/jp/ - Otaku Culture

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/26/the-perils-of-introspection/

It's better if we never find out.

>>7495816
author of that website is a dumbass

Because people like the idea of an illusionary world full of little girls who shoot bright coloured orbs at each other.

>>7495820
I don't know, I like it. Why do you think so?

Because the right people had enough love for it to create good derivative works in the first place.

I obviously can't speak for others, but the setting and plots appeal to me more than the games themselves. I suppose the fantasy aspect speaks to that side of me which yearns for the childhood I so carelessly wasted.

what's the best way to learn more about touhou

I like the character designs but have no idea who the hell they are

>>7495816
>It calls into question the entire industry of critical analysis of art – video games, music, film, poetry, literature – all of it.

He's right. He really isn't so smart. Has he even READ any critical analysis of literature? Because rarely does any of it have to do with X is better than Y. It's far more to do with interpretation and meaning, historical and social context, author's intent.

He should stop sounding like a pretentious faggot and spit out what he really means, which is that commercial reviews of entertainment products are not always reliable, an assertion which can rely on a far stronger supposition than the one he starts out with.

>>7495877
Well, he does make a good point, though.

>>7495839
That article alone shows why he's a dumbass. He thinks that no one can explain why a particular photo or book is superior to another one, he thinks that all they can do is have a baseless preference. But see heres the thing: all he has to do is ask someone with good taste in photos or books why one is superior to another, i admit it's not exactly easy to find such a person...oh wait look, someone with a goddamn website dedicated to good taste. http://www.artrenewal.org/

More importantly, even without extremely developed taste, you know exactly why you prefer one piece of art to another, however you only know on a subconscious level. This isn't saying that you don't REALLY know why you like it, you're simply far too inexperienced to put it into words. Far too...casual.
Also he made that book reviewer at the end look like a goddamn dumbass, unless that passage he pasted was the full review, in which case he IS a dumbass. That paragraph is absolutely worthless without paragraphs supporting the points made, and therefore worthless to the readers who read his page without having first read the goddamned review, which I don't even see a link to.
Also he seems fucking hellbent on pretending that everyone should have the same goddamn taste if there are truly rules governing what makes one thing better than another. As if everyone were actually of equal intelligence, resulting in them having equal standards.
This whole damn site is just fucking offensive.

Also I admit that I skimmed through this article, but thats only because I read it in the past, disliked it, and had no intention of ever reading it again.
Also If i hadn't skimmed it wouldve taken a lot more typing before I was satisfied.

>>7495877

>That’s the thing. Catharsis will make you feel good, but it’s an emotional hamster wheel. The emotion which led you to catharsis will still be there afterward, and if it made you feel good, you’ll seek it out again in the future.

Video games, horror movies, romance novels – all fun, but no psychologist would prescribe these outlets as a cure for anger or fear or loneliness.

Flailing in a mosh pit or screaming along to death metal doesn’t release your demons, it prolongs your angst.

I don't know, this man seems pretty on the ball.

>>7495937
Then I suggest you read it through.

Also, define "good taste". That's right, you can't.

>>7495960
Justice Potter Steward: "I know it when I see it."

>>7495966
Yeah, well, you just proved that blogger's point. I guess you could say you are not so smart.

>>7495956
Don't be so foolish, there is a goddamn reason why it's a hamster wheel. You have to continually seek improvement in your life, you have to make yourself constantly happy. How the fuck do you think survival works? Would it be good if you killed one cow and then just said "fuck it, this cow is all I need" shit no, you need 40 cows. Do not forget for one goddamned second, your body cares primarily about survival, it says "Now suffer!" and you MUST SUFFER, so that you'll be MOTIVATED to work hard enough to end your suffering. This is how a man becomes strong, this is what makes happiness valuable, this is how you mature, constant suffering. Life would be total shit if it wasn't a hamster wheel.

>>7495972
Not the person you were talking to. I don't give a shit one way or the other.

A lot of people seem to misunderstand this man's point.

He is specifically challenging much of Western belief qua: humans as rational actors who are in charge of their actions. A quick review of his website and the articles within will reveal that human thinking is extremely emotional, and that reason plays second fiddle most of the time. Ideally one would turn to proper psychological journals and not try to interpret it through the lens of popular culture, but one imagines that most of you do not have ready access to psychology journals / literature.

As for the appeal of this videogame, I can only guess that it appeals emotionally to some people: lots of women and no men to fear for competition (or anything else, for that matter) means that sexual appeal to poorly-socialized shut-ins is quite high. It has nothing to do with any quality the games may have.

Little girls, people love little girls.

>>7495982
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06/10/the-backfire-effect/

I know.

The funny thing about this blog is that is has an appropriate article for every retort. It's almost painful.

>>7495990
So do conspiracy theorists, but that doesn't mean that what they have to say is useful. His site seems like an interesting collection of observations, but nothing I haven't seen elsewhere in a variety of places.

Anyway, I'm immune to the backfire effect since I'm a rational, non-retarded person. He probably has an article for that, too. Something about how everybody believes themselves to be immune to all logical fallacies.

>>7495960
Preferences shaped by years of searching for "the best" of whatever you're passionate about. The only constant in good taste is that the "good" is always extremely complex. Extremely deep if you want to say it that way.
>>7495972
That wasn't me dumbass. Also he was correct. You don't even need to be able to define it to have it. You're capable of having it subconsciously long before you can explain it.

>>7496001

Yes indeedy he does:

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/05/11/the-dunning-kruger-effect/

>>7496005
Yeah, except unlike those other retards, I'm actually right.

I wrote an article (which nobody and their dog read) about it a while back.

>>7496001
Hmm, yep, looks like he does.

Well, anyway, it doesn't have to be unique in the world, like you said, he can't be the only one making all these observations. Nevertheless, it's an interesting piece of work, especially because it can make almost everyone buttmad as hell. Just look at all the people in this thread clinging to their ego. Can't really blame them, that's how we all work.

>>7496010

Really hoping this post is ironic.

Also these articles should be shown to those people who look to delusions such as 'waifus': they think they are ameliorating a problem, but really they are just digging themselves deeper. This is why I am so insistent that these people leave their homes and get help: they are not able to accurately assess their emotional wellbeing and the efficacy of their solutions.

Please, if you are one of these people, swallow your 'pride' and delusions and seek help.

>>7496029
>Really hoping this post is ironic.
Nope. I'm the real deal here.

And no, I'm not one of 'these people.'

And none of your articles have anything to do with waifus anyway.

>>7495990
I've got a retort for this too. Of course they will get stronger if the argument isn't challenging, if its, again, casual. Especially if neither of the arguers are even supporting their points, you know, like that review he quoted without quoting the fucking support?
I didnt even skim that pile of shit.
>>7496005
HOW DARE HE USE FUCKING STREET FIGHTER AS AN EXAMPLE, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T JUDGE YOUR GODDAMN SKILL LEVEL IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO A TOURNAMENT AND DON'T KNOW WHO THE BEST PLAYERS ARE!
Holy fuck, I'd like to see him say "It turns out, you are not so smart. All this time, you thought you were among the best of the best, but you were really just an amateur." To fucking gootecks, you think that fucker doesn't know where he stands?

Fuck this, why am I here? I'm leaving. I forfeit. I'mma go play touhou. I mad.

>>7496041
The Dunning-Kruger effect is real and well-documented, though. Don't let a retarded analogy throw you off from the real thing.

>>7496041
>Especially if neither of the arguers are even supporting their points
Just like you right now, who just spouts half-assed bullshit without actually supporting his view. Except, the blogger actually supports his views properly. You're just too ego-mad to see them. Thanks for proving his very point once again.
Unless you were being ironic the whole time, in which case, touche

>>7496036

Look for the article regarding catharsis. This is basically what a waifu is: catharsis for loneliness.

Now note that catharsis DOES NOT WORK.

Thank you.

>>7496041

I'm sorry that your sense of a reasoning self is so weak it can easily be brought to rage by simply highlighting the fact. No really, I am. I hope you accept that you (like me and everyone else) are not really a superman of reason, but rather a being who has feelings rooted deeply in emotion and acts and thinks based upon these emotions.

>>7496064
>This is basically what a waifu is: catharsis for loneliness.
D- for effort, try again.

>>7496066

I'm sorry that you do not like my conclusion. Perhaps you are upset by it? In that case, I would suggest 'cooling off' before replying with your own theory on what a 'waifu' is and what need it is employed to satisfy.

>>7496074
Your premise blows, so your conclusion will necessarily be so much garbage.

>>7496080

I'm sorry, are you planning to respond to me, or are you just going to storm off in a huff?

>>7496085
I responded to you. Your statement was inaccurate. You claimed that I objected to your statement because I didn't like your conclusion, whereas it was your premise that I quoted which was inaccurate, for which you have provided no support.

>>7496064
You dumb fuck. Of COURSE my feelings are rooted in emotion. Emotion is what convinces me that this motherfucker is a dumbass. Emotion is what convinces me to notice that he's spouting bullshit, and research counter arguments. Emotion is what convinces me that one game is better than another. If you follow your emotions, and they DON'T lead you to awesome places, then it's only a degradation of instinct that causes your failure, it is the proof that you are a lower man than I. In being the most complex animal man is capable of being the very greatest or the very worst. My reason is GREATER than yours because my emotions are too. Guess what side you fall on if you DON'T think that your emotions are deeper than your thoughts.


Really leaving now

>>7496089
>My reason is GREATER than yours because my emotions are too.

You went full id, man. Never go full id.

>>7496089

That's some very cute ego-boosting you've got there. Just remember that you are not the sole decider of your thoughts, and that you are incredibly easy to influence, just like me.

>>7496088

Perhaps you would like to tell me then what my premise was, how it 'blew', and then present a counterargument, rather than simply trying to satiate your ego?

>>7496096
Premise: A waifu is a catharsis for loneliness.
Rebuttal: That makes no fucking sense, as a waifu has nothing to do with venting, cleansing, or purging.

>>7496101
>as a waifu has nothing to do with venting, cleansing, or purging.
Why not?

>>7496102
A waifu has as much to do with purging as my left testicle. You made the assertion, you support it.

>>7496101

What use does a waifu have, then? It's no good to simply say 'no' without your own argument. Must I coach you through this entire process?

it's times like this I don't regret making this image
take it easy, please?

>>7496106
Imaginary companionship.

No, I don't. If you tell me that philosophy is a crate of chestnuts I can tell you to fuck off without knowing precisely what philosophy is.

>>7496110

>Imaginary companionship.

So, to escape and relieve loneliness, then. I see we agree.

>>7496094
Why the fucking hell not? Fuck freud.
>>7496096
"My instincts don't tell me to argue against my beliefs in order to ensure that my beliefs are the best that I can possibly have. Therefore I'm sure you haven't spent a large amount of time arguing with yourself either."
Oh wait...yes I have.
I'm a brick fucking wall when it comes to influence, at least, I am NOW. Maybe back when I was 15 you could've gotten me with that shit.

>>7496105
I'm no the guy who made the assertion. But ok.

Simply put, a waifu is to your sexual instincts what a punching bag is to your aggression. I don't necessarily agree with that guy's statement, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

>>7496118

You are just making the author's case (and my case, too, as I hold with him) stronger.

>>7496117
Yes, a waifu is a way to relieve loneliness, as real life three dimensional entirely tangible autonomous friends are also methods of loneliness relief.

The point that the connection between catharsis and "loneliness relief" is nebulous at best notwithstanding.

>>7496109
it's also times like this I wish people listened when I try to break up their meaningless quarreling
but no, it can't be so
oh how bothersome

>>7496118
Because it turns you into an unreasonable sub-human. Like you are now.

Oh, you're also mad as hell.

>>7496119
It's possible to have a waifu without sex coming into any part of it.

>>7496125
>U MAD
I don't know who you are or what side you're on, but you're a shitposter that needs to get the fuck out of /jp/.

Having Reisen as my waifu helps me take it easy. Therefore, having a waifu is helping me achieve my life goals.

>>7496119
You've made the mistake of assuming anger is a bad thing.
>>7496125
Subhuman? How foolish, I'm more human than you could ever possibly be. What the hell is the "id-ridden" child IF NOT EXTREMELY HUMAN? A man is human because of his body, and his body immediately wants him to be this way. To go against your instincts is to stagnate. You don't avoid happiness because you think it's dangerous, you chase that shit down until it becomes boring, then find something better.
Also how the fucking hell is being angry a bad thing? Please explain this shit to me. What is it symptomatic of other than passion? What effects can it have other than to motivate?

>>7496119
It's possible to have a waifu without sex coming into any part of it.

>>7496125
>U MAD
Go away.

>>7496127

As I said before, this is not the case: anything that goes against this, though, is discarded by your mind. Your 'waifu' (a totally fictional character who cannot and will not ever exist) is a force pushing you further into misery and loneliness. Meet real women and try to hit it off. That way you ought to emerge from your shell and you will soon realize you no longer need this 'Reisen'. I also remember you talking about owning a body pillow. Perhaps at the end of this process you will disposes of it (possibly by burning, which carries a lot of symbolic connotations) and move on with your life.

>>7496133
I'm pretty sure that he knows whether he's miserable better than you know. In fact, I'm fairly confident that if you subjected him to any number of psychological battery tests designed to diagnose depression, he would probably pass wit flying colors.

>>7495937
>>7495877
You guys missed the point.

>>7496134

That may be, but happiness based on a delusion is not a good thing: if it is, then you have no grounds to contest people who hold that they are the incarnations of anime characters upon this 'plane of existence' or that that they really are anthropomorphic animals within human bodies.

So really, if we accept your definition, you have simply provided any number of delusions (and, at the very least, things you yourself would consider delusional) an excuse to avoid seeking help.

>>7495876

Since this thread turned into a huge dick waving contest and no one answer my question I'll try again

what's the best way to learn more about touhou

I like the character designs but have no idea who the hell they are

>>7496144

I would suggest avoiding it. As you have seen in this thread, people who get into touhou tend to hold a number of delusions and are generally very unhappy people. I would suggest instead that you grow interested in a sport or other outdoor activity, and use this to keep in shape and develop a strong social network.

>>7496143
>That may be, but happiness based on a delusion is not a good thing.
Well, according to you it's a problem, according to PRINNY it's not a problem, and seeing as how it's PRINNY's life I'm probably going to default to his point of view when it comes to how to live his life.

>>7496144
Play the games. Visit en.touhouwiki.net. Listen to the music arranges. Read the comics. Play the games.

>>7496144
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense

Dig through that, keep going deeper in links, play the games. They can all be found off that site or in >>>/rs/.

>>7496143
He does have a reason to contest them
HIS INSTINCTS
If they are refined they tell him when bullshit is bullshit, he simply doesn't NEED to worry about the WHY although he certainly will.
See...heres the problem with your idea. Not all delusions are equal.
>>7496144
The best way to learn IS TO PLAY THE GAMES.
Also read the wiki...i guess.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Touhou_Wiki

Sorry to spout a meme, but:

Disregard sanity, acquire happiness.

>>7496144
Poor OP. To answer both questions:
1) What makes touhou so popular? The fact that it has something good for everyone. I love touhou because of the music, a friend of mine loves it because of the hard-as-fuck gameplay, some guys love it because of its bottomless supply of lolis. That makes it easy for a lot of relatively good derivative material to appear combining two or more of those traits.
2) Where can I learn more about it? I suggest playing the games. When you ragequit, start playing the fighters, and when you're bored of fighting go back to the shooters. You'll start getting more familiar with the characters. When you like a particular character, check it out in Touhou Wiki (the one the other anon linked to) and in no time you'll know every touhou by name, themesong and spellcards.

>>7496162

>He does have a reason to contest them
HIS INSTINCTS
If they are refined they tell him when bullshit is bullshit, he simply doesn't NEED to worry about the WHY although he certainly will.
See...heres the problem with your idea. Not all delusions are equal.

This excerpt makes absolutely no sense and no reason can be found within it. Do you want to wind up and have a second shot, ace? Perhaps care to explain how some delusions are 'better' than others, and maybe even provide a hierarchy? Or is this simply ego-defense when you realize that your actions and those of a 'furry' are simply a matter of switching a noun or two?

Also, for person interested: stop being interested. This is for your own good.

>>7496175
Furries are problematic primarily because they cause problems for other people. If it weren't for that nobody would give a shit about them.

>>7496171

Thanks

I'm currently download Touhou 6 The embodiment of the scarlet devil because that seems like the first one for windows

The only song I've heard from it was Bad Apple and I enjoyed that

How many times in how many threads are we going to have this exact same discussion?

>>7496184
Be sure to also investigate other Touhou communities, such as shrinemaiden.org or pooshlmer.com, to see if you like the company better than the warren of pedophiles that is /jp/.

>>7496175
It's truly hilarious that you're asking me to explain why I believe some things to be better than others when you can't explain why you think they're all equal. I'll tell you how I know some things are better than others. MY INSTINCTS FORCE ME TO ENJOY SOME THINGS OVER OTHER THINGS!
Also I don't even have a waifu you dumb fuck.
Also you said "there is absolutely no sense and no reason found within it" CAN YOU SUPPORT THAT SHIT? FUCKING CAN YOU?

>>7496182

Any number of news stories from Japan alone will reveal the damage and embarassment people with waifu fantasies cause. Once again, there is no difference, save that you erect yourself.

>>7496168
Sanity is for the weak.

>>7496190

I don't even know. It's getting to be pretty silly.

>>7496190
Until either I or our resident messiah becomes tired of having them.

So basically, until one of us loses their marbles or dies.

>>7496196
>damage
Citation required.

>embarassment
Your dislike of people with waifus does not constitute enough of a reason for you to treat it as damaging.

>>7496184
Bad Apple is good, but the fanbase obsesses over it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVPbaBonDAA&playnext=1&list=PL4BBDDF8940E8AC40

There is a fantastic playlist of fan arranges. I'd link one with ingame music but I feel you should listen to it as you play. Playing the game and listening to the girl's song while dodging her bullets is really marvelous.

>>7496194

More gibberish, once again. I think you might be best served by both seeking therapy AND attending some basic writing courses, as it seems you have difficulties expressing both your emotions and your ideas.

>>7496190

I would hope that at least people here are realizing that there is a problem within them, and that this problem can be solved.

>>7496214
It didn't work the first fifty-seven times, but maybe if you call them miserable delusional shells of people who desperately need psychological help fifty-EIGHT times it'll work.

>>7496214
I've said "gibberish"?
YOU'VE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
YOU MUST BE THE WINNER!
Assuming this is a contest in who can say the most worthless shit.

>>7496201

But your mental state is already poor. I suppose we shall have to redefine: until you see the light or die. And it would be such a tragedy for you to die. There's so much you could offer society.

>>7496207

They are regularly played both in Japan and here (as the people who obsess over 'realdolls') as a source of constant and easy laughs. Imagine how that must feel for their relatives, to be confronted with this? Or society at large, to have to put up with a member so defective? Yes, it is damaging and embarrassing.

>>7496198

I could perhaps quote 'leet penguin of doom' but I won't. You get the message, though.

so how do you people hide the embarrassment of realizing that your arguing means completely nothing
just stop, please, I beg you stop while you have some dignity!

>>7496242
SOME PATHETIC FUCKS BUY REAL DOLLS AND HAVE WAIFUS BECAUSE THEY CANT GET WOMEN
SO ALL PEOPLE THAT DO THIS MUST BE PATHETIC FUCKS

Oh wait thats NOT HOW IT FUCKING WORKS

>>7496242
>But your mental state is already poor.
Ne, anon, you are the delusional one. Incredibly arrogant and packing a ridiculously large savior complex to boot. You should probably seek the psychological help that you recommend so much.

>They are regularly played both in Japan and here (as the people who obsess over 'realdolls') as a source of constant and easy laughs.
Sorry, so you _and_ numerous other judgmental assholes like you don't like them, so they're dangerous. Okay.

>>7496251

Actually in this instance, I am afraid that is indeed how it does work. Don't like it? Seek help.

>>7496243
The act of arguing causes you to learn, whether you realize it or not. I could make up some bullshit like "lol he doesnt like arguing, i guess he has nothing to say" but...you know...fuck straw men.

>>7496251
You should actually calm down. Don't let retards on the internet get you so worked up. I sentence you to spend two weeks browsing /b/ and /v/ until you either become immune to mass retardation, or break.

>>7496184
So of my favorite touhou themes so I can share the with you:

Phantom Ensemble (Prismriver sisters):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9wHYiicY5I

Green-Eyed Jealousy (Parsee Mizuhashi):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud1qAEGZ1Zw

Satori Maiden (Satori Komeiji):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12AHLzW4kks

Those are just my favorites. If you like them, just look for arranges, you'd be surprised how varied they can be. I'll leave you with a Satori Maiden arrange: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_XDLsM81Y

>>7496242
>it's damaging because society doesn't like them because society doesn't like them because society doesn't like them

Funny thing is, each one of those is a separate thing.

>>7496260
I'm pretty sure I can recall a whole lot of arguments from which I learned absolutely jack shit.

>>7496257
LOL THAT IS HOW IT WORKS
LOL THAT IS HOW IT WORKS
LOL THAT IS HOW IT WORKS
DO YOU BELIEVE ME YET?

No, you have to actually support that shit. Otherwise you've said nothing other than "i dont like it"

And don't say "LOL YOU HAVENT SUPPORTED WHY THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS" when you're the one that made a point first, therefore you have to actually support it before I actually have anything to argue against other than BLACK AND WHITE BLACK AND WHITE

>>7496213
Holy shit. The third arrange (the phantom ensemble one) is incredibly good.

>>7496192
>>7496192
>>7496192
I would like to emphasize this point for OP.

>>7496273

>>7496255

Yes, everybody seeking to help is merely a delusional soul like you with a savior complex. It must be sad, being so paranoid. Open up! Go outside! Seek help! Take up a sport! Cast aside your waifu, your body pillow, your figurines and posters! True fulfillment comes from socializing and from happy mutual relationships.

>>7496265

Oh. Care to explain? Also, I see you've focused on my comments qua society. Why is that?

>>7496285
>everybody
No, just you. Are you sure you don't have a problem with projection?

>>7496285
Not particularly. I'm not interested in argumentation.


If you really want to know, try to figure it out, it'll be fun I'm sure.

>>7496285
Presumably because your first and third comments were personally directed at posters other than Youmu Konpaku, and therefore it would be inappropriate for him to respond to them.

>>7496285
I sought help once. They gave me money to keep doing what I'm doing. It was with that money I bought both of my dakimakuras. Should I seek more help and get even more money? Maybe buy you one so you can take it easy too~

>>7496273

I can understand that you are upset, but you should use this energy to transform yourself, not lash out.

If you seek the proof, simply look up any other major internet board (Something Awful springs to mind) or, even better, any major mainstream media coverage. You can even look up youtube clips regarding news coverage of people with waifus. Then you can read the comments and see how many people are ashamed that they are members of the same species, even.

>>7496302
>Something Awful
hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhaha

>>7496295

It is sad that the state has failed you like this. I would have hoped that it would take better care of its citizenry. Rather than simply buying you off with money, that they got you to discuss your problems, work through them, and come out a functioning member at the end. You CAN be cured, but not with body pillows and false promises: only reality and coming to terms with it can do that.

>>7496287

I have no knowledge regarding your experiences with others who have tried to aid you from your pitiful position, but I would imagine that they encountered much the same response as I just did.

>>7496292

So you do not have an argument? Oh well.

>>7496314
I don't even have a waifu.

>I would imagine that they encountered much the same response as I just did.
Nope, because they weren't all massively arrogant and judgmental assholes like you. Your imagination reflects your projection problem; you can't even begin to comprehend that criticism directed at you even starts to reflect on you rather than the one leveling the criticism.

>So you do not have an argument? Oh well.
He made an argument. You're just apparently too stupid to comprehend it.

>>7496302
LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT DO THIS HATE THEMSELVES
SO THEY ALL MUST HATE THEMSELVES

Alright let me be serious for a moment. Men are not equal. Humanity isn't a hive mind. Just because the majority of the people with waifus are sad pieces of shit (assuming this is even true, i dont even care enough to look) doesn't mean everyone with a waifu is a sad piece of shit. It means that among people with waifus, most are sad pieces of shit, while a few are extremely great people. Just look at, the goddamned world. Most people are worthless. This is the only condition under which GREAT MEN CAN EXIST. Most video game players are worthless, most artists are worthless, most people with "successful relationships lol" are worthless. But among these people SOME ARE GREAT precisely because their instincts tell them "holy shit look at all of these worthless people, I fucking hate this community". It is because of this opposition, these sad pieces of shit, that they are able to become great. Perfect example: video game companies.
Admit it, most companies are shit, most games are shit. However, now that all this shit is floating around, amazing companies like CAVE become even greater. The fact that everywhere you look, shitty games are being made doesn't mean games are shit. It means most games are shit, it means bad games are shit.
Just as bad waifu owners are shit.

>you can't even begin to comprehend that criticism directed at you even starts to reflect on you rather than the one leveling the criticism.

How can I take the words of a very mentally ill man at face value? It would be silly to do so. You are lashing out. This needs to be overcome.

>He made an argument. You're just apparently too stupid to comprehend it.

He simply said they were all different things, then refused to further construct this statement. One can only conclude that he has no argument.

>>7496340
You've started from the premise that you are correct and that the person you're talking to is insane, so you disregard everything that is said as delusional ravings. And you wonder why some people think you are an arrogant asshole.

>I can only conclude that he has no argument, because I am retarded.
I fixed that for you.

>>7496314
Anon, can I ask you a question? I'm not the guy/guys you're debating with and I don't really care much about waifus but I need to ask you this. Why do you still come here? You obviously dislike the idea of waifus and you obviously think the people who post here are sick fucks (I won't argue with you on any of those points), so why do you still come here and derail threads at the mere mention of a waifu? are you like a waifu-hunting batman, searching the night for evil waifus to destroy? I just don't get why do you have this much dedication to people who don't and won't ever listen to you. Sometimes, when I see a thread derailed by you (like this one, that had nothing at all to do with waifus) I wonder if maybe you need some help too. After all, the way you actively seek conflict that can't be resolved isn't healthy.
Again, I'm not arguing for or against the damages or benefits of having a waifu. I'm just a little worried about the way you approach this subject.

>>7496344
He's here to save us from our hikkikomori ways.

See also: massive messiah complex.

>>7496340
>very mentally ill man
Well, now that you've just admitted that you won't accept any logic but your own, we can end this needless back-and-forth, yes?

Alright OP here

I just finished playing a bit of Touhou 6 and I can see why you like it

The gameplay is actually kind of fun and the music is actually enjoyable

Color me a touhou fag now

>>7496340
You haven't even tried to figure it out, though forgive me if I give absolutely no shits about whether or not you do in the end.

It seems you have a singular lack of imagination. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions on why you try to drag people with a surfeit of imagination to your level.

>>7496352
>Implying this discussion will ever end

>>7496354
My sincere consolations on what happened to your thread while you were doing so. There's a couple of decent gameplay threads up at the moment though.

>>7496354

I'm glad you enjoy it. It's sad to see your thread devolved to something entirely silly and pointless, but I hope you take it easy and continue to play happily.

>>7496356
I wager it might actually end if I and captain allcaps stop talking to him.

>>7496354
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
It's funny, my friend (the one that likes touhou because of the gameplay and hates all things weeaboo) became a severe touhoufag due to how addictive the game is. We often have conversations about touhou and he even comes to /jp/ occasionaly to look for Alice threads (Alice is his favorite character).

>>7496356
>implying
This word. I do not think it means what you think it means

>>7496364
If he stops responding, then our good Misaki Anon will just find another thread that tangentially mentions waifus and continue the discussion forever. It's sad, really. A man trapped in an endless argument with no one in particular. I think I'll write a short story about him one of these days.

>>7496354
Alright now here's what you do, convert.
Focus only on 06 for a while
Play 10 hours a day
Learn the scoring system inside and out
Plan routes through stages while you're laying in bed trying to sleep, or at school pretending to care about your countrys' shitty education system, or at work
Watch replays of pros
Read the wiki on the characters of 06 if you feel like it
Look through the communities
Pick the ones you like the most
Become otaku like the rest of us
Hope someday to be consistent enough to beat the japanese scores
when you reach the top keep climbing etc etc
not like you'll reach the top any time soon lol

>>7496374
Yeah, but if he doesn't get any bites in his new thread, his tangent will die like footsteps on the beach. After all, it takes two to derail a thread.

Guilty as charged.

>>7496365
Must be a long and arduous quest.

>>7496354
Rest remember to take it easy. Sometimes runs can get frustrating, but if you shake off ill luck you can do it!

>>7496381
>rest

Oops, and if you want an easier game, I suggest Perfect Cherry Blossom or Imperishable Night. There isn't a real story connection between the games, although it seems as though one is forming from 10 on.

>>7496344

Okay, this is going to be a bit difficult. I'd like to imagine that I'm helping people, but reactions from them (and their general defensiveness) sort of work to shoot that down. But I see these people, who opine how they hate society ('normalfags') women ('3DPD') and countless other things. Now, ignoring the waifu issue for a moment, these are in of themselves incredibly unhealthy postions to hold, and not just for the posters in question: this hatred of society, women, etc spreads out from them and it works to make the lives of those around them that much less happy. Much of this '3DPD' talk is a masculinist answer to feminism and the increased rights and standing of women (very little of it has to do with a straight disapproval of the aesthetics of real women) These are more issues that serve to cause people to turn to a 'waifu': they see society as hating them, and women as threatening and / or demanding. Neither of these is really the case.

I'd like to remind them that these are not true, that society CAN accept them, that women are hardly beings who will use them for whatever game and then scream 'rape' after the fact, basically to get these guys to stop being so paranoid and unhappy about the facts of their existence.

You say people won't ever listen to me, but I do not think that is really the case: perhaps some who saw my posts did think about it, and stopped posting here. Some of them maybe sought help. Why would they return to brag?

Ultimately, I would like to think I am not just helping people here by challenging their delusions and helping them overcome their paranoia of people (especially women), but also serving in some small way to improve society.

>>7496380
From skimming this thread, one gets the impression that casual Touhou fans simply don't exist.

>>7496364
It's decided.
If I ever get a trip code it'll be some variation of capn allcaps.
You know...unless someone else takes it first.

I wish I had my "No, not even one post" picture on this computer.

>>7496390

I guess I could be considered one. But I'm not sure. I might play the games about a couple hours a week, while occasionally enjoying other Touhou related things. Sure, there are a few characters I absolutely love, but I'm not sure if you'd call me hardcore or anything of the sort.

>>7496389
>improve society
getoutof/jp/.jpg

>>7496390
Well they certainly shouldn't get the impression of a casual community on a board called Otaku Culture.
Take that shit to /v/ amirite?

>>7496393
Oh man and surely you need a custom tripcode too yes yes?

>>7496355

A surfeit of imagination? Are you spouting more gibberish now?

Also, you have named yourself after a fictional character and 'maintain relations' (sadly) with probably the same again. You are appropriating a game instead of using your own imagination, so one would think to look at oneself before making such claims.

>>7496374

>Misaki anon

I do not understand this phrase.

Also writing a short story in vengeance is not a healthy or mature activity. If you have energy for that, you have energy and imagination to escape the cycle.

>>7496389
Okay, this is going to be a bit difficult too so bear with me. I actually agree on your points that 3DP and normalfag hate and stuff like that isn't exactly "healthy". I also agree that maybe a few of the people who post here might use some help (hell, I know I could use some).
BUT
The way you come here and look for every little excuse to start what can only be described (despite your original intent) as a flame war isn't exactly healthy either. Also, you aren't helping anyone here. You are antagonizing them. You call them delusional and mentally ill. They could be, I don't know, but you can't tell them that. At least not if you're trying to help. This is why any mental health professional worth a damn won't call you "a fucking loon" when you're in a session. If you really want to help, you have to be close to those you want to help. You have to understand why they think the way they do and how to steer those thoughts into a "healthier" path.
Also, If you really want to help mentally ill people get better, you should get out of 4chan and volunteer as an orderly in a psychiatric hospital or something like that. Coming here only makes you feel as if you were helping when you are doing nothing at all (in the best case) or even causing more harm (in the worst case). The hypothethical reader touched by your words is as real as a waifu.

>>7496419
Are you really that incompetent that you don't understand that phrase? It refers to exactly what you think these people are suffering from, so I can't even begin to understand why you would say that. Maybe you should look it up if you don't know what it means, everyone else who has two neurons to rub together does that in this age of google.
As for the character, I did that so I could avatarfag on /v/. It's rather unrelated to this current discussion, so that you would bring it up reflects rather poorly on your actual arguments. It's like you ran out of real things to say.

>The hypothethical reader touched by your words is as real as a waifu.

hahaha what

>This is why any mental health professional worth a damn won't call you "a fucking loon" when you're in a session

This is true, and I have never once refered to these individuals as 'loons', 'insane' or with other such colored language. I can understand the need to be circumspect, but at the same time it must be made clear that there is a problem here. A failure to acknowledge means no progress will be made.

>Also, you aren't helping anyone here. You are antagonizing them.

This is somewhat a matter of perspective.

>volunteer as an orderly in a psychiatric hospital or something like that.

Positions as an orderly are not generally open to volunteering.

>>7496419
1) Misaki anon was meant as a reference to the character Misaki from Welcome to the NHK. She's a girl who uses her very amateur knowledge of psychology to try help a hikkikomori.
2) I'm sorry if you thought the short story thing was a personal attack or a revenge. I only meant that the concept of a man permanently trapped in an argument with nobody was and interesting idea for a character and that I could try writing a short story using that as a character. Of course I wouldn't use you or your debates (I don't think a deate about waifus would be very interesting to read about), I would just take the way you act and use it to try develop an interesting character.
3) "Escape the cycle"? You must think I have a waifu and hate 3DPD girls and normalfags. I don't, I'm what many here would call a normalfag (I only come here because I love touhou music). In fact, I agree with you in some points. I just think the way you act in these threads isn't healthy.

>>7496433
>hahaha what
The number of people who have decided to abandon their waifus because of you is almost assuredly zero; the existence of these people is purely hypothetical. If you really want to change someone's mind, you must change their perspective by bringing something new to the table. Repeating the same shit over and over doesn't work; if it did, all psychiatrists would be out of a job because we could replace them with posters.

So far the best you've been able to muster is "you're delusional get help" and "look at these youtube videos making fun of people like you," both of which have been heard by the people here approximately ten thousand times before.

>>7496433
>I have never once refered to...
Credibility-- Gone.

>>7496433
>hahaha what
Exactly what I said. You say you do this in hopes that someone will read it and "see the light" so to speak. I was saying that that is probably as much a delusion as a waifu.

> I have never once refered to these individuals as 'loons', 'insane' or with other such colored language.
You just called the guy you were debating with "a very mentaly ill person"

>This is somewhat a matter of perspective.
Yes and no. It is a matter of perspective in the sense that almost everyting is subjective/relative but it isn't in the sense that you are attacking them instead of trying to understand them.

>Positions as an orderly are not generally open to volunteering.
Okay, my bad, maybe orderly wasn't the word I wa looking for (english isn't my first language). I was just throwing ideas out there. My point was that you could find a posistion where you actually help people in a real way.

Also, you should probably watch Welcome to the NHK. Misaki, the girl I compared you to, had very good intentions but her own issues and the fact that she wasn't actually trained in the mental health field made her help less useful than she thought.

>>7496412
perhaps
>>7496435
post that shit on /jp/
I'd read it

>The last time you got into, or sat on the sidelines of, an argument online with someone who thought they knew all there was to know about health care reform, gun control, gay marriage, climate change, sex education, the drug war, Joss Whedon or whether or not 0.9999 repeated to infinity was equal to one – how did it go?

>Did you teach the other party a valuable lesson? Did they thank you for edifying them on the intricacies of the issue after cursing their heretofore ignorance, doffing their virtual hat as they parted from the keyboard a better person?

>No, probably not. Most online battles follow a similar pattern, each side launching attacks and pulling evidence from deep inside the web to back up their positions until, out of frustration, one party resorts to an all-out ad hominem nuclear strike. If you are lucky, the comment thread will get derailed in time for you to keep your dignity, or a neighboring commenter will help initiate a text-based dogpile on your opponent.

>What should be evident from the studies on the backfire effect is you can never win an argument online. When you start to pull out facts and figures, hyperlinks and quotes, you are actually making the opponent feel as though they are even more sure of their position than before you started the debate. As they match your fervor, the same thing happens in your skull. The backfire effect pushes both of you deeper into your original beliefs.

Wow.

>>7496466
I'd like to but my first language is spanish and I like to write stories in Spanish. Also, I'm a very slow writer (a story takes about two nights to be written but about a week or two to be completely formed in my mind). Still, if I like the result I might translate it as best I can and post it here.

>>7496466
Excellent. They are truly one of the finer things in life.

>>7496471
Indeed. Happens in real life too, under certain conditions.

>>7496471
that faggot thinks arguments are about winning
laughing whores.jpg

>>7496486
You are still doing it.

>>7496472
If you post it, post it in both languages.

>>7496493
Thanks, will do. So far I only have the basic premise: a man who feels the overwhelming need to prove his point but there's no one actually arguing with him. I have to develop the character a bit more, determine the nature of his obsession and stuff like that.

holy shit

this thread is awesome

>>7496521
as awesome as a train wreck

>>7496525
I don't know about you, but if I saw a train wreck occur I'd be fucking ecstatic.

>>7496528
Exactly.

>>7496510
I'll be waiting

To everyone involved in this thread: thanks, it was really interesting. One of the first threads I read every post of in a while.

>>7496550