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>hardest
SA
>easiest
PCB, EoSD
Opinions

PCB may be easy, but the most forgiving is IN. So long as you got a decent amount of time counters in the early levels, you can use continues fairly often without fear of hitting a game over.

Hardest is probably SA just because it's a bit too different. That and it's pretty hard to get extra lives.

Most frustrating is UFO because of the damn UFO system.

Hardest - UFO
Easiest - IN

Hardest is SA
Easiest is IN

Most rage inducing is UFO

>>5330611
Only the fools who die stupidly chasing them UFO's think UFO is the hardest.

Hardest: SA
Easiest: IN
Frustrating: UFO

>>5330619
You all think UFO is hard...face it. And I bet you even die quite a bit getting UFOs as well.

You wouldn't call it frustrating if it wasn't.

OP

Huh I certainly didn't find IN to be as easy as PCB. I mean I definitely didn't 1CC it on my first try heh. It just seemed to me in PCB that the only thing you needed to do for like 90% of the game was stream.

>>5330643
>Implying that you had to stream on any of the bosses besides maybe one of yuyukos cards
Stream against youmu, the sistahs, or even white rock and see what happens.

>>5330639

UFO isn't hard. The stupid UFO system is an element which creates a fake difficulty. If it wasn't the only viable way to get bombs/lives/points we wouldn't bother with it.

>>5330643
The super-long border of death timer when you play as reimu+yukari is what makes IN so easy.You can play as risky as you want and suffer minimal punishment.
IN is the only game i beat on Hard and Extra, while all other games i barely beat on normal.

>>5330714

Still haven't beaten any games on easy, but Touhou is my first top-down shooter. I'm slowly getting better, but I still can't beat shit on Normal.

The border of death mechanic doesn't matter if you can predict that you're about to get hit, or you decide to deliberately get hit to use the ultra-powerful saving bomb...which I've done a few times on Marisa/Alice. I only use Reimu/Yukari because their shot type is the only one that I actually like.

>>5330746

>beaten

Shit, I mean 1cc. The only game that I have done that is SA, and I still have no fucking clue how I did it.

>>5330746
If you can't beat a touhou game on normal, you are a secondary fag, how does that make you feel, tripfriend?

>>5330746
When you are trying to squeeze through some very tight bullet pattern you can not be sure if you are getting hit or not. And when you have to do it every 2 seconds its hard to react fast enough when you finally do get hit.

Agreed, PCB is a joke. The hardest would be SA.

>>5330769
That's not the definition of secondary you idiot.

>>5330770

On the easier ones I have a bit more confidence. Other ones (especially with Marisa/Alice) I go "fuck this shit", focus, get hit and FUCKING FINAL SPARK.

ITT: We will never be able to fully determine which is easiest and which is hardest because we can't fucking agree with one another.

Hardest: SA
Easiest: Toss-up between IN and PCB. PCB has the easier patterns but the mechanics in IN make death bombing a total joke, no matter the character. Border team just makes it so that if you miss a death bomb you're either out of bombs or 100% retarded.

lolwat people really play touhou on easy modo?

>>5330822
Do you have some sort of problem with children in primary school?

>>5330822

I do for the story. I play normal for the challenge.

hardest - SA
easiest - IN , followed by EoSD and IN
im talking about normal mode only.

>>5330801
This
It's all opinion.

There is no Hardest or Easiest Touhou game.

My opinion on this:
-Easiest-
IN
MoF
PCB
EoSD
UFO
SA
-Hardest-
PoFV
StB
DS
-I'm just gonna pretend it doesn't exist-

>>5330840

The story? If you want a bad end for some ridiculous reason just play on normal and botch it instead of easy.

>>5330869

It's consensus that both IN and PCB are pretty damn easy with IN being stupidly easy due to death bomb mechanics. Few will disagree with the fact that SA is hardest, if only because of god damn Orin and her ghosts.

Just to be sure, you need to start with 3 lives to get a proper 1cc, right? If so, I'd say PCB is the easiest.

>>5330890

I can't make it to the end in the games with limited continues. I'd rather see all the levels than get the better endings, because then I'll at least know something to expect on higher difficulties.

On games with unlimited continues, I'd rather not stay on the same fucking level for 2 hours.

I don't really get people, SA was the first game I beat, and I only recently 1CC'd PCB. I thought PCB's random bullet shitfest was much harder than most of SA's patterns (yes, even that fucking cat).

Probably its part motivation, I like the SA cast way more than the PCB cast. I really wanted to play SA extra for Koishi....but Ran? fuck Ran.

Nevertheless:

Easiest: MoF (not with bugged Marisa)
Hardest: PCB

>>5330925
on normal?

UFO on lunatic can go fuck itself.

>>5330953

yes.

>>5330928

When you said you play for the story, I thought you meant you want to see all the endings. But you can't clear PCB on normal with 5 fucking continues? Are you serious? Five fucking continues and you can't do it? With Sakuya that's 60 bombs not counting extends from points or from Chen and Youmu.

Normal Easiest: PCB or IN.
Normal Hardest: I guess SA, a lot of people complain about it. I disagree, but that's probably because I don't play SA Normal.

Lunatic Easiest: SA.
Lunatic Hardest: UFO.

UFO can't be the most rage inducing. That would be either SoEW or PCB.

>>5331012
>UFO can't be the most rage inducing.
>I don't play on anything other than Normal.

It's hard to say, really. If you abuse borders in PCB it can certainly take the edge off, but playing on lunatic for score is still no joke. And while EoSD is not the hardest to 1cc on lunatic, a perfect run is nearly impossible due to the rank system and randomness of the patterns.

Lunatic UFO is just terrible though.

>>5331012

>SoEW

What? We're not talking PC-98 here.

Yet again this thread where people try to measure the difficulty of the Touhou games by how hard it is to 1cc them.

I do not feel like explaining this at length so I will leave it at this: STG difficulty is measured by how hard it is to attain a high score. A 1cc is ASSUMED, and then the countless factors that make up the scoring mechanics of a given shooter are taken into account on top of that.

Up until recently it was really debatable as to which Touhou game was the hardest to score highly in, but UFO has emerged as the single hardest touhou game because of one very simple mechanic:

If you want to take advantage of opportunities to increase your score, you must INTENTIONALLY pass up extra lives. In a well-scoring UFO run you are going to be running on very few lives and bombs the entire game, unlike the others where opportunities for score AND lives are presented at the same time.

So there: UFO is the hardest because it's the hardest to score well in. Not because it's the hardest to 1cc (it's actually one of the EASIEST to 1cc because you can do the same thing in reverse and just get tons of lives and bombs at the cost of a shitty score.)

Prime Minister not related.

>>5331096
We never are

>>5331098

>you must INTENTIONALLY pass up extra lives

Since when is that a rule? The only time that happens is UFO. Every other game a high score and extra lives come hand-in-hand...most you get after collecting a lot of point items, while others you get after hitting a certain score. SA is different in that the only way you can get extra lives is to survive full attacks...and most people don't like using their saving bombs on certain spellcards, so a spellcard get also counts towards your extra life count.

We're talking about difficulty to complete, as we're not scorefags like the Japanese.

>>5331127

>>5331103

Then why was SoEW mentioned?

>>5330925
>fuck ran
You sir, have bad taste in characters.

>>5330925

>that fucking cat

Too bad I don't have a version of this with Orin.

Bern. Shut the fuck up.

>>5331127

Did you actually read my post? I was talking about UFO, and I mentioned that.

>unlike the others where opportunities for score AND lives are presented at the same time.

If you're talking about difficulty to complete then that's very cute I suppose; but like I said, the actual difficulty of the game takes into account the scoring mechanics.

>>5331098

I would say that the risk the player takes to get the ufos is greater in difficulty than simply foregoing extra lives and bombs. You don't die (unintentionally) in a score run and expect to be near the top anyway. At least not in a relatively easier shmup like Touhou.

>>5331098
The difficulty of score runnig is auto adjusting so that kind of metric doesn't make much sense. Even on easy modo, being a top scorer is almost impossible if enough people care to try.

>>5331163

I read the second paragraph because you actually got to the point of which game is most difficult to complete. The first paragraph I read the opening sentence and skipped it because it seemed like you were going to go on about something that was wrong. Sorry.

I don't think most people here care about scoring systems. The only time we see people even start to care about them on /jp/ is when someone posts a thread with a contest challenge...and those aren't done very often.

And the OP was talking about being new to the game, so we're assuming they were concerned about completion only and not scoring. UFO is ridiculous in both regards because of that system, and I certainly hope that something like that is done away with in future games. It simply wasn't fun to worry about a collectible that moves around the fucking screen and occasionally changes colors.

hardest?
PoDD's final Boss or SA
easiest?
Lotus Land Story or IN

>>5331163

Yeah you're right when you say that the actual difficulty can and should be measured by the difficulty in scoring high. But in this thread we are talking about the difficulty of completing the games, even though nobody has explicitly stated that.

>>5331134

The only good thing about Ran is her "casting animation" when she starts certain spells. Looks kinda stylish. Can't say that much about the actual spells though.

>>5331213
Yumemi isn't too hard if you use Marisa. And I think UFO lunatic > SA lunatic.

imo:
hardest - SA, maybe UFO
easiest - PCB or IN

perfect - MoF

>>5331228
>Yumemi isn't too hard if you use Marisa
never tried
>>5331228
>And I think UFO lunatic > SA lunatic.
I always talk about normal mode in these threads

>>5330869
Thread should've ended right here.

Will playing another shmup like HELLSINKER fuck me up when I go back to Touhou?

>>5331314
For a short time.