/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Touhou, of course, is my favorite.

Jamestown is another recent release. It has awesome artwork, decent music (except, sadly, for the boss theme, which is recycled), and ok gameplay. It really makes me sad : this game could have become a staple for the genre, but instead it settled for being mediocre.

Been playing Shoot the Bullet as of recent.

Other than that, it's been mostly Cave shmups. DDP and Ketsui. Also, finally got DDP DOJ working on MAME. Fucking PGM encryption bullshit.

Also, I want to try out Ether Vapor and Crimzon Clover sometime. Anyone play either?

What bothers me about Cotton 2 is that it's not appropriate to kill everything onscreen. It's more of a dodger than a shooter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmfoFC8IBvc

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37450

For some reason, I just adore Cyvern. Must be the dark sci-fi theme.

Cave-chan from Hyperdimension Neptunia Mk-2.

I've been working on Fever SOS and I've gotten a bit further. I need to use bombs better, those bullets really catch me off guard.

I just got 901 million with Lei in Death Smiles 2 Arcade mode. My run was crap though, so I think I'll be able to hit 1 billion+ if everything goes according to keikaku. Anyone know if EOJ's score (~920m) is the western record? I'll be able to beat that for sure.

Game's awesome, anyway.

>>7617042
I can't play Ether Vapor, my keyboard ghosts and I haven't bothered to reset the keys.
Crimzon Clover is, however, amazing. Play it asap.


Also first Lunatic MoF 1cc today, kickin' rad. 2 down, the rest to go.
Except Fairy Wars, not gonna bother with that. And probably UFO too. eish

>>7617069
I find Byakuren to be easier than Utsuho, but maybe I'm the minority.

>>7617056
Looks like they just modified Black Heart's human form a little bit, kinda lazy.

For those who play with d-pad or stick, is there any significant benefit over keyboard? Thinking of getting one or the other.

Favorite Shmup boss music? Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jvNqxHl8_4

>>7617121
I use a stick, and I'd say it really doesn't matter. If you're good with a keyboard, use a keyboard. If you're good with an Xbox d-pad, use the Xbox d-pad. etc.

It's worth trying out different things and seeing what you personally like best though. Personally I want to buy a Seimitsu stick since I've never used one, but I've done well enough with my Sanwa so far, so whatever.

>>7617099
Byakuren is only easier than Utsuho in that you can't bombspam Utsuho away. Byakuren's harder by far. First card is either moderate or fuckshit, second non is nearly always a bomb, Magic Butterfly will rape you if you don't know the waves beforehand, Shinki can be extraordinarily difficult at times, and LFS is just plain hard. Utsuho is hard sure, but consistently so, and never ridiculous.

>>7617207
>>7617207
My new favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTPfpWrCDZ4

The entire soundtrack is fucking godlike.

I've been thinking about making my own Shump. What language should I use? Easy cross-platform is important and I also want to use OpenGL bindings. I'll probably pick between Java and C++. What should I do? I already have a prototype in Java that I made a few months ago but I'm not sure if I want to rely on JVM. What would your idea of the perfect Shump be? I want to make it.

>>7617268
Pick a respected shump developer and learn everything you possibly can about their games. Then design your game as if it were coming from that company.

That's my ideal shump from a western developer. Don't do anything stupid.

>>7617069
Congratulations, I just did the same moments ago as well. It took around 30 attemps when I realized how badly the bombs destroy the game. I just spammed my way through the late stages and didn't capture many if any late game cards. Hardly a respectable way to win, but that's what the game lets you do...
Kanako was too easy for the final boss, apart from the glorious masterpiece of game design that is VoWG.

SA and UFO still to go. The latter may take some blood, tears and hair loss

>>7617056
Cave is in too? What's next? Konami-tan? Hopefully a Kojima/Taki Fuji genderbent

I still remember when the difficulty of shumps didn't rely in the complexity of patterns or quantity of bullets on the screen, nor the size of your hitbox (because at that time you believed that the entire area of your aircraft couldn't be touched), but because of the sluggish controls, and homing bullets that were faster that your own aircraft.

Good old times before everyone started to go all "tourneyfag" on this genre.

My sister won't play this game with me anymore ;_;

>>7617305

>>Then design your game as if it were coming from that company.

That might get more people playing but I still want to be original.

I expect my design to be much different than most popular shumps. Namely, the character design, the music, and the general theme. The bullet patterns, controls, bombs, replays, forced scroll, and so on will stay similar. I am thinking that a few of my ideas may offset some people. The scoring system comes to mind. I'll have to tune it very precisely. I was also thinking about implementing a multiplayer cooperative as well as other specific game modes, such as a practice mode separate from the rest of the game. It would be something like a sandbox, allowing you to change the barrage coming at you.

Right now I'm just thinking but maybe I'll make something out of this.

>>7617207
because we're all very familiar with Touhou, have something else
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVs3Hkfb9E0#t=1m17s

>>7617442
That's why Raiden Fighters is the best. It's simple and fast paced and you can do crazy scoring tricks in it.

And it has a plane with a flamethrower.

>>7617041
Jamestown looks easy as fuck.

>>7617069
Gotcha. Thanks.

>>7617121
Roll over if you have a shitty keyboard/don't change the layout, natural feel, minor shit.

>>7617210
Seimitsu has a bit stronger engage force required than Sanwa. I like it that way.

>>7617268
I personally like experimental and odd stuff like from Treasure. But if you want to go tried and true, look at Cave.

If there's something interesting (like Type-B in DDP, WF's firing system or boss evolution, polarities, lock-ons, swords, et cetera), then I'll be willing to give it a try.

>>7617533
You don't really have to tune scoring unless you have milking zones, item/life generation, or do interesting chains.

>>7617560
it's definitely no ketsui, but it's worth it.

cybattler is my current favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBkxlfHnXU8

>>7617560
Seen judgement mode?

>>7617056
Where are her horns?

>>7617583

If I add a graze counter, I would probably make it give score, but no other special bonuses. That would seperate score runs and survival runs, making the gameplay more natural. I may also add point items to collect. Milking zones would probably depend on bombs.

>>7617268
When faced with a choice between Java and C++ always always go with C++. Especially if you want lots of bullets and speed is important.

>>7617442
I don't see why everyone lauds large hitboxes and sparse patterns as a good thing. I honestly can't imagine why this is. Can someone explain this to me?

>>7617533
Consider mixing up bombs a bit, making patterns denser but invincibility more available like in Crimzon Clover or Samidare or Kamui. I rather enjoy those games.

>>7617207
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0K4beqn-KU

Shame that they messed up Golden Disaster and especially Hibachi's music so badly in iPhone mode.

Gonna bump this out of necessity.

>>7618202
>I don't see why everyone lauds large hitboxes and sparse patterns as a good thing.

Nostalgia

Who plays the 360 shmups? We should share our gamertags so we can have more people for friend leaderboards.

>>7619167
who shmup here

GT in email

>>7619187
Forgot to put my tripcode on.

I think after I'm done with DS2 I'm going to play some more Muchi Pork. I love that game, but I really hate the excessive boss milking. If you didn't have to do that for a good score it'd probably be in my top 3 Cave games, behind Ketsui and Futari.

Apparently I missed a bunch of really awesome boss intros for that video I did, so I'm going to remake it (plus not using Windows Movie Maker this time!). Need a few more suggestions for good intros since I'm sure I've still missed a few.

>>7619167
Like the only game I bother uploading scores for is Ketsui.
I don't think it's really worth adding people just for that.

Just got 999.7 million in Death Smiles 2 Arcade.

300k away from my goal of 1 billion. Fuck my ass.

What are some faster paced shmups that I could play in MAME? In most of them I feel sluggish for some reason that might be related to input lag, and I want a faster paced game that could counteract the feeling of heaviness I feel in most games.

>>7617560
1cc'ing on the hardest difficulty is no easier than any of the touhous

>>7620560
Like Dangun Feveron?

>>7620560
Are you using shmupmame?

>>7620613

Yeah, that's the only one I can actually play without feeling slow currently, although I still can't bomb as well because of the lag. It's affecting me in Ketsui, DDP games, almost everything.

>>7620618

Yeah, it's not helping me at all. I still have that heavy feeling. I don't know why.

>>7620560
Go play Mars Matrix.

Raystorm will probably be the only game I could claim to be truly a master of.... back then at my peak... I can go from start to finish without a single life lost nor a bomb used...JUST ONE TOKEN is ALL I NEED... the patterns are so easy to memorize though they're not as pretty as Touhou but what the heck... the music is top notch... ah nostalgia... I wonder where is that particular cabinet now?... If I have the chance I'd buy that particular arcade cabinet despite it's tattered condition and display it in my guest room...

Okay, never mind, I think I fixed it now. It's still a bit slow, but I don't feel sluggish and I'm actually having fun now.

Playing Hellsinker right now, managed to get to the final boss last night. Died, but being able to get through the stage 5 boss without being raped and getting to the finale without continuing was a confidence booster.

DieFeen is the best Touhou game.

age

Got 1,024,552,463 in DS2 now. I'm almost in the top 10 overall, and I think if I can no miss the game I'll be able to get the #2 or maybe even #1 score with Lei.

DS2 is so good.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=14728

1. Stage 5 with 8 lives, no bombs.
2. Boss with 5-3/4 lives, 1 bomb.
4. Stage 6 with 3 lives, no bombs.
5. Boss with 1 life, 2 bombs.

Oh well, there's always next time.

>>7624994
Nice character choice anyway. I started hard mode with her but (shamefully) gave up and switched to ReimuA to finish up.

>>7617101

It's Idea Factory, what do you expect?

>>7624994
Funny thing is I knew exactly which game and had a good guess on the difficulty before I clicked the link.

>>7625029

Statistics for Rod Sign "Busy Rod"
ReimuA: 39/42
ReimuB: 10/10
MarisaA: 333/363
MarisaB: 170/194
SanaeA: 37/43
SanaeB: 44/49
Total: 633/701

What can I say? I like Marisa...

>>7624994
Damn it, Riz, knock it off. I was going to make a stage 6 replay with MarisaB that showed an easy way to both score and gather 4 1/3 bombs, but I can't tell if you need help or if you just need to stop playing like a dumbass. Get that 1cc already.

>>7620588
>>7617601
Judgement mode seems mostly about clouds of bullets and activating that shield at key points. I'll admit that it is very obviously takes practice and skill-set development, but it seems fairly forgiving until the bosses in the later stages.

>>7625171
streaming said clouds* rather.

I mean, there seems to be a lack of incentive towards moving through clusters.

Played some Espgaluda. I don't really know what I'm doing yet, but I managed to make it to the final form of the last boss on one of my first few credits, so I think I'll be able to 1cc it fairly soon.

I think I'll aim for a 30+ million clear for now. Or maybe I'll aim a little higher once I know how to score properly.

>>7625557
Actually I just looked at the shmups.org high score list, and 30 million seems pretty terrible. Guess I'll aim for 40+ million.

>>7625573
I've never played ESPGaluda, but aren't you supposed to herd, switch, cancel, then let it buffer, wash, rinse, repeat?

>>7625612
From the small amount I played it seemed like it was largely about memorizing how long it takes to kill big enemies so you can kakusei a millisecond before they blow up.

>>7617560
I mostly suck at shmups (cant beat ketsui stage 2 without continues), but yeah, bullets there arent very hard. But instead all ships you use are terrible, and so is the whole last stage. Most of the problems I had because I couldnt control the screen and because temple is retardedly hard for any ship that isnt gunner.
Then I launched judgement, laughed a bit at vaunt-immune bullet stream and turned it off.

They called some 1cc and nomiss achievements "final form" and "true form", does that mean there are additional bosses, or its just some pseudo-hipster joke?

>>7625623
You usually wanna do it a bit beforehand, actually. Bullets move more slowly so more stay on the screen, and it doesn't take all that many gems to stay in the mode. Most of the gem cost comes from killing enemies and coming out of it.

I'm not too big on shmups, but i'm currently playing Jade Penetrate and loving the fast game pace. Is there anymore like it?

Toaplan as fuck.

>>7624994
>http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=14728
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=13165

>>7618202
>I don't see why everyone lauds large hitboxes and sparse patterns as a good thing. I honestly can't imagine why this is. Can someone explain this to me?

When I think of shoot 'em ups, I think of shooting them all up, not dodging them all. Most games nowadays are dodge 'em alls that have you so focused on dodgin' 'em that you can't enjoy shootin' 'em.

>>7627083
You can always go buy Dodonpachi Daioujou or Ketsui and play with No Bullet mode on.

>>7627894
The shooting would still be boring like that. Compare that to Covered Core or something where you actually have to get in position to shoot him, that's way better.

>>7625122
>>7626923

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=14740

>>7628385

>>7628385
I know that feel. Made worse by having about 5 lives in reserve at the start of the fight. Fucking UFO.

Been attempting to 1cc a few of the games on Hard. Is it just me, or is there a larger than normal gap in difficulty between Normal and Hard for IN. Keine unreasonably kicks my ass, and I'm really not looking forward to Kaguya...

>>7628433

I don't have much experience with IN. I just can't get into it, maybe I will later on. I beat it once on normal after 2-3 tries and that was it. Once I beat UFO, I'm probably going to go for a few hard 1cc's in the other ones. I'll probably check out IN in that time.

FUCKING COME OUT ALREADY

>>7628670
Now I'm not singling you out or talking about you in particular, but I fucking hate how popular Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga are. Now, is Ikaruga an excellent game? Absolutely. But I really hate how western fans who don't even play shmups worship the fucking game. It's a great fucking game, but I bet 95% of them don't even play it right, yet they go on to say that it's a masterpiece and genre-defining and easily the best game in its genre blah blah blah. I fucking hate these people.

Radiant Silvergun sucks though lol

>>7628677
>Ikaruga
>Awesome
>Radiant Silvergun
>Sucks
The fuck? You got that shit backwards.

>>7628670 here

I like both Ikaruga and Radiant Silvergun.

>>7628677
If it weren't for Ikaruga on the Dreamcast, I probably wouldn't have gotten into Touhou, and later, the Cave library.

.

bmp

>>7629289
This and Raiden... also RayStorm helped.

>>7628677
every shmup is a ikaruga clone
this is fact.

>>7633709
Ikaruga invented shumps after all.

.

>>7628677
Ikaruga is garbage. Babby's first shmup

What if, we made a scoring system that doesn't make it impossible to get barely any points if you make one tiny mistake?

>>7636741
FUCKING CASUAL, GO PLAY AN RPG YOU LOSER

>>7636741

What if we played a game for more than 5 hours before blaming the scoring system for our low scores.

>>7636752
>I can't 1cc a shmup on easy but I'll act like a faggot here anyway

>>7636760
Mad because he got told.

>>7636741
I already said Raiden Fighters was the best, you don't need to try and convince me again.

Pink Sweets is fucking infuriating.

KUYASHII

>>7637068
But he was talking about Ketsui.

>>7637944
Ketsui isn't that harsh on mistakes. You lose a few chips and a bit from your end of level bonus if you bomb, and you can potentially lose a lot from your multiplier if you die, but it's nothing too bad. It's a hell of a lot more generous than a lot of games.

>>7638003
Yeah, that's why I said he was talking about it when he said to make a game that's forgiving of mistakes.

It's also incredibly fun, to boot.

>>7638107
Oh, I get it now.

I don't know if I like RF or Ketsui more.

I'll have to think on this and then possibly tell you your opinions are wrong.

>>7638003
The TLB requirements are obnoxious to make up for that, though.

I played DoDonPachi for the first time just now, and there are a couple things bothering me.

Focused and unfocused movement, what is the proper way to move around in the game? I found out that I can focus by pressing the Z button and unfocus by tapping it, but it just feels a bit weird. Is it the correct way to do it?

2-LOOPs, ALL and all this kind of stuff, what does it mean? I'm guessing it's clearing something without using all lives? Need explaining.

How many stages are there? Are there different difficulties? Also if anyone has some tips for a beginner in this game, please tell me. I'm fairly experienced in Touhou though, so I already know basic gameplay stuff.

>>7638465
Gunbird is the shit, but woefully short.... I have yet to play the sequel though, to my everlasting shame.

>>7640664
You can go into service mode - F2 on MAME I think, and change difficulty, enable the C button as rapid fire, then set the Shift key as A, z key as C and just hold shift for focusing, z for shooting and and x for bombing, just like touhou.
Score runs should be done on FACTORY settings, which are sort of the official default settings of the game, different than the settings mame starts at for the first time. Weird to explain, just highlight the factory settings option and press fire.

2nd loop basically means more and faster bullets, it's horribly unfair on purpose and the devs don't even care if it's humanly possible to beat the game that way.

ALL probably means you beat the true last boss which appear after meeting certain conditions such as no continues, few bombs, finding all the hidden bees, etc, and beating both loops? Not sure either.

>>7640664
If you're using certain versions of MAME you could set up an autofire key for regular shots, but if you're not you'll have to stick with tapping for shot and holding for laser. You get used to it pretty quick though.
1-all means you cleared the first loop.
2-all means you did both loops.
You get into the second loop by completing the first loop and either dying less than 3 times, getting a large enough chain (the exact number depends on your ship type), getting 50 million points, or getting all the bees in at least four levels. It's a repeat of the first six levels except much harder, and with a special boss at the end.
>>7640718
DDP doesn't have an autofire option, you gotta wait until DOJ or Ketsui for that.

>>7640745
I'm pretty sure there's a toggle in service mode for rapid fire in DDP, using button 3.

>>7640745
>DDP doesn't have an autofire option, you gotta wait until DOJ or Ketsui for that.
No it does, it just not enabled by default.

>>7640664
I just played that for the first time a few days ago also.
It seems like bombs are a lot less forgiving than in most touhou games. Most of the time I try to bomb before I get hit, I just end up getting hit.
I'm pretty bad at all shmups, though.

>>7640788
Oh. So there is.

I feel pretty dumb now.

>>7640800
You're allowed to bomb after you've been hit in Touhous. DDP/most other shooters won't let you, so yeah, they're harsher. DDP gives you six bombs per life after you've died a few times though so it's still pretty generous.

>>7640788
I can't find this "service mode". I'm using Shmupmame 2.2, and pressing TAB it says that service mode is available on pressing F2 but for me it does nothing. Also I can't change the Rank. Is there an objective in this game, similar to for example, a 1CC normal mode in Touhou?

And again, how many stages are there?

>>7640828
Yeah, I have trouble using all my bombs even in touhou where it lets you deathbomb.
DDP was just coin after coin of losing without even using a single bomb.
I guess I need to change my bomb habits. Even when I tell myself "Just bomb like crazy like you don't give a shit", I still don't use all the bombs.

>>7640856
Try holding f2 for a while, I have to do that. You may as well just leave the rank at the default, it doesn't change much, and it means you can compare your scores with people or whatever. And yeah, go for a 1cc if you want, that's kinda the default goal for most people I think. Once that's done you can work on looping/getting a good score, though scoring in DDP kinda sucks.
And six stages, plus those six stages again but a lot harder if you loop it. But you probably won't be looping it for a while though, so just six stages for now.

>>7640664
>Also if anyone has some tips for a beginner in this game, please tell me.
The main thing to consider is that the vast majority of bullets in the game are targeted in some way, at least during the stages. And a lot of the time those that aren't, like the ships that send out those little triangle bullets, you can get rid of easily by killing the large ships at the right times to cancel bullets.

So basically just keep in mind that you will be doing a fairly large amount of streaming in comparison to Touhou, and it's pretty wide streaming too. Stage 5 is an especially large example of this, the whole middle section is basically streaming large randomized targeted clumps of bullets: the game the section the motion picture.

Basically just play it for a while until you get used to it, maybe watch a replay or two. It's not any harder to 1cc than the average Touhou lunatic.
Now, 2-all'ing it...

>>7640886
Thanks, it worked.

I also got the "touhou settings" working now. The only problem I have, is that when I shoot unfocused, it feels like the game is lagging. So when I focus, the game speeds up and becomes more difficult. Is this normal?

>>7641023
That doesn't sound right, no. It's probably just your imagination, but if you hit f11 you can see the speed the game's running at and make sure it's 100%.

>>7641032
Well then, is the game supposed to slow when there are a lot of bullets on the screen? Because it feels like that to me, even though it says 100%.

>>7641074
Yes, it does that. Shouldn't have anything to do with what you're firing, but the PCBs that originally ran the game did have slowdown when a bunch of bullets got on the screen, notably in stages 5 and 6. MAME is emulating this slowdown, and a good thing too since you'd get destroyed even harder without it.

Haven't followed this for a while, but can Ketsui run perfectly on MAME yet ? And any other news on Demul ?

>>7641135
Ketsui is perfect in MAME.

Well, the first loop is anyway. I'm not experienced enough with the second loop to comment, but I haven't seen any complaints.

>>7641032
It's definitely not just my imagination. If I'm using focus, there is absolutely no slow in the game, unlike unfocused it plays as you said, slowing when there are bullets. So it kind of feels like cheating to unfocus... The game is running on 100% either way.

Also, how do I save states in DoDonPachi? MAME says I can load a save state but I don't know how to save one.

>>7641440
Your own bullets slow down the game too, but your laser does not.

>>7641462
To answer you better, there isn't much slowdown in the game just from enemy bullets. A few parts where you get spammed to hell will slow down a lot. But most of the time you need to be using your shot (unfocused, as you say) to get a big effect.

Has anyone here faught Evacaneer DOOM in DDP DFK BL?

>>7641490
So on difficult patterns you're just supposed to unfocus the whole time and focus whenever you feel safe to do damage? At least I think focused shot does more damage, is that correct?

bump

>>7641507
Most people rarely fight TLBs. All those superplays you've seen, those are people playing the best they've pretty much have ever done in their lives.

>>7641601
For me, focus firing for (mini)bosses and times I need to tap dodge. If there's a lot of fast bullet patterns, stay unfocused. It also depends on the game.

Ketsui, you want to get some 5s and then just laser so you can get some awesome scores.

DDP, it depends on the ship you choose, the style you like to play, and the game you're playing. Type-C shot, you just want to shoot and take quick breaks so you get a really good combo without obliterating the screen.

What are the conditions for DOOM in DFK BL? Just a 1cc, right? I don't think reaching him is that hard - the Ketsui Arrange is easier to clear than Ketsui's first loop, so it shouldn't take more than 20 hours of practice or so.

>>7641507
Technically he's called HIVAC in Ketsuipachi, but unfortunately the only Cave TLBs I've faced are Golden Disaster and Hibachi in lolResurrection.

GOD DAMN RIZ, FINALLY.

Good job. Have fun with Lunatic.

>>7644269
Wait.

>My first hard 1cc of any Touhou game, ever.
Why, why would you choose UFO for this.

>Next goal: Beat every game on hard with every shot type.
Shouldn't be any problem for you.

>>7644269
>>7644275

Ahahahahaha.

I tried EoSD after not playing for months and I got to Remilia's last spell on hard. I also played it on lunatic and almost beat Patchy. That was after not playing for months so I guess that I have a good shot at it if I practice a little.

I'm going to do a few hard runs on the older Touhous and then go back to UFO. I actually got to Byakuren's last spell quite a few times with ReimuB and MarisaA/B. It's ReimuA and SanaeA that I'm having problems with.

>>Why, why would you choose UFO for this.
It's my favorite game. I had my first Easy and Normal 1cc on it as well as my first Hard. Maybe it will be my first Lunatic as well.
>>Shouldn't be any problem for you.
I still barely beat SA on easy. It's the only game I haven't yet done in normal. SA is a nightmare for me. It doesn't even have my precious Master Spark!