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It made sense if you're crazy.

>>7100065

How so?
It was foreshadowed, hinted and goes well with Beato character.

>>7100065

It made sense if you are autist.

What I don't get is why /jp/ doesn't get it then.

What's wrong with planning innocent fake murder mysteries?

>>7100096

That faggots won't admit they were fake.

>>7100096

Do you understand that, even if they were, it didn't change shit for PLAYER BATTLER? You know, the character inside the story which family had been massacred over and over and sister was turned into burger.

He apologized to her because she's a sad, pitiable person with a lot of defect and who life and fate was manipulated in strange ways.

>>7100065

Are you implying /jp/ is not crazy?

>mfw Yasu only ever killed the adults and the servants deaths were never stated in red

Looks like this is a good a thread as there could be to post this.

>>7100112
>Do you understand that, even if they were, it didn't change shit for PLAYER BATTLER?
That's why she wants to bring everyone to golden land, that's the whole main plot of Umineko

and he apologized because nothing would have happened if he remember promise

>>7100606
Yeah, because you can live with your neck sliced open, like Nanjo and Kumasawa in ep2, for example.

I don't even hate Yasu. I can't muster up any emotion for that piece of shit excuse for a villain, or tragic hero, or what the fuck R07 thought he was trying to make out of her.

Oldschool Beato got genuine hate out of me. Evatrice too. Yasu? Yasu is such a shit character that she isn't even worthy of contempt.

>>7100634

No, she doesn't.
Beato wanted to be solved and understood, she never intended to win

>>7100650
>Yeah, because you can live with your neck sliced open, like Nanjo and Kumasawa in ep2, for example.

Ep VI victims did

Poeple that hate Yasu completely ignore most of her character prior to ep VI for some reason

They completely downplay her suffering

/jp/ hates Yasu because she's like them

I've been thinking
given how the acting roles, Shannon/Kanon can be stated "dead" in red, can't all the other deaths be just acting roles?

For instance, [red]"Kumasawa is dead" in EP3, couldn't it just mean she never died, but played the role of "dead victim" to the end of the game. Exceptions would be all the "Earth to earth" answers.

>>7100700
What suffering?
You are completely deluded.

>>7100706

I'm pretty sure nobody remotely like Yasu has ever existed in real life.

That's one of the countless weaknesses of that character. She's completely made-up.

In my opinion Yasu could have got over herself and everything but she was to busy masturbating to closed rooms and gingers to learn common sense.

>>7100700
>Poeple that hate Yasu completely ignore most of her character prior to ep VI for some reason

Yasu has no character before episode 7. He didn't even exist as anything but a series or roles he played before then.

>They completely downplay her suffering

While having your genitals destroyed is a bad thing and all, every other problem in Yasu's life came out of how, to use technical terms, he was a huge retard.

>>7100732
>Yasu has no character before episode 7. He didn't even exist as anything but a series or roles he played before then.

Ok, you pretty much proved my point, thank you

>>7100694
Who said wanting to bring everyone to golden land is winning?

EP1-4 - She wants Battler to understand her and reunite in golden land
EP5-6 - Battler finally understands her and carry out her wish
EP7 - Aftermath of their story, answering the mysteries
EP8 - Epilogue, wrapping up Ange's subplot

>>7100720
>I'm pretty sure nobody remotely like Yasu has ever existed in real life.

Exactly. But she doesn't. So I can like her as much as I want as fictional character because Umineko as a whole is fucking fiction, it doesn't matter if she killed a whole country because her pony, it's fiction.

>>7100651
>Oldschool Beato got genuine hate out of me. Evatrice too.

Hating oldschool Beato and Evatrice? For God sake, man, who gave you that shit-taste?!

>>7100720
>I'm pretty sure nobody remotely like Yasu has ever existed in real life.

A coward with an imaginary world that like to play with imaginary friends in his her head and costanty hides her power level.

Yeah, no one.

>>7100713
>What suffering?

Did you guys skip all the scenes with Kanon, Shannon and Beato?

Yasu is a fucking dramawhore

Yasu is the pitiable victim of it all

>>7100763

You have to be pretty damn selective if you get that out of Yasu.

I got "fantastically rich eunuch living in a paradise island with his psychopathic relatives and mentally fucked up servants who for no real reason wants people to 'recognize' him without having to actually tell people he exists like some kind of a stealth rapper, who then through a series of absurd contrivances and fuckups manages to get nearly everybody killed when literally all of this could have been avoided if he just came clean and fucking TOLD PEOPLE WHO HE IS".

Fuck, I have an actual history of mental disorders in the real world, and I wasn't that fucked in the brain.

>>7100771

WHAT. SUFFERING?

Be very fucking specific what the fuck is this supposed fucking suffering that we should fucking give a fuck about, you fuck.

>>7100771
I read them carefully.
I only saw a dramawhore.

>>7100790

Well, I got it simpler:

Pathetic bullied kid kills everyone.

It happens a lot in America, it shouldn't be that hard to picture.

>>7100696
What? No, they didn't.
And if you mean ep5, then Erika didn't see them, but Battler in ep2 did and clearly.

>>7100804
Except she wasn't really bullied.
You don't what real bullying is.

>who for no real reason wants people to 'recognize' him without having to actually tell people he exists like some kind of a stealth rapper

Can anyone explain this part to me in a way that makes the least bit of sense?

If Yasu is such a glutton for attention, why the fuck does he not simply appear as himself instead of always cosplaying as Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice/Light/Santa Claus? Why is he so adamant about people having to figure out that he exists while he simultaneously _does everything possible to conceal that fact_?

Other than, y'know, that he's insane?

>>7100804
Ange got bullied, Yasu just got neglected.

>>7100797

Every fucking scene with Shannon and Kanon are her.
Her forniture complex, her inability to love, all of those are her.

>>7100720
>I'm pretty sure nobody remotely like Yasu has ever existed in real life.

?

>>7100790
>mentally fucked up servants who for no real reason wants people to 'recognize' him without having to actually tell people he exists like some kind of a stealth rapper
Did you missed the part about her being a mistress's child, Kinzo's previous incident, her normal life at the moment and the part where they were specifically told to keep it a secret?
>all of this could have been avoided if he just came clean and fucking TOLD PEOPLE WHO HE IS".
No it wouldn't, she already revealed her identity in the previous games, it would only be stopped if Battler remembers promise, parents stop being greedy, and/or if she have chosen a different method to make Battler understand her.

>>7100842
If she only knew

>>7100833

And what fucking part about that is the suffering part?

Seriously. That's not fucking suffering. That's mild inconvenience. That's like saying if the milk you poured in your coffee had gone bad and ruined the coffee with a disgusting gooey mess is "suffering".

Yasu has, from what we have been shown, exactly one bad experience in his entire life. one. His junk got ruined in the fall when he was a baby. Now, that is an extremely bad thing, I'd be upset too if my junk got ruined. Might even go insane. But that's it. And in no way does everything he does follow even semi-logically out of his ruined junk.

There is literally nothing stopping Yasu from forming friendships with Jessica and Battler and Fatboy and Maria and every non-asshole character in the series with his own name.

>>7100842

Jesus, this is some great trolling right her

>>7100846
>No it wouldn't, she already revealed her identity in the previous games, it would only be stopped if Battler remembers promise, parents stop being greedy, and/or if she have chosen a different method to make Battler understand her.

Idiotic contrivances. There's no logical requirement for any of those.

>>7100854
>And what fucking part about that is the suffering part?

I don't know, having a body that can't love, having gender disorder and the inability to love someone at the fullest.

But it's not only that. Her internal conflict as Shannon and Kanon? Her role as the golden witch and her love for Battler?

It's easy to say "snap out of it" from an outsider perspective.

>>7100865
>But it's not only that. Her internal conflict as Shannon and Kanon? Her role as the golden witch and her love for Battler?

There is NO GODDAMN REASON FOR ANY OF THOSE.

Fuck, he doesn't even need to snap out of it! He can keep playing make-believe but he can also start acting as himself. A new servant called Yasu starts working at the mansion. Shannon and/or Kanon retire or get transferred when he feels comfortable about it. GAH.

And really, all of this fucking boils down to "he's crazy". That's the entire motivation Ryukishi made such a big fat deal all along. "You must not ignore the heart!" THE HEART IS THAT HE'S CRAZY. THAT IS THE ENTIRE MOTIVATION OF YOUR CULPRIT AND SEVERAL OF THE SIDE CHARACTERS (anyone working for Yasu is insane). I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A RULE AGAINST THAT BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S FUCKING SHITTY WRITING REGARDLESS, RYU OLD BUDDY.

>Why do people hate Yasu?

Because she had ownership to Kinzo's fortune and decided to tease the Family members with it(Creating the incident) instead of doing something better like... I dont know... Moving to Hawaii and ordering over 9000 Pina Coletta's to drown out her memories of Battler.

I don't care how bad her childhood was,you get mother fucking gold and you mother fucking barely acknowledge you have it.

>>7100877
>Fuck, he doesn't even need to snap out of it! He can keep playing make-believe but he can also start acting as himself. A new servant called Yasu starts working at the mansion. Shannon and/or Kanon retire or get transferred when he feels comfortable about it. GAH.

You don't understand. She came to a dead end, she has to choose to live as Kanon, Shannon or Beatrice. All those existence are important to her

>>7100893

ROLL A FUCKING DIE.

That's what this stupid fucking charade amounts to anyway.

>>7100903

Only with putting everybody else in unnecessary danger.

>>7100887
She realized that even with all of that gold she wouldn't be able to buy her way out of Umineko.

>>7100903

>>7100877
You are trying really hard to make it sound 200% worse than it actually is.

The true victim is nappi

>>7100903

Did you miss the part where she tried to trigger a miracle?

She felt like everyone of her choices was a dead end, and fate was always heartless to her so she wouldn't fight it

>>7100934
That's just her being a fucking selfish drama-whore.
She had choices, lots of them, she just refused to see them for no goddam reason.

>>7100937
>She had choices, lots of them, she just refused to see them for no goddam reason.

How so?
She wanted to be happy with Geoge but she couldn't
No matter how she tried, Kanon couldn't grow a penis and be with Jessica
Let's not even start with Battler

And why do you ignore her background and her view of fate?

>>7100943
She could have gone and have surgery to repair her junk, the 80's aren't the fucking middle age
She could have spoken honestly with the people who cared for her.
She could have just gone away to start a new life.

You are as blind as Yasu, seriously.
She refused to believe in herself or other people so she decided to fucking PLAY WITH THE LIVES OF 15 PEOPLE knowing there was 99% chance it would end in a disaster.

>>7100934
>fate was always heartless to her so she wouldn't fight it

Is there some kind of hidden TIP on a fan disk sold only in Gensokyo that makes this part make sense? Because once again, the only bad thing that ever happened to him/her was that he got thrown off a cliff. And while the fall ruined his junk, he did survive what was meant to be non-survivable, and he even found the fucking gold. So from the way I'm looking, fate has been on average pretty kind to him.

Yes, I've read ep 7. That sentence comes out of nowhere there. I have no idea why people try to paint her existence as somehow constant fucking torture when the worst thing that happened to him/her after her first year was that her coworkers were slightly unfriendly to her and he didn't have many friends that weren't imaginary. That doesn't even enter the top one billion of worst lives on this Earth.

If there's some kind of a level where any of this shit makes sense then I don't see it and Ryukishi07 has done a terrible job as a writer in presenting it. Yasu's motivation is nonsensical, his problems are minor and mostly his own doing, and the way she tries to solve them is absurd and had no chance of working to begin with. Did he somehow imagine Battler solving the riddle would grow her functioning genitals?

>>7100923

She will think it twice the next time she plans throwing some baby down a cliff.

The real victim is pic related. Because Yasu's stupid catbox she will always remain as culprit, a innocent woman who never did bad to anyone, a pure loving wife to who her beloved husband cheated 24/7.

>>7100961
>The real victim is pic related. Because Yasu's stupid catbox she will always remain as culprit, a innocent woman who never did bad to anyone, a pure loving wife to who her beloved husband cheated 24/7.

10/10, would be trolled again

Hey anons, why don't you stop bitching about the fact you can't get a girlfriend, people laught at you and become a normalfag instead of useless nerd?
You brought these by yourself, why can't you fix it, eh?

>>7100951

>She could have spoken honestly with the people who cared for her.

Who? those who knew who she was all along and had her living a shitty servant life since a very early age to atone the sins of old man?

Maybe if they had laid everything from the very first Yasu would have live a normal life and not become 100 different persons.

>>7100961

Fuck. Kyrie looks cuter with glasses. Why the hell didn't Ryukishi made her wear glasses in the VN?

>>7100960
>Yes, I've read ep 7. That sentence comes out of nowhere there. I have no idea why people try to paint her existence as somehow constant fucking torture when the worst thing that happened to him/her after her first year was that her coworkers were slightly unfriendly to her and he didn't have many friends that weren't imaginary. That doesn't even enter the top one billion of worst lives on this Earth.

She tried to become a witch to escape fate, turned out becoming a witch was always her destiny. Woops.

She fell in love with a man who forget her 5 minutes after, then she tried to live as Shannon and Kanon but developed a forniture complex and his a flat-chested transexual

>Did he somehow imagine Battler solving the riddle would grow her functioning genitals?

It does. Her rouelle of fate was exactly because she didn't know what to do. She would let fate decided, and every result, she will accept that.

>>7100971
What about the guy who was in love with her and the girl who was her friend?
And Genji and Kumasawa did care for her as well, of course they were loyal to Kinzo but they also cared for Yasu a lot.
She even acknowledge that herself.

>>7100970
You're attempting to raise a point based on the assumption that the people in this discussion meet the criteria that you set. I hope you realize how silly that is.

>>7100960
Did you miss that one of Umineko themes is subjectivism? From thinking about what could be considered a sin, to a whole world view.

>That doesn't even enter the top one billion of worst lives on this Earth.
Saying that she could do better is like saying that you must be happy, laugh and dance every day, because you have roof, clothes, food, some money and internet, while there are millions naked, homeless and starving people in the world.

>>7100970

Are you sure you want to play that card? Because that comparison means that every anonymous who didn't rig an elaborate deathtrap Saw-style to kill 15 people in an effort to somehow cure himself of being an otaku is saner than Yasu was.

Srsly. The whole plot of Umineko is "bitch be crazy" and you people still try to defend it.

>This thread

But Yasu didn't kill anyone!

>>7100980
>She tried to become a witch to escape fate, turned out becoming a witch was always her destiny. Woops.

What the fuck does that even mean? Again something that only happened in her stupid fucking head?

>She fell in love with a man who forget her 5 minutes after, then she tried to live as Shannon and Kanon but developed a forniture complex and his a flat-chested transexual

Yeah, and I've got a hole in my sock. I better kill 15 people to fix my socks.

>It does. Her rouelle of fate was exactly because she didn't know what to do. She would let fate decided, and every result, she will accept that.

Then, once again, she could have just rolled a fucking die. If she wants to make it really EXXXTREME to get a miracle out of it she can, I dunno, roll a die in a snake pit instead. Arranging that would be less trouble and would make more sense than bribing everybody on the island except Battler to take part in an absurd fake mystery.

>>7100978

Because he is a faggot, since that pic is from one of those books with sketches made by him.

I usually don't like girls with glasses but in Kyrie...so much desire.

>>7100985
I'm sure most mass murdered think they had perfectly fine reasons to do what they did, I'm sure if you look at their "heart" you could see that there was something sad that pushed them to do what they did.
Doesn't mean they aren't "evil".

Yasu wasn't in immediate danger, she wasn't trapped by anyone, her only ennemy was "herself" in the end.
Yet she still decided to do something that had 99% chances to end up with the death of 15 people, including children.
That's what humanity defines as evil.

>>7100998
>What the fuck does that even mean? Again something that only happened in her stupid fucking head?

It means exactly what it meant.

>Yeah, and I've got a hole in my sock. I better kill 15 people to fix my socks.

Are you really comparing your sock to a transsexual orphan with imaginary friends that feels like she can't love because her junk look disgusting?

>Then, once again, she could have just rolled a fucking die. If she wants to make it really EXXXTREME to get a miracle out of it she can, I dunno, roll a die in a snake pit instead. Arranging that would be less trouble and would make more sense than bribing everybody on the island except Battler to take part in an absurd fake mystery.

Again, once you roll the dice, you have to decide. SHE DID IT BECAUSE SHE COULDN'T DECIDE

>>7100998
>I better kill 15 people to fix my socks.
>I better kill
>kill

Oh boy

>>7100981

I was talking about Kumasawa and Genji. They cared, but they didn't show it. Yasu often says they are not indulgent, Kumasawa may had some talks with her but Genji was always serious.

George only cared about Shannon and his own plans.

It's hinted Jessica wasn't near Shannon all the time.
They never talked about Yasu's real problems, they never talked about Battler. When Shannon talked about George Jessica would go jealous and make silly noises and start talking about herself.


They were not people she fully trusted, they didn't helped with her real problems. To talk a bit with someone doesn't make you feel less loneliness. You should know better /jp/.

>>7100997
Yeah, the greedy adults did. Still, Yasu's stupid bullshit roulette really helped to trigger the disaster.

Oh come on, all she did was planning a little risky fake murder mystery.

I mean, it was a little crazy yes, but we can't even forgive a little of craziness?

You guys have no love if you did not understand Yasu.

>>7101022

How is that her fault?

>>7101013
>Are you really comparing your sock to a transsexual orphan with imaginary friends that feels like she can't love because her junk look disgusting?

YES.

The only truly bad thing that ever happened to her was that she got thrown off a cliff as a baby. All that other shit is meaningless. Lost love? Social awkwardness? That's the sort of shit every normal human goes through a hundred times in his life. Doesn't matter a fucking inch. Do not try to pretend anything else matters other than the cliff incident. Other than that, his life was fucking AVERAGE.

>>7101031

She's the one that made it possible to happen. She's the one who initially put everybody's lives in danger, with planning and deliberation.

>>7101030

I'd be fucking worried if somebody understood Yasu. Anyone who does can't be right in the head.

>>7101020
That's so fucking drama-whorish it makes me puke.
True best friends are extremely rare in this world for one, most people just have acquaintances, it's not something you kill yourself for.

And everything about your post make it seem Yasu is the center of the world.
They "never talked about Yasu's real problems"? More like Yasu never talked to them about herself, it's Yasu herself who refused to trust people.

What about Jessica who had to carry the will of her parents and had no freedom to speak of?
She had "friends" in school but they only saw one side of her, Shannon was her sole ally in her house but was always formal with her, she only saw her cousins once in a blue moon and the other employees were basically stranger to her.
Sure seem like she was far more trapped than Yasu, yet she didn't try to play with the lives of 15 people.

Gah!

Why is Yasu so mean to her other personalities, anyway?

>>7101044
>She's the one that made it possible to happen. She's the one who initially put everybody's lives in danger, with planning and deliberation.

Yeah!
But wait, who gave birth to Yasu? Beatrice!
Then is Beatrice fault.
But wait, who impregnated Beatrice? Kinzo!
But wait, who gave Kinzo the gold? The italians!

Fucking Italians, everything it's their fault!

When we saw Eva's diary, Shannon is show in her room doing shit when the adults find the gold

>>7101057
He's mean to Kanon because he finds Jessica disgusting.

>>7101031
"Let's write a letter challenging a bunch of bankrupt arseholes to find $440 million worth of gold!"

>>7101003
So what? She says that you can perceive her as you wish, just understand her. So you can hate her.
I don't particularly like her myself.

>>7101074

Maybe if they weren't greedy bastards they would just share the gold and go to awaii, or something

>>7101064
She had a direct hand in the whole thing.
What she did was akin to putting lots of dynamites in one room, lighting a match and giving it to a blind person.
You must be completely delusional if you think it wasn't her fault.

Battler, Kinzo and everyone who was mean to Yasu may have deserved to die. Okay.
But what about the others? They had their lives, what about Gohda? And Hideyoshi?
Why do they have to take part in Yasu's roulette?

>>7101073
I don't know man, Jessica is pretty hot. Plus given her family, she would have turned into a damn fine MILF. Too bad she ended up murdered.

>>7101051

And Yasu is a drama-whore.

To understand her doesn't mean to sympathize with what she did. There are lots of murderers in this world, most of the time their reasons are shit.

>>7101125
i agree, she is way hotter in those ps3 sprites

>>7101204
This. Holy fuck.

Guys, guys, there is never a good reason for murder.

That said, the game doesn't force you to pity her, Personally, i find her a sad and pitiable person that took many bad decisions in her life and felt cornered, so i can understand why she went bananas.

The fact that she didn't kill anyone, and also later tried to atone and suffered as the Golden Witch Beatrice trapped in the two-days lock helps it.

I also give R07 some credits for not taking the "hurr hurr Shannon was raped" easy route.

>>7101250
>there is never a good reason for murder
The only way you can say that is if you turn around and claim that killing isn't murder if it's done for a good reason...

>>7101073
She hates George too.

You guys are missing the point, yes, her genital is broken, but it's only a minor part of her suffering. And all it brought about was the "Furniture" status, which can easily be resolved with "love"

But what she is truly suffering about is how the only one she love forgets about her. She wants Battler to remember their promise, which never happen in all 1482957395 fragments. She thought of taking other choices in her life, living with George away from island forever etc. But when the news about the return of Battler reaches her, she realizes there are no other choices, she only wants Battler, he is the only choice. That's also the whole "I'm tired of fate toying with me", because fate gave her plenty of choices to choose from. But in the end, fate only comes back to tell her, "Nope, you only have this one choice called Battler this whole time" by bringing Battler back on 1986.

The miracle she prayed for is not to fix her genital lol, but to make Battler remember their promise and love her back. Knowing Battler is a reader who searches for the "heart" of mysteries, she believes Battler would be capable of figuring her "heart" AKA promise with a fake murder. And Battler is capable, as shown in EP5 when he calms down and think, just too late since he never tries to solve them in any of the games/fragments. Would there be other methods to make Battler remember promise? No one but Battler knows, but given how he enjoys the games, agonizing how he didn't solve them in time, and only really complained about the game having a time limit, I'd say no other method is suitable for Battler.

>>7101246
Here, have some cosplaying Jessica

>>7101304

This makes all her other roles pointless

Shannon and Kanon, both are clearly important to her

>>7101304
No we aren't missing the point, what you wrote was just what people said from the beginning in this thread, she is just a really selfish drama-whore.
No other solution is suitable? What about showing some courage and confronting Battler about it?
Oh but endangering a dozen people sure seem like the best and most suitable thing to do.

>>7101322
I'm just talking about "Yasu"'s suffering, I know they are the same person, but they are meant to be looked as 3 different people.

>>7101288

Well, did you saw how fat he is? It's only natural she would hate him.

>>7101204

VN Jessica will always be best Jessica.

>>7101324
The missing the point part is mainly about people constantly pointing out her genitals to be the big part of her suffering when it's not.
>What about showing some courage and confronting Battler about it?
She believed a murder mystery with Battler trying to understand her heart has a bigger chance than just confronting Battler about it (ie. EP4). It's a hit or miss to her.
>Oh but endangering a dozen people sure seem like the best and most suitable thing to do.
Don't need you to point this out, Battler already scold her about the time limit aka bomb in EP5

>>7101357
Please...

Everything's said and done, and people are still asking each other who's to blame, and if people died or not.

Call me what you want, but I know R07 is a goddamn stupid-genius.

>>7101321
i'd wish people could make more of these

>>7101332
>I'm just talking about "Yasu"'s suffering, I know they are the same person, but they are meant to be looked as 3 different people.

But they are the same person.
In the end, it's just Yasu playing different roles.

You can't deny that Jessica is important to Kanon and that Shannon loves Joiji

>>7101409
No just stupid.
People argue because Yasu is just a terrible character and some blind fanboys just try to whiteknight her for no goddam reasons.

>>7101304
>wawawa a retarded eunuch can't get over his childhood crush

good reason to kill over a dozen people, i agree

>>7101409
>Call me what you want, but I know R07 is a goddamn idiot who get himself out of the corner he wrote himself into.

agreed

>>7101125
>>7101204
>>7101321
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>>7101417
Momasero, momasero!

Who did you guys find more infuriating? Episode 4 Ange, Maria, Hachijou, or Yasu?

Just curious. It's a really tough call to determine just who was the most aggravating to me.

>>7101481
Hachijou, for making things confusing

>>7101481
Ange and Maria were pretty on-character for me.
Hachijou I don't care about, but I haven't read EP8.
But Yasu... I understand/accept the suffering and all that perfectly, but how that relates to blowing up an island and murders... it's non sequitur for me. I can't stand that and it infuriates me. R07 also infuriates me.

>>7101481
Maria, since I hate religionfags. All others realize that they are doing pretend.
Why would you hate Tohya?

>>7101481
Yasu

>>7101523
It felt as though she was a thinly veiled excuse for the author to address his audience directly.

>>7101541
>thinly veiled
She only needed a fucking big poster that said 'I'M THE AUTHOR AVATAR', though you wouldn't have noticed it because eyecancer clothes.

>>7101541
It's probably even more thinly veiled in ep8 and I don't see a problem there.

>>7101517
>But Yasu... I understand/accept the suffering and all that perfectly, but how that relates to blowing up an island and murders... it's non sequitur for me. I can't stand that and it infuriates me. R07 also infuriates me.

But she didn't blow up the fucking island

>>7101570
She planned to do it, same thing.
Intent to kill/putting people in danger deliberately is about as bad as murder.

>Jessicafags also like pig disgusting PS3 sprites

Unsurprising.

>>7101650
>doesn't like blond and bouncy
>fags
I have a bad news for you.

>>7101670
>blond and bouncy
Normalfag detected. Get out of /jp/.

>>7101650
They probably love the anime too.

>>7101670
There's only one blonde for me.

Jessica is pretty much the worst Umineko girl.

>>7101718
Enjoy your wig, flat chest and fake vagina.

>>7101598
>He belives Bern's TP

>>7101678
I like little girls too, don't worry.

>>7101748
ANYONE WHO WOULD NOT MOLEST A FLAT CHEST IS NOT A MAN

>>7101718
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umlx6rEbofk

>>7101304
>yes, her genital is broken
>implying you could say that in gold

>The miracle she prayed for is not to fix her genital lol, but to make Battler remember their promise and love her back.
Calling it a miracle is also just a theatrical way of expressing uncertainess. If one skips through the layers of metaphors, Beato turns out to be the girl one would normally expect her to be.

More and more I think this was all planned out to be a big setup to test Battler, which took a very bad turn. Turn the chessboard. How would a good end be composed for Yasu? First, we need a Battler. A Battler, who actually stays with her. A Battler, who has no regrets staying with her. A Battler, who understands her. Now /jp/, would Battler forgive Yasu killing even a single member of the family? Would he accept her that way? I certainly doubt that.

Yasu's roulette has only 3 states (red, black, zero). There's no "whoops, just killed 5 members of the family and 1 servant, but Battler is still cool with it". The moment even a single person dies would automatically lead to a black end. We had several episodes with Battler trying to solve the riddles. How many rerolls does one do in roulette? Beato never had the balls to lay herself into fate's hands she never had balls anyway, fuck you. I think this is indicated by the lethargic Beato in the golden cave. She had everything prepared to wreck shit, but she wanted a certain result instead. She never wanted black. She wouldn't dare to kill for real.

>>7101798
>say that in gold
Maybe you should learn what the fuck gold means before you say anything.

>>7101798
It's pretty safe to assume her genitals/body are quite fucked up after the "Natsuhi's extreme cliff jumping - 1967 edition"

>>7101517
Maria is the only person in this story that knows what she is talking about
Ange is the only person that understood something or at least tried to
Yasu...eh..i don't know i would rather have her executed differently, but i don't really care
but
>Hachijou

there is not suitable word that could contain all of my hate.
The moment she entered this story everything went seriously wrong

Contination of >>7101798

But someone took over her game and turned everything into shit metaphor: the other witches who abuse Beato's game board. I don't want to blame Kyrie, but if you want to call her innocent you need a good reason for Ange to turn crazy in 8. Besides that, I see no reason for Kyrie to do it too, I don't think she's the heartless bitch she's portrayed as.

>>7101835
>there is not suitable word that could contain all of my hate.
Why?

>>7101849
that "metaphor" doesn't make sense, because other witches never even touched Beato's gameboard until she was turned into comatose.

>>7101849
My theory is that the Sumadera family took Ange hostage, ordered Kyrie to take money from the Ushiromiya in order to revive their family status. Kyrie disguised Ange's kidnap as sickness.

>Yasu thread with OP claiming everything is reasonable
>139 posts and 35 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

Fuck, I'm late!

>>7101888
interesting. I've also always thought there is something more to Ange conveniently always being sick. But it would be foreshadowed somehow by now if that was true, so i don't think it's very likely.

>>7101822
Implying knowing it better is meaningless if you don't present your (apparently) more accurate explanation. In fact I rather think you either didn't understand my post or don't know what gold means after all. Why should I think different if all that you say is "nah, wrong!!1".

>>7101834
I see no Battler end in Beato's roulette that way. It would be like playing with zero, black and zero. I assume that Beato's comments about her body being uncapable of love is also a theatric way of expressing emotional dullness. In japanese understandings, the center of emotions euqals the center of the body.

>>7101888
This is beautiful. Let's see if we can fit more pieces onto that.

>>7101912
You're implying that gold is somehow absolute truth, while it's not. It can be truth, but it can be just a lie that everyone accepts and believes in. So saying something in gold doesn't really prove anything, except your desire to believe in it.

>>7101888

It doesn't make shit sense since they give her to Eva back later AND Ange doesn't ever mention that

>>7101912
>I see no Battler end in Beato's roulette that way. It would be like playing with zero, black and zero. I assume that Beato's comments about her body being uncapable of love is also a theatric way of expressing emotional dullness. In japanese understandings, the center of emotions euqals the center of the body.

What?
"BECAUSE OF THAT INCIDENT"
"SHANNON AND GEORGE WON'T BE ABLE TO CONSUME THEIR LOVE"

etc, etc

>>7101944
Ange was what, 6 at the time?
And what's wrong with an Ushiromiya head taking custody of an Ushiromiya member?

>>7101879
>until she was turned into comatose.

>Beato never had the balls to lay herself into fate's hands
>I think this is indicated by the lethargic Beato in the golden cave.
That's what I'm saying. Those two events are indicating the same occurance, one inside a game that happens to be closer to truth in that instance, the other one in meta.

"Beato didn't continue to play. Battler 'failed'. She stopped playing, but wasn't dead yet."
could mean "Beato prepared everything to play and pay the price, but backed down because she couldn't go through with it, although she should do it since Battler failed to see it through". Then, someone else takes over and fucks it up.

>Her

>>7101963

Stop this metaphorical shit

>>7101888
It was my theory originally and long ago. Too bad it didn't receive a single supporting fact in ep8, basically disproving it.

>>7101935
Ok, I thought so. Please let me explain.

All we have are those 8 games and the few sidestories/tips to figure out what might have happened or what's fact or not. Hardly anything told in the game can be taken as simple fact, even if limited to game logic. All we have are common agreements among ourselves that one indicident when a certain way or another indication actually represents fact. So how does this differ to "everyone accepts and believes in"? In fact, everything we all agree up to now (the most basic stuff) is already gold between us. I claim that any conditions of Yasu's body are certainly not agreed on. In short, how does one "prove" things happening inside a translated story that aims to confuse the reader in the way it's told? Is it so bad calling it gold then?

By the way, the picture in >>7101951 is certainly not convincing and also proves nothing.

>>7101986
Please explain that. I read 8 and yet have to see your point.

>>7101974
What are you doing in a Yasu thread if you can't handle metaphors?

>>7101963
but that's like...i don't see that at all. If you take Shkannontrice i don't see
>Beato never had the balls to lay herself into fate's hands
because a big portion of the game is exactly about her laying herself into hands of fate, because she doesn't have balls to do anything else.
If you take Beato it's not like she went coma because she was a coward. She resigned not because Battler got closer to the truth but exactly because he was nowhere near it and thus she gave up.
also I just think not everything in meta world must be automatically something in world

>>7102057
>By the way, the picture in >>7101951 is certainly not convincing and also proves nothing.

You are delusional

>>7102067
I mean, there's nothing supporting that theory besides speculation and ep8 didn't confirm it either. If it were true, then it should be at least somehow hinted.

>>7102088
Thanks.

>>7102073
Sorry, let me rephrase it. I wrote >Beato never had the balls to lay herself into fate's hands
and forgot to add "for real" or "in the end". She certainly tried but failed to take the active role she assigned herself.

It's like "baw, I can't change anything, let's fate decide." Fate says, "Battler is dumb and can't solve it, it's black. Therefore, proceed with KILL FAMILY", which Beato answers with, "Err yes, sure...actually...", and does nothing in the end.

I fail to see how else she could have fucked up. SHE was the game master. Still, someone else took control and killed. How could this happen?
I don't buy the lethargic Beato from EP7 being a representation of truth. There's no love for Battler in it. And she really would happen to be braindead if she let the greedy adults get access to her loaded guns. What if a crazy Eva would have dominated the deathmatch? Wouldn't this lead to danger for Battler? There's no Battler loving Yasu in that scenario.
For reality, I see a big need of a fuckup from Yasu's side to get the bad end. A fuckup that is triggered by Battler's shortcomings, making him blame himself for the mess afterwards.

I hope I stated my point more clearly now, I think I can't clearly express what I try to say.

>>7102192
>SHE was the game master. Still, someone else took control and killed.
Oh, for fuck's sake.

>Umineko, the only mystery that doesn't end even when solved.

>>7102255
i lol'd
was she trying to say
>But i'm a man?

>>7102270
Funny because these were made before Ep7.

>>7102270
maybe...
>maIDEN?
just saying

>>7102270
no, Beato was going to say "But I'm a mahou shoujo"

>>7102316
well, that makes sense.

>>7102316

She already turned into a witch though ／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼

>>7102311
or maybe
>maRIA'S father

lolwut

>>7102316
and how is that a reason to prevent rapetime?

>>7100711
That always seemed like the more sensible interpretation to me, especially after the 17/18 person paradox and the coin and cup puzzle. It makes a lot of ugly wordplay go away and plays nicely with the faked murder theory too.

>>7104831
That would make pretty much everything we saw from Battler's pov unreliable, and of course that mean the entire game would become completely unreliable.
But of course you don't care, being a fake murder fag.

>>7104832
Battler's POV would be exactly as reliable for collecting evidence as it was before. You just wouldn't have divine fiat backing up the faulty conclusions he's constantly jumping to.

>>7100711

I'd say that this is true with 90% certainty. Why else would Ep5 and 6 have so many fake murders.

>>7104832

Don't forget that 'Battler' is actually just another of Yasu's fictional constructions. The only 'real' Battler we see is at the very end.

Effectively, he's just another tool being used to trick the reader.

>>7105995
Every detective is a fictional character written by the author. It doesn't stop them from having an objective pov.

>>7105995

Meta exists

>>7106010

Sure, but Battler is fictional in-universe. He's written deliberately to mislead readers who foolishly agree with his false conclusions merely because he has an 'objective' viewpoint.

>>7106019

Or Ange is just crazy. We don't know.

Catbox.

>>7106022
Conclusion of the detective =/= POV
Battler can be misled, he can be wrong but he can never lie about what he sees when he is a narrator.
Its explicitly stated in the fucking game, but who care, right?

>>7106024
Catbox refers only to 2 days of October 4-5, 1986, idiot.

>>7106034

Oh, sure, I know that, but it hardly matters when he's tricked into thinking that fake corpses are real ones.

>>7106041

No, the catbox concept can be extended to just about everything inherently unprovable that happens in Umineko. Remember Maria's diary?

>>7106047
You can't trick having your stomach fucking open.

In episode 5 it only works because the bodies are never seen.

>>7106047
>"I, ......I see. Certainly, just as Genji-san and the others said, there are horrible wounds on their necks. ......Very sharp. Almost as though they've been sliced with a katana or something..."
>That gaping wound on their necks definitely made me want to avert my eyes, but after seeing the Halloween party in the chapel, even though I thought it was horrible, it was no longer enough to make me feel sick.
>gaping wound on their necks
>gaping wound on their necks

>>7106062
>>7106075

The organs are probably very elaborate makeup, but I think the neck wounds are real.

>>7106085
And you are probably completely delusional and stupid.
Also there is absolutely no hint of a professional gore make-up artist on the island, and you'd need something at least as skilled to do something like this.

>>7106101
>absolutely no hint
So what? None of the characters' personalities or backstories are real either.

>>7106085

>The neck wounds are real.

Only in EP5 the murders were actually fake.

>>7106171
Real or not isn't the question fucking idiot.
The stories are supposed to be internally consistent, it's one of the rule, it's part of the fairness and make Umineko solvable.
If you can't understand this you misunderstood everything about Umineko, grow a brain.

>>7106171
The one episode where we don't see the bodies

oh boy these threads never change.

>>7106197
But it's the quote from ep2.

It doesn't matter if ep I-IV murders were real or not.

Though,i believe more we go deeper, more we get close to the real truth (fake murders). That's why ep IV is all covered with magic, it's probably the closed thing that we got to Rokkenjima Prime.

Do ep 1-2 make Beato a murder? Well, personally i think it doesn't, we know the bomb goes off "regardless of the witch will" and they were all going to die anyway because of the adults. We know Beato became a witch because she wanted a happy ending, even though it was impossible in the end, and she died in despair.

So, is the consensus that Umineko was terrible, or did the theory that Umineko is horrible win out in the end?

>>7106216
>real truth (fake murders)
Oh boy another retard.

>>7106222

"Who cares if it's shit or not" is the best theory.

>>7106202
>supposed to be internally consistent

Except they're not. They're not even real in-universe!

>>7106230
Actually they are.

>>7106225

Oh, another that ignore half of Battler and Beatrice characters.

>>7106230
Except they are mysteries meant to be solved.

>>7106234
Who kills is ep1-2 then?

>>7106240

Yasu.
Inside the catbox
AFTER Rokkenjima-Prime.

>>7106234
You are the one who ignore everything, retard.
You know very well that the "return" can be seen from countless way.
Heck in the end it was just to force the people on the island to solve the riddle so that her roulette could work, a threat.

What you are doing with your fake murder shit is completely IGNORING everything about episode 7 and Yasu's backstory.
She decided to force fate to decide for her, it was supposed to be the last struggle of a pathetic person.

And what you are seeing is a simple game made by a girl too shy to talk with a boy directly.
Seriously good job completely misunderstanding everything about her.

>>7106247

And you are ignoring everything about ep VI "confession"

Do you understand Yasu wanted to be blame as the culprit?

>>7106290
Because she had her share of blame and didn't try to run away from this fact, unlike you.
And episode 6 was the way it was simply because Battler didn't want Erika to find the truth, it was pretty much explicitly stated

IF THE MURDERS ARE ONLY FAKE IN EP5 AND 6, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF SHOWING FAKE MURDERS IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Fucking idiots, I swear. You're supposed to take the stuff you learn in Chiru and apply it to the original four games. It's so goddamned basic yet no one understand it. This is why Ryukishi hates you all.

>>7106207
Best part of Umineko.

>>7106422
>...Yes. The victims for this first twilight had all died in comfortable rooms.
>In the past games, the corpses had often been found exposed in the courtyard or under the rose garden arbor.
>In the cold gardening shed or in the boiler room......
>This time, there were no victims in any such inhospitable environments.

>>7106422
BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT GAME MASTERS, fucking idiot.

You fail to realize that in the end it's a game between the game master and the "reader".
Beatrice was a fair game master because she wanted Battler to find the truth, so she really "kill" because murders = clues, it's fucking explicitly stated.

Lambda wanted the game to continue the game forever so she made the most unreliable game of them all.
NOTICE HOW NO CORPSE ARE SHOWN FUCKING RETARD? That's why you can think there are fake corpses, since the detective didn't see any corpses.

Battler didn't want Erika to find the truth and he is a big softie, so he tried to do the same thing as Lambda, it failed of course.

That's the only differences between episode 1-4 and episode 5-6, otherwise episode 5-6 aren't any more true or reliable as the previous episodes.

That's what you completely fail to understand, in term of "truth":
episode 1 = 2 = 3 = 4 = 5 =6
They exist at the same level in the cat box, the setting is always the same, the characters are always the same (except when one is introduced through a loophole like Erika), their personalities are always the same, their goals are always the same.
So if Beatrice killed in episode 1-4, and she did, then she had the possibility and will to kill in the "true" Rokkenjima.

That's how it works, it was stated again and again, it's part of the fairness and love between the writer and readers, you who think one episode is more reliable than another completely fail to understand shit about this game.

>>7106448

Then explain ep IV, everyone telling the same shit.
Kumasawa and Gohda close room?
Why did Battler forgive Beato?
Featherine even pointed out how weird it was

>>7106448

THERE ARE NO GAME MASTERS. Everything, EVERYTHING is fictional in-universe.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that the fake murders are supposed to be a clue that other murders in the past games have also been faked? This shit has been obvious since Ep5 for the love of fucking god.

Chiru is the 'Core Arcs'. The 'core' of the mystery. It's supposed to reveal vague clues about everything. You're devaluing everything we learned in those games.

Also,

>That's why you can think there are fake corpses, since the detective didn't see any corpses.

Battler doesn't always get to see every corpse either, and he personally examines very, very few of them.

>>7106467

How do you think Yasu faked, i don't know, Eva having a fucking blade in her head?

>>7106467
You are completely ignoring everything about the game, what the fuck are you doing here?
Seriously fuck off

>>7106460
>Then explain ep IV, everyone telling the same shit.

Kyrie is the only person Battler actually hears over the phone. At the time she calls, everyone else in the main house except for Yasu is already dead, but she's pretending as though they're alive in order to manipulate George and Jessica.

Kyrie's plan to fuck with the survivors is interrupted by Yasu, who stops Battler at the door before Kyrie can get to him. In an effort to trick him into coming back to the mansion, Kyrie spins a story about how she's about to be killed by 'magic'... at which point Yasu barges in and shoots her in the back of the head.

Trying to salvage her magical game, Yasu finds Maria in the parlor sobbing over her mother's corpse. She instructs Maria to hide all the guns, and then take a special pill that will send her to the Golden Land. Yasu then walks outside, points her gun upward, and blows her own face off.

I really don't know about Kumasawa and Gohda, though. They're probably working for Yasu, though.

>>7106495

She didn't. That was real.

>>7106497

Sometimes I don't think you people actually paid any attention...

>>7106460
-When someone has a gun, you comply.
-Kumasawa simply opened the door, she is an accomplice remember.
-Because his promise was one of the reason Yasu fell so hard.

Not hard, retard.

>>7106467
>personally examines very, very few of them.
Yeah, "only" 8 in ep1.
>Their faces were smashed, forced into an expression that a normal person couldn't make even after death. ...I couldn't tell where the eyes or the noses were, but I could find their mouths...because they were gaping wide, the ridges of their teeth exposed! But their front teeth were missing, and even the cheek that should have covered that was all torn up and exposed! Even as a man, the stylish makeup that I thoughtlessly worried about was all useless...!!

At least 9 in ep2 with torn bellies, sliced necks and sticking stakes.
His father with a fucking stake in his forehead in ep3.
Half-smashed heads with brains on the floor in ep4.

>>7106513
You are the one who didn't pay any attention, seriously.
How can someone misunderstand such a simple story so much I have no idea.

Umineko is a fiction within a fiction, yes, but it's also completely internally consistent, or at least Ryuukishi created it to be that way.
Simply rejecting it with a IT'S FICTION, DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN SHIT is so fucking retarded it hurts.
The game itself never does that and actually mock people who think that way.

>>7106515
>-Kumasawa simply opened the door, she is an accomplice remember.
Impossible. The shutter was closed from the outside and the key was inside. They were hanging on loose ropes, that wouldn't kill them and shot.

>>7106544
There is a windows, remember?

>>7106517

He almost never touches the bodies. Granted, the ones that are obviously dead are dead, but not all of them are so clear.

Also, there's this constant, ever-present references to 'makeup', 'plays', 'theatre', etc, etc.

>>7106526
>Simply rejecting it with a IT'S FICTION, DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN SHIT is so fucking retarded it hurts.

Not saying that at all. I'm saying that all the starting points for the games are actually the same, that fake deaths only occurring in Ep5/6 is stupid as hell, and that HURR DIFFERENT GAME MASTERS isn't a justification for such.

Each 'level' of the story has to be internally consistent as well as consistent overall. Something on a higher level cannot justify something on a lower one.

>>7106544

Did Battler say anything about the lock?

In Ep1, Genji opens up a brand-new padlock. Those kind of padlocks always come with TWO keys.

>>7106550
It's very small.
>......It might have been possible to shoot them through the window, but it's really unthinkable that someone could have tied two loops to the beam from the outside.

>>7106556
Remember how the fake deaths of episode 5-6 are really obvious fake ones?
The corpses that are never shown?
The reactions of the survivors?

If fake murders was true for episode 1-4, don't you think episode 5-6 would show to be closer to how they were in the previous episodes?
Seriously it's not even worth talking, and you who reject the game masters and their significances once again prove you understand shit about Umineko.

>>7106575
Yeah, but it's possible to pass a KEY through the window, think a little

>>7106564
It was the default shutter lock.

But the key was in Gohda-san's pocket, and the shutter had been locked.
Gohda-san had said that there was only one key for this shutter.
......But is it possible that there was a copy, ......and that the culprit was in possession of it......?
If we're allowed to theorize that there was actually a duplicate of the gardening storehouse key, and that Gohda-san just didn't know about it, then this isn't even close to a closed room.
.........But why is it that, despite the fact that almost all of the other corpses had been shot to death and left almost completely alone, these two corpses alone had been intentionally hoisted up?
I couldn't help but feel something a bit odd about that......

>>7106593
How? They give the killer the key, ok. He enters, kills, closes and after that it's impossible to put it in Gohda's trousers through that window.

>>7106606
Easy.
Kumasawa opens the door.
Yasu kill Gohda, ties his body, goes out.
She closes the door and throw the key back in, Kumasawa put the key back in Gohda's troussed and ties herself.
Yasu then simply shoot from outside through the window.

And the closed room is completed, you see harder stuff in fucking Conan.

>>7106606
There is no indication that the key is still in Ghoda's pocket.

>>7106611
Ok, it seems to work technically, but why tie them in the first place?

>>7106612
Battler confirmed it.

>>7106507

he heard Jessica too.

>>7106622
>Ok, it seems to work technically, but why tie them in the first place?
Because closed room mystery.

>>7106611


What the flying fuck, why would Kumawasa let herself ne SHOT?

>>7106637
Did you actually play the game?

>>7106641

Yes, and why i can see Kumawasa being an... accomplice at best, i really can't see any reason to let herself be shot.

>>7106635
If you're willing to just ignore that, then you don't even need to invent the trick. Just order them to tie themselves and shoot them through the window.

>>7106646
She is an accomplice and decided to follow Yasu's will since she feels guilty about what happened to her.
Her family received tons of money, same for Gohda.
She is very old
More than enough reasons.

Knowing the truth, ep V became kinda hilariousawesomewatthefuck

>>7106646
Beatrice and Tohya make them act incredibly retarded, so it's believable. They are okay with Yasu killing everyone and don't start talking even after some of other accomplices are killed. "Hurr bank account payments."

>>7106515
>-When someone has a gun, you comply.

Like who?

We know ep. IV is not Yasu modus operandi, but most likely Kyrie and the other adults shooting themself.

Yasu does closed rooms, not Call of Duty.

What truth?

>>7106625

...Who was being held at gunpoint, yes.

Oh yeah, and he heard Yasu too.

>>7106653
>same for Gohda
Except he didn't know shit about Yasu, and he probably wouldn't care. And he certainly doesn't seem like he wants to die.

The only one who's at least somewhat convincing for the role of mindless sheep is Genji. The rest of them don't seem right and act against characterization, even considering the money.

>>7106675

>>7106675

"I had a fucking penis, deal with it faggots"

>>7106708

Again, why would Yasu do that? It's not how she fucking work.

>>7106622
>Battler confirmed it.

So he did, my mistake.

However, I see now how this room was done. Gohda gave the killer the key through the window. The killer unlocked the shed, shot both of them and hoisted them up, put the key in Ghoda's pocket and closed the shed. A padlock doesn't require a key to lock it.

I still don't like Shkanon

Servant with multiple personalities is allowed to keep working rather than trying to get that person some help.

>>7106800

"Gohda, Kumasawa get in there so i can kill both of you"
"sure Yasu, why not"

>>7106899

She doesn't have DID, she's fully conscious of all her roles.
How "personalities" work in Umineko was explained billions of times

>>7106929
More like:
Oh it's Shannon outside, poor girl couldn't hurt a fly, hey Gohda give her the key so that she can enter.

>>7106929

I'm not talking about it from Yasu's perspective. I'm talking about how ridiculous it is for every other person on the island to continue acting as though Shannon and Kanon are two physically different people that irritates me. I could accept that the Shannon/Yasu part was her own delusion but when Kanon showed up, why did everyone else start acting as though Shannon and Kanon are not the same person?

>>7106967

Not everyone, only Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo. Yasu is the Head, and since they partially feel responsable for what happened to her body i can see them letting her do what the fuck she wants. I mean, they subscribed to the madness of a madman who raped his daughter for years.

Natsuhi, Krauss and Jessica where tricked. Yes, it's stupid.

>>7106800
Well, fuck. This doesn't work either.

After going back and reading there is apparently two ways to lock the shutter. The main lock on the shutter is just a normal one that requires a key. The padlock was only added in episode 1. Guess I'm stumped.

>>7106988

Agree that it's stupid, but to go further anyway;

>Natsuhi was tricked

I want to see the bullshit reasoning for how she managed to not figure out Shannon and Kanon were the same person seeing as it wasn't uncommon for her to gather all the servants at one location to instruct them on what to do for certain special events, particular the yearly conference.

>>7107000

I don't recall if it was ever said or not but wasn't the window large enough for a small person (say Yasu) to move through it? If so, propping it open so that she could travel back and forth between the room wouldn't be that hard to imagine for creating the closed room.

>>7107001
>I want to see the bullshit reasoning for how she managed to not figure out Shannon and Kanon were the same person seeing as it wasn't uncommon for her to gather all the servants at one location to instruct them on what to do for certain special events, particular the yearly conference.

Does she gather them only the first time? Either way, i guess Genji or someone else could make some excuse. Most of the time, there are only 1-2 servants on Rokkenjima. Also, Kanon probably appeared when she started to lose her sanity.

>>7107001
>>I want to see the bullshit reasoning for how she managed to not figure out Shannon and Kanon were the same person seeing as it wasn't uncommon for her to gather all the servants at one location to instruct them on what to do for certain special events, particular the yearly conference.

Does she gather them only the first time? Either way, i guess Genji or someone else could make some excuse. Most of the time, there are only 1-2 servants on Rokkenjima. Also, Kanon probably appeared when she started to lose her sanity.

I remember loving Clair's story the first time, then i came to /jp/ for speculation and i started to hate it

Motion Graphic 8 makes Yasu looks like one of the best characters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWPEuzy-ks

>>7106526
>Simply rejecting it with a IT'S FICTION, DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN SHIT is so fucking retarded it hurts.


Just like Shkannon, bub. Fuck off, absolutely nothing in Umineko happened.

Takano was raped, treated like shit, and struggled against all odds to validate her late adoptive father's research.

Yasu was just bored, ignorant, and vented by writing death fiction and casting it out to the sea in letter bottles. NOTHING about her is pitiable. She had a great job, an education, and to top it all off, a fucking fortune after her father died.

Why didn't she just use her money to get a body reconstruction operation so she could fuck Battler?

Yasu is absolutely crazy. If you think her motives are reasonable and well-justified, I've got bad news for you.

>>7107289
>Takano was raped

Not really

Takano had indeed a shitty past, but it was SO BAD like most make it be, after the orphanage she has nice times.

Yasu was uncultured maid with a fucked up body since she was like 1, several mental traumas.

>>7107289
For Takano, you need to add Hinamizawa syndrome, she went even crazier.

>>7107324
>not really
Several kids at the orphanage were raped, the fact that she wasn't shown being raped doesn't mean she wasn't.
>several mental traumas
That pale in comparison to all the shit Takano had to go through. you can even understand that a mass murder was Takano's only exit by her logic and thinking process.
Yasu's makes little to no sense.

>>7107356
>Several kids at the orphanage were raped, the fact that she wasn't shown being raped doesn't mean she wasn't.

She wasn't. The novel made clear that Takano saved her.before that. There was never an hint about being rape for her, she even had a normal sex life with Tomitake later.

Also, just like Yasu, Takano wasn't raped so she should bitch about her past because the other kids had it harder than her, herp herp

>That pale in comparison to all the shit Takano had to go through.

Her parents died. Sad, but she lived a normal life until then.
Orphanage was shit, yes. But after that? She lived a pretty good life, university and everything


>Yasu's makes little to no sense.

It does if you understand her view of fate and how she feels about herself and her body. SHE GREW UP with a screw up body, it's not something you fix in one night, especially with also gender disorder.