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Seems Yuugi is abdorable.

The mountain queen can't get fat.

i want to taste it too

>>7247144

Booze is full of calories, though.

>>7247144
She doesn't have orbs to protect her from that.

>>7247151
It seems to go to all the right places though

FUCK YEAH YUUGI THREAD!

>>7246979
How can she wear a hat when she has that horn?

>>7247663

"I am the horn of my hat..."

>>7247723

>>7247731

It's not the hat on the outside that counts. It's the hat on the inside.

FUCK YEAH ONIS

Yuugi may not wear a hat on her head, but she still wears a huge hat... in her heart.

Or somewhere around that general area.

>>7247742
Do the Oni ever get jealous of anything humanity possesses that they don't?

>>7247773
Immunity to beans.

Has the fandom officially recognised Kasen as an oni, or are they still waiting for a horn reveal?

>>7247786

Other than that, possibly creativity. Oni don't really ever invent anything, or have any unique cultural traits.

Essentially the same tendencies you see a lot in modern sci-fi and fantasy - when you pick separate stories out of folklore, they often reflect the culture of their time.

>>7247798
There's no ''official'' in fanon, it just depends on whether or not people feel like making pics of a fad, which could maybe only be done by a few people or just for a short time.

It'll still be an excuse to add Kongara into pictures though.

>>7247798

If the case of precedence (see pic) is any indication, the chances are however fairly high. For better or for worse, come what may, knock on wood.

If a character with hairbuns is suggested to be an oni, she is better considered an oni until proven otherwise.

>>7247806

They are immume to beans. Dialogue between Aya and Patchouli confirmed that.
They are perfect besides a single weakness.
It's probably tied together with them never resorting to lying or trickery.


>creativity, invent anything, unique cultural traits
They top humans in every one of those terms...
The uncultured dumb bastards of Gensokyo, the orcs of the Touhouverse if you want, are still humans while the three great races,oni->tengu->kappa, in that order, are the most sophisticated according to Zun.

>>7247877
[citation needed]

Also kappas are the most sophisticated, they make lotsa shit every day.

>>7247886
Yeah, but are they smart enough to paint it red to make it go faster?

>>7247886
We need more kappa science in the games.
Where are my Touhoustbusters proton packs and traps?

Humans don't have any strange weaknesses and breed much quicker than Yokai of most sorts.

Yokai can suddenly keel over because the stepped on a rock loaded with silver or another earth metal.

Humans are simple to a tee and thats why in the future they'll outdo the other races.

Heck a current humans body is so filled with foreign poison it would probably kill a weaker yokai to even touch us.

>>7247877

Not really. Mythologically, oni haven't invented anything other than the kanabo, depending where you draw the line between invention and design. Their culture otherwise mirrors the visible parts of human culture at the time. Even the classic oni dress of tigerskin loincloth is derived from human culture - the "demon gate" of Japanese cosmology is supposed to be to the Northeast, the "cow-tiger" direction.
Oni aren't one of the great races because they are a sophisticated people, but because they are intelligent apex predators.

>>7247908
When you can do absolutely anything you want with an iron club, why invent anything else?

>>7247886
The first part is in BAiJP the second in some prologue/afterword thing where Zun goes about how youkai who still know how to enjoy life aka consume luxury goods a lot, are superior to dumb little humans and other Zunlogic.

>>7247911

"Oni with kanabo"...
Basically there is nothing an oni would want dead that it couldn't kill with its bare hands.

>>7247908
We are speaking of Oni in the Touhouverse here.
Here they belong to the most sophisticated races.

>>7247907
They are fragile enough that the dragon god had to make sure the youkai don't consume them entirely.

>>7247911
Ask cavemen.

>>7247912
You mean vampires like Remilia that live in a fancy mansion? That's not what you were referring to, you said humans were uncultured, when it's the youkai who are either living as savages in the forest or bringing foreign cultures into Gensokyo. Not that it's a bad thing, but it's uncultured from Gensokyo's stand point of view.

>>7247930

Yes, this is why Touhou oni are all refugees living in seclusion in former hell...

They are a great race, but sophistication has nothing to do with it.

>>7247930
Ahh but that was before we got smart to the whole we're fucked if they're on top thing.

Who do you think came up with the whole danmaku thing?

Humans are the rules lawyers of gensokyo, slowly finding a way to break the system without the powerful youkai knowing. Then one day when all the truly powerful yokai are sealed or subdued in a way that keeps them content, man will be like "hey did you realize how awesome we" are and the yokai will be like "fuck".

>>7247936
No, I meant The Oni, Tengu and Kappa. He explicitely mentioned them.
They are the most cultured and wisest races of Gensokyo.

>>7247951
>Who do you think came up with the whole danmaku thing

Yukari came up with it, the sage youkai approved of it and Reimu enforced it.
Oh, did I mention that basically the rules were made to protect the youkai from themselves?

>>7247962
>protect the youkai from themselves?

Okay when they kill eachother we'll be the cockroaches eating their bones.

>>7247942
>Yes, this is why Touhou oni are all refugees living in seclusion in former hell...

They gave up on humans because they were beyond help and settled in the Ancient City...not the other way round.

>>7247973
Maybe if the rules weren't made. Still unlikely since the humans would go down with the youkai without anybody supporting the border.

The rules were made so the youkai can stay in shape by fighting the shrine maiden without risking to destroy the Great Hakurei Barrier.

>>7247962
>Yukari came up with it, the sage youkai approved of it and Reimu enforced it.

Balls I say. You just pulled that out of your ass.

The book specifically mentions Reimu doing the rules with the aid of ''another youkai'', no sage youkai or any of that shit, the reason being her having done an agreement with the leader of the vampires (not Remilia).

The reason it can't be Yukari is that it would counter the fact that PCB was the first time that Reimu met Yukari.

>>7247978

It's a different way to word it, but it isn't a different thing. People figured out easier ways to kill them, so they got up and left.

>>7247962
>protect youkai from themselves

I thought it was because the vampires that rampaged the humans were scared shitless of Reimu?

>>7247978
I like how people post baseless things hoping that others will believe them.

Yukari says in SA that the oni were forced by someone else to leave the surface, either humans or youkai.

>>7248000
>agreement with the leader of the vampires

That's a completely different agreement than the spell card rules. You got mixed up here.

Revision:
It was high likely proposed by Yukari, be it direct or not. Approved by sage youkai. Enforced by Reimu.

Just read the section in PMiSS and the afterword.

>>7248028
> forced
Yuugi seems quite happy with the arrangement and implied that most of them are. There seems to be nothing *stopping* the oni from returning to the surface, hence why Aya and Nitori were shitting bricks at the thought of it, and Yuugi's chat with Suika indicates that 'sages' were responsible for enabling them to move to the underground, which they like more than they did the mountain.

>>7248028
>"Unlike humans who might resort to self-extermination, but because they were not too pleased with the way in which the societies of Gensokyo had become so carefree, they simply went to a different world that nobody knew of."
Don't spread shit, secondary.

>>7248028
I'm pretty sure you can even find that "gave up on humans" literally in the touhou works.

>>7248054
>It was high likely proposed by Yukari, be it direct or not. Approved by sage youkai.

There's no mention of this anywhere. Also Yukari isn't behind every single little tidbit that happens in Gensokyo, just so you know. I actually thought it was her at first but later I realized the paradox it would make.

And, it's the same contract, not a different one, look here:

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Reimu_Hakurei

In case you are too lazy to search or are going to use ye old trick of ignoring evidence, here's quotes for you:

>She was eventually able to disperse this rebellion by defeating the powerful vampire and establishing a contract of behavior prohibiting various actions.
>...
>The result of this were the spell card rules, which allowed duelists to (seemingly) stake their lives in individual combat (*4).

What's not to be happy about? They got a neat cave without any unhealthy legendary hero infestation, something that resembles a country and common nation for a change, plenty of drinking and the only outsiders who ever come down bring a good fight.
Granted, the neighbours are somewhat dubious even from an oni perspective, but you got to expect that when you buy a place in former hell.

>>7248107
>There's no mention of this anywhere
Yuugi explicitly says that 'sages' are responsible for the oni's emigration. Certainly doesn't specify Yukari is responsible, and I think that's taking too much liberty with her words, but Yukari is frequently described as a 'sage'.

>>7248107
No, your mixing up some shit.

The devils contract(!) that includes rules as the vampires are only to feed on humans who died of suicide etc in the outside world, is NOT the story about the spell card rules.

The spell card rules exist because you-know-who proposed it and the influental youkai agreed to using such rules.

The devils contract exists because you-know-who beat the shit out of the vampires.

"They went on a rampage when they first appeared in Gensokyo, lost against powerful youkai, and a settlement was reached as they finally made a contract (*2).

The details of this contract are that the youkai will offer them humans from which to feed (*3); in return, the vampires will not attack humans living in Gensokyo.

2: A devil's contract is absolute, thus one can never betray it.
3: It's said they are outside humans whose deaths are of no consequence (suicides, etc.)"

>Humans sealed off Gensokyo and Youkai from the outside world

kicked their ass

>>7248121
You're quoting the wrong person, I was talking about the spellcard rules, not the onis' emigration.

>>7248222
No, that's a different contract that was made by Reimu right before she made the draft. Look I'll show you a screen of it where it says the beating up of the vampire is related to the creation of the spellcard rules.

Even if it doesn't show the step-by-step crafting of the rules, it does prove my point that the events are related, and that Yukari couldn't have been included.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Draft_of_Spell_Card_Rules

It suggests that a youkai was proposing the rules to Reimu, obviously the ''suggests'' is most likely an an actual affirmation. Since it's mentioned on a different article than the vampire one, the vampire leader isn't out of the question (he's also a youkai), but as said before, it couldn't have been Yukari due to a paradox.

>>7248259

Yes, I read that. But have you read the Vampire article?

They are two different agreements.

First one:
SDM incident. Remilia. Spell card rules who were suggested by someone, probably Yukari by gapping that scrap of paper into Reimu's lap. Or some other influental youkai.
The agreement is made so youkai can fight without shit happening. Everybody agrees.

Second one:
Vampires first come to Gensokyo. They kill people. A powerful YOUKAI beats them. A devils contract is established and YOUKAI agree to feed the newcomers with blood from outside people.Guess who the only one to be able to pull that of is.

>>7248326
I never denied the fact that there wasn't more than one contract, hell I even said it in my previous post that they were different ones.

Now, you're referring to a different contract, there are 3 of them, the latter two could be the same if the ''rules set by Reimu'' were to morph into the spellcard draft as her article suggests.

>She was eventually able to disperse this rebellion by defeating the powerful vampire and establishing a contract of behavior prohibiting various actions.

I'm referring that THIS contract is related to the spellcard rules, there may have been a confusion between us since both contracts are related to ''beat the shit out of vampires then settling a peace agreement''.

>>7248353
My bad, I meant ''I never denied the fact that there was more than one contract''.

>>7248222
>>7248259
>>7248326
>>7248353

You each need a beer.

>>7248353

>the reason being her having done an agreement with the leader of the vampires (not Remilia).

This is the reason we had an argument.
Reimu never made an agreement with some "leader" of vampires. There isn't even a leader.

The contract you were thinking of was the one with the powerful youkai and the resulting devils contract.
You got mixed up.

Also, the one in Reimu's PMiSS refers to the SDM incident. There are only two agreements including the vampires. One which "voluntary" and in agreement with all influental youkai and one which is rather forced and only with the vampire race.

>>7248396
Of course she did make an agreement, I called him the leader of the vampires because he was the one who ''amassed a great number of subordinates''. How can you deny it?

>It was into this situation that a powerful youkai from outside, a vampire, appeared, and quickly amassed a great number of subordinates.
>She was eventually able to disperse this rebellion by defeating the powerful vampire and establishing a contract of behavior prohibiting various actions.

It's right bloody there. It's not the SDM incident because this happened BEFORE the spellcard rules were made.

>The shrine maiden, who was also tiring of a peaceful daily life with no out-of-the-ordinary occurrences, agreed to the youkai point of view that some battles were necessary.
>The result of this were the spell card rules, which allowed duelists to (seemingly) stake their lives in individual combat (*4).

The SDM was the first incident to use the spellcard system, there's no way it could have been this agreement since it ''would later become the spellcard draft'' and there couldn't have been a spellcard duel without the draft.

Then again, that same page contradicts itself so I can't base myself properly and I can't counter you properly either. Either that or the next sentence refers to the after-incident.

>/jp/ claims to hate the shit out of Japan.

>>7248514
Yea and /v/ claims to talk about video games.

>>7248514
But we never said we dislike Gensokyo, which requires us to look into a bit of Japanese folklore helpfully described into the Touhou wiki instead of us actually having to lurk on Wikipedia or some other site.

It's bonus info.

>>7248436

Dude, it's talking about Remilia and her fairy squad. Remilia was the one who amassed them. How can you be so dense?

That incident IS the SDM incident.

I don't have time to re-translate every word for you.