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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels and the use of Machine Translation Tools.

What MTL app are you using? What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished?

>> No.45271924

LMAO

>> No.45271950

Of course, if people have suggestions for what the OP should be like, please go ahead.

>> No.45271994

>>45271917
>>45271924
>>45271950
Kill yourself

>> No.45271999
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Shalom /jp/

>> No.45272015

now that deepL is kill, which MTL do you use now?

>> No.45272022

>>45272015
Deepl still works tho?

>> No.45272032
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Holy fucking kino

>> No.45272044

>>45272022
retard

>> No.45272061
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>> No.45272069
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>> No.45272080

>>45272044
take your meds shithead fucking faggot

>> No.45272117

>>45272080
you are blind and illiterate lmao

>> No.45272134

>>45272117
cope harder homosexual troll scum

>> No.45272140

>>45272134
>homosexual
Holy fucking faggot

>> No.45272713

>koikatsu tier character as OP
>angry American MTLers screeching at each other
lol lmao

>> No.45272767

>MTL nukige for quick fap
>enter into a bullying drama arc
>nothing to fap to
Haha it's just like this thread.

>> No.45273082

>>45272767
sorry for not giving you enough to fap to

>> No.45273219

>>45271917
If you want to use MTL at least keep the original japanese text don't just blindly mtl it without context

>> No.45273373

>>45272713
>Koikatsu tier character.
Kek yuzuslopper im shambles

>> No.45278829

So what is everyone MTLing?

>> No.45280052

>>45278829
装甲悪鬼村正
神咒神威神楽
信天翁航海録
紅殻町博物誌
霞外籠逗留記
花散峪山人考

>> No.45280130

>>45272015
i use chat gpt. it's about as good as someone who has learned japanese for 4 years or so my friend told me.

>> No.45280357

>>45280052
Screenshots for my meme folder please

>> No.45281987
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You cannot do worse that this. Prove me wrong.
You'll never read Mareni in Japanese

>> No.45288920
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>> No.45293371

>>45271917
just learn japanese

>> No.45293689

>>45293371
>learn japanese
>just learn japanese
少なくとも同人誌が読める人として、それらに違いは大変ですよ
If you were placed in one of those DBZ-esque time chambers until you took the time and effort that I did to pick up my mediocre level, or really the level of anyone who can read doujin-level without a teacher and only the guides for training, I doubt you would be throwing "just" around as much.
I question the value of "just" learning Japanese over "just" using machine translation if you're just looking for context for an eroge or some similarly small need.

>> No.45294519

>>45293689
Just don't be low IQ, retard.

>> No.45296312

>>45294519
So if some retard with low IQ comes to you and asks you if it is worth it to them to learn Japanese for reasons you would learn Japanese yourself, what advice could you give to them?
If the person is unable to "just" do the thing which you describe as the prerequisite for learning Japanese, what would you prescribe that person from good intentions in order to better understand the material they currently fail to understand?
Is machine learning an unreasonable crutch or cope in this case?

Your lack of concern for the people who fail to meet your established standard makes you uninteresting as someone who could potentially teach or advise.

>> No.45298022

I think ChatGPT MTL is good for learning if you don't understand something while hookcucking. Just my opinion ok. read all the kamige this way after a few months and I don't use hooks anymore lol.

>> No.45298198

>>45293689
>>45296312
Stop being so roundabout about it, you're anonymous, people will be more likely to give you an earnest answer if you're being honest about your issues and insecurities.

Anyway to briefly give some perspective, think of it that way: everything you do is ingrained into your brain as a part of your living process. If you constantly rely on a tool to think in your stead in order to grasp grammar then your neurons will never build the needed connections for you to understand grammar/the language on your own.
In fact I would argue that even the ability to instantly check vocabulary can be detrimental vs. manual dictionary lookup as it doesn't let a chance for your brain to ingrain individual readings and kanji pattern recognition ー though it's understandable that a certain amount of easiness is needed depending on the individual's abilities to focus and manage their attention, especially during the first year of learning.

>> No.45299861

>>45298198
>people will be more likely to give you an earnest answer if you're being honest about your issues and insecurities.
My insecurity is with people who shoot down others using crutches WITHOUT giving a similarly crutch-like level of assistance to whatever state they desire the crutch-user to achieve.
That's just a basic failure of empathy which is more obnoxious than the validity of whatever is prescribed. And yes I make this point on 4chan of all sites, I'm aware.

>> No.45299950

>>45298198
This is a literal bait thread made because OP probably had a hissy fit and got told to "fuck off with hookshit" in one of the VN threads.

There is nothing genuine here for anyone. Fuck off.

>> No.45300017

>>45299950
Seethe

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>>45299950
>This is a literal bait thread made because OP probably had a hissy fit and got told to "fuck off with hookshit" in one of the VN threads.
Believable, but if someone isn't willing to pick up Japanese and telling them to "fuck off" has no effect on their topical discussion, making another thread is the most appropriate action.
No matter how bad/shit/onerous you find the discussion, isn't it better to just point them to this thread if you're not going to raise them to your status? These anons don't exist for you to feel superior over.
>There is nothing genuine her-
So anywho, it's been many years since I've had to use a text hooker, and in that time I've stopped using Windows or MacOS outside of my job.
Since ITH derivatives are using DLL injection (eww) that requires some reverse-engineering of individual game engines to derive the "hook" calls to make, I was wondering if there was something less invasive that could be done, either in wine or another OS-independent manner. Fortunately the hook logic has been cleaned up and abstracted a bit:
https://github.com/TsudaKageyu/minhook/blob/423d1e45af2ed2719a5c31e990e935ef301ed9c3/src/hook.c

>> No.45301772

>>45271950
I recall there being links to text hookers in other generals, particularly those without a native EN port or localization differences. Making a pastebin-esque dump for that would be nice.

>> No.45304260

bumperino

>> No.45304736

>>45304260
Why?

>> No.45305483

>>45299950
>There is nothing genuine here for anyone. Fuck off.
You can seethe all you want because you wasted your time but this is real
>>45298022

>> No.45305687

>>45298022
>I think ChatGPT MTL is good for learning if you don't understand something while hookcucking.
I agree. Whenever I don't understand something and google doesn't help, I just ask it to breakdown the sentence and explain
Hard to tell if it's bullshitting or not but I think it's accurate for the most part

>> No.45305956

>>45305687
It's inaccurate time to time, especially when feeding it something without much context. Sometimes it'll mess up pronouns and shit out ESL level sentences but this isn't difficult at all to see the bullshit if you already understand basic grammar. Can always ask natives to cross check too if you're still confused.
At the end, if you're just looking for a second opinion to understand powerpoints better, it does fine as one and much better than asking advice from the usual Dunning Kruger "specialist" who constantly seethes about it and other learners.

>> No.45306730

>>45301753
ocr is good enough already. someone just needs to train a specialized model properly, optimize it and package it without 2gb of python bloat, and it'll be better than all the brittle hooking shit, especially as time goes on
>>45305687
>>45305956
yeah, someone who needs to fall back on mtl probably makes even worse guesses than the mtl on average. and once they get good enough that they don't, then they're able to easily tell when the mtl is nonsense. so either way the fact that it makes mistakes doesn't ultimately work as an argument against using it.
the only way it can hurt your learning is if you mtl before even trying to understand the text, because then you waste learning opportunities and slow down you progress. but that's not an argument against using mtl either, just against using it like a retard.

>> No.45306761

>>45293689
It really is a "just"
Up to 2 months of effort can get a person into N2 easily, after than it's one fun road to N1 and "above"

>> No.45314599

MTL is the future. JOPs lost.

>> No.45314926

>>45314599
>JOPs lost.
how so?

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>>45271917
Google Translate is horrible.

>> No.45315218

>>45314599
at the end of the day reading english is still reading english

>> No.45315225

>>45315111
ywnbj

>> No.45315299

>>45315225
Knowing Japanese =! wanting to be Japanese. I for sure would not want to be Japanese.

>> No.45315349

>>45315111
deepl is great tho, perfect for the masturbatory eroge writing that will never be high literature

>> No.45315443

>>45315111
Still translates better than most jp to en translators. You have better luck getting something more accurate with mtl than anyone on discord or djt where people still can't remember kanji after years lol

>> No.45315494

I wonder how it is possible that monolingual failures scum can determine if a translation is good or not... oh, it must be those years of experience watching anime? lmao

>> No.45315505

>>45315494
it's not hard to look up all the words with a dictionary and the grammar too though

>> No.45315510

>>45315505
holy cope

>> No.45315543

>>45315510
whatever you say lil bro

>> No.45315559

This thread was created by a seething backpedaler jopcuck, no wonder there are so many seething jopcucks in this thread. Still will use MTL to discuss games on the other thread

>> No.45315585

>>45315559
You can do whatever you want, but even EOPs laugh at you lmao

>> No.45315624 [DELETED] 

>>45315494
more le funny jokes w*hitoids get and good "prose" = excellent tl
this is according to people who only knows English and mindlessly MTLs for YEARS..........

>> No.45315659

>>45315585
People who depend on jopcucks laugh at others? lmao, simply roflmao.

>> No.45315683

>>45315659
Yeah
>>45271917
>>45272032
>>45272061
>>45272069
>>45281987

>> No.45322121

>>45315683
Cope, MTLchads are visionaries.

>> No.45326140

Tool to extract text from yuzu/ryujinx emulator? Agent doesn't work for me and ocr sucks.

>> No.45327493

>>45315585
true. JOPs have become the laughingstock of VN community.

>> No.45327830

Is there a way to extract script files on BGI engine (Buriko Ethornell)? I just want to find out text line amount in game. Not sure how I can do it.

Of course I can fully complete game and count it myself, but it takes nice amount of time.

>> No.45329776

>>45327830
https://github.com/search?q=Buriko&type=repositories

There are some tools on GitHub but I haven't tried any of them. You'll have to check them and their compatibly with the game yourself.

>> No.45332566

Good thread

>> No.45337464

>>45332566
Too bad it seems to be pretty much dead.

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i submitted a visual novel these motherfuckers on h-suki don't have, thinking i'd scam the retards out of a month of vip access so i can link here anything you guys want (as thanks to the guy from here that also got vip access a few months ago and helped me get some titles i've been looking for), but these cocksucking jews scammed me instead, saying they don't fucking need it. i wouldn't be surprised to see that they'll upload it anyway

>> No.45340738
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is rina the best heroine ever created? i love her so fucking much bros.

>> No.45340988

>>45340738
fuck you

>> No.45341091

>>45340472
insane. oh, I wonder if you save some games that not available on hsuki and other sites, on Google Drive. Thanks!

>> No.45346237

>>45340738
What people even find attractive in calculating whores? They are scary.

>> No.45348245

>>45346237
She isn't calculating or a whore she's an angel.

>> No.45349194

>>45348245
You can be both.

>> No.45351259

>>45346237
It's nice to have a cut throat ambitious woman. Most women are unremarkable and just get dragged along through life by boyfriends/fathers so finding one that is highly smart and intelligent is extremely rare and desirable. In real life it wouldn't work because a lot of these women are insufferable and would turn on you eventually but in VNs they typically use these powers for your own benefit and the benefit of your relationship.

>> No.45351788

>>45271917
ユズリハの詩 - TRIAL VERSION
/HW-4@A396:AdvHD.exe

>> No.45356335

>>45351788
Such a terrible character design.

>> No.45356701

>>45356335
low T

>> No.45358049

>>45356701
Why?

>> No.45358203

>>45358049
I can tell

>> No.45358698

>>45340738
Hey it's that girl who goes to that girl's house.

>> No.45358863

>>45358698
Makoto should just die!

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>>45271917
Soo, whats the fix for this kind of misinterpretation?

>> No.45363868

>>45363669
born again and pray that this time you will have a normal brain that will allow you to learn japanese

>> No.45363975

>>45363669
use your hover dictionary

>> No.45364155

>>45363669
Study Japanese, use a hooker and check words you don't get. Pretty sure DJT still has resources for these things nowadays.

>> No.45364177

B-bros... The JOPchads are making fun of us...
>>45364138

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>It wouldn't be exciting to eat someone who wasn't even in despair after cardiac arrest.

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>>45363669
i wanted to say the fix is superior technology but nvm

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>>45366975
attempt 2

>> No.45368570

>>45366975
>>45366994
At least it doesn't translate it as "pleasure of being cummed inside".

>> No.45369168

>>45351788
I can't believe this game is alive!

>> No.45374031

H-code for this, please?
I don't know how to convert it from Textractor

https://vndb.org/v46744

>> No.45374072

>>45369168
Odd that you can't believe it, because you are not a new ip

>> No.45379612

>>45374072
Why is that odd?

>> No.45384466

>>45374031
https://www.anime-sharing.com/threads/231124-quince-soft-リトルプリンセスgo!-bonus-h-game-crack.1397929/
>A:2958:75434990:34C906:0: WideCharToMultiByte (HQC@0:kernel32.dll:WideCharToMultiByte)
It's literally there, /HQC@0:kernel32.dll:WideCharToMultiByte
WCTMB is a default hook in just about every text hooker however, you shouldn't have to enter it in the first place.

>> No.45384499

It's so funny how there's always someone desperately trying to revive this thread when it gets to page 8-9 kek

>> No.45384526

>>45384499
It is the seething jopkek, funny how this thread still ended up somewhat useful for the h-codes and we can discusss the games we MTL in the other thread

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is this where disabled people meet? yeeeeeey

>> No.45384558

Bros I found a vn with a translation you can enjoy https://vndb.org/v18915

>> No.45384628
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45384628

based futa mtl

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>>45384558
kek

>> No.45385584
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based kata mtl

>> No.45386517

>>45384534
if my jopping skills arent failing me he's just asking you which middle school you attend

>> No.45386580
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>>45386517
my jopping skills have failed me but it seems like even japs misunderstand this so it's alright

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>>45386580
>but it seems like even japs misunderstand this so it's alright

>> No.45386638

>>45386517
Yeah. You're right.
チョイ質 could be a bit confusing but it's just an abbreviation slang for 質問. Everything before that are just a bunch of abbreviated greetings, not even names.

I don't know why but those types of street thugs are rabidly territorial in every country, not only in Japan. That's why they ask people they meet their middle school, or where they live, or some shit like that.

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>>45386638
according to my searches they ask which middle school you attended to check if you know anyone they know so it's just a way for them to know if you're friend or foe
but there are also cases like pic related so who knows

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>>45271917

>> No.45388849

>>45388728
This google translate thing will cause a major international incident one of those days.

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>> No.45388957

>>45388728
Based terrorist suicide propaganda mtl christcucks in shambles

>> No.45391902

Bumo

>> No.45392054

>>45391902
What does that mean? JOPs translate please.

>> No.45392085

tfw anon can't even spell a word correctly

>> No.45398720

>>45386660
It's quite funny that it could be considered just a greeting. Japanese thug culture is unexpectedly deep.

>> No.45398837

>tfw got cucked out of bumping the thread
vinnie for the feel?

>> No.45402242

>>45398837
https://vndb.org/v20763

>> No.45404193

>>45402242
thanks

>> No.45407621

How do you hook from emulators?

>> No.45408330

>>45408299
Update the DLL
https://github.com/Artikash/Textractor/issues/868#issuecomment-1249146885

>> No.45408488

Where are my funny screenshots you fucking intellectually disabled? that's what I come here for

>> No.45408696

I'm going to use this thread to spoil random shit when you least expect it

>> No.45408944

>>45408696
go ahead lil bro

>> No.45415339

>>45408696
I am immune to spoilers.

>> No.45419928

What do MTLfags who care about honorifics do? It's too much work use replacer for every first and last name with every possible honorific. Replacing them beforehand is also not an option since some honorifics are part of regular words. Is there a regex solution? Doing something like [replacer name] + [honorific]?

What do you do about single kanji names like 初 or 叶? They are used in many expressions that ruin the translations.

>> No.45421401

>>45419928
I doubt regexp will cut it.
The proper solution will be writing a plugin to Textractor based on mecab and unidic that will select 接尾辞 and apply replacements which you want to apply.

>> No.45427687

>>45419928
>>45421401
You can just hear them say honorifics. I guess any MC uses would be fucked though.

>> No.45433516

Can you please help to find Hcode for this game?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/196R6JYvZJXiiL-vAX6bcwmctOEEaiK8E
https://vndb.org/v47177

>> No.45437091

>>45433516
>Foreigner Heroine 3.0
No.

>> No.45442206

>>45437091
Foreigner heroines could be cute. This one has terrible character design though.

>> No.45446042

>>45442206
Yeah, it looks like VN from 2000 (maybe it's specially designed so, because 4:3, I dunno)

>> No.45447055

>>45272015
Wait what deepl died? Qrd?

>> No.45454544

>>45447055
They went full jewish, limiting you to 1500 characters a day. It's unusable even for translating ci-en blogs, for any MTL you would need to pay big bucks.

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