/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>7304226
all of my hate

>Or do i just have to live with it?
Yes, enjoy the rest of her H scenes.

I don't remember, but thanks for the boner.

I had forgotten how hot that bit was.

Deal with it.jpg

It's not like you're the one being deflowered by a fucking tengu. Just rape her and move on.

>mfw i spent 4 days trying to kill all them pandas

>>7304234
but i want to deflower her...

It's because of this scene that I have an NTR fetish.
Fuck you, Alicesoft.

>>7304240
that's autistic as hell, man

Look at that slut, just look at her.

>>7304244
Everybody did, but you're just going to have to deal with it.

>>7304245
This has got to be the only NTR that has any effect on me ever, no doujin, ova or anything has made me rage.
I guess its because it feels like real NTR, compared to all the other doujins or whatever when the MCs get screwed over.

also mfw when watching the scene

When you capture her home territory, Rance fucks her in front of her daddy. Since she's not a virgin, she doesn't bleed, and Rance makes sure to point this out to her father. So right in front of dear daddy, his sweet untouchable princess is getting fucked by at least the second dick she's had in her after having not been a virgin and not letting dear old daddy know that not only did she give it up, she whored it out for political reasons which is exactly what he went to war with Oda to prevent her from having to do in the first place.

The whole thing is a story about completely despoiling delusions of purity in a spoiled daughter and her delusional father. It's NTR to the extreme.

And none of that could really happen if mister tengu doesn't get a shot at fucking her, so you are just going to have to deal with that.

I realize you may have a problem with used goods, but Rance doesn't. That's why Rance is a hero who gets to fuck many women and you're a fucking loser who must resign himself to fapping at the tales of his magnificent exploits. Because that's the kind of hero Rance is. Sure, he prefers taking virginity and consensual sex, but if he has to rape and if the cherry's already been popped, he ain't gonna make a fuss over it. What a guy. What a man. That's the way to be. Don't sweat the small stuff.

>>7304226
Nobody give a shit about sluthime.
Go save Kenshin instead.

>>7304226
wth man? you didn't beat all the pandas rape her virgin ass and recruit hakkin for endless panda rush?

lolnewfag

>>7304256
;_;

At first, I felt kinda bad that she got raped by the creepy panda man, but I quickly got over it.

Kou's getting raped, on the other hand, still gets to me.

See, I don't get why people like this NTR shit. It does nothing but make you pissed off and depressed.

>>7304269

You're a terrible person.

>>7304274

I didn't like Kou's rape, but since she immediately started craving the hyper weapon after the whole temple event I figured it was a fair enough tradeoff.

I normally don't like rape and NTR, but I enjoy it when it's Alicesoft rape and NTR that's why the CORE route is the best part in Daiteikoku.

>>7304277
Because it's new and exciting! Japanese pervs love the new stuff.

>>7304282
That's not saying much.

>>7304277

Well, there's a few reasons. NTR takes the girl down a notch. It pulls her off of her pedestal. That's kind of a liberating thing for a guy to come to terms with. It's like instant grow-up medicine for the obnoxiously romantic folks.

That, and there's also netori. Hell, I wind up reading most netorare like it's netori so it doesn't really bother me on a personal level.

Then, back to point one, for the crazy misogynist, it's like a little psychological confirmation of the bitches and whores mentality. Makes you feel right. Makes you feel good. And so now in your porn, you're finally fapping to a piece of meat you don't respect at all, rather than an unattainable object of your pathetically misguided affections. So there's that, I suppose.

Hell, I'm just rationalizing. Basically you just get used to it. It ain't so bad, really.

>>7304282
Most of it isn't even NTR nor do the Japanese classify it as such. It's just the latest buzzword in the Japanophile scene to show that you're supah otaku. Same thing happened a few years ago with "moe" when Haruhi aired and "tsundere" with Shana/ZnT. People all scrambling over each other to call fucking everything the new word they learned. Give it a year and it'll die down to only slightly retarded levels.

Is there any benefits from fighting the panda?
Should I just retreat as to not wast any troops?

>>7304308

1) No.
2) Yes.

>>7304277
I don't get why anyone would "rage" or whatever over the Yukihime scene. I kept hearing about how bad it was but when I actually played the game I realized she was a shitty character even by Rance standards so I didn't give a fuck who fucked her.

>>7304296
So true.

>>7304334
Kou wasn't a shitty character though, and she got raped.

>>7304338
The only good characters that got raped by someone other than Rance are Kou, Kenshin, and Leila.

>>7304296
So you're denying that Mikuru was a moe character(character intended to appeal to moe fans) and that Shana and Louise were tsundere?

And also stating that Japanophiles were the cause of this horror?

Sorry if I've misinterpreted you.

>>7304296
It just means having your lover/person you have deep affection for stolen away. If a person is deeply likes a character and wants her to have sex with rance(projecting himself as rance) and she's raped by some old man tengu, then it can be called netorare in that sense.


I agree too many people are using it too loosely, but too many people also seem to think the word has some very strict situational meaning. I'll give a straight forward example; Horny housewife who's married. Her cousin comes and stays with her while her husband is over seas. They start fucking and she keeps mentioning her husband. At the end she admits she's his cock slave and can't live without him.

That's very easily described as NTR. Yet, some idiots thought it wasn't because the husband wasn't in the closet watching or some shit. Like that isn't "cheating". She admits she's his slave now. If that isn't getting your lover stolen then you're a fucking retard.

Slut.

>>7304360
It depends on how the scenario is framed, but that sounds closer to netori than NTR.

>>7304360

But Yukihime isn't at any point Rance's lover. Certainly not before she fucks pandaman. Rance isn't bothered by used goods either, and he's not emotionally attached to Yukihime before or after conquering her.

The only thing remotely NTR about it is more towards her father, in the sense that he's lost his innocent perception of his little girl.

Kenshin getting taken by someone else would be NTR because she and Rance are both emotionally involved with each other. But that's a different thing altogether.

It's not NTR every time something with a vagina fucks someone other than the protag. That's just being greedy, man.

She is a cartoon. She is not your waifu.

Seriously, if you don't like it. Ctrl.

>>7304365
It's manga. It isn't framed anyway. You don't pick routes and steal a wife. The viewer decides how the work is viewed. If you start putting all types of imaginary self made restrictions then anyone who projects as the person stealing makes the hole genre of netorare non-existent.

>>7304296
I just read the bit about moe and tsundere. I made the earlier reply about netorare. You realize that in the haruhi light novels mikuru is portrayed as moe and described in moe by haruhi and the author? I'm not 100% but I'm like 99.99% sure that louise is also called/described as tsundere too.

>>7304372
No, it's NTR.
Rance wanted to fuck her and is actually trying to fuck her.
You don't have to be lovers for it to be NTR.

>>7304372
I wouldn't describe the game itself as netorare. I completely agree, but _his_ feels may be that of getting his lover stolen so he felt it was netorare.

Like you adore a character and enjoy a certain pairing and if something breaks that pairing it feels like your lover was stolen.

So basically his feels are that of netorare, but the game itself isn't in the netorare genre. The term just means getting your lover stolen. That is very loosely defined. Even recently in the gintama anime they described yamcha getting the girl he liked stolen by vegeta as netorare.

Shitty example, but the term isn't as strict as some believe. It's all about the persons feelings regarding it, even if the material isn't actually prefaced as netorare.

>>7304258

well said...

>>7304386
>It's manga. It isn't framed anyway.
That's not true. For example if the husband is never shown then there's no way you could call it NTR. The fact of the matter is that not all cheating is NTR.

>>7304432
Yes you can easily. You see the wedding ring and she admits she's married it's netorare. Do you understand what the type term of getting your lover stolen means? If someone is married and she becomes another mans cock slave, then yes she's stolen.

This isn't a visual novel where you pick a route and play as a character. You're reading about a wife being taken away from her husband even if the husband isn't shown licking the cum off the floor he still, indeed, getting his wife stolen when she becomes insert xxx's cock slave.

Japanese authors publish tons of material self described as netorare which doesn't fit your tiny criteria. If you pause for 10 seconds and think of the amount of netorare where the "husband" isn't involved then you'll realize you're wrong.(hint: the word husband isn't directly related to netorare and finding out that your lover is stolen isn't a criteria for netorare)


You're not understand how reality works. If your wife is fucking guys behind your back all day and everyday by your logic it isn't even cheating unless the husband finds out....

All I can say is stick with consensual visual novels and don't bother wrapping your head around what netorare means.

I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what NTR means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using NTR as a way of saying "cuckolding" or "fucking someone in a relationship" is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good word that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using NTR.

The true meaning of NTR means that YOU ARE THE PROTAGONIST AND YOUR LOVE INTEREST IS TAKEN FOR YOU. It's ironic, because you think that you're saying you're taking someone else's SO away while you're just, in fact, being cuckolded yourself. Yes, NTR can be used to indicate stories where cuckolding happens, but the main point is that the main character and by extention the reader is the one being cuckolded. The trend of replying with "I'd NTR him/her" is even worse, as it's just plain wrong and only serves to confuse the people who are reading.

The NTR word was never meant to serve as an implied synonym of "fucking her even though she has a boyfriend already"! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of words one would choose for that situation, for example, netori, or just plain whore if the main character is the female who's fucking around.

I want to use NTR, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will think completely different things or something.

this scene makes me so buttangery that I never get the working bee because I just ignore texas so I won't have to see it.

>>7304516
Suck more dick, nerdy weeaboo.

>>7304516

>The true meaning of NTR means that YOU ARE THE PROTAGONIST AND YOUR LOVE INTEREST IS TAKEN FOR [sic] YOU.

I'd expand on this to allow for the reader's propensity to place himself in the protagonist's shoes, but I more or less agree with you. If the reader empathizes with the protagonist, I would argue that the reader can be NTR'd as well.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here or missing something, but from what you posted, you seemed to imply that NTR can only be felt by the protagonist of the work in question and not the reader as well via the fourth wall.

>>7304226
back to yukihime
when she came on, I immediately knew I had to fuck her. I spent hours and hours.. only to get panda..
my pure yukihime... and when it said "a wet sound echoes..."
I fapped so hard

>>7304516
This is some pretty fail copypasta. The term isn't exclusively meant for visual novels like the idiotic writer seems to think. Cuckolding is a fetish for allowing other men to pleasure your lover. Netorare is getting your lover stolen. Netorare and cuckolding aren't actually the same term... This fail writer doesn't even know what the his own languages words mean and he's trying to define netorare. Try learning the basics first, kiddo. Unless you enjoy/jerk when you find out your lover is cheating on you, you aren't a cuckold. If his wife is fucking random blackmen behind his back he isn't a cuckold because of it, but he still experienced netorare. "Cheating" would imply they broke the terms of the relationship which are usually about being in an exclusive 1-1 relationship. So basically they slept with someone once or had a one time stand sorta deal. In english the term is used very loosely since we don't have a term for getting your lovers affection for you stolen away. Cheating is a very loosely defined term compared to netorare and cuckolding and roughly fill either of the two terms.

Netori means you're stealing someone elses lover. Netorare means your lover was stolen. Unless you're playing a visual novel _both_ of these are happening at the same time in any fucking story. If the viewer is projecting as the guy taking the girl to him it's netori. If the guy is projecting that his wife is fucking packs of guys behind his back it's netorare.

You can't "NTR" someone. You can be "NTR'D" if you feel that your lover was taken. I'd still advise against using that term though.


Fuck I went and wrote way too much for this. Seeing idiots use netorare don't even really phase me, but seeing idiots attempt to define the word wrongly annoys the shit out of me. I fap entirely to netorare almost and some retard comes in and defines it in a way that cuts off like 50% of the netorare material.

>>7304565
>imply that NTR can only be felt by the protagonist of the work in question and not the reader as well via the fourth wall
Yes this is what I am trying to say.
Easy example here, you are Rance.
You fucked Nanjou Ran.
As the reader/Rance you felt nothing for Hojo feeling because you are not him. In the blue series, the girls getting fucked are always the girl with the MC aka YOU.

Yeah visual novels are the only medium with protagonists.

>>7304623
>You can't "NTR" someone.
what if a girl character likes the male character but he fucks a different girl?

Netori:
Netori are games where the protagonist steals the lover or wife/husband of someone else.

NTR=/= netori

>>7304657
>The true meaning of NTR means that YOU ARE THE PROTAGONIST AND YOUR LOVE INTEREST IS TAKEN FOR YOU

See that part? it's completely wrong. Literally NTR aka netorare means your lover was stolen. What the fuck are you doing adding that extra shit that isn't true? You use cuckolding wrong repeatedly too. They actually don't have the same meaning They're both completely different, they only overlap in the sense that 1% of guys will actually enjoy watching their lover fuck some guy.

Japs don't got a term for cheating like in English. Cuckolding and cheating don't fit the term netorare. Netorare can be experienced emotionally even if the object of your affection doesn't into a relationship with you.

>>7304687
I think it's reverse netorare in English and something else in Japanese. I remember reading about it but forgot since I don't even glance at those kinda stories.

I think you can still call it netorare since "lover" can be defined as female or male in English but in Japanese it puts the emphasis on wife/girlfriend more.Sorry I can't give you better details.

>>7304694
I know everyone on /jp/ can only focus on visual novels but netorare and netori happen at the same time in reality and every other story medium. She has to be someones lover in the first place for her to get stolen. If you're describing what you're doing there is an important difference. If you're playing a character in a visual novel it's important. if you're reading a doujinshi and you're stressing over it then haven't actually realized as she's getting "taken" she's being "taken" someone else and you need to reexamine your poor definition.

How do beat this?
Is it even possible with my current troops?

>>7304729

can it be done?

>>7304556
Why are you replying to a modified copypasta? Get out newfriend.

>>7304729
use natori
try to assassinate someone with suzume
be careful that you don't die to the musketeer when the front row goes down

>>7304729
Rance, Shibata, Ranmaru (Himiko if she has Guard Cancel)
Suzume, Natori, Isoroku (I hope you at least have penetration)

Don't kill the entire front row.

>>7304753
Or I should say, don't kill the entire front row if the Musket unit can get an action in before the battle ends.

>>7304753
i've tried that combo so many times, can't get past the front row

>>7304752
assassinate never fucking works on any of them

>>7304764
Keep save scumming until it does.

Or invest in Isoroku until she Whirlwind Shot.

1) Rance will never deflower Yukihime. Her 2 options are to be fucked by the Tengu bro and to run off to another domain to become a sex slave for random douchebags when that house collapses.

2) Like any other used goods, she's not important. Focus on who you CAN deflower and recruit tengubro into your team because he's an expendable shitwrecker and you can send him off against the demon army without caring if he dies.

3) Also recruit that ninjafag from Hara's territory; he can make conquering Iga a snap (purple event to take the land without a battle) and he's also a badass in his own right. If you send him into a battle alone he'll sacrifice his life and you automatically win that fight.

fuck damn shit cunt

>>7304774
you mean increase her troops?
or is there some other way to grind that i'm not aware off

>>7304784
When characters max out their affection meters, they "level up". That allows you to teach them new skills among other things.

Is Mario NTR then?

ASLOJFGOJHOGCV

>>7304729
>how to beat

-Get a monk with guard cancel to take down baldy. Plenty of options available.

-Leave one of the front row foot soldiers barely alive so you don't have to deal with the gunfags in the back.

-Use archers or miko storm to cause damage to the back row so you can tilt the slider your way.

-Upgrade Rance (satisfaction bonus) to get Rance attack so he can attack baldy. It uses all of his turns but causes heavy damage to the target and doesn't allow the enemy to counterattack.

-If you want 100% annihilation, your best bet is to use Suzume's assassination bonus on the back row gun unit.

obviously the best strategy is with 3 back row tacticians spamming rating up

>>7304809
Is there a way to make the monk attack first, because my warriors attacks then i can guard cancel but by then its their turn again

This is the only scene that made me rage.
And the worst is , I fap to this kind of shit.

FUCKKKKK YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

No one ever posts Yukihime's good scenes where she falls in love with Rance, makes food for him everyday, and eventually is unafraid to directly tell Rance she loves him, causing him to become speechless.

>Oh yeah, did you guys also know that Tada gave Yukihime the honor of being Rance's first fuck of the new year?

Whats the advantage of demanding surrender, compared to complete takeover?

>>7304226
sorry but what is this?

I didn't know it was summer over at /jp/ too.

>>7304934
Men at Work 2

>>7304921
The only times I've ever demanded surrender are if I want to form a barrier between myself and something and the demon army or the Shimazus. Once I vassal'd the Tanukis because I wanted to catch them all and was being frustrated but I needed to move on to the Ran route quickly so I decided to just deal with them later.

Otherwise you get free troops randomly during battles from your vassal state, kinda like how Kenshin will sometimes randomly appear during battles.

>>7304894
>Yoshikage still standing
Damn that fag is tough.

>>7304921
Less fighting to do, have backup units show up in battles, most of the benefits of conquering, interesting surrender-only scenes, probably plenty more. I had the Tokugawa house surrender, it unlocked several special events for taking advantage of them which also got me some cool stuff. Then later when I was fighting the Takeda house they stood back up and declared war so I was able to conquer them outright and see the assassination events which are necessary for clearing gun-chan.

>>7304934
Sengoku Rance, find it on Hongfire using the Google.

>>7305021
This is a really good idea for keeping Shimazu from stampeding over your land.

is it possible to vassalize texas before yukihime can whore herself out?

>>7305066
I forget. I think I managed at one point but all that came of it was that Yukihime was forgotten entirely and had no further events. Also on my most recent playthrough the option to do so never even showed up.

People who are fine with what Rance is doing to other women and then get a fit when someone else does something similar disgust me.

>>7304921
You save time. And in restricted games such as 5 stars without spending any bonuses it's the only way to grab lands quickly. And by quickly I mean actually getting Ise earlier then turn 14.

Are there any sure fire ways to get the popularity staff at turn 20?

>>7305289
I think you can unlock it in ffa mode. I have it on the list somehow and that's the only place I've ever gotten it. your other option is to do absolutely nothing for 20 turns. pay the tax to ashikaga shit but don't do anything else.

>>7305236
There is a difference between giving girls some dickings yourself and letting some other guy insert his smelly penis into the girl's vagina.

>>7305336
You're not Rance.

>>7304906
someone explain the 2nd part please
also, do we ever get yukihime scenes on the fuck random girl in rances harem option?

>>7305053
>yoshikage still standing

that fags only alive because of his gay heal, he can easily recover more than half his troops in one turn

Who gives a shit, Rance does that the entire fucking game, and now it happens to you and you feel terrible?

The game has a shitty premise from the get go, and it had to take the tables being turned for you to notice.

Itt: pay to win: the game.

should i recruit yoshikage?

the best NTR is yet to come

>>7305342
That's not how protagonists characters work. Even guys who play Shirou sympathize with him and his goals. What you're saying isn't as simple as lol you're not that dude don't care. You're playing the thing in the guy's shoes ffs.

>>7305359
We don't feel terrible. Just rage. The goal is for Rance to do the blackmail sex or raping or consensual sex, not for others to do so.

And Rance isn't a monstrosity who could give you a misshapen child if you get pregnant. He also won't injure the woman to the point of death.

So no, there's a difference in these things. It's not the same.

>>7305423
Recruiting him allows you to save Yukihime and clear her. (Her character clear is very cute.) Clearing him also increases your National Power by a large amount.

>>7305475
no CG

>>7305487
Dude, just read the text.

>>7305492
I wanted more Yukihime CGs. Happy consensual sex CGs.. ;_;

>>7305495
I wanted one for Senhime too, but we can't get what does not exist.

kinda disappointed how they just used the same CG and just swapped the panda guy with faceless guys

>>7305522
the problem was Yuki wasnt a main story heroine. there was no route for her and she isnt sill or suzume. I wished there was though. I didnt like both Sill and Suzume

>didnt like both Sill and Suzume

Well okay Sill is kind of boring but...

>Suzume

What. She would have probably be the most fun in bed. If she didnt stick a poison pill in her vagina when I penetrate her.

Where should i send reinforcements from leazus or zeth.

I'm leaning towards zeth

>>7305550
Preferably both as you get girls and scenes from both.. but Zeth first.

>>7305557
ahh thanks

>>7305550
Both 3 times. Fuck bitches to get Rance's satisfaction up and don't get anything else until you're done calling them. After you get all 6 get Rance attack.

Once you get maria you can get her to bring out another engineer; then you'll have 2. Aside from being like musket troops with better range, they also have very good construction abilities. Have these two work together and buff up your national power like crazy, then you can have a fuckton of troops in your most important units.

>Rance

Who translated this, and why on Earth did he not go with the obvious romanization of "Lance"?

>>7307086
DUNNO LOL

Because "Rance" is the title of the series numbnuts.

Not even written in kana, written in English

>>7307090
Because

>>7307100
>written in English

We call that Engrish, actually. There is no such word as rance in English, but there is lance.

>>7307244
It's his fucking NAME you fucking jackass.

>>7307244
Sure but there's no such thing as Escaflowne either and I bet you're ok with fantasy writers who used that one eh?

>>7305473
>That's not how protagonists characters work. Even guys who play Shirou sympathize with him and his goals. What you're saying isn't as simple as lol you're not that dude don't care. You're playing the thing in the guy's shoes ffs.

You are being idiotically simplistic and limited.

Seeing a story from somebody's point of view doesn't immediately mean you must agree with that someone. You are an idiot if you think POV automatically constricts someone's judgement. Many authors precisely make use of the preconceived notion that the guy you are watching is "right" to mess with your head by purposedly making him hard to agree with. Likewise, many poor authors abuse that same preconception and make assholes that they pretend you should like but fail to do so, like Eragon.

Also, you are scrambling to defend Rance by bringing up OTHER unrelated people. Panda guy makes Yukihime his wife and isn't particularly sadistic. While other rapists are necessarily over the top violent to make Rance seem good in comparison, the only thing this has going against him is that he's ugly. Otherwise, he's a fairly regular political marriage situation with good deal more decent motive than Rance himself.

You are raging at him making Yukihime his wife in exchange of an alliance, while defending the guy who goes to war with her country to fuck her a couple of times and leaving her. Rance is a great deal better than most of the other enemies because the world is built to be like that, but going back to your idiotic definition of what a main character is supposed to be, the fact that you scramble to defend him even in fairly shitty situations like these shows that you're projecting too much into him.

You're not Rance, and Rance can be an asshole a lot of tmes.

>>7305457
Nope nope nope.

>>7307248
>>7307245

No it's engrish. Japanese people don't care if a foreign name is correct when they romanize it. A medium meal at macdonalds in Japan is called an imu saizu.

>>7307885
Are you daft or what? It's his given name. He does not come from an English-speaking place, his name needs not confirm to English conventions. That's like claiming Kayblis and Rudo Ratowm shouldn't be called anything because no English word matches the incomprehensible trainwreck that is their names.

>>7307885
What are you even on about?
His name is Rance. End of story.

>>7307853
>he's a fairly regular political marriage situation with good deal more decent motive than Rance himself.
Now that's just stupid. The ENTIRE country is in a state of war. It's a period of warring states. Sooner or later someone is going to fight someone else.

Everyone basically praises Rance at the end of the series for uniting JAPAN, something that many of them thought was impossible, which is the reason they detested war.

And again, politically, if you're going to excuse the monk fucking Yuki, then you HAVE to excuse Rance trying to have sex with Yuki instead of the DA destroying everyone else or other countries just warring for the sake of warring.

And again, he's an ugly fuck that even Yuki was disgusted at. She actually falls for Rance. Rance was actually open to peace with Asai so long as he fucks Yuki, but you know what happens.

Again, Rance is much better than a lot of characters because he only thinks about sex and isn't sadistic going about it.

The main reason again is because you play as Rance. Yes, you aren't Rance. But at the same time, he's the MC. You play him. Like how people would sympathize with other MCs like Shirou, Takeru, Rouga or Shitman, it is NATURAL to sympathize with Rance since you see the game in his eyes.

The fact that you're ignoring it just because "lol everyone can have their own opinions vs the MC's" is fucking stupid. Because that is more often than not the way it goes when you play eroge, sympathizing with the MC.

>>7308190
And again, I'm not saying Rance isn't an asshole. He is. But that doesn't mean you can't sympathize with the guy even when he's not you. Like with other MCs, it is NATURAL to sympathize with him.

>>7308190
Yeah, I kind of see that. It's the same as when I kind of rage when Rin gets married to another guy in Heaven's Feel. I know I'm not Shirou and Rin has a right to do what she needs to extend the Tohsaka bloodline, but yeah.

>>7308234
i dont remember that part on heaven feel, can you explain it?

>>7308203
I can't sympathize with Rance at all, because I'm an unattractive virgin with a small penis.

>>7308245
Heaven's Feel Normal. Rin has little Tohsakas roaming around.

Dungeon rush or dungeon farm?

Is farming even worth the effort?

>>7308265
I only farm Orochi's dungeon. If I need bones, I also farm the Hades dungeon. I mostly finish everything else after Honnouji where I get Kou as a character and have a 30 captain roster already so everyone levels up. I do finish about 2 dungeons or so in preparation for the mid boss fight in Honnouji.

>>7308190
>Now that's just stupid. (...) Sooner or later someone is going to fight someone else.

Now THAT's just stupid. WIth the same logic, you can excuse Xavier himself becaus "It's a country of warrying states". No, you can't. "Somebody else would have" isn't an excuse for anything.

>And again, politically, if you're going to excuse the monk fucking Yuki, then you HAVE to excuse Rance trying to have sex with Yuki

Why? He's the passive force here. None of this would have happened had Rance not attacked. Sure, somebody else eventually would have gone at war with them, but then it would have been somebody else's fault. It doesn't excuse Rance going to war with them for an exceedingly petty reason.

On the same token, if you agree with Rance, you most definitely can't disagree with the monk dude at all. If you rage at it, you are a total hypocrite.

>And again, he's an ugly fuck that even Yuki was disgusted at. She actually falls for Rance.

So she's petty and superficial.

>Rance was actually open to peace with Asai so long as he fucks Yuki, but you know what happens.

How is this a plus over a guy who didn't attack Asai at all?

>The fact that you're ignoring it just because "lol everyone can have their own opinions vs the MC's" is fucking stupid. Because that is more often than not the way it goes when you play eroge, sympathizing with the MC.

That's your entire argument: "He's the MC so you have to sympathize with him". That's not an argument at all here. You can't spin this situation in any way that makes the monk look worse than Rance since they both wanted one thing yet Rance is the one who started a war to get it and the other one just reacted to an oportunity.

The fact that you keep grasping at straws by bringing in other conflicts shows how desperate you are to paint him in a good light because you're projecting too much into him and thus must scramble to make him look good even when he clearly doesn't.

>>7308721
No. You can't excuse Xavier because he's committing complete genocide of the Japanese while making them suffer throughout their entire existence. You know that. Your analogy doesn't make any sense.
>Asai
>passive force
No. He was fomenting a coup d'etat in Uesugi with that evil Kensei, trying to ally with the Ashikaga, and depending on the events, it's Ashikaga that declares war on Oda for Rance touching his daughter's breasts.

So you're wrong on this account as well. And again, I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying. Rance does the same thing to Ran. But who gives a fuck about hypocrisy, what I'm saying is it's more natural to give the MC a break since you're playing in his shoes. The only ones who give a fuck are retards who have sticks up their asses.
>So she's petty and superficial.
Yes, and?
>How is this a plus over a guy who didn't attack Asai at all?
And attacking Asai is a minus? It's a period of warring states. Again, sooner or later, the Asai will have to fight. Either with the Mouri or the Takeda or even Uesugi which are fiercely warlike and independent.
>last argument
I called Rance an asshole. Nobody's bringing him into a better light, you fucking moron.

But it's more natural to sympathize with the MC because (PRECISELY BECAUSE) he's the fucking MC. You will almost always excuse his crap compared to others in the game. And again, he's mostly vanilla in comparison to the other fuckasses in the game since he's funny about it and can relatively be controlled.

I'm not trying to make the monk look worse. I'm trying to tell you the reason why a lot of people will just not give a fuck if Rance does it. The fact that you are again ignoring it and setting up a lot of red herrings is double retarded.

>>7309143
>it's Ashikaga that declares
No, I meant Asai.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>7309543
You will go to hell for posting that image, son.

>>7309543
>>7309547

>mfw I couldn't do anything to stop that from happening

>>7309543
>>7309547

>mfw I couldn't do anything to stop that from happening

>>7309543
I already knew that was going to happen and it still pissed me off when it did. The first thing I did after that was to go after Xavier. I didn't even need to prepare.

>>7309562
Sure you can, kill the monkey route, Isoroku route ... which is actually worse, I don't remember what else. Does she get raped in Ran route? I don't think so. In fact I'm thinking she only gets raped in true.

>>7309578
What? Seriously? I will fucking replay this whole thing if I can avoid that.

Yukihime only bothered me because girls with long blue hair are my favorite. Shes pretty much a throwaway character though, so no big deal. Her "ending" with the bandits was kind of funny.

>>7309578
>>7309584
I think she is raped to death in Ran and Isoroku's routes, but it's been a while since I played SR so I may be wrong.

>>7309578
that monkey is so dead

>>7304226
the only reason that scene was so rageworthy was because i remember seeing scenes of her being a loving and caring princess and thought "i'm gonna rape and corrupt her" but then this fag shows up and turns her into a slut before i could

>>7309724
Same here, bro. lol

>>7304258
>The whole thing is a story about completely despoiling delusions of purity in a spoiled daughter and her delusional father. It's NTR to the extreme.
>misuse of NTR

This is how GAR died.

>>7310263

GAR was never funny anyway.

>>7310263

The rage and jealousy a father feels when his daughter is fucked by some random jackass is similar to the one you feel when your lover is taken from you. The same emotion is created. While it's not by the strictest standards an instance of someone having their lover taken from them, the emotions of the involved characters are similar enough that a comparison can be drawn to the familiar term of NTR.

It's faster than having to spend a paragraph or two describing it and then having someone say "so it's basically like NTR but for her daddy."

But go ahead and nitpick senselessly.

You jelly /jp/?

>>7310270
It wasn't supposed to be funny.

>>7313381
That scene was so awkward...