/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I miss Beato so much.

So Battler was fantasizing about his aunt, huh? Well, it is Rosa, so I can't really blame the guy.

>>6747565
He is master of all fetish

Ange figuring out Amakusa's plot and shooting him is the best part of episode 8.

;_;

http://may.2chan.net/b/res/29225201.htm

i can see the real amnesiac Battler's thought from this goat-kun monologue from EP4

>同人発のコンテンツで
>うみねこより上位のコンテンツは東方、月姫、ひぐらしのみ
>大成功じゃね？


Overall, compared to /jp/. they are quite reserved, I don't see insults or bithcing.

>>6747793
You should check the reviews at EGS
That there are no insults doesn't mean they are less mad.

>>6747793
you haven't seen the threads on 2ch then
also, in that same thread someone said R07 should give apolojuices

>>6747793
Read harder, lots of negative comments in this thread

>>6747775
FUCKING TRUTH
R07 is a hack

>>6747805
Negative, but not mad.

not dies irae mad.

>>6747775
translation?

>>6747815
gaijns are mad because they love Umineko.

Butthurt Fujoshi tears make me happy.

The ending is fantastic and totally in line with what we've been shown. It's a conclusion with duality. It's simultaneously mystery and fantasy, simultaneously true and false, simultaneously an absolute truth, and simultaneously a proposed theory of what could have been.

And I loved it. It was glorious. Especially the part where all the little babies on here cried because they couldn't comprehend it. In the famous words of Bob Dylan, "Don't criticize what you can't understand."

>>6747835
they got mad at dies irae? Why?

>>6747850
Because it was released unfinished with 2 routes missing.

>>6747842
Yeah sure you were the only one who understood it, Ryuukishi-sama is proud of you.

>>6747861
And the fact that it was a FSN rip-off didn't get them mad?

>>6747868
It was marketed as such, so why get mad at something you knew beforehand?

>>6747842

People got trolled by "it never happened, lambda is a cake" crap.

>>6747867
I really hope I wasn't the only one who understood it.

But if I was, hey, we all know who deserves to read VNs the most in this board.

The ending is very sad
I'm too sad at the ending to be mad at R07

Why did you jump, Beato ;_;

>>6747868
If they got mad at every rip-offs they wouldn't play eroge

>>6747882
But so blatant.
At least the MC is voiced and I liked the art better.

>>6747842
>It's simultaneously mystery and fantasy, simultaneously true and false, simultaneously an absolute truth, and simultaneously a proposed theory of what could have been.

This is the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read. You're essentially saying he could neither decide on what genre his novel would be, nor could he decide on an ending for it. So he just made it multiple ones at the same time while obfuscating this silly decision through the use of pretentious tone and his hammer of love.

>>6747879
BECAUSE

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

George was an alpha as fuck gentleman who Shannon loved.

Jessica was her best friend who she confided in fully.

Battler was always shy around Shannon and really stalked her to no end, even when he was no longer a Ushiromiya.

Later on, Battler held her at gunpoint as he finally had his chance to make her his.

Shannon, obviously still in love with George and severely upset at the loss of her best friend, killed herself.

>>6747913
Someone wasn't paying attention. You really should have stopped before you got yourself this deep into it, maybe around Ep 2. You obviously weren't prepared, like a loli attempting to take a massive black cock. It's just too much for your tiny body to handle.

>>6747929
FUCK YEAH I LOVE UMINEKO THREADS BECAUSE OF THIS KIND OF THINGS

nerdrage, nerdrage everywhere

>>6747888
What? Minecraft is voiced?

>>6747917
nice fake spoiler and/or delusions

>>6747943
>mfw he still thinks it is delusion

>>6747929
So Umineko fans are like sluts that take inside them things they should not, and are proud of resulting sex transferred diseases that crap carries?
Makes sense,

・Ep3～8は戦人（十夜）が真実を悟らせない様に書いた偽書。
結局幻想バトルも全て茶番。戦人の創作で俺TUEEEE!!!!状態。
自分を探偵役にしたのは魔女vs人間の図式を成り立たせて犯人候補から外す
為。
・Ep8のラストでベアトが海に沈んでいくシーンは
ベアト（紗音）を海に戦人が突き落として殺し、真実を隠蔽するシーンだっ
た。
後に紗音のボトルメッセージが見つかり偽書を執筆しなければならなくなっ
た。
全ては縁寿と世間を騙す為。

saw this on erogamescape, how likely is it?
rather than sorting out his memories, they were conscious attempts at decieving the world, and Eva protected Ange not from the truth the murderers were her parents, but her brother.
and what did he get the whole "Battler pushes Beato off the boat" bit from?

I told you fags 7 games ago Umineko was shit.

>write mystery
>mystery is entirely based around closed room murders
>never even think about the solution to the murders
>write 8 games anyway
>seriously, he thought that the solution to the murders was not even important
>but magical trolling and legions of superfluous characters who did nothing were important
>shit ending
>insult readerbase

Yeah, work of genius.

>Bern and Lambda are based on Yashiro's cat and cake
>They appear in EP 1-2
>Those episodes were made by Yasu, Kyrie found them in the gold room

Explain.

What? People have finished reading ep 8 already?

Who got told?

>>6748099
Eva-batman returns?

>>6748154
Meta was added by Hachijou.
Episode 1 and 2 were originally only plans that Yasu made before the conference.

>Au Au is Bernkastel"s "master"
Explain this with your shitty theory

>>6748154
In episode 1 and 2 they appear in the meta-world, which isn't part of the story and takes place in BATORA's head.

>>6748157
Everyone, including the author.

>>6748153

Huh? The closed rooms were dealt with in Ep7.

>>6748099
Battler created Yasu/Beato as his scapegoat. Think about it. Yasu probably just a normal maid who is in love with George.

Gees, guys, have a little faith. I'm sure everything will be resolved with Rei or whatever it'll be called. Just you wait, everything will be resolved in a perfectly reasonable and acceptable manner.

>>6748171
illusions to illusions. The writing of illusions can only please illusions.

>>6748163

Hanyuu was resurrecting Rika all the time and in Rei acted like a mentor.

Barn's story fits perfectly with Higurashi.

>>6748171

They were dealt with in a way that was so shitty that it insulted the intelligence of everyone who read this crap. I knew Ryukishi would not be able to explain the closed room murders. There were so many, and it would take a genius to wrap up all of them so handily. And Ryukishi is not a genius. And the explanation sucked, predictably.

>>6748176
I admire your faith Chosen One.

>>6748176
I hope your sage suggests sarcasm.

Have you seen the final scene where Battler enters goldland in EP8 aka' dies?

>>6748163
>>6748165

Yasu wrote her stories to create the illusion of the witch inside the Rokkenjima cat box.

It makes sense she included magical scenes.

It was never stated she didn't.

>>6748187
Except that Hanyuu was a minor deity in Higurashi that was going to die when Rika did. Other than a few superficial similarities that are Higurashi references she has nothing in common with Featherine.

>>6748188
he didn't give clear explanations because he was sure everyone would be let down by them since people came up with theories more interesting than his work
see pic

>>6748191
His "sage" suggests that he didn't feel his post had merit enough to warrant a bump to the thread. Also, if said post was not sarcastic in nature, he must have a lot of trouble conveying his thoughts to other people without misunderstandings.

>>6748201
Not giving explanations is a cop-out, since you can't really be sure he wasn't just making shit up as he went along. One thing I liked about Higurashi was that he did provide explanations for everything that happened.

>>6748199
Yasu only wrote her stories for her plan.

Meta-Beatrice isn't Yasu, she is Battler's subconscious memories, she is the one who closed the cat box.

>>6748201

I don't get it, is that supposed to be a defense of Ryukishi? "Fan theories would have been more interesting, so he didn't even try to think up a satisfactory explanation to murders in a murder mystery?"

I fucking hate Ryukishi.

>>6748200

Yashiro Ikuko.

And we never saw what happened after the story told in Higurashi ended.

>>6748207

I dunno. I'd understand people being upset if he hadn't outright said long ago that he wasn't likely to ever say the solution directly.

>>6748217
Yashiro Ikuko who is nothing more than Battler's co-writer and his new "family" as it is shown in the game.
You really think she is a witch or something?

I mad over the fact that Battler was actually a horrible person.

>>6748228
probably his lover as well.

>>6748217
Didn't you read Saikoroshi-hen? There's nothing more to tell. We do know what happens. Rika and her friends live normal lives. When Rika dies the next time, Hanyuu passes on along with her. That's it.

>>6748230
They were all horrible people.
Except for Gohda.
DAMN IT BATTLER, GIVE HIM A GOOD END!

>>6748191
How "Battler ded in 20XX" can prevent resolution of all mysteries from 1986 in one extra episode?

I want to believe believe till the end.
;__;

>>6748230
Same here.

Ryu ruined him on purpose.
George was actually the cool cousin all along.

>>6748238

While Frederica travels fragments for fun.

I see no reason why Hanyuu couldn't become a kakera traveler in the end.

>>6748236
Isn't Battler stuck in a wheelchair? Does his penis still work?

Wait, wait, just when Battler became shy spineless faggot? He's pretty cool in message bottles and Yasu memories.

>>6748238

There is nothing more to tell in the context of Higurashi. WTC goes on. And it's not like Umineko is the last one.

>>6748189
>>6748230
I don't like that chart as much as this one:

>>6747705

>>6748241
> only good person
> NOPE

>>6748258
But the chart in >>6748189 is much more accurate.

>>6748250
Because Hanyuu spends her time besides Rika and then dies along with her. After Rika dies Hanyuu is no more.

And there were no kakera in umineko; what we saw were stories written by Yasu and Battler.

Must it always be reminded that Ryu stated he'd never write the solutions of the closed room ages ago? In every new thread, people use the same excuses every time to troll harder until someone once again rectifies them, I'm getting tired of seeing the same crap over and over, deal with it people, gawd.

>>6747705
VERY well spoken.

>>6748255
Which were written before Yasu actually got to meet him.
The more I think about it the more Battler&Yasu culprit solution makes sense, it explains why the murders happen because he got back.

Maybe the siblings actually loved each other and Eva wasn't bullied?

Maybe Battler just got so buttmad over Kyrie that he started to hate whole family and later he projected that hate without him realizing it?

>>6748257
Just because they're part of the same series doesn't mean that there's continuty of setting and characters. There's simply a continuity of themes and narrative elements.

>>6748264
The fact he said he wouldn't do is doesn't excuse him though.

>>6748255
i think it can still be used.he is not paralyzed.
>>6748252
he is the writer of those tales.that is why he is cool.he made himself looks cool and he made Yasu looks like a girl obsessed for his dick.

I told you George was awesome and Battler was the jealous one.

>>6748264
see this >>6747765
He told from the start he wasn't a mystery, yet speculating was important and you're made constantly made fun of in chiru if you didn't speculate like it was a mystery.
It just shows his lack of control over his own work, nothing else.

>>6748280
Agreed. Whining through his author avatar about stupid readers who stopped thinking about solutions and then turning around and saying "none of the mysteries mattered lol" was in poor form.

>>6748255
Did you forget the part that Yasu was insane?

Also she wrote them in mind with Battler who didn't left the family.

>>6748280
>He told from the start he wasn't a mystery, yet speculating was important and you're made constantly made fun of in chiru if you didn't speculate like it was a mystery
And why doesn't that reflect in his own fucking novels, though?
What happened to episode 5? The rules of mystery? Trust between reader and author? All the hints are there? This is definitely solvable?

The Ushiromiyas were actual good and sane people (exception made for Battler and his parents) and he wrote them that way for literary purposes and projecting his guilt.

There's only one thing I haven't fully understood. Yasu. Did the whole Sayo Yasuda deal happen or she was just a regular maid in love with George?
And while Beatrice represented his subconscious ideal woman shielding him from truth, what about Kanon?
Neither Yasu nor Battler needed Kanon, unless for killing purposes that didn't actually happen as everything was taken care of by Kyrie and Rudolf. Then why?

>>6748280
Guess people are unpleasable, nothing can make you change your mind, as long as you don't get the ending you wanted you'll keep making up reasons to hate the guy, it's not like he REALLY wanted to diss the readers, as it's been said before he'd only bash those who think their theories are irrefutable and have ''stopped thinking'', when will people get that? Just stop getting your hate from people in the other threads' attempts at trolling, which 3/4 of these threads are conformed of, gah.

I'm not saying he gave a satisfying end, just saying to stop being hypocrites and just try and recount every possibility of ways that you could insult him in the very end of it all.

>>6748279
Fuuuuuuck, this must be Ryu's revenge for all of the FATFATFAT jokes ;_;

>>6748310
Since Yasu wrote the first 2 episodes Kanon was presumably his creation. Battler may well have included him after reading them.

I just completed EP8 and I thought you guys are just overreacting as always but...

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF SHKANNONTRICE OR OTHER FUCKING ABOMINATIONS WHEN IT ALL WAS RENDERED AS BULLSHIT IN THE END

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF EP7?!

YOU KNOW THAT IF SHANNON WAS JUST NORMAL MAIDO IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE EP8 IN THE SLIGHTEST??

FUCK YOU RYU

Also amazing CONGRATURATIONS BATORA ending.
Just fucking amazing.

>>6748324
>YOU KNOW THAT IF SHANNON WAS JUST NORMAL MAIDO IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE EP8 IN THE SLIGHTEST??
Shannon normal meido=no explosion

>>6748310
>as everything was taken care of by Kyrie and Rudolf.
what if Kyrie and Rudolph being culprits is just Battler's way of covering himself up?

>>6748314
>Guess people are unpleasable, nothing can make you change your mind, as long as you don't get the ending you wanted you'll keep making up reasons to hate the guy, it's not like he REALLY wanted to diss the readers, as it's been said before he'd only bash those who think their theories are irrefutable and have ''stopped thinking'', when will people get that? Just stop getting your hate from people in the other threads' attempts at trolling, which 3/4 of these threads are conformed of, gah.
Those are some pretty cool mental gymnastics, Ryukishi apologist.

うみねこのなく頃にEpisode8クリア。あまりにもひどいアンフェアな最低作品
！！

うみねこのなく頃にEpisode8クリアしました。今、怒りと悲しみと絶望で身体
中が悔しさで一杯です。
僕がこれまで読んできた物語の中でも、「うみねこのなく頃に」はワースト
1、
最も最悪で最低でアンフェアな作品としか言いようがない。
この物語、これまで散々、沢山の不可能犯罪の謎をばら撒いて読者を呼び込
んできた物語ですが、
それらの謎の解決を何もかも放棄して、全てがうやむやのまま、完全に投げ
っぱなしで終わらせました！！

ああ…、これなら「ひぐらしのなく頃に」の終わり方の方がまだしも数千倍
、数万倍、数億倍マシでした！！
謎解きどこかにあるのかと丹念にうみねこの全テキストを読みましたが、
出来の悪いファンタジーの戦いでは、ひたすら作者の自己弁護と読者への敵
意に満ちた罵倒を延々と暗喩で読まされただけ。
ミステリ作者として、ミステリの謎を沢山出して、それで読者に挑戦しなが
ら、
作者がその解答を出さずに逃亡して終わりにするというのが、
どれほど最低に卑劣なこと、ミステリ作家としてやってはいけないアンフェ
アなことであるか、
作者竜騎士07氏はそのことを完全に棚に上げている！！
最も救いがたく酷いのは、自分の物語から完全に逃げた作者が、出来の悪い
あてつけファンタジーを書いて自己弁護と読者批判で誤魔化して、
自己の作品から逃げたということからも、完全に逃げていることです！！
あまりにも酷い。ここまで酷い物語と作者は初めてです。

>>6748336
What.

>>6748337
I guess posting criticism in japanese means it's more valid or spot on or something.

>>6748336
My thoughts exactly.

>>6748330
I doubt he could take care of everything and everyone only on his own.
Unless he was the one setting up the bomb and escaping with Shannon/Yasu/Beato/whoever that was before its activation.
When Shannon/Yasu/Beato/whoever that was found out, he/she/it was overcome by horror and guilt and killed him/her/itself.
Battler tried to follow, failed and the rest is everything we already know.

>>6748341
No, I just can't read it and thus can't judge what it's talking about.

I think that if r07 had finished everything with ep7's main story (no tea party and ????), it would have been an acceptable conclusion.

OHHHHHHHHH BT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I COMPLETED THE RITUAL!!
THE CHIRU IS COMPLETE!!

BUT WHY AREN'T YOU HERE WITH ME BT?!!!!!!!!!!!

>>6748326
Kyrie set up the bomb.

>>6748372

>>6748376
Then Battler got signal?

>>6748372
Yeah, it was pretty clear Battler jumping after Beato was his way of dealing with the desire to suicide after BT's death.

>>6748385
The plan was to kill most of the family as quickly by Twilight recreations and then just go on rampage to kill them so they couldn't outnumber Kyrie and Rudolf.

Kyrie set up the bomb to mask shit.

However Rosa went into musou mode, got a gun and killed both Kyrie and Rudolf.

Only Kyrie,Battler and Rudolf knew about the bomb

>>6748395
Anyone still like Battler after all this?

This is what, the 50th thread already? When you people get over yourselves and stop making threads based on how much you hate R07? Ok, we get it, you're too butthurt about the ending, you think he called you goats, whatever, just please stop flooding the board with the same angsty crap over and over again.

>>6748400
Learn to hide threads?

>>6748372

>>6748395
That was Bern's gameboard, and nothing guarantees that's what actually happened. Episode 8 is Hachijo Tohya's fiction as well.

>>6748399
fucking no way. he was always a neutral character for me, but now i think he's the worst and most hateful of all characters.

All of these hate threads just show that you people all cared for the VN and that you still do and can't get let go of it. Because you're unsatisfied and currently the only way to redeem that is rage harder, just let go already and wait for Rei or something, raging will not change things, unless they're gainax death threats.

>>6748400
>you think he called you goats
but he did insert us in the game as stupid goats talked down by the characters, you closing your eyes or not feeling offended by it doesn't mean everyone should do the same.

>>6748399
i cannot hate him even if i try....ergh

>>6748399
>Battler
>not insane
>not guilty

>>6748411
Now try reading it for yourself and see if anything is different after doing so. If not, you're just ruining things for yourself.

If I'm going to hate something, it'd might as well be by my own accord through what it shows rather than how others perceive it.

>>6748400
>Never more than one Umineko thread on the front page
>Flooding the board
Whatever you say, goat.

>>6748430
BEST FAMILY EVER

This end would be awesome if it turned out that Battler just said "FUCK YOU" to the whole family went into full dick mode , stole the credit card and left the island alone.

Then he just snatched Ange from Sumadera's family and they lived in wealth til the end of days.

>>6748442
But then an ge would have neevr been able to move on.
In the end she's a famous writer on JK Rowling levels.

>>6748437
>>6748430
What's the story behind these pictures?

So, who didn't die in Episode 8? I probably won't read it for ages. Please don't include personalities.

>>6748422
More like this

>>6748454

Happy families always smile.

>>6748454
Isn't it obvious: Battler was one of the culprits.
But not one of the murders.

>>6748454
It's the end of Bern's game, Battler makes a trollface, Kyrie and Rudolf shoot George and Maria, ahaha.wav several times, and Ange is attacked by goats.

>>6748454
Rudolf, Kyrie and Battler are the culprits.

>>6748458
Eva
Ange
Battler lost his memory
Amakusa and Kawabata probably died

My theory is that Asumu NEVER existed.

Battler just blocked being "Kyrie's son" because of how horrible she was.

>>6748454
Kyrie and Rudolf have planned to fake their deaths, steal the gold, kill everyone else and (I think) blow up the island. Battler knows of the plan and is thus accomplice. However, fan art is persistent in painting him as more of a dick than he actually is; in order to prove his loyalty to his parents, he is ordered to find and kill Shannon, but he instead lets her escape and simply says he killed her. Besides, his parents had guns and he did not.

>>6748469
>Amakusa and Kawabata probably died
only in Trick ending, and even then, the presence of Erika shows it's probably Battler's writing as well.

>>6748469

Oh, jeez. I was kinda expecting a Higurashi-type "this is the world where everyone gets to be happy" deal. Yeesh, sucks to be everyone who's not Battler, huh?

>>6748469
We don't know if Eva survived or not.

>>6748448
What's with this picture?

>>6748476
Who knows, Ange is crazy.
She remembers Bern and all after oh so many yars and their last confrontation that revealed the family as culprit

new shroedinger

>>6748474
>However, fan art is persistent in painting him as more of a dick than he actually is
Yeah, I mean, people are so stupid! They really believe Battler should have bothered to prevent his relatives about the murders!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpYgpF1bqQ#t=0m35s

>>6748490
More like OLD schrodinger from before Ep 8 was released.

captcha: krauses distance

I suppose Krauss is pretty far away on the moon.

>>6748474
>Battler knows of the plan and is thus accomplice. However, fan art is persistent in painting him as more of a dick than he actually is
Yeah, it's not like he could have told his relatives about the murders, right?

>>6748491
>his parents had guns and he did not
He may or may not have been a dick, but he had a reason to be one.

So is the "Fake Murder mystery that went horribly wrong" theory been proved wrong? I always heavily believed in it.

>>6748494

Yeah, he's saying its actually hard to look at some of his old fanart now with the new stuff out.

also, dat rosa cleavage

>>6748482
Lambda helps Battler and Ange in a pretty important scene. It's when she gets written dead by Featherine.

I can't help but feel like this is the Murder of Roger Ackroyd on a grand scale. Didn't Erika tell us to read that in 5 or 6?

>>6748503
episode 8 doesn't provide answers, just another gameboard. People are speculating on what really happened just like before, only with new hints.

This is unacceptable.

I am mentally redacting Umineko in its entirety.

From now on, I am treating the entire affair as terrible Higurashi fanfiction.

>>6748514
Ackroyd had class as a mystery.

>>6748336
I completely agree.

It still has many elements from "and then there was none" but it didn't end half as good.
Even some characters match perfectly.

>>6748533
Natsuhi=religious retard
Rosa=main female character
Servants=Natsuhi (again) and Krauss

EPISODE 7 QUESTION : About the "No love" truth.
At one point, Rudolf calls Battler to go out, and then NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT BATTLER.
He's not getting shot, nothing. Why r07 ?

EP9

Holocaust of the Golden Witch

Nazis are actually the killers (they came to retrive the gold) and they send special post Waffen SS Gruppe squad to the Rokkenjima.

Family fights with them.

>>6748557
It doesn't matter.

At least Rosa delivered justice to Kyrie and Rudolf.

>>6748566
>Nazis are actually the killers (they came to retrive the gold)
EP7 was translated and still people are saying the gold is german?

>>6748400
We are not butthurt by the ending. Aged Ange meeting amnesia-ridden Battler in their late days is perfectly okay. Even more so since they have both lead a good life. The final bit at the orphanage is also fine by me.

What is not okay is, that Ryukishi keeps pressing the point "to not stop thinking", that the mystery is "fair", that all his readers are stupid "black goats", that we have to trust him, and then refuses to give us an answer after we have come up with out theories. The whole last episode is nothing but him making excuses screen after screen to close the cat box and not say what really happened.

It is not us that has stopped thinking, it's him.
Also, there is a limit to breaking the fourth wall.
× うみねこのなく頃に
○ すいりのなく頃に

>>6748503
It wasn't denied at all

>>6748582
What's with this bullshit with Rosa anyway?
Episode 8 didn't show anything about Rosa stopping Rudolf and Kyrie.
To the contrary, the whole deal with Rudolf and Kyrie is just a irrevelant gameboard made by Bern so she can stall time with battler and beato.

It has nothing to do with Beato's games at all. Episode 8 never confirm that Rudolf, Kyrie and Battler are the culprits, and this theory alone doesn't make sense (it is possible that Rudolf/Kyrie one is correct with EPisode 7, but not with battler).

You guys realize that this episode didn't answer anything right?

Even this whole "Battler made everything up" shit isn't absolutely certain. There are meta elements in ??? as well.

If anything it created more questions.

>>6748557
Now now, no need to blame R07 on an aspect you don't know just because you didn't read, and that's half what this tread is about. EP7's truth is an implication of the real one, but not everything was shown (Rosa killing Kyrie and Rudolph), Battler was supposed to go with Rudolph and since he's his son he'd try to get him to join, however, when Battler goes into a dark, bushy area, Kyrie comes from it afterwards, you can guess what happened. Else I read wrong and suck bawls.

>>6748596
He basically challenged us to a duel and then he run away.

>>6748587
Italian gold = Nazi's god

So in the end Lambda is a bro and Bern was right all along and simply wanted to show the harsh truth.

>>6748630
>Bern was right all along
there is no "right", nothing was explained, get it in your heads

>>6748630
In the end they are are both remnants of Battler's memories and they don't exist.

>>6748596
Yet AGAIN, the goats are referred to only as the elitist people who believe their theory is the absolute true one and won't accept anyone else, they have ''stopped thinking''. This is what, the 20th time this has to be clarified? READ THE NOVEL, dammit, don't just base yourself from everyone's posts.

>>6748645
Woah, calm down there, Ryu apologist.

>>6748645
You should read it. It's clearly stated the goats are the manifestation of all the people speculating from the future, not just the "elitists" (what does this even mean? If you make a theory it's because you think it's true, duh)
Just because you didn't think yourself included in that doesn't mean you weren't.

It is pretty fucking obvious that BT was writing Umineko back in the days.

You can see the jump in QUALITY once EP6 hit.
Then Ryu started writing.

>>6748665
>Ryu apologist.
I'm surprised there are any left after ep8.
Even ZUN writes better stories than that bonehead.

>>6748674
>It is pretty fucking obvious that BT was writing Umineko back in the days.
Exactly what I'm thinking.

>>6748641

Yeah. And Kawabata is Erika.

Nothing is 100% certain.

>>6748687
Erika is Hachijou.

Stupid Sexy R07.
He keeps trolling me with his inconsistent cheap endings yet he makes such awesome premises and god tier characters.

I thought WtC was supposed to be a constant scheme.

Reader don't know what the fuck is going on and then everything is resolved with a grand finale.

Why would you change that?
This is not some deep ass literature...

Well, it's clear that Umineko lost its fans, and don't cope me with that crap that he ''didn't solve anything'', if it wasn't for the ending you'd be all jumping joy for Rei and that's the one reason, I've read all of these threads and know the majority of hatedom, which I share a bit of as well, I'm just one of the few hopeful for Rei and don't like it when people are so pesimist.

>>6748667
Actually, Goat-chans say something like ''Baawwww magic doesn't exist because then it wouldn't be mystery and that's the only truth''. Same applies to you, don't make your own.

So..we really didn't know the Ushiromiyas at all? I mean I'm sure that by the later games Battler was writing them more accurately because he had his memories back more or less, but their personalities and quirks were super toned down and pretty normal by then. For example did Maria even do the uu shit or act nearly as crazy in the later episodes?

>>6748707
>and don't cope me with that crap that he ''didn't solve anything''
But... but he didn't!

HE RUINED BATORA

UNFORGIVABLE (,,ﾟДﾟ)

You all lock love.

Love for Ryu's bullshit.

ITT: People who think the mystery was the only thing Umineko was about

u so mad

What do?

>>6748716
Exactly, because he said he wouldn't way before, and as shitty as I thought it was, we had to suck it up, at least he explained how the real truth's crime was carried out. So far I hate him for not giving enough satisfaction, but pulling nitpicks out of your ass when you didn't like ending and everyone's doing it is just childish remorse, too much baawwing around, I can barely look /jp/ with as much trust and respect as before (not that there was that much anyway, but it was still decent).

Hm.

Crappy as the ending may be, the part where the family says goodbye to Ange after the puzzles was sad.

Especially with hope in the background.

dunno if this has been answered in this thread already but: all the childabuse suffered by the various ushiromiya kids was actually all suffered by ange and battler through rudolf and kyrie, right?
at least that's what I want to think

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>>6748750
>Exactly, because he said he wouldn't way before
See >>6748303

>>6748750

It's not just /jp/. EGS, 2ch, AS.

Everybody is raging.

What if I said I loved to hate Umineko?

>>6748336
wow someone really asspained about being called a goat

If the amnesia ending is THE end, then it really just throws all the exciting moments in the dumpster.

Battler was never going to be caged up and raped forever by Erika. He was never going to sign his soul away. Beatrice "dying" at the end of 5 is severely cheapened. Ange's agony sacrifice at Ep 4 means nothing now.

All the tension is gone because in the end, it's just Battler's brain getting into a fistfight with another part of his brain. If there's no significant risk or consequence than we don't give a damn anymore if we re-read the struggle, do we?

>>6748750

Yes he said he wouldn't solve everything, but I think most people held out hope that he would have done more than this. You may have the opinion the mystery wasn't important, but it was a part of the story, of course people are going to think it's important and want some closure.

And I mean this sort of shittalking always happens when a long narrative ends. Every person has their own grievances with a story, and which such an obviously divisive ending there's going to be a lot of unhappy people.

>>6748812
>Battler was never going to be caged up and raped forever by Erika

Well, he WAS caged up and loved tenderly by her for over 24 years.

If there's one thing I learned from /jp/'s spoiler bitching, is that while they might be correct, they won't convey the dialogue of the episode. And it's the dialogue that matters.

>>6748864
It´s 100% confirmed that Erika is Hachijo?

Somebody knows a screenshot when is says that?

>>6748883
I think that /jp/ has a great amount of information and that is what make this page great. Same that´s the only good thing about it and rest is bullshit.

>>6748812

The whole fucking point of EP8 is "there is no one truth" and "you can create your own truth".

This is how Ange managed to fight off Bern, she created new truth that overwrote Bern's red.

Meta world exist, don't believe trolls and idiots who only read spoilers.

Bern, Lambda and Erika exist. They left to troll next WtC at the end of Tea Party.

Kyrie, Rudolf and Battler aren't the real culprits of the one and only true Rokkenjima at all. This is just a possibility and not final truth.

>>6748886
No. The only character that is linked to Hachijou is featherine.

Also, the ??? tea party only indicate "several decades". I don't get why people think it is 2010.

>>6748902
Saying that the meta-world exist only prove you have no reading comprehension.

>>6748886
In my heart.

>>6748421
OTP

Fuck ATLAS shittranslation just tell me who should pick

>>6748916
Actually, it does exist, but it has no relevancy to the mystery of Rokkejima Prime.

>>6748916

Saying it don't exist means you read it with Atlas or only read spoilers.

>>6748902
Too bad in ???? it is clearly stated Meta World is just a novel gimmick.

If Ryuukishi wants to do Umineko Rei...when it will be out? Half a year?

>>6748926
Rudolf, Kyrie and Battler

>>6748926
the red ones are supposed to be the culprits, not the victims. It's the opposite of what's in your pic.

>>6748930
Except it was never mentioned one bit it was fiction.
Script? Screenshot?

Both Hachijou never mentioned that. Even Ange said that Bern said in red Battler died.

>>6748927
It doesn't.
If it does explain to me why Au Au is "superior" to both Bern and Lambda.
You guys are just new to meta.

>>6748929
You know that pretty much all the people who read it in Japan think the meta isn't real, right? Go read the threads in 2ch.

>>6748926
Motherfucking Battler, Bitch Kyrie and Jack Rudolf Bauer

I've just read the part about the goats attack, so I'll clarify that goats actually represent all people from the future who are speculating about the events on Rokkenjima. The weird part is that there were different kinds of them. First, there were those who were speaking about siestas being Maria's rabbits, Ronove being Genji etc, and fantasy characters couldn't damage them because they were basically denied. However, Will and Dlanor jumped out and easily defeated them with Knox and Van Dine rules, because the goats were so stupid that besides destroying the fantasy they couldn't come up with any decent theories and kept talking about "intruders", "hidden doors" and similar stuff. Then, there were the goats who were saying that it wasn't a mystery and there was no reason to think. Will was nearly defeated, but while he was making a heroic speech, Battler appeared and saved him, and it turned out that refusing to think was the same as acknowledging fantasy.
What I don't understand is, what's with those of us who created sensible theories? Are we goats too?
And, one more thing that suprised me the most, Bern said that ep7 tea party was a lie to test Ange. I don't know what the hell is going on any more.

>>6748948
Ryuukishi heavily masturbating, this is what happened.
That's why Japan hated that episode.

>The meta world was only in Yasu/Touya's head!

>No, no, no and no folks. The meta world was actually confirmed. Why is that? There are only points that indicate it does exist
>1) Ange, as Hisashi Yukari, remembers perfectly that Bern's stated in red that Battler died. This would arguably not be highlighted if it was a fiction. Furthermore, we know that "Hachijou Toya" has written Banquet, Alliance and End, but there was no indication it includes the meta world bikering.
Furthermore, the ???? tea party confirms that Ange -never- met "Hachijou Touya" (actually Ikuko) before because Touya refused. Therefore, as already suggested in Episode 6 with Ange's fuzzy memories: that meeting was -part- of the meta game where Ange is recruited as a temporary miko.

>2) Ange was still in her depressive, nearly suicidal mood (as shown her location where she was about to jump off from the building) just before she decides to overcome the situation and follows a new life.
This drastic change of heart was only because she remembers what happened in the meta world.

>3) The tea party being completely unrelated to the tale, yet we have meta world characters whereabouts etc. Also, Bern suggesting they might meet each other in another * no naku koro ni.

>4) There is no "bern cat, lambda cake" at all. Sure, Hachijou Ikuko has a cat named bern, but she is the human counterpart of Featherine after all, so is that surprising? For all it takes, Bern never switches between human and meta world in this episode.
The lambda cake was probably something taken when Bern "ate" Lambda, as she was initially thought to be scrapped into candies during their first confrontation.
Unless I missed something in the initial flashback of Touya, there is no mention of either bern or lambda in the ???? party.

>Thus, concluding that "everything was in Battler's head due to the amnesia" doesn't make any sense. Moreso because of the end of ???? party.

You fucking faggots keep arguing because, as always, Ryukishi said a bit of this and a bit of that so you can make whatever theory and find proof.
He said "gray" and you're arguing with "it's darker than white so it's black" and "it's lighter than black so it's white".
People just kept saying "next episode he'll say if it's black or white" and now that they run out of episodes they're either running off to a supposed Rei that's not even been thought up yet or raging themselves silly.

>>6748948
>Bern said that ep7 tea party was a lie to test Ange.
While she says this, everything after episode six cries "Rudolf, Kyrie, Battler"-diddit.
I have no idea why she would not want the content of Eva's diary to be the truth otherwise.

>>6748956
The end of ??? was just Battler reconnecting with his past self and memories (Beatrice obviously represent his repressed memories) in the form of a CONGRATULATION BATTLER ripped off from Eva.
There is nothing magical about it.

Same for Ange, Ikuko isn't a witch or something.
It's clearly inferred that the meta-world is written in the fictions in the previous games, especially when you consider that the latest episodes are meta almost all of the time.

Meta-world isn't "meta" for nothing.

>>6748941

AuAu is Hanyuu who became a kakera traveler after some events we don't know yet.

>>6748956
Ange read Battler's/Hachijou's novels and she had taken it for reality.

All points refluked.

>>6748972
yeah, its short for metaphysical

>>6748963
It is Black and White at the same time. We just have seen Black all the time speculating/concluding stuff about the White, and Ryukishi, for shameful reasons already mentioned in this thread, doesn't show us the White.

>>6748973
I'm sure even you think you are going too far with your delusional bullshit

Ange in ??? said something like: "Bernkastel told me in red that Battler is dead".

Meta is real.

>>6748948
My face when i think about people crying for thinking they are goats.

Pathethic,

>>6748983
Ange also talked with Maria through a diary and could see the stakes.
She is as delusional as Yasu, Natsuhi or Battler.

>>6748978

Yeah. Because she's a crazy retard.

Give it a rest.

>>6748422
In the end, krauss just wanted to be a good father and a husband... and have sex with natshui his whole life, but no life sucks.

>>6748988

That happened in a novel Toya wrote.

Real Ange from the final real world of ??? clearly remembers Bern talking to her, not reading about Bern but talking with her directly.

You think we aren´t real?

Stupid reader, fucking goat, ALL of you lacks of love and bittersweet ending

>>>/rs/Umineko+is+a+story+made+up+by+Ryukishi.
>>>/rs/Nothing+of+all+of+this+ever+happened.
>>>/rs/The+author+hasn%27t+thought+about+the+truth.
>>>/rs/He+made+everything+up+along+the+way.
>>>/rs/Ryukishi+is+a+fag.

>>6749001
Are you saying that ??? is a novel Tohya wrote about Battler writing stories about himself?

I LIKE THAT THEORY.

>2ch just calls Ryu a buttmad fag over BT death and readers are his scapegoat for his grief

>4chan and animesuki goes "GOATS GOATS YOU ALL LACK LOVE FAGS FAGS WITCHES WILL BURN YOU AHAHAHA"

Sorry but we are the retards this time.

Didn't read ep 8, so I could be wrong... but if people keep complaining there should be a reason.
I mean, if there was a real definite ending everyone now would be telling FFFFFFUUU Kyrie is crazy etc etc.

Not that I'm accusing R07 since I still have to try by my hand ep 8, but people who are overdefending him make me think of those delusional idiots who keep defending FF advent children since they like the old FF7 and still cannot realise that something once good can become bad as well.

Also I found ep6 annoying and pretentious as well.
I expect to read the real meaning of "without love, it cannot be seen", since it has been 45 episodes that he keeps pulling this off whenever something mysterious goes on.
And well, since we are supposed to be stupid readers as ep6 wants to convince us, R07 better come down to Mt Olympus to show us the light.

>>6749001
Yeaaa but she read the novel FIRST.

Ange is almost mildly insane in ???? and she mixes novel with reality.

>>6748981

Sure. Because there is no way fantasy elements exist in VNs. It's simply unthinkable.

When will you people understand that you are not reading Agatha Christie?

>>6749031
>implying you are not a goat
beatotrollface.jpg

>>6749026
invalid. no evidence.

>>6748978
Yeah, I remember when Tohya claimed to have written some stuff to Ange in EP6. That bit was totally nonfiction too, right?

>>6749049
My evidence is this very scene.

>>6749041

Oh? But what if she don't? What if it all really happened? Why the hell would she care if Battler was stated to be dead in a fictional novel? She was absolutely sure that was reality.

>>6749068
I facepalmed during the whole thing. That was seriously embarassing to read.

Wait a minute: the detective can't be the culprit, can't be deceived and shit!
And then we are told that everything was detective fiction?

Sure it lacks love. R07 has been dishonest and even had the courage to give people "extra hints" and so on because they were supposed not to understand anything (while taiwan theory was true).
Probably R07 wanted to surprise everyone with something completely unexpected to show us that he was always one step ahead, but he fucked up big.

>>6749078

That's not it. Red was 100% true.

The point is that you can create a new truth capable of overwriting the red.

Nobody can stop somebody from writing a new Rokkenjima tale where Battler is the culprit in the future.

And this is why people who think it was the one and only final truth never read this episode.

How to debunk witches.

1)AuAu has superiorioty over Bern and is more powerful than Lambda.

2)AuAu is Hachijou's selfinsert.

3)AuAu doesn't exist.

4)Bern is serving a non existant witch.

5)Bern also doesn't exist.

Thank you.

>>6749077
What is it about?

>>6749105
B-but you can create an alternate reality!

>read spoilers
>dont understand
>exaggerate butthurt
>jp

>>6749078
he also broke half of knox's rules, what a faggot


this entire series is a faggot, japan sucks ass at storytelling. I wanted a mystery, not a magic kawaii baww fest MARRY ME BATTORAH ahahaha.wav

>>6749105
FLAWLESS

>>6749105

AuAu is Hanyuu who stopped being a God of Hinamizawa.

Frederica was capable of manifesting in the real world, obviously AuAu can do the same.

Spending few decades in the normal world is like a blink of an eye for a voyager.

She's more powerful because she's far older than Bern and Lambda, and she was a god not human when she became a voyager.

Done.

>>6749116
>he also broke half of knox's rules, what a faggot

He never stated Umineko was a mystery, he just said one should try to solve it.
And yes, to my left is his current face.

>>6749116
To be honest he never stated that he would have followed Knox.
>I wanted a mystery
100% with you.
I read the first Umineko and I liked it right because of that. Then we basically had a fanfiction with the authors self insertion, jerking off and even more jerking off while comparing himself to various mistery writers (and then telling us "nooo, mine's not a mystery")

>>6749122
Hanyu only lived through Rika and stated that she would die with her.
She also doesn't have that sort of power or personality.

Debunked

>>6749122

ryu made it clear that the higurashi and umineko arn't the same world.

>>6749122

In Beatrice's eyes witches capable of crossing the sea of fragments = senate members.

Featherine retired from senate because she settled in the real world with Battler until his death.

>>6749122

>>6748948
>all people
>What about those who created sensible theories?
There's your problem, it's clear that it doesn't refer to ''all'' people, he means those with the theories shown with the Goat-chans. It makes no sense just to diss your readers like most people here think, he's being self-referencial.

Ryukishi's imagination = Battler's imagination = Your butthurt

WHERE does it say ???? is the truth?

>>6749122
I prefer to be called a goat to believe in this bullshit.

>>6749143
Ep 6 Hachijo talking is not self referential.

WITH LOGIC IT CANNOT BE SEEN

>>6749129
Bern was never loved by Hanyuu its entirely possibe that after she was left alone AuAu bitch found her and made her miko

>>6749129

If Rika became Bernkastel Hanuyy could become Featherine.

There is no proof it's impossible.

>>6749133

No you fucking retards he never said that.

Stop making up bullshit.

>>6749129

And Rika said she will stop being a witch Bernkastel.

Yet in the end we see her fucking with past for giggles.

Believing in magic = You stopped thinking

>>6749161
i really want to see how will you react if you see Bern and Lambda in the next WtC, you goats

>>6749190
Except there is nothing that say that Rika's Bern and Umineko's Bern are the same being.
You guys are so delusional it's funny

Best family is the solution.

Good night.

>>6749161

Your choice.

I know what happened.

R07 thought out the "grand" mystery about a maid with imaginary friends. The problem is that people figured it out right away. so he started to change things around in an attempt to save his magnum opus. Each change either was easily seen through or led to a dead end as evidenced by the "logic error" thing in chiru.

In the end R07 just gave up and rage quitted by saying that it all was bullshit, managing to piss off not only one section of the fanbase but everyone at the same time.

>>6749195
They'll just say that wtc5 is written by Battler as well.

WtC 5 will introduce new witches.
And it will be a novel within Umineko universe.

I cannot wait for buttpain.

>>6749192
except it only applies when you try to explain mystery with magic

>>6749202
well no shit, he says it himself

>>6749198

Except EP6 and their extra tips.

Read Lambda's Diary, it's so obvious she's talking about Higurashi you must be blind to not notice.

I'm bracing for the Umineko version of SOUL BROTHAS.

>>6749220
You are just inferring there, it's never stated.

In the same way I could see that Battler and Ikuko just read Higurashi and decided to create based on the main protagonist and antagonist in their work.
After all it's clearly "stated" that Higurashi exists as a fiction in the world of Umineko and that Battler is a fan of it.

>>6749216
This is real?

Wow Ryu...

>>6749198

>>6749198

Read Demon's Wedding Ceremony in EP6. Skip to the part with Erika.

I bet you guys ctrl'd most of EP6 so you didn't notice.

>>6749216
Hachijou's hand bothers me. A lot.

>>6749202
>the problem is people figured it out right away
>people are still pushing jessitrice, kyrietrice during Episode 5, no one figures out that Kanon, Shannon and Beatrice are all the same person until Episode 6, half of the readers think its DID after Episode 7, you still have retards who don't accept Shkanontrice as the solution even on the day episode 8 is released

Yeah, no. The only thing for that the fanbase of When They Cry is good is coming up with retarded fanfiction-esque walls of text that explain how Jessica is Beatrice because she was raped by Kinzo, despite almost nothing in the so-called "theory" having any strong basis in the story. To say that they solved everything in good time is laughable.

>Umineko can be solved with EP1-4

So, Bern gave Eva's diary to Ange and promised in red that she would let Ange read it first.
...thirty minutes later, Ange still sitting in the same place, and instead of fucking reading it, she is still talking about her shitty life and how she is pursuing the truth again and again as if we haven't read it hundreds of times already.
Fucking Ange, that's why I hate episodes 4 and 8.

>>6749198
read Lambda's and Anges discussion in Ep4

>>6749246
Shkannon appeared by ep01. The only reason why people created other theories is because most, even realising that something like that was possible, thought it was too stupid to be the true answer.

>>6749226

Higurashi is mentioned like 3 times in the whole Umineko, and all we know it's at least a bit similar to the Higurashi we know. Also in Higurashi it's stated that a novel about the events in Hinamizawa was created.

Bern's background story takes a significant part of EP6 and is mentioned many times in few episodes and various tips.

It's something on a completely different level.

>>6749226
all you have for your theory is one inside joke, you know?

>>6749260
Show me it in the archive then.

Only a few people noticed it by themselves before it became a serious theory around Episode 3.

Now wonder what they could do if they teamed up.

>>6749280
I´ve seen the three works, and,without a doubt, Ryuukishi.

>>6749251
Ryukishi is really writing a lot of nothing at times.
The BEST FAMILY-explanation is the only possible one considering how Ange has reacted. It's obviously not Eva, but then there is no other reason for Eva not to tell her what actually happened.

>>6749280
Kubo should be replaced by Anno Hideaki, then it'll make perfect sense.

>>6749260

And guess what? It wasn't.

Because Yasu didn't kill anyone.

>>6749280
They could create something like Ever 17 o Remember 11 x2

>>6749291
>reads bleach
>watches lost

Get the fuck back to /r9k/, normalfag

>>6749297
Exactly. It wasn't like that in R07's original plan, though.

>>6749249

It can.

Except minor details.

>>6749280
Lost pretty much is Umineko, if you replace polar bears with goats.

>>6749297
Yasu was never the answer to the "real" murders, just the gameboards. Plus, he did kill people with the bomb.

In the end, what is good about umineko is its soundtrack.

>>6749334
>Plus, he did kill people with the bomb
NOPE

>>6749344
Exactly. I can't stop listening to lastendconductor and revelations for the last few days.

>>6749334

Kyrie activated the bomb.

>>6749363
There might not even be a bomb, at least not one like we were shown in EP7. Ange got that whole story from Ootsuki, and it was just a tall tale about Kinzo floating around from before the incident.

>>6749344
A question about that.
Every new piece of music is in BGM4, right?

>>6749390
Yes. There's also the first opening, because it plays during the credits roll in the "trick" end.

I just read the frist part of ep7 and it was very um short and happy.., Is ??? and the tea partyreally long and that much of a troll fest?
Also who would you think r07 like more us or the japanese fans.

>>6749417

Tea Party is very long.

>>6749417

He hates both because we don't think, apparently. Or, we don't love.

Most likely more of the japs though since he can't even speak a smidgeon of engrish.

what ever happened to the tips thing from ep 1?

>>6749432

What about ep8 length ? Normal part, Tea Party and ????

Now you realize this scene makes more sense

>>6749695
holy shit.

>>6749695
Say what you want about Umineko, but it still has some seriously awesome characters.

Hey, I've seriously been wondering.

I know Umineko Tsubasa is a collection of extra TIPS and short stories written by Rykishi07. Could anyone list all the ones that appear in it?