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>Easy
>lose a continue on Cirno

Nice

Oh, and also, what's this card bonus thing you get after defeating bosses? Is it automatic or is there a criteria? Do they actually do anything or is it just point?

>>6426612
Thing is, even if you think that's shit, I still do the first level in my sleep. There's definitely a huge step up in difficulty and it happens on Cirno. If you're above the curve you wouldn't notice.

Hold shift for focused movement!

>>6426620
Whereas mature adults think they're cool for playing videogames on harder settings.

>>6426620
Actually the younger the people I know, the better they tend to be at games. My older friends can't even do a hadouken in Street Fighter or control someone in an FPS properly. My younger friends play through games on the hardest settings straight out of the box and don't really have any problems.

>>6426623
It's not about harder settings, it's about not playing on Easy. Jesus Christ, I don't see the point of playing a game if there is no challenge unless it's porn.

>>6426634
Well there obviously is a challenge since I lose a continue on the second boss and can't do the 5th level. The reason for difficulty levels is that not everyone is as good at such specific things as subgenres of videogames. Going off Easy, playing on Normal would be pointless because I'd just be playing the same 2 levels over and over, dying in a split second and not really being sure what I'm doing wrong so not being able to improve. It would like like trying to improve your reactions by dodging a bullet in real life. I also know that the average person would be even worse than I am - there's no way Normal is "for normal people", maybe "normal hardcore gamers".

>>6426641
But Anonymous-san, that's because you're still in elementary school!

>>6426648
As has been said, kids are way better at games than adults. We all have a little cousin or something similar who's great at games, and we all know how much the average parent sucks at games.

Holy shit, I thought I am the worst Touhou player ever, until I see OP.
I still can't beat Ichirin on normal, and I only managed to beat Kogasa yesterday without losing a life, but I deathbombed twice. And the only Touhou game that I managed to beat on Lunatic is PoFV with continues. Man that game is inconsistent as fuck.
Thanks OP, I feel all better now. I will now proceed to finish 4 episodes of Youkai Otome Zakuro that I just downloaded.
Also, use this and stop asking us silly questions:
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Gameplay
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Strategy .

>>6426616
>>6426623
So defensive~

No, really, either stop playing on Easy or stop playing altogether. It's not about stopping being a worthless babby, it's about changing mindset. On Easy, you think you're playing a normal 2D shooter, not a bullet hell.

Also, how long have you been playing? Don't tell me you thought you'd be able to clear it in less than a week without previous experience in the genre.

>>6426600
Hold shift for focused movement, the bigger the bullets are the more safer their edges are etc. Might be easier to start with 7th or 8th game, since they have visible hitbox and border thing or long bombing times.

>>6426641
Or maybe you just really suck at these sort of games, it happen. Don't deny it, it's the only way you'll get better.

I'd suggest you play a harder mode first then (not lunatic) to get used to the faster speed and more complex bullet spread, ect. Even if you don't make it to far, easy should be easier after that.
Keep in mind tho, you won't get an ending for playing in easy mode, and you can't save replays or get an ending if you use a continue.

>>6426652
No, not really, kids always suck more at videogames and adults have always been the most hardcore gamers. You just suck at videogames and are trying to justify it. Accept your position and save some dignity.

>>6426653
Thank you, but I can assure you that an average person is also worse than you. None of my friends are gamers and I know they'd find even the first level overwhelming.

>>6426657
This is my first go in about 3 years. Last time I played it for a total of about 15 minutes and that was it. I've never played this kind of game before. Growing up it was all fighting games, platformers, racing games... Well probably most genres apart from shooting (including even FPS). The difficulty is relative. To me, Easy is probably harder than Lunatic is to a veteran who's gifted in this genre.

Just keep on practicing, you would be surprised that the more you do a certain level the easier it becomes. I was in the same boat as you OP, starting on easy with EoSD, but I moved up to normal, then hard. Still cannot beat any game on lunatic, mostly because I sometimes twitch into bullets when dodging.

Not a touhou tip, but more of a tip in general, you really shouldn't mention you're from /a/ on here unless you have a REALLY good reason to. Almost every single post that starts that way turns out being some extremely retarded troll attempt, and there's no reason to associate yourself with that..

>>6426665
Bullshit. Little kids now have consoles or gaming PCs since they're about 4. No one I knew had a console until they were about 12 and even then they hardly had any games on it. It wasn't a case of money, the interest just wasn't there. Now I'm one of my only friends (all aged around 27) that has a console.

>>6426665
I don't know if you're only 20 or so (i.e. born 1990 or since then) but in the 80s and early 90s, only little kids played games. You'd have to be one serious social misfit to have a SNES or Mega Drive if you were over about 16 or so back then.

>>6426671
It is an extremely retarded troll attempt.
When there are so many Touhou game resources on the internet, why else would OP choose specifically to come to /jp/? Could he be a masochist?

>>6426666
>This is my first go in about 3 years. Last time I played it for a total of about 15 minutes and that was it. I've never played this kind of game before.

Well there's your problem, go play 5 hours a day for a month, if you still suck after that, then we'll talk.

>The difficulty is relative.

No it's not.

>To me, Easy is probably harder than Lunatic is to a veteran who's gifted in this genre.

Lunatic mode is about memorizing the patterns and positioning, it has nothing to do with your reaction time or skill. So no, it would not be easier for you.

What gave you the idea that these games were easy? Now stop trolling and go practice for more then 15 mins a day if you really want to get better.

>>6426615
You get the spell card if you clear it without dying or bombing.

Stop playing easymodo even if you find it difficult. What you need to do is keep practicing Normal over and over again to get used to 1) how bullet hell shooters work 2) the patterns. You probably don't even know how to stream and either hug the floor or move around aimlessly.

You'll probably also want to get the vsync patch but I forgot where it is. Google knows.

>>6426652
Games are traditionally a hobby for children (though this has changed a lot lately after they became much more mainstream) but that doesn't mean children are better at them. Just because a kid can beat their parents, or an adult who never play games ever, doesn't mean they'll be better than an adult that's played as much as they have. I know for a fact I was much shittier at games when I was younger.

>>6426666
There is no such thing as "gift". Only sheer determination and days of bloodied training. I grew up with the same genres of games as you. When I touched Touhou for the first time, I was happy I could make it to Stage 3 on Easy after two hours of trying.

15 minutes? Don't make me laugh! The only 15 minutes I know are 15 minutes of break after hours of trying to clear the first two stages on Lunatic without bombing or dying. That's probably the only way to get used to the clusters of bullets on Stage 4 and above on Normal.
There are no tips other than >>6426653
The rest is up to you.

>>6426682
I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he just didn't know anything about this place except that we talk about touhou a lot.

You want serious advice? Download the other games (PCB, IN, MoF, SA, UFO), cycle between them on NORMAL mode, and try to get yourself used to the controls. Seriously, you may think normal mode is beyond you, but you will never improve enough to beat easy mode like this. You say you play FPSs. Do you ever play them on easy mode? I'm sure you don't. If you REALLY need to, then just try the levels on easy once or twice to get a feel of the stages, then move on to normal. Also, you may want to start with PCB or MoF. EoSD has NOT hitbox = very beginner unfriendly.

Hold shift for focused movement!

>>6426692
It's true that if someone always plays games, they'll be better at 25 than they were at 10. My point is, and reality shows this, that adults play less and less games as they grow older. Me and my friends would have found it a lot easier to complete games when we were 14 because we were playing them for hours every day. Now we may play for an hour a night, a few times a week. If adults continue to play games as much as little kids, that's their choice (or failing) but that shouldn't reflect badly on people who move beyond that.

>>6426709
Sorry I was unclear. I said I never play FPS - I was saying that I've never played any shooting games for more than a few minutes, even FPS. I guess I've completed HL1 and 2 and Halo 1 and 2, but that's it.

>>6426681
My father (about 60 years of age now) used to play at arcades with his co-workers between work back then, so no.
I wasn't talking about consoles, I was talking about gaming in general. Adults are better at videogames than kids for the same reason they are better at everything that requires skill than kids: their brain and body are more developed.

>>6426712
Fucking casual, stop playing Touhou. Isn't there an MMO you should be grinding away in right about now?

>>6426709
Oh, I forgot to mention. It is UNCOMMON to die in FPS games. It is however UNCOMMON to NOT DIE in touhou. You WILL die getting there. You WILL FAIL to get past certain bosses (I can beat phantasm, but still die to cirno's opener consistently. go figure).

Don't give up. I used to think normal was hard as heck. That was 4 years ago. Now I can get to stage 4 on Lunatic. With about 1 - 2 hours of game time a WEEK.

PLAYING ON EASY WILL ONLY MAKE THE GAME HARDER IN THE LONG RUN.
START ON NORMAL, OR DONT EVEN BOTHER PLAYING.
PLAYING ON EASY WILL ONLY MAKE THE GAME HARDER IN THE LONG RUN.
START ON NORMAL, OR DONT EVEN BOTHER PLAYING.
PLAYING ON EASY WILL ONLY MAKE THE GAME HARDER IN THE LONG RUN.
START ON NORMAL, OR DONT EVEN BOTHER PLAYING.

>>6426712
...uh, I don't get what you are trying to say. If people stop playing as much as they get older and they end up sucking at a game because of it, that is expected.
It is not like that's a bad thing or even unexpected but in this case we'd be talking about an adult that has been spending the same amount of time playing games as he or she always did, in that case they would be better then most children I'd say.

It would be like comparing a gamer to a non gamer and saying that the gamer is better, that doesn't even mean anything.

>>6426619
>>6426659
>>6426709
http://borderofgensokyo.foroactivo.com/presentate-girls-are-now-preparing-f6/hold-shift-for-focused-
movement-t38.htm

>>6426732
he's obviously new at STG, easy was made for people like that. "MAJEE EASY MODO XDD", I know, but there's nothing wrong if you're actually a true beginner at the genre.

>>6426736
Si habla Espanol

Also Rule #1 of /jp/.

>>6426723
Do you have any friends who aren't enormous geeks? You think MMOs are casual? What kind of geeky world do you live in where casual gamers want to spend hours of every day pretending to be an elf in a fantasy world? Holy fuck, 80% of the people I know wouldn't even know what MMO stands for.

>>6426734
>I don't get what you are trying to say
It's called a non sequitur, good job dodging the trap.

>>6426744
Easy is NOT a training ground for this genre tho, you don't get better by playing it.

>>6426744
Yeah whatever thats fine but if he really wants to get better at the game, playing on easy mode will hinder his progress.

I mean unless all he wants to do is be able to clear on easy forever.

There is a HUGE gap between Easy and Normal, a small one for Normal to Hard, and a slightly larger one from Hard to Lunatic.

>>6426751
Maplestory.

>>6426723
>this person has richer and more varied lifestyle than I do, I must insult him by taking a wild guess at his preferred gaming genre, only for it to backfire and make me look even more of a neckbeard.

>>6426751
>You think MMOs are casual?

Compared to mastering a danmaku? yes, fuck yes.

>>6426756
Now you've gone full retard. Again, a normal casual gamer wouldn't play an MMO, anime graphics would only put them off further. You really don't know anyone who doesn't know what terms like VN and RTS mean,. do you? You take a relatively high level of geekiness for granted in people.

>>6426752
I doubt he's looking for a "training ground". He's obviously a casual, and Easy was made for people like that. I guess if he'll reach a point where he'll want a challenge, he'll up the difficulty.

This guy is pretty chill and you're all "THE GROUND IS TOO SOFT" "I WISH MORE OF MY BONES WERE BROKEN" /v/-level faggots.

>>6426759
Yeah, and shit smells good compared to rotting human flesh but it's still a terrible example of something that smells good.

>>6426758
>Watch me greentext all day!

>>6426763
But like I said previously, you don't get endings in easy mode.. Assuming that he wants one and isn't just playing it for "whee! I'm dodging bullets matrix style" he'll have to play normal.

Touhou is a very hard game compared to the stuff you would play growing up and even nowadays.

Repetition is the key. You only need to 1cc it once, die fifty times if you need to. The low success rate is the reason I don't play Touhou has much as others.

>>6426752
This, a million times this.

Practicing for Touhou is like trying to build up your biceps: you need to lift bigger weights than you usually do in your everyday life in order to make some progress.
(now where's Arc to comment on my example?)

>>6426766
>I think greentexting is a good way to insult greentext, I probably fart to try to stop other people from farting.

>>6426773
That's probably just the wrong side of too toned, but I could still fap over it.

>>6426763
/jp/ has always been pretty serious about Touhou, even before /v/ started flooding in.

>>6426764
Hey, I have nothing against MMO players, I play them to. Just saying by comparison mindless MMO grinding IS easier.

>>6426779
>I am so fucking mad right now, who would've thought that my posting habits would reveal that I have shit for brains.

>>6426782
It's easier but not casual. I know this is just semantics that has nothing to do with the thread, but a normal person would not want to play as a fantasy creature in a fantasy world where they collect items and craft shit. It might be a sedate type of game but it's definitely Geeks Only. Even a harder game, like Halo on Legendary or even Heroic, is a lot more casual simply because "I AM STRONG SOLDIER" is more appealing. I wasn't trying to defend MMOs by saying they're no casual, I was saying the idea of them being casual can only come from someone who has friends who all play MTG or Games Workshop and takes it for granted.

>>6426791
>Whoops I accidentally greentexted this when it was meant to be a straight forward confession that I am mad.

>>6426797
>I like to conveniently imagine typos in other people's posts.

>>6426792
Thing is tho, I know a few casual gamers who do play MMOs, they do not play console games, not even things like Halo. They just end up playing a MMO by following the flow, sure there are allot of more obscure F2P MMOs that you'd usually only find hardcore gamer on, but more mainstream ones like WoW are filled with casual gamers.

>>6426758
>>6426766
>>6426779
>>6426791
>>6426797
>>6426805

OP are you even using bombs? I don't see how you can possibly lose a continue on easy mode Cirno.

Oh shit I just noticed your last question OP. No, DO NOT ON SLOW MODE. It will only pamper you. NEVER EVER USE SLOW MODE. Even easy mode is STILL OK. Slow mode is basically similar to. . .blacksheepwall in sc1 campaigns. Normal is the DEFAULT.

The hitbox is. . .erm, the center of reimu. Which comes back to my point of starting with pcb, so you get a feel of where the hitbox is.

>>6426826
He meant focused movement, I'm pretty sure.

In which case, he should switch constantly as needed.

>>6426832
Oh, if he meant focused movement then yes, OP should switch as necessary. Although it might be asking too much for a beginner to switch between the two, so for starters seeing focused mode as the default and normal movement as a boost may be a good idea, although personally I see unfocused movement as the default with focused movement only when I need it. It's probably better for you to see focused as the default though, since most of the basic skills you will need to learn such as streaming and micrododging are done while focused.

>>6426600
OP this may sound silly, but try not to think. As long as I'm just enjoying the music and almost idly move through the bullets coming at me, I do fine. As soon as I start to think about it I go "JESUS CHRIST HOW WILL I DODGE ALL THI-" oh I got hit.

>>6426865
Yes, life would be so much easier if we could just remove our fucking brains.

Well n my first go on Normal I got to the boss of level 4, so that's only 1 level less than on Easy. I still don't see how this has "nothing to do with reactions" as someone said, because many of the bullet patterns seem to be hard as fuck to dodge wherever you are.

>>6426868
It's more about learning to ignore excess information.

>>6426870
Reactions normally matter only during the first time, except for the really fast ones or Kogasa's fucking roulette of doom. Knowledge of the card's pattern is far more important.

>>6426865
I've done this before against Yukari, but it's really not my style. My style uses up all of my adrenaline, though, but that's sort of why I play STGs.

>>6426888
>>6426882
Right then, I'll just memorize Eternal Meek...

>>6426870
I said lunatic has nothing to do with reactions.

You can get get by in normal and hard, but in lunatic you need to know how to move/where to be/what to attack to create openings for yourself. You usually pick this up while playing normal and hard over and over again or by watching replays/videos on youtube, and it does make the game easier, believe me.

>>6426830
I try to avoid using them until "I really need them" but when that's the case, it's over too quick. I suppose I should be more bomb-happy until I get more used to the overall flow of play.

I tend to die on the bit when she does these curving vertical bullet corridors at eventually cross over around the middle of the screen. Forgive the eye cancer Paint image, but it's vaguely like this.

>>6426889
If you can't beat Icicle Fall on easy you're pretty silly

>>6426889
ZUN would be jealous of your artistic skills.

>>6426865
Don't think.FEEL∵<・>∵∴<・>

>>6426893
If you define silliness by if they can "beat" a certain configuration of projectiles in an obscure Japanese shooting game, you're astoundingly retarded.

>>6426889
On easy mode get right under her and you won't get hit. On normal and up you need to get out through left or right before you're trapped.

I prefer to use my all my bombs as soon as possible because I hate dying without having used them. It also makes you focus more knowing you don't have a get out of jail free card.

>>6426893
Well where do I go then? I tried moving up towards her but she kills you at the top. Are you meant to hang out near the bottom then?

>>6426899
Stop trying to dodge the bullets and dodge them

>>6426908
>>6426910
Ah I see, thanks.

>>6426892
In example, when fighting Sakuya, when she does some of her spellcards just staying right in front of her then moving back allows you to dodge most everything with ease. There's even a little trick where staying at her side and moving from left to right behind her lets you totally avoid her bullets.

Also don't know if you've noticed but the closer you are to the target the more damage you do, when you get the chance try to move up right in front of the boss and blast them from point blank.

>>6426773
>>6426784
It's perfect. Just perfect. This is how I'll imagine Yuugi from now on.

Hell, this is how most, if not all, mature Touhous should look like. None of this fat butt and breast tumors bullshit. They play danmaku every day, they simply have to be extremely fit.

>>6426941
....um, how does danmaku = physical prowess? Isn't it more magical? Plus they are flying around not running on the ground, how exactly would that develop them physically?

>>6426941

>Hell, this is how most, if not all, mature Touhous should look like.

Nice plan, but Yukari isn't getting that kind of body from sleeping on her well-padded ass all day, bub.

>>6426950
I imagine you need to be in a pretty good condition to withstand constant dodging and changing of direction. Especially if you want to keep that up for a long time.

>>6426941
>breast tumors
Large breasts contain fat, not cancer cells.

>>6426960
Yes, but physically? Mentally maybe, how does flying exert them physically? Maybe some of the winged ones like Aya, but the others?

>>6426968
You've never been in one of those speedy spinning entertainment park attractions? What about fighter pilots?

Somehow I just can't imagine withstanding all kinds of fast air movements and tricks if you're a fat blob, especially if you have to do those yourself and not some machine.

Magic solves everything though.

>>6426979

Let's fly away on a pillow of miracles made out of magic.

>>6426979
Well yes, you'd have to be in good physical health, and that may involve having a well managed body. But that does not mean you'd have to become muscle bound, just that you'd have to be fit.

Getting good at anything, including games requires a at least a few hours a day of training or practising. You're not going to get better if you casually fuck around for 15 minutes at a time.

Take a break after doing a run, drink plenty of water, analyse and understand your faults and think about how you can improve. These steps are universal in just about every field. It's important to understand you're not going to improve overnight.

The only boundary is one's motivation. It's easy to think people have a talent and will always be better at something than you, but they didn't get there because they didn't try.

>>6426600
This artist did a Patchouli picture? My life is complete.

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>>6427086
What are you talking about, she's clearly Mokou wearing Patchouli's nightgown

>>6426959
Hence most. Yukari and Yuyuko, maybe Letty too, can be cows all they want, I don't even particularly care.