/jp/ - Otaku Culture

So right now isn't now, but the now before now?

It's shit, right?

Due to the miniscule lag between your brain and your senses, you will always live in the past anyway.

>>5096705
hi me

>>5096705
You misspelled real deal.

>>5096683
t H I ｓ Ｉ s C ｏ P ｙ P A S Ｔ a I Ｆ Ｏ Ｕ N ｄ ｉ t H e R e : Ｈ T t ｐ : / / 8 8 . 8 0 . 2 1 . 1 2 /

>>5096921
So sugoooooooi!

>>5096705
It's average.

>>5096685

In that case, I'll just use my miracle time machine and go straight to the future!

>>5097083
Holy shit. I read that in Megumi's voice.

Get me the scripts and I'll switch my secondary project from Ruriiro to Sugoi-able Heart.

Kururin is love <3

>>5097150
How is work going on Asukimi? Going any faster?

Sugoi

>>5097150
Oh fuck. Someone extract the script, NOW.

Sakurako and Mayuri are love.

>>5097213

It's back on track with the move to TLWiki. A second translator joined the project a couple days ago. He's pretty speedy, too.

>>5097339
That's good, how much is translated so far? I don't expect it to be too much but I'm curious.

>>5097150
Someone hurry up and extract the scripts!

>>5097150
Oh, no you don't. She's mine.

>>5097367

Hard to give an exact amount, since I skip around to different scenes depending on mood, rather than going straight through a file.

Translated:
- everything up to the OP
- character demos (that play if you don't click on the menu) partially trans'd
- days up until 6/6 (day 5) about 1/2 trans'd
- misc other scenes from common route
- most of Rika Route 6/10 by new guy

Someday anon. Someday.

It'll be translated when hearts fly.

;_;

>>5097802
I'll cut out your heart and make it fly. Sacrifice one for the team

bump for sugoi

Anyone make any headway on extracting those scripts?

>>5097806

If he did that then how will he experience the SUGOIness of Flyable Heart?

bump for Flyable Heart, the best moemoe visual novel.

>>5100938
>sage for Flyable Heart

>>5101035
Bumping 'cause I want those scripts.

Really any noiji itoh novel could get translated and I'd be happy. If localizers insist on translating shallow sex romps, they could at least translate one with good art.

>>5096685
I still remember doing my day by day plot line details for each char and getting kicked from jp for bringing it up.

Anyways.
I would like to see this game translated still. There were parts which threw me for a loop and I used best guess.

TBH I have seen worse games. At least this one is tongue in cheek enjoyable.

>>5101057
I'd hardly call FH a sex romp. The game from your pic, Alice Parade, now that's a sex romp.

>>5101153
A shitty one at that

The 'script' for Flyable Heart is located in TEXT.DAT inside data.pac. It's not encrypted or anything but you probably won't be able to deal with it in that form.

>>5101090
I thought that was Coco and Kid from the thumbnail.

>>5101248
I feel sorry for you for thinking that. Yui is quite the cutie but she is in no way the main heroine of the story.

(all storylines must be complete for suzunes storyline)

>>5101035
STOP RUNNING AWAY YOU BITCH, GO BACK TO YOUR OWN THREAD
spoiler related

>>5101216
Yeah, I have that file extracted, but I've got no clue how to turn it into scripts I can actually work with.

>>5101248
How does Yui resemble my waifu?

... How does Shou resemble Sho...nen?

Scripts yet?

bamp

bampu

/jp/ shall be blessed when this gets translated.

>>5096682
S T Ｏ p Ｂ e i n Ｇ Ａ Ｐ s y C ｈ O ｃ o P ｙ Ｃ A Ｔ t Ｈ I Ｅ ｆ Ｍ ｏ ｏ t Ａ k a Ｃ ｈ r i s ｔ O Ｐ H E ｒ p ｏ Ｏ Ｌ E f Ｒ Ｏ ｍ N ｅ ｗ Y O R Ｋ Ｈ Ｔ T P : / / 8 8 . ➇ o . ❷ ❶ . 1 ❷ /

>>5105863

I'm looking forward to Otome Function too.

>>5106227
to what?

>>5101057

Most awesome generic character designs ever.

>>5107620

Google is your friend.

>>5096714
yep, that's why we have reflexes.

>>5101165

It has delicious HCG though.

>>5101056
I played around with the file a bit. Have this for now:
http://www.mediafire.com/?13gluijyj3d

It's not really a pure text file. There's still some binary data but this should be good enough for now. I'll see if I can hack something together to do this properly.
I'm downloading the game right now. What did you use to extract that text.dat file?

>>5110682

Some progress on SUGOI makes me pleased.

>>5110682
Somebody should show this to Dawningblue and see if he'll go through with what he said.

bump

bump

TLwiki is down, what just happened?

>>5112319
you were banned for liking those filthy japs

>>5112319

It changed address. Try http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=Main_Page

So sugoi

>>5111083
You'd better believe I'll go through with it.

But the future refused to change.

>>5113655

I can feel the SUGOI already.

/jp/ only wants what it can't have. When/if this ever gets fully translated, it'll just be the next "disney slice-of-life shit" or whatever.

I hacked FH.exe so it'll read unencrypted/unpacked data directly from the TEXT.DAT file. That'll make things easier when testing your edits. Getting kinda late here. I'll try to finish this tomorrow.

And so the future begins...

Flyable Heart Translation Project START!

FUCK YEAHHHHH!

>>5113866
what happened to kimi no ashita or whatever that game was?

Shouldn't you complete that before starting another game?

Bumping forever.

>>5113926
It's on TLWiki. I've got another translator working with me on it, so there's enough time to do an easy game like Flyable Heart.

>>5101216
Ask RETRANS INTERNATIONAL LEADING-EDGE LOCALIZATION TECHNOLOGY PROVIDER for help.

>>5114077
Make sure you translate consistently and at a decent pace.

>>5114077

Awesome, looking forward to it.

>>5114077
You are a good person.

Oh. That wasn't supposed to happen.

>>5116647

What the fuck is going on.jpg

bump for sugoi.

>>5101090
Protagonist is a good looking guy.

>>5114077
>It's on TLWiki
That doesn't mean shit. It won't magically get translated just because it's on TLWiki.

>I've got another translator working with me on it, so there's enough time to do an easy game like Flyable Heart.
How about you focus on one game and get it done.
Otherwise stop being a tease, because so far you haven't delivered on anything.

>>5117662

Probably because it wasn't hacked yet. The Anonymous in this thread has provided the scripts so we should be getting some form of progress soon.. hopefully.

>>5118131
The problem is that this guy is trying to do two translations at once, when he hasn't even been able to complete his first.

In fact, since his announcement of Ashita on April 11, 2009 till now, he has Scripts Translated: 2/117
Images Edited: 47/108

Don't expect much from someone who could only do 2 scripts in over a year.

Don't take this for a fact or anything, but I -think- that's slower than the Tomoyo After/Ataraxia projects.

>>5118176
It's a she.

>>5118237
And what does it matter that it's a she?

Is that somehow an excuse for the ridiculously slow progess on Ashita?

Will it be the excuse for the slow progress on this project should "she" decide to translate it?

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with "her" translating it.

I just don't want people to assume that "she" will make any real progress when it's been shown that "she" hasn't been able to make progress with Ashita no Kimi in over a years time.

I just don't want everyone to start saying "Oh yeah, Flyable Heart has a translation project." as that could make other potential translators turn the other way when they might be able to make real progress on this.

>>5118324
It doesn't matter at all, I just wanted to point it out.

>>5118444
what's the point in knowing someone's gender on the internet

>>5118176

Hmm, I didn't know that. Thanks for shattering my hopes of SUGOI, Anonymous.

>>5118176
>>5118324
Put it on Rechan and I bet there are people that will translate it. I would help but I'm still reading the game.

>>5121093

On one hand it's a relatively easy read (apparently) but on the other after all the drama faggotry along with the quality level at certain places with Hatsukoi.. I'm not really sure if that's a good idea.

>>5122176
Yeah because TLWiki doesn't have any drama faggotry right?
Anaway, it's way better than a dead project on TLWiki.

I can't comment on Hatsukoi's quality as I haven't seen it myself but didn't they replaced and fixed those already?

Well now that I'm not dealing with computer crashes, hospitalizations, and other crap, AsuKimi has really picked up. As in 2 script files completed so far THIS WEEK. And these are large scripts, somewhere between 500-1000 lines per.

And, yes, I'm a girl. It doesn't matter.

mugenjohncel Well... I tried opening it in Photoshop but it's opaque
mugenjohncel Unlike in Onscripter
mugenjohncel There is a seperate image in black in white
mugenjohncel On this one there is none
mugenjohncel Any pointers?
Yorhel I'm familiar with the BMP format, not with how different programs interpret them >.>
mugenjohncel Any recomendations / programs that can open and display this sprite properly?
mugenjohncel BTW... wanted to see the image?
Yorhel what sprite?
mugenjohncel Well... Flyable Hearts
mugenjohncel I wanted to test and see if I could do a port of it
Yorhel you have a link to the BMP file?
mugenjohncel Give me few moments I'll upload it

mugenjohncel OK here it is
mugenjohncel In the actual game it is surrounded by transparent
mugenjohncel But after extracting it
mugenjohncel It was a BMP
mugenjohncel and I didn't see a seperate alpha channel image
mugenjohncel Found in Onscripter
mugenjohncel Some guy from another channel told me that BMP's like PNG's can also have transparency
Yorhel yes
Yorhel so now the question is whether Onscripter can handle that transparency?
mugenjohncel So I'm trying to figure a way to convert them to PNG while preserving the transparency
mugenjohncel I'm porting them to Renpy

>>5124013


>>5122600

I didn't say that. Stuff put on TLWiki at least has a dedicated team so it has consistent quality throughout. And if there is drama it's generally kept to whatever shithole they decide to lurk at like IRC or whatever.

>>5124047
>>5124052
>flyable heart
>renpy port
>mugenjohncwel

>>5124094

I meant to say

>>5124013

Awesome. Now I'm not sure if I should get my hopes up or not after this thread.

>>5124115
Don't.
Not until someone else decides to do it or this guy completes his first project.

"Side projects" are usually for those that can actually complete a project.

This also not to mention the fact that there are no tools (as far as I know), the guy who was messing with it in this thread hasn't shown up since he left.

>>5124094
Putting a project on TLWiki does not magically spawn a dedicated team for it out of nowhere.

>>5124641
I'm still here, bro. Family visited yesterday. I'll try to do this today. How do I get in touch with that translator guy?

>>5124687
Just upload them to mediafire and post them in this thread.

I'd also like them.

>>5124662

People are interested in Sugoi. Putting it on TLWiki allows those interested to group up and get it done. RETrans is similar but instead of having one or two people dedicated to one job you're getting a handful of randoms who could have the best or worst translations ever seen.

Sugoi bump for the guy doing the tools.

>>5124013

Will you be mai waifu and I'll keep you in a glass box my cellar translating 2ch threads and reading them to me in a Scottish accent?

So, while we wait for the hacker, can /jp/ tell me what other VNs have easy Japanese?

>>5127764

Scottish women sound horrible, why would you want that?

BUMP

Alright, looks like this worked. I'd like to get in touch with the translator before posting anything here. Does anyone know how I can reach him?

>>5129999

I thought she was a TLWiki fag, try having a look there.

>>5129999
dawningbluetranslations@gmail.com

or this thread: http://forums.novelnews.net/showthread.php?t=35810

>>5129999
>>5130196

Looking forward to any progress.

>>5130039
I tried waiting in #tlwiki. Jesus Christ, you guys should have warned me. Whatever, I'll just post it here.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4ljjj0vug5d

I'm not an EXPERT PROGRAMMER so this is more like a quick hack. It does the job, though.

1) Replace your FH.exe with the one I provided. It'll read the unpacked TEXT.DAT.
2) Use exmarupac_v2.exe to unpack your data.pac. Create a folder with the name "data" in your FlyableHeart folder and put the extracted files in there.
3) The script is in text.txt. Edit it and run make_dat_src.pl. You'll need perl for that. It'll create a TEXT.DAT and a SCRIPT.SRC. Put both in the data folder.
4) That's it. Run FH.exe and hope everything went well.

NOTES: Don't change the structure of text.txt as that'll screw shit up. That means you can't insert additional text lines. Also, use <br> if you want a newline in your text line.
<sXX> sets the font size. <s10> is tiny and <50 is huge>. <r text1> text2 </r> adds furigana to text2.
When you start the game with a broken TEXT.DAT or SCRIPT.SRC file it'll crash. Sometimes you'll have to delete continue.dat and system.dat from \Documents\SOFTPAL\ユニゾンシフト\FlyableHeart\save for it to work again, even if you fixed the files.

That's all. Oh, it's probably a good idea to make a safety copy of your game folder before trying this out.

>>5133632

What else were you expecting from IRC?

>>5133664
I don't know, I'm usually in yandere tl's channel and it's pretty cool. Anyway, it'd be great if someone could try this out and let me know how it went.

>>5133632
So did anyone try this out yet? I would do it myself but I'm still downloading the game.

Bump for the tools guy to get feedback.

You guys better keep this project on the board or host it at C&Dwiki, TLwiki is full of fags.

>>5137642
C&Dwiki dev marketing.

>>5133632
Anon delivers! Also, bump.

Did a quick test with the tools, worked well for me.

Looks like we're just missing a translator now.

>>5138291

Excellent.

>>5137642
How big is the script? If it's not large, REtrans International can host it. We only need data files in standards-compliant CSV format.

Validation and other issues will of course be beyond our responsibility.

>>5139200
>REtrans
Avoid this like the plague, guys.
You will get all kinds of "management" and drama bullshit in return for nothing you couldn't do yourselves.

>>5139338
Read carefully. We'll only host the scripts and nothing else. You can ask for our other services too.

Well, if you're looking at doing an open/community translation project TLWiki is still the best choice. The other options are too terrible to contemplate.

If you don't like that, get a translator and team and set up shop with a private SVN.

...and here come the trolls...

>Scroll through the thread for "but the future refused to change"
>don't find it
>be disappoint

>>5139379
MediaWiki actually sucks.

Its only purpose is to run Wikipedia. It's huge and heavy, and the code is nasty and convoluted, and the developers only care about anything you have to add or request as long as it doesn't affect how Wikipedia runs. Its full-text search is so highly defective that nearly everyone who wants to search for something on Wikipedia will just use Google instead. The wiki syntax is a horrible, nasty pile of hacks, it's monstrously incongruent (for one example of many, why are internal links double-brackets with a pipe separating target and text, but external links have to be single brackets with a space separating them?) and often it's easier or even necessary to fall back to writing plain HTML because it's either inflexible or simply lacking syntax outright for something. And you don't even get to write proper HTML, it's this bastardized "cleaned" version that strips out useful things like image links (this requires installing an extension, despite half of all websites in the world using an image as a link at some point or another), and integrating logins with other web services is nothing short of painful.

>>5139471
I'm aware of all this - out of the currently available places to host an open translation project however, TLWiki is still the best option (simply because the other options are also wikis or Retrans). Terrible design and popularity are good friends unfortunately, MediaWiki is one example, Adobe is another.

>>5139580
At least with REtrans you don't have to submit a huge chunk of the script just to make a little change, and it was designed for translation projects.

Hello!

>>5139471
> MediaWiki actually sucks.

I've been saying this forever. But everyone only wants MediaWiki and whines when something else is used.

Let's just use TLwiki for now. It's the best choice. If you're scared of C&Ds, copy the whole script from the wiki to your computer regularly.

>>5140210
Haha. No.

Retrans only works on csv, good luck finding someone willing to convert the script to csv and back.

>>5140244
Are you implying that's worse than having to go to TLwiki?

>>5140244
5 seconds in Excel.

>>5140244
We can do it, give us a day or two to understand the script format.

>>5140259
Not really. Both options are pretty shitty but retrans is probably the less tedious option.

MediaWiki: Split the 4mb text file into 50KB chunks
Retrans: Convert to csv and back

Both of these are pretty trivial to code but you'll have to organize the page and link to the 50KB chunks manually if you use MediaWiki.

>>5140272
Then what are you waiting for, do it.

>>5140284
>MediaWiki doesn't support files larger than 50KB

>>5140305
That's not why I limited it to 50KB.
You obviously haven't attempted to translate a large script on MediaWiki.

>>5140284
Third option: Use a revision control system like SVN.

Is the script in Flyable Heart seriously just one huge file? I don't remember any game other than Tsukihime doing that.

>>5140518
I believe that's more a side-effect of the hacking method.

Also, I'm getting the feeling that the people talking about TLWiki editing don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>5140569
No, they really did just put everything in one script. Maybe they had more scripts and compiled them into this.

I tried converting the script to csv using excel and it ended up corrupted. ;_;
Trying it again.

>>5140518
All NScripter game scenarios are just one giant textfiles.

>>5140657
Done.
http://www.mediafire.com/?oofrmiiznnk

>>5140717
Just finished converting it to csv too.
http://www.mediafire.com/?iiy4udiwdzd

>>5140717
In this case, we can have the scripts loaded and ready-to-edit within an hour. Proceed?

>>5140809
Just do it.

>>5140809
Translators dislike ReTrans, TLWiki has the upside of attracting people other than /jp/ visitors.

>>5140809
What about that guy who said he'd translate it. Did he ever show up again? If so, wouldn't it better to ask him?

Flyable heart 2 is due out in less than a month...

>>5140809
Oh no, not fucking Cudder.

Since both seems to be hated.
Why not have two projects, one on TLWiki and one on Retrans.
Problem solved.

I actually recommend the C&D wiki, if anything. I thought Moogy was making TLwiki serve as mere status pages? If that is indeed case, doesn't it defeat the purpose of hosting a project on an open translation wiki considering no actual files are being hosted?

>>5140918
>I thought Moogy was making TLwiki serve as mere status pages?
That was just for the SubaHibi project, all other projects can still host files on Wiki if they wish to.

>>5140922
>...all other projects can still host files on Wiki if they wish to get C&Ded.
I think that's a fairer statement.

>>5140918
see
>>5139471
>>5140284

>>5140840
Upload is under way.
>>5140848
Are you a translator? Have you tried the new AJAX interface?

And you're going to have to find another manager for this project, I'll just be doing the site maintenance.

>>5140965
Fuck no.

http://flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com/

How to use should be self-explanatory. In the record editor, click on a column number to view that column alongside the non-translated version. To edit a line, click on it and start editing.

You can submit the whole batch of changes using the button at the bottom of the page.

And you can leave all the names alone for now. We can change them all with a simple

UPDATE scripts SET text='engname' WHERE text='japname';

>>5141022
Site is not loading.

>>5141034
Works fine here, but I'm not a translator.

I suppose it's time to see whether this gets anywhere.

>>5141051
You can watch here:
http://flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com/recent.PHP?proj=flyableheart&file=00000-12287.txt

>>5140853
Anon has apparently decided they can't trust a girl. It seems that posessing a vagina interferes with one's ability to translate. I'm still going forward with the project, though, because I love Flyable Heart.

>>5141505
You're the one who keeps bringing up that you're a girl, that doesn't change the fact that you won't make any progress on it, just like you haven't made any progress on Ashita.

>>5141505
It's not about your gender. It's about your previous track record.
No one cares about your gender.

>>5141505
So, did you start doing FH yet? How's it going?

>>5140965
>And you're going to have to find another manager for this project, I'll just be doing the site maintenance.
You mean you'll be doing nothing, as per usual, Cudder? What a surprise. Your idea of 'management' seems to be spamming /jp/ with your shitty threads 24/7, while giving no praise to the few people who actually help you. You ungrateful cunt.

>>5142654

Hi Lennar.

>>5142654
ALL OF MY HATE

The project hasn't even took of yet and we already have faggotry. ;_;

>>5142930
This is why we shouldn't use REtrans, the sheer amount of pointless shit and drama discourages anyone from actually doing any work.

>>5142677
>>5142820
I was under the impression Lennar loves Cudder's dick. I'm not Lennar, I just hate Cudder because he is a shitty and useless 'manager' and regardless of how many trademarks he applies to his posts, he still isn't professional.

Use one of the two wikis, or an SVN, instead if you guys are serious. REtrans will bring nothing but pointless drama.

>>5143036
Listen to this man. This project will die a horrible death if we leave it on REtrans.

Please explain to me why the fuck you fags used REtrans instead of C&Dwiki.

>>5142945
>>5142958
>>5143036
>>5143121
Sup that one guy who always trolls the Hatsukoi threads.

>>5143147
Sup Cudder

>>5143147
Stop being a fag, cudder. Just because we don't want your shitty site ruining another project doesn't mean we're trolling.

>>5143172
>>5143179
2 different people. So at least another 2 people hate Cudder's guts. Excellent.
>>5143147
Fuck off Cudder.

I'm not Cudder. I just find it sad that one troll can have so much influence just from continually shitposting.

>>5143227
It isn't one troll. And it isn't a troll. Fuck off, Cudder.

>>5143227
How the fuck is it trolling when we just want the project to move somewhere where it won't be held back by shitty drama?

>>5143139
Because Cudder put the files up. I don't think anybody is using anything yet.

Out of the two Wikis, it would be best to start with TLWiki. Even if the danger of C&D is there, no matter how small, it's worth it. TLWiki is a lot more known than C&DWiki, so you can easily get the group together there, even if you'd switch to some other site later.

>>5143276
How do we go about getting the project set up on TLwiki?

>>5143399
http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=Starting_a_New_Project

Btw guys, don't use Windows. That evil Bill Gates just cause drama.

>>5143276
>>5143399
>TLwiki
You've got to be shitting me, after all this drama you guys get back to those faggots? I'm horribly disappointed, don't you guys dare to cry when your project gets a C&D.

>>5143467
Read what (>>5143276) has to say.
>Even if the danger of C&D is there, no matter how small, it's worth it. TLWiki is a lot more known than C&DWiki, so you can easily get the group together there, even if you'd switch to some other site later.

If shit does go down, we can move to C&DWiki. Starting off on TLwiki is good because it allows us to gather up some members and the like first.

Don't mind reiserFS he's the one who created C&D wiki so he's just a little butthurt.

TLWiki is the most mainstream so you have the best chances of getting more help. Not sure if the Japanese IP blocking will stop the C&D threat but, time will tell. C&D Wiki functions the same way, just without the potential unexpected help you might get from more people commuting the site(the chances for that help are pretty low to begin with anyway).

The reason RETrans sucks for Hatsukoi is because it was a project with multiple translators. When you have multiple translators you have multiple levels of quality, and some of it is bound to be bad. Thus you need a system that lends itself to quick and easy checking of the translation quality. RETrans prevents this, making it much more of a pain than it has to be.

I translated a little... in notepad. Was dead bored.
Neither English or Japanese is my native, so don't expect much. Probably won't be of any use if a professional translator shows up.
Maybe you can use it as an example of how to not translate or trick someone into translating the rest.

http://pastebin.com/XZNrz4Cb

>>5143467
Like others have said, it's all about getting the additional help. Fact is, shit won't move if we don't have people working on it, and the chances of us getting more efficient people is higher on tlwiki.

>>5143563
>Wait a second, I have not eaten anything yet...
Have not needs to become 'haven't', no one says 'have not'. I can't speak Japanese, but yeah.

>>5143503
>If shit does go down, we can move to C&DWiki.
I'm sorry, but you'll have to search for another wiki then. I don't support any project that crawls onto Moogy.

>>5143642
Wow, you make Cudder look like the administrator of the year

>>5143642

C and D wiki is a shitty troll site. Two inactive projects and no more will ever come.

Just start the project on all 3 choices and see which one picks up steam. Problem solved.

Lay off the drama, the project hasn't even started yet. Not really the best way to start the project.

>>5143193
Everyone hates cudder.

Having a project on TLWiki does not magically grant you a dedicated team. See how many dead & abandoned projects they host.

>>5143585
I say "have not" all the time.

>>5143642
I would rather be somewhere where I might get a C&D than have a project at the mercy of a troll like you.

>>5143642
I was under the impression that the purpose of a C&D wiki was to host projects that were C&D elsewhere.

Probably the best method to host a project (without a preexisting team), is to put up a TLWiki page, then host it elsewhere (preferably a private SVN), and then use an IRC channel or some other similar method for communication with methods of how to contact the team. Having a TLWiki page allows a broad audience to see there is a project looking for help, while hosting it elsewhere eliminates the risk of a C&D, and even if a C&D comes hopefully you have a solid team by then. Look at Kara no Shoujo, while that got C&D, it was able to get a solid team together, and now they just are hosting it elsewhere and continuing with a strong team.

so are we stuck with REtrans now?

It's rather amusing that the *wiki proponents are mainly making ad-hominems at Cudder, while the REtrans proponents are talking about the inefficiency of using a wiki.

Someone might want to check these lines.

>>5145369
Except I've yet to see an inefficiency example that actually affects the user - it all seems to be backend issues to me, which have no effect on the translators.

Also, everyone hating Cudder and all the RETrans drama isn't ad hominem but fact.

This guys method is the best, honestly, until some git troll comes in with how SVN is horrible too:

>>5143898

>>5145621
How about:
- Script has to be broken into 50KB chunks resulting in over 60 pieces for this one
- Needing to submit all of those 50KB just to make a little correction
- Convoluted markup syntax that can mess with scripts (this one has < and >, for example)

The only thing REtrans doesn't have is the project introduction page and related paraphernalia, which probably would be suited to storage on a wiki. Truthfully, the wiki platform has grown old and the deficiencies are becoming apparent.

>>5145800

Actually that's a decent idea. They could throw up a quick wiki or whatever to act as the front page and introduce whatever they have hosted then the translating/editing can be done using the current RETrans system. But whatever, I don't really care as long as I get some SUGOI at the end of it.

You do not need to break the script into 50KB chunks... In fact, I've worked on a 350 KB file over on TLWiki before.

Granted, REtrans would be fine once it addresses the problem stated in >>5143523

Until then it loses by default

Regardless of whether you use mediawiki or retrans for your project, it will succeed if you have motivated translators and fail if you don't.
If I were you, I'd avoid retrans for its propensity to incite drama, but really, does it matter at all what you use to store and edit your scripts? Use whatever your translator likes, since that is the only important person in the project at this point.

>>5145852
>Thus you need a system that lends itself to quick and easy checking of the translation quality.
You mean like this?
http://flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com/transproj_ajax.PHP?proj=flyableheart&file=00000-12287.txt&a
mp;start=0&col=2

>>5145898
That should say
.txt&start=0&col=2

...damn bug in the board script.

>>5145898
Yes, like that...


How the fuck do you do that?

>>5145863
Except we don't have one, unless you count the one that won't get anything done. Chances are if they do manage to get a translator, they're going to use TLWiki because it's what they know and everybody on /jp/ seems to hate RETrans.

>>5145800
The first is unique to this project - most scripts are already broken up. The second is a backend issue until you can actually show me why the user gives a damn. The third doesn't matter as most people know how to use wiki-markup now.

For editing, I'd favour simply using a private SVN with a project page on a wiki.

>>5145934
>>5141022

>>5145942
For the record, there's a translator working on it right now.

Whatever system you use, don't act like submissive fucktards when you get a C&D. The only reason why this drama exists in the first place is because Moogy and the other morons at the TLWiki delude themselves into thinking that the eroge companies' decisions have some sort of irrefutable merit (or the ability to sue) and comply, as opposed to just ignoring them altogether. Just delete the C&D messages and ban the imbeciles that try to vandalize the pages. It's that simple.

God, whatever happened to the basic concept of giving the cold shoulder?

Whatever system you use, stop acting like submissive fucktards whenever the site gets a C&D. The only reason why this drama exists in the first place is because Moogy and the other morons at TLWiki delude themselves into thinking that the eroge companies possess some sort of irrefutable merit in their decisions (or even the ability to sue) and comply with their requests, as opposed to just ignoring them altogether.

If you ever get a C&D, just delete the message, add their email address to the spam filter, and ban any imbeciles that try to vandalize the pages. It's that simple.

God, whatever happened to the basic concept of giving the cold shoulder?

Whatever system you use, stop acting like submissive fucktards whenever you get a C&D. The only reason why this drama exists in the first place is because Moogy and the other morons at TLWiki delude themselves into thinking that the eroge companies possess some sort of irrefutable merit in their decisions (or even the ability to sue) and comply with their requests, as opposed to just ignoring them altogether.

If you ever get a C&D, just delete the message, add their email address to the spam filter, and ban any imbeciles that try to vandalize the pages. It's that simple.

God, whatever happened to the basic concept of giving the cold shoulder?

>>5146054
Moralfags.

>>5146090

That certainly explains it.

Who needs all those feminists when we've got moralfags in the translation community sabotaging their own projects?

>>5146018
Other than dawning blue?

>>5146300
I don't know, who's q6hkVb7A? We had one last night which began with n0mZ

This is simply sugoi!

>>5146663
Someone shoop some rabbit ears on her.

There's a lack of SUGOI in this thread

>>5147467

Nothing to sugoi about.jpg

>>5147467
>There's a lack of translators in this thread

>>5146054
I don't think you realize what happens really.

You will never SUGOI ;_;

So what happened to the project?

>>5147884

What the hell is there not to understand what happens? Minori and the other eroge companies either email you asking you to take the patches down, mess with your wiki pages and creates drama on the discussion pages, and you guys ultimately comply with their requests.

Why the hell is so difficult to just ignore them when they give out the C&Ds?

And so what if they might even try to shut the site down? Why the hell is it so difficult to just find another ISP and keep doing what you do?


And don't even pull that "lawsuit" bullshit on me. These cater to less than 2% of the Japanese population and barely manage to sell 3000~4000 copies for most of their titles. Do you honestly think they possess the resources to carry out a class-action suit against a foreign entity? They can't even band together and lobby against government legislation against H-games in their own country, for fucks sake.

>>5147884

What the hell is there not to understand what happens? Minori and the other eroge companies either email you asking you to take the patches down, or they mess with your wiki pages and create drama on the discussion pages. Either way, you guys ultimately try to make them happy and render downloads inaccessible from your sites, regardless of your intention to release it "underground".

Why the hell is so difficult to just ignore them when they give out the C&Ds?

And so what if they might even try to shut the site down? Why the hell is it so difficult to just find another ISP and keep doing what you do?


And don't even pull that "lawsuit" bullshit on me. These cater to less than 2% of the Japanese population and barely manage to sell 3000~4000 copies for most of their titles. Do you honestly think they possess the resources to carry out a class-action suit against a foreign entity? They can't even band together and lobby against government legislation against H-games in their own country, for fucks sake.

>>5148303
n0mZ is translating again.

>>5148312

>They can't even band together and lobby against government legislation against H-games in their own country, for fucks sake.

That's because it can't be helped.

>>5148336

>Hello, I like to spew pure, grade-S bullshit.

>>5148343

No, seriously. The Japanese don't protest shit.

They have this AGGRAVATING mentality that "there's nothing I can do about it, so I shouldn't bother trying" that ends up just letting their government do whatever the hell it wants, and that's not how democratic systems are supposed to work. The only country worse about this is Australia. Christ.

Frankly, I'm surprised that the Japanese government hasn't banned eroge altogether yet. They clearly want to, and it's not like the worthless otaku would do anything about it.

>>5148358
You forgot England

>>5148358

Then that's their problem. But I fail to see why they feel confident enough to go after some small-time translators halfway across the planet when they can't even get the guts to deal with the threats in their own backyard.

>>5148312
Because you take it down and continue. It's that simple. You won't gain anything by dramaing around.

>>5148358
Pretty much everyone living in the Western world has similar mentality. Apathy is universal.

The only exception being Greece, they know how to riot.

Then that's their problem. But I fail to see why they feel confident enough to go after some small-time translators halfway across the planet when they can't even deal with the threats in their own backyard.

Besides, that doesn't explain all those fucking mangaka that are trying to stop the Tokyo government from passing the loli ban. A few artists can put a dent in their legislation, but a few companies can't? Pretty shows how worthless those eroge companies are, and even more worthless for the idiots that bend over backwards to their C&Ds.

>>5148383

People in the US and Canada seem to take a bigger interest in politics, though.

Even if there's few actual protests, it's still better than, well, none.

>>5148381

Excuse me, but "dramaing" wouldn't happen if you didn't take it down, not the other way around--Get it right.

Besides, why do you even have to take it down? What on Earth compels you to render your downloads more inaccessible if the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of TLWiki is to make these things more accessible? You won't even have to deal with drama from either the companies or the fans if you just fucking deleted their C&Ds and put their email addresses in the spam filter.

>>5148403
I give up, bro. Whatever makes you feel sleep easier.

>>5148385
Stop being retarded there is no "loli ban", it was "underage nudity ban". They intended to ban anything that could be underage of having any nudity.

>>5148435

I sleep easy already because I don't try to waste my time worrying about people from halfway across the globe, unlike you pricks.

>>5148470

It was a ban of "characters who appear to be underage" in "sexual situations".

A certain reading of that bill would have banned all existing anime and manga.

I think the game isn't supposed to be one huge script file.
There are script names mixed in the script.
Ex: http://flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com/recedit.PHP?proj=flyableheart&file=12288-24575.txt&row=
2217
>共通1002_003b

>>5148495
They're probably more labels than anything else.

Our good translator n0mZ is chewing through the script at a pretty decent pace. Keep being SUGOI!

>>5148493
That was what it more or less intended to do. Did you really think they cared only about prepubescent characters in sexual relation? They'd want to ban anything that looks underage, is underage or could be underage. Which would mean ban about almost everything as 99% anime happen in HIGH SCHOOL. The characters are definitely not 18 there.

>>5148561
Unless said characters have been repeating grades.

So did everyone gave up starting it on TLWiki? I'm not seeing a Flyable Heart project there.

>>5149163
It's on RETrans. Don't ask why.

>>5148561
Don't most eroges say that the characters are 18 or older, even if it's a blatant lie?

So has the future begun yet?

>>5149388
We might be in the present.

>>5149388
Needs more translators.

So, is this definitely staying on REtrans?

>>5149435

So it can end up like Hatsukoi?

>>5149235
About that, how the fuck can they have something like B Gata where everyone is underage?
Is it OK as long as they don't show them explicitly having sex?

I'm willing to do TLWiki page for this, but are you guys fine with that? Do you want to keep the project on RETrans?

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>>5150302

Why don't you just make the Wiki page and link the RETrans site in it? Works both ways then.

>>5150302
Do it, then let the idiots figure out which one to use.

>>5150302
Go for it. At the very least, it'll attract some people that're willing to do work on it, which is what we currently need.

http://tlwiki.tsukuru.info/index.php?title=Flyable_Heart

There you go. I suck with Wikis so yeah.

>>5150489
now you need to put the script file on TLWiki so that we can stop using retrans

I just noticed this

>It required installing Apache and then jumping through a bunch of other hoops, but I have gotten the JP IP block working. Anyone in Japan who attempts to view the site will be redirected to Google instead. Have a nice day. Moogy (talk) 20:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

So it's pretty much safe to stay on TLwiki, right?

>>5150638
yeah.

on TLWiki you won't have to deal with the retrans bullshit

>>5150524
Wouldn't it be better to split the script(or re-extract it) as indicated in >>5148495 ?

>>5150951
Better in what way?

>>5150968
Easier for management and counting progress. And it's horrible translating one huge file for days.

>>5150489
Sugooooooi!

So the current hacking method requires manual line-breaks, right? Yeah, I think we're going to need an automatic method before anything will come of this.

>>5150987
It's already split into 12K chunks. Six of them, which means over 500K each.

>>5150524
Leaving it alone with a link is good enough. It's already been said multiple times that huge files are a pain to deal with, and the current interface conveniently hides that bulk allowing you to deal with the lines rather effortlessly.

>>5152757
The REtrans guys probably have a solution for that coming soon.

>>5153071
>The REtrans guys
What RETrans guys? There was a hacker who gave us the script and something to start with and a couple of translators of unknown quality - there's no known team working on this.

>>5153135
Follow the Hatsukoi project and you'll know. They're the ones who developed and maintain the interface.

>>5141022

I've got a question.
Is there going to be a link to DL text.txt? Will you generate a new text.txt from the contents of the wiki each certain number of lines (say, after every 2000 lines translated)?
Thanks

>>5153162
Except Cudder has explicitly said several times in this thread they're not doing anything beyond hosting.

>>5153606
>You can ask for our other services too.

>>5153747
Because we really want Cudder managing this project, don't we? God no.

>>5153761
>implying that's the only other service they provide

>>5154530
>>5153761
Either way, we need to sort something out. Let's this shit sorted out quickly and efficiently so it can progress smoothly.

>>5153576
text.txt? I don't know what that is, but we can generate text.dat easily, script.src still needs to be inspected so we can correctly reassemble it using the new text.dat. This should theoretically enable inserting/removing lines and most of the other things associated with complete knowledge of the script format.

SUGOI BUMP

Bump, sugoi etc.

We're lacking in SUGOI!

>>5155865
>>5157500
>>5158123
reported

>>5158132
Counter reported

I added the project to the main projects page on TLwiki, hopefully it'll attract some people.

>Oops! Firefox could not find flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com

What

>>5159013
Hahaha oh wow, did Cudder get butthurt and take it down?

>>5159013
so much for that, huh?

>>5159013
This is perfect.

Lets move on from that drama filled shithole and continue the translation on TLWiki

Maybe someone should jump on their IRC and see if anyone's interested in helping?

<~Moogy> freewebhostx.com is the best place to host your projects

What

>>5159013
>>5159037
>>5159485
>>5159499
freewebhostx as a whole is down, not just the project page.

Where do you guys meet on IRC? Rizon?

>>5160131
I don't think anyone here uses the channel, but it's #tlwiki on rizon.

>>5159871
As in, keep the main project info on TLwiki and host the scripts somewhere else on disposable hosting. This is a good idea.

Add this line to your HOSTS file for continued access to the site:
69.162.119.163 flyabletrans.freewebhostx.com

It's just like when 4chan's DNS went down.

>>5160553
still not loading for me.

>>5160702
Flush your DNS cache. Works fine here.

Link the new thread here whenever it's made since this is past the bump limit.

Would it be ok to go ahead and start editing the translated stuff now, or would it be better to wait until a significant amount's done first?

>>5161467
Does the work so far look like it needs editing?

>>5161453
>>5163080