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You guys are trying too hard.

Battler is a fucking moron. Just accept it.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious he planned it to just about anyone besides the people who are desperate to find any excuse possible to call R07's writing shitty.

Yeah right, that's as likely as Shanon and Kanon being the same person

Were Knox and Featherinne just speakers for the R07 basically saying that all you faggots who just read the books and don't think about anything can go to hell? Because that's what I got out of it.. At least Dlanor had some good expression faces going though.

>>5922337
so freaking crowded man

hello

>>5922972
Nah I'm sure hes fine with people reading it for just mindless entertainment, I think he was more lashing out at people who bitch and moan about everything. The one negative aspect of the umineko fanbase has been how fucking crazy people get when they pick a side in the current debate.

There was fucking rage when it was Anti-Mystery vs Anti-Fantasy and now theres fucking rage for ShKanon vs NonShkanon. He's probably just tired of people jumping on their high horse and parading their "truth".

>>5923542
Personally it felt like he was just angry at people who were denying the obvious.
And people who only read Umineko for the trolling, Higurashi references or following a crowd.

>>5923542
I'm pretty sure everyone wants to be a detective that wears cute dress and have Bern as master.

>>5923558
>And people who only read Umineko for the trolling, Higurashi references or following a crowd.

When your last mistery story ended in brain parasites, you can't expect people to try and solve your puzzle or even worse, berate them for not doing it.

>6
Old news.

>>5922972
That's pretty much exactly what it was.

>>brain parasites

Sure why not

>>5922972
That's what I get from it.
>Readers: shkannon shkannon shkannon its so obvious that it's the only answer
>R07: Oh look, they stopped thinking again.

Chess analogies until the end:
Real number of people (without Erika) is 16.
The King (Battler, the detective)
The Queen (the culprit)
The Knights, Rooks and Bishops (the accomplices/people trying to achieve something with this crime)
The Pawns (the eight genuine victims)

Now figure the positions of the pieces.

>>5923622
More like
>Shkanon Shkanon it's so obvious it can't be true can't wait for epic troll end with pony and dine

>>5923622
Sure, that's why he made an entire episode calling it a 'confession' (remember that he said that it should already be solvable by episodes 4 and 5) which consists pretty much only of Shkanontrice symbolism.

>>5923627
Pawns:
George, Kyrie, Jessica, Rosa, Nanjo, Shkanon, Genji, Kumasawa

Knights, Rooks, Bishops:
Maria, Krauss, Eva, Rudolf, Kumasawa, Hideyoshi

Queen:
Natsuhi

>>5923640
>>Shkannon being the only confession of ep6
>>Believing in the text on the title screen
>>Ryukishi wanting to give a clear answer

>>5923645
But... Natsuhi is pure!

>>5923667
Ryukishi DIDN'T give a clear answer. Which is why we still have the "herp red herring" crowd.

>>5923667
>I’m aiming to release the answers in a way that will make those who have reached the right conclusion know that they got it right, and yet give only a hint to those who don’t yet understand the answer.
>For example, if we presume that the answer to a riddle was “apple”, then when we turn the page and see “something round and red”, people who thought the answer was apple will think “ah, just what I thought” and have their reasoning confirmed. And for people who didn’t know, it becomes a hint: “What is red and round?” This is the approach I am aiming for.

King = Shannon
Queen = Beatrice
Knight = Kanon
The analogies are obvious at the end of episode 6.
And you just have to look at their powers, Shannon has a multi-lateral shield, like a king who can move by 1 in every ways.
She is also the key to ShKanontrice.

Kanon is the knight, his power also make it obvious. And he keep saying that his duty is to look over Shannon aka the king.

Beatrice is the queen, she can move everywhere as she wishes and is the most powerful piece.

>>5923679
Sure, if for you clear answer mean red text, he didn't. But thinking like this is quite stupid.

>>5923689
Battler is described as King many times.

>>5923687
this is why it's stupid, there's lots of things that people could cram into the definition of "being red and round".

>>5923700
I don't think Battler can become a queen or Knight.
Look at the tea party of episode 6 again

>>5923689
Beatrice = Id
Shannon = Ego
Kanon = Super-ego

Haters gonna hate

>>5923712
But this is not chess.

They even go to the point of "this seems like chess, but is not".

And Battler is described as King many times in EP4, EP5 and EP6, so you're only making stuff right now.

>>5923707
Being "round and red" was only one of the hints.
HURR

>>5923687

This will backfire retardedly and he'll have to actually explain it fully in the ova/8th episode

In episode 4, during the sin scene, Beato went so far as to imply that Kyrie and Jessica acted as bishops with those phone calls.

>>5923707
>>5923740
>Shkanonfags will make you believe that it's possible by Ryukishi being a terrible writer
>Anti-Shkanonfags will make you believe that it's not possible by Ryukishi being a terrible writer
???

>>5923724
"Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece. So the placement of the pieces... From then on, the witches' game begins. And so Bernkastel slowly raised up
Beato's piece."


Get over yourself

>For example, I looked up absinthe shortly after the release of EP1, and read on with the thought that ‘wormwood’ in the language of flowers means ‘to be absent’ and might be hinting at Kinzo’s death. Then later on, his death was proclaimed with the red text in EP4. I get the feeling that many more foreshadowings like this are hidden throughout the game.
If all the fundamental hints are like this, I give up.

>>5923796
That's a pretty stupid foreshadowing. In episode 1 Eva accuses Natsuhi of hiding Kinzo's death and waiting until he is legally dead because he's missing, but she says it in the context of accusing Natsuhi of having just killed Kinzo. But this is exactly what Natsuhi and Krauss are planning to do.
Also in episode 1 Kyrie decides that there absolutely can't be a 19th person. Not until episode 3 is this confirmed.

Episode 2:
"Will there be any problems with Father?"
"No....Genji and Doctor Nanjo are on our side, .... I'll never allow those greedy siblings to meet Father."

Krauss says that, but there's no evidence of Genji/Nanjo actually helping Krauss avoid bringing Kinzo out, and Krauss actually is shown trying to get Kinzo out.

The contradiction could have lead your reasoning to it.

>>5923796
And of course, the fact that Battler has never seen Kinzo for 4 entire games and that his corpse is always burned.

>>5923868
Red herring.

>>5923874
How is it a red herring?

>>5923875
Kinzo is actually alive. Ryukishi throws you a little red herring and you stop thinking?

>>5923884
I'm talking about the Ushiromiya Kinzo that is at least 50 years old, you know.

>>5923689
Except promotion of pawns doesn't work this way. You can't change the piece once you have decided what a pawn will become.

>>5923889
More like at least 79 years old and yes he's still alive. Ryukishi trolled you big time.

>>5923889
50? Try 80.

>>5923900
Except a pawn can go to a bishop as well but R07 never mentions that? He even says the piece can become a king. Stop taking his analogy so literally.

"It was sometimes a king, sometimes a queen, and could become a knight.

.....However, that was only if it got promoted. Until then, it was only a trash piece, like a pawn."

>>5923889
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>5923889
50? Krauss is at least 50.

Kinzo is actually 20 years old.
You wouldn't put it past him.

>>5923903
>>5923905
>>5923916
Right, but I'm sure that Kanon isn't that old.

>>5923920
We're talking about Kinzo, not Kanon. Old man Kinzo, he's still alive. Do you believe red a witch tells you, when Battler has never seen proof he's dead? He even confirms his corpse with golden truth which is more like lying truth.

>>5923935
>He even confirms his corpse with golden truth which is more like lying truth.
Right! So what he really meant is something like "This Ushiromiya Kinzo is like a corpse of his former self" or something like that, right?

>>5923911
I take it that in different games piece of Beatrice can act different roles, not change them after every 5 minutes. Bern made her act a black queen in her game. She was a queen in 5th game too, while Natsuhi was a king.

>>5923918

>>5924020
I wouldn't put this past Kinzo

In ep7, we will receive the plot twist that all red text is not actually true, and that it is instead the white text in non-magic scenes that's all true.

kinda sound like some I pulled it out of my ass logic, pic somewhat related

>>5921891

You forgot Lambda berating him for hoping on a card change, a random element, for his worthless cards to torn into a Royal Flush. Beato recovered her memories and they demolished Erika in that closed room just as he predicted.

In ep7, we will see everyone enjoying dinner on the first night and out of nowhere Kinzo will blast into the dining room, spank Natsuhi and Shanon and then call Battler a fag. Promptly after Kinzo will exit and later be found burnt.

Kinzo is Schrodinger's seacat.