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I keep trying.. Losing interest and quitting. I learned all the kana and some general things about the Japanese language as a whole first. When I got to the kanji I memorized probably 20 something then got discouraged and temporarily quit learning. I'd probably only watch raw anime anyway. I need motivation. I really want to learn it, but it seems like the language itself is trying to keep me from it. On and kun were major turn offs for me. I get to a kanji card and it has tons of shit, and I don't know which attributes of the kanji would be of importance to learn.. I doubt I could learn all the attributes of every often used kanji if I devoted the rest of my life to it.

Ah, despair.

>>5074194
Man up.

I learn writing and meaning. I only learn readings from how a character is used. For example

魔法　まほう
方法　ほうほう
法律　ほうりつ

If 法 has some sound other than ほう, well, I'll just learn it when I find a word that uses it.

The writing part helps you remember.

>>5074199

I want to man, I want to. It's like the only thing I truly have an interest in learning, and has been for the last few years. I am weaksauce, and have quite the pitiful memory bank.

>>5074214
It's like bitter medicine.

Just chug it down, bro.

It'll get easier to say "okay, today I'll work on my kanji"

>>5074214
you get better at memorising things. its an improvable skill

>>5074246
Even if I am almost 25? If so, there may be hope for me yet.

I seem to never learn my moonrunes. I seem to only learn from repeatedly encountering them in texts, and most kanji aren't repeated often enough within a short time frame or spaced out over a larger time frame.

In other words, my brain only stores kanji I seem to encounter often enough to be considered worth remembering.

>>5074257
my 45 year old auntie moved to Toulouse 2 years ago. I visited her a few months ago and she could speak fluent french

I learn them in the context of words. For some kanjis I momorize tier individual readings.

>>5074270
Also writing the kanjis is very usefuk because you deposit them in your muscle memory.

I learn my moonrune by using it in a practical manner every day since i was 2 years old. You should too.

moonspeak takes practice

>how do you learn your moonrunes?
Eroge everyday.

Got inspired to "practice" with AGTH, but the random game I picked has troubles with breaking lines too often.

Anyone know how to tell it to not break lines on things like "," and "..."? I got the impression it might have to do with the numbers in paragraph split parameters, but they don't tell me much.

>>5074326
Which game is it?

>>5074246
This. When I first started learning kanji I had to write them over and over like 60 times or so to get it. And I had to keep reading it in context over and over to finally get it to stick. Now I only have to write them down about ten times to get it.

I've taken too long of a break from studying mine. I'm somewhere in the 400s but I never write them out. I'll start doing that after I make the flashcards.

Well, I don't have a problem with memorizing kanji, the most troubling part is remembering the stroke order for me. I can generally remember the readings.
It's really the grammar that gets me, I'm on the sixth chapter of Elementary Japanese, and I'm getting ready to give up. Haven't studied in around 3 days. ;_;

I scribble out 20 or 30 a day, use Anki, and write the ones I miss again.

>>5074640
Don't let the breaks get to you bro. I took a small break a few weeks ago. No, actually, make that months.
Getting back into it takes a lot of effort

My current powerlevel is at least picrelated(I know at least one word with each marked moonrune and know meaning of moonrune, there are more moonrunes with known meaning, but unknown pronouncation, I didn't mark them).

I have small python program that shows word with kanji and asks how to write it in hiragana(so for 自動販売機 it expects じどうはんばいき). If I type word incorrectly, it shows both hiragana and translation. I don't really try to memorize translation. FWIW, it memorized automagically along the way.

I tried some software which emulates flashcards, but meh. With typing I remember kanji better.

Also I write exercises from start Genki, replacing as much hiragana with kanji as I can, and I write not only answers to exercises, but questions too. (When I do exercises, I I also play with verbs - replacing masu form with more plain form)
For extra hard exercises, I go to vndb.org and try to translate screenshots using edict for unknown kanji.

>how do you learn your moonrunes?
advice - try as much methods as you can. Anki, several kanji games here and there, write down everything in one order, write down everything in other order, etc, etc.
And throw away what you don't like.

I know this thread is about kanji, but I've always wondered, why are there 2 "regular" alphabets? I know Katakana is used for for foreign loanwords and what not, but why can't Hiragana be used for them as well?

>>5074788
Because then it would be confusing for whatever reason.

>>5074788
>I know uppercase letters are used for for the beginning of sentences and what not, but why can't lowercase letters be used for them as well?

>>5074788
Not only foreign words, katakana is equivalent to our italics.

>>5074835
No it isn't. Italics resemble the normal characters of the alphabet. Katakana are entirely different characters from hiragana.

>>5074788
cursive, lower and upper case letters. If you think about it, English has 4 alphabets.

>>5074885
All those characters look exactly alike, they're as different as Verdana is different from Arial.

>>5074885
Hey, they can be bold too, that's eight!

Except only lower- and uppercase are any different, meaning you're a retard.

I went through Heisig and then just started reading stuff I like while adding things I consider important/interesting to my Anki deck. I already knew most grammar through watching too much anime and paying attention to what the characters say so getting started wasn't too hard. Coupled with me having too much free time it worked pretty well.
You might think that Heisig is useless unless you want to actually write Japanese by hand but I think it really helps knowing those characters beforehand.

>>5074897
A lot of them actually don't, though.

>>5074848
I believe he means in usage, as in the way we use italics sometimes to write non-English words and in the way we use it for emphasis.

English has two alphabets as well, the capital alphabet and the lowercase alphabet. Some are quite similar, sure, but what similarities are there between q and Q? similarly some Katakana are very similar to their hiragana リ・り　に・ニetc. Not sure if you're just trolling but it has a purpose.

>>5074910
Cursive is pretty different.

>>5074922
Leaning the letters a bit make them oh-so different?

Retardation confirmed.

>>5074922
But not really any different in meaning. It might impart some "elegance" to what's being written, but if you want to split hairs that badly then Japanese has cursive script as well.

>>5074931
He's probably talking about joint writing.

>>5074931
>He doesn't know the difference between italics and cursive!

>>5074788
They did several centuries ago(though it was katakana). They changed their mind and use both now. Seems like they like it for some reason.

Serious question, what's the difference between cursive and italics?

>>5074966
Well, wiki says:
>In typography, italic type is a cursive typeface based on a stylized form of calligraphic handwriting.

So I guess italics is a subset of cursive, in that italics is one type of cursive.

anki with JLPT decks
don't look at on/kun readings
look at kanji and figure out definition, 1 on and 1 kun reading
if I get definition right but others wrong, mark as "Hard." if I get definition right, mark "Again." if I get all three, mark as "Very Easy."
write out the tough ones

i'm 40 kanji away from finishing JLPT 3, and I've been studying for about 4 days.

>>5074986
Problem is that if you don't repeat those kanji you'll forget most of them in a couple of weeks.

>>5074966
Cursive = >>5074946 letters are joint
Italics = letters are leaned. L(|_) becoming ム (/_)

>>5074996
Psst

Italics are also considered cursive

>>5074986

>if I get definition wrong, mark "Again."

>>5074966
Italics is a change in the style of characters, often made to look like cursive writing. Cursive is (originally) handwriting made so it all connects into one stroke.

>>5074994

anki takes care of that, too.
Again = repeat almost immediately
Hard = repeat in a couple of hours
Easy/Good = repeat in a couple of days
Very Easy = repeat in a couple of weeks

the one fatal flaw of Anki is not being able to do the cards reversed (as in showing the definition and guessing the kanji).

>>5074994
He's using Anki which is a spaced repetition program. They're going to show up again in longer and longer intervals.

>>5075005
what the hell is a Psst

>>5075035
Onomatopoeia

>>5075026
>the one fatal flaw of Anki is not being able to do the cards reversed (as in showing the definition and guessing the kanji).

Dude, what?

>>5075026
You can do that by creating a new card template.
Settings -> Deck properties -> Edit -> Card Templates

Though this only works if you split up your cards properly into fields. Or maybe I'm understanding you wrong and all you have to do is create production cards which you can do in the card browser and clicking Actions -> Generate Cards.

>>5075053
of what? a mosquito?

>>5075067
Man, you don't even know what "psst" is? Jeebus.

>>5075067
you are a mosquito

>>5075058

if you gave me a japanese sentence, I would be able to read it. (J -> E)
but if you asked me to write a sentence in japanese, I would have a difficult time. (E -> J)

at least, I think I would.

>>5075083
Well, he's a pest for sure.

>>5075067
That would be "bzzt".

Come on, psst is obvious, how can you not get it?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/psst

>>5075090
That's quite normal with any language you learn, though. Something to do with active and passive vocabulary and stuff like that.

>>5075090
"The pleasure of being cummed inside"

>>5074788
Because it's convenient for people who actually know the language.

smart.fm MOTHERFUCKER. CAN YOU USE IT?

Hm, is there such a deck where key is nothing but Kanji itself and the answer is On, Kun and meaning? Cause guessing only meaning is too easy while having only meaning for a key is too hard.

愚かな外人ね。貴方の日本語が下手ですよ。

>the one fatal flaw of Anki is not being able to do the cards reversed (as in showing the definition and guessing the kanji).

I find the flaw to be more that there is no obvious pause button so when you forget to run Anki a few months you have hundreds of kanji to step through and you just stop using it.

>>5075197
I am not so sure that you are good at my native language as well.

>>5075198
You are a fool. You can make a reverse model in 4 seconds. You can make a god damn model to do anything you want.

>>5075280

4 seconds? to type out the definition, on/kun and kanji? i don't think so.

even I could do 1/minute, it would take me a good 32-33 hours to do all 1945 jouyou. fuck that.

>>5075198
That's not a flaw. You really *do* need to repeat all those characters Anki tells you to repeat.

>>5075306
No. Your deck contains the data. Your model provides a view of the data. Suppose your deck has
1) the kanji character
2) the english keyword
3) an example sentence
4) the furigana

You can make a model to show as the question card the english keyword. The answer will be the kanji. This is normal.

You can also make a model to show as the question card the kanji. The english keyword is the answer. This is your 'reverse'

Alternatively you can make the model display whatever you want from your data on whichever side.

>>5075074
maybe because english is not my first language? or my second? or third?

It's times like these I realize Kanjidicks is actually teaching me. Thanks Kanjidicks.

>>5075335
I'm the one who wrote it, and English isn't my first language either.

>>5075344
What does circled/slashed mean respectively?

And you don't know the number four?

>>5075354
I switched to slashes because circling everything was annoying.

There are more on the chart I know I just missed them because I went about looking for them haphazardly.