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>>46230247
otaku looser

>>46230283
Not as loose as Byakuren!

>>46230373
Given the sheer volume of her superhuman spell cards, physical enhancement and virginity i'd say that she's tighter than an Oni's grip. Certainly more than that politicking whore Miko, who definitely sucked cock and took it in all of her holes to get a higher position.

>>46230247
According to Buddhism in order for her to reach enlightenment she has to be reborn as a man.

>>46236277
It also says women can be enlightened. There are enlightened female buddha entities/gods.

>>46230247
She will lead you astray, she’s a literal demon.

post the Byakuren's tits pasta

>>46240885
Fanfiction made after the fact doesn’t count.

i want her to drive me through the night, down the hills... all, all night long..

>>46240885
>here are enlightened female buddha entities/gods.
It is clearly stated in the Bahudhatuka-sutta that there could never be a female Buddha.

>>46245494
What was his problem?

>>46236277
I love that even then that only exists because Siddhartha saw he Mom cry at his dads funeral.

Dude was histories first incel

>>46244417
Weird seeing a westerner who knows nothing larping as a purist. If you're gonna be so anal about it then i expect you to be an actual buddhist. You probably think that Buddhism is all about self destruction or some gay westoid shit.
>>46245494
>>46245696
Ignore the story of Buddha taking in a female monk who use to be a prostitute. Besides that you should know (unless you're a secondary) that ZUN plays fast and loose with a lot of things. So even if you dispute what i cited ZUN probably thought that female monks are COOL, so his Touhou Buddha is fine with them, especially since Hijiri calls upon him for power in some of her attacks. If you're gonna shit up Hijiri threads i expect for you to actually get paid by Miko and not do it for free like you're some taoist janny.

>>46249158
Buddhism and Taoism are both cringe, only through Allah will you find peace.

>>46249784
Very tempted to KNEEL to the islam goku poster...but an important question plagues my mind. Which Hijiri do you guys pick?

>>46250490
hard to decide, all of Bijiri's are perfect

>>46250490
Bottom centre left looks a little like Shinki don't you think?

>>46250774
>Bijiri
Kek. Yes they are all perfect. For me it's either golden Bijiri or the normal one. I'd love to see golden Bijri in-game so i can see her golden tits jiggle...
>>46250801
Yeah I noticed. Very interesting...

>>46250801
Palette swaps do these types of references all the time. Sakuya had a Dio one.

>>46250490
So is Byakuren the only touhou that canonically has fat tits in the games? Every other character is flat as a pancake in the fighting games besides her.

>>46250910
what about Komachi????

>>46250923
She’s not that flat but she ain’t jiggle physics galore like Byakuren.

>>46249158
A real Buddhist nun shaves her head. It symbolises getting rid of worldly attachments and celibacy.

>>46251686
>ZUN plays fast and loose with a lot of things.
>ZUN probably thought that female monks are COOL
Dude didnt want bald bitches, simple as.

>>46245451
Where did she learn to ride a motorcycle and how did she get one in the first place?

>>46251748
That could make for a cool story. Maybe she found it when it came from the outside world somehow and she self taught? Or Mamizou taught her because she's from the outside world. Honestly given her outfit when she rides it i cant help but think of Snake Plissken with his bike

>>46251748
It's just the power of the urban legends that conjured up one.
The very idea of a motorcycle is actually somewhat of a compromise: the original urban legend of Turbo Granny wouldn't translate well into an attack.

>>46251686
>>46251723
I mean according to ZUN, the original final boss of UFO would have been Myouren himself but he didn’t wants players to beat up an old man so he just chose his obscure older sister instead.

That and he likes hot bitches.

>>46252142
Essentially. Not going to lie, I would not have minded fighting an old man. It would have been really funny. But I'm glad we got our iconic slam pig monk instead.

>>46252182
It’s funny that in a series where you beat up literal children it’s the old man where he draws the line.

>>46253035
The jap mind is a strange thing to behold. Far too much love for elders. But apparently beating the shit out of children is OK

>>46253061
Nah i understand it completely, children deserve to suffer, and an old Buddhist dudes probably suffered enough, especially knowing you gotta be celibate with this piece of ass staring at you all day.

Sister or not, buddhas sending his hardest battles.

>>46254341
A good portion of those evil children do, yes. And i also agree that true suffering is being around this hot piece of ass. The well aged, fine wine of a granny who's ass could disturb the orbit of celestial bodies, huge juicy tits with suckable pink nipples that could turn any grown man into a mewling baby. Or thighs thicker than an elephant's trunk. Yeah I'd probably blow my brains out if i were forced to be a monk around her.

>>46254407
Not just a good portion, every character we meet kinda sucks ass, so having to beat up a genuinely nice Buddhist monk whose also an old man would feel kinda mean even for these types of games

Byakuren got the whole “traitor to man, friend of youkai” shtick so it’s easier to digest

>>46254425
Yes but be aware that some of them dont suck ass are simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and there's unnamed children that were also beaten or potentially beaten. Also the ''race traitor!!!11'' thing is funny since all she's doing is either saving yokai who arent comically evil, converting yokai who are comically evil and making them not assholes and fostering good relations between humans and yokai. But a lot of people seem to have this gay HFY attitude so she gets shat on for being a granny that saves lives but Reimu or Marisa gets a pass even though they're arguably both massive pieces of shit. But they're cute young girls so they get a pass i guess.

It gives me the creeps seeing people so willing to masturbate to Byakuren, ngl.

>>46254563
Sorry that we're not impotent and are also straight, or at least bisexual.

>>46254565
I never implied that, and the fact that you think that Im a faggot just because I choose not to see Byakuren like that is a clear indication of your maturity, do what you wish, all Im saying is that she would be dissapointed at best.

>>46252142
>he didn’t wants players to beat up an old man
Huh? I thought he just said that it would feel odd for the an old man to appear as a final boss in a game. Which I guess, could have been interesting tho, wonder how he would have designed him.
>>46253035
That would be the opposite of those immortal Skyrim kids I guess. Haven't seen nips limiting violence by age in games, but then again the only nip games that allow you to attack everything I can think of now are the souls games.
>>46254425
I don't think if he really had planned a whole different backstory for Myoren, he could just have been the same but old man.

Funny, that ZUN afterwards in TD he went into Fate genderbend mode.

>>46254572
Dude words words words, just tell us that you're gay. You probably lean more towards Miko...the male version.

>>46250490
Most of them look pretty cool but I think top center right looks the best. Bottom left and top right are also pretty.
>>46250801
A bit strange since purple and red should be inverted.
>>46254563
I just remembered that one artist saying that he drew Byak lewds as a punishment for beating his ass in the games.

>>46254685
>he drew Byak lewds as a punishment for beating his ass in the games

>>46254706
a true struggler

>>46254563
>>46254572
My brother.

>>46249158
Byakuren only loves youkai and her eternal youth, and even then, as her unfiltered subconscious (her AoCM dream self) makes clear, she eagerly uses her disciples' labor to make her own life easier.
There's absolutely nothing saintly about her, just like every other scumbag in Gensokyo.

>>46256214
Epic lies, dude.

>>46254563
She's hot dude. She's canonically curvy and tall. And her attitude against sin just makes my penis harder

>>46256214
Like, her backstory about her being sealed away forever in makai does imply she did some heinous shit to be sealed away so thoroughly. I get humans hating her on principle, but you gotta be dedicated to straight up throwing a superhuman magician into a tomb for eternity.

Like her being a traitor to humanity and letting literal mass murdering youkai just get away with it Scott free, while also not even going along with the teachings of Buddhism proves she’s just a fraud at best, but that line about her sending assassins in the recent games peel away something worse.

>>46257212
>>46256311

>>46256311
>>46257287
Yeah, she lies epically.

Yeah, she lied when she said >>46257312 isn't a fag.

>>46256311
It's not lies, and it's one of the things that makes her character interesting. It gives her depth.

Can you even say you like Byakuren if you don't acknowledge who she is?

>>46257357
Not him, but yes.
Canon characters suck ass. Pick any shitty old 4koma and it's still going to be better than whatever ZUN writes.

>>46257374
>Canon characters suck ass.
So you don't like Byakuren. Got it.

>>46257378
By that logic I don't like any character, which is true if you think about it that way.

>>46257391
>I don't like any character
Maybe you just don't like Touhou.

>>46257378
He only likes the imaginary version of Byakuren that exist in his head, which is perfectly understandable, because the ideal and real Byakuren would clearly come to recognize the folly of Buddhism and embrace the truth of the Tao instead, finally accepting her desire for human cocks and coming to terms with her true nature as a female.

>>46257374
I love these assholes with their imperfections and all. It's good having a series that makes the girls a bunch of drunk, violent, unrepentant assholes instead of kawaii uguu waifu material that really really love a generic self insert.

>>46257441
How so? I still enjoy the good parts of it, like the games.
Or are you one of those people who think that if you can't read the printworks without puking you're not a true fan?
>>46257474
Glad that you like them! They're still shit.

Why do so many Byakurenfags refuse to accept she's as much of a scumbag as any other Gensokyo big player? Good Hijiri is as much a fanon meme as maso Tenshi.

>>46257357
>if you don't acknowledge who she is?
I know her better than you do.

>>46257485
>Or are you one of those people who think that if you can't read the printworks without puking you're not a true fan?
I don't care about the definition of fan or anything like that. I'm just speculating that you don't really like something you claim not to like large parts of, in this case the cast.

>>46257485
If you only like the games and not the story or characters then why are you on a character thread? Of course we'd talk about her canon self wether you like or not.

>>46257495
she has boobies though

>>46257495
I do acknowledge it, just as I acknowledge it being shit.
>Good Hijiri is as much a fanon meme as maso Tenshi.
Fanon is superior to canon, so I'm not sure what are you trying to imply here.
Though maso Tenshi is boring.
>>46257515
If I didn't like it, would I play the games?
>>46257523
Shitting on canon is a holy duty. Since you like it, you wouldn't get it.
Not shitting on those who like it though. you do you.

>>46257495
Shes not a saint but she still tries to do good. I don't see the issue with having earthly desires represented in her dream self. If anything it makes her hotter since she's an impure nun with an amazing body.

>>46257536
>Shes not a saint but she still tries to do good.
Good by herself first of all, good by youkai secondly (ties into the former). Whether this is morally good or not is up to your personal interpretation and philosophy, but them's the facts.

>>46244075
JESUS CHRIST! HIJIRI BYAKUREN-sama what in the name of MIMA'S BONES are YOU and your GIGANTIC BREASTS doing here?? *gasp* *jaw drops* I cannot help but notice that the CLEAVAGE of your GIGANTIC BREASTS has been filled in by GALLONS of SEMEN. No ordinary human man could possibly produce such IMPOSSIBLY LARGE amounts of CUM... So... *face turns red*, you MUST be TITFUCKING my BELOVED KOURIN! *gaps* It's TRUE? THANK YOU SO MUCH for PLEASURING the MAN I LOVE with your GIGANTIC BREASTS, which compared to my flat chest is like TWO PLANETS of PURE PLEASURE. THANK YOU THANK YOU TH-*eyes widen* HOLY COW! Did you just say you're planning to TAKE OVER THE WORLD now that you've obtained UNMATCHABLE POWER through the BALANCE of RETAINING YOUR VIRGINITY while also USING YOUR GIGANTIC BREASTS TO MERCILESSLY RAPE THE MAN I LOVE, POWER that's GREATER than even HECATIA LAPISPAIZURI-SAMA herself??? *knees shake* And to ELIMINATE your ONE TRUE THREAT you've SPREAD A RUMOR that I'M turning myself into a FILTHY WHORE of a YOUKAI, so that my BEST FRIEND Reimu will EXTERMINATE ME. EEEHHHH?! REIMU is going to KILL me and then COMMIT SUICIDE after she realizes SHE'S BEEN SET UP? HOW TERRIBLE! And then with REIMU out of the way you're FREE to GENOCIDE every human female, leaving ONLY the MEN alive to be RAPED by youkai for the rest of their LIVES. And you'll use your INCREDIBLE UNMATCHED POWER to CONQUER ALL OF GENSOKYO, and even the OUTSIDE WORLD TOO?! Ohhhhh that all sounds so TERRIBLE! But as LONG as you keep PAIZURI'ING MY BOYFRIEND I'll be HAPPY. YABBA DABBA PICHU-*knocked over by byakuren's breasts* OUCH! What was THAT FOR?! I haven't even BEEN KILLED yet! *gasp* EHHHH?! You're STRIPPING ME OF MY TITLE as GENSOKYO'S BIGGEST KEKQUEEN, since even though you will MARRY the MAN I LOVE, you will NEVER HAVE SEX with him, instead you will ALLOW ALL of your MOST TRUSTED SUBORDINATES TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM, and GET IMPREGNATED WITH HIS POTENT SEMEN. YABBA DABBA PICHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

>>46258129
I thought it was going to be the one about marrying her tits, but fucking saved

>>46256214
>Byakuren only loves youkai
Even if that is true, who cares.
>and her eternal youth
Apparently not wanting to be old and weak in a cut throat full of psychos is le bad. Just shit your pants and get arthritus bro
>she eagerly uses her disciples' labor to make her own life easier
Lol at the gaypee NEET who thinks that being a BUM and living rent free without pulling your weight in someone ELSE'S temple is acceptable. I feel bad for your parents, poor folks must be pushing back their retirement so you can jerk off on /jp/.
>>46257212
>IMPLY
Dude you are reaching Ho-Lee-Shit, if you hate her this much why are you even here? Back to her being sealed, from what we've seen of scumbag humans she could have been sealed away for looking at them the wrong way, being in the wrong place at the wrong time or being charged as guilty before being proven innocent all of which has happened in the series.

>>46258710
>someone ELSE'S temple
It's Minamitsu's ship, actually.
>Apparently not wanting to be old and weak in a cut throat full of psychos is le bad.
She's supposed to be a Buddhist.
>>IMPLY
No idea who you're quoting here.

>>46258710
>Even if that is true, who cares
Seeing how youkai are literal demons who are an affront to all living things… I’d say everyone
>Not wanting to be old or weak is psychotic
It is when you achieve that through dark magic and becoming a savior for man eating demons who talk about slaughtering anything or anyone that gets in their way for fun
>living rent free without pulling your weight in someone else’s temple
Ain’t even her temple
>scumbag humans
They hired her to exterminate the spawn of satan and instead she teamed up with them to save herself, that’s literally the baseline canon. Even at her best the humans got rid of her for being the messiah to the Stygian beasts of Buddhism hell

You can tell youkai hands typed this

same two koreans

>>46258710
dumb bimbo hag DESPERATE to mantain her REPUTATION on /jp/

>>46258710
myourensister....

>>46258710
>Even if that is true, who cares
>Scumbag humans

>>46250490
2nd from bottom left is my favorite.

Hijri molests Nue in her free time

>mfw KKHTA Byakuren is far closer to canon Byakuren than your average Byakuren fic
>mfw KKHTAs author understood Byakurens character better than two thirds of the fanbase
>mfw Grimsokoyo is real

>>46258710
This post is a word for word recreation of what happens when you press Byakuren about her beliefs for more than 5 seconds.

So uhhh, is byakuren good or evil? Im confused

>>46261576
Nah, KKHTA is more comically grimsokyo in a blockbuster type way

Real Grimsokyo is more mundane in its cruelty, the villagers ain’t getting turbofucked by evil Mokou, they’re just cattle slowly being killed off over time, or being made examples of if they step out of line.

So KKHTA Byakuren is more overtly evil, Canon Byakuren is slow burn type evil. Why kill them when you can control them and make them suffer unknowingly.

>>46261774
She’s a Touhou character not named Eiki… so it’s the latter.

>>46262067
>She’s a Touhou character not named Eiki
>evil Mokou
>slow burn type evil. Why kill them when you can control them and make them suffer unknowingly.
I think youre getting too ahead of yourself, anon.

>>46262088
Memes aside, is there really any Touhou character that’s like decent, not Superman-Esque good two shoes, but like someone you’d hang out with and not feel like they’d screw you over or is so over the top you’d want to avoid them

Rinnosuke seems like the only one I think of who’s always been a straight shooter.

>>46262147
Mokou, who you just mentioned, shes just a loner with a shady past and doesnt like hanging around people, but shes been opening lately, and you could have a talk or even a beer with her, Miyoi, shes just a bartender, Reisen if you have the patience to deal with her anxiety, Komachi, unless she has a passive that drains the life of human beings around her, Youmu, if she somehow has free time, Keine, who is literally the most anti Youkai thing imaginable (at least on her turf), Sanae, Marisa, she might be insane, but she only play harmless pranks on her friends, nothing lethal or malicious, Meiling, since shes been seen being cordial to the humans and other youkai that happen to pass by near the mansion, Shion, if you dont mind the bad luck, or if the bad luck is not permanent, Shou, unironically, since she is far less "Byakuren" than Byakuren and just wants to have fun, Kosuzu and Akyuu, I think, and Rinnosuke as you said, and I dont know that much of the newer games so my list ends there.

>>46262183
>Mokou
Used to kill people for shits and giggles and doesn’t even really feel particularly bad about it. Wouldn’t be very comfortable around someone like that
>Reisen
Into torturing people and is confirmed racist and willing to manipulate people for her master
>Youmu
Generally too stupid to keep a conversation with
>Keine
Can turn into a monster and is very naggy most of the time
>Sanae
Manipulated people in the village for her gods all the time, total fuckin nerd, and is willing to murder
>Marisa
Rob you blind and will kidnap people for personal gain
>Meiling
Been known to attack humans in lore, not really friendly even to her coworkers in recent mangas
>Shion
By the end of the conversation you’ll probably sprout super AIDS and turbo cancer
>Shou
Like the other youkai she frequently breaks Buddhist traditions and potentially gives into a lot of rage when she’s not in public. Doubt she’d be a good drink buddy for a normal person
>Akyuu and Kosuzu
Honestly they’d be mostly ok yeah.

Komachi and Miyoi seems the only other non human characters who are pretty chill, though Miyoi still got time to be a jerk too.

>>46262337
Great, thats awesome, I love it.
>>46262337
>Youmu
>Generally too stupid to keep a conversation with
I can live with that.
It sure is a good thing whenever Yukari drags someone from outside they spawn in the vecinity of Reimus so she just takes them back as soon as they get in.

>>46251941
>the original urban legend of Turbo Granny wouldn't translate well into an attack.
Would be funnier if the attack was just her running imo. Can't get over her being called a ババ in canon.
>>46261576
Something something, quote something something it was the moons fault and the only non affected ones where like "wtf byakuren". So nah.
Something something 3 mfw and 0 reaction pics or anything.
>>46262147
Hanging out is a funny because (at least according to the cliche serial killer friends/family/acquaintance witnesses) people with literally skeletons in the closet may look like decent fellas.
>not Superman-Esque good two shoes,
superdickery..... Although Supes grew in a decent family and due to multiverse stuffs he could have ended evil, cuz yeah, most protags are in the good side from the start but I think I'm derailing too much here.

>>46261576
KKHTA is the only place where Junko goes on murderous rampage on the moon is absolutely justified and necessary.

>>46262337
Great, thats awesome, I love it.
>Youmu
>Generally too stupid to keep a conversation with
I can live with that thank you.
It sure is a good thing whenever Yukari drags someone from outside they tend spawn in the vecinity of Reimus so she just takes them back as soon as they get in.
>>46262388
Well, to be fair youre right, I didnt actually see the thing, I just saw a summary, and if I remember correctly Shou and Nazrin said no to Byakuren and she just killed both.
>3 mfw and 0 reaction pics or anything.
I was on my phone give me a break.

>>46261576

>>46262388
Yeah but Touhou serial killers can’t subtle about it, if you’re not from the human village they got free reign to fuck you up

>>46262337
I know about the torture thing, but when does Reisen act racist?

>>46265184
Hard to tell for sure since the only case we really saw was Sumi, which was special. Won't deny that some like winged humanoid, funny orb and parasol lady might make the shortest isekai story ever tho.
Was also assuming it was as (you) being already part of the village before hanging out and shit.
>>46267020
The short ears comment she says to Marisa in CDS(I think that's all?), usually she seems to control her "gamer level" or whatever you call it nowadays.
>>46262433
>I was on my phone give me a break.
Gomen, wasn't being serious, nice Sato. Was expecting pic rel for some reason.

>>46262337
>meiling
she only attacks you if you either try and break in, in which case she'll stop if you surrender, or if you challenge her to a fight, in which case she'll fight fairly. Akyuu even makes a point that since her meals are provided by the mansion, she doesn't need to attack humans

>>46262337
>Used to kill people for shits and giggles and doesn’t even really feel particularly bad about it
Yeah, but she doesnt kill people anymore, in fact, she HELPS people nowadays.

>>46267339
Yeah but like most of the time you’d ever interact with her is while she’s doing her job and I doubt she’d make idle conversation or be particularly nice if you loiter around

>>46267801
The idea is that theres potential for violence and an uneasiness since it’s not like she feels bad about hurting people. Hell in the fighting games she’s pretty eager to kick some ass for little provocation.

They’d don’t have to automatically go for the kill to be kinda unpleasant

>>46254685
Sauce of the byak revenge porn ?

>>46268645
>I doubt she'd make idle conversation
PMiSS:
>She is unusually human-like for a youkai, and if you talk to her while she is on the job, she will make idle chatter or complain about whatever is on her mind.
>As long as you don't provoke her, she isn't dangerous.
Meiling's job is fucking boring and Remi is the only one who's nice to her. I bet she'd take any kind of interaction she can get.
As for Mokou, consistently going out of her way to help and even protect humans for no reward shows what she thinks about hurting people now. She's not interested in living like a youkai anymore, and that time was over 600 years ago when she was already isolating herself from society. In the fighting games she's going up against youkai, youkai exterminators, sages, superhumans, and a lunarian, so obviously she's going to be excited for a fight against someone who can handle her abilities. It's not like she's picking on random villagers.

>>46268980
Yeah that seems a bit of the old lore for Meiling, she’s a lot grouchier in the recent mangas and doesn’t seem like the idle chatter type. ZUN seems to be making his characters a lot more unfriendly than he used too for some reason

I guess Mokou, but it’s kind of like talking to a Mobster Hitmen whose changed his ways and works at a pizza shop, yeah he’s ok on the surface but you’re always on edge of saying something out of line to get your balls boiling in an oven.

And it’s not like Mokou changed because she learned to be a better person or resents that time in her life, she just got bored of it, whose to say she ain’t gonna get bored of helping people on a whim.

Like, you can tell me a notorious man eating bear is more docile than it used to be and I’m still not gonna want to pet it.

>>46269053
>whose to say she ain’t gonna get bored of helping people on a whim
Eh, she's a lot less isolated these days after Kaguya tricked her into meeting new people by sending "assassins" after her. It's easier to be a better-adjusted person if you're actually part of society somewhat.

>>46269128
>>46268980

Also looked into the Urban Legend game and the first thing she does when she sees a random human in the outside world (TBF it’s Sumireko) is whether she just kill her on sight.

Even the person playing the game thinks it’s a bit much

>>46269164
Did not read, I want her to sit on my face.

>>46269053
>seems like old lore
here's her character lines from Gensou Narratograph. ZUN wrote these two newly for the game, so this is what 2023 (possibly 2022 since I don't know for sure when he wrote it) meiling is
the one time she's been portrayed as grouchy is CDS (I.E her only recent appearance), and even then, it's only in her interaction with sakuya where she thinks she might have 'murdered' patchouli, she's pretty much fine with orin and she's fine with sakuya in the fairy manga where she's made to search for lily white
ZUN doesn't think about meiling much, and as a result her personality has never really seen much change

>>46269237
oh I forgot to actually include the lines whoops
she thinks guarding the gate is boring, so she'd probably be happy to talk to someone

>>46269164
She also just wants to beat Sumireko for just being mildly complacent, so yeah she’s on a short fuse (lol) and knowing how much us retards act about Touhou’s shed probably kill us on the spot

>>46269279
I think you're drastically underestimating how annoying sumireko is, especially in ULiL where she doesn't take anything seriously until the final act of the story
if you came across mokou in the bamboo forest of the lost, she'd guide you back, and if you really annoyed her, she might knock you out and drag you back. Her whole CiLR chapter is about how she's changed over time, which is why it ends with her saying that she wants to climb the mountain and talk to iwanagahime so she can apologize to iwakasa
also using game dialogue is cheating anyway because EVERYONE talks mad shit in those before firing fireworks at each other

>>46269309
Sumireko didn’t even do anything but exist before Mokou wondered if she should just erase her for being an outside human that saw her. After that all Sumireko said was “why does everyone want to kill me” before Mokou talks about taking pleasure in kicking her ass.

And if this girls mere presence is enough to elicit death threats from Mokou ain’t none of us making it out of the forest in anything but a matchbox.

>>46269402
>She seems strong enough.It should be okay to play with her a little, right?
Anon, plz even in that conversation you picked you have this. Just like some mofos ERP here 2hus are into some edgy LARPing. They even have le "moving farewell" afterwards.

>>46268954
Huh, I was convinced it was a different pic or something not such a soft one (maybe that artist drawing a gacha girl getting gored for not getting her has messed my memory or something)
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1900528
>I finally cleared it at the 2651th try.
Dam photo games, I'm still stuck in the first one. Maybe I'll move on to clear the first double spoiler stages to get some photo game practice without just failing all the time.

>>46270204
>2hus are into some edgy LARPing.
ZUN said this during an interview all the way back in 2002 before Touhou became a much more involved franchise.
Hate when people bring this up without even knowing where it comes from or the context in which it was said.

>>46270204
She was willing to erase her ass from the second she saw she was an outside human who had spotted her. I’ve played the game she was ready to go from minute one.

>>46270700
Wasn't bringing that up, 2hus always talk about killing all the time, then you get to see the bad end, and surprise! No named character dies! Mokou just shit talks seriously to the "enemy" that told her "gottcha" and ends up saying that she plays with her, my quote is her words literally from the game.
>>46270704
>I’ve played the game she was ready to go from minute one.
Wasn't doubting that you played the game until you said it honestly, like there is no animationof her blasting a fireball and Sumi! Or did I miss some exclusive ps4 content mayhaps.

The battle between Grimsokyo and Moesokyo continues on forever.

>>46270871
Yeah that’s the point, they wanna fuckin murder everyone all the time, they had to invent a card game to stop from murdering each other all the time.

And did you see the conversation where she’s already contemplating just erasing some girl she meets just because she exists? That’s pretty gung ho for someone who’s just a friendly girl.

>>46270892
To be honest I am kind of setting my own camp here in the middle of the factions, I was a moesokyo for a long while, then I became a grimsokyo, and then now Im starting to set on a middle ground, all this Byakuren talk got me thinking.
Now Im here, in the middle, now I know that both sides are right and wrong at the same time and I choose to believe what I think is right.
Maybe, just maybe, waifuing Byakuren wasnt such a bad idea after all.

>>46270996
The truest 'sokyo is Jerksokyo where every character is a self centered, lazy bum who don't really do anything TOO significant and where consequences from actions are almost non-existant.
Grimsokyo is more correct thoughbeit, it only gets stupid when it starts going off about Youkai killing and eating humans for fun; Moesokyo was never true and it's only perpetuated by people who don't know any better.
The worst one by far is Westernsokyo.

>>46271055
>The truest 'sokyo is Jerksokyo where every character is a self centered, lazy bum who don't really do anything TOO significant and where consequences from actions are almost non-existant.
You know, thats something I can get behind, that at least allows SOME good to exist SOMEWHERE.
>Grimsokyo is more correct thoughbeit, it only gets stupid when it starts going off about Youkai killing and eating humans for fun
I know that, and I am actively trying to restrain myself and stop going too offrails when I make my shitty fanfics, Gensokyo is like living under a dictatorship that more or less knows what its doing and maintains the country inhabitable, even if its using violence to get it.
>The worst one by far is Westernsokyo.
What? That exists? Its the first time I hear that, whats that about?

>>46270902
From Reimu's profile:
>Without a way for any youkai to defeat the Hakurei shrine maiden, many youkai felt that their meaning to exist had disappeared, but by taking some ground-breaking measures she solved this problem.
>That is, the introduction of the spell card rules.
We can also check the PC98 games which have a total of maybe 1 Youkai and 1 Makaian death iirc. Touhou is not the sort of setting where a named character just dies they just get forgotten
> just because she exists
Not even that, they told Mokou that there's an enemy and she appears saying that she caught another one! So even if we consider 2hus being always 100% honest(rip Sakuya) you are at the very least exaggerating.
>>46270892
Not even, if people want grim stuff I welcome it because there's clearly way less, the whole situation of Gensokyo is messed up and the magic system of youkai sustaining themselves via fear make it a pretty fucked up magic system you'd expect from some edgy dark fantasy.
But arguments come from both sides sounding like dam jokes, idk maybe some are from me, and maybe ironically my post has some full retard.

>>46271102
>Gensokyo is like living under a dictatorship that more or less knows what its doing and maintains the country inhabitable
Could make for a good story without falling into le grimderp land of spiky armor bad guyz empire.
But I think that in written medium your also more likely to find legit sounding stuff since the reader fill a few gaps. Probably it being less accessible also helps for people to appreciate more things like realistic worldbuilding.
>Westernsokyo
Probably politics related stuff and sadly not a cowboy parody nor a version with European or American myths.
imo I don't mind most things as long as people don't spread it as 200% canon.
Although black_tewi.jpg or whatever I guess. ZUN will never ever elaborate or give numbers, although maybe he does soon, hope CDS answers at least some questions.

>>46261967
Good with shotas and monsters, impartial with humans.

Idk about all of you, but I think Remilia, her characterization/actions throughout the series is a solid reflection of gensokyo itself.

>>46271212
>a version with European or American myths.
NGL I wish ZUN put more western style characters on it, they give a very interesting twist to the usual dynamic of Gensokyo, IE, the SDM, Sekibanki, the chupacabra from 19.
I also wish he bringed Sariel back, abrahamic faith is the only faith/myth/thing that is left in the clusterfuck that its Gensokyo.
>Could make for a good story without falling into le grimderp land of spiky armor bad guyz empire.
Although not many are willing to mess around with such a topic, that things hard to write, even the RPGs fangame I have played wich have more serious and dramatic tones dont dive too much on the reality about Gensokyos structure and jerarchy of power.
>>46271248
Id say she treats everyone equally, if she scolds Shou, who is her literal god and the rest of the temple finds her lectures as a bit too much, then shes fine on terms of treating everyone more or less equally, her temple is a place where human and youkai are welcomed and no one minds, except Reimu, because shes poor.

>>46270892
Moesokyo/Cutesokyo is literally a strawman grimfags came up with.

>>46271402
I’m pretty sure Abrahamic Faith is just straight up non canon after PC-98, to the point that Jesus was just some dude from legend.

Hell, crosses don’t even work on vampires but ting yang orbs do.

>>46271532
That sucks.

>>46271055
>Moesokyo was never true and it's only perpetuated by people who don't know any better.
Which is a shame, since it's also the most interesting of the bunch. Jerksokyo and Grimsokyo are boring and predictable.

>>46271571
Makes sense, Unlike Buddhism, Taoism, and Shinto beliefs

Christianity ain’t irrelevant, so it wouldn’t show up in Touhou. (Also Touhou is mostly eastern inspired so a non eastern religion ain’t relevant to ZUNs desires)

>>46273355
Stop acting like /v/

>>46271055
>The truest 'sokyo is Jerksokyo where every character is a self centered, lazy bum who don't really do anything TOO significant and where consequences from actions are almost non-existant
So Gensokyo is just a rural ghetto for youkais?

>>46273382
Just stating facts

>>46271532
Shinto talismans and roasted beans work on vampires in Gensokyo too lol

>>46271402
>NGL I wish ZUN put more western style characters on it
Chiya isn't a chupacabra, one appears in FS tho. And Banki is a rokurokubi afaik.
>I also wish he bringed Sariel back, abrahamic faith is the only faith/myth/thing that is left in the clusterfuck that its Gensokyo
Agree on the Sariel part, but really? I think there are quite a few left.
> that things hard to write
Yes, subtle darkness is harder, people will put a lot of "omg look how grim!!1!" tier shit instead of just messed up and sickening things.
>>46271532
Haven't seen crosses by themselves ever hurt a vamp in nip media honestly, a thing that would be funny tho is if you reversed that rule and they were only weak to the holy symbols they didn't believe in, and have some ww2 era vamp absolutely confused as to why some swastikas produce burns.
>>46271571
You have other settings like castlevania and megaten. Or you can just make your own setting, or not care about canon in that regard in your fics, there are lotsa possibilities.

>>46275186
>some ww2 era vamp absolutely confused as to why some swastikas produce burns.
https://youtu.be/AQm7dN7qFcQ
lol

im a simple man. i see byakuren, i want to fuck her boobs. whats all this talk about morals and shit.

>>46275250
This. I don't know what all these faggots are talking about

I go to the temple, see this peak female specimen giving the sermon, and cum instantly right there and then

>>46271532
>>46275186
Y'all fuckers really should hit the Zun Interview more often. He LITERALLY and IMPLICIT told you why crosses dont hurt Vampires in Gensokyo. (one of the small times Zun was not a complete faggot and provide indirect meaningfull answers)
"Strange Creators of Outer World/Introduction of Previous Works/Embodiment of Scarlet Devil/Fragment of Phantasy"
TL:DR = its the Faith-Charge of the believer.
It make sense. like some anons in the pass have pointed out. Remilia and Flan dont give two shits about shinto, ofudas, ying yang, Buddism, Sutras, Taoism and Dharma. yet they still can take heavy spiritual damage from them.

Tldr: Youkai bad
Got it

>>46276859
Youkai nun bad too.

>>46275250
>>46276303
>>46276983
They’ll lead you from gods light my friend. Don’t let the temptress take away your honor and soul with her blasphemy against the Buddha

The whole Mokou thing made me ask a lot of questions, didn't really think to much about it back then, guess she went full rip and tear but more uncontrolled.
Wonder how Byakuren would react to knowing her past, she also seems to be unfriendly to youkai in the vs ULiL quotes.
>>46270700
I think most people say that due to PMiSS.
Also of 2003/12 if you mean this:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN%27s_reply_to_messages_on_the_former_Gensou_Bulletin_Board_3
>>46276818
I remember once saying something "the cross is just a faith catalyst", just like in idk Hellsing where the cross itself meh, but blessed weapons cool. Or heck Fright Night (at least the original movie) also had that.
I though tho that almost everything in strange creators was not said by ZUN tho.

>>46275186
>Haven't seen crosses by themselves ever hurt a vamp in nip media honestly
Ms. Vampire Who Lives in My Neighborhood, where the vampire Sophie comments that she prefers arcade sticks over d-pads because the cross shape of the latter burns her.

Here are some Buddha Quotes
"A woman of the world is anxious to exhibit her form and shape, whether walking, standing, sitting, or sleeping. Even when represented as a picture, she desires to captivate with the charms of her beauty and, thus, to rob men of their steadfast heart.

“Of all the scents that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the tastes that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the voices that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the caresses that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman.”

“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.”

"Women are insatiable in respect of two things: sex and motherhood; so insatiable that they cannot free themselves from these cravings before death."

"Seducers and astute, they destroy the noble life."

>>46276818
>Y'all fuckers really should hit the Zun Interview more often. He LITERALLY and IMPLICIT told you why crosses dont hurt Vampires in Gensokyo. (one of the small times Zun was not a complete faggot and provide indirect meaningfull answers)
Are you sure it's ZUN? The other fragment of Phantasy saysＺＵＮ氏 or Mr ZUN in third person.
troduction_of_Previous_Works/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Fragment_of_Phantasy
Yet unless something in canon contradicts it I completely agree with it working that way.
Guess religious symbols are kinda like guns and faith the ammunition.
>>46279002
Someone already posted those, but the watermarks with a Buddha that doesn't alternate adds some comedic effect to the quotes.

>>46284548
>Guess religious symbols are kinda like guns and faith the ammunition.
Sooo. automatic Cross-Machinegun chambered in .45, i Like it

>>46279002
I think it’s funny that Byakuren could speak to the Buddha for the first time and the first words he’d probably speak would be like

“Why are you a woman”

>>46284644
Ackshtually japanese buddhism had many enlightened nuns
Zen Buddhism is more about practice than about words, as long as you get to sit on your ass and meditate

>>46285595
Japanese Buddhism also has a part where women who menstruate instantly go to menstruation hell

>>46284644
His first words would be ''Superhuman and ENLIGHTENED Mahācārya!!! I know about Anatomy of Common Flowers and that is the title ZUN gave you!! Not only do you lift, you're also enlightened like me! A shame about your brother though, if he listened to you he'd be with us right now!''

>>46230247
Congratulations, you missed the entire point of Buddhism

>>46271402
Buddhism doesn't really have gods. Shou might by objectively physically stronger than Byrakuren and capable of some neat parlor tricks, but she's not any more enlightened, which is what really matters.
Though gods becoming Buddhists in Touhou brings the curious implication that faith doesn't necessarily mean worship, and one can be a god in the metaphysical sense without being well, a god.

>>46292009
>Buddhism doesn't really have gods
Lol it does. Westerners for some reason feel a need to sanitize the religion but it does have gods. Many of them, in fact. Some of them are purely buddhist, others are an amalgam of gods from other places. Like some japanese gods also have a buddhist side to them. See Dakiniten/Inari
>Shou might by objectively physically stronger than Byrakuren
Probably not, Hijiri has superhuman spell cards and related magic up the ass.

>>46271055
Why is it that consequences are so non-existent? Remilia is directly responsible for two incidents and she only got a slap on the wrist each time.

>>46292456
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Gensokyo is fundamentally intended as a playground for youkai and so they'll always be allowed to cause chaos and get away with just a light smacking by the shrine maiden.

>>46292456
>>46292480
Because cute girl who is named character. If you're a male yokai you're fucked if you actually do anything wrong, see the retard in recent stories who became a yokai. If it were a girl who did exactly what he did she would probably just get a slap on the wrist and assimilate into the rest of the story.

>>46292009
>Shou might by objectively physically stronger than Byrakuren and capable of some neat parlor tricks
To be fair, without any kind of magic, Hijiri would get her ass kicked by any of her fellows around her temple

>>46292009
>Buddhism doesn’t really have gods
The second in command of the UFO crew is literally an avatar of Bishamonten, the BUDDHIST god of war.

Buddhism only consistently lacks a belief in a creator god like Yahweh or Brahma, it’s got plenty of gods.

>>46294134
>The second in command of the UFO crew is literally an avatar of Bishamonten, the BUDDHIST god of war.
Damn, how badass is Byakuren for commanding and being above a god of war?

>>46295339
Buddha was told to be wise even among the gods.

>>46295339
>warukagi

Why do some put a Catholic mantilla veil on Byakuren?

>>46299647
Because it's cute

Reminder that the japanese sect of Buddhism allowed monks to marry and reproduce since the early Heian period.

>>46302154
Japanese Buddhism can barely even be considered Buddhism at all. It's basically a polytheistic religion that worships many gods and buddhas/bodhisattvas in hopes of attaining enlightenment or being reborn in a higher realm (heaven, for example). Japanese Buddhism and Shinto has basically merged into one giant cultural religion. Kami are reinterpreted as devas and vice versa. There's a reason that the vast majority of the Japanese people perform Buddhist funeral ceremonies over Shinto ones.
The current situation is bad because supposedly most people believe anything just for death insurance, hence "funeral religion".
Japanese Buddhism also where shit like “If your son dies young he is forced to the hell in which he must climb on rocks that are knocked down constantly by a demon to escape for a billion years"
In the pre-Meiji period, nanshoku (男色) relationships inside Japanese Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity.

>>46302559
> Japanese Buddhist monasteries were typically pederastic. The older partner, or nenja (念者, "lover" or "admirer"), would be a monk, priest or abbot, while the younger partner was assumed to be an acolyte (稚児, chigo), who would be a prepubescent or adolescent boy. The relationship would be dissolved once the boy reached adulthood (or left the monastery). Both parties were encouraged to treat the relationship seriously and conduct the affair honorably, and the nenja might be required to write a formal vow of fidelity.
God, Japanese Buddhists really are just East Asian Catholics

>>46302791
To be fair all of Japan was like that.
In The Tale of Genji, written in the early 11th century, men are frequently moved by the beauty of youths. In one scene the hero is rejected by a lady and instead sleeps with her young brother.
The Great Mirror of Male Love (男色大鏡) by Ihara Saikaku was the definitive work on the subject of "male love" in Tokugawa Era Japan.
Tokugawa commentators felt free to illustrate kami engaging in anal sex with each other. During the Tokugawa period, some of the Shinto gods, especially Hachiman, Myoshin, Shinmei and Tenjin, "came to be seen as guardian deities of nanshoku" (male–male love). Tokugawa-era writer Ihara Saikaku joked that since there are no women for the first three generations in the genealogy of the gods found in the Nihon Shoki, the gods must have enjoyed homosexual relationships—which Saikaku argued was the real origin of nanshoku.
Same-sex love spread to the warrior (samurai) class, where it was customary for a boy in the wakashū age category to undergo training in the martial arts by apprenticing to a more experienced adult man. The relationship was based on the typical nenja, who loves, and the typically younger chigo, who is loved. The man was permitted, if the boy agreed, to take the boy as his lover until he came of age.

>>46302559
>>46303757
Being taken as an acolyte into the Buddhist monastary and direct pupil under the head monk. She grew comfortable with having you present throughout her habitual responsibilities .
Very Comfortable.
Physically comfortable when she compelled you to join her in more personal training.
Now she ensures you such a antiquated custom of relationships is necessary to foster good habits in your monastic practice and the feelings between you two are not at all inhibiting your path to enlightenment according to the traditional teachings.

>>46303757
>>46304112
>Japanese Buddhists confirmed into not only yaoi, but shota yaoi
Man that explains soooooo much

>>46304112
There are a group of human villagers at her monastery. So you will have competition with old bastards and shotas.

Im going to nuke Gensokyo if people insist in portraing Byakuren without her cape.
The cape makes her look 1000002% more badass and better and cooler.

Agreed, I miss the cape.

>>46309163
>>46310335
She doesn't wear a cape anymore.
She now wears low cut side tie micro thong party panties

>>46230247
i regret to inform you byakuren is theravadan and like a million years old

abusing sex and not dedicating yourself to the buddha's teachings is a big no-no, and you can throw that satori zen nonsense out the window. you aren't becoming becoming enlightened by sweeping the shrine, you're a slave to buddhist dogma. miko's a domineering cunt but at least she doesn't try to take the moral high ground, most of the time anyway. ever wonder why byakuren got locked up in makai? it wasn't due to sheltering youkai that murdered people by the hundreds, she was so preachy that she got booted into literal hell for religious zealotry

on top of that she's a friggin magician, living in that huge mansion of a temple. byakuren is the gensokyo equivalent of a megachurch pastor, or hell the moonies in modern japan. i'd bet she bribes yukari for tax breaks while poor shrine maidens elsewhere are in poverty. ever wonder why she got locked up

>>46313816
>byakuren is theravadan
She isn't.

>>46313816
Byakuren is a practitioner of Shingon Buddhism.

>>46302791
>God, Japanese Buddhists really are just East Asian Catholics
As painfully true as this may be, at least they don't worship a jew. Phew!

>>46317310
They worship a poo. Phew!

>>46317445
Way better than a hooked nose heeb! Better to worship a million poos than to worship one long nose!

>>46317452
Poo bathe and eat poo.
But yeah Marx and the new atheists are bad

>>46309163
>>46310335
Milo stole her cape just like she stole her followers and spot in the popularity poll

>>46313816
Pretty much all the religious leaders are wannabe megachurch pastor

They wish they had the fuck off money of American Christian religious leaders

>>46313816
>>46319624
This would be funny if it were true. You got her religion wrong since she's a shingon Buddhist. Also you're comparing a chaste monk that lives in a modest temple without any creature comforts, who eats food so bland and boring that her own followers struggle to scarf it down, while the only vehicle she owns is a bike that practically fell onto her lap, to a greedy old piece of shit who owns a million different jets and has a networth that makes Bijiri look like a Shion tier poorfag.
If anything Miko is far more like that old guy. That bitch conned all of Japan and doesn't even teach her followers anything like Hijiri does. She's the one who uses and abuses them and is a megalomaniacal bitch who wants to rule the human village. Miko also has that cult leader charisma.
Normally when someone is this wrong I know that it's bait, but jptards normally hate Hijiri and ride Miko's dick And now that I think about it, Byakuren is in the middle of reforming Joon, the greediest whore. It's pretty impressive that she made some progress on a goddess of greed. Maybe the knuckle heads in this thread and that Christian boomer should be forced to train under Bijiri. Goddamn desire obsessed morons...

>>46302791
>God, Japanese Buddhists really are just East Asian Catholics
This isn't exactly a 1:1 thing. Japanese buddhists don't follow a heavily centralised and profoundly corrupt institution/religion that assembles all of the priestly pedophiles like they're the avengers as they scam their worshipers out of their money (see how rich the pope is for example)...that was also responsible for millions of deaths and societal and technological stagnation. They also don't worship a jew. This alone places them faaaar above Kektholocism.

>>46321689
>This isn't exactly a 1:1 thing. Japanese buddhists don't follow a heavily centralised and profoundly corrupt institution/religion that assembles all of the priestly pedophiles like they're the avengers as they scam their worshipers out of their money
>that was also responsible for millions of deaths and societal and technological stagnation
I’m pretty sure the only thing right about this is the Jew part.

>>46323096
Dude you just made a greentext of my post without really saying anything. I'm glad you at least agree on the jew part though. That alone is as devastating as it is embarrassing. It's a small reason why I wouldn't mind training with Byakuren as opposed to praying with Sariel or whatever.

>>46321408
>>46313816
Now kiss.

>>46323208
There was an image attached to the post, but I understand a Buddhist not knowing history… or how to google.

I also just thought the idea that Japanese Buddhists weren’t massive pedophiles nor warmongers was funny enough that it didn’t need further explanation.

>>46323208
>praying with Sariel
... To Shinki?

>>46325503
Funnily enough Christianity lost favour in Japan because the religion was too peaceful. When the Japanese invaded Korea it was the Christians who dragged their feet most of all, and were too reluctant to engage in the usual mass enslavement, mutilation of the dead, mass killings of women and children that Japan was doing in Korea. This made the Shogun and the major daimyos believe Christianity was a dishonourable, weak religion unlike the Buddhists, and was a large reason behind its later outlawment and mass killings of suspected Christians.

>>46321689
ban evading is against the rules

>>46327222
That can't be true, ain't no way CHRISTIANS were too peaceful for someone. What level of psychopathy were Japanese Buddhists on?

Damn, Japanese Buddhism meeting Chinese "Brother of Christ" Christianity would've probably depopulated all of Asia.

>>46321689
This whole post is as hilarious as it is full of blatant lies.

>>46278908
lmao, sounds very unpractical and makes me wonder when things start to be considered a cross but it sounds funny, guess I'll have to watch it.
>>46317604
But Miko's cape is very showy unlike Byakuren's which is probably the most discrete one in 2hu.
>>46327208
She seems pretty nice for a god, a bit silly tho.

>>46327866
Mikos cape makes up like 130% of her body as well. Batman levels

>>46321408
All the religious leaders are money grubbing whores, there’s a whole game about hiw they wanna bleed the villagers dry. Trust me, they’d envy the fuck out of Chuck Bengle over here.

>>46335676
>All the religious leaders are money grubbing whores
>All leaders are money grubbing whores
Ftfy

>>46230247

>>46343139
Everyone who says they can rule you, will only ever exploit you.

>>46366201
All of society is about controlling you.
Governments will put you in prison for not paying taxes and you need a passport to leave their arbitrary borders. You can't just leave you need their permission first.

Such a negative thread for a kind hearted woman.

I'm gonna m
And

Sloshing sound from her breasts when she walks

>>46383407
Big heavy sloshing boobies from mommy monk!!

Byakuren's ass is visible by the front.

>>46335676
Can you explain in exact detail why Bijiri is a money grubbing whore instead of applying group behavior to one person? She eats simple bland food and we dont even know if she has an income aside from the odd donation here and there. If she were a money grubbing whore it would be painfully obvious since there are other characters who are like that and scam people (like Joon, who is currently being reformed by Bijiri).

>>46371149
So disheartening to see, isn't it

>>46371149
She just wants peace and equality for everyone

>>46230247
>give up all worldly pleasures
lol nope, why be immortal if you can't enjoy it
Thats why the other immortality methods in gensokyo are better

>>46240885
god I love that shit eating grin on her face

>>46371149
Youkai hands typed this

>>46402792
Never gonna happend, less with a cynical like Byakuren

Captcha: H0NK

>>46403774
Taoist hands typed this

>>46402792
Pretty sure this doujin single-handedly ruined Byakuren reputation for like 5 years.

Japanese and Chinese buddhism doesn't count because it had been distorted with Nativist Religious that has nothing to do with it.

>>46230247
>being shackled by such worldly desires
Your ass is not escaping Samsara.

Fun fact: Byakuren spilled grape kool-aid on her head and was upset at first then liked the way her hair looked and kept coloring her hair like that afterwards

>>46406627
Japanese Buddhism is kind of psychotic admittedly

>>46406014
Tell me the name, please.

Hijiri is a good character because she isn't perfect. If she was, then she already would have achieved enlightenment. She in a fright turned to heretic methods to preserve her life after her brother died. She can't undo that.
What matters is that she actively tries to better herself and follow the scriptures.

>>46413887
Buddha never taught the scriptures she follows.

>>46413525
dynasty-scans.com/chapters/love_and_peace

>>46416334
Buddha looking at Japanese Buddhism in horror like.

“The fuck you mean children who die before their parents burn in the hell where you stack rocks, where did you get that from?!?!?”

Shhhh...
You're safe with me.

>>46413887
>What matters is that she actively tries to better herself and follow the scriptures.
She doesn't though, her Dream Self confirms as much. Incidentally, it also shows that she still hasn't recovered from the mindbreak of Myouren's death and continues to be clingy as fuck (hot). Best bet would be for her to end up attached to someone who would actually push her to be better, but considering all her current friends are youkai, at least one of which is still stated to be actively eager to drown people...

>>46419624
byakuren grooms her followers with mindbreaking lesbian sex sutras!

>>46419770
Hell, her dream self half jokingly wishes she could put bombs in people heads to stop them from disobeying her. She also apparently has assassins of Kogasa was being serious

i cant believe the yukarifags were right, being into touhou for too much time makes start liking evil women

>>46424995
Yukari and Okina are the best because they no hindrances on who they really are. They’re assholes and proud of it. Plus they’re hot as fuck

>>46425012
what about kanako?

>>46418404
https://youtu.be/JOqbvdy-BO0?si=AXJKspScMfJz3cMX

>>46424995
Those Yukarifags usually delude themselves into thinking she's actually competent. Most women in Touhou aren't full-on evil, but if you like dysfunctional women, there's plenty.

I don't like Byakuren at all, but I must admit she makes for a great subject for porn.

That's why I made some today.

https://files.catbox.moe/d9cdeu.jpg

>>46426644
>I
>made

>>46426566
>Most women in Touhou aren't full-on evil
>the animal kingdom
>seiga
>medicine
>kisume
>the evil spirits
>letty

>>46426829
Medicine is explicitly stated to be moving on from her hatred of humans, and I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to get at with Letty. Are you, by chance, on drugs, Anon?

Anyway even counting those, and obviously, say, Rumia, in terms of named individuals they're a small portion of characters, so yes, MOST characters aren't full-on evil.

>>46426867
>Letty
nta but isnt letty a yukiona?

>>46426644
body looks kind of weird. Probably should have cut it from the picture entirely

>>46426875
She is, yes, but what we get of her character seems amicable enough, and most named youkai in gensokyo aren't actually as murderous as their mythological counterparts.

>>46426867
I don't know what my point was

>>46426883
>most named youkai in gensokyo aren't actually as murderous as their mythological counterparts
is that really the case? at this point i dont know whats a joke in universe, out of universe, whats canon, whats just exagerations and what are rumors, i have been discussing canon for way too long on this board

>>46426902
Gensokyo is as it is in your heart, anon.

>>46426902
In-universe it's best to go off of shown actions and behaviors. If someone's statements contradict what you can see done, they're probably mistaken or lying, which are common things in Gensokyo. Keep that in mind especially when reading works like PMiSS or SoPM that these are in-universe documents, and ones available to the human villagers have to maintain the in-setting narrative that interacting with youkai is generally death if you can't escape or somehow strike a deal for your life.

Is murderous gensokyo full of dangerous but cute youkai girls a recent trend? Had people on this board had different thoughts, say, 10 years ago?

>>46427122
what about the dream selves?

>>46426902
I like to think most have mellowed out due to the rules of Gensokyo. Obviously there's going to be some fuck around and find out but most aren't going to be openly malicious because it's not worth getting executed by Reimu/Yukari over.

>>46427170
They're the equivalent of Jungian Shadow Selves, they explicitly have no impulse control whatsoever and are the repressed traits of characters. Some are closer to the characters' normal selves than others, (see: Thread Related) but generally it would be incorrect to assume they're the 'true selves' of their respective characters.

>>46425276
I take back all my criticism of Byakuren, because apparently just existing as a women in Japanese Buddhism is enough to get you 10 trillion years in hell.

I would probably try everything in my power to achieve immortality to escape my fate no matter the cost as well

>>46426902
Gensokyo is basically fine if you’re a youkai/god or a villager as you’re basically needed to maintain its very existence. So to all main characters it’s a-ok as there’s the spell card rules and what not.

If you are, however, an outsider or someone who dares challenge the existence of Gensokyo and you don’t have the power/waifu material to defend yourself… it’s basically Hell. The youkai are only not as murderous because they have to be… if they were free from their constraints… it basically be like that Blood C rabbit scene on a country scale

>>46427638
Anon, if things weren't like that a thousand years prior in Japan, why the fuck would they be like that now? Japan would be deserted if youkai were doing that much killing in the past. None of that shit happened on this sort of scale in mythology, and nearly every youkai has superstitious rules that you can rely on to defeat them. Hell, the latest CoLA chapter canonised there being factions between the youkai for those who think outsiders should be left alone too and those who think they should be able to do what they want to outsiders. There's a reasonably good chance that if you as an outsider, wete dropped into Gensokyo, a youkai would take you to Reimu to get sent back because they don't want to risk your disappearance putting Gensokyo at risk of being discovered.

>>46427373
But it would be also wrong to dismiss them as just "intrusive thoughts", they are also a part of the character that needs to be recognized and adressed.

>>46427678
Mamizou basically admits to wanting to declare war on the outside world in one of the fighting games, and youkai slaughtering thousands of people is literally canon within both mythological and touhou (Kasen outright confirms this with the literal mountains of bodies of the people she killed she poors on reimu) and that was just one oni.
Youkai, again, are nice to humans because they need them to fear them, they can't outright kill them all, and i'm sure some of them don't want to be as murderous as they were... but i promise you if they had the ability to do so a lot of the characters would Third Impact humanity with no remorse.

>>46428356
Ibaraki-Douji is an outlier, she's one youkai, but that's like saying Goku is just one saiyan, and that every one was on his scale. A lot of characters are scummy, yes, but saying they would cause an Impact is completely false and dishonest with yourself.
>>46428326
I never went so far as to dismiss them as just that, but even if we recognize them as genuine desires, they aren't acted on for the most part barring, again, thread related, and even she didn't actually try to implant bombs in peoples' heads. They're charicatures of repressed aspects that should be acknowledged, but can't be taken at face value as a representation of a character.

>>46428382
I guess what I am trying to say is that Byakuren is not this holy perfect figure everyone think she is, she has questionable thoughts and even methods as Aya points out in one manga, I dont remember which one, shes just another "gray" character, and depending on how you analyze her (or how much you hate her), shes neutral at best and neutral evil at worst.
>inb4 grimsokyo
Im more in the jerksokyo camp desu, not saying that KKHTA Byakuren is canon Byakuren, but that shes actually far closer to Miko and how she operates than what she or her followers are willing to admit.

>>46428382
>they aren't acted on for the most part barring
The more damming and less obviously a joke of the two does happen.
The point here is to show that Byakuren is dishonest, like a jerk.

>>46428432
>>46428464
Byakuren is a woman who went off the deep end after her brother died and is more afraid of losing the few bonds she made afterwards, which were youkai almost certainly because they're much less liable to die than humans, and while she does shove chores onto them as training, she would reneg on that in a heartbeat if she thought it would drive them away. Yeah, she's dishonest, but frankly I'd say she's more of a pitiable lonely type than loathesome like Yukari, who actively takes part in causing peoples' deaths from what we know of her.

Wow I wasn't expecting this thread to be so angry!

>>46349987
I do like this image a lot. I've had the pleasure of attending a mass given by Cardinal O'Malley of Boston, it was worth seeing in person, he has quite a lot of gravitas

>>46428382
>Ibaraki is an outlier
1.) She ain’t, in mythology or touhou she’s not even remotely the meanest oni/youkai nor the one with the biggest body count
2.) It doesn’t take that many like her to be catastrophic on just Japan, if even 10 youkai were like her thousands upon thousands would die, hell even in Touhou she was only stopped by an ancient magic blade so the average person would be defenseless.
3.) Other youkai had bigger plans for total control at best, total destruction at worst. Like I said, mamizou dream self outright says she wants total control of Japan if she ever amasses the power to do it. Knowing how some tanuki straight up eat people it ain’t gonna be a bloodless rebellion either.

I think it's silly to imply or pretend that Hijiri never does chores herself.

Hijirin's favorite chore is secretly giving me a handjob while preaching her sermons.

Byakuren is the best mama.

Does anyone in this thread actually practice Buddhism? Favorite sutras? Favorite Buddhas/Bodhisattvas? For me it's the Vimalakirti or Kshitigarbha Sutras and Guanyin Pusa.

>>46432367
I enjoy the Kama Sutra

>>46432367
I don't, but getting into Touhou has inspired me to learn more about the religions featured in the games. So how'd you end up practicing Buddhism and which came first, Buddhism or Touhou?

>>46432617
That's Hindu Dharma, I believe.
>>46432652
Touhou first, then Buddhism a few years later. Started with Theravada, found out about Chinese Mahayana, and haven't looked back since I read the Pure Land sutras. I won't say I'm incredibly well versed, as I can't read Simplified Chinese yet, but one day I will, I hope. Til then I'm stuck with English translations of sutras, which are pretty good depending upon the temple and lineage you get them from.

>>46432753
>Hindu Dharma
Sanatana Dharma more broadly speaking, Hindu is a misnomer of a term.

>>46432753
I see. Did the games have any impact in you getting interested in buddhism? There's certainly some (rather surface level, I suppose) buddhist things in the games.

I have some background in western esotericism and got into the games only fairly recently. My previous expose to Touhou was mostly the memes, the music and of course the hentai and watching one of my friends play Imperishable Night 10+ years ago. So I was very surprised how much spiritual/religious stuff there is in the games. I find the games themselves strangely meditative too, the absolute focus they demand, the mandala-like danmaku patterns, the aesthetic qualities...

>>46432941
They somewhat influenced me, but I must add that in my following Chinese religion in general, I'm not only Buddhist, but also Daoist and Shen to a certain extent. I even have a fox shrine I'm building to fit my living quarters. Though to say every Chinese person practices all of these would be false, a large portion does so, and a lot of Buddhist Chinese people have no problem with a Daoist giving a funeral if they are the closest available option. Yes, Touhou is rather surface level when it comes to these things, but it's nice in a way. It reminds me of how the Vimalakirti Sutra is one part wisdom, one part comedy, specifically making Sariputra and the other Arhats the butt of so many jokes in the text, all in the name of good humor.

>>46433001
>but also Daoist and Shen to a certain extent
Oh, nice. I've got a question: How do you think Miko became familiar with Taoism? Are there any hints of Taoists entering Japan in the era of Prince Shotoku? Because Onmyoudo came after Miko became a hermit and got sealed.

>>46433063
That's largely a relation between China and Japan that stretches back possibly as far as the Sixteen Kingdoms period, although certainly by the Tang Dynasty, with the two interchanging various forms of culture, technology, and religious innovation for centuries. Japan has always had shamanistic practices similar to China, and the importation of Daoist thought during the Tang (600's to 900's) was simply seen as a slightly new way of viewing the already current religious practices of Japan. What we think of as Shinto was never unified in thought or form the way we see it today, and the same can be said of Daoism, which was always a stew of ideas rather than a hierarchical and structured religion. It would indeed be possible to say that Daoist practices had already become known to Japan around the time period you are describing, if not a bit later for sure.

>>46433001
Oh, interesting. I know very little of Chinese religion beyond scattered bits about buddhism and daoism. It appears that chinese religion is very syncretic, much like japanese religion is.

>>46433126
It's very syncretic, both between religions, and in them as well. For instance, although Esoteric Chinese Mahayana was diminished significantly during the persecutions of the 890's, it's forms were largely adopted by the other lineages, which is why today you find Jingtu monks and nuns adoring and chanting the mantra of Thousand Armed Guan Yin Pusa during certain times of the day, or the adoration of Vajrapani and Vairocana. In certain forms of Daoist practice (which as I've mentioned is not a unified religion, but a series of practices and forms that relate to each other in sometimes tangential ways) you'll find hermits in the Zhongnan mountain range reciting the name and visualizing Guan Yin alongside the Lady of the Nine Heavens.

>>46433171
Mind you, Pure Land itself isn't considered it's own school by a large portion of the Chinese population, but rather a Dharma Door and form of practice that complements any lineage one is in.

>>46431817
Biker mom that is good at teasing with her body while wearing such lewd outfit.

>>46433107
In the other thread about Miko, I found this
https://www.japanesewiki.com/history/Jugonshi.html
https://www.japanesewiki.com/history/Jugon%20hakase.html
>The jugonshi came into existence through the influence of Daoism on Japan, and carried out medical treatments by purifying any ailments caused by supernatural or magical forces.
I believe this was what caught Miko's interest in Taoism.

>>46433219
That sounds about right, but then again my knowledge of Japan is rather limited.
> but full-blown jugonshi do not appear in the written record until the section of the "Nihonshoki" describing the year 691
It would also make sense that these types of sorcerers would have made an earlier appearance, but considering it was usually the elite in Japan who were literate, it makes sense that they may not have written about them until quite a bit later.

>>46433171
Do the practioners of the various religions acknowledge this syncretism, or is it that they do things taken from other religions but claim it as their own? This sort of thing is really fascinating as someone to someone who comes from European background. Christianity, especially the various offshoots of Protestantism really likes to pretend to be extremely insular, but if you scratch the surface you find all kinds of hold-overs from pre-christian religions, influence from classical greek and ancient egyptian philosophy and so on.

>>46433329
It depends on space, time, state, province, lineage, etc. I'd say a significant portion (if not a majority) of any religion in China is willing to admit to this syncretism, but they largely don't care. From my understanding of the way religion works in the mainland, it's largely results oriented, although you do have regional flavoring (such as the fact that the vast majority of fox cults are found in Northern China rather than in the South historically). As such, if a particular god or system isn't benefiting you, there's no shame in giving prayers and devotions to another deity, although if your family has a patron deity you may still have to offer the various rites and rituals to them while also honoring your ancestors and your chosen deity. And again this varies region to region, pole to pole, so to speak. Most Daoists and Buddhists, especially ones practicing esotericism, would happily acknowledge the debt they owe to each other for their various gods.

Do you think ZUN is going to add a more western religion to touhou at some point?

>>46433385
he's always been against it as far as I'm aware because he doesn't think that monotheistic religions really have a place in touhou
I think he could add reimaginings of saints and I really wish he'd add more western folklore and mythology though

>>46433385
I'd love to see Zun add an Arian Christian who is some sort of Gothic speaking barbarian for funsies, or maybe a Manichean girl of some kind. He seems the type to add Christian elements for flavor more than anything.

>>46433371
Thank you anon, you seem like a very learned person. Can you recommend me any resources for learning more about these things on my own time?

>>46433412
Certainly, give me a few moments to collect source material.

>>46433397
There's always the various european polytheisms of past and weird stuff from fringes of christian esotericism that would probably be more to his taste. He already took Hecatia and Clownpiece from greek polytheism, and Clownpiece being inspired by the lampad nymphs is bit of a deep cut.

>>46433412
>>46433426
For starters you have Eva Wong, who has written many books on Daoism, all of which are of high quality, although not necessarily academic. For fox worship specifically you really only have The Cult of the Fox by Xiaofei Kang in English. For Chinese Mahayana I would recommend Thomas Cleary's Sutra translations, as well as Yael Bentor's Chinese and Tibetan Esoteric Buddhism, Charles B. Jones's Chinese Pure Land Buddhism, Chun-fang Yu's Chinese Buddhism a Thematic History, and Richard K Payne's Esoteric Pure Land Buddhism for a history that spends a little time on the Chinese side, but the majority on the Japanese side of Pure Land practice. For Daoism you'll find it's a bit harder to find more current literature in English, but Wong is a great starting point. For a general overview of Chinese philisophy, I would recommend An Introduction to Chinese Philosophy by Jee Loo Liu.

>>46433385
>>46433397
>>46433408
I mean, Hecatia exists, nothing stops him from adding more greek and roman stuff, the only big religion that is monotheistic is the christian one, and since Sariel isnt coming back, might as well add more politeistic stuff, like from South America.
Theres also norse mythology, which is fucking weird is not included given that japan LOVES norse mythology.

>>46433486
Big thanks anon!

>>46433511
You're welcome. Most of these can be found on libgen if your finances are tight, but I would recommend supporting the authors if you ever get some money flowing in.

>>46433385
Not western, but I would like to see his takes on Mongolian myths like King Gesar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_of_King_Gesar

>>46433523
Money is not a big issues, I already buy a couple of books every 2-3 months anyway.

>>46433385
We know what Touhou needs? GILGAMESH.
He already changed Mikos gender from guy to gal, nothings stopping him from doing it again.

>>46433547
That's fortunate. Do keep in mind that some of these are relatively expensive, specifically Esoteric Pure Land Buddhism, which when I last checked was around 90 dollars, although they may have come out with a cheaper paperback version since then.

>>46433385
>>46433397
I kind of agree with him on that front, stuff like Christianity and Islam are kind anacronistic with stuff in touhou and kind of muddies the water with how a lot of eastern religions work in the first place. Stuff like Norse/Greek mythology works way better and is a lot less disruptive with the way Gensokyo works
I think at best for a monotheistic religion in Touhou would be like Hinduism, and thats only because its "mono"theistic in the loosest terms and its got broader connections to buddhism.

>>46433397
>ZUN turns the prophet Muhammad into a cute anime girl
>Starts a holy war that destroys the world
>Gets his house firebombed

>>46429462
We've seen Byakuren managing plenty of aspects of the temple throughout the various works, but knowing that would require engaging with the actual sources: this is too hard for Taofags, who can only parrot a line by Dream Byakuren (not the actual Byakuren, like the comparison of the other absurd dream selves with their real counterparts obviously suggests: again, this requires one to read the whole thing instead of spamming /jp/ with headcanons).

>>46433888
You can’t really pull the “only the dream self act like this” when >>46428464 has happened in canon.

>>46435726
I still think you and others are reading way too much into Aya making a smartass comment to herself and again, it's silly to think that Byakuren would never does chores herself just because she doesn't happen to be doing them right at the moment she's doing a toured interview.

>>46403751
I know right? Peak Tewi.
>>46426566
>Those Yukarifags usually delude themselves into thinking she's actually competent. Most women in Touhou aren't full-on evil, but if you like dysfunctional women, there's plenty.
If you're gonna flanderize them this hard, you can just start posting on twitter or reddit.

What does bhudism says about other religions? If I was christian and I was good dude, would I go to heaven or hell in that religion?

>>46440262
Not sure if this is all encompassing, but i'm pretty sure Buddhism Hell is just based on actions instead of belief, so you don't have to believe in anything for it to affect you.

... Problem is that Buddhist Hell(s) is ridiculously easy to get into depending on the sect, so you could just be sent there for 20 trillion years for stepping on a cockroach when you were 12.

>>46444094
My grandma was a Buddhist, and she told me this story when I was a kid: In India, 2 roommates, a Buddhist monk and a butcher, lived together. They were great friends, despite their different lifestyles and beliefs. Every morning, the monk would wake the butcher up early so he can prepare meat his meat stall at the local market. And every night, the butcher would remind the monk to stay up for prayers, because the monk gets sleepy easily at night and often forgets. When they died, the monk, despite his pure life and belief, went to hell for waking up the butcher every morning, because this is pretty much encouraging other people to slaughter animals. Meanwhile, the butcher got off easy because he encouraged the monk to pray every night.

I'm still not quite sure what to make of that story, but it's one of the reasons I'm not Buddhist.

>>46235451
>>46402154
I love how everyone conveniently ignored these two posts because it's indisputable. No evidence of her being greedy for money and she definitely has the tightest virgin pussy out of them all and that Miko is a wanton whore who'll eat out old man ass and get creampied in orgies just to ascend.

>>46444555
By that story's logic, a public bus driver will go to hell since many of the people they drive around could be criminals.

>>46433385
>Do you think ZUN is going to add a more western religion to touhou at some point?
It's called Oriental Project for a reason, anon. This is like wondering when a sushi place will start selling burgers and pizzas and wondering if the staff can cook sushi for you on a grill.
>>46444094
>>46444555
Safe to say a lot of denominations of Buddhism seem to be chronically retarded. Although these hells are nothing compared to the christian one where you're essentially given an INFINITE punishment for a FINITE sin.

>>46444922
You're right but there are fairies, werewolves and mermaids in the game.

>>46444848
And the sun rises in the east, Anon. Most of us just don't need to be told that to know.

>>46445028
nta, but he probably meant that it's mostly eastern so having any foreign religious faction is very unlikely. He even made EoSD western for fun but I'm not sure if he'll ever do that again.
Not sure how to distinguish nip from hellenistic based(?) mermaids after moefication. Aside from eating them, I guess
But we also have Heca, vamps, maids, witches, hobgoblins a chupacabra. And some tiny refs to other things in spellcards and song titles , but yeah not much... Although a lot of fashion is pretty western.
>>46444922
I gotta honestly check wtf Buddhism is about, I guess that at least in Japan you had to fail judgement from 10 kings and the living could perform some rituals to kinda bail you out from hell?
Dunno if all buddhism is that strict or if it's a case of "eating shrimp is a sin cuz it has no scales nor fins".

>>46435726
I can pull the "You're a retard in bad faith for bringing up the tabloid journo intentionally misinterpreting every action of hers in an obviously absurd way" card.

>>46436578
>>46446341
Aya's bullshit aside, you can see what's going on in the panels. Add to that Byakuren's attitude on her underlings throughout the Symposium, and the overall picture isn't very flattering.

>>46235451
https://youtu.be/lA4DFOCwnwk?si=3L9_ezp-Lgzcdzbp

>>46446369
I can see you're delusional.

>>46448618
Just like Byakuren, then!

>>46446369
>you can see what's going on in the panels.
...byakuren giving a tour?

>>46448626
xd

>>46444922
>>46444555
Really such things depends, as you said, on a lineage by lineage basis, not necessarily even in terms of dharma doors. Intention in this matter is more important than action, although the two are complementary. There are indeed many stories of fools, butchers, murderers, and other "bad" people in society that achieve some level of realization from practicing insight and compassion.
>>46445893
I know the post I'm responding to are old, but if you wish I can give you links to free books to read on the subject.

>>46444922
Christian Hell basically exists to scare people into loving Jesus as their lord and savior, so like from a marketing angle i get why it exists to get more converts. (Also theres arguments that Christian Hell doesn't even exist in the original text and is actually just a metaphor for total annihilation with eternal life being through Jesus only but thats a whole can of worms)

Buddhist Hell(s) just kinda seem to exist to scare the fuck out of people for no reason, like no matter what you do you're kinda boned unless you literally give up everything in your life and become a hobo in the woods.

>>46450031
That's somewhat of a misnomer. Depending upon lineage, some schools would argue that naraka is very hard to get into, you really have to be a serious dick to fall into hell. And even then, my lineage would argue that the whole "You're suffering for ten quintillion years" is unlikely, as killing a mosquito shouldn't end up in you getting crushed by a mountain made of metal animals for millennia.

>>46448837
Yes Aya. She also sends murder spirits to haunt innocent people while they're drinking!

>>46451721
Shit, meant to reply >>46446369
While I get Byak slander sometimes people feel like they get literally anything to criticize her... Dunno, picking a the Aya has a hateboner chapter is a bit odd imo.

>>46449726
>if you wish I can give you links to free books to read on the subject.
I don't know where to start, if to start with some Indian stuff as close as the original or if to jump directly to Japanese buddhism but I guess I could start picking one of the recommendations here >>46433486 (probably yours), but yeah it's mostly not knowing were to start for me.

>>46450031
I would still say that christian hell is far worse. Facing eternity of pain or total annihilation for not worshiping someone or something is utterly absurd. At least in Buddhism it's all about your individual actions and how you positively or negatively influence others or the world around you, even if some lineages might exaggerate it.