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674584 No.674584 [Reply] [Original]

I'm a person who, upon seeing ***** - 01, will download it just to give it a shot.

I downloaded kara no kyoukai cause I saw it was just released awhile back and I heard "shiki".

I don't know shit about fatestay/night or w/e or type-moon and all I know about "shiki" is that it is a dude with glasses and a dagger because I see it all the time here.

Why is Shiki a girl in this?

>> No.674589

Sex-change operation.

>> No.674595

Prototype Shiki

>> No.674596

Sex-change operation.

>> No.674598

Oh, and laser eye surgery.

>> No.674599

Ryogi Shiki != Tohno Shiki
Ryogi Shiki has the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception
Tohno Shiki has the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception
Ryogi Shiki can destroy things instantly by cutting their 'lines'.
Tohno Shiki can destroy things instantly by cutting their 'lines'.
Ryogi Shiki is probably a prototype for Tohno Shiki.

>> No.674602

Shiki 00

>> No.674603

>>674599
hurr

>> No.674612

>>674584

She's the same Shiki in Tsukihime. She's a futa reverse trap.

>> No.674614

OP here.

Prototype? So was the male shiki man made or something?

>> No.674617

>>674584
Has there ever been a translation of this?

>> No.674618

One of her split personalities is male.

>> No.674619

>>674614

No, he's a robot.

>> No.674643

式(Shiki)
識(Shiki)
志貴(Shiki)
四季(Shiki)
TOTALY difference

>> No.674697

>>674643
Now tell us which is which

>> No.674703

>>674697
are we allowed to refer to our books?

>> No.674711

6/10
keep aiming for the top

>> No.674884

thred

>> No.675507

but she can only see the lines and tohno/nanaya shiki is able to see the dots , but by seeing them his brain/eyes take massive damage from that and ryougi shiki uses her eyes whenever she wants without taking any damage to her body.

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>> No.675583

>>675581

THATS NOT STRAWBERRY YOU FAGGOT

>> No.675597

>>675581

AZUKI BEAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

>> No.675642
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>>675581
fix'd

>> No.675670

>>675642
plus one awesome fucking scene of Shiki cutting ghosts apart

>> No.675776

Nasu is the creator of pretty much all Type-Moon series and most of said series are connected in some way to form one big universe, otherwise known as the "Nasuverse." Kara no Kyoukai is a work that he wrote before Tsukhime, and several parallels between the two are very easy to see. Shiki Ryougi is the female from KnK and her abilities roughly translate into Shiki Tohno's abilities in Tsukihime, though from the perspective of the Nasuverse, the two abilities are quite different in execution. Shiki Tohno's appearance is drawn from another character in KnK known as Mikiya Kakuto, a character who all the women in KnK wanted to fuck. This attractiveness also carried over to Shiki Tohno in Tsukihime. Azaka Kakuto of KnK and Akiha Tohno of Tsukihime have almost identical roles.

That is why Shiki Ryogi is said to be a prototype of Shiki Tohno: KnK was basically a prototype of Tsukihime.

>> No.675787

>>675776

Oh, forgot to clearly say something. Even though KnK is basically a prototype of Tsukihime, they still both exist and their respective stories took place within the Nasuverse. A character from KnK, Kirie Fujo, is a distant relative of Kohaku and Hisui of Tsukihime. KnK character Tohko Aozaki is the sister of Tsukihime character Aoko Aozaki.

>> No.675788

>>675776
In other words, after watching the movie just say to yourself "lol Nasu" and move on.

>> No.675802
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>>675776
>>675787

Hopefully finally, this will probably clear up any other relationship questions you have. I think it covers everything.

>> No.675811

>>675787
I love how none of this makes any fucking sense and they seem to make this up just to see the fans discuss it on message boards.

Oh wait...

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675864

>>675802

>> No.675868

>>675864
Yeah, he has the gland...What's your point?

>> No.675870

>>675864
Also applies to FS/N in that chart.

>> No.675975

>>675811

Completely canon. Aozaki connection is obvious. Kohaku and Hisui belong to a family who's name was originally spelled Fujyou and Kirei's as Fujō, but similar family names aside, the connection was mentioned directly in the Art/Character Material Book

>> No.675979

>>675776

And now I'd like to say something regarding the differences between Shiki Ryogi's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception and Shiki Tohno's MEoDP. Both allow them to see lines on all the objects and people around them, lines that they are able to trace using sharp objects, thus causing the target to be cut in two through the same place as the line cut. Though the eyes are used to similar affect, they are accomplished in entirely different ways.

Shiki Ryogi's MEoDP allow her to see the inherent flaws of all objects around her in the form of lines, thus forming weak spots she is able to cut.

Shiki Tohno actually sees the ultimate fate of all objects around him, that ultimate fate inevitably being destruction, so, when it comes right down to it, he is seeing the targets "death" in the form of the lines (though the lines he sees are in different positions from the lines Shiki Ryogi sees). No living creature was meant to see death like that, so doing so causes massive stress to Shiki Tohno's brain, thus forcing him to wear the Magangoroshi, or the glasses he constantly wears, to keep from seeing them. Shiki Tohno also is able to see dots from which all of these death lines spread. Hitting a target here causes the target's very concept to be destroyed.

Shiki Ryogi does not possess the weakness of needing to wear the Magangoroshi to keep from dying as her eyes do not put any stress on her as Shiki Tohno's do on him. She cannot see the dots, but in the end that hardly matters since otherwise hers work the same. There is one other major difference in that while Shiki Tohno’s MEoDP have the ability to destroy absolutely anything regardless of what they are, Shiki Ryogi cannot kill targets that do not possess inherent flaws such as the Magangoroshi or Gods, though the very existence of said Gods is questionable in the first place.

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>>675864

>> No.676010

>>675979
Mind = blown

>> No.676015

>>675979
>Shiki Ryogi's MEoDP allow her to see the inherent flaws of all objects around her in the form of lines, thus forming weak spots she is able to cut.

That's Tohno Shiki's eyes. Read how it was described in Tsukihime.

>Shiki Ryogi cannot kill targets that do not possess inherent flaws such as the Magangoroshi or Gods, though the very existence of said Gods is questionable in the first place.

Wrong. Gods are real in this universe, and they can be killed by Ryougi's eyes. The only thing she had trouble with was destroying Buddha's arm.

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676017

>though the very existence of said Gods is questionable in the first place.

>> No.676029

>>675979

Bullshit pasta. Ryougi Shiki does not see "lines" or dots. She sees colors.

>> No.676042

>>675868
Look at the directions of the arrows. He's pointing out that the only love Shiki reprocicates is Arcueid's.

>> No.676046

>>676017
Oh King of Heroes, do you have enough swords?

>> No.676049

>>676042

Well, she's the main heroine afterall.

>> No.676059
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676059

In other news, rape it begins. Nanaya doesn't need dem fancy eyes just good ole rape...with knives.

>> No.676067

>>676059

She can still own you even without the eyes.

>> No.676071
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676071

The last girl Shiki went out with.

>> No.676073
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>>676067
Thats assuming she doesn't fall for my father famous 'gland' first and i'll beautifully dismantle her.

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>>676010

Want more? Roa/SHIKI isn't as weak as people say he is. His Mystic Eyes of Life Perception are just as powerful as Shiki Ryogi's and Shiki Tohno's MEoDP. He can see the lines in the same place Shiki Tohno can, however, instead of activating their death like Tohno's MEoDP does, he literally steals the "life," or their ability to continue living, out of the target. Roa/SHIKI takes this life and adds it to his own, increasing his life and his stamina. With his eyes Roa can even see Arcueid's lines when Shiki Tohno cannot. He cannot kill inanimate objects like Ryogi and Tohno can, however, as long as it's alive he can kill absolutely anything, even Gods, just like Tohno and his eyes don't even put any stress on him. Unlike with Ryogi and Tohno, the targets Roa/SHIKI successfully strikes are not cut up, they are left as lifeless husks.

These eyes along with his inherent vampiric, superhuman traits, demonic Tohno blood abilities and eight-hundred years of extreme magical experience leave Roa/SHIKI possibly even above the other two.

And then I remembered the other two have protagonist hax and lol'd at myself. Oh Nasu, you amuse me so.

>> No.676078

>>676074
Until shiki walks up and drops his knife on SHIKs foot and thats the end of him and his exsistance

>> No.676079

>>676073

Kokuto gland can counter the Nanaya gland.

>> No.676084

>>676074
>His Mystic Eyes of Life Perception are just as powerful as Shiki Ryogi's and Shiki Tohno's MEoDP.

No. He clearly cant see the death of non living things thus inferior to Tohno Shiki, not to mention being outclassed entirely by Ryougi.

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>>676079
Kiri has had enough of your nonsense, its the same thing

>> No.676095

But Ryougi has the power of moe~, so yeah.

>> No.676096

>>676090

No its not you incestous genetic freak.

>> No.676105

>>676073

Anything Shiki(1) loves, Shiki(2) hates. Thus, the Nanaya gland is actually ineffective against Ryougi.

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>>676096
>Shiki Tohno's appearance is drawn from another character in KnK known as Mikiya Kakuto, a character who all the women in KnK wanted to fuck. This attractiveness also carried over to Shiki Tohno in Tsukihime.

Its seems as though my 'brother' and i share the same trait, case in point she WILL fall to me and to her death.

>> No.676118

>>676113

But you're not normal ...

>> No.676122
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676122

Also, all humans are petty, kill yourselves!

>> No.676130

>>676084
didn't he already said that "He cannot kill inanimate objects", non living objects aside, physical power wise Roa/SHIKI > Ryougi and Tohno, and his eyes works on those two

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676139

>>676105
I could always resort to...

>> No.676143
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676143

ICE CREAM!

>> No.676140

>>676130

Well, add the fact that he cant see dots. Thats what makes him inferior.

>> No.676145

>>676130
I am 95% sure that Ryougi can kill Roa's magic, so no.

>> No.676146

>>676143

YOU TRULY ARE EVIL

>> No.676148

>>676139

No Shiki, YOU are the rape victim.

>> No.676153

>>676143

Well fuck.

>> No.676155

>>676140
he doesn't need them, different effect, he steals life from the people that he cuts

>> No.676157

>>676015

Read how Tohno's eyes were later described in even greater detail. I'm sure someone has the pasta directly from the novel detailing how Ryogi's eyes work. I described everything perfectly.

>>676017

Divinity is bestowed upon Servants solely because it is believed that they are descended from such entities, thus bringing into question their actual existence.

>>676078

Indeed.

>>676084

I already explained the reason why his eyes can be considered equal by detailing their lacks and new features. Regardless of Nanaya's and Ryogi's superhuman capabilities, Roa has at least the same physical abilities and immense magical knowledge.

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>>676148
and then shiki became the rape vic- WAIT NO!

>> No.676161

>>676155

Thats an ability entirely separated from the Eyes.

>> No.676168

>>676145
didn't mentioned his magic, but add his spells to all that and not even ryougi could defeat him, even if she can kill the spells,
Ex rank spells spam + superior physical power and knowlege + eyes that steals life from things that he cuts >>>>>>> ryougi 1st, 2nd and 3rd personality (void personality is too hax)

>> No.676169

>>676157
>Divinity is bestowed upon Servants solely because it is believed that they are descended from such entities, thus bringing into question their actual existence.

Gods exists because humanity desire them to be.

>> No.676170

>>676168
ROA DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

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>>676170
Unlimited Kido Works.

>> No.676174

>>676145

No. Ryogi's power does not work that way, though I'm pretty sure she could probably kill his individual magical attacks after they're released.

>>676140

It was already said by someone who has similar sentiments to myself, but the powers are different, and I've already described why they can be considered equal here: >>676074. His eyes lack some traits the other two's eyes possess, but they have other powers to make up for it.

>> No.676177

>>676168

If its the Original Roa or Roa/Ciel but you're talking about Roa/SHIKi, the shittiest of them all.

>> No.676180

>>676168
void ryougi just erases him out of existance without even touching him
stop talking

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>> No.676193

>>676170
how?? nasu already stated that he can power up all of his spells to Ex rank with Square, and his RM adds Square to all of his spells. It's obviuos that he is superior to both shiki's physical power wise, you know, a demon hybrid who becomes a vampire and add to that the power that was stolen from arc and roa's magical knowlege and the eyes that works works on the shikis because they're alive.

>> No.676199

>>676170

Pretty much. Yes he does.

>>676177

Crappy mana supply aside, he still has enough power to do all the things he needs to do to win. Original Roa is even more powerful than Sumire, maybe around Crimson Moon Brunestud levels of power.

>> No.676201

>>676193
Yeah, but he couldn't cut his way past say, a safe or a blast door.

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>>676193
dont get ahead of yourself there, my little 'bro' cant keep up with him but i can, how useless you really are shiki....

>> No.676207

>>676180

I can't even really argue with this statement.

>> No.676208

>>676199

Original Roa is nowhere near the level of a Type.

>> No.676212

>>676201
Ex rank spells in servant terms would be like spamming a less powerfull Ea, what kind of door could withstand that??, isn't like anyone could afford a door made of diamonds

>> No.676213

>>676201

This is also true, but he could use magic so the point is moot.

>> No.676220
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676220

What you people seem to forget is i dismantled that 'thing' so he's not a concern.

>> No.676222

>>676208

Arcueid's power. Enough said.

Crimson Moon is ORT's bitch any day.

>> No.676224

>>676208
arc and altrougue were defeated by him, original Roa >>>>> 30% Arc. Let's say that 2 times more powerful would be nice, neco arc power level nasu wise

>> No.676226

>>676220

This is also true and I can't argue with it.

>> No.676227

>>676193
Ryougi can destroy his spells with her eyes.

Roa/SHIKI's physical strength is shit. Not only did he lose to Arcueid 17 times, he loses to Tohno Shiki in all their fights except for the one Ciel interrupts in one of the Near Side routes and Akiha rips him apart while she's a mindless zombie.

Ryougi's Eyes > Shiki's Eyes > Arcueid's Eyes > Ilya's Eyes > Roa's Eyes

All his eyes can do is make people tired when he stabs them. They're completely useless compared to actual MEoDP.

Also, 10/10.

>> No.676234

>>676222

Roa stole Arc's power first before they fought. Even then, she's using a majority of her power to suppress her bloodlust.

>> No.676246

>>676227

Adding to that, Roa/SHIKI was being overpowered by Shiki in their first encounter.

>> No.676250

>>676227
ryougi 3rd = ciel <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Arc in physical power terms

Arc defeats Roa before he gets back all of his magical knowlege every time

>> No.676262
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>>676227

Ryogi can only kill one attack at a time and not his magic entirely.

Physical strength is average for a vampire, which should at least equal that of Ryogi and Nanaya. He lost to Arc because she's fucking Arc and was extremely powerful even without most of her power. Tohno defeating him was forced plot anyway and manga is going for a more realistic end. Also of note is that his true power wasn't defined until after Tsukihime was released. He wasn't really intimidating until now, really.

The only reason Tohno survived was protagonist hax. They killed Arc in one hit, though she was already fighting back her bloodlust at this point.

>> No.676264

>>676246
Note under stress shiki taps into his 'near superhuman speed and strength'
if he slips into Nanaya his combat prowess jumps though the roof and ruthlessness which can good and bad.

>> No.676268

>>676250

Also this. Very, very much.

>> No.676273

>>676262

Roa's powers are the biggest fucking case of LOL NASU fucking ever. GODDAMN. I mean, at least it's KIND OF explained with >>676250. KND OF.

>> No.676326

If you think about it, Roa was a pretty dangerous guy, just becoming a vampire adn stealing some power from Arc was enough to bitch slap the two possible Crimson Moon succesors, he was the one who teached soil of genesis to Nero and Nero himself said that Roa could have managed to discover a way to control the Chaos, but arc defeated him all the times before he could gain back all of his power adn knowlege.

Now just think about this, if Roa was allowed to live 800 years old researching and getting stronger he would be a Type level monster by now

>> No.676360

>>676326

Indeed. The thought of any being becoming as powerful as ORT is blasphemous, but otherwise this is correct, he could probably obtain Crimson Moon/Demon Lord power in as many as a hundred years if left to his own devices. God knows that even the church couldn't take care of him without Arcueid doing all the work.

>> No.676364

>>676262
shiki didnt win because of protagonist hax. he won because SHIKI is a bitch. SHIKI is a loser and will always be a loser, he could have the ability to shoot laser beams out of his eyes and shit nuclear bombs and he would still lose.

SHIKI is amazing at finding ways to fuck up.

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>>676364

Maybe...

>> No.676379
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>>676372

OH WAIT.

Roa competence > SHIKI's recklessness.

>> No.676381

>>676379
A dead curry butt is the only good curry butt

>> No.676386

>>676379
Ciel's death = the ultimate fanservice

>> No.676393

A couple of questions about the movie.

What exactly is happening to Shiki's arm when she first meets Kirie?

Also how is she strangling her in their second meeting?

>> No.676401

This Thread is awesome because it has introduced me to Roa vs Shiki Ryougi, a battle that would be just so astoundingly epic my eyes would explode from watching it.

>> No.676410

>>676393
Dollarm
Aozaki is a fucking mage that made a dollarm that can strangle fucking ghosts

>> No.676411

Shiki Vs. SHIKI?
SHIKI is non-human enough to trigger Nanaya blood and get instantly annihilated. That's about as far as that fight goes.

>> No.676422

"Did you stop the bleeding on that arm? It doesn't seem to be, at least."

"Yeah, I killed it 'cause it was useless. You can make an arm, right? You're a puppet master after all."

"All right. That will be your pay for this job. I always thought that your body was too normal in contrast to you eyes. I can make that left arm able to grab spirits and such."

>> No.676428
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>>676411

SHIKI alone? Admittedly, yes. This is unavoidable.

Roa/SHIKI? Read the fucking manga.

>> No.676432

>>676428
No, the manga is shit compared to the VN.

>> No.676433

>>676401

Concur'd.

>> No.676443

>>676432

I believe you're talking about the anime. Most everyone is under the opinion that the manga is quite pleasent because the creators got their shit together (unlike with the anime) and were able to combine all of the big plot points of every single scenario.

>> No.676454

Who would kill Shirou faster?

>> No.676460

>>676454

Shiki.

>> No.676463

>>676454
Shirou would kill himself faster.

>> No.676465

>>676463

Considering the facts, you're probably right.

>> No.676468

>>676454

Ryoga, definitely. Tohno fucks himself over because of the fight and Roa/SHIKI would have to rely on magic to destroy the swords and would be the slowest. SHIKI without Roa is just fucked.

>> No.676477

>>676454

Ryoga, definitely. Tohno fucks himself over because of the fight and Roa/SHIKI would have to rely on magic to destroy the swords and would be the slowest. SHIKI without Roa is just fucked.

But even then Shirou would probably kill himself before any of the above would have the chance to even try.

>> No.676491

>>676477
>>676463
Definitive answer. Shirou would end up killing himself fastest.

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>>676477
>Ryoga

>> No.676666

>>676454

I dont know but one thing I do know is that Tohno Shiki is the one who would have the most trouble though because his Mystic Eyes actually harm him. I mean sure, in the end he would win,he just wouldnt have a very assured future. The same even counts for Nanaya as well I believe.

Ryogi and SHIKI with no Roa, would just have a ball with Shirou though. They would both be able to destroy his projections over and over untill he finally and really does kill himself. With SHIKI/Roa,imagine Caster Vs Archer again. Except that this time Caster cannot die by just hacking away and is also somewhat skilled in hand to hand combat to the point where even with his self-gained experience he can be killed in the most painful way possible.

Mostly though,what Anon said is accurate,Shirou would kill himself the fastest.

>> No.676687

You guys are crucially forgetting that even IF technically Roa/SHIKI can see life, Nanya/Tohno Shiki can actually see death coming at him in the face as a subset of his power. He's literally nigh on unkillable because he can always react to it.

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676693

but Shiki is moe, so yeah

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>>676693

>> No.676716

O.k guys, I skipped Tsukihime's Near Side route, who the hell is Roa, and what the hell does he do?

>> No.676720

>>676716
you supress him in Ciel's ass

>> No.676726

>>676716
He's a man with an exposed chest who tells Shiki how to masturbate while choking someone. He's a hero to us all.

>> No.676728

>>676716

Roa is a faggot.

>> No.676755

>>676716
A guy who wants to fuck his sister.

>> No.676774
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676774

>>676755
>>676728
>>676726
>>676720

>> No.676775

>>676755
I wouldn't mind fucking his sister

>> No.677043

>>676074
I shat bricks

>> No.677087

1. Original Roa was done in by a combined effort of the Church's weapons and agents and Arc. Let's not forget Roa beat the FUCK out of Atlrouge, and in a very short time. And Alt > Arc.

2. Shiki beat SHIKI because most of Shiki's attacks have the element of absolute surprise. SHIKI thought up until that point that their abilities were the same. Then he was dead of point stabbing. "I'll show you what it means to really kill things."

3. This was after getting THOROUGHLY chopped up by a hallway collapse. This was also AFTER 30% Arc unleashed a Marble Phantasm on him, so Roawas already winded--his own admission.

4. Roa's other defeats have also been the direct result of inattention and neglect in the Tsukihime story (eaten up/chopped up by Akiha, beaten by Ciel/Shikil only for him to QUANTUM LEAP at the last second).

5. In a straight up fight, it's as Nasu typically loves to write. "For all their extras, they're still human. They can't compare." Both Shiki's would be fucked.

>> No.677105

>>677087
To explain the differences in power, keep in mind that not all of Roa's abilities are existent in the different routes. SHIKI could just be a poor host. In far side, Roa doesn't even surface.

>> No.677107

>>677087
Thread is now over, no more posting. Good conclusion is good.

>> No.677180

I hope Roa in MBAA gets some serious lightning bolt spam

>> No.677398

Erm, Roa's original body was h4x, the rest, not so much, hence why Arcueid was able to kill him solo every single time. His latest incarnation was so weak that Tohno Shiki could match his speed and strength. In Akiha's route, Shiki pretty much kills him solo.

>> No.677422

>>677398
SHIKI still has a better and stronger body, but knows shit on how to fight, unlike our favorite 'assassin training since toddler' Shiki.

>> No.678254
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678254

Enhance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of you

>> No.678257

>>677422 08:27
>>678254 12:38
Fail

>> No.678301

>>678254
Archer, is that you ?

>> No.678302

>>678254
THIS NASUVERSE'S GETTIN' CRRRRRAYYYYYZZYYY!!

>> No.678328
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678328

>>677087
This is Altrouge btw

>> No.678330

ITT my dad can beat up your dad

>> No.678333

>>678254
Is that official art?

>> No.678349
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678349

>>678328
And these are her body guards standing next to her. The one on the left is Fina-blood Svelten ant the one on the right is Rizo-Waal Strout.

>> No.678356

>>678333
nope.

>> No.678357

>>678333
No, but Nasu has said that Enhance resembles Dante from Devil May Cry.

>> No.678364

>>678254

Lol weak faggot. Comeback when you can fight servants you shitty DAA.

>> No.678383

>>678364
I'll kick your ass you fat hikki shit

>> No.678397

>>678383

Do it.

>> No.678438

I was here last night. I'm one of the Roa/SHIKI supporters.

>>676666

SHIKI is fucked without Roa. He just can't destroy weapons like Ryogi can.

>>677087

We're going with a Roa with all of his powers like in the Manga. Basically the most accurate portrayal of most of the characters according to all the information we've been given. One big thing you've got to remember is that Nasu hadn't thought of making Roa immensely powerful until after Tsukihime was released, so he basically only got many of his abilities after. His lack of them in Tsukhime was explained by Nasu as "Oh, SHIKI hadn't remembered enough of Roa's knowledge to be powerful and Arcueid keeps killing him before he gets anything significant and that's why he keeps dying in all of his past lives.

>>677398

Roa is not controlling him at this point. I mean, he doesn't have any influence at all yet, so he only really has his Tohno demon blood abilities and a reckless insanity.

>>678254

Enhance is pretty damned weak, actually. Nothing like Dante from DMC.

>> No.678464
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678464

>>678383

Looks familier, huh?

>> No.678481
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678481

>>678357

>> No.678495

ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki

>> No.678502

>>678495

That's a lot of opinion in one post. But what the fuck is an ORT?

>> No.678505

>>678495
Copypasta from Fuyuki?

>> No.678511

>>678495
Arcueid > Zelretch > Gilgamesh
can't be bothered to look at the rest

>> No.678516

>>678511
Are you assuming there that Arc is at 100%?

>> No.678531

>>678511
Shut up! Zelretch defeated Crimson Moon!

>> No.678538

>>678495

Original Roa is right under Crimson Moon Brunestud. Imagine if >>676326 and >>676360 took place? He'd have Type levels of power.

Seriously though, nobody accepts that list anyway. Many of its listings are painfully inaccurate.

>> No.678548

>>678516
Yes.

>>678531
"Zelretch has grown older since that cataclysmic battle, and he can no longer use Kaleidoscope magic extensively."
Old man is old, and he's had his blood sucked too.

>> No.678549

>>678531
Zelretch is old and can't do that kind of magic anymore.

>> No.678563

>>678548

Vampiric superhumanity is the only thing keeping him going, actually.

>> No.679373
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679373

>>678502
ORT is a gigantic spider-like creature from the planet Mercury to eliminate mankind, but it came to Earth several million years too early, so it went in to hibernation. It is also one of the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors because it killed the old No. 5 and drank blood.

>> No.679598
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679598

>>679373
Nasu, you fucking thief.

>> No.679617

>>679598
Lavos ripoff?

>> No.679622

>>679373
He's also something that was mentioned briefly in a novel no one read.
Can't believe some retards created so much shitstorms about a non-character(thing?) like ORT.

>> No.679651
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679651

>>678328

In the most amazing case of Beginner's luck, this girl here managed to shear off my golden locks.

She's paying for it in obscurity, though. When people mention the Brunestud name it's me they think about and not her.

>> No.680386

>>679651

It's because your nemesis raped her.

>> No.680397

>>678495
>Shit Tier
ORT Crimson Moon Primate Murder Zelretch Gilgamesh Arcueid Black Sakura Berserker Black Saber Saber Lancer Rider Archer Caster Aoko Nrvnqsr Kouma Barthomeloi Kojirou Ciel Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) "Ryougi Shiki" V Sion AC Satsuki R.Shiki Bazett≥ Akiha Fujino Araya Touko Alba 18th Roa SHIKI Kiri Reinforced Kuzuki Sion UBW Shirou ha Avenger Nanaya Rin Kotomine Zouken Leysritt Satsuki Rio Avalon Shirou ha Sakura Salaryman Dead Ilya Corpse Azaka Misayo Kirie Zombie Dragon Tooth Warrior Fuji-nee Shinji Fake Shiki

>Top Tier
>Len, Miyako, White Len

God Tier
Nasu

Thread fucking over.

>> No.680463
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680463

>>680397

>> No.680490

>>680397

I lol'd.

>> No.680497

>>680386

She's still in withdrawal.

>> No.680618
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680618

Apparently Roa is extremely similar to Akiha Vermillion but with Arcs that do damage comparable to those of Nrvnqsr.

>> No.680626

>>680463
That's not even trolling, get out newfag.

>> No.680680

>>680618

So basically the easiest character to use ever? Well, I guess that setup makes sense. All of the heat attacks would be switched to electricity attacks, and I guess Blood Heat would be Overload.

>> No.680700

>>680618
I want my fucking bloodswords

>> No.681067

>>680700
that's SHIKI, not Roa

>> No.681071
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681071

>>676401

SOMEBODY GET TOHONIFUN TO DO THIS.

>>676693

Even Roa thinks she's moe.

>> No.681089

>>681067

Considering the direction the manga is taking, I wouldn't be surprised if he had the bloodswords too.

>> No.681125

>>681071

He can barely suppress his HRRRRRRRNNNNGCK.

>> No.681130

Hey guys. Is Roa chinese? Because 'Valdamjong' sounds chinese to me.

>> No.681211

>>681130
It's clearly German or Russian.

>> No.681243
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681243

>>681130

"Michael" should be a big tip off to the contrary, but his original form is described as "a foreigner" and "impossibly blond," so...

His original form was described as "impossibly blond" and as "a four

>> No.681256

>>681211

Wasn't he English?

>> No.681557

>>680680

You did see the leaked vids on Nicovideo, right? His lightning bolts do even more damage than Akiha Vermillion's heat tendrils.

>> No.681564

>>681557

They also go farther and are faster. It's kind of ridiculous.

>> No.681579

>>681557

It wasn't a leak.

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