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>>7411443
>mfw I play disco shmups

I generally agree, OP.

AK Shin should arrive for me in the morning.

>No F tier just for Touhou
Eh, good job. You exceeded my expectations.

very good list, though i like Deathsmiles 2 more than the first one

also it seems there are some people that say something like this, i don't get it

"you can't put Mushi Futari 1.5 and Black Label in different places, they're the same game"

>>7411548
All of these games have something in common with each other, and Touhou doesn't share that.
See if you can figure it out.

>>7411443
>"you can't put Mushi Futari 1.5 and Black Label in different places, they're the same game"

Well that's just not true. 1.5 Original and Maniac are very different from BL Original and Maniac. BLO is all about point-blanking everything and increasing the rank to insane levels and no missing the entire game, otherwise you lose a billion points. BL Maniac is similar to 1.5 Maniac, but basically everything in creases your meter and it's much easier to keep it in the red. In 1.5 you have to create mini Ketsui-like chains to get a full burst of gems from the right enemies, and then you save it all up to cash in on something huge. In BL you are cashing in non-stop. Personally, I think 1.5 Maniac is a lot more fun.

1.5 Ultra is just silly. God mode in BL is fantastic, and it's what makes Futari BL rank so high.

DeathSmiles iOS WHEN
WHEN, CAVE

TELL ME

>>7413349
Just play it on the Xbox.

>>7413351
I wouldn't touch a 3shitty if my life depended on it.

Wait... What's the difference between Death Smiles and Death Smiles: Mega Black Label?

Switch ketsui with dodonpachi.

>>7413359
you're loss bro. hope your enjoying mamoru-kun on your PS3

>>7411443

I'm reminded that I forgot to get my Saturday Night Fever on yesterday.

Has anyone on here played Akai Katana Shin yet? I'm waiting warmly.

>>7413515
I'm holding out on it since I want to put some more time into my older games first, but every time I read some impressions, I get closer and closer to ordering it. Damn my lack of willpower.

>>7413540
I keep hearing good things as well. My copy should be here today, if the post doesn't fuck with me as has been the case recently.

I'm a moron though, so many games to play, $2000 in debt and I still forked out $140 for the limited edition. Uhg.

Deathsmiles 2 is a lot more fun than 1.

>>7413375
Nope.

Kinda off-topic, but I think western shmup fans are a little misguided in how they judge their skills. I have seen people say that getting 100 million in Raiden Fighters Jet is "decent", and getting 300 million in Mushi Futari Original mode is "decent". And people who have 1CC'd many games (some with good-to-great scores) consider themselves "kusoplayers".

These people are living in a vacuum. Everyone should consider the entire spectrum of the playerbase when judging your scores. Sure, compared to the guy who gets 500m in Futari Original, 300m is only "decent". But consider how many people cannot even beat the game, let alone get anywhere near even 200m. Those are the true "kusoplayers".


The again, maybe I have been trolled for years now, and these people understand that they are actually good players with good scores. I can't even tell.

>>7413693
let me see if i understand you, you're saying playing a dead genre that no one likes makes you better by comparison?

>>7413714
You don't understand him.

He's saying people who can beat the game with a mediocre score are actually pretty good, when compared to the overall whole of the body of players.

>>7413738
>the game
Any given game.

>>7413738
so if more people played and were good those same pretty good players would be shit?

>>7413744
Yeah, basically. I don't really agree with it, but that is more or less what he's saying.

why is DDP DFK black label not S tier? the ketsui arrange mode is pretty baller imo

>>7413744
That's not really what I'm saying. Let's use a sports analogy.

Daigo Umehara is the best Street Fighter player in the world. Is someone like Marn only a "decent" player because he doesn't compare to Daigo? No, Marn is great. And people who are one level lower than Marn are not shit players - they are simply "good". The truly shit players are the people who can't do anything besides throw fireballs and dragon punch randomly.

>>7413777
You just called video games a sport but ok.

>>7413744
No, the bell curve wouldn't change that much.

>>7413782
If poker can be a sport, then so can competitive video games.

Are there any strats for Akai Katana in English? I don't know what the fuck is going on.

>>7413777
Daigo is the best now cause he rules some smalltime US tourney? Interesting story.

>>7413989
Who's better?

>>7414026
I hear there's an up and coming baller from Mexico up to the task..

Ugh ... slowking here, when is the official release for Akai Katana Shin ? And is the game region-locked like usual ?

>>7414243
Just released on the 26th, and yes. Consensus is very fucking good.

Look at the cover of Ketsui. Yep, there's a problem, there is no lolis on this cover. That's the first problem. The second problem is that it's not Daioujou. For years people who have played Ketsui called it the best CAVE shooter out there. I think they just had a case of "I-can-play-this-and-you-can't-itus".

Ketsui has a number of things against it. I can't enjoy a shooting game with no lolis in it. Sure there is Alice but she's 18 and looks like a man. The visual style is kind of cool. It's no mecha-moon warzone like Daioujou, but it'll suffice. Then stage 3 comes along. Nice orange background, love this orange water, makes me thirsty. Too bad I can't see my bullets or my ship. The ship design, Tiger Shcwartz. This thing is badass, makes me wish it was in Dodonpachi. (oh wait) Too bad it lacks any firepower. "Off to stop the 2nd apocalypse! I have this badass ship, bought it off the lot before Exy and Lienyanne could pick theirs out. Too bad I forgot all my ammunition." This is the factor that ruins the game for me. It's almost as bad as Raiden IV, sure love to be able to shoot any enemy until it falls off the screen without being able to kill it. Got a high powered alternating color schemes laser, of course it can't go very far, stops about 25 feet in front of me for no reason. Who worries about the small stuff though. Boss design in this game is horrible. It's like someone took a soldering iron and made a mess, taped wheels to it and called it a boss.

>>7414585
Ketsui has a few things going for it, totally awesome soundtrack, save level 4. Sounds like Daioujou remixed. Totally awesome arrange soundtrack, save level 4. Sounds like Daioujou remixed. People always talk about the patterns that aren't like any other shooting game. They constantly fail to mention that all these patterns suck until you get to the stage 4 boss. Then it's kind of cool and the stage 4 boss is easily the best part of the game. There is a hidden boss in Ketsui called Doom. He looks cool in videos but I suck too much to get to him so I'll have to take their word for it. There is a scoring system in this game. Whenever I cash in I feel a little disappointed, I'm giving you my hard earned chips, do you know how long it took me to collect those? You can't even give me a flashy x100,000. CAVE had some good ideas here. Ripping off Daioujou but making it nothing like Daioujou, wasn't one of them. The backwards scrolling in stage 5 later scene in Galuda II was awesome though. Square patterns of the stage 5 boss made think CAVE was testing the markets to release a board game.

>>7414585
>>7414588

Brilliant review. Well done.

Akai Katana port is fucking unreal. People with a j360 or JTAG or whatever should check it out as soon as you can. It is a lot of fun and has a fantastic soundtrack.

>>7414585
>>7414588
Read this in xoxak's voice.

>>7415388
Read it again just to be able to read it in xoxak's voice.

OP is Ketsweefag, admit it!

Finally got Ikaruga today, and I only had to drive 112 miles to do so.

Now if I can get past Stage 2 it'd be excellent.

>>7417263
DC version I hope.

I'm about to get 1000/1000 on Ketsui for the 360. Just gotta grind some suicide bullets for the last achievement.

So, Anons of /jp/, who do you consider to be the biggest idiot of the shmups forum?

>>7418081
Most people in this thread.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=35666&sid=4b0031b7ce7dd08bf049c6002bb70db1&am
p;start=30
I'm not buttmad because they badmouth my tow hoe, but their talk about hypers is retarded.

>>7418081
Skykid

>>7418121
I read this a while ago, but all their talk of hypers is very true. CC breaking > DOJ hypers >> DFK hypers >>>> th13 hypers. They're really really unimpressive and boring and rarefied and disappointing.

The visuals are kinda okay I guess, though certainly less incredible than CC or even DFK. But the fact that you go completely invincible for the duration just sucks all of the interesting out of it. It's a glorified bomb, instead of a complete supercharged change of pace and/or mechanics.
Plus when you consider the fact that you can't deathbomb at all 70% of the time, which is quite possibly one of Touhou's most interesting nonspellcard mechanic, makes them almost detrimental to your survival overall. Deathtrancing is both irritating and useless.

Anyways, yeah. I wasn't so irritated with it before because I didn't want to compare it to the hypers in DOJ/DFK/CC, but there you have it.

Plus, you fail a spellcard if you use one? How much more awesome would it be to make it clear the screen but shoot up the difficulty for the duration, instead of making you go invincible? Like all three of those games.
Egh.

>>7418291
Yeah, I really hope we see some big improvements from the demo, so that it doesn't feel like a chore to 1cc. Oh well, at least I can look forward to more cute girls doing cute things with bright colors and catchy music. Why else would you play Touhou, anyway?

>>7418081

Everyone who joined in the last 2 years + Elixir.

That feel when your FUCKING XBOX KEEPS FREEZING FUCK I HOPE WHOEVER DESIGNED THIS PIECE OF SHIT DIES A SLOW, PAINFUL DEATH

>>7418345
Elixir is OK. If anything he is the most like /jp/ out of anyone on there. Well, that may be reason enough to hate him. Eh.

Skykid gets annoying. Drauch is pretty funny.

>>7418361

Fucking Americans shitting up the once peaceful game industry.

>>7418372
The problem with Elixir is that he doesn't know shit about video games, yet he thinks he does.

It's kinda fun to play Ikaruga on a display taller than I am.

>>7420427
That's pretty cool. How expensive was your setup and how does it stand against HD screens?

My previous experiences with projectors (not my own) were pretty bad, but I'm willing to give it a try if it's worth it and I can get the money for it.

>>7420471
Honestly I'm not sure how expensive it was, since the projector is my roommate's. (as is all the crap strewn around the room, but that's another matter)

It's not nearly as good as an HD screen, of course. It's nice and huge, but the resolution isn't so fine. But you're not going to be up close to the screen anyways to tell, and it's not like you need to see the fine details of a shmup. So it's pretty nice overall, and supremely easy to tate.

wrong, Deathsmiles is shit tear and should have never been licensed for NA/EU.

>>7418387
fucking weaboos, with their lips glued to japanese cock

>>7420767
>shit tear
Sounds painful.

Ikaruga sucks.

>truth_ agesere

>S-tier:
>Muchi Muchi Pork!
Pink Sweets and Ibara are both better. Much better.

>A-tier:
>Espgaluda
Better than the sequel? Really?

>B-tier:
>Death Smiles 2
Everything good about the first has been removed. Worst game Cave have made.

>D-tier:
>Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu 1.5
1.5 is much better than Black Label. Yes, strong played for survival is a stupidily easy 1CC, but power for score is a completely different beast. Whereas BL played for score is picking the green ship and shooting off screen while invincible for 99% of the stage.

>Ikaruga
This is a puzzle game, not a shmup.

>>7420867
>Pink Sweets better than MMP

DFK 1.5 is A-tier for sure. If you're just going for a bombspam non-chaining 1-all, it's less exciting than most other stuff, but if you actually work with the game, chain stages and attack the second loop, it's awesome. 1-3 and 1-4 chains are immensely satisfying to pull off.

>>7420530
Thanks!

>>7420867
Fuck off, Elixir.

>>7420873
Because it plays exactly like a Cave game but has Yagawa's name on it, amirite?

>>7420954
If this was Elixir he'd just invert the inital list.

>>7420967
I suppose you're right.

Treasurance also posts here and he's from Finland apparently. I wonder if he's....

>>7420886
This. I can't get 1-3. But 1-4 is so fucking satisfying.

Someone play Ace Combat 6 with me.

>>7420967
Nah, Elixir hates DS2 with a burning passion.

>>7420886
>getting the Ura loop in 1.5

>>7418405
I think Elixir is too busying fucking sheep thinking their his waifu to actually bother playing the games. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned from there, having been banned from every other place he's been on the internet.

Ara ara. How did this thread become about shmups forum faggotry?

>>7421105
It isn't the first time this has happened.

>>7418081
>who do you consider to be the biggest idiot of the shmups forum?

Everyone who isn't icycalm.

>>7421114

>>7418291
>Deathtrancing is both irritating and useless.

I don't know what moment of sobriety made ZUN think it would be a good idea to take the worst part of UFO -- the resource draining -- and magnify it a few times.

ZUN claimed he wanted to make the game easier/funner, but this makes it terribly frustrating for those of that can't consistently no-miss the game.

>>7421150
Yeah... I mean, it's supposed to be a bonus as you die or something, I guess, but it really just feels like "Oh look, you died, now you get to derp around and think about what a stupid and terrible mistake that was for the next 3-10 seconds. Have fun!"

Cave hasn't made a decent game in over a decade.

>>7421190
Well at least they remade Ketsui.

>>7421190
nostalgiafag

>>7421196
ps by remade I mean ported. I derped really hard.

It's a technique from one of the more recent Yagawa games. You die but score enough in your death explosion to score an extend before the continue counter comes up. Except now you have longer to score an extend, but you can't prevent it.

ZUN mised the point with hypers too.

>>7412619
>1.5 Ultra is just silly. God mode in BL is fantastic,
Speak for yourself.
Ultra is an orgasmic bullet rape from hell, whereas God mode is far too easy.

>>7420867
>Muchi Muchi Pork!
>Pink Sweets and Ibara are both better. Much better.
Pink Sweets 1.01 is a decent game. 1.00 is shit. Ibara is worse than Pink Sweets. The -only- bad thing about Muchi Muchi Pork is the extensive boss milking, which is even worse in Pink Sweets. It's a Yagawa game though. Comes with the territory.

>Espgaluda
>Better than the sequel? Really?
Yep. Galuda 1 has a good scoring system, the sequel and Black Label don't.

>Death Smiles 2
Everything good about the first has been removed. Worst game Cave have made.

DS2 is rushed and half-finished for sure, but it's pretty fun to play for score.

>D-tier:
>Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu 1.5
1.5 is much better than Black Label. Yes, strong played for survival is a stupidily easy 1CC, but power for score is a completely different beast. Whereas BL played for score is picking the green ship and shooting off screen while invincible for 99% of the stage.

1.5 is the worst game Cave has ever made. Black Label gave the game selectable difficulty (from easy to hard as fuck), improved the scoring system, and fixed the horrible difficulty curve (1.5 stage difficulty: easy, easy, easy, easy, hard).

>Ikaruga
This is a puzzle game, not a shmup.

And it's the best puzzle game ever made.

>>7421263
Forgot to add quotes, oh well.

>>7421242
If it's so easy, you must have defeated the TLB, right?

Muchi pork is the best game of all time. Fact.

>>7421270
Hahaha, of course. Anyone who's going to get to Spiritual Larsa is going to likely be able to beat her easily. She's a bonus boss essentially there to give you shitloads of points.

>>7421310
I didn't say she was hard, I meant that if the game is so easy you must have been able to no miss everything in order to fight her.

Care to post your gamertag then? It will surely have 1250/1250 achievement points.

I'm waaaaaaiting.

>>7421284
Get out, EOJ.

>>7421382
I laughed.

>>7421074
he did get banned by the way, but he begged the mods to let him back in.

tsk tsk tsk

On the subject of TLB clears, DDP Resurrection was almost horrifically easy on Normal mode.

boom

Especially Hibachi's first healthbar, they nerfed that to be way easier than Golden Disaster. Silly, really.

one more tier to add to the OP:

F-tier:
iPhone games

>>7421529
Nah, they're easy on Normal mode, but the Hard mode is arcade-difficulty, and the control schemes are quite novel and very smooth.

Bug Panic is kinda mediocre though.

Anyone else playing Akai Katana Shin?

Zetsu mode is addictive as fuck. I'm starting to get my head around how it works now, so I'm having heaps of fun.

>>7421965
Does Zetsu have the extra stage from Shin mode? Or is it just like the regular arcade game without all of the PCB limitations?


I'm excited to get my copy; I'll probably order it in a week or two. I promised myself that I'll get 1000/1000 on Death Smiles 2 and 1cc DOJ Black Label before buying AKS.

>>7422229
Zetsu has the extra level. And it is a killer level too.

>>7422329
Awesome. I really wish Death Smiles 2 had a "zetsu" mode that included all of the extra stuff from 2X mode (characters, the extra stage, ranks, etc). Then I'd like it more than the original.

hey guys, you miss bullet soul, eschatos, and strania too! also what do you think of them and what tier should they be in?

And is anyone still anxiously for the upcoming Radiant silvergun HD?

pic related, that's my waifu

>>7422346
Well in context of the tread it seems to be CAVE shmups.

I personally really liked Strania and Side Vower. Too poor to afford Bullet Soul and Eschatos yet. Also worth mentioning is Bangai-O HD.

>>7422346
I love Strania, it's my favorite G.rev game. I'm pretty good at it too (got a 14.5~ million score before the patch) but I suck at Side Vower since I haven't played it much. It seems good though.

Bangai-O HD is great as well. There are a lot of crappy stages throughout the game, but there are tons of amazing ones as well. The Extreme stages in particular are fantastic.

XBLA is so good. I feel bad for the people with modded 360s because they're missing out on lots of great games.

Whose cock do I have to suck for an HD port of Mushihime-sama 1.5?

>>7422517
>Eschatos
The best parts about Eschatos are actually the two WonderSwan games included: Judgement Silversword and Cardinal Sins. They're also very impressive from a technical standpoint considering the hardware they ran on.

shump bump

>>7425069
I like using the word shump ironically.

Tell me which shmup to obsessively play until I 1cc or starve to death. Ranked roughly in likelihood.

Crimzon Clover simple
Kamui
Ikaruga
MoF lunatic
PCB lunatic
Samidare Extra stage
RefleX
ESPGaluda II
DoDonPachi
Ketsui

>>7425284
Ketsui

>>7425305
why you do this to me

>>7425284
Crimzon Clover simple. Even without bureiku modo, there's still a nice amount of depth to the scoring system, and I bet you could 1cc it all on your first try.

>>7425325
Honestly, I think Ketsui's (first loop) difficulty is a little overrated. It's hard, but it's pretty doable. It just takes more strategy and memorization than most of Cave's games.

Go to youtube and watch some replays. You'll be able to pick up some tricks for just about any part that's causing you trouble. The stage 3 boss in particular gets a LOT easier once you see how some other people deal with him.

>>7425578
Ah...
To be honest memorization is easily my least favorite thing about shmups. I know it's about half of most shmups, but still... egh.