/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>7536707

ZUN speaking at a convention while heavily intoxicated?

>>7536712
>ZUN Speaking
Would do, no need to slap redundancies on the end of your sentence.

For all of his unique skill, talent and hard work, ZUN is less famous and respected than that /b/tard, moot.

How does that make you feel?

>>7536742
Feels good, he'll hopefully stick to doing things right and not try to be a hipster internet celeb.

Anyone? It was a series of videos on youtube showing what Touhou songs were based on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-vpHOfWiE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChjemnUI4A&feature=related

"based on" is a funny way to say that the songs happen to sound familiar. Actual references (if they are not a coincidence as well)?
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_influences

Fun fact, there is a limit to human creativity.

Even more fun fact, there is an exceptionally smaller limit to the number of unique combinations of instruments before the human brain cannot distinguish between the differences.

Even shorter than that, lyrical composition

And the very last, human characteristics.
Having unnatural hair color and eye color was a great start for expanding on this, but theres only so many distinguishable colors.

Either shit is going to get really trippy soon with people trying to be as original as possible and abandoning all common themes, or we're gonna have a bit of overlap. Get used to it.

>>7539294
An easy example of this, if you know anything of (shitty) popular music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

>>7539305
>>7539294
We all know what happens when people try way too hard to be original.

>>7539305
If you know anything about music then you'd realize that most of those songs don't have the same chords at all, they're just in or near the key of C.

Composers listen to music.

When they are composing, combinations of notes and sounds are swirling in their conscious and unconscious mind, you want a composer to block out all of the past musical phrases and candences they've heard while writing a song?

To have a list of everything they've heard next to them to make sure nothing sounds too similar?

This is simply how music is made. To be upset at this is to reveal fundamental ignorance of reality.

Whether this deliberate sampling however, is unprovable, especially with how much of an alcoholic ZUN is.

However, from a pragmatic point of view, consider this, those melodies from old Enka songs or game soundtracks would hardly be listened to by anyone, and in fact don't even sound that promising or noticeable, but once those notes (no matter how the similarities ended up in both songs) are revealed in their Touhou iterations, they become heart-stirring reknowned beloved musical compositions bringing joy to millions.

Bach, Beethoven and other renowned composers similarly exchanged sounds with their contemporaries. They heard performances from rivals or lesser musicians, or while attending on monarchs or riding in their wagons through busy towns passing by starving musicians on the side of the street performing for their daily bread, or from a chance melody they heard from their own children. Does that make any of their well-known beloved songs suspect, less meritorious, or less enjoyable?

Again, this is simply how music is created. Would you like to enjoy great melodies? Or to pick at every little thing that displeases your sensibilities? If you're the kind of person who's keen on the latter activity, you'll find life to be unbearable.

I for one love Touhou music, no matter to what degree ZUN is playing the part of a musical Dr. Frankenstein.

>>7539594

>I for one

Do you like men?

>>7539345

What exactly am I looking at here?
Think I see a "fox" somewhere in there, or maybe two. And maybe a "wolf" or, again, maybe two.

You can't create a infinite amount of songs. Especially with this kind of song.

>>7539612
No, I'm not one of those flaming faggots who hates Touhou and Saten and other cute girls. Those queers should march on off to /y/ permanently, they'd be much happier there and /jp/ would be far better without such an unproductive hostile presence.

Is anybody actually criticizing ZUN for this? OP was just asking for the video, probably more out of interest than malice.

>>7539633
It's not directed at OP directly, but certainly the Touhou-hating faggots will be piling up to point and sneer like little bitches for no good reason as they always do.

Since between gorging on cock at /y/ they still find time to shit up /jp/ with their useless whining, perhaps a more reasoned approach may do the trick.

Because unfortunately, reason-inducing punches cannot be thrown across the intertubes, and the people's champions of /jp/ seem benevolently tolerate of the faggots constant hateful flaming of cute girls.

Pic related, it's Touhou Saten. Umad, faggots?

>>7539662
>Umad, faggots?
Yeah, 'cause that'll get people to take you seriously.

Referencing and sampling don't need any apology.

>>7539676
I don't seriously expect these faggots to GTFO. I'm simply stating they should do so. Anyone who hates cute girls enough to flame them for months on end or longer on a BBS is declaring unpromising irrational tendencies towards which any actual expectation of a productive resolution would be misdirected.

Wow. He more or less copied some of the music nearly EXACTLY.

Shame on ZUN.

>>7539699

I think you could make a case for some songs, but some others are really stretching it I'd say. The Satori Maiden comparison is absolutely hilarious though.

>>7539679

>>7539633
>>7539699
hahaha

>>7539707

Watch the video. The shit is EXACTLY the fucking same. Ridiculous.

Zun also reuses parts from his PC-98 game music in the later games.

>>7539710
I don't see why you are making a big deal out of it.

Holy shit the first one blew my mind.

Game developers copy main-stream music to create video game soundtracks?

STOP THE PRESSES!

>>7539733

There's copying/sampling/references, and then there's exactly-the-fucking-same.

Apparently ZUN is the latter. My japanese is poor, so I hope I'm making a mistake and the actual touhou songs were playing in the video and not the source music.

>>7539763
>there's exactly-the-fucking-same
You don't know what sampling is at all beyond a google/wikipedia definition, do you.

Because those composers whose songs get 'copied' by ZUN are totally gonna sue him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wpW6zpqHY#t=00m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHUcTe2a7vM#t=00m23s
ZUN, I am disappoint.

>>7539792
faggot detected

>>7539780

>implying it's okay to steal

>>7539780
>>7539812

Both of your don't know shit about music. Certain notes sound good next to eachother because of science. A lot of the "stolen" music is just arpeggios, which aren't even oringinal to anyone. They are basic musical constructs.

Could ZUN possibly be sued for this? Not saying it wouldn't be a stupid idea on the part of the copyright holders, I'm just asking if it's possible.

>>7539820
No. It's not possible at all since there is no proof. There are only so many combinations for music. It's very limited in the huge scheme of things.

>>7539792
They sound nothing a like. Maybe it could be that they are on the same scale, but aside from that no. Nice try.

>>7539818
>>7539820

>hasn't watched the video

If I copy and pasted flandre's_theme.mp3 and called it my own song I would be ZUN. There's more or less no difference in the shit in copied from.

I'm going to do that. None of you can complain because "Certain notes sound good next to eachother because of science. A lot of the "stolen" music is just arpeggios, which aren't even oringinal to anyone. They are basic musical constructs."

>flawless logic

>>7539834

typo

in the shit he copied from*

>>7539834
I have to admit that some of them were pretty much the same, but it can't be helped. Did you know that people have twins that are not blood related? Shit happens. Your non blood related twin can look more like you than your brother or sister.

Okay, say it wasn't ZUN, but Nintendo or Capcom who made the Touhou series. Are you saying the lawsuits wouldn't rain on top of them like a shitstorm spraying poop?

>>7539834
shitty troll is shitty

>>7539834
Yeah, except that's not at all how it worked.

>>7539842
They wouldn't.

>>7539843

Mad kid is mad. Nobody is trolling. Watch the video.

>>7539842
>>>/b/

>>7539848
That wasn't Flandre's theme, that was Rumia's I think, I haven't played EoSD in a while. That just the cover for the game.

>>7539842
It happens all the time, that big corporations will settle out-of-court, or intimidate those whose ideas they've stolen with threats of legal fees, "our lawyers and thugs will rape you reputation, career, and family alive", etc.

But a large number of those cases are advised by the plaintiff's lawyers to be untenable, as in "we couldn't win even if tried, because of a combination of legal provisions and legal precedent". Thus the case is not pursued, this is what would happen here, if any person or party tried to sue ZUN.

>zun is exposed to be a fraud
>immense butthurt ensues from 2 samefags

>>7539848
Indeed nobody is trolling. Because your sad attempt does not even graze the bottom of what could be considered successful trolling. Lurk moar.

>>7539862
cutegirl-hating fag-in-denial/thecloset calling others fags
oh irony

>>7539869
>You didn't troll me, that's why I replied.

Just so you know, it doesn't work that way.

>>7539862
>>zun is exposed to be a fraud
2009 called, they want their hurtmad back.

Besides, calling him a fraud because of this is exactly the same as calling him a fraud because his games rip off DoDonPachi. Now please, take it easy and stop being such a shitty reactionary.

>>7539594
>>7539294
wow I have never seen so much butthurt in this board

>>7539885
>his games rip off DoDonPachi

Space Invaders, you mean.

>>7539891
Not really, no. Bullet hell is a distinct subgenre.

>>7539881
Only disappoint at your shittiness, that's all. It's considerate of me to point out where you need improvement.

Trolls aim for RAAGE, not meh.

inb4 all works of art are derivative of caveman paintings and banging sticks together

billion dollar royalites are owed across the board

Guess what fags, Shooters were never original, they are a genre that by it's nature is the same game every time with only cosmetic changes. Besides more people like Touhou for it's waifus than it's gameplay.

>>7539842
ITT: People who don't know shit about music trying to troll and looking like idiots.

could someone just post a link to the videos? if it makes you feel butthurt then just hide the thread, jesus christ

Yet Wiz Kalifa rips off Mitsuda (Chrono Trigger Composer) and it's called music by dumbshits?

Sure Zun may have taken some parts of other songs and integrated them into his own, but at least he puts some effort into it.

Satori Maiden however may be justified slightly in a sense given the character it belongs to. In other words, ZUN was trying to mind screw the one who's playing by giving the illusion that Satori was actually reading our own memories beyond the computer screen.

>>7539908
Are you blind. No, you are just another shitty troll.

ITT: People who don't know shit about music trying to troll and sounding like idiots.

>>7539904
>a genre that by it's nature is the same game every time with only cosmetic changes
ITT: People sounding like idiots/general

>>7539904
Reimu is a rip-off.

>>7539899
also, these billion dollar royalties are owed to the estate of aforementioned cavemen, which happens to be.... let's see.... yup, everybody. Communism time!

>>7539922
And that, kids, is why filesharing should always be legal.

ITT: butthurt

Honestly i've never seen such a perfect copy of something in my entire life.

>>7539982
>Is actually the one getting mad.

Its ok to cry.

>>7539982
> OH BOY I CAN RECOGNIZE A PHRASE OF MUSICS, I'M SO SPECIAL

>>7539992
>>7539988

>ZUN copy and pastes someones song and calls it his own
>his autistic defense team cries

>>7540092
Finally someone's not a blatant fag is criticizing ZUN ITT. Unless that Dokruo is a futa...

Nothing more embarrassing than ZUN stealing from Mcroll

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