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Have you seen the guy's portrait?

that's because george is a fat jealous faggot that hid the letter from battler to shannon saying that he still loves her and that if she doesn't reply then he will understand that she moved on to someone else
in other words george is responsible for the events

He has a round face. He has normal looks.

But he's in a good shape since he practiced martial arts with his mother.

He's not fat. He never was. But the Internet can do magic and make the impossible possible.

See, I thought he looked a little chunky in his portrait. But it didn't really seem like he was FAT FAT. I had figured there was some event that this was referencing.

>>6007555
>saying that he still loves her and that if she doesn't reply then he will understand that she moved on to someone else
Let's stop making shit up.

>>6007566
what if it's true
it's probably true
Battler said he doesn't like messing around with girls in his school ===> that's because he already has a "waifu" and awaits her reply

>>6007576
That's just Eva being overly worried as always.

>>6007566
It's very well possible. Bottle messages were written before the accident, later stories are based on them, so we don't know if Battler remembered and confessed to Shannon in the true version of event or not.

>>6007555
I wouldn't put it past George.

>>6007595
IT'S EVEN IN HIS BREAST POCKET
THE WHOLE TIME

So this is just another offshoot of the Jesstrice theory? Fucking Umineko, being twisty as all hell.

But, guys, like, what does the letter have to do with him being fat or not?

Just asking.

>>6007582
>"Yeah, let's do it. ...But, that looks like a really delicious cake. I wonder if I should get one like that too."
>"You can't... If you eat cake after already eating so much, you will get fat. It looks like Hideyoshi-sama's blood is pretty thick on you, George-sama, so if you don't take care, you will get chubby."

Shannon knows it too.

>>6007609
George hiding the letter -> Shannon believes Battler forgot her -> George steals Shannon from Battler -> Umineko happens because Yasu can't forget about Battler -> everything is George's fault -> people are mad -> FAT FAT FAT

>>6007580
Again, don't make shit up.
Battler is a lot like rudolf.

>>6007610
She's trying to PREVENT HIM from getting fat. With the Hideyoshi's blood thing she most probably means that he has a kinda big build like him.

But no, not fat still.

>>6007622
Battler wrote a letter to everyone, even people can't read, except Shannon? Who he said talking to was the most fun thing about coming to Rokkenjima? Yeah, sure.

And the Tea Party proposal scene was about 90% George crying about how much cooler Battler is than he is, and how he was afraid Shannon would choose Battler over him.

>>6007629
She's just trying to be polite.

>>6007635
And that justifies the content you made up?
No.

>>6007637
That could be possible, but...

He still doesn't look really fat in the sprites. Hideyoshi does. George doesn't.

>>6007653
It's called reasoning, idiot. If you'll just use what's written in plain text, you won't solve anything.

>>6007653
He also keeps trying to tell Shannon that Battler forgot all about her. Good job, twenty year old. Way to break that twelve year old's heart in an attempt to get into her pants.

Oh, and he used to discuss her breasts. When she was ten years old.

>>6007653
>I just think all those hints about George having complexes about Battler, envying his relationship with Shannon, and "coincidences" that made him closer to Shannon are all unrelated to each other. No suspicious material here, no sir.
Typical stopped thinking idiot.

Rifyu made George fat.

Oh gullible OP, don't believe what they say.

REPEAT IN RED THAT USHIROMIYA JOJI IS NOT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT FAT !

it was said in the VN that george is a chubby person. and of course he is chubby, just look at his VN sprites

>>6007742
Source or it didn't happen. And check your sight, maybe you're blind.

The only reason I disliked the anime was that George was nowhere near fat enough. I wasn't expecting him to be grotesquely obese or anything, but he was still excessively thin.

The anime was honestly passable in other aspects.

>>6007757

i dont want to re-read ep1 & 2 because i dont know where exactly it was said. maybe it was even in ep3? i dunno really. but someone else posted a picture of it here too so i'm sure about it

>>6007635
>>6007678

George confirmed for final boss?

>>6007762

Everyone's waist size in the anime was cut by 50%, and their bust increased by about 8 cup sizes.

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>6007793
No just a manipulative creep.

>>6007810
I can only imagine them doing this to Leon if they animated Chiru

>>6007810

http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/507914/

>>6007810
>their bust increased by about 8 cup sizes.

In fairness, look at >>6007576 and try to tell me with a straight face that they didn't pull off Eva's tits well

Even her VN sprite is stacked as fuck, goddamn. Look at the SIDE BOOB WHERE HER BREAST SLIGHTLY OBSCURES THE ORANGE BAND AROUND THE SHOULDER, OH GOD FAPFAPFAP

>>6007810
Bern became flat as a table in the anime

>>6008019

And Maria became 5 years younger.

>>6007810

>>6007827
Actually, speaking of breasts.. take a close look at Shannon's left breast. Also, she has a rose in her hair. DEEN may fail at everything else, but that's some pretty impressive foreshadowing.

>>6008142
As instructed by Ryu07.

>>6008142
>rose
You don't know about flowers, like at all.

>>6008142
I don't see any clues on her breasts, except that that they are always fully covered. Umineko catbox in all its glory.

>>6008226
Note the lack of cleavage despite the "size" of her breasts, and the shadow on the upper right of her left breast that shouldn't be there unless it's only connected to her body by a small bit of skin. It's a breast pad.

>>6008208
A rose is a red flower is a red flower. Close enough.

We have to look at things logically here. It's quite possible that George hid Battler's letter from Shannon, George is yandere for Shannon.

Does that make him the culprit? Not really, all George needs to do is kill Battler to avoid being NTR'd.

I think there was someone manipulating him, saying "Y'KNOW GEORGE BATTLER AND SHANNON SURE ARE CLOSE" or something to that effect.

Basically, if we don't have Shannon as the culprit, we have someone who really hates the fuck out the Ushiromiyas. And George may be an insecure dude, but I don't think he would want the entire family to be killed. I'm thinking that between 1984 and 1986, someone decided to mind rape the shit out of Shannon.

And, that someone seems to have succeeded. Or Shannon did it because she just spontaneously decided that murder was really cool, take your pick.

>>6008461
Well, we have Kumasawa, Nanjo, Jessica, and Genji as possible culprits for that. But none of them really seem to hate the family. Well, Jessica got a tiny bit of foreshadowing for that in episode two, but then later on she flips the fuck out when her parents are killed.

didnt fatfatfat start cause of what george said to shannon in ep 6?
cause i never saw anyone use it tell ep 6 got translated.

>>6008461
Clair/Beatrice/Yasu is the culprit, it was stated in episode 7.
Why do people still try to argue about it?

>>6008226
Hnnnnnnnnngh my Maria

>>6008526
Because no one buys her sob story, that's why. We don't think that after episode 5 Battler freaked the fuck out and broke down simply because he forgot a childhood promise.

>>6008406
>lack of cleavage
Art style, Jessica doesn't have it too.
>shadow
It's a shadow from her hand.

Anyway, this shouldn't be a big clue.

A better topic than george.

Would you fuck/impregnate jessica if she was your cousin irl?

>>6008553
Well, duh. Jessica's so appealing even traps want her.

>>6008548
here, this is what I think the guy was thinking about

>>6008539
That's R07, of course "her" sob story is why Battler broke down.

And it was episode 7, next episode is the last, R07 won't write wrong answers in the next to last episode.
Clair/Beatrice is considered the culprit of Umineko, episode 7 stated it clearly, there is nobody manipulating her or him.

>>6008593
Bah, her story ended in 1984, that's two years before the start of the series, and I've yet to see a convincing reason for her to kill people. There's more to this.

Ryu said many times that Beatrice is not a single person, but a personification of the rules. Yet it still turned out to be just one of personalities of the maid, and "different rules" - just elements of her back story. What the fuck, maybe something is not right here.

>>6008593
Then why wasn't she shown as the murderer in the Tea Party?

>>6008582
That's her right breast and your arrow points at her finger.

>mfw people argued about the weight of a minor character

>>6008641
don't you see the slim shadow under the little strap thingie? It doesn't make sense anatomically, if the breast is that big.

>>6008634
Actually, she partially was. She said that she was going to kill them all in various ways and blow the island up, but because they solved the epitaph she no longer cares.

>>6008641
look at the boob shape, this shadow shouldn't be there unless the breast is detached from the body

>>6008654
Okay, so, 'why'?

It's not JUST because she wanted to create the ultimate mystery. That's no motivation. Someone else is behind this.

>>6008651
>>6008669
Ok, it's a useless argument. I'm not a breast meister, so I can't say for sure. If only Battler tested them...

>>6008593
>That's R07, of course "her" sob story is why Battler broke down.

I'm honestly not buying this. Battler went through a lot of shit from EPs 1-4, and we know the guy seriously care for his family, to simply accept the whole deal happened to to a broken promise and a somewhat sad story.

Yes, EP7 was the second to last novel, but again, it wasn't the last one. We have no definite proof EP7's Tea Party happened the way it was show, since for all we know, that Red didn't exist.

>>6008684
It's all Jessica's fault. She's the one who stopped him.

>>6008675
the motivation will be the whole point of ep8 together with Ange.
again, Battler and Will instisted that while everyone was just fine with knowing whodunnit and howdunnit, they thought whydunnit was the most important.
We got the first two, Auau went back to sleep because she doesn't care about much else, now guess what Battler will do in the last game. You should be able to solve this.

>>6008691
>again, Battler and Will instisted that while everyone was just fine with knowing whodunnit and howdunnit, they thought whydunnit was the most important.

Exactly, and check the beginning of EP7 again, with the guys saying the maid was the culprit and that all the evidence made sense. Then Will shows up and tells them that despite the evidence, there's just no motive.

So, it's not find a culprit and then the motive, but find a motive, and with it the culprit.

>>6008691
More like Bern will expose all the dirty shit about "parts of Beato" in her cruelest game, while Battler at the same time/halfway through/at the end will tell the true story.
Ah, and we should be able to reason out 'why' long ago, not just from the last episode.

>>6008769
just like we should have been able to guess the culprit since episode 4, and then lol j/k it was so random xD all along.
Don't underestimate R07 when it comes to asspulls tweests

>>6008769
>while Battler at the same time/halfway through/at the end will tell the true story.
For the last fucking time, Battler didn't say anything about telling the truth.

As for the rest of you:

Yes, there is a huge hole left in Yasu's motive. A two year hole, to be exact. Will understood what it was, but didn't say anything. Leon theorized that it was the stuff about furniture, but he is specifically the Watson character, which means he's just giving his theory.

Nevertheless the game is clear that those two years are what turned Yasu to her plan to murder. So stop saying her past doesn't make sense as a motive, because it was never meant to BE her motive. The only thing her past does is explain "how" she exists and "who" she is, not the WHY of her actions.

>>6008791
Oh, you're one of those idiots, who think that we didn't have a clue about possible existence of being with a characteristics of Yasu until ep7. Opinion invalidated.

>>6008634
Because culprit =/= murderer automatically.

Anyways it's nothing something that can be argued, Clair/Beatrice is the culprit, it's STATED and shown.

Goddammit, Will, why do you have to be such a nice guy. Tell us what's going on. ;_;

>>6008833
The motivation is clear if you think about it, only a few things could have happened during these 2 years.

But some people here seem to think that what happened during these 2 years is something that was never foreshadowed and that could explain logically why Yasu could want to kill people.

>>6008837
nice reading something I didn't say. Yasu is not the point, making all hints point at Yasu and then making her die at the start of the thing while some other random character who could've been every single one of the parents being the murderer is a textbook definition of asspull, deal with it.

>>6008862
You don't get it. Did you even read the episode?

I've always thought Shannon was hot because of her tattoo...
I kinda have a fetish for that.
Anyone else with me?

>>6008869
I'm sure you did and possess the certain truth that spoilers couldn't transmit, so how about you illuminate me on how that makes any sense?

>>6008861
It's not that it hasn't been foreshadowed, it's that it's hard to put together a coherent picture with the stuff we have. Sort of like how everyone hated the idea Shkanontrice and then Ryukishi pulled it off really well. Even making a timeline would probably help figuring out the motive clearly.

>>6008833
>For the last fucking time, Battler didn't say anything about telling the truth.
Are we read the same Tea party? And you trust Bern too much.

Ange: 「じゃあ、教えて。あの日、何があったの？六軒島で何があったの？」
Battler: 「いいとも。………話してあげるよ。あの日、あの島で何があったのか。」

「それは、……怖い話……？」
「まさか。」
「それは、悲しい話……？」
「とんでもない。」
「それは、……どんな話……？」
「聞いた縁寿が、自分で決めるといい。@決して辛い話じゃないんだよ。だ
からお聞き。」
これが。
縁寿に捧げる、最後のゲーム。
お聞き、縁寿。
あの日、六軒島で、何があったのか。
これは、辛い話でも、悲しい話でもないんだよ………。

OF COURSE IT WILL BE FUNNY STORY ABOUT HOW HER PARENTS ACCIDENTALLY KILLED EVERYONE.

>>6008889
There is no murder mystery. There are just murders. There is no culprit. There are just accidental deaths and murderers. Mystery = Fantasy. Game over.

>>6008902
Point out where he says anything about the truth. He says he'll tell her a story about what happened and that it won't be sad or scary.

What do you think he's going to tell her? Anon's comics about how they accidentally murdered one another while helping one another out?

FUCK YEAH ACCIDENTS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT GOHDA IS DEAD
WASN'T ME
ME NEITHER
NOT ME
KYRIE WHY ARE YOU WHISTLING
IT'S ACTUALLY AN ANCIENT SUMADERA REQUIEM RESERVED FOR THE MOST SUPREME COOK
MAKES SENSE, YOU'RE SO CONSIDERATE

>>6008936
Leave Gohda lone ;___;

Here you go, OP.

Context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma8Yj5lsuDk&fmt=18

>>6008912
how does telling people to solve mystery for 6 episodes and then saying it was ultimately pointless make sense to you
I mean ok, we could perfectly guess the Yasu-like being. What was the point? He's not the fucking culprit. There isn't a fucking culprit after 6 episodes of "find out the mysterious culprit"

>>6008891
ShKanontrice wasn't pulled off well.
It's still personalities who can die in red and shit.
And it makes even less sense after episode 7 since now it's hinted that Yasu doesn't even have DID.
So what, imaginary friends can exist and die in red? Superb logic R07, greatest mystery ever.

>>6008933
>He says he'll tell her a story about what happened
Yeah, of course he'll be shitting us, unlike that kind, cute witch, right?
And her parents are already blamed/suspected by media. He must clear away that. The only one who can clear away the suspicion in human world is the survivor. Eva decided not to talk (hint to George/Hideyoshi being an ass), but Battler can tell the truth.

>>6008861
What do you think happened in that 2 year gap?
We've seen some scenes from 1985 on several occasions, and while I have my ideas, I'm honestly not certain about them. But you, on the other hand, sound very confident. Can you share with me what you think that happened in that time gap?

>>6009008
And what will be the truth he will say?
How everyone was nice and dandy but still died due to whatever reason?

Protip, what happened happened, there is no changing that.
But there is a reason why Kyrie and Rudolf never got their backstories told, why the birth of Battler is the biggest mystery left.
Battler won't tell a new truth that will override the one we saw in the tea party, it doesn't make sense with the narrative, he will just bring the one element Bern didn't show, love.

>>6008996
They are fictional characters killed in fictional ways. If you think of this as a play, Yasu plays both Shannon and Kanon, and at some point during the play, she decides to kill them off. This is why it can be said in Red, since every story is fiction.

I'm not saying this isn't a foul move from R07, but well...

>>6008996
Imaginary friends are valid on Umineko's world. Didn't EP4 teached you anything?

> (hint to George/Hideyoshi being an ass)

Hideyoshi what for?

>>6009033
How do you know that happened?
What's your proof Bern didn't lie in EP7's Tea Party?

>>6009048
Bern wasn't even telling the story, bro.

>>6009008
>Yeah, of course he'll be shitting us, unlike that kind, cute witch, right?
Yeah, of course Battler will sit down and explain everything to us, just like he did in EP6, right?

>>6009054
That's what SHE says.
Why do you believe that she's telling the truth?

>>6009046
In red, they weren't supposed to be.
You never got the presence of any fantasy characters proven in red.
Only Shannon and Kanon and they can even die.

It's just an asspull, you guys shouldn't even try to defend this.

oh lol the BERN IS TROLING fags again

>>6009074
Because it makes complete sense as the culmination of her plan with Will and Leon.

>>6009086
>You never got the presence of any fantasy characters proven in red.

What about Erika? It's been proven beyond doubt she wasn't in Rokkenjima, yet there are Reds for her actions.

>>6009033
「……お兄ちゃんは知っているよね？　お父さんとお母さんは悪い人じゃな
いって、知ってるよね？」
「あぁ。もちろんだとも。……誰も悪い人なんかいないって、知ってるさ。
」

Yeah, and with love they automatically will turn into a good people from a cold-blooded murderers.

>>6009046
For the reason why she kept silent, though I didn't suspect him much.

>>6009074
>Why do you believe that she's telling the truth?
Because it's crueler that way.

>>6009094
The fact it may make sense, doesn't mean it's THE truth.
Get that into your head dude.
We were told that much at the beginning of this EP.

>>6009114
I agree with this, and I like it too. Seriously, I just love the sweet irony that Battler's and Ange's parents are the murders.

However, this is Bern... her so called Red was cut short, and you cannot even back-log to it.

>>6009100
Erika was a character who could have been on the island in the real event.
She isn't a demonic stake or whatever, she is even far more real than an imaginary friend since she really lived in the real world.

>>6009116
I'm sure there's more to the story with Kyrie and Rudolf. It's an incomplete truth without love, but it's truth.

But if it wasn't truth, there is no reason this episode couldn't have just started out with the tea party, with Bern chaining Ange and possibly Leon to their chairs and making them watch. The entire point of her dragging in Will was that he gave her the opportunity to show what laid behind the illusion.

>>6009123
>I agree with this, and I like it too.
There's nothing to agree, that's how it is, she says it. Now that the truth has been revealed, fantasy can't escape it, that's why Leon gets killed. The whole point of Leon getting killed is that the truth caught up with the fantasy/fiction.
And we have the red truth that so many want to doubt when before they accepted red truth blindly.

>>6009132
Bern can show whatever she wants, like Natsuhi being an unfaithful woman who gets laid with Kinzo!

Honestly, mate...

>>6009065
Ep6 wasn't the last one.

>>6009094
Her plan is to troll Ange, Beato and satisfy her grudge. Auau was interested only in the mystery aspect. Since those killings didn't logically follow from the mystery side of the story, they're not necessary to show at all.

>>6009149
>Now that the truth has been revealed, fantasy can't escape it, that's why Leon gets killed. The whole point of Leon getting killed is that the truth caught up with the fantasy/fiction.

What truth? Bern is cruel.. she'll do anything to make this story look as painful as possible. Hell, she's done this before.


>And we have the red truth that so many want to doubt when before they accepted red truth blindly.

What Red? The one that was cut short by Ange's screams and that you CANNOT EVEN BACKLOG TO?

>>6009150
So why didn't she just show what she wanted from the start, then, if she was able to, instead of jumping through all the hoops in the main game and dealing with the biggest moralfag of the series in the process?

Again, it's an incomplete truth. There's more to the story. Probably we've being denied information the distorts the overall picture. But is it factually correct? Almost definitely.

>>6009020
George who get more insistent with Shannon and eventually manage to make her fall for him.

Kanon and Jessica's relationship who get more heated and though nothing happened yet it was clear they had budding feelings for each others.

All the parents have big money trouble with some who could even go to prison.

And Battler who will finally come back.

Maybe Yasu wanted to help his family financial problem but he also wanted to confirm his feelings for the cousins.
But he thought that he could never be with them due to his body.
So he decided to have this huge deadly game, if the parents win they get all the gold, if Yasu wins he gets the confirmation of his feelings and the conclusion of the love pentagon in a deadly way.

Basically for him it was:
Parents: if they win they get the gold, otherwise they die, it's fair.
Cousins sans Maria: I love them and they love me, but our love could never be so we should all die and be happy in the after life, everybody will be happier this way.

>>6009150
>>6009150

This point only add more credibility to EP7 Tea party.

How did Bern show Natsuhi getting laid with Kinzo?
She said, she told, she speculated. There is no real scene for it.

In exchange you get a free scene with Kyrie killing.

>She can't show a scene with Natsuhi and Kinzo in bed

>She can show Kyrie killing

Except Bern isn't responsible for what was shown in the tea party of episode 7.
Before arguing, get your facts right.

>>6009165
>What truth? Bern is cruel.. she'll do anything to make this story look as painful as possible. Hell, she's done this before.
By omitting things, maybe. But saying she's showing bullshit at this point is not believable anymore.
>And we have the red truth that so many want to doubt when before they accepted red truth blindly.

>What Red? The one that was cut short by Ange's screams and that you CANNOT EVEN BACKLOG TO?
It was still red. I haven't seen any other red deny it like Erika, so? Suddenly whitetext can destroy red? Have you checked the other games to see if determined special effects made other sentences not back-loggable?

>>6009165
>What Red? The one that was cut short by Ange's screams and that you CANNOT EVEN BACKLOG TO?

Here, check it out, you cannot backlog to it.

>>6009182
Yeah, because she said it herself, right?

>>6009187
>It was still red. I haven't seen any other red deny it like Erika, so? Suddenly whitetext can destroy red? Have you checked the other games to see if determined special effects made other sentences not back-loggable?

Yes, ever single instance is back-loggable. Just not this Red.

>>6009182
That's what we're trying to tell the EPIC BERN RTOLLING fags

>>6009171
Yup, no crazy at all, no wonder Battler forgave her with arms wide open

captcha: tectosy "George!

>>6009170
>denied information the distorts the overall picture
Get your facts straight. Either Bern is lying and thus capable of showing illusions, or they are murderers. Their motives is good thing, but they are cold-blooded murderers nonetheless then.

>>6009194
she doesn't even appear until the end of the party. All the people there are Ange, Leon and Claire dying.
No game was made with the Gamemaster not appearing at all.

BERN IS TROLLING XD

You guys are fucking retarded, you have no regard for such thing as the cohesion of the narrative or simply shit making sense.

It was the fucking next to last episode, the only shit left worth talking about are from Kyrie and Rudolf's stories, you guys should see where this is going easily.

>>6009209
>I've completely missed the point of Umineko! Isn't this like Higurashi? Where is my good end where no one does anything bad bawwwwwwwwwww

>>6009187
>It was still red.
Red is context-dependent and she didn't finish her sentence.

>>6009223
>cohesion of the narrative
Bern wastes her time for an entire episode! Cohesive narrative!
>simply shit making sense.
Bern now has the power to make pieces act out of character! Creates a gameboard that doesn't follow any of Beato's rules! Shit making sense.

You're an idiot.

>>6009246
I think that person was agreeing that what Bern was showing was true. Calm down, broski.

>>6009218
It was said that she was sitting there, just making herself invisible, she can be seen only if she herself allowed it.

>>6009224
How is it related to my post, /a/ retard? And R07 promised bittersweet ending.

>>6009246
Who said the whole game was a waste of time?
The whole deal with Will's investigations and Yasu's backstory may be as well true.

Now, the Tea Party... no, I don't think so.

>>6009253
She was sitting in the audience, not onstage.

>Bern wastes her time for an entire episode!
crushes Ange
seals the happy ending of Beato
she didn't master the game so truth could be crueler and inescapeble than any kakera she could have thought
>wastes her time

>Bern now has the power to make pieces act out of character! Creates a gameboard that doesn't follow any of Beato's rules!
Beato is dead. The only one keeping it going like her old ones in 5-6 was Battler, and even then they were highly irregular with retroactive and Erika shit.
Kyrie didn't act a bit out of character. Mainly because we weren't shown much of her character before, but the little we did get shown didn't really clash with this version.
She even said she would've killed Asumu herself (and probably did).

Did you even pay attention?

>>6009265
The Tea Party was the culmination/payoff of everything with Will and Yasu. It was the entire core of Bern's goal and why she made Will go through all the Yasu/Beatrice shit to begin with.

>>6009223
Except nobody fucking cares about their back stories. The game isn't about them. Them being the culprits is the most inconsistent narration and surely makes ton of a sense.

>>6009282
Ange cares about this, probably much more than the whole Beatrice bullshit.
Last episode is dedicated to Ange.

>>6009276
Yes, but dude, that doesn't mean she got everything right.

Now, I'm not saying the whole thing was a lie. But at the same, there's simply no way to prove things went that way. Even Bern's Red is doubtable.

That's all I'm saying. If you want to take it as truth, be my guest. It may as well be, but please don't go around forcing that idea on others just because it makes sense to you.

>>6009282

They are Ange and Battler parents. Is fun. What more do you need?


If the game needs to be about the killers, then...should Battler be the killer? Is what you want?

>>6009295
And how exactly will it clear away the "truth" that they are murderers and Kyrie never even once thought about her as cute, she was just a clamp for Rudolf for her?

>>6009306
Kyrie hates both Battler and Ange. Showed to us by our most reliable Bernkastel. Rudolf cares a little about Battler, but will kill him, if he can't convince him to go along their plan.

>>6009319
Backstory, love being the synonym for motive, etc...

>>6009319
Some people have already attempted to answer this.
She may have told that to Eva, so that she takes pity on Ange.
Had she told Eva to take her of Ange, she may have neglected her since Rudolph and Kyrie killed her husband and son.
Basically, reverse psychology.

>>6009342
We were shown Kyrie said that, yes, but we don't know what she was thinking at the time.

>>6009342
>Rudolf cares a little about Battler, but will kill him
He said that only to appease Kyrie, he was pretty damn sure he would have convinced him. Guess what he could've used to convince him, that would also make him make Kyrie promise to never said he wasn't his child?

>>6009344

>>6009346
>>6009360
That still leaves the murders part.

>>6009365
No, he thought already at the chapel, that if he can't convince him, he needs to kill him.
Convince Battler to forget about the murders of his all family? I have no clue.

>That still leaves the murders part.

Oh seriously, who cares about a few Ushiromiyas being killed?
Is Ange being loved or not what we are talking about here. Ange! who doesn't love Ange?

ep8- Kyrie was raised very strictly by Sumadera to steal Ushiromiya's gold, she actually falls in love with Rudolph, Asumu was a whore, Rudolph lives with the guilt of having switched her baby with Asumu's stilldead, marries Kyrie soon after because he felt he had to mke up for it.
Something like Rosa spiking the tea backfires and they shoot each other. No bad guys, just a lot of issues and a device that makes them end badly.

the shit basically writes itself

>>6009398
I know, my point simply was directed towards whether or not she loved Ange.

As for the murders, honestly, I don't know, something seems off. I'm not saying Kyrie and Rudolph wouldn't kill people. But the whole deal is hard for me to swallow without thinking something is fishy about this, from Yasu's motives to the whole event.

>>6009419
>Yasu's motives
Yasu didn't give her motives.

>>6009438
I know, I meant, what it'd seem we're lead to believe her motives are.

I'm suddenly remembering how the anime, which cut out everything it could, decided to include the scene in EP2 where Rudolf overhears George practicing his proposal to Shannon in the bathroom.

Why has this not been posted yet?

>>6009539
Shannon ain't so skinny herself.

>>6009557
That's because of all the padding he has to wear for breasts and a nice looking waist.

>>6009417
It's actually not that hard to come up with a semi-decent and sympathetic motive behind Kyrie, especially when you consider how her family is fucked up and ordered Kasumi killed in EP6.

>>6009417
>>6009585
I think this can actually happen, except for the Asumu being a bitch, since I think EP6 and EP7 have made it sort of clear she's not the whore Kyrie makes her out to be.

>>6007827
Shannon's wearing a dress to hide her PENIS.

>>6009619
Not backed in red, could be penis was removed

>>6009585
Understandable, yes.
Sympathetic? Fucking no, it's impossible at this point.
Except if you believe that Rokkenjima houses some parasites that make people go crazy.

>>6007538
It's because HE'S FAT!!!!!!!

>>6009626
So you still need the RED to connect the dots?
How pathetic. ahaha.wav

In Umineko, the men are the women and the women are the men. That explains why the women are the one to carry out all the action.

>>6009676
This as proved early on. Battler was the biggest DID I've seen in my whole life.
Despite everything, Ryu's comments are quite mysoginistic 'the place of the women is the kitchen'/'the man should never enter in the kitchen' quite a few times.

>>6009695
DID or INCOMPETENT?

>>6009695
I reiterate. Ryu wants a cackling waifu cooking for him.

>>6009719
But Beato has a penis.

>>6009645

I'll agree that it's virtually impossible to justify the murders of the cousins but really the adults did set themselves to be killed

>>6009695
...but those aren't Ryu's comments. They are the comments of the Ushiromiya family, which is purposely written to be very mysoginistic.

What? So people are still thinking that Erika did not exist in episode 6?
It actually does make sense, with Battler being the GM and Shkanon confirmed.
Episode 6 was actually a game full of love, where the adults don't kill themselves for gold, Battler remembers his old love and Jessica goes for hers.

Heck, for all the Wright's replies of episode 7, Eva could have killed half of the adults in episode 3 in panic. R07 inserted lolmagic where the lies are, but every character there has its own meaning.

>>6010241
yeah, we have mysoginistic Kinzo and ultra feminist Kyrie to balance things. Fuck that bitch.

>>6010262
Where exactly is Shkannon confirmed?

>>6010275
Whole episode 7. From the beginning to the end.

>>6010271
>ultra feminist Kyrie

Huh? what makes Kyrie a femenists?

>>6010275
LOLLOGICERRORSHANNON
Don't go on this again, it will create a shitstorm, again. People on /jp/ don't know the difference between hinted n confirmed.

>>6010350
I guess her speech about how children are only clamps to hold a husband in place and useless otherwise. Now that her husband is dead, she no longer cares about Ange and can start a new life with a lots of money. Maybe even find a new love.

>>6010373
Let's forget about Shannon-Beato conversation and Will's explanations of the twilights. Oh, you can't forget it, because you didn't read it.

>The name Yasu is a pun from the old Famicom game http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portopia_Renzoku_Satsujin_Jiken....the culprit in this game was also a person named "Yasu".
>The original game was a PC-8801 game, but was later ported over to the Famicom (NES in your country) which became a big hit in Japan. Ask any Japanese person of my age and they'll know the phrase 犯人はヤス (the culprit is Yasu).
It's like Ryu is really laughing at us.

Shkanon was never confirmed, we never even see Claire creating Kanon.
There was a theory a while back that there's two Kanons, one actual servant and the little-brother delusion Shannon sees when they're alone.

>>6012177

ouch Kyrie. You know just the right words to get Eva raging...

>>6012177
Poor Ange, i feel real bad for EP3 Eva now. I

>>6012310
We see Clair create Kanon, she says she will give Shannon a brother.
And Kanon is confirmed illusion who can't leave a corpse, it's not rocket science.