/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Brass Restoration 72

wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

That alone makes me doubt their ratings.

Clannad 95

Stopped reading here

>>4490530
Too low or too high?

>>4490534
Yeah that's way too low.

Oh hey my Aoishiro vote on EGS is finally counted in. With it included, a whooping 5 ratings ought to be enough for a good measure.

I noticed most of VNs I liked are with 80 ratings.

>Phantom 89
>Cross Channel 90
Fuck this shit

>D.C. ~Da Capo~ 75
>Edelweiss 74
>Brass Restoration 72
Ridiculous. D.C. should not be above those two, especially Brass Restoration.

>>4490569
The margin is quite small, and Brass restoration lacks somewhat in technical details.

>>Symphonic Rain 92
I completely agree.

> no muv-luv
sage for shit translations

>Fate/Stay Night above Umineko
>Clannad the highest rated

Where's Katawa Shoujo?

>>4490621
it's being translated
just give it a rest
also the best part of muv luv is the last, the previous two are not so good

>>4490624
I see nothing wrong there.
Umineko is shit, FSN is passable and Clannad is great.

>>4490634
>Umineko is shit, FSN is passable and Clannad is great

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>>4490634
I like how you call 90 passable.

>>4490644
Problem is, I do not know which part you laugh at.

>>4490645
Is there anything wrong?
Or, god forbid, do you think Umineko is good or something?

>>4490651
...Wut?

>>4490649

All three.

Umineko is pretty good. Not shit, not the best ever, pretty good.

Fate/Stay Night is passable, but not even as good as Umineko.

Clannad is shit.

>>4490672
>Clannad is shit.
Unfortunately for you, your opinion is in the minority.

In other news, I find it amusing how there's a large discrepancy between the Umineko scores for these EGS ratings and vndb.org (isn't it rated #1 for translated visual novels there or something?). I wonder what that difference suggests.

>>4490672
Clannad is pretty great for what it does.
FSN is passable with a few great moments and some pretty refreshing ideas.

Umineko is shit, shit writing, completely contrived storyline that goes nowhere, shit mystery that use some of the worst plot devices I've ever seen.
Only redeeming thing about it is that it's a series that isn't completed meaning that you can discuss how retarded the plot is and will become in the future episodes and hold the tiny bit of hope everything will be redeemed in the last episode.

>>4490672
It's not like the EGS ratings indicate Umineko as shit in the first place, both of you guys readings are way off.

>>4490704
>Clannad is pretty great
>Umineko is shit, shit writing, completely contrived storyline that goes nowhere, shit mystery that use some of the worst plot devices I've ever seen.

ITT people with no fucking taste whatsoever.

>>4490704
>Umineko is shit, shit writing, completely contrived storyline that goes nowhere, shit mystery that use some of the worst plot devices I've ever seen.

I bet you hated Agatha Christie novels too, right?

Go back to your Hardy Boys.

>>4490704
>Umineko is shit, shit writing

>>4490723
Agatha Christie novels had a semblance of coherent storyline so no, I do like them.

ARBITRARY NUMBER BASED RATINGS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT GIVE MEANING TO MY LIFE

>>4490731
I doubt anyone could defend the writing of Umineko.

So Higurashi is great because of its completely bullshit ending, while Umineko is shit because it tries to be vaguely consistent?

>>4490747

Anyone who thinks Umineko's writing is bad hasn't read any other VNs.

>>4490748
...Yeah, right.

>>4490760
They have.
That is why they are not impressed at all.

>>4490760

The complaints about Umineko's writing are all from /a/ newfags who streamed in because of the anime. Nobody who has had significant experience with VNs could complain about Umineko's writing with a straight face while simultaneously praising something by, say, Nasu.

>>4490748
Higurashi was mysterious and created lots of tension, just try to think about the people who weren't spoiled and read each episode one at a time.

Umineko is just I KNOW YOU LOVE FRILLS SO I CREATED LOTS OF NEW MOE MOE CHARACTERS WITH LOTS OF FRILLS.

>this thread

IT'S POPULAR NOW IT SUCKS GUYS, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE IT ANYMORE!!!!!

OPINION OPINION OPINION

>>4490769
Seconded.

Also there are many type moon fags and touhou fags that didnt like the fact that Umineko is now official /jp/ material and troll it for the sake of it.

Most of them just saw the anime tough

>>4490769
Nasu's writing is pretty decent unless you're judging from the translation. Umineko's is awful.

>>4490774
Are you talking about Umineko or Touhou?

>>4490769
Nasu's writing is better than R07.
Though it doesn't say much.
Problem with Nasu is that he is too "mechanical" in his style which make the whole thing seem kinda bland.

R07 has this problems, and a lots of others.
He is the one writer who really need an editor, also he should take some classes.

>>4490783
>>Nasu writing being decent

>>4490788

I'd say R07's is better, but not for stylistic reasons: Nasu repeats everything about 8 times, while R07 repeats things only about 2 times. This is enough of a reason to prefer the latter.

>>4490786
Is there a difference?
Best thing about Touhou? Soundtrack and the new moe girls who will create lots of fanworks.

Best thing about Umineko? Soundtrack and the new moe girls who will create lots of fanworks.

Uminekofriends sure get their panties in a bunch very easily.

That goes against the /jp/'s spirit of originally taking it easy, so I have to wonder if most of them are newbros from /a/.

Who care about Umineko?
Symphonic Rain has a 92.
It means that the moonlanders have good taste.
I approve.

>>4490797
S'up, ZUN!bar

>Clannad 95
>Umineko not top

whatisthisidonteven.....

>>4490797
>>/jp/
>>Taking it easy

u mad?

>>4490788
Nasu is a fucking shitty writer and anyone that disagrees with that is in denial.

One thing is to reuse a concept in two novels(like R07), the other thing is to reuse it in everything you write. And he is not a doujin writer, he is a fucking professional writer and still manages to be as shitty as he is.

Umineko is shit.

FSN is only 80 in my mind.

Clannad is about a 75.

>>4490797
>I have to wonder if most of them are newbros from /a/.
I wouldn't say most of them, but Umineko attracted undoubtedly quite a few /a/nons.

Umineko: 85
Clannad: 70
FSN: 30
Tsukihime: 40

You know its true

>>4490811

Annoys me too. Umineko is the best written of all of them.

>>4490723
Agatha Christie sucks too. She never even used Knox's Laws that Umineko keeps praising.

I'd say it's pretty consistent with /jp/.
About a week or two, there was a thread about /jp/ favorite VNs and Clannad was the most consistently in top.

Ratings are silly. As if there was any way to objectively quantify personal tastes and preferences.

>>4490820
I know no such thing. You are wrong. Etc.

>>4490797
What's goin' on, ZUN!bar?

>>4490820
Umineko 40 in recent games 75 in the first three. Battler has too many mood swings. If you think he badass- sure, that might've worked in the first three Episodes but not anymore.

Tsukihime -10 for Bed route -20 for Nasu writing. 70.

FSN -10 for whiny bitching from everyone about everything. -20 for Nasu writing.

Clannad -10 for a main character that's a pussy (VN sequel makes man). -10 for Ryou- I mean Kyou route. 80.

Sharin no Kuni, Phantom, and Cross Channel were all marginally better.

>>4490823
Knox is only a guideline, mystery novels don't have to follow it to be good.
And she only "broke" it in one of her novel, one of her most famous.

>>4490806
>>4490855
Wrong, both of you.

Notice that he has NEVER used the phrase "panties in a bunch" in his previous posts. You guys need to brush up on your detection skills.

Rating threads, I liked it better when I was riding the Trollercoaster.

>>4490823
Knox's laws are bullshit someone came up with as to what makes a good detective story, in his opinion.
A mystery is good or bad based on it's own merits only.

>>4490782
Umineko was always /jp/ material and was discussed since ep 2 translation was out quite a bot.
Dunno what your point is.

>>4490885
You're wrong. Nasu writing is -80.

>>4490911
>Faggot trying to make his shit game win.

>>4490905
he's referring to the part when the anime aired and most threads were there, afterwards it was mostly unwelcomed here

>>4490524
We are tired of your spam and bullshit at www. åNÓNｔａｌｋ .com. Stop fucking with us. You owe Sysop over $10,000 USD due to your harassments. Pay up by donating.

>>4490889
S'up, ZUN!bar?

>>4490797
>Uminekofriends

Sup ZUN.

>>4490919
What was unwelcome was all the 'the anime is shit, they left out that, played teh wrong music UWOOOOH' shit, which could only originate from the actual /jp/ posters, not original anime viewers.
Plus, even in /a/, al those who read the VN because of the anime say 'It's much better than the anime' and most of them liked it.

The ones who dislike Umineko are part of /jp/'s VN crowdd, no matter how much a faggot tries to shift blame.

>Highest: Clannad
I see nothing wrong with this.

>>4490797
>Uminekofriends
>newbros

Sup ZUN.

>>4490932
not everyone who plays VN comes to /jp/ nor debated it here
with the second part I agree completely

>>4490885
>Clannad -10 for a main character that's a pussy
He's not a pussy. Tomoya is an enormous egoistic asshole. Just take a look at how he plays around with Sunohara in pretty much every route. He's also bored, and willing to walk over people to have some entertainment, like playing along for way too long with Ryou in Kyou's route.

>>4490932
No.

There are a bunch of people that just dont like Umineko because of the drawings and refuse to play it for that reason alone.

A bunch of people that dont like it because its popular.

A bunch of people that dont like it because its taking /jp/ space (when we used to discuss ep2~4 there was never more of one thread at one time, now there are various).

A bunch of people that dont like Umineko because they think its a proved fact that the ending will be shitty

And there's a bunch of people that are simply faggots and go on trolling the series for hours and hours for the sake of it.

>>4490958
Sure sounds butthurt there.
Personally I don't hate Umineko, I just find it mediocre because it disappointed me in a lots of way.
I'm sure lots of people agrees with me.

It has nothing to do with its popularity, I still like lots of VNs that are very popular, also nothing to do with the place it takes on /jp/
It just has to do with my personal experience of it, that's all.

>>4490958
I personally don't like Umineko because I won't be able to see the end of the story until they finish (or at least release) the last chapter.
It's a major fucking blueball being left at a cliffhanger and having to wait a year for the ending. Fuck that.
By the time the next episode comes out, you forgot half of the story of the previous ones and aren't even that interested anymore.

>>4490958
and the only ones who actually troll are:
2 and 5
the part about /jp/ space isn't really to be mentioned, since an inactive thread can be left on the front page for two hours

>>4490982
>finish _translating_ the last chapter.
I wonder how did I mange to omit that word.

>>4490958
So people just not liking it because of what it is (not HATING it) is impossible, right?

Overdefensive.

>>4490982
That's hardly a reason not to like anything.

You can just dont read the VNs when they are released, wait for the story to be over and then read them...

>>4490994
These people normally dont feel the need to go on posting in Umineko threads.

if one started late in reading vn. this is quite a list to go through.

>>4490958
How about not liking it simply because it doesn't suit ones taste?

Even disregarding the story completely, Umineko should still be high up just for having such great music.

top 3 goes to:
Clannad
Ever17
Symphonic Rain

im good with this.jpg

geez, can't you guys just download officially translated vns in korean or chinese? fan translated english vns is really bad.

>>4490905
Wrong. When Umineko Episode 2 we were okay with it and had a few threads a month. Umineko Episode 3 comes out. No one really notices the increase in threads however, we stop talking about it after a few weeks.

No one really cared about the teaser patch by Witch Hunt for Episode 4. So no notable increase of threads of Umineko in March.

Anime announced sudden swarm of threads about Umineko. /jp/ regulars are pissed and start hating Umineko as it is no longer fun to discuss. Episode 4 comes out. Animesuki/Livejournal fags come in (While they came in during Episode 3 there were only a few so no one really cared) and start shitting up the place. Threads went on for about a month and a half (maybe more I started ignoring all Umineko threads).

Now with Episode 5 translation and Umineko 6 release we have had nonstop threads for 3 months.

No body that discussed Umineko originally are actually here anymore discussing it seriously. It is all fags from /a/, animesuki, and Livejournal and other boards. I think the fags that became pissed off at the swarm of Newfags went off to /nipaa/ or /seacats/.

>>4491017
Why need?
Everyone is here to post his opinion about whatever.
If someone has issues about something, why not post about it?

>>4491055
So the ones who actually like Umineko and fervently discuss it and stick in their own threads is your problem?
How does that relate to the other fanbases?

>>4490947
What about when he ditches his girlfriend in Tomoyo route?

>>4490982
You aren't disliking the series, you just don't like waiting

>>4491056
Common sense?
If i dont like FSN i can even say it like, one time, in a FSN thread. But i dont need to be an asshole and shit on the series for hours just to piss off people.

I dont need to start long discussions about how much Shakespeare is better than Nasu or to flood their threads with useless posts about how much i dislike the artstyle used by Type moon or the shitty music that they make.

If you dont like shit leave it alone for whoever likes it.

>>4491072
That was out of character, if you ask me. He should have stuck with Tomoyo no matter what.

what's EGS?

>>4491100
But people do it regardless.
With your logic, it's the Umineko or whatever fanbase that does it in the TM threads (the few ones we have these days).

Your common sense is not the common one here by a longshot and you know it, rather wishful thinking (I wish people who say thing I do not like do not come into threads I post').
It doesn't happen ever, unless it's a thread so fucking dull, only maniacs would even care(exceptions that confirm the rule)

>>4490947
>Just take a look at how he plays around with Sunohara in pretty much every route.
Have you never had friends?

Oh wait.

ratings are meaningless if there are no reasons/reviews to back it up

>>4491126
Yes, and making fun of them to that extent is not a common thing.
Or you just have awful threads (or you are an awful one)

>>4491137
>threads

>>4491142
I meant friends.
But you may have awful clothes regardless.

>>4491124
Except its not.
I never said that people that like x doesnt like y or that there are feuds of people that like different VNs.

I just said that the kind of people listed here >>4490958 go on posting for hours and hours about thing they dont even like and make /jp/ shittier than it already is.

Your logic is flawed. The people that ''troll' umineko threads could even be the same people that troll type moon threads and they are wrong be it on one case or in the other.

Does somebody seriously think that writing in Clannad is good? It'd be ridiculous.

>>4491137
>to that extent
Well of course it's exaggerated, it's the 2D world. But it's still just friendly joking..

>>4491153
So, you just ride on a big assumption train about people you have no idaa about, cannot determine their tastes, and just dismiss every single one as trolls cause the do not post nice things about whatever is discussed.
Brilliant.

>>4491165
l2interpret
I guess i know why you dont like Umineko

>>4491144
I always mess up with my friends and i see no problem with that

>>4491192
Because I do not take silly theories by silly men seriously?

Oh man, people really think [insert VN you like] is good? It's just a bunch of crap, poorly written, contrived plot, bad character development, shit taste is shit, etc.

Seriously, go read something good like [insert VN I like].

Some dude here who played about 90%-95% of all translated eroges vns, and felt like writing a TL;DR.

>Aoishiro 50.
I disagree, but then again this data is largely inaccurate due to this rating is based on 5 votes (one of them being my own). I rated it with 73 myself, because while it was rather lacklustre overall, it had a few moments I enjoyed. Also good music, some decent characters, and great prod values.
>Brass Restoration 72
Agree, 67 here.
>Chaos;Head 80
Sort of disagree. 73 here, as I found the B route pointless, and the game disappointingly turned bad from pretty great after its first half.
>Clannad 95
Agree, 92 here
>Crescendo 84
Disagree, 74 here. I didn't really like it much for some reason. I remember that I grew to like its art, but I barely remember anything about its story.
>Cross†Channel 90
Sort of Agree. I can see why they love it that much, but I really hated Taichi's guts and a few other things didn't sit well with me so I rated it with 81.
>D.C. ~Da Capo~ 75
Disagree. For me it just failed to entertain me after like two routes, so I have it on 60.
>Desire 85
Agree. I'd rate it close to 100 if Makoto's scenario would better fit into the story and the rage inducing NTR could be removed. As it is now, it's on 90 for me.
>Edelweiss 74
Agree. 76 here
>Eve: Burst Error 91
Agree. 97 here. I always loved this kinda games, and that delivers a lot. Kojiroh is da man. The writer really took the best aspects of both this, and both Desire when making YU-NO, the only game on my list with perfect score.
>Ever17 -the out of infinity- 93
Agree. 97 here. Yeah some of the normal routes were kinda flawed, but I loved Coco's route.
>Fate/stay night 90
84 from me. Sort of agree, yeah it's great, but it has a few issues I didn't like much.

>>4491398
>Gadget Trial 70
Disagree. 56 here, didn't like it much.
>Galaxy Angel 79
Agree. 80 here
>Higurashi no Naku Koro ni 88
Agree. 81 here. It would have been higher, but sadly I watched the anime first, and all those slice of life kept me really bored.
>Hinatabokko 65
Agree. 68 here.
>Kagetsu Tohya 80
Haven't played it enough to rate.
>Kana ~Imouto~ 85
Agree. 82 here
>Kanon 83
Disagree. I voted it 67 because it was just rather unmotivating playing it after Clannad. I didn't even feel the urge to finish more than 2 routes, and I feel the humor wasn't as good either.
>Kazoku Keikaku 91
Disagree by a large margin, rated it with 61. I apologize to everyone who likes it, but I felt it was really boring, and most of the characters were irritating rather than enjoyable.
>Kikokugai - The Cyber Slayer 80
Disagree. I think it's better than this (92/100 by me) as it was a pretty great game, which managed to keep at the edge of my seat. I can see why the japanese liked it less though, since for example they paid full price for it, and it's far too short for this.
>Kira Kira 86
Agree. 84 here. Rock and roll, baby.
>Moon. 72
Disagree. 61 by me, I'm all for map movement and adventure interface, when it actually has its use, but this didn't make any sense here, and the story was rather bland.
>Narcissu 80
Sort of agree. 72 from me, but I can definitely understand why they rated it higher (they probably don't pirate every game like we do). I felt it was a bit forced personally, no offense toward anyone.
>One ~Kagayaku Kisetsu e~ 84
Disagree, 67 by me. Meh, it wasn't that good. I don't even understand why it's rated this high.

>>4491402
>Phantom of Inferno 89
To be fair OP, 89 is for the PC version. However the japanese too have a DVDPG and not surprisingly they too find it rather cumbersome and uncomfortable. The DVDPG on EGS is rated at 80/78 which I can understand why. I have it on 88 myself, because I still liked it a lot nevertheless.
>Planetarian ~Chiisana Hoshi no Yume~ 80
Agree. 77 here
>Princess Waltz 72
Agree. 73 from me.
>Saya no Uta 82
Disagree. 96 from me. I feel it was mesmerizing, and bizarrely romantic. Still, just like Kikokugai it's indeed kinda a ripoff charging a full game's price for it, due to its shortness.
>Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People- 83
Disagree. 72 here due to all the retarded repition and illogical minigames which can get you game over unless you follow some seemingly random order. Also, disappointed by its end.
>Sengoku Rance 90
Sort of disagree (sorry rance fans). I rated it with 78 as I felt the gameway was a bit too much of a chore. I liked the character interactions and the silly story in general, but all that saving/loading/random events didn't sit that well with me, but then again I'm not good with gameplay.
>Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo 90
Agree. 93 from me
>Shuffle! 70
Still haven't played it. I delay it all the time for some reason.
>Soul Link 70
Agree. 71 here
>Suika 79
Disagree. 51 here, It was painfully boring for me, and I dropped it before even finishing the first chapter.
>Symphonic Rain 92
Agree. 90 here. Truly great game, and everyone should play it.
>Tears to Tiara 79
Disagree. 68 from me, as I felt it wasn't that great. It's a good game, but not great.
>Tsukihime 87
I concur. 84 from me.

>>4491408
>Umineko no Naku Koro ni E1-80, E2-75, E3-82, E4-80
I sort of agree with these ratings. I have them as E1-80, E2-82, E3-90, E4-85. Not that different from the japanese ones I guess. I hope I didn't make anyone angry with this.
>Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru E5-75, E6-77
I Disagree on Ep5 (haven't played the sixth). I have it on 87 as I rather liked it.
>Utawarerumono 88
I sort of agree. 81 from me. Yeah it was a pretty great game in my opinion, but those mechas and stuff at the end were meh.
>Wanko to Kurasou 80
Disagree. 67 here. Well I'm not really good with moeges and this is a bit too thin if you ignore the moe overload.
>Wind -A Breath of Heart- 70
I disagree. I have it on 46. I remember being really disappointed when I finished it ages ago.
>Yume Miru Kusuri 80
Agree. 79 here.

Other things worth mentioning which OP forgot to paste here:
>Giniro 80/78
Sort of agree. 88 here. I liked this game a lot, and I feel its drama was pretty tearinducing.
>Nocturnal Illusion 80/77
78 here. I agree. Sari is my waifu.
>Divi-Dead 65/64
I disagree. 77 from me. Once possessing a walkthrough this game was pretty entertaining for me. It was a pretty nice horror game.
>True Remembrance 80/75
Agree. 78 here.
>Words Worth 80/76
Agree. 80 here. I liked its humor personally, and while it had some grinding, it wasn't frustrating in my opinion.
>Castle Fantasia 2 70/70
Agree. 74 here. It was a decent enough game.

>>4491398
>>4491402
>>4491408
>>4491414
Fair enough.

>Clannad
>Good
>Not Kanon and Air with a new coat of paint

>>4491408
>>Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People- 83
>Disagree. 72 here due to all the retarded repition and illogical minigames which can get you game over unless you follow some seemingly random order. Also, disappointed by its end.
I just finished this half an hour ago but what about the ending disappointing you?
The repetition was a little annoying but I wouldn't discredit the entire game 'cause of it.

>>4491439
Well, I don't really like open endings myself where you have to read webnovels and whatnot to feel satisfied. I liked the middle 2/3 of the game, but I didn't like how they treated the catgirl in the end, and I dislike Kia much.

Are they rating the VNs by gameplay too?
If so, I can see why Umineko is low

>>4491486
Yeah Clannad has great gameplay.

>>4491486
Considering most of the things listed have no gameplay at all, doubtful.

>>4491055
I think this Anon has it right about Umineko. He sums up exactly my thoughts on the state of the Umineko fanbase on /jp/, hell, in general.

Furthermore, this influx of Umineko fags is directly correlated with the high increase in the amount of shitposters and crossboard invaders since Christmas of 2009.

As much as I like the material of Umineko itself, I am disappointed with its influence on the community. It has made it much worse than it was before.

>>4491484
I adore Kia to my very core in her innocent motherly attitude so my perception is of her is quite warped.
>I don't really like open endings myself where you have to read webnovels and whatnot to feel satisfied.
I avoided Inganock threads as I didn't want to get spoiled but are these summarized or dare I say translated fully in english?
>I liked the middle 2/3 of the game
Agreed, ch 1, 3-6. 8, 10, and 12 were great.
>I didn't like how they treated the catgirl in the end
I thought her ending fit the VN well and moved the plot forward in a nice end ride.

>Umineko no Naku Koro ni E1-80, E2-75, E3-82, E4-80
>Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru E5-75, E6-77
Oh boy, here we go....

>>4491572
Hey slowpoke.

>>4491533
Yeah they are translated by amaterasu. Check them out, it should be posted somewhere on their blog and the forum.
Well, Kia didn't sit me well. It might be just me, but I feel they tried too hard on making her moe (you likely disagree if you indeed adore her).
I've had other issues with it, like the really odd partial voiceacting (you don't hear any voices for an hour, then all of a sudden some side character voices a few sentences, and then everything silent again).
Or that you meet sidecharacter X, who takes a role for one / two chapters, or even all the way throughout the story, who just vanishes all of a sudden. They really could have polished up the sidecharacters a bit in my opinion.
Well that might be just me. Take no offense in it.

I'm not seeing Brave Soul here

... or Lightning Warrior Raidy.

>>4491629
Naturally I played them both but figured no one would be curious about them.
>Brave Soul 67/68
I agree. It's on 68 for me. It was a decent enough game. RPG part could have been better.
>Raidy 60/50
I disagree. 26 from me. I really regretted spending all that time mindlessly grinding on cosplayer girls for so painfully little reward. And those random hscenes were the icing on the cake.

Pretty funny that the highest rated is something with an anime adaptation by KyoAni... I think we"ve noticed the kind of public here now.

>>4491723
Clannad was the highest rated far before the anime was released.

>>4491605
>Well, Kia didn't sit me well. It might be just me
Well, liking characters is about as objective as it gets so any point otherwise is just my opinion>your opinion.
>I've had other issues with it, like the really odd partial voiceacting (you don't hear any voices for an hour, then all of a sudden some side character voices a few sentences, and then everything silent again).
That was osme ole bullshit, I googled around 'cause I thought I had the problem.
The voice acting was good though.
>Or that you meet sidecharacter X, who takes a role for one / two chapters, or even all the way throughout the story, who just vanishes all of a sudden. They really could have polished up the sidecharacters a bit in my opinion.
Most were self contained stories and with 12 chapters how can you expect this not to have some throwaways? Some of the side characters did their part and then some (Randolph, David)


>>4491723
I see...

>>4491605
Ah, if only /jp/ could be that way...

>>4492148
Then it would be like any other forum.

>>4492148
These two seem to be being quite civil even though they are at ends with eachother.

>>4492169
Not really, not with /jp/.
Arguing and trolling are part of /jp/, being like that would be boring as well. But as of lately it's always the same trolls on the same threads so it's becoming boring, /jp/ needs a refresh!
>>4492175
I agree.

Clannad has ponderous, bland prose absent of any actual story and rehashes all the same awful "am I kawaii uguu" character archetypes as the rest of Key garbage.

FSN and Umineko are terrible, but they deserve to be placed above something like Clannad.

>>4492229
Not really.
I doubt you even played Clannad.

>>4492229
>am I a great troll, uguu?

>>4492243
>>4492292

Alright, let me get this straight. You think
that measured according to originality of concept, depth of characterization or internal consistency as narrative, art and music, that Clannad deserves first place out of all the VNs listed?

>>4492376
Clannad is first place in overall goodness.

Protip: Games that came out (or had anime adaptations) after 2006 have a mean of approximately 10 points higher than those before.

>>4492376
You were arguing about the quality of the prose.
Honestly I don't think it's the best in this area for the translated VN but it's definitely better written than FSN or Umineko.

Script is often funny and witty, characterization is consistent for pretty much every character, the "psychological portrait" of Tomoya as a whole is pretty damn well done without being too spoonfeeded and the game often manages to be pretty powerful and touching without being too dramatic or forced which is also a plus.

Other things like ZOMG IT'S NOT ORIGINAL ENOUGH, or IT'S SLICE OF LIFE THERE IS NO STORY or I HATE THE ARCHETYPES THEY USE are just your shitty opinion and has no impact whatsoever on the overall writing of the game.

>>4492495

In the end it's all OPINIONS.

>>4492495
>You were arguing about the quality of the prose.

I'm arguing about the quality of the writing.

>Script is often funny and witty

Provide some examples that aren't immature, Gaia-level jokes or unintentionally funny.

>characterization is consistent for pretty much every character

Which is to say, retard moe.

>the "psychological portrait" of Tomoya as a whole is pretty damn well done

For a reader-insert character.

>without being too spoonfeeded and the game often manages to be pretty powerful and touching

If soap operas are "powerful" and "touching," sure.

>without being too dramatic or forced which is also a plus.

Because it's not like the After Story isn't all one big contrivance, right?

>Other things like ZOMG IT'S NOT ORIGINAL ENOUGH, or IT'S SLICE OF LIFE THERE IS NO STORY or I HATE THE ARCHETYPES THEY USE are just your shitty opinion and has no impact whatsoever on the overall writing of the game.
>Implying originality, plot and characterization has nothing to do with 'overall writing'

I have nothing to add, just wanted to post Cal on the beach.

Oh wow, you Umineko kids. "Anyone who doesn't like my favorite game must be from /a/ and hasn't played any other VNs!"

Umineko is a solid 6.5/10. The writing, music, and characterization are far too inconsistent in quality for me to rate it any higher.

Lesson learned? Don't spread out your project out over the course of multiple releases. Because doing so will only compromise overall quality.

>>4490803
Source on this? I want to strip her.

>>4493013
But it worked fine for Higurashi (after the slow start with Onikakushi).

>>Shuffle! 70

Considering how Navel keeps milking this ... somehow I doubt it.

pretentious/chuuni shit gets overrated like hell over there.
moeshit/slice of life also gets overrated a little but it's okay since no one will seriously use great or masterpiece to describe them anyway.

>>4493120
Clannad is one 'moeshit/slice of life' game that's called a masterpiece a lot

>>4493098
Higurashi took a massive hit from the last releases and it's ending, the japanese crowd wasn't that pleased. At that point they had already baught the series though

>>4493098
higurashi has some really serious pacing issues in-game

>>Clannad 95


Ronery much?

>>4493144
only by key fans aka retarded faggots

Clannad was just boring compared to its anime adaptation.

>>4493187
Actually it's liked by pretty much the entire VN fanbase in Japan which is why it's so high.

Anyways we got that you don't like Clannad. Who care? Move on.

saw the clannad anime and i liked it so is the vn really that much better?

>>4493260
The anime cuts a lot out and ruins important scenes, so yeah.

>>4493190
The Clannad anime was awful. They kept jumping randomly from arc to arc, it took an effort to follow even after playing the VN.

Also, Tomoyo's episode was a disgrace.

whats with the shitty score for MOON?

should be 90 minimum

>>4493526
The Clannad anime was great, stoopid.

>>4493528
Maybe people were expecting something more like ONE/Key games. Some of the low reviews on egs say something to that effect.

>>4493211
asspained much keyfriend? clannad was good, I'd give it about 80-85. but masterpiece? you seriously think that?

>>4494041
I think that too, and so do quite a few other people, from the EGS rating. But then again, you're trying entirely too hard to troll, so that obviously doesn't matter, anyway.

>>4490522
FUCK. OFF. STOP SPAMMING WWW. aＮoN+Ａｌk .COM YOU DUMB SHITS AND PAY SYSOP THE MONEY YOU OWE HIM

No Dustmania Grotesque and Violent Semen Inferno? I'm sad.

>Aoishiro 50
>Chaos;Head 80
Those wacky Japs

>>4490524
FUCK. OFF. STOP SPAMMING WWW. aNoＮＴälＫ .COM YOU DUMB SHITS AND PAY SYSOP THE MONEY YOU OWE HIM

You're an idiot if you think Umineko is good. Fap to the characters and leave it at that

>>4490522
FUCK. OFF. STOP SPAMMING WWW. ånöＮ+ålＫ .COM YOU DUMB SHITS AND PAY SYSOP THE MONEY YOU OWE HIM

>fate stay night 90
>clannad 95

Hahahaha you joking nigger

>>4495566
Yea. There is NO way Clannad deserves a better score than FSN.

>>4495519
>>Aoishiro 50
Well as I already said earlier, Jones, it's by no means a realistic data. The total amount of votes is 5, which includes my own too.

I adore Umineko.

I somewhat liked Fate.

I wasn't really fond of Clannad.

OPINIONS, HATERS GONNA HATE, FASCINATING.PNG, ETC.

Sekien no Inganock, 83?

Why am I finding this somewhat hard to believe?

/r/ing source/link.

>>4495874
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/toukei_median.php?erogame=null&coterie=nu
ll

>clannad 95

no

>>4496249
Yes.

>Fate/stay night 90
lol, no. More like 75.

this is bogus.

>>4491398
>>4491402
>>4491408
I disagree with you on a lot but I'm not going to point everything out.

>One ~Kagayaku Kisetsu e~ 84
>Disagree, 67 by me. Meh, it wasn't that good. I don't even understand why it's rated this high.
Because it invented the nakige genre, and even after all these years it still does it better than most of its countless imitators. More cynically I guess you could call it Key/Maeda fanboyism.

>Suika 79
>Disagree. 51 here, It was painfully boring for me, and I dropped it before even finishing the first chapter.
The first chapter is easily the worst. You really should give it another chance. Each chapter is a separate story so the quality varies but I think the other 3 are all good, especially the last chapter. The side stories are also good. Overall I more or less agree with the egs score.

>Clannad 95
stopped reading here, what a fucking joke. It's full of the most mundane and overrused generic characters and dialogue it's pathetic.

>>4497436
There are lots of people on EGS who give the game 100 because it happens to be by some company... Or give it 0 because it has something they don't like.

Clannad has something for everyone, that's why it's so popular there.
You want your standard key drama, take Fuuko's route, you want a more romantic focused route without any magical stuff then take Tomoyo or Kyou's routes, you want a route who focus on your male friends instead? Take Sunohara or Kappei's route.
Etc...

People who lashes on it for having "mundane and overrused generic characters and dialogue " probably never played it though.
People who lash on

>Aoishiro 50

lol no

>>4497523
It does not even have 10 votes.
These ratings do not mean much if you do not also see number of votes, the margin and the most common score.

>>4497413
Naturally, everyone else's taste is different, so it's pretty normal if someone views things completely differently from me.
>ONE
Sorry, but I beg to differ. I played all of ONE's routes and despite I'm often going emotional over various small things, it didn't have any effect on me. There was simply not enough character development that I could develop any emotional attachment toward most of the cast, and how whole routes were being repeated, but just with a different heroine, made it even less enjoyable for me (also I remember painfully bad voiceacting at places).
I liked messing with the tsundere, the childhood chara, and the blind character was decent (hence why 67), but apart of these, everything else was kinda flat.
>Suika
I probably won't, but it's nice to hear not everything was supposed to be that boring in it. Unfortunately I got too large of a backlog by now, so I can't really imagine myself going back to it though.