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Umineko is boring, the characters are 2-dimensional and unrealistic, and the whole thing is poorly executed.

Not trolling

Umineko - a tale of revenge, of redemption and retribution

>>5602503

>Umineko is boring

ADHD detected

>the characters are 2-dimensional

You can't obviously have 3 dimensions on computer screen

>unrealistic

So you would be calm when you whole family is killed around you again and again?

>whole thing is poorly executed

Show me something better

>>5602530
bad boy. you don't talk with trolls.

>>5602530
autism detected

>>5602539

Better being autistic than being YOU

>opinion
>No trolling

Umineko is mostly poorly written.

The only thing that saves Umineko is its fantastic music. R07 is fairly good at writing action scenes to go along with these.

It isn't so much the contents of the scenes or the plot that is bad, it is just the way R07 tells the story that is rubbish.

The primary thing he could do would be to stop switching perspectives so often. Especially in a "mystery" (very dubious with Umineko), it's important to have a consistent viewpoint, instead of swapping between characters like they are CCTV security cameras.

It's still a good VN. But R07 has a lot of room to improve as a writer.

>>5602541
you're right, I have a shitty life.

You can enjoy your good life, I'll enjoy my autism detection skills. Stupid autistic summerfag.

>>5602530
>>Show me something better
Is it even hard?
I don't think Umineko is too terrible but I wouldn't even put it near my top 10.
Heck if you want something from the same author, Higurashi is better in pretty much every areas except music.

>>5602542
>But R07 has a lot of room to improve as a writer.
The funny thing is that Umineko is a huge step back from Higurashi.

I'm curious how good his scenario in Rewrite will be.

>>5602546

>Stupid autistic summerfag.

I am not summerfag. I guess it's kind of fad to call others like that ...

>Things are looking good right now. I can say that we're very close to a release, but nothing before the weekend, at least.

<good.>

>>5602555

I have not finished Higurashi, but from what I have read, that is because Higurashi has less characters and the narrative is easier to follow. He doesn't do this shit that he does in Umineko with constantly introducing more characters.

Also, if the scenario he wrote for "Ookamikakushi" is any indicator... well, I'm not looking forward to it very much.

>>5602559
you think adhd is easy anon well its not okay??
plz dont say more bad words ;_;

>>5602542
>The primary thing he could do would be to stop switching perspectives so often. Especially in a "mystery" (very dubious with Umineko), it's important to have a consistent viewpoint, instead of swapping between characters like they are CCTV security cameras.
This would be a legitimate complaint if Umineko were a regular mystery instead of romantic fantasy fiction with a murder mystery thrown in as a plot device. He's just deliberately making things more confusing for the (debatable) fun of it.

Why Higurashi is better:
It actually make you care for the characters, even the side characters are interesting and well developed.

There is some true suspense, you read it because you really want to know what will happen next rather than just wondering how fucking stupid the next scene will be like in Umineko.

The plot doesn't try to be as "big" as Umineko yet achieve much more, Ryukishi got too much ambition for Umineko and failed.

>>5602548

>Higurashi is better in pretty much every areas except music.

I play Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (finished 1st episode, currently on 2nd, i'll resume playing soon).

In my opinion, it's done very poorly. Scenes about "after class games" run along whole episode 1 and dialogues are nothing to be proud of.


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>>5602580

>>5602580
No, I fucking mean it.

Get the fuck out.

>>5602586
>>5602591
How about you get the fuck out? Higurashi is a boring slice-of-life shit.

>>5602586
>>5602591

You mad? Enjoy your parasites.

>>5602604
You mean haremshit.

haters gonna hate

Higurashi has better characters, a less retarded plot (in b4 brain parasites, I could make a list of stupid shit like this in Umineko and I would never finish because there's too much), and better writing.

Spoiler tags, EP 6
Please use them.

Spoiler tags actually used to be used quite correct and frequently in the past.

>>5602632

> I could make a list of stupid shit like this in Umineko and I would never finish because there's too much

Like what? I would like to see example. You can have meta worlds even in real life. This goes also for "Groundhog Day" syndrome.

>>5602632
>better characters
See: slice-of-life harem shit, centered around immature dumb lolis.
>less retarded plot
No, not really. And you can't make a list of stupid shit in Umineko, until you know the solution.

>>5602649
Not this guy but:
DID meido, pretty much the summit of retardation.
People acting like utters retards just to allow the murders to happen, happen constantly.
Shit motives you wouldn't find in a shitty fanfiction

But of course deluded retards will go DID MEIDO ISN'T TRUE EVEN IF R07 HAS BEEN BASHING OUR HEADS WITH IT AGAIN AND AGAIN because that's their job to be as retarded as they can.

Can't fucking wait for episode 7 just to see the reactions of these fags, hopefully they will be so butthurt that they will all go back to the shit places like gamefaqs/animesuki where they belong.

>>5602687

>DID meido, pretty much the summit of retardation.

It's not really that unrealistic

>http://psychiatry.jwatch.org/cgi/content/citation/1998/201/5
>Early Abuse Linked to Dissociative Identity Disorder in Murderers

>People acting like utters retards just to allow the murders to happen, happen constantly.

I don't know what you mean by "allowing" murder if they have no idea about murderous intent beforehand oh wai.

>>5602687
>DID meido, pretty much the summit of retardation.
Still not definitive and even if it is, there's no way to know to which extent. Calling it DID is incorrect anyway since if she's Beatrice, she's completely aware of it and actually manufactured her.
>People acting like utters retards just to allow the murders to happen, happen constantly.
Give one example just so I'll understand what the hell you're even trying to say. They pretty rarely just run headlong to get killed, and even then, how can you know they're not manipulated or in on it?
>Shit motives you wouldn't find in a shitty fanfiction
Oh good, if you've found at least one definite motive, you'd better share it. Thus far all the possible ones I've figured are love and money, and they're both pretty common albeit boring.

Feeding because the show must go on

>>5602717
The DID meido is unrealistic since it means she can crossdress so fucking well that nobody except her 2-3 accomplices realize it.
Even people who saw her since she was a child.
It's fucking stupid.

>>5602749

>implying Shkanon is confirmed

>>5602774
It is if you got any reading comprehension.

>>5602749

>The DID meido is unrealistic since it means she can crossdress so fucking well that nobody except her 2-3 accomplices realize it.

If you are trained well in something, in this case, crossdressing, you can be mistaken for another person. I have personal experience in this.

>>5602794
With people who don't know you, maybe.
Anything else is completely contrived and fucking retarded.

>>5602781

You mean because you don't know what else to think and its so obvious it is therefore confirmed

>>5602803

I hate the Shkanon crap as much as the next person, but the family only goes there once a year. Natushi and Krauss are both fucking idiots, the rest of the servants just deal with it and Jessica might be an accomplice. It's stupid, but it can be explained.

>>5602803

>With people who don't know you, maybe.

I got misunderstood for another person of opposite sex many times. It's not easy to pretend to be another person, but it can't be that difficult if you learn and think through certain things. But this is OT, so i won't go into details about it here.

While general /jp/ condition is pitiful, obsessed uminekofags getting bashed makes me hopeful. This shit is the same as Doctor Who to /tv/ or House of Leaves to /lit/ - overhyped mediocrity praised by a few auspies.

ShKanon as the big plot device that allow the murders, and that's what Umineko is shaping to be, is just really fucking stupid.

It's something even a crappy mystery wouldn't use these day, it's not even a question of whether something like this is plausible or not, it's just a question of respecting the readers.

I guess I can understand the guys who delude themselves into thinking that it isn't true even after all the clues and foreshadowing and an entire fucking episode focused on this.
But the higher the expectations, the higher the fall.

Hint: it's red and sweet.
Fandom: IT HAS GOT TO BE A CHERRY, NO ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.
Answer: haha no, it was actually an apple.

ITT Op doesn't want trolls, but since he can't manage to get a discussion he trolls whoever replies, hoping to achive a succesfull thread.

Op won't get a serious umineko thread until a next chapter is released, and gotta accpet this.

Hey, uh, could we get an Umineko hint thread going instead?

3. There must be no love interest. The business in hand is to bring a criminal to the bar of justice, not to bring a lovelorn couple to the hymeneal altar.

11. A servant must not be chosen by the author as the culprit. This is begging a noble question. It is a too easy solution. The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

>>5602879
>implying we are not just trolling ourselves waiting for the next episode

>>5602895
You are just a retard who can't think of any alternative so you go R07 WILL SHOW SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS FAR MORE AWESOME EVEN IF I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
Fucking idiot, where the fuck do this belief in him come from?

>>5602917
Nobody is trolling there, calling something for what is it, mediocre, isn't trolling.

>>5602910
Can't fucking wait.

>>5602931

derp derp derp derp

>>5602931
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>5602909
Please?

>>5602963
Maybe you'll just start if you want one so much.

>>5602910

>The culprit must be a decidedly worth-while person — one that wouldn't ordinarily come under suspicion.

Kyrie as culprit confirmed

>>5602963
>>5602973

And post the link, riiiiiight?

>>5602975
You mean Kumasawa

>>5602973
I don't really have much at all. I was gonna replay all the way from EP1 but I have a feeling EP6 would be done while im in the middle of it so my OCD tendencies would keep me from starting it until I re-finish EP5.

So I was just hoping for some hint caps/screenshots.

>>5602999

Gohda is faggot for intentionally destroying Maria's rose ;_;

Umineko is getting more and more retarded.
Episode 1 was still good, a decent mystery.
2 was decent, but nothing too interesting.
3 was the best, good balance between meta world and real happenings, awesome ending.
4, 5 and 6 focus more and more on the meta world, ignoring the real world, introduce far too many new characters and stupid shit.

Also Red Text is the most stupid idea in every work ever.
Rather than encouraging you to think, it just restricts your theories, which is why we only have 2 or 3 of them that are bend to somehow fit the Red text and don't make much sense overall.

Right now, all Umineko has going for it is the music.

>>5602999

Personally, i'll start playing from EP1 when EP8- Farewell of the Golden Witch will be close to completion

http://tessatheslut.com?id=s55ljgavpi9razfd4o2w0eo3qsxpd1

>>5603021
>Episode 2 was decent.
Wow. Whenever I see someone bring up Ep2 everyone usually calls it shit and brings out torches.

>>5603028
Might as well do that myself, I guess.

>>5603032

At least Rosa was confirmed as good mother at the end oh wai

Rosa has a bottle of sedatives which is happened to be empty.

Hey guys, sorry to interrupt your trolling, but I just have a quick question.

I'm currently in the process of reading episode 5, and how does the Shkanon-fags explain the fact that both Shannon and Kanon appear together frequently?

Is it because Lambda is controlling the gameboard, or because Bern is controlling Battler?

>>5603057

/r/ Ange diarrhoea

>>5603060
How do you explain the fact that Erika talks in red in the fucking gameboard and that Battler sees Kinzo?
Yeah

>>5603032
Second half of it was awesome. First half is boring.

>>5603060
Finish it first. You'll probably see it in the end of the episode.

>>5603074
Alright

>>5603057
Oh, cool. Thanks!

>>5603060
>>5603069

>I'm currently in the process of reading episode 5, and how does the Shkanon-fags explain the fact that both Shannon and Kanon appear together frequently?

>How do you explain the fact that Erika talks in red in the fucking gameboard and that Battler sees Kinzo?

Optical illusions and records on VHS casette (remember Kinzo killing family in EP4)

Still fappin'

>>5603089

VHS? Non-sense.

>>5603068

>>5603100

>Walls of text

Reminds me of some visual novel

>>5603101

There were VHS players in 1986. It was expensive, but Ushiromiya's are rich family. Do you see problem in that? Also whole mansion is rigged with troll mechanisms, no problem with such small thing.

>>5603131
I would hope so. You read them for the pictures?

>>5603167

Actually not, you sound mad, why so?

Remember a couple of years ago, when ALL of /jp/ used to love Umineko?

Good times.

Meh, I still say wait for episode 7 before you completely condemn Shkanon.

There's another element to this, Jessica's involvement or lack thereof for one, how Gerorge fits in..... thing about crazy people is that there is usually someone more sane behind them.

>>5603171
Mad? I was just bewildered over what kind of a visual novel doesn't have walls of text. Except something like OMGWTFOTL maybe.

>>5603174
When it wasn't a ridiculous contrived piece of shit like it is now and people genuinely expected a good plot with a great amount of bricks?

Yeah I do, well it wasn't really love though, more like there wasn't much alternative.

>>5603174

>Remember a couple of years ago, when ALL of /jp/ used to love Umineko?

Without love, truth cannot be seen. So that's why any of you can't come with any conclusive solution.

>>5603174
...Nope, not really.
Though the t'fans' were less vocal and defensive, thus less 'hate' posts in response.
But less people screaming 'it sucks'=! everyone loving it

>>5603162

It sure is a valid theory, but it's such a low trick that I don't want it to be true. I want something more spectacular and less Battler (if you know what I mean).

>>5603190
Well, Genji and Jessica have that special omission in Red Text, perhaps Genji was Kinzo the whole time?

>>5603109
my view of Battler changed the day i read EP5

Don't put ep6 spoilers without the fucking spoiler tag. Seriously.

>>5603210
Go back to gamefaqs, seriously.

>>5603182

>Mad? I was just bewildered over what kind of a visual novel doesn't have walls of text. Except something like OMGWTFOTL maybe.

>Walls of text

Meaning whole screen is usually filled with words/text, instead of somehow dividing it into more screens. It's not like i find it a problem. I just pointed it out.

>>5603216

Spoilers: nobody cares

>>5603057
i don't know sedatives for children exist in real life.

I just really am wondering how the hell Ryukushi is going to make Sayo a sympathetic villain. Even if she gets the cliched Kinzo rape as backstory(which wouldn't make a whole bunch of sense, come to think of it), she had Jessica and George from the beginning. It's not like she lived in total isolation or something.

It is obvious that Ryukushi is pushing Beato to be noble, but if she, or at least the human she is based off of, is a murderer to the extent that we've seen, I find it difficult at best to feel for her

>>5603213
"hey look, I'm so superior cuz i can read shits in Japanese". Fuck you, everybody have the right to debate theories with the English eps only.

>>5603174
It's not elitist enough now.

>>5603190

>less Battler (if you know what I mean).

Small bombs etc hmm?

Funny fact: Small bombs actually exist IRL, these are squibs and are can be quite easily "installed" into food.

In before "prove it" etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib_(explosive)

>>5603216
Okay.

>>5603226
Of course they do, not very difficult to imagine in that time period. Also antihistamines come to mind.

>>5603245
I don't really see any ep6 spoilers. And if you really want to avoid them, don't read the threads at all.

>>5603252
Well, red truth denied those, so I hope they deny the VHS video too.

>>5603244
Ryukishi: It’s said that the three parts of reasoning are “Who dun it”, “How dun it”, and “Why dun it”. ‘Who’ and ‘how’ are very difficult to speculate about, but the hardest part is the ‘why’. In most Japanese mystery novels, this last part is often neglected. When the culprit and the trick are discovered, the culprit resigns and confesses about how their misfortune in the past led them to murder. I’ve tried to design Umineko so that you can enjoy the ‘why’ at least a little, so I hope that you do. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that there will be clear hints pointing to the ‘why’. However, judging by EP3 and EP4, Beatrice clearly hopes that Battler will figure it out. She wants a human to figure it out. People posing a riddle do so because they want someone to solve it. In the bus on a school field trip, if one person poses a riddle and his friends say “That’s too hard, I give up. By the way…” and change the subject, wouldn’t the first person feel pretty lonely? They would want to hear “I know, it’s __” or “I don’t know, tell me the answer”. So at the very least, there can be no doubt that Beatrice is posing this riddle because she wants someone to try and solve it, and I hope that you consider what she’s feeling. After all the most perfect crime would be carried out in a forest and never exposed to anyone. What does Beatrice want out of this incident, and why is she doing it?

>>5603252
That's for childs. Even if you could make it blow with the pression of the jaws, you would only make him a little bit of damage. Maybe a little bit of paralisis for a little while, but nothing else.

>>5603226

>i don't know sedatives for children exist in real life.

Here you go

Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch

* Translation: 100% Editing: >60%

Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch

* Translation: 100% Editing: >60%

Episode 6: Dawn of the Golden Witch

* Translation: 100% Editing: >60%

COME OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

>>5603258
is it even legal to use sedatives on children?it is pretty mean.

>>5603280

>That's for childs. Even if you could make it blow with the pression of the jaws, you would only make him a little bit of damage. Maybe a little bit of paralisis for a little while, but nothing else.

What about putting semtex or bit of some other explosives into it and detonate it through radio waves control?

>>5603302
No, that's not plausible. What if the seagulls are carrying nukes?

Fuck the Knox rules

Way too meta. I'll never accept something so god damn meta.

>>5603310
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>5603328

The thing is, they make a big fuss like always that'll make you doubt the knox's rules, even like doubting the red from time to time.

But we all know the Knox's rules are reasonable rules that make a story better.

Like the rule that no over the top machine can be used. It would just suck if that were the case.

I believe in R07 to have enough sense to not write down something so retarded.

Ergo, I just think through common sense that he's using the knox's rules.

>>5603291
true dat

How long you guys reckon the <40% editing will take?

>>5603328
Almost every mystery use them, Umineko is no exception. The only difference is that Umineko actually have a character to remind us about the rules.

>>5603277
That's great, but it doesn't help me feel any better about the fact that Sayo killed six people, stuffed their bodies with candy, wrote a mocking letter toa newly made orphan(who was her best friend), and then quite literally stabbed her in the back. Seriously, Sayo is one unlikeable piece of shit.

>>5603302
You need to make him swallow a radio detonator then. Also Knox's 4th.
And you are clearly told that "When the six were killed in the chapel, the culprit was inside the chapel" so there's not really a use for small bombs.

>>5603310

Maybe TNT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitrotoluene

>What if the seagulls are carrying nukes?

Problem?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/may/21/artsandhumanities.military

>RAF planned kamikaze anthrax pigeon squadron

>>5603358
>>5602563

>>5603365
None of this has happened this way in the real version of the event, that's how she will be excused.

>>5603372
Maybe the culprit was using hand granades? Then he filled the holes in the bodies he blew with candy.

>>5603379

>no seagulls on the island

>>5603389
They are hidden in the other mansion and attack in the night. They act like bats, but they're seagulls.

One of the good things about Umineko: It made me read Christie's, Wright's and Knox's stuff. Christie > Wright = Knox (IMO). Also, I wonder if Ryu07 copied some of the culprit's moves from their works.

>>5603372

Detonators with explosives are already in food. Culprit is hidden. Others are eating. Culprits needs to be close since it wouldnt work otherwise. Culprit show himself/or not ... and press buttan.

>>5603388
Yeah, hand grenades that don't destroy anything else, sure.
Maybe he was using, you know, knife to cut them open after he drugged/killed them?

>>5603406
The setting is already a copypasta from 10 little niggers.
Also, Wright and Knox are uninspiring cookie-cut approaches.
Read some Ellery Queen.

>>5603350
I'd rather he use whatever he wants to make a good story, not following stupid rules just because they exist.

>>5603405

Or maybe they're bats.

>>5603411
# There was no one hiding in the chapel.

>>5603405

>They act like bats, but they're seagulls.

Seagulls doesn't have echolocation.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation

>>5603413
Magical hand grenades. Now seriously, maybe he killed them outside the chapel, put the corpse inside it and fled to another chapel (maybe the one in the hidden mansion). Doesn't go against the red truth, I believe.

>>5603422

Sure enough.

But when he rambles on about the Knox's rules and also makes a damn character based off them. It's hard to imagine any other way~

>>5603436

Maybe just outside of the chapel, watching them from one of the windows?

>>5603418
I will.
Also, if Umineko won't have 10 Little Niggers-style epilogue, I'll be raging. Probably it won't though.

>makes a damn character based off them
Yeeeeah, there is the issue

"She was young, dark-haired, rather good-looking, and had an excellent figure. This latter fact was instantly apparent because—and I had to look twice before I could believe what I saw—she wore a brief, skintight, one-piece bathing suit. Nothing else.
Elinor’s eyes were still on the sprawled shape on the floor.
“Father. He’s—dead?”
Garrett nodded slowly and stood up.
I heard the quick intake of her breath but she made no other sound. Then Garrett strode quickly across to the woman at the table.
“Unconscious,” he said after a moment. “Apparently a blow on the head—but she’s beginning to come out of it.” He looked again at the knife on the floor. “We’ll have to call the police.”
I hardly heard him. I was wondering why the room was so bare. The hall outside and the living room that opened off it were furnished with the stiff, formal ostentation of the overly rich. But Drake’s study, by contrast, was as sparsely furnished as a cell in a Trappist monastery. Except for the desk, the small table, the two chairs, and a three-leaf folding screen that stood in one corner, it
contained no other furniture. There were no pictures on the walls, no papers, and although there were shelves for them, no books. There wasn’t even a blotter or pen on the desk top. Nothing but the phone, desk lamp and, strangely enough, a roll of gummed paper tape."

ONE DAY AFTER GUNDOLF THE WHITE WAS FINISHED WATCHING FRODO KILL THE RING HE DECIDED TO TRAVEL THE KAREKA TO SEE HIS FRIENDS FROM UMINEKO HE SAID " I HOPE I GET THE RIGHT ONE THIS TIME HOHOHOHOHO" THEN HE FOUNDED THE ONE WORE HIS OLD WIZARD SCHOOL FLAME VIRGILIA WAS LIVING FROM HE THEN NOTICED THAT GREAT CHESS GAME OF MURDER WAS GOING ON SO HE DECIDED TO SAY HELLO TO ALL THE WITCHES "HELLO" SAID GANDOLF THE GRAY "I BROUGHT GIFTS FROM MIDDLE EARTH" HE THEN GOTTD HIS ELF WEED LOADED UP BEATRICES PIPE SHE SAID " OHOHOHO WELL WOULD YOU LOOK AT THE TIME" AUTHORS NOTE THE TIME IS 420 BATTLER WUS LIKE I'M STRAIGT EDGE SMOKE OUTSIDE THEN BERNKASTEL AND LAMBDADELTA SHOWED UP AND CACKLED AT THE INCOMPENT STRAIGHT EDGE GUY AND SAID U TOOK STEROIDS INCOMPENT IDORT GUNDOLF SAID " STOP DIS RIGHT NOW THIS GIFT IS MEANT TO HEAL N OT TO HATE" AND HE TOOKD A HIT THEN BERN SAID " HELLO FELLOW SENTATER GO AWAY THIS IS CHESS GAME OF MURDER" GUNDOLF THEN SUMMONED HIS FURNITURE LEGOLAS AND THEN HE SHOTTED ARROWS BUT SIESTA SISTERS SHOT ARROWS OUT OF THE WAY WITH GOLD ARROWS AND THEN TIED HIM UP BUT WHEN THE FINAL GOLD ARROW WAS ABOUT TO HITTED HIM GIMLY HIT THE ARROWS AND SAID " YOU HAVE MY AXE EVEN THOUGH I STRONGLY DISLIKE ELVES I WILL HELP MY DEAR FRIEND CUS IM FURNITURE " BUT HE DECIDED THAT CUS WE WAS A DWARF HE NEEDED SOME DWARF BEER AND THEN RONOVE BROUGHT SOME BEER AND DWARF COOKIES HE SAID "THANK YE KINDLY MATE" AS HE DRANKED SOME GUNDOLF SAID BATTLER WEAR IS MY OLD WIZARD SCHOOL LOVE VIRGILIA THEN HE SAID SHE DIED IN MAGIC FIGHT OF MAGIC LAMBDA SAID CAN U LEAVE NOW GO BACK TO UR ELFS QUIRE OLD MAN THEN MARIA SHOWED UP AND GUNDOLF TAUGHT HER WHITE MAGIC AND SHE BECAME THE WHITE WITCH AND KILLED THE EVIL WITCHES AUTHORS NOTE THIS ISN'T CANON

>>5603507
>>5603561

>>5603711

You should've try Gandalf one.

>>5603481

.... That's how all episodes end, hypothetically. Didn't you finish ep 1?

>>5603561
>AUTHORS NOTE THIS ISN'T CANON
Thank God for that!

>>5603561
...and he whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said FRESH and it had a dice in the mirror.

>>5604081
Back to /b/, please.

>>5603252
>In before "prove it" etc.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squib_(explosive)

It would be hilarious if somebody responded to a demand for proof by posting a wikipedia link. Probably the one of the Siestas, computers are their thing.

>>5603561

>>5603244
>I just really am wondering how the hell Ryukushi is going to make Sayo a sympathetic villain. Even if she gets the cliched Kinzo rape as backstory(which wouldn't make a whole bunch of sense, come to think of it), she had Jessica and George from the beginning. It's not like she lived in total isolation or something.
>It is obvious that Ryukushi is pushing Beato to be noble, but if she, or at least the human she is based off of, is a murderer to the extent that we've seen, I find it difficult at best to feel for her

You're supposed to forgive them anything if they have a vagina. Haven't you learned anything from Type-Moon?

(Men are also to be forgiven anything, but only if they have a badass fight scene with you in front of the fetus of a dark god or some shit like that)

>>5604131
Sure

>They think Shannon/Kanon are culprits
It's one of those cases when I tell you that culprit is KYRIE and keep the screenshot to post 'HAHA TOLD YOU' when the truth is revealed.

>>5603244
Sigh. If, at this point, you really think 'Beatrice' is the one committing the murders... I'm pretty sure every game can be solved without 'Beatrice' killing a single person, except maybe the real killer in some cases.

Well, anyway, speaking of which: I solved Episode 3 earlier this morning, while I was eating a bagel. Would you guys like to hear my solution?

I don't usually like to discuss my theories, but I'm just about 100% positive of this one. It's actually one of the easier games to solve once you approach it the right way... It's pretty much an applied version of the wolves and sheep puzzle we got introduced to in the previous Ep.

>>5604169
Sure.
It's not like a solution that fits is what actually happened.

>>5604169
Go for it.

>>5604169
You are a fucking idiot.

>>5602749
>>5602828

Also, Shannon and Kanon are supposed to be sister and brother, so it stands to reason that they would get away with looking a lot like each other.

The real question is how the fuck can Natsuhi and Krauss not realize they are paying the wages of 5 people to only 4.

>>5604169

No, we don't want to hear anything from you ever again, about any topic. Go away.

>>5604201

Not literally related?

>>5604224

I was under the impression that they were meant to be blood related, not just from the same orphanage.

>>5604201
They aren't brother and sister, it's clearly stated in the game that they aren't.

>>5604241

Yeah, mate, they're not related.

Only came from the same orphanage and share the same "non" in their names.

Is it possible for either Shannon or Kannon being dead before each game starts?

>>5604288
No.
Knox and one of the red text deny it.

Alright then, Episode 3: Get Episodier. Taking events in order...

The First Twilight: Nanjo, on the orders of his accomplices who are currently keeping the debate between the siblings going strong, uses one of the sharp and heavy paperweights from Kinzo's study to kill all of the other servants. He then places the keys to each room in envelopes in a cycle among the rooms to create the closed room circle, and pockets one of the master keys. Probably Kumasawa or Genji's. I forget which room the siblings go to second after finding Shannon.

Regardless, Nanjo is the only person who can conceivably have carried out this crime. With the rest of the servants dead, he's the only person left who can actually differentiate the keys, which we were told in Episode 1 are all unlabeled. He's also one of the only suspects who could have known where Kinzo's corpse was (Krauss and Natsuhi being the others, but I'm removing them from suspicion for reasons to be discussed later). His accomplices MIGHT have helped, since the siblings took a few breaks as the night went on, but it isn't necessary.

Now then, with a master key in his pocket, Nanjo is called in to examine Shannon. He takes the master key in her pocket, leaving him with two. Being the only person who can recognize the keys, he tells the siblings where the key in the envelope is leading them, and stays behind, saying he wants to examine Shannon a bit longer. When the siblings leave to go to the next room, Nanjo slips out and makes his way to one of the other rooms, using the master key to let himself in, and puts the extra master key in the victim's pocket. He uses Shannon's key to lock the room back up, and catches up with the siblings.

By this method, the red is not violated, because all the keys pertaining to the closed rooms are all indeed locked inside those rooms. Just not at the same time... This differs from Battler's theory slightly, since his blue theory as it was stated, would be beaten by the red.

>>5604295
Which knox rule and which red text?

>>5604304
I'm not here to spoonfeed you.

>>5604315
If you can't disprove it then my statement is the truth!

>>5603244
Have you forgot about Takano Miyo?

>>5604301
Except that Nanjo clearly stayed with the parent group, the only ones who who separated themselves were Rosa and Kyrie

Kanon and Shanon would make an obvious case of DID but it is probably just R07 trollin' us. Episode 6 gave Shkanon fans way too much. Anyways, we all know Kinzo is going to be seen at the end of episode 7 with a jersey that has 34 on the back.

>>5604365
IT'S JUST A TROLL, R07 IS SO SMART AND SEXY.
I fucking hate fags like you.

>>5604301
Moving on... Battler mentioned at some point in Episode 2 or 3 (I forget which) that the 'Wolves and Sheep' puzzle on Rokkenjima is a little different from the one in the book, since the wolves can attack even if the numbers are even.

Bearing that in mind, we can state that neither Eva nor Rosa is a wolf, since if either of them were, the other would have been left dead in the vault when they found the gold. By this line of reasoning, even though Eva did sneak out to talk to Rosa in the garden, Rosa would still have been alive when they parted.

After Eva left, however, the big bad wolf came to visit... in the form of Rudolph. Rudolph was told by Kyrie that Eva and Rosa had most likely solved the Epitaph. Kyrie was close, but she couldn't solve it on her own without insider knowledge of Kinzo's life, so she gave the siblings enough hints to solve it on their own. After having Nanjo kill off the servants to isolate the family, she also left a letter warning them to solve the Epitaph.

Rudolph was sent out to interrogate Rosa about the gold, but she wouldn't talk, or maybe she fought back. She was disarmed quickly, and fell onto the fence spike. Rudolph, in his panic to cover his tracks, strangled Maria and then ran back to the guesthouse to tell everyone he found them dead.

Second Twilight: done. Wolves: Rudolph, Kyrie, Nanjo.

YOU ARE ALL FAGGOTS

>>5604356
Are you sure about that? That scene was mostly synopsized. Regardless, Kyrie is a suspect too, so Nanjo could have just given the extra key to her.

>>5604384
You can stop with your wall of text, it's been shown to be unrealizable since the beginning after all.

>>5604398
I'm sure, Nanjo didn't stray from the group at all, Rosa and Kyrie stayed in the house with the children to watch over them.

>>5604369
I agree on that ShKanon is too much implied, but wouldn't it be fucking awesome if the whole Wright character was about destroying or confirming the ridiculous theories? For example, "The servant can't be a culprit" rules out ShKanon right away.

Also, if the woman is the actual Beatrice, remove two pieces of Erika and Kanon and she's there - her existence was very much implied in the beginning. It would be like "It was there as the first thing - why did you not want to believe, dear reader?"

>>5604369
I never said R07 was smart. I said it was too obvious. Now, shut your retarded mouth and the next time you post make sure you leave out your assumptions.

>>5604412
You are implying that R07 is smarter than everyone for creating a mystery that almost nobody could solve, fucking idiot.
It's been 6 episodes, it's fucking normal that the mystery is finally getting solved.

Oh and for the other idiot above, the mysterious person x has been denied so fucking many time that I can't believe some people still think it's possible, fucking retards everywhere.

>>5604439
It's not "a mysterious person X".

It is Kinzo's misstress, Beatrice, who is said to live on the island. She was discussed way after "There is no more than 18 people".

>>5604463
I'm not one for shitty meme but the first thing that came to my mind when I read your post was "fucking autism".
Seriously, grow a brain or something.

>>5604384
I should point out that Maria is not really a factor in the wolves and sheep calculation, since she is too small and weak to take much action to defend herself or harm others.

On to the third... Since Eva is sick she can't be convinced to leave the mansion, so Kyrie instead decides to isolate Hideyoshi next. During the search for Rosa and Maria, Kyrie found a cigarette butt in Eva's room, so she knows Eva left and had Hideyoshi cover for her.

So, she proposes that a group make a run on the mansion for food, and as hoped fat boy Hideyoshi is all over that idea. Once they reach the mansion, she and Rudolph threaten Hideyoshi about Eva's absence and try to coerce him to telling them where the gold is. Hideyoshi resists, and bullets start flying. Rudolph and Hideyoshi are killed, and Kyrie is shot as well, but she lives (for the time being).

Third Twilight: done. Remaining wolves: Kyrie, Nanjo.

>>5604469
I know, right?
I have like half the syndromes.

>>5604389

/thread?

>>5604470
Moving on... Nanjo examines the victims of the third twilight, and reports Kyrie as dead along with the others. Everyone moves back to the guesthouse and settles in.

At around this time, George gets it in his head that he needs to go see Shannon's corpse. He sets his cup of coffee on the floor, and jumps out the second story window. Nanjo hears him go, picks up the coffee cup and locks the window back up.

As he's shutting the window, he sees Kyrie making her way back to the guesthouse, or else she signals him in his room in some way (tossing pebbles at his window perhaps). He goes downstairs and lets her in while Eva is in the bathroom. The two of them strangle Krauss and Natsuhi, who are sitting on the couch dozing off. The bodies are quickly dragged to the arbor, and Nanjo goes back into his room. He tells Kyrie about George heading to the mansion before he parts with her.

>>5604517
Nah. Rewatch E4 OP again.

Pay attention to THE HEART.

>>5604515
>>5604389
More like /samefag

>>5604517
Kyrie is needed to kill Krauss and Natsuhi, since by any other calculation there would be more sheep than wolves. Strangling two people at the same time would be hella hard anyway.

Anyway, while Eva and the others are discovering that George is gone, and finding Krauss and Natsuhi, Kyrie heads back and kills George. She writes the PIN number on the door, hoping to intimidate the survivors and cast suspicion on Battler (I can't really explain why she would know the PIN outside of pure speculation. Maybe Nanjo found out from one of the other servants and told her). She then goes back to playing dead.

Eva and company make it into the mansion, find George, and the party is split up after Eva's gun goes off, blinding Jessica.

>>5604527
I don't get it. What the hell are you talking about, and why would you go by anything you see in the opening?

>>5604582
Beatrice's heart that is being destroyed by Evatrice has an Eagle Crest on it. Do I have to screenshot it for you?

It kind of makes sense, with Beato protecting Jessica and Natsuhi's death being really dubious.

>>5604557
Anyway, this is where my theory is a little shaky. Since Nanjo is a wolf, Jessica by all rights should be dead when Battler and Eva find her. She is pretty much helpless however, so maybe Nanjo just wasn't in any hurry.

Or maybe Jessica is a wolf. I have trouble seeing her working with Kyrie though. Well, anyway...

Nanjo leaves Jessica in the parlor and goes off, possibly in search of a gun. When he finds Kyrie however, she has apparently decided that Nanjo is a liability. Or maybe she realized that Nanjo lied to her and her wound is actually a fatal one. She kills him, and then finally dies from her injury.

Eva, after finding Nanjo dead as well, decides that there must be another person on the island, and that Battler must be working with them, and shoots him, believing it to be in self defense. She then flees back to Kuwadorian, allowing her to survive the explosion in the mansion.

So that's it, pretty much. I kept things brief, but if there's a problem I can probably clarify or explain things away.

>>5604356
>>5604406
Your problem is valid only if you assume that the scene we were shown was the absolute truth. And Battler's theory about this was never denied in red, so it's just as valid, and doesn't change the rest of my theory in any way. The crime happened, so stop just denying possibilities and start presenting ideas of your own.

>>5604671
I'M GOING TO CREATE NEW EVENTS THAT WERE NEVER HINTED OR FORESHADOWED BECAUSE I HAVE AUTISM LIKE THIS.

>>5604650
I guess it is there. I just fail to see the significance of it. Are you implying that Beatrice wrote the PIN on the door? Or that Natsuhi wasn't really dead, and came back to kill Nanjo, and then died somehow?

>>5604301
Nanjo's trick could be done easier, actually.
First option: Kinzo's corpse was in the boiler room, and from ep1 we know that it has a back door without lock, which leads to the courtyard, so it's not locked room in the first place.
Second: if, by any chance, we can't use it, there's still a possibility. Shannon's corpse will be discovered first in almost any scenario. Why? Because it was in the parlor on the first floor, that has a nice window we can break and enter, while other corpses were on higher floors, basement or even at the chapel. So the culprit, Nanjo or someone else, could have quickly put master key in her pocket when they found her.

>>5604470
You mixed up a timeline a little. First they found the gold and talked. Then Eva returned to the guesthouse with fever and went to her room with Hideyoshi. Then Maria started a tantrum, so Rosa decided to take her to the garden. (Actually, I think that someone could have told Maria to do so, because of her kihihis, when Rosa agreed). When they began search for Rosa and Maria, Eva and Hideyoshi were in their room, so Kyrie couldn't have taken the cigarette butt during this time. Maybe she picked it up when Eva was solving epitaph or maybe she thought that Hideyoshi went outside to smoke and could have seen Rudolf at work.

>>5604527
Since when opening count as evidences? He draws that eagle on the fucking everything. It's more likely a red herring.

>>5605175
I'm assuming for the sake of argument that the boiler room has a lock, and the line in Episode 1 refers to the surface entrances to the mansion. But yes, it could have been done easier if the boiler room doesn't lock. It just makes the red rather hard to swallow.

>>5605276
I believe it was implied that Kyrie found the cigarette during the search for Rosa and Maria, since Eva and Hideyoshi helped look as well. To put things in order:

*Eva and Rosa return to the guesthouse after finding the gold. Kyrie (presumably) notices they've been absent for a while and gets suspicious.

*Eva gets a fever and lies down.

*Rosa and Maria go out to the garden.

~At some point after they leave, Hideyoshi has time to smoke a cigarette. Or he smoked it while Eva and Rosa were finding the gold. It's possible Eva never left the room, but the intentional ambiguity of the red makes it more likely she went to talk to Rosa.

*The rest of the family notice Rosa and Maria are missing, and begin searching for them. This is the only real time Kyrie could have found the cigarette, so presumably Eva and Hideyoshi came out to help look.

*Rudolph goes out to look for Rosa and Maria, and returns to report finding them dead.

~Time passes. Eva is lying down again for the most part. Shouldn't be much opportunity for Kyrie to come in and find the cigarette.

*Kyrie suggests they go to the mansion to get some food. Rudolph agrees, and Hideyoshi tags along as well.

>>5604557
That PIN is really a mystery, and it's probably has some significance, considering it appears even in the ending song. Though it's not like "derp hurrp shkannontrice" solves it anyway.

>>5605331
I'm assuming the money in those cases was left behind by Kinzo for his servants and family. He left it up to 'Beatrice' to determine the appropriate time to distribute that money.

The best guess I can come up with for Episode 3 is that Nanjo or Kyrie found out the PIN somehow (maybe when they killed whoever was entrusted with it) but didn't know the significance of it. So they wrote it on the door to see if any of the survivors knew what it meant. Or to cast suspicion on Battler, since the first 4 numbers are his birthday.

>>5605325
>she went to talk to Rosa
They talked when they returned from the gold vault, after that Eva mostly lies in her bed.
>*The rest of the family notice Rosa and Maria are missing, and begin searching for them. This is the only real time Kyrie could have found the cigarette, so presumably Eva and Hideyoshi came out to help look.
It's narrated that Rudolf came into their room to ask about Rosa and Maria. Eva and Hideyoshi (presumably) had never really left the room during that time, so no, Kyrie couldn't have found it during that time.

>>5605368
The thing that really bothers me about the PIN thing is that the first 4 numbers are Battler's birthday. It seems like too much to be a coincidence.

>>5605368
I don't know, from his characterization he seems to be not that kind of man for such thing. He'd probably not leave them even a cent if he could.
Nanjo's son said that he saw "at least 20" other cells highlighted green for that PIN. Then again, maybe he's lying, but I doubt it. He said it was probably 100 millions, 20x100=2 billion is a pretty good money, especially for the money-striving relatives.

>>5605403
Maybe I've been following Battler's presumed script for these events too much.

Still, Kyrie wound up with that cigarette SOMEhow. The particulates of how notwithstanding, Eva left the room at least once, Hideyoshi was tensed up so he smoked a cigarette to relax, and at some point after that, but before they left for the mansion, Kyrie got into the room and took that cigarette butt. So clearly, Eva and Hideyoshi left the room at least once more so that Kyrie could go in and take it. Or else she went in and pocketed it without them noticing.

I've assumed that Eva left to talk to Rosa in the garden due to the fact that the damn narration said as much (EVA-Beatrice approached them just after Eva left and pretty much said 'You know what, I changed my mind. The gold is all mine'.) If you want to deny that Eva went to talk to them, fine. But it doesn't actually change anything important. All that matters is that Eva wasn't the one to kill Rosa and Maria.

>>5605465
Thing is: All of the siblings are strapped for cash. They are extorting each other, maybe even killing each other, over whatever money is left in Kinzo's name. None of them have the means to fill cases with billions of yen and give them out. The Sumadera's might, but if they have THAT much money to blow, why do they care about Kinzo's gold so badly in the first place?

The only person who could realistically set that up is Kinzo. That said, it's possible for someone else if that money is counterfeit, or only a few had money inside them or something.

>>5605466
Do you have any thoughts about that boat ticket in her pocket? I really doubt they need tickets to ride on their boat.

>Umineko
>No trolling

That sadly won't work I'm afraid, OP.Anyhow, I'm looking forward to this weekend, hopefully, we can have an all-nighter stream on Saturday, with the release of Episode 6.

>>5605489
>The only person who could realistically set that up is Kinzo.
That is actually might lead us to the 'Kinzo's will' theory.

>>5605590
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>5605590
It's something that hasn't been mentioned since, so I don't think it's significant.

I did, however, theorize once that the real Kyrie is dead, and Kasumi has taken her place. She has Ange hostage, so Rudolph can't act.

The boat ticket was left in her pocket after she chartered a boat a day or two earlier, at which time she moved Kyrie's body to the island, in the care of her accomplice there. She can then simply duck out of sight after committing the first twilight, and leave Kyrie's body with the other victims.

She's then free to commit the murders any way she likes and completely dodges the red. After all: It's not a body double, it's the real Kyrie's corpse. Since Kyrie was dead before the game began, it doesn't violate the number of people on the island. She's already on the island with the rest, so it's not like an outsider comes ashore after the game starts.

I ultimately dismissed this because it seems too implausible, and it all hinges on a single vague clue- that ticket which we only saw in Episode 3.

>>5605649
I remember seeing this theory someplace or another.

>>5605600
>Saturday, with the release of Episode 6.
Is the translation so close to being finished?
Have they actually announced a release date?

So I hear we're getting EP6 translation tomorrow. How does this make you feel?

>>5605662
>>5605664
Not really, but
>"we're very close to a release, but nothing before the weekend"

So, I'm hoping on a Saturday release.

>>5605662
chronotrig on animesuki:
"Things are looking good right now. I can say that we're very close to a release, but nothing before the weekend, at least. "

>>5605664
Witch-hunt guy said no release until the weekend at least. That doesn't mean release as soon as the weekend starts.

>>5605664
It makes me wish that I didn't procrastinate in downloading Ep 6 when it came out. Now I have to go visit the IRC channel.

>>5605672
Disgraceful. You should have read it at least once via machine translation.

>>5605668
>>5605669
Eh, you guys sure are optimistic.
I doubt we'll get it this weekend.

>>5605661
I talked about it here and on the animesuki forums a while back. Like I said, it ultimately had too slim a foundation, so I dropped it.

But, the ticket at least proves that Kyrie went on a boat ride prior to the family meeting. Maybe to meet with her accomplice or accomplices.

>>5605680
God yes.

You better tune in next month.

>>5605680
>>5605686
Reading it with ATLAS is a lot of fun (clitoris comes to mind) but it spoils a bit of the fun, since you cant tell half of whats happening. I'm divided between reading a machine trasnlation or waiting for a proper translation since this might be the last ep..

>>5605806
Well, I read it with a translator (obviously), and I still got the gist of what happens.

Details hopefully come tomorrow.

>>5605806
If you use your brain a little, you can understand most of the sentences. The clitoris thing is an extreme exemple.

>>5605806

Too bad there will be EP8 - Farewell of the Golden Witch

>>5605823
Episode 7 is the last real episode. Episode 8, if it comes to exist, will just be some kind of omake

Any good EP6 torrent?

>>5605845
I got mine from nyaatorrents. Just search umineko 6

>>5605839

>Episode 7 is the last real episode. Episode 8, if it comes to exist, will just be some kind of omake

Eh no, Episode 8 is truly final. Remember Higurashi, it also has 8 episodes.

>>5605874
Yea but the truth was revealed in ep7 and ep8 was resolution. There will be no real resolution like in Higurashi ,or maybe Ryu will change his mind, so ep8 will be something akin to what Rei was to Higurashi I guess.

>>5605910
You can't know this, so stop being so sure. His "interviews" don't count, since he's pretty vague and contradictory.

>>5605934
Episode 7 is clearly the end though. Just look at that OP
You should at least realize you can't speculate any more after 7

>>5605934
Contradictory? Read the last one.
He is REALLY clear. And he says this since a LONG time. He even say that without this, umineko would not be a game. He will not change the nature of his collection for fun.

>>5605958
Well, Episode 8 can be the last one, if it uses the same opening.

>>5605934
I think he was pretty straighfoward when he said ep7 was the last, and any more would be like an extra. Dont have the interview to check though. And anyway, thats why I said he might change his mind, he might just make 7 more episodes if he feels like it. He is the author and he does whatever the fuck he wants to. I'm already trying to get some small bombs to send inside my hatemail in any case.

>>5605979
Episode 8 would be what if the golden witch?
A requiem is already a farewell for her.
if there is an episode 8 it will be as higurashi where the meta-world will not have existence...
But then you are not to expect this series to follow higurashi.

>>5605958
Personally, I don't "realize" this. There is still some things that are not even hinted in the op.
So if I must say that ep7 is the end, it will be after ep7. Actually, it's not because it is caled requiem, and because we are seeing one guy who cames from nowhere and a transvestite that it is the last ep.

>>5606004
I have no clue, I'm not Ryu, just saying it's a possibility.

>>5605934

>His "interviews" don't count, since he's pretty vague and contradictory.

He just loves trolling

>>5606005
The guy out of nowhere is dine who has the ruthless rules to force the truth
The transvestite may be a vital part of the truth

Hm. Stream in about 30 minutes, for those who're curious.

>>5606004
You cannot know. That's all. There was an "end of the golden witch", and she got resurrected one ep later. Now she is supposed to die anyway, but you cannot say why by the title. Ep8 could be beato giving up her place as a golden witch and becoming something else, for exemple. And the meta-world will still exist during this game, thanks 34 and Bern again.

As I said, you cannot predict anything from a title.

I don't expect the series to follow higurashi, but nothing here can be a proof that the game will end at ep7. Umineko is not ONLY Beatrice, and we don't know if this episode will say anything about the two Battler; or anything like that.

>>5606037
I know it. Even if for Dine we are not sure. It was supposed to be a joke.
But yes, you get it. a part* of the truth.

>>5606063

Krauss was a trap all along. Thats why Natsuhi couldnt get pregnant.

>>5606072
The illusion of love will be dispersed this episode and the truth will be found. Maybe there will be more like you say. But that more will not be about finding truth, it will be having truth and doing after that.

>>5606025

he that8ep. would something like omake UMINEKO REI

>>5606072
ryu confirmed that we should know the culprit in the 7ep.

>>5606097
I wouldn't take a text like that literally, personally. Ryukishi said us that "without love it can not be seen" during 6 eps, and right now, because of 2 lines, love is a bad thing and hide the truth.
To me, there is a chance that ep7 will containt a part of the truth, but bernkastel will not be able to grasp the last and most important part because of her lack of love. It would not be surprising at all.
It also looks like what Ryukishi said in his interview, about "not telling everything". He will give a brutal answer, but the last part will not be there.

>>5606140
Not the culprit.
He will give "a brutal answer". but he will NOT say the culprit. Because according to him it would waste the work of people who were thinking about it. So he will tell SOMETHING. Something which will help us a lot. But we don't know what.

>>5606155
Yeah, if I remember correctly, he wouldn't give a correct answer like in Higurashi.

>>5605972
>>5605982
>>Will EP7 end the series?
>Who knows? Seven is a lucky number (laughs), and EP8 might become an omake episode, like an "Umineko no Naku Koro ni Rei". (laughs again)
However, I think we will be giving out an extremely merciless answer in EP7.
Not so clear.

>>5606127
In the same interview, he says that umineko could also have 9 eps. And without talking about rei at this point. So, it doesn't mean anything. We are only sure of one thing, ep 7 case is shitty.

>>5606127
>MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT become an omake episode

>>5606063

>Hm. Stream in about 30 minutes, for those who're curious.

Are you still there?

>>5606185
Yes, yes I am. What is it?

>>5606148
He said he isn't going to point a finger and say that this the culprit, but the hints will be so clear about that person being the culprit

>>5606160
Yes, he is unclear on this point. I don't like the "contradictory" because of people saying "the interviews worth nothing at all, he is just trolling", as if he was not trolling in the game.
Actually, I'm only sure because of ep7 case and because there is no hint for the second Battler in the opening, among other things. So I could be wrong, but to me, this is more clear than a title alone.

>>5606063

Streaming what?

If It's related to Umineko I wanna see.

>>5606192
For those who already know who it is.
Again, "it wouldn't be a game if, and I want other people to..."

>>5606208
We've been streaming Umineko related things all week now, and we're probably gonna stream Episode 6 translated this weekend. It'll be an all-nighter for us Europeans, probably.

link is http://www.livestream.com/seacatsbgm

>>5606208
Yes, It's umineko related.

People only say Ryuukishi was trolling because of Erika. He wasn't trolling. He didn't say "Erika is a good girl." What he said was more like "I don't think Erika is a bad person." He wasn't lying. You know why he doesn't think Erika is a bad person? Because she isn't a "person" at all. She doesn't exist.

>>5606191

>Yes, yes I am. What is it?

What will you be streaming anyway? I am curious. I'll probably watch

>>5606233
"This is troll as well", just like the " her existence itself" is a hint", and a lot of things which are disturbing people in their theories ~


To me, he rather meant that Erika is a plot victim. He needed a ""evil"" girl so the plot will be interresting, Erika got this place.

>>5606233
Silly semantics like that are stupid and make the narrative pointless.

>>5606247
Oh. Erm, it's mostly BGM, and we'll be discussing stuff about Umineko. And people make requests about certain moments in the Episodes.

It's never certain what will happen. Though, if we're lucky, we'll have Episode 6 tomorrow.

>>5606233
You and your shitty theories.
You are right though, she doesn't exist, in the same way as the various episodes don't exist, she is a fictional characters in the fictions that are the various renditions of the murders of Rokkenjima.

And yes she isn't a bad person, is it evil to kill NPCs in a game for example? Not really, that's why she could cut the throats of some people without a care in the world.

>>5606233
–It felt as though you had detectives in mystery novels very firmly in mind when you created Erika.

Ryuukishi: That’s right. Her character shares many traits that were maliciously extracted from those held by great detectives. With sealing the doors and the like, she is unlike Battler in that she’s a hard worker, or maybe you could say she puts a lot of effort into her plans…… People vary on whether they like or dislike Erika. While Battler’s enemies before now have specialized in confusing him, Erika comes at him from the exact opposite direction, and I think this leads to a different kind of battle than the ones we’ve seen so far. I hope this becomes a new light to shine on the riddle-filled world of Umineko. It seems that some of our users have wondered “Did he use her as a representative of users who write malicious theories?”, but I leave such interpretations up to you. Umineko’s focus on battles every time is part of the world’s layout, so we must have a character who stands in clear opposition to Battler. So, if Erika had been a normal person, perhaps the battle and the tale wouldn’t have become so exciting. Though I think Erika herself is just bad at choosing her words and not really such a bad person.


Clearly, he's talking about her image in the game, so it doesn't matter if she 'existed' or not in the real world.

>>5606216
>>5606260

Well. Starting now, join in for the fun!

>>5606280
I think he was talking about the part before. her and dlanor's existence are a hint.

Umineko is almost as bad as Twilight.

>>5606294
ho, a troll.
Well, however, we have less stupid groupies.

>>5606307
I'm not sure

>>5606312
Well, we have less girls to begin with, so

>>5606323
And that's a good thing!

couldn't Shkanon work without DID??

since the first twilights are usually set up as an act before people are actually offed, couldn't the whole shkanon gig be part of a script or something instead of shkanonigans?

>>5606371
Problems with the red and Knox

>>5606280
His own thoughts on the matter still rely on this statement
>Though I think Erika herself is just bad at choosing her words and not really such a bad person.
Of course, she's about 0% a bad person since she's not a person. So obviously she's worse at choosing her words than she is a bad person, unless she is the world leader at choosing her words and is 100% right in the words she chooses.

Can't wait till both the shkanon/trice and erika doesn't exist theories get denied in episode 7.

>>5606419
Actually, by the rules of mystery, which Wright is going to enforce further, Erika must not exist, since we have a closed circle there.

>>5606419
Come on. How can both those theories be false? Explain yourself. It's one or the other.

>>5606457
People like him don't want to think, they just want OH R07 IS SUCH A TROLL, LOLOLOL TROLLING WITCHES EVERYWHERE BEST VN EVER

>>5606479
I don't think that he think that umineko is the best VN ever, he is just enjoying seeing the other being wrong when he himself don't say anything

>>5606488
This about sums it up. There's always one guy who calls everyone idiots but fails to give his own thoughts of the matter.

>>5606425
I still believe in you Pony-san ;_;

>>5606502
It's true. Too bad the pony is for Shannon and not Beatrice.

>>5606419
Erika not existing at all: very likely since both EP 5 and 6 were troll gameboards

Shkannon: this fucking sucks, besides Battler's closed room i can resolve everything without resorting to the meido.

>>5606533
Forget about the closed room, how can you explain the story without Shkanontrice? Episode 6 shoves it down your throat.

>>5606543
You can explain episode 6 with or without Shkannontrice. This episode is a complete mess, Shkannon only helps for the last closed room.

Anyway, the pony can still be possible if "beatrice" is not the culprit. no revenge, all of this shit in ep5.

>>5606543
Shannon being very lovesick and delusional.
Shannontrice

>>5606592
How does Kanon fit into the whole duel situation if Shannon and Beatrice are the same person, but not him? All three are supposed to be in the same situation.

>>5606543
You can't explain episode 6 with or without Shkannontrice. This episode is a complete mess, Shkannon only helps for the last closed room. Kanon dies, resurrects, dies again, etc. having fun, Kanon?
Everything else can be explained pretty easily, such as the true killer or Kinzo or Natsuhi, whatever, who decided to free Shannon if she kills her "brother", or the opposite. This way, Kannon or Shannon is a perfect scapegoat and the true culprit can put his murders on his back. But again, ep6 is a mess even WITH Shkannon.

Anyway, the pony can still be possible if "beatrice" is not the culprit. no revenge, all of this shit in ep5.

>>5606592
And Kanon's body disappearing all the fucking time?
And the fact that he can't get his love if Shannon goes away or that he only can become a true human by "getting" Shannon's soul.
And the fact that he can appear and disappear like a ninja all the fucking time.

I will be clear, people who still don't believe in ShKanon nowadays are completely and utterly deluded and most likely retarded.

>>5606610
Other question.
Why does Beatrice die when Kanon die?
She didn't participate in this duel. However she didn't even had a chance. She died when Kanon died. That's all.

>>5606628
She didn't participate in the final duel, but she participated in the battle. She "killed" Natsuhi for her first twilight sacrifice, while Battler "killed" himself. The reason she wasn't in the duel was because Battler was stuck in the closed room so their couple was disqualified, wasn't it?

>>5606623
YOU are the one not thinking about anything and saying other are retards. Seriously, I don't know about Shkannon being true or nut, but there you don't even give GOOD "proofs". And there is FAR more disturbing things that what you said.
Of course, a duel can ONLY be two servant who have to become one, and suddenly we must believe the fantasy side.
And by the way, zepar and furfur were talking about FURNITURE. Not Kannon or Shannon literally. For you, it don't change anything, but it could.
You know what?
Beatrice xists. Umineko is solved.

Episode 6 is a fucking clusterfuck of trolling, not even the GM could explain its retardness.

>>5606623
Congratulations! You have solved the entire game. There's nothing for you to discuss anymore. So please leave us. Thank you.

>>5606637
I don't see the point here. The duel was about becoming human, in the first place, even if it is linked to the loved one.But also, if it was so easy and she was disqualified, she should have died in the beginning. but no, it was when Kanon died.

>>5606683
The duel is about becoming human to love. Shannon x George, Kanon x Jessica, Battler x Beatrice, only one can survive. Beatrice was created for Battler. Since he was stuck in the closed room, so he couldn't participate, he was disqualified. Beatrice has no purpose without Battler. Like in episode 4. "If you don't come back I'd rather not have been born"

>>5606637
I don't see the point here. The duel was about becoming human, in the first place, even if it is linked to the loved one.But also, if it was so easy and she was disqualified, she should have died in the beginning. but no, it was when Kanon died.

Seriously, I dislike Shkannon, but I could accept it.
But people who not only don't search any other answer, but moreover think they are superior when everyone does not agree with them are ANNOYING.

>>5606695
And so she should not even be here in the first place. Or she should die, in the first place also. If she doesn't have a chance from the beginning, no matter who win. Not only in the end.

But I suppose that you will say that ryukishi only put her here so it will be more touching? It's the only reason, here.

>>5606733
If Battler was rescued from the closed room before Shannon won the duel, maybe Beatrice would still be able to participate against Shannon? Maybe she only died when Kanon did because if Kanon had lost and Beatrice couldn't play, Shannon had won by default, so Beatrice dies too. I'm not saying they're not all the same person, just that the details might be different.

>>5606623
>ShKanon nowadays are completely and utterly deluded and most likely retarded.

WHAT U THINK DIFFERENT THAN MEE ? UR RETARDED !!
I admit im completely clueless and i would accept DID meido, but i haven't stopped thinking yet.

Don't be a slowpoke, download episode 6 before the rush when the translation is finished.

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=106476

Here's my theory, UMINEKO IS SHIT

SEACATS stream tonight bros ?

>>5606751
Maybe, but actually we have no real reason about Beatrice dying right here. I don't disagree here, but when Kanon and Beatrice lose in this world they become "transparent". So Beato, if she even have the right to be here, should have been "transparent" since the beginning. Battler was not saved yet, so she was not able to fight for her lover.

That's why I say that ep6 is a giant mess, with or without Shkannon. There is a lot of strange things if you think about it.

>>5606777
Yes, It have already beginned IIRC

>>5606777
>>5606801
That it did.

>>5606776

Yeah, but at least it's not Touhou.