/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>6663211
Yeah, the fact that you wanted to steal our gold and caused a massacre is kind of a problem.

>>6663211

It doesn't make a lot of sense, both Japaneses and Italians died.

In fact, the only person Kinzo killed himself was a Japanese. Way to go, Kinzo.

>>6663222
Maybe Kinzo is the one who threw that first dead grenade, and the rest took care of itself?

>>6663229
That makes sense.

>>6663211
FUCK YOU FOR STARTING THE THREAD THIS WAY

>>6663219
>To gain two, sacrifice one.
>Your life
>Your beloved's life
>Everyone else's lives

PFFFFT EASIEST CHOICE EVER GUYS

>>6663211
so he steal the Italian's gold and kidnapped Beatrice ala Josef Fritzl.....what a guy.

>>6663240
Eh, I think he really did love Bice. His own reactions and the reactions of the people who knew both of them don't make sense otherwise.

He also just happens to trigger massacres for gold on the side too

>>6663222
It just means that the japanese attack was provoked by Kinzo giving ideas to the commander, and wasn't only greed.
It's not like Kinzo was patriotic or anything, so he planned the result of both factions wiping out one another. Luck, roulette of fate, etc.
Makes a lot of sense actually.

>>6663240
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

I am italian.

Fuck you, Kinzo. F...fuck y...y..

;_;

why am I reminded of Kaiji

>>6663267
Why are you reminded of kaiji and not akagi?

And just when Kinzo was shown with a good side.

>>6663283

I DID IT FOR BEATORICE YOU DUMBFUCK

i agree with Bern.

>>6663261

Me too, but i love Kinzo

I caught up with the previous thread finally

Didn't /jp/ hate Jessica? I thought she was a boring teenager with a shitty romance with Kanon, what the fuck happened?

>>6663290
Or did you? That whole Beatrice wanting you to kidnap her thing was so farfetched. She actually didn't love you and you just raped her, didn't you?

>>6663304
Jessicafags just get vocal. She's still boring as fuck.

>>6663305
How does that work? Will used the spectator's authority on Kinzo, Kinzo should have told him everything.

>>6663305
Switch the tale's Officer Yamamoto with Kinzo, change the final battle outcome.

>>6663305
That would have been a much more devastating red scene to show if it was true. Bern didn't, so that means it's not... right?

>>6663305

AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A MAN? ONLY A CHILD WOULD MAKE UP SUCH LIES!

I LOVE HER. AND SHE STILL LOVES ME.

>>6663315
Spectator's authority doesn't mean shit when the lies Will sees about Kinzo are what Kinzo actually believes. Over the years, Kinzo convinced himself that Beatrice was madly in love with him and the "kidnapping" thing was just a joke between the two.

>>6663305
Isn't it true Bice never said any of that? Didn't you just kidnap her and rape her alongside your fellow Japanese soldiers? You weren't even the only one to put your penis in her. You realize that Kuwadorian Beatrice wasn't even your daughter, right?

ahaha.wav

>>6663315
I think Kinzo probably convinced himself afterwards that it happened like he told it, so he wasn't lying.

>>6663315


It has been theorized that theotergoing authority only gives us a viewpoint of who is speaking. So yeah, that was what happened, at leas in kinzo's eyes.

>>6663326
Then explain Nanjo's perspective. He said they didn't seem like bad people so he helped them.

I'm sure those red flashbacks are red herrings, don't worry about them too much.

I've been out of the loop for a while, did they release a new chapter?

>>6663337
Yeah, go read it so you can bawww with the rest of us.

I think Nazitrice and Kinzo really loved each other

But the story it's probably exaggerated in some way or another

>>6663333
Haha oh wow. Or so Nanjo says. The reality is Kinzo put some fucking gold on the table with a woman held a knifepoint, told Nanjo to fix her. He gladly took the gold and did so. Years later, Kinzo gave even more gold to Nanjo and Nanjo decided to be his friend. Years later, Nanjo would receive even more money from another person he helps with a crime.

>>6663337

Hi. Pleased to meet you. I'm Yasu. What's your name?

>>6663340
fffffffff
brb, calling off work

Who else did shat bricks to this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71xvM_TgMs&feature=related

>>6663360
I did. Months ago.

>>6663360

Well, I still had some room in myself to say "maybe kanon is not shannon. Maybe". Then Ryu comes at me with that. I cackled.

>>6663360
more like 7 paperweights am I right

one question. in 7th game, will meets shannon and lion together right?
Since shannon = yasu = lion, how does 2 of them together in the same room work?

>>6663372
why do people keep asking this question

pay attention to what will says about the fragment they're in

>>6663372

The church world is a mixed kakera, Shannon doesn't even know Lion.

>>6663372

Metaworld bullshit. Don't think too much about it, you'll get an headache.

Anyone delusional enough to still think Kanon isn't a product of Yasu? Or even further, that Shannon isn't?

>>6663381
I'd let Will give me a headache, if you know what I mean.

>>6663393
Only you, seriously get a brain.

>>6663408
I... what?

>>6663408
>>6663393
How could Jessica fall in love with Kanon and still not know that he and Shannon is the same person?

I'm not delusional enough to neither accept it or deny it.

The one thing this game did above all others was make me finally truly hate Bern.

Is there a torrent of PS3 version? I could try backporting voices if I had the game...

>>6663452

Does Beato in ep II mention that Kanon face look different from Shannon?

>>6663452
It was a dumb crush. She didn't actually know him that well or talk to him that much.

Also, the tea party of ep7 was the most enjoyable part of Umineko for me, since ep2 or maybe 3 for me. And I'm still only halfway in it. Finally, mind games, hate and brutality, no pretend love (why were you waiting for him these three years you dumbass? If you love him just go and find him, coward, lowlife) or fairy tale creatures and wannabe withes, or Ange's angst. Kyrie not checking whether the body is actually dead was very unrealistic though.

>>6663360
One of my favorite scenes, too. It was one of the parts of the game that had a good amount of suspense, and seemed like it was out of Will's control.

Something it's bothering me about ep V

Erika and Battler solved the Epitaph, why did the bomb go off? Same for ep VI?

Also, who did all that shit to Natsuhi? Yasu? It seems weird, he isn't pursuing revenge.

>>6663491
>why were you waiting for him these three years you dumbass?
You realize she was like ten years old right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euezX9D3aDE
How good the_executioner is compared to older zts stuffs?

>>6663513
Not 13?

>>6663517
Mentally and physically she was the equivalent of ten.

>>6663516
For me, probably only second to Worldend Dominator, but I think executioner was used more powerfully. Worldend Dominator got whored out a little too much.

Gonna big sic as fuck when the least probable suspects ends up being the culprit. Its caused was all the regressed bullying that was being coped with magic to make it look better than it was.

The trigger is the single dying rose among all the healthy ones, which she sees as herself and cannot come to give it her name. Her name means love and without it nothing can be seen. She's given her royal blue eyes to all of her most trusted servants, although hers are darker and they'res are lighter, they are all but one color.

She is the black monarch that sits in front of the white king, had that king never made his first move, his sin, the black king would never had made its move.

What a horrible sin he made, the eldest, of pride.No matter who pulls the strings, the result is the same. Even if he controls all of the board, none of his troops would die.

>>6663494
>Erika and Battler solved the Epitaph, why did the bomb go off? Same for ep VI?
Correct me if I'm wrong but both games 5 and 6 ended before the time limit. The fate of the survivors is left unknown.

This thread needs more Golden Nocturne. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnTwpWn-7IM

>>6663518
Whatever her age was, Battler at that age had the resolve to move away from his parents. She was also supposed to be prepared to leave the mansion on this year. She knew bad things happened to Battler and he couldn't attend the conference because of them. She also had extensive support of Genji, who, among other things, even played along with her cross-dressing. And still, still, that chunk of meat chose to stay, wallowing in its delusions. This is farce.

>>6663539

"If you know the truth, you should also know what will happen after the end of the game" - R07

>>6663539
The bomb has to explode, that's one of the rule.
And episode 5 had dead in red that can only be solved by the bomb exploding

>>6663562
Immaturity.

You need to be epic shonen protagonist to just ditch all those mansion job, steal a boat, find the grandparents address just to cheer him up.

>>6663562
>She also had extensive support of Genji,

You mean that guy who dragged her onto the island when she was the equivalent of six so she could be waved around in front of Kinzo to make him feel better? Yeah, I'm sure he would have been very supportive of her leaving the island for good.

>>6663567
Oh, oh, we've suddenly gotten all realistic now. What about the magical power of love? Surely it should have propelled yasu to do at least something. Why was I fed all this love love love bullshit all these last episodes only to confirm later that it doesn't work the way it's explained later?

And don't expect me to show any affection to this rotten person who later plans mass murders. You can't expect Battler to, neither. He might have forgiven, in ep3, a fictional witch in fictional meta world who just moved pieces from other world, forgiving an actual person for this is not possible, especially for that white knight Battler who respects 'the heart'.

>>6663577
Kinzo never even knew.

>>6663594
Doesn't change that that was Genji's purpose in bringing Yasu to the island. Keep her around and hope Kinzo notices her.

Without love, it cannot be seen.

>>6663602
Genji never approved what his master did. If yasu wanted to leave, he'd help her. Even without him, she had all the money she stockpiled all this time.

>>6663588
Teenage crush, which most people/kids never acted on in their life because they still have no idea what to do with this new mysterious sickening feeling.

Yasu do did something. She believes in Battler and wait in Rokkenjima, hoping for him to come next year, that he remembers, and not speaking to anyone about this shameful love.

>>6663588
>Oh, oh, we've suddenly gotten all realistic now. What about the magical power of love? Surely it should have propelled yasu to do at least something. Why was I fed all this love love love bullshit all these last episodes only to confirm later that it doesn't work the way it's explained later?

She did do something, idiot. She tried to move on. The first year she was disappointed but tried to be understanding of Battler's situation. The second she was upset but decided to hold out one more time. The third, she gave up and tried to move on. Not in the healthiest way, but it's not like she knew better. It shows that you don't pay any attention to the sequences that talk about "the magical power of love", since you don't seem to understand how Umineko approaches it.

>And don't expect me to show any affection to this rotten person who later plans mass murders. You can't expect Battler to, neither. He might have forgiven, in ep3, a fictional witch in fictional meta world who just moved pieces from other world, forgiving an actual person for this is not possible, especially for that white knight Battler who respects 'the heart'.

I have no idea what you're even saying here. Battler's already forgiven her and wants to protect her. Will did the same thing.

>>6663612
In my world, sitting and waiting and not saying anything is called 'not doing anything'.

And let's confirm, is this actually light teenage crush or is it love that can force a person to kill 17 innocents out of angst?

>>6663608
If Genji really had Yasu's best interest in mind, he wouldn't have brought her into servitude as a child on the island in the first place, planning for Kinzo to notice her and then crossing his fingers that he wouldn't rape again. Genji did it primarily for Kinzo. Not Yasu.

>>6663625
In your world, a child is apparently scum for not ninja-ing out of their home by themselves to find a crush as opposed to holding up her end of their promise, so not much to say there.

>>6663625
In your world, Battler going buttmad for 6 years and throwing away family name is doing something (which is good?).

>>6663640
She is dumb-ass for sitting and waiting while her happiness flies away.

She is scum for becoming a murderer after realizing her happiness actually went away.

>>6663646
Stupid like most teenagers who don't act on their childish crush.

Mad like her father and grandfather combined, for playing with time bomb and destiny roulette, hoping to reach miracle instead of making a decision of her own.

>>6663658

SHE HAS THREE PERSONALITIES, SHE DOESN'T MAKE DECISION, HOLY FUCK

>>6663658
You disgust me. The way you try to defend yasu and ryu7 disgusts me. I'm not talking to you anymore.

>>6663658
By the second year, the issue had changed from "Battler coming to get me" to "did Battler completely forget about me?" (Thanks in part to George's trolling.) That's something that can only be resolved on Battler's end. She got her "answer" in the third year and reacted.

In her mind, Yasu was doing something by choosing to keep believing in Battler. I would agree it's not the healthiest, but my ideas about the importance of "believing in someone" as opposed to interrogating the situation aren't the same as Yasu's.

Why are people so sure about George hidding the letter? I mean, I hate George, but maybe he didn't knew anything.

>>6663625
>>>/adv/ I'll be waiting

Has anyone gotten a clue about why the epitaph was something only (supposedly) Yasu could have solved? I was a plot point after all

Yasu, although raised as an orhpan, later inherits all the money and gold of the Ushiromiya family and everything they have, and has at the same time a personal little harem.

What does the other servant girls have?

>>6663689
I could go either way on that. It doesn't really change anything either way for Battler and Yasu, because Battler really did forget. And George at the least was certainly still deliberately trying to torment Yasu about Battler whether he actually hid a letter or not.

>>6663691
Well, Genji told him about Taiwan.

>>6663691
>Has anyone gotten a clue about why the epitaph was something only (supposedly) Yasu could have solved?
Because Yasu is brought up to be able to solve the puzzle. Kumasawa nurtured her curiosity and love to mystery novels, and Genji made her familiar with the entire mansion.

>>6663691
It wasn't "only Yasu could have solved it", but "Kinzo did it for Yasu to solve". Genji took Yasu and told her/him the hometown was Taiwan. If he/she proved a retard, I'm sure he would have dropped more hints. Kinzo wanted him/her to solve it so he would be forvigen.

>>6663701
This too.

>>6663689
George would have to pull some pretty good sleight of hand too. Everyone was watching, and what if Kyrie knew who he wrote letters to? Some people just seem to be obsessed with George being the culprit.

It's much more likely that Battler just thought these were letters to the family. He wouldn't write for anyone else.

>Yasu, although raised as an orhpan, later inherits all the money and gold of the Ushiromiya family and everything they have,
None of which she wanted. In exchange she got to find out she was a mutilated product of incest whose life was used as a prop to comfort her rapist father. Awesome!

>and has at the same time a personal little harem.
George is a self-centered passive-aggressive asshole and Battler forgot about her. She's not interested in Jessica. If anything, Jessica's interest just made things harder on her.

>What does the other servant girls have?
Normal, stable lives?

Yeah, what a stupid 10 year old. Didn't act on your little crush? Pussy. Umineko is such a crock of shit. All problems in Umineko could be solved if Maria and Yasu just grew the fuck up and got over their little imaginary worlds.

You know i don't get it.The interaction between Shannon and Beatrice. I mean...fuck i don't get it. Transferring the bud of love to a fictional character?!Reaaaaally, Shannon?!I DON'T GET IT.I always feels like there is another person that plays Beatrice...not Shannon itself.

>>6663726
>Normal, stable lives?
Get out normalfag devs.

>>6663729
Schizophrenia, DID, etc.

>What does the other servant girls have?
A future of normal life.

>>6663719
More like "Some people just seem to be obsessed with George being a total dick", but yeah.

He's really not that bad for a fattie

>>6663729
Shannon doesn't play Beatrice. Not the Shannon you know. Shannon and Beatrice are both just constructs of one girl who fills her world with imaginary things. It's like an author retconning his novel.

>>6663727
> All problems in Umineko could be solved if Maria and Yasu just grew the fuck up and got over their little imaginary worlds.

I understand that you are not on my side but these are my thoughts exactly. I expected a tale where mystery defeats fantasy in the most spectacular way, and I got children's delusions instead.

>>6663741
This is because you're likely 17 years old or something.

Yasu could have a normal life if she wanted.
She has money, she could have an operation if she wanted. And even then, there are a lot of people with far worse handicaps who manage to live happily.

And about her birth, what happened in the past is just that, the past.

Stop whiteknighting her like this, she had plenty of choices, she just decided to be a coward till the end.

George didn't seem to be so bad after the "WHY RUDOLF OJII-SAN YOU WERE MY ROLE MODEL WHY DO YOU THIS RUDOLF OJII-SAAN" scene.

>>6663658
>her father and grandfather combined

What?

>>6663741
> All problems in Umineko could be solved if Maria and Yasu just grew the fuck up and got over their little imaginary worlds.
All problems in Umineko could be solved if the parents aren't greedy bastard and can just split the gold evenly without having to shot each other.

>>6663741
Sounds like somebody cannot see it

>>6663743
I am 17 because, what, because I don't want to read about a sick person who goes on a rampage? I am 23.

>>6663756
I think your sarcasm detector is failing a bit there.

so Shannon has a fake age correct? 3 years younger than her actual age. So when they were flirting and talking about mystery novels and crap, Battler was 13, and she was 16?

Umineko rules

Rule X: If the epitaph isn't solved, everyone will die.
Rule Y: If the gold is discovered, a tragedy will occur.
Rule Z: Whatever happens, the witch will be blamed.

>>6663741
I'm not sure if you've realized it, but you're pretty much exactly what Umineko set out to criticize/deconstruct. It's just not for you, bro.

>>6663762
Yeah. I kept forgetting it because them stupid sprites

>>6663762
No, Yasu was 13 and Battler was 10.

>>6663762
Battler was 12, she was 13 but thought she was 10.

>>6663758
I doubt it. If so, you've still got a pretty childish mindset.

>>6663768
but I thought this was 6 years before, and Battler is 19 at the game's present time.

>>6663772
Then disregard that, I suck cocks. But Shannon is 16 in 1986 according to most, when really she's 19. So she was 13. But you're best of treating her as 10 because it seems she was a passable 10 year old in all aspects.

I wonder what'd happen if 1986 Battler turn out to be gay.

>>6663770
and who are you to judge

rude sage

>>6663778
When Battler figured out the truth he should have realized Beatrice's gender problem too. He just loves her anyway.

>>6663775
ah ok, I forgot that we was 16 at present time. Thought she was 19.

Umineko: LARPers, LARPers everywhere

>>6663778
Battlerxgeorge
Shannon loses both loves.
Tragedy occurs

>>6663746
>Whiteknighting
NOPE.AVI

Have you ever of the word "context"? As in, a character's situation? This is a girl who has lived her entire life in an island in the middle of nowhere, with no source of interest outside of novels and magic. It was the EIGHTIES. Stop treating her as some suburban middle class white girl. Stop comparing her situation with your own life. She doen't have every option around the corner.

>>6663778
I think that Battler x Amakusa is pretty popular, though they don't even know each other.

Fucking fujoshi.

Rudolf inherit his father's trait, with a twist.

>>6663791
To some people, pointing out the details of Yasu's actual situation when they run around calling her a dumb slut qualifies as whiteknighting, I guess. I don't think Yasu made all the best choices or the most "good" choices. But I find her sympathetic and I can definitely understand why she came to think the way she did.

Shannon/Yasu's gender is still ambiguous correct?

>>6663791
But she does have options, more than you think, and she fucking decided to bet the lives of 15 people to let fate decide for her.

How the fuck can you defend this? Even someone with far less options and a shittier life wouldn't choose something like this

Also the eighties aren't the middle-age.

>>6663803
Yes.

>>6663804
>Even someone with far less options and a shittier life wouldn't choose something like this

Like you, right? Totally.

>>6663795
Can we consider Will to be canon bisexual.

Does anyone else think the fact that one of the guns fires low might be a vital clue?

I don't know, the way it was emphasized is tickling my brain.

>>6663812
Ad hominem. You lost. Bye.

>>6663804
>But she does have options, more than you think, and she fucking decided to bet the lives of 15 people to let fate decide for her.
Like what her father/grandfather combined has done, multiple times. Switching the bomb on to force himself to find a solution to an impossible problem, and if he fails his family go to the pit of hell, literally.

>>6663494
Of what, excuse me? I am proud to be it and that one of my favourite novels mentions Italy and italian writers so many times, and also that one of my favourite character is italian. <3

>>6663494
Remember that also Rosa knew of the child, 19 years ago she was on the island. As all the crimes in EP5, is it a farce organised by the siblings to make Natsuhi reveal Kinzo's death. Hideyoshi's murder itself it's impossible to explain since he's in a REAL closed room. The door it's closed with the chain from the inside and except for Natsuhi that is not the culprit nobody is in there. The only explanation is he that HE is not dead (does Natsuhi see the corpse?) as well as the first twilight's victims (what does it mean "to exchange something that is not a corpse for a corpse?" Nobody would mistake their life status, if not VOLUNTARILY. And... Gaap hiding the corpses? Come on. Furthermore, does Natsuhi see the corpses, again?) Also, since there is not an alive detective, thus
As the hands painted on Natsuhi's door in EP1 and EP2 is all a plan of the siblings.
Anyway, something goes wrong in EP5, since Krauss got killed. =/

So, looking at Lion does Shannon Yasu wear fake tits? I was hoping not, as it would give a reason for Kanon to have worn that ridiculous fucking trenchcoat. But I guess that's just 07's fashion sense.

>>6663821
I don't think "she can do it because kinzo did it" is a very good argument.

I can imagine some faggot talking to himself out loud.self roleplaying is hilarious if you imagine it irl.God forbid some anons imitating Umineko and making their own universe.

>>6663825
Probably yes.

>>6663817
The way I see it, Kyrie intentionally uses broken gun. She doesn't switch despite it failing to shoot Jessica at point-blank range, and uses knife until she meet Eva. She still keeps that gun.

It's like she's intent to miss killing Eva, or die at Eva's hand.

>>6663827
>I don't think "she can do it because kinzo did it" is a very good argument.
Not "she can do it", more like "she do it".

>>6663825
Yes. Shannon's breasts are gigantic, it's not that easy to hide them.

>>6663832
I was actually talking about the gun Rudolph was using.
He really emphasized that it fires low.

>>6663827
She saw it worked for him and that he ultimately got his miracle through that method. She's not totally mentally stable by this point, so she imitated him. Again, not exactly the best choice or the right choice, but I can understand.

Yasushkanontrice is a fucking pussy. He could probably stop all the killings and murders if he still has his balls but nooo he had to cry like a bitch even with 1bil yen because Battler didnt come back. He could easily leave the island and find Battler with that kind of money and power and even pay for a sex change op to be with his nephew.
Not only that, he created multiple personality to love his own niece and nephew to mend his broken heart.
In short, he is the manslut of the highest order, even beating mankoto.

>>6663834
What a weird, big puffy hat!

Also, maybe you can flip it to change color. It's red on the outside, white inside, etc.

>>6663795
>But she does have options, more than you think,
lol Dine's #1.

>Also the eighties aren't the middle-age.
It's backwards enough for putting that operation out of the picture.

I don't like her that much really, but her story was way better than expected. She TRIED to get over him. That put her miles above fucking Kyrie.

And I never saw her actually killing someone. Call me naive, but if I learned something from Umineko, is that pics or didn't happen. She was covering all that shit as Beatrice, so it's now something new to her to troll and bluff.

>>6663841
It's seagulls.

Why didn't Yasu simply call, or visit Battler after s/he became the head?

As a servant s/he felt she couldn't.
But s/he would have no such reason as the head, would she?

>>6663825
Genji. "Sure, let's put a blonde japanese guy of the same age of his dead grandson as a servant of the Ushiromiya family, even though it has never happened that a child of that age had been promoted to servant, Kinzo will never have suspects!"
Since Genji hoped Kinzo understood by himself for "a miracle" and not through giving him hints, he (1) lowered Yasu's age of three, (2) changed his hair color (a blonde japanese? lol) and (3) probably changed his gender (that's why Natsuhi refers to him as a male, while he lives his life as a girl and is convinced to be so.)

Not whiteknighting Yasu or anything. Just dropping by to say that he isn't a sane person.

>>6663825
Yasu wears fake tits because Battler ideal woman is a big tits blondie.

>>6663852
Because she was trying to move on.

>>6663852
She gave up on Battler at third year, a year before she becomes the head. At this point, she's already a corpse.

Correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but when Natsuhi got the phone calls from "the child from 19 years ago", she said that the voice was undoubtedly male right?

>>6663859
She assumed it was a guy (in Japanese, the caller was using a male pronoun when speaking), but she also said she couldn't be totally sure if it was a man or a woman. So it's probably safe to say the voice was more androgynous than anything.

Yasu's motive for killing was the game.

Yasu wanted Battler to solve the epitaph to win the game. What better way to force someone to solve it by saying "solve it or die" Without killing anybody, the threat wouldn't be taken seriously. The moment Yasu solved the epitaph, all lives of the Ushiromiya belonged to her anyway.

Yasu was really only following what Kinzo would do: make a life or death game. Her life was at stake too. If the epitaph wasn't solved, she would kill herself with the explosion. Battler solving the epitaph is considered a miracle and the higher the stakes, the more likely the miracle will occur.

>read that "spoiler" comic
>expect battler really to have sent yasu a mail along with everyone else so it's not his fault
>he really did forget and everything

Fucking Battler. I feel bad for Yasu, not matter how crazy s/he is.

>>6663737

>He's really not that bad

Dohoho, George was raised for all kinds of nasty and heartless shit. There's also the fight he has with Gaap where he says something along the lines of that he'll kill his fucking family if it means he gets to be with Shannon.

Honestly I wouldn't put the letter switch thing past him. It'd be tricky as fuck, yeah but his mentality when he wasn't dating Shannon was full of butthurt. He probably can't get over Battlers glorious self because he actively helped fuck over their relationship.

>>6663868
Reread the beach scene in Episode 3 where Shannon directly reminds Battler and try not to cringe at his reaction. Fucking Battler.

If Genji really wanted to protect Yasu, he shouldn't send Yasu to Kinzo wearing Beatrice's dress. If i am Genji, i won't be confident enough to trust Kinzo.

I wonder if Shannon/Yasu even really looks like what the reader is shown. Maybe she looks nothing like her sprite.

>>6663878

>>6663835
Rudolph's gun stuck out in my mind too but I can't seem to think anything behind it. Theories welcome.

I saw someone point this out in another thread--may have been the last one. The parallels with EP4 are very interesting. Called out in pairs, for a test, Jessica's face is the thing that gets mutilated, Battler is the last one left alive, "who am I," etc.

Earlier, someone said EP5 has a bomb-only red death, can someone clarify for me?

Also, I want to check if I got this right. Will vs Claire was basically him denouncing all the stories as fanfiction? However, for things he used earth to earth with, I assume there was actually a crime left over, but just not done in by magic, of course.

>>6663892
I like pic related, personally.

>>6663894
Holy fuck ;_;

>>6663886
>If Genji really wanted to protect Yasu, he shouldn't send Yasu to Kinzo wearing Beatrice's dress. If i am Genji, i won't be confident enough to trust Kinzo.
Genji doesn't protect Yasu, he protects Kinzo. After producing the miracle, Genji thinks it's the right time to reveal the truth to both party, and that's for the sake of Kinzo more than Yasu.

If he wants to protect Yasu, he won't bring her to Fukuin House. She'll live an entirely new life, not related to the Ushiromiya family.

>>6663898
Will was mostly solving the crimes with Shkanontrice. For Episode 4 he started tipping into "this shit is all fiction", but my interpretation is that it might be because Episode 4 gets uncomfortably close to the non-culprit-Yasu truth that she was trying to cover up, and Will was respectful of that. (Also why he took a vague approach to solving everything in general, along with trying to put her down as mercifully as possible.)

>>6663898
Here's a half-assed theory about the gun off the top of my head.
Siblings solve epitaph and find gold. They are discussing and arguing and it's getting nowhere. One of the siblings wants everyone to settle down so they can discuss things more orderly and fires the gun into the air at an angle to get everyone's attention.

It fires low

Someone gets shot by accident and the killings begin over a misunderstanding.

like I said, half-assed and probably won't fit with anything after I think it through for 2 minutes.

>>6663905
He wanted to protect both of them. it is said in the beginnning of the episode, as a friend, he doesn't want Kinzo to do the same mistake as with Beatrice II. It clearly means that e also want to protect Yasu, at least a little.

>>6663910
Oh, I see. Thank you, sometimes I lack the ability to read as in between the lines as necessary to understand the more vague things. But that does tie in with the EP4 parallels, it was very very close to the 7 Tea Party.

>>6663915
That makes sense considering the "It was an accident!" and Eva being genuinely confused by it without explaining. She probably wouldn't understand herself that the gun fires low as she isn't experienced with guns and tries to shoot in the air to scare Natsuhi, only to shoot her in the eye.

Of course, I forget whose gun it was and it may not have been Eva's. But I see your point.

>>6663905

He wanted to protect both of them. it is said in the beginnning of the episode that, as a friend, he doesn't want Kinzo to do the same mistake as with Beatrice II. It clearly means that he also wants to protect Yasu, at least a little.

>>6663905
KUMASAWA, NANJO, I HAD THIS GREAT IDEA. WE'LL BRING THE SICKLY SIX YEAR OLD-EQUIVALENT TO WORK ON THE ISLAND AS A SERVANT AND JUST HEDGE OUR BETS THAT KINZO FEELS BAD AND DOESN'T RAPE THEM!

SOUNDS AWESOME GENJI LET'S DO IT.

>>6663834
No, he doesn't even love Battler now. Beatrice does. Shannon =/= Beatrice
He has no motive of wearing, except for being told to do so. If he was a female, there was no motive to make her wears them, even if she has a small breast. On the contrary if she was male he has to do it to hide his real identity...! Probably Genji didn't think it would take such a long time to Kinzo to notice it.

>>6663892
Yes, he does, remember he is Lion.

>>6663898
Yes, Lambda can say "X is dead" just because it's midnight and everyone died because of the bomb. Or else, as we are told, nobody was dead when the "corpses" were discovered by Battler and the same goes for Hideyoshi.
And... no, Will vs Claire is Will explaining all the murders.
For example, "Illusions to illusions, the witch and the stake of illusions can pierce nothing buy illusions" means "Kanon was never pierced by any stake and he was not dead, he was just pretending to be so". And this goes for all the others, if there is one of them not clear just ask, I can tell my opinion.

(Obviously this is MY opinion, not the truth =/ You can be on accord or not.)

Reminds me of the old theories like Kinzo raping Jessica. Oh the horror.

>>6663933
Oh, right. I had forgotten that bit. I didn't catch that, thanks.

I think I seem to understand Will vs. Claire now too. Thanks.

>>6663935

Geh? Who the hells the black haired girl? Don't remember her. She probably belongs to Amakusa though right?

>>6663924
Obligatory

>>6663942
My pleasure. Even though, many of them are really twisted...

>>6663950
Black haired is Siesta 556. She was killed by a "black witch".
There was a theory that 556 was Kyrie's gun because hers didn't work when she killed Jessica.

>>6663958
Isn't she one of Maria's rabbit toy that got smashed by Rosa? In which episode's TIPS you can view her again?

>>6663973
EP4.

>>6663973
They both represent the Winchesters and the rabbits.
They were first drawn by Beatrice for Maria for being the rabbits, then she uses them to represents the death performed by the guns and not the stakes.
In fact 556 is killed by the Black Witch, i. e. Rosa breaking one of Maria's friends.

>>6663957
Can you tell me your take/clarify these for me?:

"...... That was a risky game from the start. ...... What if the guy really wanted to see that dead face and just stepped inside?" (I don't remember EP1 that well in terms of this detail.)

Why did Will first use Earth to Earth in this one:
"Second game,fourth, fifth, and sixth twilights. In Natsuhi's closed room, none are left alive."
"Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. No one would dispute that a closed room is a coffin." (An actual death providing corpse?)

>>6663858
>She gave up on Battler at third year
If that was really true she shouldn't have gone batshit when he came back.

>>6664000
Also, for:

"Third game, seventh and eighth twilights. The corpses of husband and wife lay exposed under the arbor."
"Earth to earth, the obvious culprit wields a mutable blade."

I really don't get this one.1

Wow Bern is so kind. I almost finished EP7.

>>6664003
Shannon gave up on Battler on third year. Beatrice don't because the love is passed over to her.

To put it simply.
Does people die because Yasuda couldn't chose from the ever increasing harem?

>>6664003
It's because Yasutrice took on the love for Battler, not Shannon. Shannon would have quit her job as a servant. However, there were other personalities with other obligations. She decided to let the roulette choose what happens. The result is what we got.

>>6664011
lol

>>6664012
>Beatrice don't because the love is passed over to her.
Then why didn't she call or visit Battler?

>>6664011
>Bern
>kind
Finish Tea Party, then we can talk.

>>6664009
Wasn't it George and Shannon?In this case, Yasu and George. So George is the culprit huh.

>>6664011
I bet she will let Lion find his own miracle and happiness!

>>6664018
You're missing the point here. Shannon is the outward personality. Shannon cannot quit her job and physically leave because she is not Yasu. Shannon has developed a new love for herself. Kanon too, arguably. Result is the roulette that Claire fucking talks about forever. Did you miss that?

>>6664018
Because the queen of night, the witch of Rokkenjima can't depart from Rokkenjima. Also it's like Battler already forgot about her/her voice.

>>6664009
>the obvious culprit wields a mutable blade.
What does "mutable blade" mean?

>>6664009
mutable means it can be changed. An item that can be "changed" that can be used to kill. How did their corpses appear for this twilight again?

>>6664033
A bomb?

>>6664014
>She decided to let the roulette choose what happens. The result is what we got.
Just who decided to put deaths on the roulette?
That is just dumb.

None of the personalities would gain anything from the deaths.
Or are you telling me that s/he simply was depressed enough to kill everyone for no good reason at all? Even though her life was practically better than any of the other servants?

You people go roulette roulette roulette.
But that doesn't make much of a difference, because it's still her/his roulette.

Yasu don't even come close to the broken shell of a man that is two-face, but even he made more sense than this.

>>6664034
They were in the parlor. The weapon is assumed to be a gun or a sharp-shaped object.
Too lazy to make a screenshot.

>>6664033
Considering you pose it like that, I would think the entire sentence chances to "The obvious culprit changes"

>>6663296
>>6663261
Anche io sono italiano, ma Kinzo è una merda.
Sia per la questione Giappone/Italia che per quello che ha fatto a sua figlia.

Mutable

prone to change : inconstant

capable of change or of being changed

capable of or liable to mutation

>>6664038
I think you need to reread EP7 and listen to what Yasu says.

She's done with her making choices on her own. What happens happens. If Shanon's love comes to fruition, so be it (EP6). If Battler comes back, so be it. If everyone finds the gold and goes nuts, so be it.

ROULETTE

>her life was practically better than any of the other servants?
Oh yeah, finding out you're byproduct of incest, with a broken body that can't love, with delusion, DID, and trapped in double love triangle.

>Or are you telling me that s/he simply was depressed enough to kill everyone for no good reason at all?
She do what Kinzo does; gambling with destiny, wishing for a miracle.

Also there's that DUEL DUEL DUEL. Roulette isn't the only one.

>>6664009
Yasu took over Shannon and killed George. It's the closed room with 07151129.

>>6664040
maybe the stakes?
Wasn't it said that the stakes were of different length? Maybe there was a function to retract or extend the pointed tip

>>6664046
And that's not dumb?
And the roulette is obviously geared in her favor.
She is pressing the adults to solve the epitaph in one evening even though they didn't manage to do so before.
Otherwise she will go gun happy on everyone.
Of course the adults managed to solve it but it was pretty much a miracle.

How the fuck is it not fucking selfish and stupid?

>my facial hair when people think yasu actually killed anyone instead of just writing fanfiction about how she killed people

>>6664055
welcome to the world where only you give a shit

how's it feel?

>>6664057
She planned on killing them, intent to kill is almost as bad as killing you.

>>6664046
>She's done with her making choices on her own.
But this is basically it.
Yasu is simply a bad a character.
I mentioned two-face because ironically he is a better a character.

Now, I doubt there are any /jp/ anons well read in Batman lore, so excuse me for bringing this up.
But I still bet that most you know of Two-face's gambling with fate tendency, and how he flipped the coin all the time and otherwise left things up to chance.

The fun part is how he also suffers from multiple personalites conflicting with eachother, and he can't hold all those personalities either.
And now, he isn't the best character either, but even his actions made a lot more sense, despite his many conflicting personalities and gambling with fate tendencies all mixed up in chaos.

Why is Yasu done with making choices of her own? And why is she prepared to go around killing people if the roulette calls for it? And why does she even care about the freaking roulette?

The part of the damaged body thing becomes a factor sure, but other than that I bet you could inf other servants who would happilty switch places with her, and take the place of the head and all the people in love with her. Heck, the reason she was bullied was because she possessed things to be envied off, that means it's tough but not too bad.
It's hardly the heartwreckening story to result in crazy ass roulettes of fate involving many lives and the off chance of death.

You might as well stamp the character as crazy, because that's seems to be pretty much it. It's not a good character if this is it.

>>6664009
I understand earth to earth as meaning there's nothing wrong with the crime scene. They really were strangled in the arbor with some kind of wire and there's nothing impossible about that

>>6664000
"...... That was a risky game from the start. ...... What if the guy really wanted to see that dead face and just stepped inside?" (I don't remember EP1 that well in terms of this detail.)
Only Hideyoshi sees and identifies Shannon's body in Ep1. If George had checked for himself (motivated by the ring) he'd have seen Shannon wasn't in there. Yasu bet George wouldn't bear seeing the corpse of his beloved.

I know that the plot of umineko is amazing and stuff, im starting to read it but... how the hell do you endure that awful art? is there a reskin or something?

>>6664066
There's nothing bad about killing. People only tend to think so.

>>6664097
it grows on you

>>6664066
>She planned on killing them, intent to kill is almost as bad as killing you.
Or she just wrote mysteries, without intent to kill, simply intent to remind Battler of their common love for mysteries and, in the same stroke, how much he cared, deep down, for his family he'd left behind.

>>6664097
After a few hours you get used to it

>>6664102
It's more like people don't want to die.

Kinzo wanna die, multiple times in their life due to sin/guilt/regret etc. Does that mean they're not people anymore?

>>6664118
You know what I mean, that's why people don't like killing in general.

>>6663933
>For example, "Illusions to illusions, the witch and the stake of illusions can pierce nothing buy illusions" means "Kanon was never pierced by any stake and he was not dead, he was just pretending to be so". And this goes for all the others, if there is one of them not clear just ask, I can tell my opinion.


"Fourth game, first twilight. A massacring storm sweeps through the dining hall."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions."

"Fourth game, second twilight. The two young ones face their trials and pass away together."
"Illusions to illusions. ......Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions."

I don't understand there.
"Tales woven by the gold truth"= Bribe.

Who was bribed?

>>6664106
When will you stop with this shitty theory? Do you enjoy being proven wrong again and again and again?

>>6664097
The plot of Umineko is really pretty bad, if you are playing it expecting a good plot give up right now.

>>6664125
All the servants and nanjo.
Fake murders and after gaap move them, kyrie provided the finishing blow.

>>6664088
I am the one disagreeing with you though I have to submit that the Yasu being upset about her body thing was a red flash and all of her motives were submitted without that. So on my side I can't argue that that was a factor.

However, I think it's mostly because of her feelings towards Battler. The longing for him isn't necessarily as bad as the time she waited. The three years can be stretched into the "1000 years" that we hear about Beato so much because of how much pain was added from the addition of waiting for him.

I think you're right in a sense though. She's just plain crazy. She basically decided one route she can take is to kill everyone and that's what she'll do. Unless something else happens, that'll be the end of that conference.

>>6664125
First Twilight: Eva, Hideyoshi, Rosa, Rudolf, Genji, Natsuhi
Second Twilight: George, Jessica.

If Beato didn't kill anyone, but once she was resurrected she sticked along, covering the ugly truth and suffering while Battler dickslaped her, i say she can be forgiven.

Also, Meta Beato = Yasu? This part wasn't never really clear to me, i always saw them as different characters. Afterall, Beato has memories of her mom and grandmother.

>>6664125
I'm not him but it's not necessarily a bribe. It's just being driven by the gold itself. "The gold reaper" of the room if you will.

Given EP4's parallels to the real events of Rokkenjima (7's Tea Party), it refers to Kyrie and Rudolph.

>>6664125
>"Tales woven by the gold truth"= Bribe.
Not really.
Gold truth = truth of Beatrice.
Beatrice believe that the cup trick is magic and therefore you can call it magic in gold.

There is never even one hint that gold truth = bribe so I don't even know where you got this.

>>6664097
>amazing plot
Retarded lolincest inbred child with magicalDID, perfect disguise conning at least 13people while at the same time loved by 2 of his nephew and 1niece going on creating close room murder with an incompetent and highly unreliable MC point of view?
I think not.
LOL I KILL MY PERSONALITY = X IS DEAD.

>Tales woven by the gold truth
Maybe this refers to the motive. They killed for the gold.

>>6664141
Meta characters aren't necessarily what they physically must be. Our Meta Beato is like a manifestation of everything we know about Beato. However, the core elements that make up Beatrice are that she's a witch and that she has the promise with Battler.

It is not necessarily Yasu but Beatrice created from Yasu, also given metaphorical importance.

>>6664144

Nope.

It's not talking about the golden truth.

It's more clear if you read the ep II part

""Let us continue. Second game, first twilight. Six with their stomachs split in the closed room chapel."
"Illusions to illusions. ......The gold truth locks the lock of illusions.""

Rosa was bribed and she made up stuff about the chapel door being closed

>>6664155
Again, I believe it is more the motive driven by the gold.

"Tales woven by the gold truth return to illusions" just means story written filled with Yasu's imagination return to illusion.

If it was bribe it wouldn't be an illusion after all, it would be what really what happened in this episode.

>>6664144
I don't think will's "gold truth" in his answers is the same as the golden truth of the game board

>>6664155
No, that just mean that trick was basically a magic trick.

How is the cup trick a bribe then?
And why would it return to illusion? Do you realize that "return to illusion" basically just mean "lol it's fake, didn't happen", right?
Bribe if they exist would be part of reality.

>>6664165

I'm not talking about THAT Golden Truth.

I'm talking about Will "Tales woven by the gold truth", i.e. a tale brought by gold. Bribe.

We know for sure Rosa was bribed during ep II since she lied about Shkannon and Kinzo.

>>6664000
>"Earth to earth. Illusions to illusions. No one would dispute that a closed room is a coffin."
George and Gohda were locked in together with the culprit, Shannon. The room itself was basically a coffin for them. Shannon killed them and hid in the room. Earth to Earth: Gohda and George were killed in that room. Illusions to illusions: Shannon died not actually die.

'Tales woven by the golden truth' basically means 'the narration in this scene was complete bullshit and does not at all represent what happened here'.

>>6664175
wow someone reached the same conclusion as me. I guess I'm not crazy after all

>>6664129
it's the first time I write this one, so you must be mistaken me for another anon with equally wonderful insight. And nothing has proven it wrong so far.

I WILL GO TO CALL KANON-KUN
ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN?

>>6664208
rearrange hair
Invert hat (red on inside)
take out fake breasts.
They're actually pants
wear those

done

Witches: Never trust them. They're just trying to fuck with you.

>>6664250
>implying Beato did that.


Anyhow, I ordered Rondo, and it was shipped on the 17th, with an air bubble envelope, from yesasia.com

I live in Europe, any idea how long the shipping is, anon?

>>6664175
what? i thought it was the other way around.
that they did die. shanon was killed. that's why will said he didn't deny the closed room.
then again this is based off of rosa being the killer in 2 with beato/kinzo seen by battler as corpses.

>mfw no Lambdadelta

the fuck is this shit.

Something interesting

Legend
Turn
Banquet
Alliance
End
Dawn
Requiem
Twilight

Rearrange the first letter of each name and you get B A T T L E R with an extra D somewhere.

The D being from his game too.

>>6664317
Dear Battler.

>>6664317
Onikakushi
Watanagashi
Tatarigoroshi
Himatsubushi
Meakashi
Tsumihoroboshi
Minagoroshi
Matsuribayashi
Saigoroshi

Just by chance, do you get anything from the first characters? Can't read moon here.

>>6664321
Alternately, "You just got Battler'd, bi-atch!"

>>6664334
Die, Battler.

I hate you so much.

>>6664317
Obviously, BATTLER'D
Would be hilarious to see Battler never existing in real world while being a superior creature of the meta world who just wanted to troll everyone (witches, Beatrice and Ange included).

EP8: "See, Ange? It's not a sad and scary story. It's A DEPRESSING AS FUCK CRUELEST STORY EVER"

And then Bern falls for such a twisted creature and they ride off to troll another world.

>>6664368
>And then Bern falls for such a twisted creature and they ride off to troll another world.
i am sort of ok with this. though i can't see bern being bottom/woman of any relationship.

Plus that ruins the whole psycho-lolli-lesbien thing going between bern/34

Judging by the lyrics of Bernkastel's image song, it seems that she wants to be killed. I bet that Will will be the one doing that.

>>6664389
Please no

>>6664389
>it seems that she wants to be killed.
?wut?
>I bet that Will will be the one doing that.
LOL, MAXIMUM TROLLING.

>>6664088
>Why is Yasu done with making choices of her own?
I dont have the exact quote but Claire said something like this:

"I decided to follow fate since everytime I tried to go against it, things turned out the worst possible."

>>6664389
If I
Seemed to be a demon
Then let’s praise me
For a little bit
Even if blood flows when you grip
Onto my cold, white, little fingers


Your smiling face from the distant days
Is never found
But if I’m at fault
Then someday…
Please, from your heart
Hate and kill the cruel me

If the wounded words decay
And the redness that scours this world vanishes

Please, please, please smile
And kill the cruel me
Don’t grieve
If you vow to kill me
Then the shining blueness will fall upon the two of us
Someone, please smile at me
And learn of the unnoticeable truth
I want you to grasp my fingers that tremble too much
I wonder why you’re sad like this

>>6664407
Dahw~

>>6664407
Thats.....so......sad......;_;

After reading the animesuki thread, I'm starting to feel sympathetic for Bernkastel.

Foolish humans deserve to be trolled.

So I was reading this and... What the fuck?

>>6664407
Fuck, that's almost more depressing than Yakusoku.

>>6664446
good god I know it has been said a thousand times but love Bern so much, I got this huge grin across my face at this scene

I didn't even hated Bernkastel in this scene, after all even if it is the truth he shouldn't even care as long as his parents are good people. stupid taboo.

>>6664446
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo!

>>6664452
I'm I the only one that has gone through the:
"fucking god bern is bad fucking ass. but wait, since r07 created bern, wouldn't it make him even more crooked, broken, and batshit insane?" moments?

>>6664465
No, you're not.

>>6664407
Poor Trollkastel, even she doesn't deserve a wish like that.

Wait, going through the early episodes. What did Kanon mean when he said he would be the zero in Beatrice's roulette? That he'd take control and stop the whole thing for good?

Btw, anyone else feel kind of sorry for him? He's the baby personality so he has the least experience and influence in what happens to him. He has the smallest chance of getting with the one he loves too.

>>6664494
No, he's saying that if he's killed, nothing will happen because he doesnt exist in the first place.

>>6664494
>What did Kanon mean when he said he would be the zero in Beatrice's roulette?
Hey guys, remember that zero theory?

>>6664513
Yeah, remember it. It's still not false, in a way.

Anyway, how many new character wil be there in ep8 according to everyone? I would say 2. It's Ryukishi we're talking about. Altough it CAN NOT be as bad as in ep7.

>>6664555
Asumu for sure, though I bet her sprite is just going to be a copypasta.

>>6664442
What thread? Do you have a link?

>>6664494

That scene is meaningless given what we know about the story now.

First of all, the context is that the red and black pockets on the roulette board are what "Beatrice" wants to happen. By being the "zero" pocket (which is green) he means he will cause something entirely unexpected to happen, because the odds in roulette are that the ball will land on a red or black space.

But the reality is that the zero pocket is still an outcome of the roulette board. It's not crazy or unheard of for the ball to land in a zero pocket.

Something completely unexpected in roulette would be if the ball bounced up and landed on top of the wheel you use to spin the roulette!

So basically either the scene with Kanon didn't happen, or Yasu was having a psychotic break in the boiler room, lol.

>>6664555

7 feels tame compare to the trainwreck of ep 6 where they drill it down on your hard. Not to mention 7 feels a lot shorter and Will is pretty good character (and the trolling evil Kyrie LOL).

>>6664579
>Yasu was having a psychotic break in the boiler room
>yasu was having
>having
yasu has been psychotic 24/7 since how far back....

>>6664389
you are not supposed to take lyrics of the image songs literally you know ?

Can someone explain to me how Kanon could become a real person?
I mean, I get the other personalities, Yasu goes to the island, gets the servant name Shannon but idealizes the "blessed name" as something to good for her and splits for the first time. But only for herself. For everyone else "Shannon" and "Yasu" is obviously the same person and their not aware that Yasu has these problems. Then comes Beatrice and once again, not a problem because no one else knows that Yasu thinks she's Beatrice. But what about Kanon? Kanon started as a split personality of Shannon but at some later point everyone accepts that Kanon is a different person. How? Why? Ok, so Genji and Nanjo would play along because she's the true head and stuff, but Jessica? Krauss? Natsuhi? Why?

>>6664563
Asumu's sprite will look like Hachijou Touya's.

>>6664609
>I mean, I get the other personalities, Yasu goes to the island, gets the servant name Shannon but idealizes the "blessed name" as something to good for her and splits for the first time. But only for herself. For everyone else "Shannon" and "Yasu" is obviously the same person and their not aware that Yasu has these problems. Then comes Beatrice and once again, not a problem because no one else knows that Yasu thinks she's Beatrice. But what about Kanon? Kanon started as a split personality of Shannon but at some later point everyone accepts that Kanon is a different person. How? Why? Ok, so Genji and Nanjo would play along because she's the true head and stuff, but Jessica? Krauss? Natsuhi? Why?

Krauss and Natsuhi doesn't give a fuck. I doubt they even notice Kanon.

Jessica is dump

Beside, Kanon is kinda discrete, it's not like he goes around shouting, he usually stay in the shadows.

>>6664609
Kumasawa helps too.

>how Kanon could become a real person
Win duel. Defeat Battler and Shannon ('s personality) to become human instead of furniture.

>>6664615
I meant in the eyes of the other inhabitants of the mansion. I can't believe that Jassica, Krauss and Natsuhi wouldn't notice that the new guess is really Shannon in different cloths.

That said, are there even any scenes with Kanon, Jessica/Krauss and view-point Battler in the eps 1-4? Damn, I need the re-read that now.

>>6664613

>Jessica is dump

Episode 7 Tea Party
Kyrie's gun keeps fucking up.
Rudolph's gun shoots low.
Beatrice survived the VIP room shooting. Leaves the room after Eva, passes by the Chapel, encounters Battler during the showdown between Eva and Kyrie.

r07 would not pass on this chance.

Are Jessica and Kanon even in love? I mean, do we even have proof, like Battler seeing them together or Jessica saying something about Kanon in front of him?

>>6664651

Why is everyone so sure Battler is alive?

He just went out when Kyrie entered the guest house, sure Maria cried when she was being killed, Battler might have heard it and come back. Kyrie would have seen it was useless to trick him now and kill him.

After all nothing is said about the corpes on there.

>>6664657
still not okay with shKannontrice personally, but they are. George and Shannon are, according to Ryukishi. And otherwise the whole love duel would be a joke.

>>6664679
Because he is the main character, and the only one whose death is not showed clearly. period.

>>6664657

There is a hell of a lot of scenes dedicated to them, at least. EP2's school festival, EP3 with the blinded Jessica and ghost Kanon, EP6 in its entirety... Wouldn't make sense if they weren't.

>>6664590
ep 7 was tame until the tea party then it just went full on bat shit insane.

>>6664701
>ep 7 was tame until the tea party then it just went full on bat shit insane.

Clair death scene was tame?

>>6664563
fuck. I want an Asumu like Rifyu's. She's too cute.

>>6664755
But you'll get Kyrie with red hair.

So guys, when are we going to find out about Dr. Nanjo's death scene in Ep 3? I mean, Eva didn't do it, and Battler confirmed Shannon's corpse shortly beforehand with his own eyes.
Was it Kyrie?

>>6664685
Not only that, but in the credits of each episode, Battler always ends up "missing", wheras the others left all kinds of remains and died in some way.

>>6664787
Even in Episode 3?

You know, when Eva wakes up in the secret room, she lists off the bodies she sees in the room. And Beatrice is not among them.

>>6664846
Wasnt it speculated in some of the earlier threads that Beatrice could have been something else than a person? Like, a radio called Beatrice or something playing the instructions.

You pronounce "Beatrice" Beatoriche.
How do you pronounce "Bice"? Biche? Sounds fucking weird. And kind of like "Bitch".

>>6664877
Of course she's not. She survided and wrote the tales in the bottles to hide the truth.

>>6664406
>"I decided to follow fate since everytime I tried to go against it, things turned out the worst possible."
This does in no way give any reason for why she would gamble with peoples' lives.
There are more than millions of ways she could have gambled with her future actions, without it involving the possibility of peoples' lives ending.

Yasu is simply batshit crazy, and has no good reason for gambling with peoples' lives.

>>6664877
That would imply there were 'magical scenes' in the Ep 7 Tea Party. Which there were not. Whether you want to accept it as truth or not, Beatrice caught a bullet. But she may not have died. She might have led Battler to safety.

>>6664879
>How do you pronounce "Bice"? Biche? Sounds fucking weird
May sound weird to an amerikkan, but it's an authentic italian nickname for Beatrice, while on the other hand Beato is something only a japanese could come up with

>>6664929

Yeah, I remember thinking that "Beato" is a pretty stupid nickname for a witch who's supposed to be European (non-Japanese) when we first got to know that name early on. Nice to see that it wasn't just Ryukishi being ignorant of other languages' phonetics.

>>6664579
>First of all, the context is that the red and black pockets on the roulette board are what "Beatrice" wants to happen. By being the "zero" pocket (which is green) he means he will cause something entirely unexpected to happen, because the odds in roulette are that the ball will land on a red or black space.
Not exactly. The 'zero' is an entirely expected outcome (happens 1 in 37 times or 1 in 19 times depending on what kind of roulette), and simply means 'nothing happens'. Kanon is the zero on Beatrice's roulette because if he were chosen to die, nothing actually happens.

Is this thread still bumping?

>>6664985
I don't even know what the bump limit is. But probably not, 335 posts.

Do you guys think something will happen with the whole Eva+Ange+Lion=Evangelion thing?

I mean, Lion keeps saying how weird it is that his/her name is spelled Lion but pronounced Leeon, as in evangelion. And Ange also mentioned how strange her name was.

New thread where?

>>6665038
shout out. Nothing else.

For those who doesnt see it. New thread.
>>6665016

>>6664000
Try to think to EP1 First Twilight and you will notice a contradiction: inside the garden warehouse there are six corpses, among which there is also Shannon (even though its corpse is hidden). But notwithstanding, when the corpses are discovered also Kanon is there. Then what? There was no Shannon corpse in the shed, that's why it was risky, if George or Battler actually wanted to go inside the shed, it would have been game over for Beato.

As it regards the last twilights of EP2, even though all the masterkeys are in Rosa's hand, Shannon has the key of Natsuhi's room, so she can close the door. She killed Gohda and George and closed the room.

>>6664009
Also I had problems with that, I should read that piece again... That is the only one I did not understand...

>>6664155
Yes, they were all lying. The only thing locking that door are Shannon's group words, i.e. Beatrice's words.

>>6664175
Yes, I think the same.

>>6664929
Actually... not really. Nobody would call "Bice" (spelled as the japaneses do, "Biche", like "bitch" in ingles plus the vocal e of "end") a person whose name is Beatrice; it was used, I think, 7 centuries ago, it was the nickname of Dante's Beatrice, Beatrice Portinari.
The nickname we use for girls called Beatrice is "Bea", exactly as the japanese pronounce "Beatoriche" without "toriche".
On the contrary we pronounce Beatrice almost identically to the japaneses (Beatoriche) without the "o" in the middle. (The stress is put on the "i" as the japaneses do, not as the English do, putting the stress on the "e".)

>>6665284
I'm italian and I have a friend called Beatrice.
We nicknamed her "Bice" so, it's still in use here at least in the North Italy.

>>6665540
Really? Never heard.
Anyway, it's weird to find a fellow countryman.

>>6664679
Because of the riddle in EP4.

"You are the only one alive on this island. I am here now and I will kill you. I am not you. Who am I?"

Battler was the last one alive. Wandered around helpless for the second day, got blown up.

>>6665749

Who am I? The promised reaper lowers the curtains on the tale regardless of the witch's will

>>6665925
also known as the bomb

>>6665925
>>6666310
Actually, could someone go into detail about Will's explanation? I think we all understand the Who am I riddle as the bomb and it fits quite well. However, the end part "regardless of the will of the witch" throws me off. Generally, I would take that statement to mean she didn't want it but it happened. But literally I read it as it being the result of her roulette or something.

>>6666468
What she wanted was for Battler to survive. This should be obvious. However, as Yasu says several times over, at the 1986 conference, she had abandoned herself and her hopes to the roulette. She would no longer fight, only accept the resolution the roulette brought.