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Ange does.

>>5379014
Until she gets killed by one of Kasumi's bodyguard.

Who I bet was Sayo. Just because.

Eva didn't kill Battler somehow in EP3, blind ass Jessica helps him while he's wounded and they escape the mansion, and there's a lot of fucking involved after.

>>5379023

One of the ways I've been entertaining myself lately has been trying to figure out what was happening at Ange's future in Ep 4. I assume the bodyguard boy sniped the thugs from afar.

Much of Umineko has been poisoned to me by the thrice-accursed lying narrator, but that should hopefully have no impact to the future episode (save Ange's own hallucinations/delusions).

>>5379026
While I can say Jessica could be alive and kicking, Battler got shot through the chest.
His heart flew onto the floor.
I don't think one recovers from that.

>>5379046
Juuza sniped them, yeah. French Foreign Legion for the fucking win.
>>5379051
I think Battler's death was in third person narration, so it could not count. But I don't quite know that third person narration means it didn't happen.

>>5379065
I think Ryuukishi confirmed in an interview that Battler saw Eva shoot him.

>>5379072
Link to the interview?

And then wait a tic... I suppose Juuza was his own man the whole time.

So we've got Eva, Jessica, and Sayo surviving this now.

>>5379072
Just because he saw her shoot him doesn't necessarily means it was fatal. Hell, it could've have even been a defective bullet or some such.

>>5379083
Well, if he saw his heart plop onto the floor, it's a rather moot point.

>>5379091
Gunshots don't work like that.

>>5379091
That's not what Ryukishi said though, isn't it?
Also there's also the point that who says that Ange's 1998 is the same 1998 that would happen at the close of the 3rd game?

>>5379098
True, true.

But who DO you think survived Rokkenjima, then, if episode 3 is not Ange's past?

>>5379095
Ryukishi bullshit writing time, do we believe logic in that the exit wound would blast the fucking heart out his back, making it impossible to see unless he somehow turned around with a gaping hole to look at it, or do we just assume the man knows fuck all about how firearms work?

>>5379103
I say Jessica because Ryukushi spent a good chunk of episode 6 having her win the moralfag award, Battler because ONII-CHAN, Eva because she's the motherfucking Dark Knight, and Sayo because she has to face her many, many sins.

>>5379107
>Ryukishi
>knowing fuck all about anything
I wonder...

>>5379144
Well, Featherine or some god-like entity watches out for Jessica, I have no freaking clue why. Eva got the worst of it, didn't she?

You lived! But.... uh,,, your husbando is dead, family is dead, son is dead, and you're to be blamed for it FOREVER. Oh and Ange, your last surviving family member hates you.

Poor Eva;_;

>>5378992
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>>5379192
You talking about Jessica's mother day TIP? Yeah, that was nice of Featherine to grant Natsuhi's wish, ALMOST makes you think she's a good entity.

>>5379374
We don't quite know it was Featherine who granted Natsuhi's wish. All we know is that it was a noble person who transcended humanity. So it could have been Bernkastel!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>5379107
Hmph, so it's true what Featherine said. Some people will interpret your work maliciously no matter what you write.

>>5379475
BRONOVE

WITCHES AIN'T NOTHING BUT
HOS AND TRICKS

>>5379494
Or, alternatively, all people are malicious, so everything written is done so maliciously.

>>5379442
Am I the only one freaking out in tin-foiled hat wearing paranoia that with Jessica's mother's day, Featherine plays a part?

IT'S ALL PART OF A CONSPIRACY MAN
PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER
THE CROW COCKS AT DAWN WHILE THE EAGLE SHEDS TEARS OF REMORSE

>>5379494
Featherine is very obnoxious. And if this is a series where the culprit is a DID meido that no one knows about who we are supposed to believe is some heroine, damn right we'll be skeptical while looking at everything Ryukushicakes writes.

>>5379520
> Am I the only one freaking out in tin-foiled hat wearing paranoia that with Jessica's mother's day, Featherine plays a part?
Well, if Featherine is Asumu...

Man, I give up on trying to figure this shit out. Time to enjoy the music and laugh.

>>5379494
The very fact that we can't be sure whether Ryukishi knows guns don't work that way is proof of his less than stellar grasp of things that exist in reality, like oh, I don't know, logic for instance.

>>5379527
Umineko: The only series where the statement: Jessica, (the friend of Shannon who is actually her boyfriend Kanon who is actually the witch Beatrice), is Battler(not Battler who is actually Juuza who is actually the son of Kyrie and Rudolf) because Hanyuu who is actually Featherine who is actually Rudolf's wife Asumu makes even a slight amount of sense.

>>5379553
I've seen no particular evidence to doubt his understanding of guns OR logic. What have you got?

>>5379530
Welcome to the club bro.

>>5379574
>OR logic
I implore you to read the story, then. Just to throw out the two most prominent errors is his rather liberal interpretation of Hempel's Raven and Schrodinger's Cat.

And his knowledge of guns hinges on what he does with that scene in EP3. As the game explains it, there is no possible way Battler saw his own heart fall out of his chest.

I propose a new theory:

Wangtrice.

It turns out that Rudolf's dick killed everyone.

>>5379609
In a way, it did.

>>5379590
Listen to the music, fap to Erika doujins, try not to think too hard about the implications of episode 6, ignorance really IS bliss.

>>5379564
I'd be chill with Jessica being the second Battler, it's one step closer to my dream of Battler engaging in a Metal Gear Solidesque fist fight with someone on top of the burning wreckage of the island.

>>5379619
FISTFIGHT END

The drawfag never finished this. ;_;

>>5379619
>fap to erika doujins

Wat.

>>5379630
You have successfully obtained my interest.

>>5379637
Dem footjobs man, dem footjobs.
>>5379630
Damn it, Battler being Solid Snake and Jessica being Liquid Snake was my personal, PCP induced theory!

>>5379630
but that looks like shit

>>5379658
Could be worse.
Could be drawn by Ryukushi

>>5379630
>FISTFIGHT END
FUCK YES

>the drawfag never finished it
GODDAMNIT /jp/ IF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF YOU I WILL SHOOT YOUR HEART OUT

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>>5379658
If I remember correctly, it was a very, very rough sketch, done on short notice and not even flipped the correct way.

Give the drawfag a break, it's fucking awesome.

>>5379603
I'll give you the bit about Hempel's Raven, although he basically just got the wrong name for a logical concept that was perfectly sound. What was wrong with his use of Schroedinger's Cat, though? And...

> there is no possible way Battler saw his own heart fall out of his chest

Where the hell did you get this from? All Ryuukishi said in the interview was that he saw Eva shoot him.

>>5379676
Getting the feeling that if Jessica and Battler do fight, it won't be because one of the two is a mustache twirling villain. It'll most likely be a conflict of reality vs fantasy, or something more DEEP.

>Hanyuu who is actually Featherine who is actually Rudolf's wife Asumu

>>5379701
We need to add a mustache to Sayo's face.
But I think if Jessica ends up being the other Battler we're almost assured to get some kinda conflict. I mean seriously if your name was Battler and you met someone else named Battler it would make no sense to not start a full out brawl.

>>5379724
When you meet your clone, your instinct is to either fuck them or fight them. Both of them are stupid enough to assume that the same name = CLOOOONE, and Ryukishi isn't writing sex scenes, so they'll fight.

>>5379742
I'd imagine it'd play out something akin to this.

>>5379742
Can I have a fight with my clone that ends in sex?

>>5379716
The explanation comes in two parts, the first regarding Hachijou Touya's pen name, and the second part on her name's relevance with Ushiromiya Asumu's.

Let's start with the explanation to Hachijou Touya's (八城十八) pen name: 伊藤幾九 郎〇五七六

Now we agree to use these pronunciations and assign numerical values to them (based on the pronunciation)
伊 (i = 1)
藤 (tou = 10)
幾 (iku = 1,9)
九 (kyu = 9)
郎 (rou = 6)
〇 (maru = 0)
五 (go = 5)
七 (nana = 7)
六 (roku = 6)
Simple enough. We can now get 11019960576 from that.

Taking Touya's (十八 = 18) name into consideration, we can calculate:
11019960576 = 8^18
In other words,
18's 8乗 (18's hachijou, as 乗 can be pronounced "jou", lit. "to the power of")
The pronunciation can now be written as 八城十八 (Hachijou Touya)

Still following? <Good>. The relevance of this can immediately be seen in the second part below.

Back to Hachijou Touya's name.

八城十八, which can be taken as 8上18 (城 and 上 can both be pronounced as jou. 18 up 8? 18th exponent of 8. That's the 8^18 = 11019960576. Made the connection? <Good>.)

8上18 (18 up 8) could also be taken as 18 adding 8; 18+8 = 26
remember the cryptic 07151129 written on the door that was a bank account number? Well,
0+7+1+5+1+1+2+9 = 26
So now we've established a connection between Hachijou Touya 18+8 = 0+7+1+5+1+1+2+9 cryptic account number

Let's work with the 26 we've got earlier.
First, the surname 右代宮 (Ushiromiya) could be deconstructed phonetically and reconstructed as 後ろ38 (後ろ = ushiro, lit. "behind", 3=mi, 8=ya)
Behind 38? Oh: The 38 is behind.
Behind what? 26.

3826 (can be pronounced as mi you ni mu)
み よう に む or flattening them, みょうにむ
myouni, lit. tomorrow can be written as 明日
mu, lit. dream can be written as 夢

明日夢 can be pronounced as Asumu
With 38 behind (後ろ38, pronounced Ushiromiya), we finally get
右代宮明日夢 Ushiromiya Asumu

In conclusion: Rudolf FUCKED A GOD, AND NAMED TWO OF HIS CHILDREN BATTLER

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE

>>5379761
YES

>>5379766
YES

>>5379770
Theorizing in the dark without any evidence is why you people can't solve anything.

>>5379819
It's not so much "in the dark" so much as "Shkanontrice, while most likely true, is pretentious and stupid as fuck, so we'd rather talk about stuff we like rather than stuff we don't."

>>5379819
let's see your solution

>>5379819
And being a smug anti-social asshat is why you're posting here.

>>5379830
Pretty much. I really don't care how much theorycrafting and evidence is supplied for Shkanontrice. I think it's a shit plot device for a shitty character, so until it's made canon, I'm just going to supply my own outlandish, but enjoyable solution.

>>5379830
If it's "most likely true", why hasn't anyone managed to establish a credible motive for it yet?

>>5379844
It's why I've moved onto second Battler theorizing, Shkanontrice just degrades everyone. Kanon and Beatrice are great characters, but them all being part of Sayo's imagination is retarded. Sayo's motivation is also retarded and makes her unsympathetic. It's just bleh.

>>5379863
Well, good thing we'll see the light of justice in episode 7 OH GOD THAT'S NOT LIGHT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>5379844
>>5379863
I didn't say anything about liking Shkannontrice. I just don't think blindly inventing backstory without supporting evidence is a useful way of approaching a mystery when we're supposed to be able to solve it with clues.

Of course, if you just want to mess around and make something awesome, that's fine too. I like Metal Gear Beato as much the next guy.

>>5379893
The idea of Jessica being the second Battler isn't a completely clueless one. The red text that says Battler Ushiromiya was born from Asumu Ushiromiya while maintaining that both Battler and Battler Ushiromiya are not Asumu's SON foreshadows the fact that the other Battler may be female.

After that, we have Natsuhi's unreliability and Krauss's absence in episode 5 to give Jessica's origin dubious circumstances, and her similar age to Battler, and bam! We have a decent theory.

As for Asumu being Featherine, yeah that is just fluff for the most part, but with the TIPs it certainly has the potential to fall into place.

I'm sure our good buddy Bernkastel will confirm and/or deny these things in episode 7.

>>5379819
Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately?), it's not theorizing in the dark. The stuff from the first of the two posts is how Ange figured out that the person posting Rokkenjima stories online was Hachijou Touya.

In other words: FUCKING JAPANESE WORDPLAY, HOW DOES IT WORK?

Shkannontrice and Moon-chan and all that is the more serious side of Umineko theory threads, where people try to actually figure stuff out sometimes.

When even that gets too ridiculous and you need to discuss Umineko in a non-serious business manner without having to sink down to /a/, there's the fistfight end. It will always be there for us.

>>5379926
> while maintaining that both Battler and Battler Ushiromiya are not Asumu's SON
When was it ever said that "Battler"/'Battler Ushiromiya" is not the son of Asumu? Was there more red text talking about that after Episode 4?

>>5379939
It's red text in episode 4.

Said twice, actually, in an interesting manner.

>Ushiromiya Battler is not Ushiromiya Asumu's son
>Battler is not Asumu's son

At the time you don't think about it because HOLY SHIT BATTLER'S FADING AWAY FUCK, but when looking at it coldly, things click into place.

>>5379954
I thought the red text was "YOU are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son".

>>5379930
The problem with Japanese number wordplay is that there are so many alternate readings, you can make a string of numbers mean almost anything (remember "Battler good meat"?). Kind of like traditional numerology actually.

Dammit, I'm still asspained that Battler brought Beato back so quickly. I was hoping that we'd get to see him be all angsty about it at first, but then man the fuck up and be cold instead of emo. That way, when Beato actually was resurrected, it would hit harder, I guess. And then we ended up with...well, this.

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>>5379932
Now that I think of it, Battler versus Musou Rosa could be pretty awesome too.

>>5379961
That's said too.
>You are not Ushiromiya Asumu's son
But then Ange comes in and makes it even more specific.

She's trying to establish that Battler does exist, so she says the perfectly valued truth:
>Battler Ushiromiya is not Asumu's Ushiromiya's son.
and to give a giant FUCK YOU BEATO to Beato, she goes for overkill
>Battler is not Asumu's son

Course, hilarity ensues when we consider the implications of this.

>>5379979
Just come on over to the Genius Battler theory. It's like that, but with more keikaku doori.

>>5379987
Ryukushi.... it's not very nice to play tricks like this.

>>5379994
What about Battler is a jerkass and wants to send Beato to hell because she's a murdering bitch theory?

>>5379994
Could you elaborate on this theory?

>>5380029
Go away, Sen-ka.

>>5379987
Well, gents, guess we know what Ryukushi's next plot-twist will be. It will mean more woobie Jessica, so I approve.

>>5380044
I still remember when we figured out that, in Episode 6, the Episode with the whole "all names apply only to the actual people" thing, there were two people whose names were never stated in red: Jessica and Genji. That lead to some pretty interesting conversation.

>>5380055
Yeah. Well, I like this theory because it makes Moetsuhi not as much of a murderer as we thought she was.

Which is quite moe.

..
..Yeah ssure, I liike a goood aanime now and again. I mean, they're just television shows like any other, really, but they can really portray some interesting messages when done right. ...My favooourites? Well, there's this one called Cowboy Bebop, that's definitely it. A few others like Akira and FLCL are cooool. The Wachooowski broothers showed me this movie called Ghost in the Shell, when we were doooing The Maaatrix, and that was really impressive....

Keeeanu on the set of Streeeet Kings..

MEANWHILE, AT WITCH HUNT

>Also, I've just finished finals and have my first entirely free week since the EP2 translation. Status on the website is currently accurate, but I'm pretty sure I'll be able to finish the rough translation for this upcoming patch by the end of the week.

>Keanu
Why did you have to remind me of this ronery guy. ;__;

>>5380044
Jessica's gonna get raped up the butt hard in episode 7.
YOUR BEST FRIEND SHANNON IS ACTUALLY YOUR BOYFRIEND KANON, LOL YOU THOUGHT ANYONE WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE YOU? FAT CHANCE THE DELUSIONAL NUTJOB FELT SORRY FOR YOU. COURSE NOT ENOUGH TO SPARE YOUR LIFE, KNOW YOUR PLACE SACRIFICE SCUM.

and with this....

OH AND YOU'RE ADOPTED YOUR PARENTS DON'T EVEN LOVE YOU.

>>5380065
>Keanu
Why did you have to remind me of this very sad guy's life story. ;__;

>>5380078
Getting abused and learning that your life is a complete lie is moe~

>>5380072

Oh wow, there hasn't been any progress at ALL since last month?

>>5380078
As long as Shannon isn't the love target, Jessica can be the moe tortured soul who Battler heals.

Ange can come too.

>>5380101
Chrno's been too busy writing his 320 page thesis: Shkanontrice, Love, and Nanjo's Granddaughter.

>>5380105
Nah, she has no one for her. She'll be driven to madness and used by Bern against Battler, who will have to put her down. Really, sucks to be her.

>>5380072
Also
>when we release an installer for EP6, you won't even need it (a Japanese locale) for that (the patch).
>Message is doing the installer
Enjoy waiting a few months.

>>5380126
I heard they cut loose the Gamefaqs guys.

Goddamn it, stupid neurotic witch hunt.

>>5380126
MESSAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEE

>>5380037
It's an extension of the ghost Erika theory for EP6. Basically, all of the times where it seemed like Battler was playing into Erika's hands, making foolish moves, and writing a nonsensical plot, he was actually doing so deliberately in order to lure Erika into a massive trap that would help him restore Beato's old self.

Erika gave up her trustworthy POV so she could kill the first twilight victims, but Battler predicted that move and took advantage of it. He presented her with a series of implausible plot developments after the first twilight, which she swallowed whole because she thought he was a bad writer, and allowed her to make several bizarre moves with her piece (like repairing the chain with duct tape) as if that piece had access to her meta-level reasoning.

From Erika's perspective, it looked like Battler was walking right into her logic error trap. However, because of her unreliable POV, those implausible moves could be used by Battler to move her piece without her knowledge. Under the smokescreen of a bad detective novel, Erika's piece was actually the real culprit and someone who was in on the fake death plot. While Erika thought she was cornering Battler, her piece was actually helping Kanon and Battler set up the scene for the fake second twilight. And then, after Battler left, that piece killed Kanon.

Since Battler set up the logic error deliberately (notice how scenes from the logic error prison had an effect on the narrative before the error actually occurred?), he knew the answer himself. This is why his furniture, Zepar and Furfur, were able to give Beato hints about it. He kept quiet and pretended to be trapped so that Beato would have to obtain a miracle and regain her old self in order to save him.

>>5380086
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI-njA___j0

>>5380219
But that would require Battler to be competent.

>>5380219
Oh shit, I think I love this theory.

>>5380219

This theory is superior.

>>5380219
Now that I think about it, it WAS said that Battler could have easily escaped the logic error if he had revealed a portion of Beato's heart....

>>5380244
He's like Phoenix Wright: he isn't exactly a genius and he's not assfuckingly stupid either, but don't expect anything until the finale.

>>5380264
No sir, I don't like it.

>>5380272
One knife cut for eight pieces of cheese.

>>5380105
Jessica deserves nothing.

>>5380288
But that's stupidly simple.
Hell, not even using the folding method, it's easy. Of course that brings you to the limit of what exactly a cut is.

>>5380293
Pretty sure the game stated that changing directions and stuff like that doesn't count. It has to be a single stroke, in one direction, with no continuation.

>>5380304
Rather, each cut can only be a single stroke, in one direction, with no continuation.

>>5380304
>>5380308
My idea still holds to those.

>>5380304
>>5380308
>>5380319
Well, if a cut is defined as the action by the knife or what happens to the cheese.

>>5380288
>>5380293
>>5380304
>>5380308
>>5380319
>>5380335
Only in Umineko could this be so serious and important.

>>5380291
She deserves life, at the very least.

When everyone else was rushing to kill people for stupid fucking reasons in episode 6, she was the only one to say WHOA HOLD ON A TIC NOW.

>Genius Battler theory
It's like words are having passionate, loving sex with my mind.

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