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>>4348538

>george
>culprit

>>4348540
What, would you rather it was Gohda?

>>4348548
I'd be quite fine with a Magical Gohda Chef end, as long as he somehow gets Beelzebub.

>>4348548

That would make Gohda a magnificent bastard, since I never suspected him.

So yes.

But Hideyoshi is the culprit.

>>4348559
Hideyoshi = George

but Beatrice is the culprit
even the story says so

>>4348563
Oh you.

>>4348564
Not sure what you're implying, all I see is Homo lust.

>"I hope George ends up being the culprit".

You see your "hope that he ends up being the culprit" is the reason nobody believes he is. You should be looking for evidence.

>>4348897
Episode 2, there is no evidence that he died. He's impaled in his stomach, not necessarily lethal. It also solves Natsuhi's closed room.

>>4348908
The layers of fat protected him.

Hey George, how does it feel to be killed by your cousin in EP4?

>>4348537
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

>>4349108
HOW MANY TIMES IS THIS PIC GOING TO BE POSTED?

>>4349108
I wish I could be killed by her ;_;

>>4348535
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

There has to be more than 1 culprit or "killer", everyone is dead at the end of EP4.

>>4349183
They call those accomplices not culprits

>>4349195
Well at some point the accomplice must of killed the culprit.

>>4349205
>"implying George is the culprit"

Maybe maybe not it is a mystery after all~~

>>4348537
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

>>4349222
What?
All i said was everyone has died a death which has been verified by Battler, so at some point someone is getting backstabbed.

>>4349240
Yeah I know I get what your saying. At some point some culprit kills their pieces. I was just trolling. Now can we all calm down?

>>4349183

>Implying Shannon didn't kill them all, dress as Beato, give Batora his test, go back to the well-passage, shoot herself in the head, and let the gun fall in it.

Everyone was the culprit. Battler was the only innocent one. But seeing the worst side of all his relatives made him go nuts.

>>4349373
Kanon was the 9th victim.
If Shannon = Kanon, Shannon was too the 9th victim.
When Battler went to look for ''Beatrice'' he found the corpses of Kumasawa, Gohda and George, so that even if someone like Jessica didnt die Shkanon couldnt be alive as she died before one of them.

So how can you solve it without ''LOLDYINGPERSONAS'' HUH ANOOOOOOOOOOON?

>>4349415

Ninth twilight, bro, not victim.

Like how Nanjo and Battler are both killed in the ninth twilight in EP3

>>4349420
Nope its specified in red, 9th victim.

Among the five people in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die.
In short, he was the 9th victim.

>>4349415
Ok so Ep4 deaths.
Rudolf, Rosa, Natsuhi, Eva, Hideyoshi & Genji died first (6)
Then errr second twilight which could only be Jessica & George? (correct me)
Then Kanon died.

>>4349425

Well, shit. Then how do you explain..

Well, shit.

>>4349429
Yes, but Battler found the corpses of both Kumasawa and Gohda in the shed. So you can add 2 people to the count.

6 persons on first twilight
George and Jessica in the second
8 deaths.

If Kanon was the 9th victim it would be needed for him to die before Kumasawa and Gohda, but they were already dead at this point of time.

>>4349438
Fuck this is a mess.

>>4349445

Ok so cause of death seems to alternate between a shot shot to the forehead, to half the face destroyed.

>>4349466
But why would there be the need for two different weapons to be used?

(a handgun that would make a clean single shot and a high caliber weapon that would destroy half of someone face)

The most obvious answer for that is two killers.l

2 killers?

It feels to me there's a killer and someone who knows, or finds out, and tries to fight back usually by killing people they think are involved or some shit.

My gut is telling me Kyrie is the latter

>>4349476
Pretty much, well a winchester is probaly for the shots to the forehead, but high calibur rifle has be at a loss.
Not to mention no high calibur rifle has been shown to exist in Umineko, so maybe it's a hachet?

>>4349483

The culprit used bombs attached to a fishing rod !

>>4349483

Aren't firearms also banned in Japan?

To blow half the face off you'd need a magnum or a shotgun like Battler surmises in EP4....but something tells me that'd be impossible to get in 1986 Japan.

>>4349483
*has me at a loss.
Also if George & Jessica are second twilight, well they were in different places.

>>4349483
Its stated that the siestas represent the weapons used in the murders.

So it would be likely that there are at least 2 or 3 different weapons.

A hatchet would be unpratical, its sais that the wound looks like half of the face is blown and not cut.

Not to mention that picturing someone doing the first twilight kills with a hatchet is incredibly hilarious.

>>4349488
Even if its banned, Rokkenjima is a isolated island and Kinzo can have whatever the fuck he wants.

>>4349489
The fact that their deaths represent the second twilight only mean that they do represent it.

Unlike with Kanon there's no red stating when they died and how they died.

>>4349499
We know about the stakes vessels but we never see the vessels for the Siesta, so i think unless Battler sees this weapon maybe it doesn't exist (but that's me personally).
Maria drank something which killed her in Ep4 so whatever she drank killed the others as well.

>>4349513

Didn't Battler try to pull this in the Tea Party?

"All of them had wounds resembling gunshot wounds that became fatal"

>>4349510
That's true but thanks to Kanon red text we know that two people died inbetween his death & the first twilight.

>>4349516
I can't remember, do we have a blue text wiki?

>>4349520
Yes and Kumasawa, Gohda and George corpses were found by Battler, with the detective authority before he met Beatrice.

So at least these three deaths are confirmed.
The only problem it makes is for the Shkanontrice theory...

>>4349513
We're theorizing that the Siestas are Kinzo's modified Winchesters. Hell, their names (00, 45, 410, 556) all refer to calibers. It says this straight up in their profiles. 00 Buck, .45 Long, forgot 410, and 5.56. It was even said that Siesta 556 was the most modified and souped up of all the Siestas.

hint?

>>4349579
> It was even said that Siesta 556 was the most modified and souped up of all the Siestas.

>>4349579
However, 556 wasn't working. Which means that Rosa probably had that gun in episode 3, since she had a gun but did not fight back before she was killed.

>>4351582
Goddammit Rosa.

>>4351615

>556uuuuuuuu

It took me like 20 seconds to realize that was "go go rokuuuu".

Did they find the culprit in namek yet?

Not culprit but a yandere George is ought to be an accomplice at least.

>>4351615

>>4349579
I'm not sure its possible for a Winchester 1894 to be rechambered in 5.56 or 00 buck, those both operate at much higher pressures than magnum rounds like .410 and .45.

>>4351748
They're magic guns

>>4349520
Well, in episode 4, we know Jessica died after George did.
Hell, she was most likely the one to do him in.

>>4351762
Which means... one of the two in the shed died before Kanon did?

>>4351787
Or maybe both George and Jessica were involved in episode 4 when they discovered that Shannon was going for Battler. See episode 6 when we discover that both the magic fights are fake and nobody was dead.

>>4351807
Well, perhaps so. Or any other people. Jessica and Kyrie live the longest in that episode, considering their phone calls to Battler perhaps Shkanontrice as well.

>>4348538
Meh, if George died, Battler gets a harem end.
But knowing Ryukushi, that creepy virgin will get the girl in the end.

>>4351787

Even when if you can assume one of the people in the shed was alive there is another problem: when you say that the Beatrice Battler met is Shkanontrice, you are forced to accept that all the other 6(or more) victims died after Battler meeting her, and then they had their corpses adjusted to the exact position Kyrie told them would be.

Only after reasoning with the 9th victim thing we can see how fucked up would be ep4 with Shkanontrice..

>>4352081
If ShKanon is true, then Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice can die at different times.
See episode 2, Kanon is confirmed to be alive yet Shannon is still around.

>>4352143
>>Kanon is confirmed to be dead
Fixed

My idea;

EVERYONE is against Battler.

>>4352161
Shkanon=/=Shkanontrice

>>4352143
Except that persona dying is made up bullshit and doesnt work at all.

>>4352320
Episode 2:
Kanon DIED.
Shannon is still around and kicking.
Explain this.

>>4352329
Easy.
ShKanon(trice) is false.

>>4352333
Then explain this closed room
And the 18 vs 17 red text.

>>4352334
Magic.

>>4352334
18 vs 17 red = One of the people that died simply had his corpse throw away from the island, or you could simply argue that Erika doesnt exist in EP6.

As for the closed room i dont have any obligation to solve that for you. If i deny the possibility of Shkanon i dont need to explain shit for anyone, just that Shkanon doesnt exist.

>>4349108
This theory pisses me off so much. You all assume that because she knew he died that automatically means she's the culprit. What if the culprit told her how George died just to mock her? Fuck man seriously stop blaming pure little Jessica for everything.

>>4352360
Fuck off Jessica

>>4352353
>>One of the people that died simply had his corpse throw away from the island
Fucking stupid.

Also Erika's presence is confirmed in red several times in episode 6.
You just don't try to think.

>>4352381
>>Implying that LOL PERSONA DIED is better than that

>>4352381
>>Saying that people dont like to think
>>Supporting Shkanontrice, DID and Persona killing

>>4352400
>>4352387
Persona dying may be stupid but it's actually foreshadowed a lot in the game.
Throwing people out of the island?
Both stupid and without anything to support it in the game.

>>4352425
Except it isnt supported by nothing but ''wanting to believe''.

One could easily throw someone out of the island, its a island, there is the sea and it wouldnt be hard at all.

But to imply that ''a part of Shannon's personality died here in this room'' is just too fucking stupid to swallow. Also there is no evidence for DID, just people wanting the culprit to be a psychopatic bitch.

Masks/Pretend =/= DID

>>4352454
Also it goes against the red of ep3 that counts Shannon and Kanon as two different people(two times, one with eva and another one when it says that every one of them had a envelope with a key beside them).

DID/Persona is a made up shit that doesnt even pass the ''love between writer and reader'' thing.

In b4 ''RYUKISHI IS A SHITTY WRITER THATS WHY MY SHITTY THEORY WORKS LOLOLOLOLOL''
Come one, Umineko is supposed to be solvable, this is so farfetch'd that isnt solvable at all.

>>4352454
There is a fuckload evidences of DID.
Like the fact that Shannon and Kanon see the same delusions.
That they live in the same room, sleep in the same bed and that only one of them can be happy.
That Battler never sees them together when he is a reliable POV.
That he never sees Kanon's body.
That Kanon keep appearing out of nowhere in front of Shannon, always seeing that looking over Shannon is his duty.
That Furfur and Zepar, their meta counterparts, were summoned from Beatrice's brooch that was broken in two.
That they keep saying that they aren't humans and don't have a full soul.
That Eva-Beatrice side-stepped Battler's statement about DID being possible at the end of episode 3.
That it was stated several times, enough to be weird, that Shannon used to be very different 6 years ago.
And let's not forget the:

Sayo = しゃよ= よしゃ=よしや= Yoshiya

>>4352334
Huh? I haven't played EP6 so why is Kanon able to be in 2 different places?

>>4352486
Shannon and Kanon are counted as separate all the time, doesn't mean much.

The envelopes thing wasn't stated like this.
Only that every envelopes were found next to a corpse, not the same thing.

>>4352512

Battler stated that "Everyone else" were in that room.
Everyone else should have included Kanon.

>>4352381
Is there any Erika's wiewpoint in E6?
If not, you can still argue with either Kanon or Shannon being dead since the beginning of the game, depending on the episode.

>>4352505 Sayo = しゃよ= よしゃ=よしや= Yoshiya
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>>4352544
Shkanondeltakano confirmed?

3%

>>4352505
For fuck sake anyone can pretend to be someone else without needing to have DID.

Maria and Ange see the same delusions, Natsuhi and Kanon do too, so you are saying that it means shit? If two people are cohaborating with a story of course both of them see the same shit.


>>4352524
Its said to all corpses, not just a corpse, and its stated in red that all of them had instant deaths and that six bodies were found.

>>4352566
Pretending doesn't work with Knox, simple as that.
And look at the way they were characterized for fuck's sake.

Maria, Ange and Natsuhi see their own delusions, they don't share it with anyone else.
Shannon and Kanon see and hear the exact same thing, they even both interact with Beatrice.
You don't find it weird.

Maria, Ange and Natsuhi's delusions are explained in the game, what about Shannon and Kanon?

>>4352566
>># The individual keys were found inside envelopes alongside the corpses!
Number of corpses was never stated, stop inventing shit.

Also look at Beatrice's definition of "instant death". see the huge loophole.

>>4352575
They could simply be explained later.
Natsuhi talks with Kanon and Beatrice at the same time in EP5.
And pretending works with Knox as long as there are clues.

>>4352563
Little girls flopping around like fish out of water is my fetish.

>>4352566
>Its said to all corpses, not just a corpse, and its stated in red that all of them had instant deaths and that six bodies were found.
>six bodies
No, it doesn't. Also, even if there were six bodies as confirmed by red, six bodies were found in EP1's shed as well with Kanon still walking around. This implies a fake corpse if Shkanon is true.

>>4352608
>>They could simply be explained later.
You stopped thinking right there.

>>4352608
There's no "could be explained later" the game can be solved already.
We never see Kanon and Natsuhi, the both of them speaking to Kinzo, only Natsuhi speaking and Kanon around her playing along.
Shanon and Kanon speak at the same time with Beato.

>>4352613
There are no fake corpses. The identity of all corpses is guaranteed.

The only way for it to work would be if there was never a Shannon corpse and Hideyoshi is lying.
Same thing for ep3, all the adults should be lying.
In ep4 the only way for Shkanontrice to work is if EVERYONE BUT BATTLER is lying, as Kanon is stated to be the 9th victim and personas cant be victims.

So to solve Umineko we just have to say that EVERYONE IS THE CULPRIT but Battler.

Works like a charm, doesnt it?

>>4352633

>There are no fake corpses. The identity of all corpses is guaranteed.

No, the identity of all the UNIDENTIFIABLE corpses are guaranteed.

"Shannon"'s corpse is identifiable, but WAS NOT identified by the Detective.

>>4352632
Except there is, there is a fuckton of unexplained things in Umineko that could just be explained later or explained as ''they're just cohaborating with the story''.

Kanon speaks with Beatrice and Natsuhi while they are having tea.

>>4352639
How about reading the entire post?

>>4352633
Hideyoshi lying in episode 1 is very plausible.
Each episode could see one adult playing along with Beatrice for their own profit, there is enough foreshadowing for that.

And my theory is that both Rosa and Kyrie worked along with Beatrice in episode 2 and 3.
They both separated from the adult group in episode 3 when they found Shannon's body.

>>4352633
Liars for no implied reason at all:
E1: Natsuhi(the dead Kanon thingy), Kanon-Genji
E2: Rosa, Genji, Gohda-Kumasawa-Shannon
E3: George, Kyrie
E4: Gohda-Kumasawa, Kyrie, the person on the phone.
E5: nobody, pretty much.

Otherwise you can pretty much figure out the exact reason why they are lying.

>>4352646
Hideyoshi, Shkanon, Nanjo and all the servants are helping Beatrice in ep1.

Rosa, Shkanon, Kyrie, Nanjo and all the servants are helping Beatrice in ep2

Rosa, Kyrie, Hideyoshi, Nanjo and all the servants are helping Beatrice in ep3

Kyrie, Jessica, Shkanon, Nanjo and all the servants are helping Beatrice in ep4

Everyone is making up shit in EP5.

See, its easy if everyone is a wolf.

>>4352639
The retarded part of this is, that Shannon would actually have to lie down there, hoping nobody notices she is not dead.

>>4352666
It will be a godly troll when Ryukushi reveals that Nanjo never lied about the corpses.

>>4352666
Not everyone is a wolf.
Beatrice chooses an adult in each episode to be her accomplice.
It's plausible that Rosa and Kyrie would play along, seeing their personalities and characterization.
Hideyoshi less so.

>>4352683
Who said it was a real corpse to begin with?

>>4352746
Depends on who is tricked. Of course, Eva hiding the bodies and stuff, but still I'm pretty sure that Natsuhi went in. Also it must've been prepared so that there was absolutely no chance that anyone would see her to begin with.
And if there is someone who looks like Shannon enough to make for a fake corpse, well, that's retarded. Would explain a lot of things though.

Maria with someone in EP1 in Maria-Erika with someone in ep1 and 5. that's all.

>>Also Erika's presence is confirmed in red several times in episode 6.
You just don't try to think.

yeah, and how does Erika's red have the same value of the red of the creator of the game?

that the red of the creator*

um...derpderp?

>>4352871
Serico = Rifyu = Ryukishi.

>>4352633
> personas can't be victims.
The thing is, that's never stated. You're just assuming that a persona can't be considered a victim.

>>4352646
>>4352666
>>4352691
>>[any other posts like these]
> implying Beatrice is the culprit and not simply an accomplice, though whether she is willing or unwilling is unknown

>>4352878
For that matter:
-Rifyu is Ryukishi.
-Rifyu's self-insert character is a derping infant.

Therefore, Ryukishi is a retarded baby.

>>4352821
> yeah, and how does Erika's red have the same value of the red of the creator of the game?
Erika killed five people by cutting off their heads. And they were all alive before she did so. And before you say that one of the other pieces did it, note well that Battler, the game master, was in charge of those other pieces, and he had no knowledge of the actual deaths until Erika revealed them to him.

>>4352683
What? Why would she have to do that? The only ones who'd have to be in on it, at a minimum, would be Kanon, Nanjo, and Hideyoshi. More likely, though, Jessica would know as well, as she would most likely know about the whole Shannon = Kanon stuff. As for the corpse Battler thought was there: Kanon simply arranged the bags of fertilizer from earlier in the Episode such that they would resemble a body when observed from outside the shed.

>>4352965
And? Does this prove anything? I don't care about who kill them. There is still a lot of possibilities.

for the easiest example, it would be possible that Erika don't count into the number of people on the island for Beato, she don't want her, so she just knock her out as the creator of this game.
Anyway Erika could be a title, or she could count as one with x character. Yeah, just as Shkanon.

Related to the talk about Erika and her existence as a person: In Episode 5, it's stated in red that she increases the head count by one, and we got a supposed confirmation of everyone on the island, but we're never told in red just how many people that actually was. A bit of a puzzle, is it not?

>>4353234
And on another note...

> People also wonder whether content from "Land of the golden witch", which was removed from EP3, was included in EP5.
>
> Ryuukishi: I definitely can't tell you that! It's true that the most vital part of "Land of the golden witch" is in there, but it's such a terrifying bit. Furthermore, it's something that neither Battler nor Erika nor Bernkastel has ever brought up in discussion. Maybe they didn't even realize that it was a riddle. Well, you'll probably find out soon. In EP6, a huge bit of red text info will appear regarding this point......according to the current plan.
>
> How many players have noticed what this content is so far?
>
> Ryuukishi: Zero. ...Well, I'd like to say that, but I can't. This content is extremely venomous. Very powerful.
>
> Is this content deeply related to solving the crimes?
>
> Ryuukishi: I think people who have found the "answer" probably won't have any problems. I wonder if they've realized it's a trick...... It's a very dirty trick.
>
> To put it another way, is it possible to reach the truth of the crime if you haven't noticed this trick?
>
> Ryuukishi: That's hard to say. If you don't see through the part from "Land of the golden witch", you definitely won't be able to reach several vital answers.
> However, that content was never really necessary in the first place, so you can reach the truth of the crime with it or without it. Still, it's just so venomous that there's a chance you'll be totally confused. Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.

If my interpretation of the above is correct, it's referring to Shkanon(trice), and one of the following is true:
1) It's merely Shkanon, not Shkanontrice (with Beatrice's status as the culprit still unknown)
2) It's Shkanontrice, but Beatrice is not the culprit

>>4353218
> for the easiest example, it would be possible that Erika don't count into the number of people on the island for Beato, she don't want her, so she just knock her out as the creator of this game.
Are you an idiot? It's stated in red that the count at the end of Episode 6 includes Erika.

# [Definition check. That "three people" refers to the number of bodies, correct? That means three bodies went in and out, right?] Of course. Three people, that is, three bodies, went in and out of the room. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people. Therefore, the names "Erika", "Battler", and "Kanon" refer only to the actual people.

In red.

>>4353234
Or her corpse, which could be shared with anyone, could increase the number of people. 1,2,3,4... It is not stated that it is regarding to the previous game.

>>4353243
I still think this one interview snippet from a while ago is pretty funny if you look at it while considering Shkanon:

> Ryukishi07: [Concerning the additional characters who appear on the island] Originally in a closed environment [as in Rokkenjima], the number of people should remain constant. This island should be closed, but the number of characters to appear are increasing. This contradictory situation is quite meaningful.

>>4353264
You're the one who stop thinking...

>>4353274
So, alive or dead, Erika's body entered the room.

>>4353277
>> I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people

My ding dong is itchy uryu~~

>>4353354
Mystery solved.

>>4353354
GET SOME VINEGAR.

>>4353311
There is a point where continuing to follow a specific train of thought is counterproductive. If you follow all trains of thought, you'll end up with something like the small bombs theory.

>>4353350
...and? Then, you have to deny Shkannon too. And if it is not even possible to talk about having two names. So Kanon could have turned into Joshua/Kazuya into the room, and Kanon doesn't exist, no problem.

>>4353393
That reminds me, are there still people who claim that Beatrice has just been trolling Battler in Episodes 5 and 6?

>>4353393
There's a switching problem down the line.
Small bombs.

>>4353439
haha that would be the greatest troll ever?

>>4353421
No, you don't have to deny ShKanon.
Simply because they are the same person, or "people" to be specific.

>>4353421
> Then, you have to deny Shkannon too.
No you don't. Also, "Kazuya"? What? It's "Yoshiya".

>>4353442
Nah, there are no small bombs involved. It's the boiler that explodes.

>>4353393
Small bombs is not bad for me. And there, it is way too early to stop thinking about that. Especially with the some random and interpretable red when ryukishi said that " a promise to speak only the truth is too much".

>>4353448
And so, where is the difference?

EP6 spoiler question
So Kyrie body was found in Krauss study for EP6, whats her obsession with him?

>>4353481
They flirt a lot, but that's about it.

>>4353481
3%%%%%%%

>>4353481
She probably thought that she'd be able to look through his documents when everybody left and see if she could find anything of interest.

>>4353470
If anything, it's Meta Erika who no longer exists, not piece Erika.

>>4353499
I should imagine thats the case, still everything about her is a mystery, all we can assume is she loves Rudolf very much & Kinzo was making some backroom deals involving Kyrie.

>>4353552
>Kinzo was making some backroom deals involving Kyrie

DOHOHO

>>4353533
Again, I am not talking about Erika who doesn't exist. Just about a the same thing that Shkannon but with Erika.

>>4353563
The Battler<->Asumu-baby switch is what they're most likely referring to.

>>4353573
Well when Kyrie landed Kasumi in the shit the Ushiromiya group gave a large amount of funds to the Sumadera group.
In return we can assume Kyrie was not bumped off & was simply booted out the family.

>>4353569
Doesn't work. Battler knows all the important details of the people on the island at this point. He'd know if one had Erika as another personality. Oh, and Erika herself would know as well.

>>4353603
Oh, you meant deals where Kyrie is a major player and isn't unaware of what happened.

>>4353573
> Asumu
Don't you mean Hanyuu?

>>4353621
No one knows how much she knows if you get what i mean, it's probaly the only reason i find her character interesting is because she has this shroud of secrecy.
I'd like her to be THE culprit but the silly cow keeps getting her face blown off.

>>4353605
So Batler should knows about Shkannon as well.
Even more and more, because was a close friend from Shannon many years ago.
And Erika would know? why would she obligatory knows it?

>>4353668
> So Battler should know about Shkanon as well.
Of course. If you weren't aware, Battler could have easily escaped the logic error if he revealed a portion of "Beatrice's heart". "Beatrice's heart" refers to the truth of Rokkenjima.

>>4353728
I have not seen anything yet which show that Battler knows that. I know that Knox rules are up to your interpretation, but they are just discarded there.

>>4353779
The fact that Battler can use gold truth is proof enough.

>>4353779
> I have not seen anything yet which show that Battler knows that.
"And then... I... knew."

>>4353830
>>4353728
I think >>4353779 is referring to piece Battler, not meta-Battler.

>>4353840
Well, yeah, of course piece Battler doesn't know. >>4353605 was obviously referring to meta Battler, though, and that was the post >>4353668 was responding to.

>>4353243
> If my interpretation of the above is correct, it's referring to Shkanon(trice)
He is not referring to Shkanon(trice).
He said no one had found it yet, but the fact "Battler wasn't the detective, so what he saw was unreliable in this scene" had already been familiar before this interview.
Actually it was discussed at 2ch on the next day of the released day.

Oh yeah, guys, I just checked http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text#Dawn_of_the_Golden_Witch , and look what I discovered:

# The people who were in the neighboring room at the time it was sealed were Hideyoshi, George, Kumasawa, Shannon, and Nanjo. And, there were exactly five people in the neighboring room. No one other than the people corresponding to those five names existed! All names refer only to the actual people!
> And, there were exactly five people in the neighboring room. No one other than the people corresponding to those five names existed! All names refer only to the actual people!

Kumasawa Kanon theory disproved.

On the other hand, it seems we've all been incorrect about the ending red text of Episode 6.

# Nice to meet you, hello! I am Furudo Erika, a detective!! I may be an uninvited guest, but please welcome me!! I am the visitor, the eighteenth human on Rokkenjima!!
# [We're very sorry, but] even if we welcome you, the number of people is seventeen.
This makes the Erika-not-existing story more likely, but if that's the case, and Shkanon is also true (which the red text about the neighboring room pretty much confirms), that means there really is an additional person on the island.

...Which means the Pony Theory is still viable. FUCK.

>>4354406
the pony theory is the spirit of the shippers of umineko, it will only die in the last episode if that's the case

>>4354406
> that means there really is an additional person on the island.
You're forgetting some red text from Episode 5:

# Furudo Erika only increases it by one person.
# Besides her, the number of people on this island is exactly the same as it was in the previous games.
# In other words, the number of people in this parlor now is equal to the total number of people on this island.

>>4352944
Kanon is counted in the number of people in the island.
If ''personas'' counted as people Beatrice would have to count Jessie, Ronove, Gaap, Virgilia....

>>4354484
> If ''personas'' counted as people Beatrice would have to count Jessie, Ronove, Gaap, Virgilia....
Ronove, Gaap, and Virgilia are most likely not personalities. They are based off of people on the gameboard, but they do not actually exist within those people. ...At least, I don't think they do.

Shit, I just imagined Nanjo with Gaap's personality. FFFF

>>4348538
bampu pantsu

>>4354548
Yes, but if Beatrice is a Persona she would have to be counted.

>>4354548
Who knows. After all Kumasawa is transforming into Virgilia in ep6. that's why before saying that Shkanon is true, we should wait for the game to be translated. Also, the theory that Erika just got knocked out by Beato would be an awesome troll for everyone.

>>4354566
> Beatrice is a Persona

>>4354601
CAPE > * > JUSTICE SUIT

YOU KNOW IT IN YOUR HEART TO BE TRUE

>>4354601
Well it would explain a lot of things, but where did Battler hid his evoker during the story?

>>4354406.
So the majority of the red text in Episode 6 deals with the closed rooms of the cousins' room, the room neighboring the cousins' room, and the guest room in the mansion...

>>4354617
His pants, of course.

>>4354617
He hid it in his hand.

>>4354631
Fake hand a la Luke and Anakin Skywalker?

>>4354601
This picture always makes me temporarily revert back to a justice suit fangirl, as opposed to approving of the cape.

GODDAMMIT BATTLER

>>4354647
I like this picture of him in the suit best, for some reason.

>>4354655
Because best Battler and the 2 best Stakes.

>>4354655
>>4354657
This brings to mind Ryukishi's latest TIP, and what happens to Lucifer in it.

>>4354663
I would have done it with asmodeus personally, but I guess Lucifer is not a bad choice either

>>4354663
The best part of the new TIP was Evatrice in her modified outfit.

Can't wait for future Comikets, not for EP7 but because there will be a doujin featuring that Eva and probably school swimsuit!Erika as well.

>>4354674
I would have chosen Mammon and Beelz.

Mammon because she'd be super into it, Beelz because twintails, both because they'd be some kind of greedy~.

>>4354674
Battler had no reason to do that to Asmodeus, though. Lucifer was the one who tortured him.

>>4354681
> miniskirt!EVA and school-swimsuit!Erika

>>4354698
Well, tortured him more than the other Stakes did, at least.

>>4354698
Erika looks simultaneously healthy and DFC.

Too much want.

>>4354663

new TIP? do tell.

>>4353481
She's clearly a flirt for him: see EP 4 when everyone is escaping the prison for proof.

But more than that, in the game it says that room was the closet one for her to hide in. I'm more interested that Kyrie literally fights Jessica with a closed room. It even falls under Beato's closed room definition from EP 3.

>>4354704
>paying attention to Erika instead of delicious Evatrice

>>4354731

Speaking of Episode 4, she never mourned Rudolf did she? From what I can tell, Rudolf was a wreck in Episode 6. But Kyrie just blows it off like a minor inconvenience. I think Kyrie is having an affair with Krauss, which would explain how she came up with the tactic she did when trying to extort money from him.

>>4354729
http://pastebin.com/m475012dd

Hopefully it's posted elsewhere as well.

>>4354773
According to narration it says she wants to hold in her tears until after everything is over with.

Rudolf's tears in EP 6 were fake, so I wouldn't really count them. Although he is a good actor.

>>4354773
>an affair with Krauss

who would want to have an affair with an idiot like Krauss. Fuck not even Natsuhi wants to have sex with him anymore.

Besides Kyrie is such a major yandere - I'm pretty sure she was just kidding around.

>>4354823
Opposites attract.

Kyrie must be really pissed off by Rudolf, after all Rudolf himself said he'll probably be killed. and in the context (early in the game) it could only be Kyrie he's talking about.
either it's Battler's birth or he hid some shit about his debt from Kyrie and now they are officially fucked.

>>4354817
HEY GUYS.
LET'S ALL PRETEND TO BE DEAD.
NOTHING CAN GO WRONG.
NOTHING CAN GO WRONG.
NOTHING.
CAN.
GO.
WRONG.

>>4354838
Rudolf and Kyrie themselves are already opposites. EP 6 Kyrie even details this herself.

Rudolf is a charismatic, outgoing, humorous guy
Kyrie is generally a dismissive, business-like, usually serious woman.

>>4354847
I don't think anything can make Kyrie hate him.

she pretty much almost went and killed Asumu just to be with him and pretty much forgives him for sleeping with Asumu, even though she herself acknowledges that it was his fault

>>4354838
Except smart people do not usually go for stupid people.

Besides, Krauss seems to love Natsuhi as EP 5 shows. I can't even see him being smart enough to be able to hide an affair.

>>4354849
>a charismatic, outgoing, humorous guy

...Sounds a lot like Battler.

HEY /jp/

LOOKS LIKE IT'S TIME FOR A GAME OF WOULD YOU RATHER

>>4354885
Rudolf is still better than Battler. Even more so if Hachijou is really Asumu, which would mean Rudolf fucked a freaking god.

>>4354892
>implying that having the status of a god means that one is better in some way than Beato

>>4354897
At her current level, yes. Beatrice hasn't realized her true potential yet.

>>4354897
Battler hasn't even slept with Beato yet and she's imaginary, while Hachijou and Kyrie are both real people

>>4354904
>dem_thighs.png

There's really nothing to realize.

>>4354912
Meta-Battler is just as imaginary as Beato.

So, yeah, they can fuck.

>>4354919
But they still haven't.

If it was Rudolf he would have had hate sex with her before we even see EP 2 begin.

Anyone remember this from the first episode? Battler doesn't know Shannon or Kanon's real name? But Shannon lets both George and Jessica know her name is Sayo?

>>4354926
Wait, Jessica knows Shannon's non-furniture name?

>>4354936
Yeah, Jessica does. It's in the second episode where she acknowledges her as her best friend and talking about their relationship. Both Jessica and George are present in the guest house. And Maria and Battler (asleep or watching tv) were still at the mansion.

>>4354936
Im sure it was in Eps 3 or whatever episode had Beato's brooch

>>4354924
If it was Rudolf, the second he saw Beato he'd just throw her down on the nearest table/chair/at least partially solid surface and just fuck the shit out of her. Not even hatesex.

>>4354924
>implying Battler and Beato haven't already had glorious hatesex

>>4355004
>implying that they have

>>4354945
See, this is why I'd be surprised if she didn't know about the Shkanon shenanigans. Well, maybe if she herself were crazy, but beyond that....

>>4355026
>implying

>>4355004
Between him hating her in EP 2, slapping the shit out of her in EP 3 and him stabbing her in EP 4, only to make her comatose in EP 5?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Battler's still a virgin.

George isn't the culprit, Beatrice is. No, don't hand me the Mysteryfag bullshit, it was Beatrice. If it WASN'T Beactrice then 60% of the cast doesn't really exist and about 90% of the series is rendered moot.

>>4355121
And he always will be. He's the pure heroine of this series.

>>4355146
Beatrice is acting as a scapegoat for the true culprit. She was taking their sins, whoever they are, onto herself.

Well, Meta Beatrice was, at least. Can't necessarily say the same for piece Beatrice.

>>4355153
MAI WAIFU~

>>4355146
Well of course all the magic-side characters exist. It's just that, in the real world, most of them aren't people but rather objects.

>>4355121

You know what they say about virgins...

They attract unicorns

>>4355175
Battler is a virgin.
Virgins attract unicorns.
Battler attracts everyone in the series.

Therefore, everyone in the series is a unicorn.

>>4355175
A Meta version of the Unicorn Gundam would be quite interesting.

>>4355183
Interesting...

>>4355146

George and Kyrie culprits hold the most love though. Beatrice deceives everybody that's why she's all alone and nobody loves her.

>>4355199
George is a faggot. Really, OP is right, he deserves to die. Fuck, Jessica went up a page in my book for offing him in episode 4.

>>4355199
Aside of the entire fanbase of course, and considering how Umineko works, I would be unsurprised if that became important.

>>4355219

What are you talking about the OP didn't say he deserves to die. He said if he was the culprit his death would be more satisfying.

>>4355183
Combine that with >>4352949, and I think we could be on to something here.

George's death always prompts a flood of JYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJI-KUN NO~ from Eva, though.

>>4355267
Well, Eva is my waifu, but George needs to die. Seriously.
He is all that stands in Piece Battler's way for a HAREM end.

>>4355319
George is a fat faggot and a cockblock.

>>4348535
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

>>4355319
God, you're right.
You're totally right.
Hell, with George out of the way, Kanon can still exist! God, that'd be the best ending ever!

>>4355347
>"It's George's fault that Kanon can't exist"

I thought that was Battler's fault. You know due to him being incompetent and all, and taking a nap at the beginning of episode 2. Battler = sloth?

>>4355374
I think the furniture are somewhat dependent upon the person who loves them.
Yeah, Kanon dies before Jessica does in episode 3, but he comes back to life.

Pretty much, if George ends up marrying Shannon, we can say good-bye to Kanon and Beatrice.

However, I think Jessica would be fine sharing Kanon with Battler.

George, however, the lord of assholes, wouldn't.

>>4355393
Jessica and Battler would both be open to the idea of incest-and-Kanon threesomes.

George, as stated previously, is a fat faggot and would not approve.

>>4355417
It's simple, really..
Kill the fatman.

>>4355417
Jessica would be proud of and brag about having 2 lovers...even though one is actually a girl. But hay, Jessica is a dyke so there's nothing wrong with that.

>>4355500
Oh, the GAME OF PRETEND would be glorious.
Two Beatos, Meidos, Butlers, all this is possible, if George just stops breathing.

I'm the OP and am surprised this thread is STILL alive. Ya, I hate George and wish him dead. I stated the post as if he is bound to die BECAUSE he shits everything up, and the only good end with most people actually being happy is the one in which he dies.

>>4355488
Laugh and grow fat!

The Butler did it.

Hey Ryukishi is a troll and when he uses a cliche it becomes a reverse cliche.

>>4355637
Nah. That's still pretty damn cliched.
Hell, Shkanontrice has been done before, more or less.
Remember the Kohaku route in Tsukihime?

>>4355689
Except now Kohaku and Hisui are the same person and Shiki is a virgin.

>>4355734
Yeah, it's somewhat less awesome.
The premise is almost identical, though.
Childhood promises will KILL YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY.

>>4355764
Except Kohaku didn't kill them because of anything to do with Shiki, Shiki was just a person she admired and nothing more until her route. Hisui was the one that broke and became a recluse when Shiki left, Shiki was Hisui's happiness.

>>4355689

That's also where Teatrice comes from because you can assume that Rosa put some kind of weird herb in the tea. Like Kohaku and her garden

>>4348538
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