/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>What is /jp/ hoping

Any sort of grant master metatroll. This can range from Higurashi characters popping in and being the solution to the executable actually being a deltree command in disguise to Ryukishi dropping dead of a heart attack without telling anyone where he's hidden all of his copies.

the whole skananontrice thing was a massive distraction and the actual "truth" is fits perfectly from the start.

>What is /jp/ hoping/expecting/etc.?
Trolling.

My body is not ready.

I'm hoping you idiots condense your threads when it comes out.

Battler and Beatrice say when they murder the shit out of Erika that the true number of people on the island is 17.
Given Shkanontrice, there should only be 16, right?

WHO IS +1?!

We find out who has the penis: Zephar or Furfur.
THIS KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT, R07, AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY!
Okay, in a good way a little.

>>6716497

Rosa's husband

I don't even know but I know I'm really excited.
I hope we won't have a predictable ending, I loved the ideas of three different routes.
I expect a better explanation of Sayo's reasons and a realistic confrontation with Battler/Jessica/George.
If Ryukishi's going to redeem Kyrie and Rudolph, I hope his motivations won't be the usual "they had a dark past".
I still believe that the Mastermind is not Sayo and that game 7 was mostly Bern messing around.

cake anon here, the umineko cake turned out pretty good <3

>>6716495

Well, the only other Umineko thread on the first few pages was for the fighting game.

I'm hoping for a bittersweet ending... a sort of "twist" on the EP4 aftermath, I guess. Where Eva and Ange end up having a happy life together - maybe with Battler surviving, too.

>>6716507
Part of me is eager to see what Rosa's ex-husband and Asumu look like, but the other part of me remembers how progressively bad the character designs have gotten.

>>6716531
Well, according to Battler at the end of EP7, the truth "isn't a scary story at all" but with what we've seen in the tea party, that's kind of hard to believe.

I do hope that the ending does turn out to be happy for Ange and Eva, though. Battler should stay dead, however.

>>6716497
What? The 19th person is not supposed to exist, Kinzo is dead so there's no 18th person, and Shkannon means no 17th person. Therefore, 16.

>>6716533
Maria's father is probably Rudolph. No other reason Maria isn't allowed to see pictures of her father make sense. It's so she doesn't recognize him.

>>6716547

That sort of worries me... I'd hate to see another Higurashi-ish ending.

>>6716555

Why would Rosa keep pictures of her brother as picture of her husband? Make's no sense.

>>6716563

Bern says it in red that this wont have a happy ending, though with wordplay it could be a unhappy ending for somebody else who deserves it.

>>6716565
Rosa is not a very well woman.
Though I'd hope there's no more incest-related answers in Umineko. Unless they involve Natsuhi.

when exactly should ep8 start leaking? sometime this evening?

>>6716571
'How could it be? The one who had the unhappy ending....was me.'
'Any detective could've told you that Bern. Now...stand on one foot.*cackle*.'

>>6716565
It's not a picture of "her husband", it's a picture of Maria's father, and it was some kind of summer vacation. Suppose they actually met in secret.
It also explains Maria's reddish hair, and why she's retarded.

>>6716597

Rudolph sure loves to spread that ginger gene.

>>6716553
The number should be 16, but they definitely say 17 at the end of EP6.
Perhaps they're just referring to 17 different personae?

>>6716609
*Removes glasses*
My... God...

But I don't think Rudolf is seriously Rosa's husband since two siblings getting legally wed is not an easy process. <_< I seriously think he's someone irrelevant.
While we're on this subject, what's the deal with Sakutaro? Was he mass produced or not?

>>6716624
Possibly.

>>6716555
Didn't Rosa show Maria a pic of her father? I think he was described as a tanned man in a swim suit or something like that.

>>6716638

What year did Rosa rip and tear his vessel? Was there enough time between that and battlers return for Ange to give Maria a new doll?

>>6716651
Okay, that narrows things down.

>>6716624
who said Maria's father has to be her husband?

Rudolf is everyone's father.
Including Kumasawa's son.

>>6716675

That could explain why her husband left her.

Not that I actually think that Rudolf knocked her up. Just saying.

>>6716675
Wasn't it said that they were married, but separated (not divorced)?

Wait. Was Rosa ever married to someone? I thought Maria was the result of a one night stand.

>>6716692
It also explains why Rosa and Rudolph get really angry when Battler makes advances on Maria on episode 1, if you remember.

>>6716711
Yes, THAT's the reason for stopping Battler for pursuing an underage family member.

>>6716711
It's possible. Either rape or consensual incest they both agreed to create an hypothetical runaway husband.
This would explain Maria and Ange's strong affinity too.

>>6716733
You know, it's plausible.

But that's just a little too much incest in one family for me to stomach. I mean, damn.

I would really prefer that R07 doesn't use incest again. This family is already fucked up the walls.
Even if Rudolf or anyone else was Maria's father, what would it change, really?

>>6716744
Kinzo is Rudolf's father after all.
This theory is unlikely, but I like it.

>>6716751
What if Kyrie discovered that Rudolf fucked his sister and had a daughter with her?

>>6716711
'Battler, stop making promises to underage girls on the island! Natsuhi still hasn't fixed the one you broke last time!

>>6716764

Problem, Battler?

>>6716709
Rosa gave her fiance financial support for his business, fiance took money and never returned or contacted Rosa, leaving her in debt and a baby

>>6716709
it was said they were going to get married, but the guy left her just before. never said if they were getting married because he got her pregnant, or if this kinda happened meanwhile.

>>6716578

anyone?

>>6716762
"Well done."
<_<

That reminds me. If Maria were Rudolf's daughter, you'd think that in EP7 Tea Party, he'd want to save her, right? But he only cared about Battler.

>>6716774
We have about 5 hours to go before shit starts selling, so sometime after that.

>>6716774
at least 7hours from now.

The ending will not be satisfying, I can already tell that much.

>>6716780
He abandoned the kid and his wife is running around with an ichy trigger finger. It wouldn't be the best time to be displaying some newfound family attatchment.

Besides, why should he be any better than Rosa?

So much trolling and WINcest ahead.

This surely is going to be un-bear-able.

And what about this?
Rosa was drunk and Rudolf decided to discover what it feels when you fuck your own sister. They do it, Rosa's boyfriend discovers that she's pregnant but he knows that it's not his child so he runs away with the money Rosa lent him. Rosa still thinks that the baby is his, so she hates him for the rest of her life.

tl;dr: Rudolf trolled Rosa.

>>6716831
how would he know it's not his when even Rosa didn't notice? what, did he run some secret DNA tests just in case?

>>6716796
Well, someone is going to get fucked over it in the end. It really can't be a happy ending, like Higurashi.

That is, of course, unless everyone gets God hacks and can suddenly remember their collective existence and then kicks Yasu's ass before it's too late.

Problem, everyone?

>>6716893
George getting bad end would be enough and fair

>Rosa was drunk and Rudolf decided to discover what it feels when you fuck your own sister
Oh my god, it's in his genes.
RUN ANGE, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

>>6716894
Yes. Take your ritalin, bitch.

Can´t wait to see what Ryuukishi show us now.

I hope there is a Battler VS Bernkastel.

>>6716897
But he, Jessica and Battler would all get bad ends.

>>6716897
WHY DO YOU GUYS HATE GEORGE SO MUCH
HE'S THE PERSONIFICATION OF /jp/

in b4 FAT

>>6716920
>rich
>well-educated
>popular and agreeable with everyone
>on its way to became a full fledged businessman
>has a fiancée
>personification of /jp/

one of these things doesn't go well with the others, can you find which?

>>6716920
no, /jp/ consists mainly of cute girls

>>6716925
Well, he hated women.

>>6716917
Jessica, Battler and Shannon agrees on threesome, George gets bad end, wheres the problem?

>>6716925
In all fairness, his fiancee IS a transgendered serial killer.

>>6716940
Oh, that works out nicely.

An elegant and logical answer to EP4.

>>6716920

I don't like him because:
A) He's basically the reason why Yasu went batshit, since he hid Battler's letters.
B) "b'aww mom how dare you provide me with opportunities you never had!!!"

>>6716955
Hmm, I never thought of that theory. With him hiding the letters, I mean.

EP8 spoiler: Yasu is not the fucking murderer/culprit/mastermind.

>>6716955
>A) He's basically the reason why Yasu went batshit, since he hid Battler's letters.
No, you think he hid the letters because you hate him. In reality, Battler did not write a letter because he was writing to family, and had already gone out with around 50 women since Yasu.
>B) "b'aww mom how dare you provide me with opportunities you never had!!!"
A man wants some independence at age 23.

>>6716961
She's at the very least the culprit.
I am prepared to defend this statement.

>>6716780
>    <_<
Get out please.

>>6716610
You're a moron. The line is 'even if we include you, the number of people is 17'. As in, Erika IS the 17th person. No Erika = 16 people because Kinzo is dead (18-1) and Shkannon (17-1).

>>6716981
stop that guys, please

i'm expecting, like battler said in EP7, a happy story where everything went right for the ushiromiyas: rosas husband never leaves, maria doesnt become autistic, battler never leaves, yasu leads a normal life, kinzo isnt insane, everyone survives past 1986, etc.

but at the end you realize that none of this can ever or did ever happen because in order for a miracle to happen battler had to bullshit his way through the entire story

I bet all three of Yasu's romances will fail. Battler will apologize, but stress that he's long since moved on, Jessica and Kanon will stop experimenting, and Shannon will reject George's proposal. As a result of this, Yasu will get rid of all imaginary friends and lead a relatively normal life, with possible romance as his/her true self in the future.

Who will be family head?

Yasu's genitals are actually fine. You know I read posts by a guy who thought he had a serious illness where tiny white bumps appear all over his penis and balls? You know, the things everyone has? Doctors kept telling him it was perfectly normal, but he wouldn't listen. He said it was affecting his confidence.

So it is with Yasu. Yasu's just a little lacking in sex education, unlike its mother, and thinks its perfectly normal genitals are somehow mutated. Battler, who is knowledgeable in these things, will tell this to Yasu after it exposes itself to him, in an attempt to make him feel sorry.

It will be a bittersweet kind of thing
Kyrie will turn out to be under Sumaderas blackmail or something, the cruelty of the murders will be downplayed or avoided at all with "no one died until the bomb went off", we find out the reason for the world peace threat and how Batman Yasu took it upon herself to be thought as the culprit because that was the best way to conceal things.

World peace is at stake because nothing will stand between Amakusa and his little sister. If everything stands in his way, everything falls.

i expect everyone (the readers) will got trolled and will be in heavy denial

>>6717028

The japanese police knew that there was an explosion but didnt tell anyone about it because of its status as asecret wwII submarine base

A predict no new characters.

I'm kinda hoping this isn't the last one. My body will never be ready.
Plus, I'll sorta miss all the theorizing and spoilers threads. ;_;

Can't wait for Shkanontrice to finally be dead and buried. Shit's been going on way too long.

>>6717060
i wont miss spoilers threads but i definitely hope its not the last one too

How about EP8 being a world where Ange doesn't get sick and they bring her to the island?
They solve the riddle and find the gold and Yasu tells them about the switch and Eva gets all paranoid over the switch and can't tell if it's on or off and ends off breaking it and getting it stuck in the "on" position.

Instead of killing each other over it, the family spends their remaining time together reminiscing on all the good times they've had together. Kyrie apologizes to Ange and to Battler, Rosa apologizes to Maria, Eva apologizes to George and Battler apologizes to Yasu.

Then they all die.

>>6717060
>>6717071
It's the last one. I'd bet all I own on it.

I expect Shkannon is false, that Kanon and Nanjo are really culprit and accomplice/master mind. Nanjo really was in love with Beatrice, screws her silly, she gets pregnant, Sayo is the end product "My grand daughter" or whatever. He switches babies, Kanon is really BATTLER Ushiromiya. He tells him he was cheated out of the family, Kanon wants revenge.

There's Umineko Rei too.

>>6717064
Seriously hoping that, but EP7 and the rest were so clear about it that i do not think that could be posible

>>6717079
It could be possible by some crazy loophole for Kanon and Shannon to be two separate people, right?

>>6717072

Why wouldn't they just go to Kuwadorian?

>>6717075
You just came up with the stupidest thing possible, didn't you?

>>6717072
muahaha, would YOU seriously spend your supposedly last hours drinking tea and remembering good times instead of desperately trying to get off the fucking island?
if they knew, it would be even enough if they just run like hell until they got deep in to the forest, that explosion didnt destroy the whole place

The only direction this is heading is bad end. Deal with it.

>>6717095
I like it better when they all reconcile and then die.

R07 is too much of a moralfag to let a single one of the characters die for real. It'll be bittersweet in some other way.

>>6717091
Have a point there.In EP7 there isn´t any single prove that says Kanon=Shannon so maybe there is a way out.

I was reading the beginning of the thread, and someone was questioning the number of people on the island. I didn't see it answered, so I'll clarify: At the end of EP6, they said to Erika that "Even if you join us, there are 17 people" in red. This means that Erika is the 17th person, so the real number is 16.

>>6717116
Yeah. All that happened was Beatrice saying she'll give Shannon a little brother. This could just be Beatrice referring to a boy who was new to the orphanage and is friendly to Shannon.

cant wait until after all of this talk he pulls (almost) Matsuribayashi anyway

>>6717116
Well, there's the whole 7 weights scene.

>>6717097
I summarized it.

>>6717122
And if everyone is still stick in the part that says "im the 18th people on Rokkenjima" and this one is because they are playing with words.They can be 17 and at the same time 18 if we use some interpretation.

>>6717115

I kind of getting that feeling, too, but I think at least *someone* will die. Probably Kyrie.

>>6717145
I fucking hope so. Doesn't care for either of her children.
Bitch should just die. Worst mother in Umineko, which is saying something.

>>6717139
>And if everyone is still stick in the part that says "im the 18th people on Rokkenjima"
wat

>>6717133
And why showing so clear in EP7 that Shannon=Yasu=Beatrice but nothing about Kanon in there?.It will be REALLY FUCKED UP that Kanon is Shannon but not Beatrice...unless Yasu is a boy.

I want Yasu's gender confirmed...
And I want a happy ending...

WHICH I KNOW WILL NOT HAPPEN BUT I LIKE MY BEATOXBATTLER

>>6717171
Yasu is most definitely a girl, don't worry.

>>6717171
I like my Kanon x Jessica and want a happy ending for them.
BUT THAT PROBABLY WILL NOT HAPPEN.
;_;

But um. Yeah.
Kyrie needs to fucking die.

>>6717175

Then why is leon flat?

>>6717178

Yasu is a whore, s/he is getting it on with three of her cousins/nephews/nieces

>>6717178
You sound like you're from animesuki.

>>6717167
Kanon is pretty much only there as a hint that Yasu has some kind of gender problem.

>>6717178
>Kyrie needs to die.

Why do you want the only truly honest member of the family to die?

>>6717181
Because Yasu is very well-endowed and doesn't want her huge breasts to get in the way of business matters when she takes over as family head.

>>6717184
0/10

>>6717187
In all fairness, Lion being androgynous is another, but I really don't think it's as big of a deal as R07 is trying to make it out to be.

Yum
>>6717190

>>6717188
Because she's a terrible person, honest or otherwise.

>>6717159
Sorry, i was thinking that she says "people" but i see that scene again and i was mistaken, "human".My apologies

>>6717202
Well, look at Shannon, hers are huge and Battler agrees.
I makes sense for someone who is supposed to be very classy and well-refined to try to tone something like that down, right?

>>6717200
Kanon's existence is the gender issue hint that was there since the very first episode that Will was talking about. I think it's pretty important.

>>6717200

But I like my beato not having a penis

>>6717188
Ever hear of little white lies?

Admitting that you don't give a shit about your daughter and being prepared to kill your son without feeling a bit of remorse is just flat out fucked. All she cared about was Rudolf's cock.

>>6717204
That´s a tipical comment that i saw when they say who the culprit in higurashi was.Then, when they show her past, all who where insulting her just feel sorry in their comments. I think this probably will be the same xD

Yasu will never have her pony.
I don't believe Ryukishi's gonna let her/him marry one of the cousins anyway (though all three seem to be the kind who'd marry a transgendered did kille somehow).

>>6717226
I don't think having a tough childhood justifies killing your entire family.

>>6717077
will Umineko Rei be a proper additional episode, I mean, like Saikoroshi-hen was a proper chapter in Higurashi, or is it some shitty compilation of tips?

>>6717226
I loved Takano from the beginning.
She was adorable even with all of her insanity baggage.

Any supporter of the AmakusaXAnge and the Amakusa=Battler theory here?

>>6717233

Oh... it doesn't? ....crap....

>>6717215

I think zepar and furfur was the only hint you really needed.

They were probably Yasu's first imaginary friends.

>>6717226
>xD
Stop that.

>>6717238

I'm a believer in Amakusa = future Battler

I also believe Will = Battler in the same way that Beatrice = Yasu

>>6717216
Why can't you love her either way? Try to be more like Will, man.

>>6717235

We won't know until it's out.

>>6717253
This seems like a good theory, really. The people on GameFAQs have this theory that Hachijo = Battler but I have absolutely no idea where they're getting that or why they think it's important.

EPs 5-7 have been using the EP3 trick. EP8 will be about *cackle* ahaha.wav, Battler crying and hours of continuous zts medleys. UNTZ

>>6717253
let me guess, because "LOL ONE STRAND OF HIS HAIR IS RED MUST BE BATORA! xD" ?

>>6717238
Do want Amakusa x Ange.

>>6717233
It doesn´t necessary has to be a childhood problem. It can be something about the Sumadera family that make her do that.We really don´t have proofs that is has to be what you say, I only talk about a mere posibility were Kyrie is doing that for X reason we don´t know and isn´t some selfish thing like getting all the money.

Yasu being a girl means that all the hints telling us it has gender issues mean jack shit.

I don't think Ryu would waste so much time with the androgyny if the answer were that simple.

>>6717273
You're saying she has something to gain from killing her family and abandoning her daughter that ISN'T 10 tons of gold?

>>6716497

It's Erika obviously.

>>6717276
Well, whatever the case, Shannon/Yasu is a girl. I see no reason why a 6 year old would lie about her gender.

>>6717276
This. The gender question is obviously important, otherwise it wouldn't keep coming up. Or exist at all. Kanon is a totally extraneous character without it.

>>6717241
IMO as Clair was proto-Beato then Furfur was proto-Shannon and Zepar was proto-Kanon

Furfur is the one with the penis
sadgeorge.jpg

>>6717273
I'm pretty sure Kyrie would be a good puppet for the Sumadera clan to use against the Ushiromiya family in order to obtain their wealth.

After all, no one just "leaves the mafia." So maybe her arm was twisted to the point where, if she didn't kill everyone, her family would be targeted along with the Ushiromiya's anyways.

Needless to say, Sumadera obviously don't play a straight hand. They could have even switched the babies to give Kyrie enough of a motive to go out and kill everyone herself.

>he still thinks Kanon isn't another one of Yasu's make-believe people!

I still bet in something like 6-years old Ange being hostage at the Sumadera household

>>6717283
I never say nothing about abandoning her child.Do we really know if what we heard in EP7 is what they feel? NOPE.Maybe she said that to Eva because she wanted her to feel sorry for Ange an take her away.Then again, is only especulation.I really didn´t really mind if Ryuukishi says that where her true intentions and there isn´t a sad past or motive for her, but i don´t like that something that simple.

>>6717276

Hmm. How about this: Yasu is female, but due to damages from the cliff fall, is incapable of having children?

Ep6
>That duel was all about Kanon and Shannon! Beatrice was completely tacked on there, it seemed unnatural. So Shkanon yes, Shkanontrice no.
Ep7
>Episode 7 was all about Shannon and Beatrice! Kanon was completely tacked on there, it seemed so unnatural. So Shannontrice yes, Shkanontrice no.

>>6717333
The issue is framed as explicitly male/female. Not as a reproductive issue.

>>6717333
Wow, that could be true. I can't believe nobody thought of that before.

I don't know why it's so hard to just think of Kanon as another one of Yasu's personalities. We've already seen that it's possible for Yasu to reduce the size of her titties.

>>6717313
This will be a good choice :)

>>6717339

A lack of fertility could give her a complex about her gender, though. "How could anyone possibly love me when I have this ruined body that can't produce a child? I'm not really a true woman!"

It'd put an interesting spin on the George/Shannon dynamic, too, considering he made a point in saying he wants to have a lot of kids.

>>6717269

Narratively speaking it makes perfect sense. Lion is another version of Beatrice. Will is another version of Battler. Battler tried saving Beatrice. Will tried saving Lion.

Also: Why the hell else would he have a strand of red hair?

let me guess: LOL BECUZ HE IS DUH RED TRUTH XD

>>6717352
More like increase. You can't fool the touch of a true breast sommelier, which is why Battler didn't quite make it to groping Shannon in ep1.

>>6717362
Yeah, but it's a little silly to go crazy over something like that. I'm thinking more of Kumasawa, Genji, and Nanjo telling Yasu she was born another gender due to injuries to genitals or chest.

>>6717289
could just be transsexual. it IS one hell of gender problem.

>>6717313
What do the Sumadera's have to gain by switching the babies?

>trolling trolling everywhere
>or
>love love everywhere

either way MAXIMUM TROLLING is to be expected, or a giant let down with a happy end.

>>6717362

No.

>>6717375

Well, Yasu has been shown to be a little crazy, so I wouldn't say it's entirely implausible. Just a thought, at any rate.

Your theory also makes sense.

>>6717362
Sorry, I think "I can't have kids = I'm a man" is a hell of a leap, when, again, explicit male/female is what's shoved over and over as the issue here. Not problems with babies. Beatrice mocks Shannon for when George will "see her body", not when he finds out she can't have kids or whatever.

Personally, I think Yasu is probably intersex. The cliff injury fucked her up worse and made her think she was actually a girl for most of her life.

>>6717333
>>6717362
The issue is obviously that of gender, not or fertility.

And being unable to have children does not harbor gender issues. It may make the woman feel like crap and develop self-esteem issues, but a woman unable to have children is not suddenly going to think she is a man. It makes no sense.

Whatever Yasu's problem is, it involves an inability to have sex. That's clearly what she was referring to in the red guts scene anyway ("This body that cannot love"? Doesn't sound like 'I CAN'T MAKE BABIES' to me). She suffered an injury, and cannot have sex. It is not a stretch to assume that the injury ruined her genitalia. The George/Shannon dynamic is going to be fucked with regardless. If Yasu can't even have sex, she sure as hell won't be making any babies.

>>6717341
This idea has been proposed many times before. Just saying.

>>6717364
That is what I was thinking when i saw the red straight.Then again, Ryuukishi surely just put it there to make the most badass character in Umineko and impress the ladies :(

>>6717313
>>6717355
>>6717332
>>6717341
Well, in actuality, Kyrie would be the one who would receive the gold if everyone was dead considering Rosa's husband is gone.

Remember, since Yasu gave up the headship and no one knew about it other than the servants, they thought the headship still went

Kinzo --> Kinzo's children (chronological order) --> Kinzo's grandchildren (chronological order) --> Kinzo's children-in-law (chronological order)

So, in actuality, it would be Kyrie who receives the gold last. Don't know if that's a motive, but I thought I should point that out anyways.

>>6717375
Well, lets look at Episode 1 where Battler tries to grope Shannon. She wasn't going to do a thing about it. This makes me think that she has nothing to hide whereas if they were fake breasts, she'd probably smack him instantly to prevent him from finding out.

>>6717364
I think the narrative is stronger because Will ISN'T Battler, personally. I think there's a narrative parallel being set there, obviously, but that's different from Will actually being Battler. None of the characters respond to the way they "should" to Will and what he does if he was, on any significant level, Battler.

>>6717396
No, Beatrice mocks Shannon about how George'll view her with lust. And mocks her saying that if he turned her into a maggot George wouldn't love her.

There's nothing like "just wait until he sees your body he'll never love you ahaha.wav"

>>6717364
>>6717400

These are both logical posts, i've been thinking the exact same things...

>>6717412
It's not in Shannon's nature to do anything about it. Doesn't change the fact that Battler never got to feel her up and thus never confirmed whether those were real.

I don't think being transgendered is the issue, more like damaged genitals or infertility.
She isn't unable to have children because she's a (reverse) trap, she is a (reverse) trap BECAUSE she's unable to have children.

She hopes that at least one of her personality will be happy.
And remember how Kanon used to rant about "being furniture therefore not being allowed to love?"

>>6717414

>I think there's a narrative parallel being set there, obviously, but that's different from Will actually being Battler. None of the characters respond to the way they "should" to Will and what he does if he was, on any significant level, Battler.

In the exact same way that characters who know Shannon have, throughout the entire story, reacted differently to Beatrice.

And Will is a magical character made up by Battler. In the same way Beatrice or Gaap or whoever is a magical character made up by Yasu. They don't have to act the same because they are not the same, and indeed don't even exist on the same plane of reality.

Either Beatrice has a dick or Jessica is a lesbian, it's a win-win situation, why are you guys still arguing over it?

I like this theory that Yasu's genitalia and chest were damaged severely after the accident.
This would mean that the only one who knows her real gender would be Nanjo and maybe Natsuhi.

Since Genji also said Yasu was 2 years younger than she actually is, it wouldn't be insane if he asked for her to be raised as a different gender then she was born, I suppose.

>>6717387
Remember how it drove Kyrie crazy? It would be enough of a motive for her to take what she wanted (aka kill Asumu and anyone else in her way). Suddenly what the Sumadera would ask it "if you give us the gold, we'll let you go." So, just kill to birds with one stone. A little more work than need be, but killing the Ushiromiyas when you are already pissed off at one of them already does well to quell ones' anger.

Of course, this is probably stretching it. I'm just basically saying that the Sumadera fucked with her to 1) Give her some motive to kill the family and 2) make her more easy to manipulate.

Oh, something just came to mind!
What about Episode 5? We're introduced to the man from 19 years ago. MAN. This is another hint we overlooked.

>>6717452
It also explains the "Why didn't you just let me die" rant.

>>6717445
The problem is, again, it's pushed over and over as explicitly a gender/transgender issue. I don't think there are two words addressed to Beatrice/Yasu's problems alluding to babies babies babies, but we have male/female in Shannon and Kanon - explicitly a hint - male/female in Zepar/Furfur - again, explicitly a hint, and male/female was, again, the question mark around Lion's own ambiguity.

Yasu's hysterical reaction in the red guts scene doesn't really make sense to me if it's "by the way, you're infertile." She wasn't actually that serious with George when Genji and Nanjo told her character. Having kids never is even mentioned as a part of Yasu or Beatrice's dreams. But "by the way, you're at least part male"? Yeeeahhhh.

>>6717445
>She isn't unable to have children because she's a (reverse) trap, she is a (reverse) trap BECAUSE she's unable to have children.

>>6717447

might I add that battler was the only one who read mystery books as voraciously as yasu, so a magical character based off a mystery novel writer would make sense if battler was the one who came up with it

>>6717452
Genji would know, too. Forgot about him.

>>6717186
You're kidding yourself if you don't think half the people in Umineko threads are from animesuki. They just vary in how obvious they are. There are ones who act normal but then get all XD KINZO IS SO AWESOME when you're not looking.

>>6717472
Probably Kumasawa too.

>>6717482
Your hate towards AS is unjustified. You realize they come up with better theories than /jp/ ever has right..?

>>6717482
I read theories from GameFAQs, Animesuki and here but I only ever post here.
Oddly enough, this is the only place where theories make sense. .-.

>>6717494

Might want to avoid using emoticons here. Most people disapprove of them.

>>6717491
Depends on who is making the theories.

>>6717485
Right, right.

So, lets talk about a related mystery; What went on with Kanon in Episode 2?

>>6717502
I don't give a shit, I use emoticons when I feel like they're appropriate. >_>

KINZO IS SO AWESOME

He is the EMIYA of UMINEKO.

>>6717412
>>6717442
Jessica not only hits Battler for trying to grope Shannon, but also confirms Kanon's death with Nanjo (who already knows about Yasu's dirty little secret).

Remember in EP6?
"Baaaawwww! See Kanon?! I'll do anything for you! I don't care if you're a girl! I still love you!"

Would /jp/ like Geroge better if he were a chick?

>>6717510
2/10

>>6717491
>>6717494
>>6717510
Reported.

>>6717518
Do you think George knows, too?

>>6717510

>>6717520
Yes. They'd view George as the slightly sadistic and teasing Onee-san they fantasize about. There would be copypasta about coming home to George and her bullying you about sexual things and making you feel uncomfortable.

>>6717447
>And Will is a magical character made up by Battler. In the same way Beatrice or Gaap or whoever is a magical character made up by Yasu.

No, not really. Beato knows she's Yasu. Bern knows Beato is Yasu, too, on some level. They, Battler, and others respond to the connection appropriately.

Will? The exact opposite. Will is trying to be as nice and comforting to Clair as possible, but he and she both still emphasize that he isn't Battler. If Will was Battler's piece or any version of Battler, she sure as hell wouldn't have been willing to just let him go like that. And even in the Lion rescue scene, the reason people respond with "Wait, is he Battler?" is because Will is doing what Battler "should be" as a hero, but nothing in the narrative actually points to that at all. Will brought his own reasons to the table that have nothing to do with Battler and everything to do with himself. No allusions to "a sense he couldn't fail Beatrice again", or anything.

I've never seen so much faggotry in one thread.

>>6717520
YES. To be fair I usually like George's kind of character.
His being an ungrateful bitch to Eva and his obsession over Shannon ruined Him for me.

>>6717505
Basically

Shannon: "I'm actually Kanon and doing these crazy things!"
Gohda: "WWWHHHHAAAATTT!?"

>>6717528
I doubt it. Shannon should be the only side he knows about at that point. I don't remember anything hinting he knows anything else.

>>6717535
>If Will was Battler's piece or any version of Battler, she sure as hell wouldn't have been willing to just let him go like that.

Oops, this should be "Bern wouldn't have been willing to let him go", my bad.

>>6717536
Umineko threads tend to attract quite the amount of it.

>>6717447
>>6717471

Interesting.

Willard H. Wright is the pseudonym of S.S Van Dine who authored several detective stories.

Since Will H. Wright is a pseudonym, he was already someone else's "magical character." But I could see Battler "borrowing" him and inserting him into the story as his own kind of pseudonym since we've also seen other magic characters like Beatrice who act and look differently based on who's telling their story.

That would also explain the red hair piece, but that could just be ryukishi meta-meta-trolling again.

>>6717505
Gohda nervously stumbles with Genji and Shannon's eyes on him and then Genji says, "It's hard to explain, but basically magic happened. I couldn't believe my eyes."

Gohda got left alone with the wolves.

>>6717528
Probably not. Remember how Shannon denied him in EP2 about getting in the sack? And Jessica asking why not?

Pretty good interpretation of that.

>>6717549
Wow, is that true?

>>6717570
The most that's believable to me for Will=Battler is that Yasu is the one who designed Will as a meta-character, partially inspired by some of the things Battler said. But Battler himself being actively responsible for Will doesn't really work.

>>6717555

>>6717549
wow you guys are all so off.

R07 put will as a FOIL (as in it's not him, not used by him, not alternate him from another world, not a would be him) to battler. that means he's battler's substitute for
A. umineko 7's male protagonist
B. umineko 7's female protagonists' love interest.
C. solver of clair's mystery
D. draw comparisons to battler
E. fanfiction/Yaoi material for his growing female fanbase.
Bern was responsibe for only C.

So is Ep8 on sale yet? If it not it should just be a few hours right?

Gohda is an assassin hired by Okonogi to kill all the Ushiromiyas.

>>6717624
Two and a half hours.
I'm getting the fuck off the internet when it does.

I really don't think Will has anything to do with Battler other than being a detective for Bern. You're basically saying because he has a red strand of hair, he has a connection to Battler. Gohda has a boe-tie, but he isn't Bern is he?

>>6717122
Wrong. "Even IF we include you" means if they include Erika or not the number of people is 17.

Sooo... in episode 7 we saw Kanon and Lion, as well as Shannon and Lion, but we can't see Kanon and Shannon together, how is that possible?
There are 3 possible outcomes for the story and it's about 2 children not one. One a boy and one a girl. In Lions verse one gets accepted we don't know if it is the boy or the girl, and one becomes a servant we don't if that is the girl or boy, that's way we can see Shannon or Kanon beside him but not Shannon and Kanon because in this verse not both of them became servants, it's either the girl(Shannon) or the boy (Kanon) so only one is possibly seen at the time.
Lions gender is kept secret from the reader so we dont know which of those two is Beatrice. If you read closely you notice that someone says "Yasu and Shannon" referring to them at the same time...you might say Yasu makes that up but if so then why doesn't he make up more scenes in which they interact with Shannon as well?
Episode 7 is a giant catbox with two possibilitys mixed into one sight in Yasu's story. One in which Shannon is Yasu and one in which Kanon is Yasu.

I hate Shkannontrice....yeah....

>>6717646
No.

>>6717646
Since the world of EP7 is actually 2 worlds together, the Yasu who is playing Shannon/Kanon is one person from the same world.
There are only 2 Yasu's, Lion and Shkanon, at that time.

>>6717643

What? no.

If we include you means Erika is included. Erika is counted as a person earlier, dead or alive her body does count.

>>6717646
>If you read closely you notice that someone says "Yasu and Shannon"
No they don't. More like if you read closely you realize Sayo is Yasu's real name, Yasu is Sayo's nickname based on Sayo, and Shannon is the servant name. Nobody days "Yasu and Shannon." They will either say Yasu or Shannon, not both.

>>6717624
Comiket starts in 2 hours, and nobody goes there just to buy umineko, goes back to home immediately and upload the game.
So you can still wait.

FUCK YES

EP 8 IS COMING TOMORROW AND SO IS THE REDLETTERMEDIA EP 3 REVIEW

JUST FINISHED SAM AND MAX SEASON 3, GOD I FEEL AWESOME

>>6717643
wrong.
it means that the real number is 16 +erika(1)= 17.
Erika thought
1. 17 people on the island
2. add myself = 18 people
3. if i use the red to introduce myself i can avoid being erased!
read gets used, only 17 people even if we include you +1
4. i am the 18TH person and only 17 people exist that means i don't exist.

when in truth, 16 people existed + erika 1 = 17
thus red truth of about 17 people on the island is the TRUTH.

>>6717664
Maid!Beelze did that. Only one time, though

>>6717664
They might, actually. At the start of Yasu's story, we're led to think that Yasu and Shannon are two different people. Yasu probably imagines that the other servants can see and talk to Shannon.

>>6717646
too stupid to understand shkanontice.....

now i know why r07 had to make a character just to bash his fanbase.

Maria is the culprit, she's the person that actually inherited the head position. A position that was intended for Battler but since he left the family it went to Maria. The person is chosen by rank of incompetence.

Maria decides to use the servants to go about killing everyone till they surrender to the witch. If they admit Beatrice is real and a witch then the admit Maria is a witch as well by proxy since she's her apprentice.

Whoever writes EP3-4 finds out that Maria is the culprit and decides to write additional stories with Maria actually doing some of the murders. In EP3 she "dies" but she aint really dead. The red that declares her dead is talking about another Maria, that is, Beatrice 2. The reason why Rosa decides to change Maria's name was to honor the person that she killed. Thats why Kinzo is so fucking angry at Rosa for changing her name. So anyways they take Rosa and Maria's "corpses" and put them inside the guest house. Maria sneaks about later locking latches and putting the chain on doors while Shannon goes about killing more people. That is until Maria decides to kill George and Shannon and later Nanjo.

If only Rosa hadn't left the new Sakutaro doll inside the captains boat all of this wouldn't happen. :(

>>6717681
No, she just said Shannon. Because at the time, Berune was being called Berune, Asune was being called Asune. So they used Yasu's servant name, Yasu. And stop with that ! shit.

>>6717681
No, she just said Shannon. Because at the time, Berune was being called Berune, Asune was being called Asune. So they used Yasu's servant name, Shannon. And stop with that ! shit.

>>6717700
Yasu was short for her last name, not first name.
They called her that instead of her servant name out of disrespect.

>>6717535

>No, not really. Beato knows she's Yasu.

I don't think so. Remember the question: "Who aaam I?" the Broken mirrors, it all points to a fractured sense of self. It doesn't matter much at this point anyway.

>Bern knows Beato is Yasu, too, on some level.

Bern probably knows by now because shes been involved in the game from a meta-POV the entire time, but..

>They, Battler, and others respond to the connection appropriately.

When? If Battler knew the connection how would he respond?

>Will? The exact opposite. Will is trying to be as nice and comforting to Clair as possible

Wouldn't Battler do the same if he knew the truth?

>but he and she both still emphasize that he isn't Battler.

Of course, because he isn't Battler in this story, he's "Will"

These are scenes which also include Shannon and Kanon btw.

>If Will was Battler's piece or any version of Battler, she sure as hell wouldn't have been willing to just let him go like that.

Maybe she doesn't know? Even if she did she ended up killing them anway after Will did his job.

Erica, Bern's insert, couldn't figure out ShKanon btw.

>And even in the Lion rescue scene, the reason people respond with "Wait, is he Battler?" is because Will is doing what Battler "should be" as a hero, but nothing in the narrative actually points to that at all.

Will is doing what Battler "should be" as a hero.

>Will brought his own reasons to the table that have nothing to do with Battler and everything to do with himself.

Will is his own character with his own magical back-story just like every other magical character. I'm just looking at the reason why he would be included in the story in the first place.

>No allusions to "a sense he couldn't fail Beatrice again", or anything.

Wasn't that the whole point of EP6?

Anyway this guy explained the will battler thing better than I did:

>>6717614

>>6717705
anon is getting grumpy.

>>6717710
>Yasu was short for her last name, not first name.

>>6717716
Can't have people making shit up.

Find where someone says "Yasu and Shannon." Include a screenshot and chapter. It can't be done, there's no such occurance.

>>6717710
>Yasu was short for her last name, not first name.
You're right, I forgot.

>>6717716
Can't have people making shit up.

Find where someone says "Yasu and Shannon." Include a screenshot and chapter. It can't be done, there's no such occurance.

>>6717723
True.
Screenshot, pls.

>>6717712
>I don't think so. Remember the question: "Who aaam I?" the Broken mirrors, it all points to a fractured sense of self. It doesn't matter much at this point anyway.

She asks "who am I" to get Battler to answer. Of course Beatrice knows she's Yasu, that's the basis for her existence on the meta world - getting Battler to remember his promise to Yasu. Her flashing red text at the end of EP4, all reflections that she's Yasu.

>They, Battler, and others respond to the connection appropriately.

Bern treats "Beatrice" and "Yasu" as synonymous in EP7 once everything has come out. Battler freaks out and cries over Beatrice once he remembers what he did, to Yasu.

>Wouldn't Battler do the same if he knew the truth?

No, the point is is that "Will is trying to comfort Clair as much as possible" at the same time Clair is mourning/lamenting the fact that the one she wanted to save her was Battler, not this total outsider, Will, who she says herself has no connection with her at all. If, in any kind of roundabout way, hey! Actually Battler is the one who saved you! was involved, someone would have brought it up or alluded to it. It would have been a small comfort to Clair's heart the way Will telling her Battler did finally understand her after she died was. But it goes the opposite way instead.

>Will is his own character with his own magical back-story just like every other magical character. I'm just looking at the reason why he would be included in the story in the first place.

The reason people read into Will=Battler is because Will does the things for Beatrice Battler "should be" doing, so it's easy to make the assumption that a connection to Battler is a part of Will's motive for doing so. But there's nothing alluding to something like that. Will has his own independant reasons, he is doing this because he has issues from his time in the SSVD.

>>6717712
>>6717591

I think there's an obvious connection between will and battler besides the red-hair thing but I don't think its because battler made will up but because ryukishi made will up to be the savior that battler couldn't be.

>>6717664
Yasu is short for Yasuda, dumbass. That's her last name.

>>6717723
Was after the key-checking scene but I'm not sure of that. I watched out for that so I'm pretty sure I didn't just imagine it.

So how many hours left?

>>6717727
What now punk?

>>6717774
1 hour 45 minutes.

Need to get the disks and install the game though, just go to bed and wake up to actual spoilers instead of fake ones.

>>6717814
But that's what we're trying to avoid...

>>6717750

>Bern treats "Beatrice" and "Yasu" as synonymous in EP7 once everything has come out. Battler freaks out and cries over Beatrice once he remembers what he did, to Yasu.

I know that, but how could Battler repent for his sin besides crying about it? He couldn't save Yasu, but he could save Lion (maybe...)

>No, the point is is that "Will is trying to comfort Clair as much as possible" at the same time Clair is mourning/lamenting the fact that the one she wanted to save her was Battler, not this total outsider, Will

It was too late to save her, but...

> It would have been a small comfort to Clair's heart the way Will telling her Battler did finally understand her after she died was. But it goes the opposite way instead.

Will's existence showed that Battler atleast understood the game.

> assumption that a connection to Battler is a part of Will's motive for doing so. But there's nothing alluding to something like that. Will has his own independant reasons, he is doing this because he has issues from his time in the SSVD.

But Will is an imaginary character, the motive of the character doesn't matter in this case, its the motive of the writer that matters.

Why was Will written into the story? Why did Will try to save Lion?

>>6717787
No matter what way you slice it, that looks fake. Was Erika even in episode 7?

>>6717869
Who's Erika?

Here's something I don't understand. Clair said she was going to give Shannon a little brother so that she would have someone to "create a universe with" in place of Battler. But you can't create a universe with just an imaginary friend, right? Otherwise that whole bit about Yasu getting Maria to nurture her universe through Mariage Sorciere doesn't make any sense.

>>6717869
Who?

This might be a strange question, but what does Yasu look like? Is her Shannon sprite reflective of her appearance, and if so, how come she doesn't have blonde hair hair Lion?

>>6717879

Dont think, just go with it- RK07 2010

>>6717879
Neither of them are even real people. Since they're entirely under Yasu's control, Yasu can just say they make a universe together. And if Yasu says they do, they do.

>>6717886

We don't get to see Yasu, we just read her monologue.

>>6717886
Lion probably dyed her hair, for whatever reason.

>>6717060
It's okay. Umineko has to end before it gets any more shit. We'll just need to look forward to When They Cry 5.

I just keep thinking, that "Who am I" at the end of episode 4 just feels so much more depressing after reading 7...

>>6717911
Only not because the "who am I" is just referring to the bomb.

Yasu probably looks like the exact opposite of Beatrice, since in Episode 6 we see her all "take the blond hair that he likes" ect.

So, dark hair, small/flat chest, dark eyes, quiet and clumsy personality.

Don't make the mistake of Shannon being Yasu's true "form" just because that is what we saw in Episode 7. We also saw her looking exactly like Beatrice when she put the dress on.

(replace "she/her" with "him/his" if you prefer)

Ah, it's finally time for my biannual exodus to /jp/.

>>6717920
>So, dark hair, small/flat chest, dark eyes, quiet and clumsy personality.

Sounds like Kanon.

>>6717920

But should Yasu look exactly like Lion?

>>6717824
>I know that, but how could Battler repent for his sin besides crying about it? He couldn't save Yasu, but he could save Lion (maybe...)
I think we saw that in the beginning of Episode 7. He sealed Beato up in the happiest Fragment he could write.

>Will's existence showed that Battler atleast understood the game.
EP6 showed Battler understood the game. I don't think there's any indication Will has anything to do with that. Rather, we hear about how Will had to work through the episodes and the evidence on his own.

>But Will is an imaginary character, the motive of the character doesn't matter in this case, its the motive of the writer that matters.
Yeah, it's just that--if Will+Lion was supposed to be an actual, literal echo of Battler+Beatrice (not just a narrative parallel), then that ending where Will comes in to save Lion would have been the perfect place to give some kind of nod to it. "I can't fail Beatrice again." "Will didn't really know why he felt so strongly about this, but he just had to do this." But Will knew exactly what he was doing and why, and nothing involved Battler or any mysterious unknown factor that could be interpreted as Battler entered into it.

>Why was Will written into the story? Why did Will try to save Lion?
Because he's a narrative foil/parallel to Battler, he serves a thematic purpose, and his playing that role means the fact that Battler screwed up isn't cheapened. He tried to save Lion because he's a good person, he cares about Lion, feels compassion for Beatrice, and he has lingering SSVD issues.

Again, I could maybe buy if Yasu designed Will's character after thinking shota Battler's rantings about THE HEART were cool and inspirational, but Battler doesn't even seem aware most of EP7 happened.

>>6717920

Shannon already is opposite of Beatrice (since she probably pads).

We saw Beatrice there because that's how Yasu imagined herself. We saw Beatrice finding the gold, after all, remember.

Shannon is Yasu's true form, and her name is Yasuda Sayo. It's the simplest conclusion to make and therefore probably right. You need not over-complicate everything.

>>6717935
Yeah, since during the whole meeting Kinzo scene it described her putting on a dress but never said anything about a wig.

>>6717133
7 weights scene? I read 7, but I don't know what this means. Can you clarify?

>>6717154
According to Bern's heartless truth. Don't be so quick to assume that was the whole truth.

>>6717935
We can assume that Yasu, regardless of upbringing or anything like that, will look like Lion if she doesn't fall off the cliff. I think this because Lion has absolutely no reason to change anything about the body she was born with.

>>6717941

The song weights is playing.
Will asks Shannon to summon Kanon, but she BSODs.

>>6717941
The creepy ass scene where Will asks Shannon to get Kanon and Shannon short-circuits. It's called 7-weights due to the song that plays in the backround.

>>6717941

I think they mean the scene where Shannon CAN NO T CALL KANON KU N.

more like 7 paperweights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71xvM_TgMs

That's probably the best song I've ever heard.

>>6717964
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euezX9D3aDE
Get 'em, kitties.

wait, guys. I just got this thought. Why is Shannon even in Lion's world?

>>6717989
Shut up already.

>>6717972
Oh yeah, that's probably second best song I've ever heard, damn you Umineko.

>>6717936
I think it might be impossible for Battler to interfere with that board because it's already established that he didn't save Beatrice. There was a bit of narration that went like this: "At the end of the 5th game, Battler finally understood. However, it took him so long, and he didn’t make it in time. Even though she is alive here and now, Battler cannot save her. So, Battler is not here at Beatrice’s funeral. He won’t come. He didn’t make it in time."

You could create a Battler who did come to Bern's gameboard and lay Clair to rest, but it wouldn't be the same character. That might be what Will is.

One hour left...

Is your body ready, /jp/?

>>6717999
Him not making it in time is similar to how he didn't in the real world. If Battler finally understands at the end of the 5th game, then the 6th game is the one where he understands, just like Battler came back after 6 years of absence, but it was too late.

Since this discussion isn't really going any where anymore, lets just post our favorite tracks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtiGhtyrSs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uy6rfyZwnU

>>6718018
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnACsCe2g-E

>>6718018
Sin has to be my favorite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSAcfUz17EQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmr_vHpZI8

So, Chiru in a nutshell:
5: Battler knows the truth
6: Battler can't apologize to Beato since she's gone. Too late. Tries to bring her back.
7. Will lays Beato to rest.
8 Battler gives Ange the happy ending she deserves

?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbqYuTZFDKk

>>6718033
Also, there's no way there'll be a happy end for Battler and Beato in episode 8. The whole point of the too late thing. So yeah, now that Beatrice is gone, Battler's goal is just to return to Ange.

Quick episode 7 question. Was there ever a real Shannon on the island or was Shannon some chick from the orphanage that Yasu decided to imitate?

>>6717992
come on man, I'm new in this thread

>>6718046
As someone else already said, Shannon is Yasu's servant name. She pictured Shannon as the respectful servant she wanted to become.

>>6718048
Your question is idiotic. Does nobody have reading comprehension? Do people just ctrl through the episodes?

>>6718018
If you mean EP7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ97g2SMY7c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdOL5Ra62hY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmr_vHpZI8&feature=related

>>6718057
There was that weird bit where Berune got pranked, and then said she talked to both Shannon and Yasu about it (along with Kumasawa). Not sure what to make of that.

one hour until I can obnoxiously demand torrents
~my body is ready~

Autosaging, so new thread:

>>6718093

>>6718071
And here it is

>>6717461
I was actually thinking on that a little while ago. Natsuhi only hears this person's voice over the phone but never indicates the idea that the person on the other end is using some sort of voice modulator to disguise their voice. She just says that it sounds like a young man. It would be a bit odd that she doesn't notice the similarity in voice to Shannon/Kanon, but she was also pretty terrified by the whole thing, so it's not that surprising.

>>6717536
I guess that's why you were compelled to join in, fag?

>>6717911
"Who am I" wasn't about Yasu, it was about the bomb. The riddle was 'who' killed Battler when there was no one else on the island, nothing outside the island could interfere, and it wasn't suicide. Lrn2readingcomprehension

>>6717935
My theory: we know Genji deducted Yasu's age by 3 to try and preserve the secret from Kinzo better. Wouldn't be farfetched if he also dyed her hair. Realistically Japanese just aren't blonde (yes, I know they also aren't redheads/orangeheads/whiteheads/etc, also Jessica, whatever; in EP1 it's pointed out that the woman in the portrait looks distinctively 'western' because she's blonde), so at least that would make it less obvious when she grew to be the spitting image of Beatrice.

That doesn't contradict with her meeting Kinzo either. Even with dark hair, when she's in that dress and has the same face as her mother, Kinzo would know just looking at her that she was his daughter. But it's all those pieces coming together that made the resemblance obvious; in the servant getup, without her hair styled like the portrait, and all that jazz, her similar face wouldn't be drawn to attention.

>>6718657
To think of it, could the maids just be the stakes acting as stand-ins for the actual servants?

>>6717989
Did you even fucking READ EP7?