/jp/ - Otaku Culture

but I don't want to.

>>5074494
not so good

Now why would I want to?

But the weekend is the only time I can act like a hikkikomori anymore.

Oh damn it's the weekend already.

>>5074492
Saturday? What is this day you speak of?

I hate Misaki, what a slut.

>>5074574
This.

>>5074574
What makers her a slut?

>>5074607
She never leaves the protagonist alone, sprouting all this "you can change your hikikomori ways!". The truth is, hikikomori don't want to be helped. They just want to fap to loli and reside on the intarwebs in peace. Just like a 3DPD girl, she wants to change someone even though she has no business doing so.

>>5074619
But hikkomori don't actually enjoy being that way and wish to have a normal life. Why do you think they are so fucked up in the head? They are merely afraid to abnormal levels and have major self-esteem issues due to a number of factors while growing up through their childhood, but they still want to be happy just carrying out a decent life without being so lonely.
I personally know that it sucks being one because I was a shut-in for 5 years until I could finally take it easy and let loose.

>>5074645
Fuck you. Don't decide for yourself what someone's problems are. Whether you're right or not, it's just being self-righteous and obnoxious.

>>5074645
>[citation needed]

>>5074645
>wish to have a normal life
Why don't you try asking all of /jp/ how they feel about that?

A lot of us are enjoying how we live everyday, free from interpersonal relationships and taking it easy.

>>5074645
>people who don't live the way I do are WRONG! They know that they're wrong, even if they don't admit it! They WISH they could live like I do, even if they don't admit it!

And you're implying that WE'RE insecure?

>>5074619
She wants his cock, she has the right to try to make him love her.

>>5074653
Come back to me when you can tell me about a real hikkikomori who did not actually wish for a better life. I don't know why people think it's some sort of achievement here, but being a hikki isn't actually a good thing at all. What I only stated was a fact, and to deny it would put yourself into denial.
>>5074676
Well if "normal life" annoys you that much, maybe just a better life. I'm not talking about the employed, college kids or those who don't have a problem being outside in particular. I really don't trust what someone has to say here unless they can actually tell me a little about their lives. Those who enjoy being hermits and what not are usually normal people who just wants a break from the outer world and are not actually struggling with life in general (as opposed to hikkikomori).

>>5074574
she was pretty fucked up in the head herself in the manga

>>5074705
>I really don't trust what someone has to say here unless they can actually tell me a little about their lives

>>5074705
I consider my NEET life to be temporary (I mean my parents won't shelter me forever) at which point I will probably have to join the rat race and be ground down into an empty shell of a human being like everyone else I've known, but I'd rather hold off on that until later.

The thought of waking up in the morning, then spending all my day at work, and then coming home too tired to give a shit about anything else and just watching television until I fall asleep, every day of the week (except maybe Sunday), that's pretty much the same as death in my eyes.

>>5074714
Not defending op or anything, but there's also work that's not all that bad, depending on the company of course. I've been working at a small software company for a few years now, it's actually pretty fun now and then.
Of course, not having to work and shutting yourself in is still better, looking forward to that once I'm getting sacked some day.

>>5074698
Except that's just laziness more than anything. When the time comes, you know you're going to do it and have the courage to do so. Hikkikomori simply don't have this. NEET are not the same thing by the way.

>>5074676
>>5074653
>>5074645

It's unhealthy. Bad for the body, bad for the mind, bad for the soul.

Ain't gonna preach ya, but humanity is meant to socialize and do stuff, and not doing that will be less fulfilling than you could have been. Not wanting that is a sign of a psychological defect, whether fear or otherwise.

All told, it's not the worst defect you can have. But just because you enjoy your lifestyle doesn't mean it's good for you.

My viewpoint, it's better to live life according to your philosophy for good or bad, but you shouldn't close your eyes to the drawbacks (and every lifestyle has definite drawbacks).

>>5074730
Sorry, this post was for (>>5074714).

>>5074733
That would be true if the person shuts himself off entirely from the rest of the world, but in this technological age of ours there are plenty of ways to socialize without doing so in person.

We're perusing one of them this very moment.

>>5074733
Give a reason why this "psychological defect" is actually bad thing. Humans are not supposed to do certain things. They have habits of doing certain things. There are many humans who follow the same habits. Generally, they are called normalfags. Being a normalfag is not something humans should be. It is simply what most humans are.

>>5074730
>When the time comes, you know you're going to do it and have the courage to do so
I didn't say I was going to submit to that. There are other alternatives.

>>5074728
I suppose it's true that some jobs are enjoyable. I flunked college, though.

>>5074733
The pros outweight the cons

>>5074728
>implying I have education to work on this kind of job

Why some people are so eager to help people who don't want to be helped is beyond my understanding.
Is my existence linked to yours at the quantum level, to the point that you feel all the drawbacks that I should be feeling?

>>5074757
>Implying I have them myself
Luck helps sometimes.

Also, if the job's enjoyable or not depends mainly on the people you have to work with, not too much on what kind of job it is. I know, that kinda sucks, but you're not getting around that one. Other than making your own company, that is.

>>5074728
High School drop-out with GED here.
Any job I can score would be shit. The pay wouldn't be much better than how I am financially now.

A hikikomori lifestyle is a much more enjoyable one for me

>>5074761
Status games. If they act like helping someone, subconsciously they perceive themselves as superior.

>>5074761
Hero-complex.

>>5074761
On some level society feels the drawbacks of people who are supposed to be members of it but do not participate in it. People who do participate are taught to view people who do not participate as people in the wrong. They are taught that the only happy person is a socially productive person.

>>5074776
You take paranoia to a whole new level.

>>5074744
>That would be true if the person shuts himself off entirely from the rest of the world
Hello? This is what a hikkikomori is.

I hope you're not really serious with the rest of your post either. Socializing in the real world and doing so on the internet is not the same thing. As much as you'd like to dismiss it, physical contact plays a huge role in a social life. Exchanging text messages everyday isn't actually socializing and you only really get to know someone until you actually meet them.

Nowhere will hire me for shitty jobs because I have a degree and no work experiance.

Nowhere will hire me for degree-level jobs because my degree is shitty.

Nothing I can do.

>>5074792
Explain why it is necessary for every human to socialize outside the internet.

>>5074733

I live in England. There's not much else I can do at this point. Recessions are fun!

Although, seriously, every day that goes by where I can't get a job, every tenth CV I send off to an employer who I know is not going to hire me, the more and more just living as a complete hiki becomes alluring.

>>5074776
Spoken like a true fucking loser.

>>5074767
>Luck helps sometimes.
Yeah, if you have enough luck you can even be born in a billionaire's family.

>>5074792
I meant without internet, television, etc.

>Socializing in the real world and doing so on the internet is not the same thing.
Indeed. It's much better this way.

>>5074806
Yu mad OP?

>>5074733
>but humanity is meant to socialize and do stuff
I love blanket statements like these. Where do you get this wisdom from?

>>5074792
They really are the same thing, tho.
How is seeing someone social? Speaking or writing to them is more than enough.
I wouldn't say that my speaking to my wall is something social but posting here certainly is.

>>5074813
I'm not OP and you're still a piece of shit who needs to grow up.

>>5074799
You must be doing something wrong if you're sending tens of resumes (that's what a CV is, right?) out and getting no job offers.

>>5074832
Speak for yourself, you -are- posting here.

>>5074832
>I hate him because I waste two thirds of my life in order to enjoy the remaining third while he spends all of it freely

>>5074821
It's especially strange since as far as I know the only proven things humanity must do are;
Breath
Eat
Sleep

And for the continued existence of the species fucking every now and then.
We should tear down all these skyscrapers and towers and infrastructure and get back to our purpose as natural beings.

I had to move to another city to work this summer. I have zero furniture so I'm building it all from cardboard boxes and duct-tape.

this is actually fun! I explained the situation for nearby shopkeeper, and she's kindly sparing boxes of same size for me.

>>5074845
I know you intended this as sarcasm but I seriously have no problem with that.

>>5074834
It's basically like Detroit here, if that gives you any hints as to why I'm not finding anything.

I can't move anywhere else because I don't have money and my parents only live in one place.

>>5074845
Each human only needs to do those things if it is that human's will to live. Nothing is actually required.

>>5074856
Then you've got bigger fish to fry than hikki's. Namely society in its entirety.

>>5074856
As if you could spend even a day without your moe escapism.

>>5074846
>work
>asking people favors

cardboard boxes aside, get out

>>5074874
He's still being a leech on people, he fits in here.

>>5074867
I don't really play VNs, read mango, or see anime, tho.
I mostly loiter around.

>>5074876
Then what do you do all day? Sleep?

>>5074876
By that I'll assume you don't have the survival skills to be of any use in the wild, so why get rid of all the things that allow you to live?

>>5074887
Browse /jp/, sleep, sometimes work out.

>>5074887
Browse interwebs obviously, and he's not alone.

>>5074846
That's actually pretty awesome.

>>5074875
What do you mean by "being a leech"?

I just went with four friend to see Iron Man and now I'm sitting down to play some VN.

There's nothing to change OP.

>>5074893
>sometimes work out.
For what reason?

>>5074891
I'm rather fit and know how to cook/sew/cut wood/take care of plants/stuff. I don't think that I'd die in a week after a Robinson Crusoe scenario.

>>5074907
You take things from other people without giving anything in return, maybe?

>>5074911
It's a pleasant way to pass time. I enjoy it as much as masturbation. Plus, callisthenics don't need any equipment.

>>5074914
Why don't you sign yourself up for one of those "in the wild" programs? Prove your worth. Otherwise shut up.

>>5074928
>It's a pleasant way to pass time.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. Working out is time spent as bad as possible. You feel like shit during the entire exercise and after that you just feel tired. It's lose/lose.

>>5074921
Explain yourself.

>>5074940
But then after you've done it long enough, you feel slightly better about yourself.(If you were succesful, anyway.) Self-esteem/some other monkey bullshit.

>>5074932
I don't really want to prove anything, tho.
Just because I know how to do various things doesn't mean I want to do them. Especially when it isn't necessary.

>>5074950
Well, you're asking her for those cardboard boxes, aren't you? It isn't much, but you're still getting something for nothing.

>>5074956
Better said like this: you still DEPEND on someone.

>>5074796
>>5074822
>How is seeing someone social?

Tell me. Do you have any friends, strictly online, that you could experience the same joys as you would with one IRL? People who've had no friends, I'm not interested in your answer and I'm not trying to sound pompous.
Have you ever heard of social activities? A social life does not consist of only words, it's a composition of seeing, communicating and experiencing things together. Sure, you have the communication part down, kind of, but that's as far as you'll go and your relationship with the person will never grow past that. You'll never get to do any real activities with your new found friend, hang out with them or be there for them when they're in trouble because all you are to them is just "some guy online."
Why do you think long distance relationships never work out? Yes, obviously because of the distance. But it's also way too easy to lie about everything so you could never get to know anything about them until you get yourself hurt.

People are just meant to interact NORMALLY in person. No matter how many years you spend here trying to tell yourself you are completely fine having 0 friends IRL while being Mr. Popular with your MMO guild, you will never rid of that hollow feeling deep inside your gut.

I don't know why you guys get so defensive when you get called out on it, yet make suicide club threads and whine about how lonely you are when left alone.

>>5074940
I don't feel like shit during the exercises. It also releases endorphins. Different strokes for differents folks, I guess.

>>5074951
>monkey bullshit.
I see.

>>5074950
so you beg for boxes but can afford a PC, android phone, etc? right.

>>5074962
Dude, it's /jp/, a paragraph isn't going to change anyone here, because like you said, you're just some guy online.

I choose to be social, someone else may choose not to be. Typing on a computer isn't going to stop us being who we are, if they will change then let them go through that process themselves.

>>5074962
Except I've had friends and was severely disappointed in all of them AND did not enjoy any part besides the communication bit, so why the hell should I bother with it when I can have the good without the bad?

>>5074962
I think you're the kind of person that does these threads, tho.
I don't really have a weird gut feeling and I've never had the habit of doing things with people. How could I yearn for something that I don't understand?
Also, I don't usually play in guilds.

>>5074962
Well, I have had about four friends in RL. I still have my best friend whom I've known for 3 or 4 years. I get very tired, very fast when hanging out with him because it's just hard to survive in such situations. Online, I have known numerous people in such ways that you said were impossible. If you can look past peoples' facades, their lies, you will see the truth for yourself. But to do so, you must look past your own, decipher your own problems, is what I'm saying. I've been lied too, a few times. But I also made that being a better person, for I cannot be hurt when I am expecting things. I read people, I learn from them.

>>5074962
>Tell me. Do you have any friends, strictly online, that you could experience the same joys as you would with one IRL?
Nope. I enjoy socializing online far more than I do in person.

>I'm not trying to sound pompous.
You're not doing a very good job.

>Why do you think long distance relationships never work out?
Mine did. inb4normalfag

>No matter how many years you spend here trying to tell yourself you are completely fine having 0 friends IRL while being Mr. Popular with your MMO guild
>he thinks you can only socialize online in MMOs

>I don't know why you guys get so defensive when you get called out on it
The same reason that homosexuals get offended when you say that they are inherently morally wrong, perhaps.

>>5074962
>A social life does not consist of only words, it's a composition of seeing, communicating and experiencing things together.
You can do all that online.

>People are just meant to interact NORMALLY in person.
Rubbish.

>you will never rid of that hollow feeling deep inside your gut.
There is no such feeling.

>I don't know why you guys get so defensive when you get called out on it, yet make suicide club threads and whine about how lonely you are when left alone.
We don't, and I sincerely wish that people who do would leave this board altogether. And holier-than-thou types like you can leave with them.

>>5074962
>You'll never get to do any real activities with your new found friend, hang out with them or be there for them when they're in trouble because all you are to them is just "some guy online."
>implying I want to
I don't have any friends neither irl, nor on-line and I don't have "that hollow feeling deep inside my gut". Am I doing something wrong?

>hollow deep feeling inside my gut
I felt that, once. It was in high school when I tried to be popular and hung out with the 'cool kids', about seven of them who had roughly one braincell between them. Eventually I cut that shit out, realizing WHY I had that hollow feeling.

I've not felt it since.

Don't online relationships fail at about the same rate as real ones for the same reasons, that is, people getting bored of the person that they were in love with?

>>5074956
She spares the trouble of getting rid of them and recycling expenses. I get furniture. Win-win, am i rite? also, enviroment wins.

>>5074973
why waste money on something that'll only be there for 3 months?

>>5074962
I have two childhood friends. I didn't heard from the first one since a few years now, since we live in different cities and I never call someone.
The second one, I see him like once every three months when he calls me, and that's more than enough for me. Sometimes he calls me a week later to ask if I want to hang out with his friends and their girlfriends (all of them have one, and also have jobs), I refuse every time of course.
Interacting with other people is shit. And the social activities "normal" people partake in are either clubbing, drinking, doing drugs...
No thanks, I'll pass on this shit. My lifestyle is way more healthy.

>>5075002
Same here. Apparantly I should be crying myself to sleep every night. Except I have not once cried for not having any friends.

Maybe >>5074962 should realize that not everyone experiences life the same way as he does.

>>5074962
>NORMAL NORMAL NORMAL SOCIAL SOCIAL SOCIAL MEANT TO BE SUPPOSED TO BE HUMANS SOCIAL FRIENDS NORMAL
This is your argument in summary.

>>5075033
Better summary:
>PEOPLE WHO AREN'T EXACTLY LIKE ME ARE WRONG, BECAUSE ALL HUMANS WERE MADE IN MY IMAGE

>>5074962
>Everyone is an extrovert, introverts don't exist.
Hurr durr.

>>5074990
Me here, again. I forgot to mention, I personally dislike real life interactions, I prefer the internet. It's much less exhausting, y'know.

>>5075033
Could've also just said "God wants you to go outside".

>>5075033
>MEANT TO BE SUPPOSED TO BE
I wonder if it is possible for any normalfag to make an argument for their case without using those words.

>>5075047
There's still "OUGHT TO BE".

The typical argument of "people are trash, I got disappointed, blah blah" is seriously overdone.
You're just a defeatist piece of shit who is too lazy to find some good friends. Yeah, I understand theres a lot of crappy people out there. But are you more of an indie type of guy or do you like to go along with whatever gets served on your plate? Do you ever take time looking for good, not widely known music, games, whatever happens to be your hobby? If you do, and you have done the same for people and still choose to be a recluse, then I respect that. If not, you're a lazy sack of shit. Grow the fuck up.

Greentexting and claiming others are wrong is not a valid excuse by the way. Enjoy raging in denial.

>>5075086
Oh, this is the point where you get frustrated that not everyone sees the worth in your lifestyle as much as you do. Deal with it, nerd.

>>5075086
Well, fine then.

But as it is I'm content with the way I live, probably more so than most of the people that live around me. and no amount of assumptions generalizations or outright name calling will cause me to stop and suddenly realize that what I am is not happy but actually some sort of bizarre secret misery that even I am unable to notice.

>>5075086
>denial.
Ah, that's one that was still missing from >>5075033

>>5075086
That isn't my argument at all, though.
I've had a lot of good friends in college, but we just drifted apart. The only ones I remain in touch with are ones who I share common interests with online.
And I'm fine with that.

I never liked all the usual forms of 'socializing' anyway.

>>5075086

>>5075086
>Enjoy raging in denial.
Actually, I'm laughing. Those kind of threads once in a while is the only socializing I need.

These threads always drag on unnecessarily. We're going to keep doing what we enjoy everyday, and you normalfags can't talk us out of it. Why don't you scurry back to /r9k/?

>>5075086
>claiming others are wrong isn't an acceptable tactic
No irony here, nope.

>>5075086
> I understand theres a lot of crappy people out there.
You should, you're one of them.

>>5075086
IF YOU LIKE YOUR HOBBY ENOUGH TO TAKE THE TIME TO FINISH YOUR GAMES, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE TIME TO GET A MASTER'S DEGREE AND BECOME A FORTUNE CEO.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE

>>5074808
You can negate bad things like getting stabbed in the heart before they happen with enough luck. Of course it's good.

>>5075684
Cool troll thread bump.

what a bunch of children