/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>43428023
First one
>The reason why youkai look like girls with fancy dresses is to lure in outsiders

>>43428202
>The reason why youkai look like girls with fancy dresses is because Reimu and Marisa are pedos

>>43428239
Can you be a Pedo being under 18 years old?

>The Lunarian Defense Force has connections to the SADF
>Moon rabbits speak Japanese, while Lunarians speak Lunarian
>Akyuu should be long dead by this point
>Tengu reproduce by adbucting male villagers
>the 'real form' of 2hus is just how they appear, there is nothing beyond that
>Gensokyo can be seen by satellite
>Europeans made it to the territory currently known as Gensokyo during the Sengoku era

>>43428023
>touhou con orgy
nani?!

>>43428023
>Gensokyo is a matriarchal society
>Yukuri is behind alien abductions
>Hakurei shrine maidens used to die often before the spell card rules.
>Smack talk is an unofficial rule of Spell Card fights.,

>>43428023
Gensokyo and the events of the games, mangs etc. Did not actually exists, everything is dreamed by reimu after she went to a coma due being ran kver by a truck.

>>43428978
I personally like the theories that envolves someone dreaming an entire world of fantasy, but does this have any connection with the "ZUN made CTC" theory?

>The Lunarian Defense Force has connections to the SADF
Seriously? I was thinking Lunarian we're based in the Gestapo, Luftwaffe, basically nazis

>>43428513
>Gensokyo can be seen by satellite
If Gensokyo can be seen by satellite, does that means that in the Touhou universe, goverments have knowledge of it, and want to cover up everything like a SCP?

>>43429018
No i made it up.

>>43428023
What if the ships getting lost on bermunda triangle are sent to gensokyo or a gensokyo equivalent of its area?

>>43428023
>Hourai Shoujo shrine maidens are former Hakurei shrine maidens
>Renko's and Maribel's world takes place in Seihou world
>Okina is Ōkuninushi
>ZUN's and Ryukishi07's cancelled collaboration project

>>43429223
Has some sense, Gensokyo its a black hole for everything that has been forgotten, so, along with the theory of "Texas is western gensokyo", there can be more "Gensokyos" around the world, like a submarine Gensokyo, the atlantida, maybe

>>43429237
>ZUN's and Ryukishi07's cancelled collaboration project
I never have heared about this, what it is?

>>43429237
>Renko's and Maribel's world takes place in Seihou world
I don't know enought about Seihou, but for what i understand its a futuristic world with High-tech located hundreds of years ahead of our time

>>43428859
>Yukuri is behind alien abductions
Do you mean Yukari?

>>43428513
>Tengu reproduce by adbucting male villagers
And whats then? The fuck them? They eat them? and then have eggs?

>>43428513
>the 'real form' of 2hus is just how they appear, there is nothing beyond that
Taking in count, the fact that we have enever seen the real form of any 2hu, it can be true, but i want to know Nue's true form anyways

>>43429187
Based on?

>>43429303
Heard this long time ago, but there's a rumour/theory that ZUN and Ryukishi were planning to create a work together, as they were friends. However, ZUN was busy with Touhou and Ryukishi with Umineko, so the project was cancelled. But both creators referenced each other's works respectively, in MoF and Umineko.
ZUN: Suwako saying "au" in MoF extra, similar to Hanyuu from Higurashi
R07: picrel, witch Gaap who has the power to create gaps/portals similar to Yukari, Flandre referenced as a "495 year old killer who has been hiding in a hidden room", all from Umineko, and then there was an inner discussion about Spell Cards in Higurashi Rei
Probably the closest thing the collaboration work would've looked like is Higanbana by Ryukishi, a manga/VN series about school horror stories and youkai

>>43429328
>futuristic world with High-tech located hundreds of years ahead of our time
Exactly, also how the vegetation and ecosystem in Seihou world is similarly collapsed like in Hifuu world. Maribel claims to have never seen a real bamboo shoot, as the only ones they got in their era are artificial ones

>>43429745
From where is the rumour?

>>43429034
I thought the going theory was that the moon was based on the CCP, Makai/hell was based on the US/Europe, and Gensokyo was just Japan.

>>43429034
>isolated yet technologically far superior fighting force upholding a state of racial segregation

SADF it is.

>>43429852
Damn, does someone have that drawing of Reimu and Marisa as Rhodesian security forces?

Reimu is a christian exorcist. Since christianism was banned in Japan they had to practice it in subtle ways, like Reimu wearing red and white, which represents the blood of Christ and the light of god. Thats why no one knows the Hakurei shrine god's name, not even Reimu, because god has no real known name, its just god.
Also christianism was practiced mostly by poor people, and Reimu lives off donations which she barely gets.

>>43430363
>god has no real known name
t. Theologylet.

>>43430456
Wow you are right, i googled it and he has like 7 different names. Still it seens he only revelead it to big dick prophets, and while it seems to be recorded on the old testament, i do not think Reimu has acess to them since it would be dangerous to keep them before the barrier was made.

>>43428513
>>43429366
We saw quite a few actually, and the snake youkai in FS shows that 2hu basically in a disguise mode 24/7

>>43430656
The real question is that if they are still female on their true form.

>>43429745
With the Umineko point
A bunch of Touhou creators did Umineko ost work
Cool and create doing a song on rokkenjima in love
And JIMANG with oh desire and another piece

>>43429055
Yeah, I always assumed an SCP-like scenario with Gensokyo. A kind of "cover us up or else we'll unleash havoc on the outside world" type scenario, so using a bit of photoshop on satellite images and using some internet text crawlers to make the public believe Gensokyo isn't real is a small price to pay

>>43430984
>"cover us up or else we'll unleash havoc on the outside world"
While interesting, this idea blatantly contradicts the fact that magical entities can barely even survive outside of Gensokyo and the various otherworlds unless they're top dogs, and even then they wouldn't be that big a threat.

>>43430984
Gensokyo holds no chance whatsoever against the outside world. The moon? Different story.

>>43431096
Neil Armstrong Solos the entire Lunar Capital.

>>43431054
I remembered my own theory wrong. I meant the Japanese government acts like that, spreading disinformation about Gensokyo.

It's been a long month

>>43428513
>Gensokyo can be seen by satellite
Gensokyo is situated in a perfectly ordinary mountainous rural region of Japan, of course you can see it. The question is whether you can see any of Gensokyo's inhabitants without crossing the border. The Hakurei Shrine exists in the outside world, too, but all of the people visiting it are from Gensokyo.

>>43431054
If the Outside world is covering up the existence of Gensokyo I can think of some alternatives. One is they have some idea it exists but are hushing everything up because they want to exploit it for themselves and don't want other governments to find out.The other is that Gensokyo is in contact with the certain figures in the Outside World and is slowly drip-feeding them benefits to act as spies.

>>43431189
The latter idea feels the most reasonable, or even the possibility that some power players in Gensokyo might have leverage over influential people from the Outside World. The logic that "what's common sense Outside is uncommon in Gensokyo" could even be interpreted as meaning that the worse state the Outside World is in, the better for Gensokyo.

Lunar War was real

https://youtube.com/watch?t=3345&v=fCp0SDEJsp8&feature=youtu.be

Asking here since this a lore thread.
Reimu killed the fortune teller because he turned himself imto a youkai on purpose, which could lead into breakimg balance and all that.
But would she exterminate you if you turn into a youkai by accident? Like getting turned into a vampire by another vampire, or dying and coming back as a youkai due to extreme anger issues.

How safe is the drinking water of Gensokyo? I think that since they do not have mines and factories to pollute them simply boilling them would make them perfectly safe to drink right?

>>43432791
it turns the fairies gay

>>43432729
>Reimu killed the fortune teller because he turned himself imto a youkai on purpose, which could lead into breakimg balance and all that.
Yes she exterminated him because he was breaking the balance of Gensokyo because he was a resident of the Human Village and doing something like that is very forbidden.
>But would she exterminate you if you turn into a youkai by accident? Like getting turned into a vampire by another vampire, or dying and coming back as a youkai due to extreme anger issues.
She only exterminates if you're doing something that would disrupt the balance of Gensokyo's existence. If the human was a part of the village then yes good as dead because villagers are off the menu for all youkai, but if the person was an outsider they're free game for everyone they'd be safe to turn or kill. Fortune Teller was killed because he was a villager who saw the bigger picture of Gensokyo and wanted to be part of it. If he was allowed to live it could make other villagers try to do the same thing he did and would very much kill Gensokyo as the Human Village is essentially the Heart that keeps it alive.

>>43429812
Heard it from a Higurashi/Umineko fan outside 4chan
>>43430851
You're right, even U2 Akiyama, who is well-known for arranging themes for Touhou fighting games, has created Umineko tracks

>>43432054
Pretty much the legend of Chang'e is much more well-known than Touhou lore

>>43432054
If the Lunar Capital we're people that somehow traveled to the moon hundreds of years ago, does that means that in their time on earth they had advanced techology or they used magic?

>>43433313
Yes. Eirin purportedly figured out how to travel to the moon upon realising that 'the world was based on probabilities', which to me suggests that they went there through technological means, not magical ones.

On a sidenote, since the Lunarian language is incomprehensible to non-moonies, is it a branch of Chinese, or a completely new language? Having a sample of this moonfrikaans would be interesting.

>>43429745
>Flandre referenced as a "495 year old killer who has been hiding in a hidden room", all from Umineko
Umineko only started in 2007, dude. Flandre existed well before that.

>>43432729
>>43433079
>Breaking the balance
Anyone who pays attention knows this explanation is bullshit though. Reimu might even believe it, but Yukari already confirmed that there is no "balance" in Gensokyo, there are already more youkai alone, not even mentioning gods and other such things, than can be sustained by the human population.

If The Fortune Teller were to spread knowledge of his methods, that would still be an issue, but setting aside the fact that he clearly had no intention of that, if that were the issue, you'd think there would be a closer eye kept on things that could turn people into youkai, regardless of the method.

>>43433761
I like to think Lunarian language is like Icelandic language, the language remained unchanged due to it being spoken in an isolated area.
I'd argue Lunarian language is some Proto-Japonic language, or some extinct East Asian language. Tsukuyomi is based on the same-named Japanese god, which indicates him and his followers originate from Japanese archipelago and from an ancient Japanese culture, like Jōmon or Yayoi.
Chang'e is Chinese, but it's up to assumption how she communicates with these Lunarians. Maybe she doesn't, as she is treated as a prisoner

Lunarian are Jomon

>>43431189
Honestly, I would be extremely happy for an Outside World based antagonist in Touhou. Not like an isekai type like Sumireko, but an actual antagonist that is targeting Gensokyo for his/her reasons.

>>43434440
I would like the outside world being dystopian and a main villain for the last touhou game, we're the outside world discovers Gensokyo and the final boss is a man that wants to conquer for narcissist purposes

>>43434079
Read >>43433936
Yeah

What was the best Touhou Villain?

>>43433313
i think Lunarian "tecnology" is actually more magical than Mechanical/Physics somethng like Eldar in 40k
>"the world was based on probabilities"
This is "probable" a lunarian cope

>>43435240
Exactly, do you think they used Portals or a conventional form?

>>43435461
didn't toyohime do what yukari usually do, and conected the moon and the earth?
if your average lunarian noble can do that, it is not a surprise they do it the first time they migrate.

>>43434492
It desn't even need to be narcissistic, there are valid reason for wanting to butcher every single thing in gensokyo.
Why does this monsters that look down on humanity yet are less than us and parasiticaly depend on mankind, get to retire and have peace?
Why they deserve a paradise where criminals for past massacres and high bodycounts of innocent get to hide and chill?
how does gensokyo justified itself?

>>43434862
there are no true villains. no one is really bad. even the ones that almost destroyed Gensokyo didn't do it because they're villains or they didn't have their reasons.

>>43435768
You sure? Byakuren does exist.

>>43435620
Toyohime's power is never presented as something that people can just learn. It's always treated as some unique ability that makes her highly qualified to serve as a leader of the Lunar Emissaries. Most powers in Touhou that aren't tied to someone's species are treated as something they've had since birth or develop through means they don't really understand themselves, rather than through training.
Lunarians tend to get high-level powers such as Sagume's ability to reverse fate or Kaguya's power to manipulate eternity/instants and create pure lands (possibly the single most valuable power for the Lunarians), but otherwise it's the same as for youkai like Flandre having unique powers that seem to just appear randomly. They're all just unique to the individuals.

>>43435831
Nothing comes from nothing, the last chapter of lotus eater proves that suika gourd requieres necessary secondary contingence to work. (other gourds and liquids in gensokyo)

>>43434862
A full-fledged villain, Okina. For example, she caused the Four Seasons Incident just for attention and caused the Black Water Incident by giving power to Yuuma, which she then blamed as the main culprit. Often final bosses have apologized for doing something wrong and becoming friends with the heroines, but Okina keeps being evil and giving zero fuck for the consequences

>>43435897
I just wish, that touhou had a real villain, i mean, i like touhou villains but hey aren't evil, i wish a villain like Lord Tsukuyomi actually doing really evil things and the Lunar Capital being Dystopian, or the outside world being dystopian and managed by some kind of "Illuminatis" and wanting to conquer Gensokyo, do you think ZUN would do something incredible for the last touhou game? Something like a definitive Lunarian or outside world invasion?

>>43436043
>the last touhou game?
That's not ever happening, or atleast the plot you're wishing for isn't happening, Touhou is all about random bullshit fancy events happening and getting resolved with a cup of tea in the end, it'll never get as serious as you say

>>43436065
What do you think are ZUN plans?

>>43435768
Seija

>>43436103
I don't know, he'll just keep making more touhou games with fancy characters until he either die of old age or let the fandom run its own course

>>43436103
To never have any story development for anything or anyone in Touhou, and commit Kentaro Miura due to liver failure.

>>43436123
The communistouhou

>>43436184
Do you think Touhou in other hands would be better or worse? I think examples like KKHTA can give an idea of how ould be touhou in the hands of another person

Do you imagine A touhou manga wrote by Kentaro Miura?

>>43436219
Every single passion work like 2hoes gets worse when it leaves the hands of its creator.

>>43432729

>>43436992
Several outsiders were drawn into another realm at the same time.
All of them, one by one, became victims of youkai, one way or another.
Just another day in Gensokyo. Nothing for the shrine maiden to fret over.

>>43436043
>last touhou game
I think this title will be incidental following his death rather than something actually planned to be the last.
>>43436219
I think it would be worse no matter what. Unofficial works always seem to gravitate toward the same shit (favorites from 6-11) with little regard for the rest of the series.

>>43428513
>Akyuu should be long dead by this point
no, but she's really close to drop dead, like in a little more than 1 year

>>43428023
>humans run gensokyo
most likely gapped from the outside world

>>43429237
>Hourai Shoujo shrine maidens are former Hakurei shrine maidens
no proof outside maybe the miko in DiPP but no doubts either

>>43429745
>>43430851
>>43433220
also tsurupettan being part of umineko official OST

>>43436043
>I just wish, that touhou had a real villain
the closest was mima, but she even got her redemption in MS

>>43437463
>Unofficial works always seem to gravitate toward the same shit (favorites from 6-11) with little regard for the rest of the series.
I would argue that sometimes goes as far as 15 (while jumping 14) but yes, is the same shit, SPECIALLY with SDM crew (I'd love to creampie non-spot flandre like many others but even then the presence of the same 6 characters is just absurd)

>>43428023
>mima is the 5st primsriver
setz doujin made in, lel

>>43437511
Humans run Gensokyo because it's full of youkai, thus it's dangerous to stay there!

Is there some connection between the dream world from LoLK, Mugenkan and the place Getsus live in or are these separate worlds?

>>43437594
>Mugenkan and the place Getsus live
very possible
>LoLK dream path + ULiL castle
probably no

There are a lot of Gensokyos for each continent

>>43428023
Reimu never actually left the Probability Space Hypervessel. Most of post-PoDD Gensokyo actually takes place inside a holodeck-like simulation program. The so-called Hakurei barrier is only a consequence of the finite computational resources of this simulation.
Yukari was directly tasked by Prof. Okazaki with maintaining this barrier, enhancing its credibility and managing input/output of players in the simulation.
The plot of Imperishable Night is about Eirin -who figured everything out, she's not the Brain of the Moon for nothing- putting up a firewall to harden against intrusion by Lunarian hackers, which is why IN staff roll is a rearrange of PoDD staff roll.
Maribel Hearn is related to Yumemi in some way. I don't know much about it, though, but Merry's "Dream World" seemingly has some connection with the simulation and this is possibly why Yukari looks like her. Maybe the Hypervessel's holodeck is powered by Merry's dreams or something.

>>43437512
Writing those DiPP theories in last thread made me think about the connection between Hourai Shoujo and Hourai Ningyou. ZUN drew all of them in 2001, while he planned originally releasing DiPP in Winter Comiket 2001 (C61). The Hourai Shoujo shrine maidens dress up in white, which could make someone misinterpret them as Pierrots. Rehearsing the story:
First Pierrot, with a Jeweled Branch of Hourai, beheaded the most curious one.
Second Pierrot took the most beautiful one captive.
Third Pierrot beheaded the youngest one deep in forest.
Fourth Pierrot covered the honest ones in darkness and killed the wisest one.
Fifth Pierrot was probably a hallucination, created from the Pierrot stories the other honest ones told about, which the most mature one saw before dying due to poisoning
Pierrot disappears at this point of the story, but she or Jacket girl helps the most cowardly one to carry out the murder of the most wary one. One Hourai Shoujo is a maid, so her being responsible for making the honest ones poisoned coffee and meals would make sense. There are five Hourai Shoujo shrine maidens, DiPP shrine maiden included.

The earliest riser sees the shrine maiden he saw earlier in the story enter the mansion and wonders if shrine maiden's hair was really blonde. This indicates the earliest riser was the only one to know the difference between a Pierrot and a shrine maiden. The most curious one maybe mistook a shrine maiden's gohei as the Jeweled Branch of Hourai, which the shrine maiden used to kill the honest one.
When the earliest riser saw a shrine maiden at the mansion, he thought it was the same one dancing above the lake, but didn't remember her hair being blonde. Meaning, the shrine maiden dancing was different from the one who came to the house and killed him. Both of them had same shrine maiden clothes, which made the earliest riser mistook her. The most beautiful one, who refers to both shrine maiden and Pierrot in her story, could be viewed as an "unreliable narrator", who lied in order to keep her murderer identity hidden.
As for the reason why the shrine maidens did this, it was meant to keep balance in the population count. And as for why there are several shrine maidens, there existed several exorcists in Gensokyo in the past, but currently Reimu is the one who does the job. Of course, this is just a theory and I have hard time believing it myself. I just felt like writing this dumb theory that came up in my mind.

Honestly though, Hourai Shoujo shrine maidens were just illustrations that ZUN contributed to a shrine maiden fetish site. ZUN sent these shrine maiden pics as "gifts" to the site and hosted the shrine maiden pics he received as "gifts" on his own homepage. The site, with ZUN's name on it: http://web.archive.org/web/20010529172514fw_/http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~rei12345/mikosan.htm

Give me the run down on the Watersushi Sisters

Mokou, Kaguya and Eirin are technically a permavirgins since their hymen regenerates

Patchouli accidentally released the scarlet mist while doing research. Remilia did not bother informing Reimu of this because it was more fun to have humans believe she is capable of doing such a thing.

>>43444655
And the plan to conquer Gensokyo then?

>>43430363
This is true and I chose to believe this

>>43444677
>"Eh, why not?"
- Remilia Scarlet, 2003

>>43428023
>ZUN is a paid actor
Does that mean real ZUN is sober?
Thank god, I was worrying for his family

>>43428513
>>the 'real form' of 2hus is just how they appear, there is nothing beyond that
Ahaha, wrong

Cutesokyofag

Are the Prismrivers outfits inspired by traditional Mongolian musician costumes or am I imagining things?

did humans have the upper hand before?

>>43446754
>Cutesokyofag
Eh, if youkai choose to show themselves as cute little girls they can't be so bad.

>>43447142
They turn into girls so they can lure sex-driven outsiders like you into them
It's not that hard to deduce, cutesokyofag

>>43447234
Well you tell me, Anon, how else are they supposed to get laid?

>>43446712
ZUN has danmaku battles with his wife

>>43446754
>immediately making the argument cute v. grim
it's tiring

>>43450296
And who wins? If he wins they have sex?

>>43428023
Who wins?
Cutesokyo vs Grimsokyo fags

>>43451624
If she wins they also have sex

>>43451651
Grimsokyo is closer to canon, but Cutesokyo is closer to fanon. You decide which has greater staying power.

>>43452270
In reality, both are closer to fanon, remember that Grimsokyo is in part product of things like KKHTA, and zounouse doujins and Igyiokyo, and cutesokyo is closer to fanon because it is what the bast majority of people think about gensokyo, and both are closer to canon because gensokyo is a combination of both

>>43428023
While Youkai Mountain is most likely one of Yatsugatake range's peaks, I find it debatable that Gensokyo is located where the real Yatsugatake mountains are (between Nagano and Yamanashi) - the landscape doesn't fit due to a lack of a lake of fitting size and location, and I doubt that Misty Lake is actually lake Suwa, which is the closest lake not in the mountains, otherwise MoF wouldn't need to happen. One of these landmarks is probably not native to Gensokyo.
>>43452270
Both in separation from each other are shit
>DUDE GORE LMAO
>wow, another uneventfull SoL manga #3274856 aka official manga, how exciting zzz...

>>43452286
>KKHTA, and zounouse doujins
Oh yeah, I don't acknowledge those unless I absolutely must. If that's your yardstick, then yeah, Grimsokyo based on those would indeed be pure fanon trash.

>>43428023
Possible DiPP and PCB connection this has spoilers in regards to Sakuya B's ending.
In the ending there is a flower viewing party at the Hakurei Shrine where it is revealed that there is somebody who was buried beneath one of the cherry trees and have been there for about 50 years. Within the Comiket 63 version of DiPP for the track Lovely Mound of Cherry Blossoms ~ Japanese Flower, the story mentions an unnamed person buried beneath a cherry tree and notes that the petals used to be a crimson red but have grown paler through the years. Now in Sakuya B's ending the cherry blossoms also appear to turn red around Reimu although it's also mentioned it could've just been the sun setting that caused this. I think the corpse might be the same one in the DiPP story especially since DiPP has a pretty strong connection with the Hakurei Shrine having the viewpoint from one of the shrine maidens in its Comiket 62 story with an entry from her diary. Also both DiPP and a trial of PCB were also released alongside each other during Comiket 63 so I don't think this is too far of a stretch to speculate on.

>>43452454
You're correct, DiPP does indeed have a connection to the games, but they're rather light and just hinting what's about to happen in the final game, like in the case of PCB. Legend of Hourai has a straight connection to Princess Kaguya, and is basically hinting a future Touhou game, IN, and the plot around an immortality elixir.
Dichromatic Lotus Butterfly ~ Red and White has a callback to Shuusou Gyoku, the 1st Seihou game.
>It looks like some strange person has slipped through again.
>I'd better do something before she gets to the shrine...
>Oh, that girl... doesn't look like a human nor a youkai.
The speaker is most likely Marisa, who attacks the girl before she enters Hakurei Shrine. The girl in question is VIVIT, who Marisa recognizes as mechanical being, hence she "doesn't look like a human nor a youkai"

Can we discuss how Gensokyo looks? Like in the Gensokyo map discussion thread

>>43452319
That said, the real world basis for the Hakurei Shrine is also in that area. Rather than being a different location, I think it's more likely that powerful beings such as gods and youkai had altered the landscape significantly between the creation of the barrier and now, especially given that Spellcard Rules are a relatively recent invention.

age

>>43430363
Do you think there are more christians in Gensokyo?

>>43428663
We have discuss it in the Touhoufest thread, and it is dead end

>>43452454
Adding on to this, an interesting thing point out for it.
Yukari actually mentions the shine has crimson cherry trees within CoLA in the chapter Colorless Sakura, but I don't think we've ever seen them being depicted as such, they're always a cherry color when shown, the only time they've reddened to match this description is in Sakuya B's ending. I think Yukari might just have been remembering how these trees used to look in the past just like the story for DiPP mentions that the crimson color has been fading, growing paler with each year.

>>43459030
Christianity can't work in Gensokyo due to the fundamental beliefs regarding youkai/demons

>>43459714
For example
>Jesus will save all of humanity and demons are already condemned to hell-
*Get munched on by a random youkai*

See what I mean? It's not like the Outside World where everything is bereft of youkai, there is an actual presence of demons there

>>43459030
Doubtful. Only some of the most learned people in Gensokyo (Akyuu, Aya, Kasen) seem to have any idea on what Christianity is. There's also the fact that actual youkai and gods are running around which would push someone to another belief.

>>43459734
This, it's one thing to believe in demons who are responsible for mischief, and another to see one right fucking standing in front of you
Most of christianity operate by the perception that demons are either already in hell or just powerless/invisible, it'd be a new shock to see a real one with actual magic powers

>>43459714
>>43459729
>>43459734
>>43459749
This is a rather weak argument against the existence of Christians in Gensokyo. Contrary to (extremely) popular belief, it's possible to be Christian without denying the existence of other gods than Capital G. For example, Mormons have such a doctrine.
As for demons, if they are already in hell or powerless, then what do Christian exorcists even do? Not to mention, the concept of youkai doesn't seem to map 1:1 to the concept of demons. In this regard, also consider for instance how Islam has no issue combining monotheist faith with the existence of jinn.
Still, I find the idea of Reimu being Christian a bit weird. She does not strike me as having that characteristic "Christian recklessness" in exterminating youkai. By this I mean that she seems considerably less hardcore about it than, say, the Belmonts or Ciel.
But that's just my opinion.

>>43460696
I don't think you quite get what we meant.
The thing is, even if there are christians in Gensokyo, the belief just isn't compatible, the redemption of christ and the whole "demons will burn in hell" already become meaningless when there are already fucking demons roaming nature and eating humans, it's not the same type of environment as the Outside World where one can conveniently believe in that just because there are no youkai around, the fear in here is concrete
Do i have to explain more or do you get the gist?

>>43461193
Naruhodo. Your argument is that other ideologies and religions are simply more appealing. Even IRL Christians struggle with remaining faithful when confronted with evil, after all, so what would they think in a world where humans are clearly disposable, other than "God is a joke"?

>>43428023
Remembered seeing this theory in another iceberg pic:
>Kikurihime is Hakurei God
The nameplate of Hakurei Shrine's torii gate in HRtP doesn't read "Hakurei" (博麗), but "Hakusan" (白山). I'm not sure about the first kanji, but the second kanji is definitely "mountain". As we know, one of the Hourai Shoujo illustrations is titled as "Training on Mt. Haku" (白山修験). This could indicate Touhou's world, before the introduction of the concept called "Gensokyo", would be located near the mountains of Ishikawa and Gifu Prefectures, instead of modernly known between Nagano Prefecture and Kanto region.
The main shrine of Hakusan area is called "Shirayama Hime Shrine" (白山比咩神社, note the same kanjis), where the deities Izanami, Izanagi and Kukurihime (also known as Shirayama Hime) are enshrined. In addition, the real-life origin and basis for Hakurei Shrine, "Joumine Shrine", from ZUN's hometown Hakuba, has Shirayama Hime alongside other deities enshrined there (source: https://w.atwiki.jp/th_seiti/pages/53.html).). Kukurihime, or Kikurihime, was also in HRtP, as "Kikuri". This could mean Kikuri is in fact a deity at Hakurei Shrine, if not even the Hakurei God herself. Though, it isn't explained how Kikuri can communicate with Reimu when she resides in Hell and why would she fight Reimu in the first place. Possibly a spiritual self of Kikuri has been enshrined to Hakurei Shrine, while the physical self resides in Hell. It would explain why Reimu can't communicate directly with Kikuri, nor know her true identity, as Reimu hasn't seen her in person. Maybe Reimu mistook Kikuri as an enemy in Hell and fought her.
Kikurihime appeared only once in the whole Japanese mythology, in the myth of Yomi, where when Izanagi was exiting Yomi, Kikurihime said something to him, but Kikuri's words weren't recorded (or they were erased). Touhou's Kikuri residing in Hell and being a gatekeeper between the land of dead and the land of living would make sense, but Hell isn't similar to Yomi. While a punishing and torturing Hell concept was introduced through Buddhism, Japanese Yomi was just the land of dead. Maybe ZUN made a compromise between a Japanese afterlife and Buddhist Hell, to create a fitting scenario, including a fight with Kikuri. HRtP was originally ZUN's test project, so his world building was loose and infinitive to create a ground for later works

>no christianity in touhou.
Anons, there are a lot of references to the hebrew religions in the pc-98 games. just look at Sariel!
We also have things like Mai's theme (Treacherous Maiden ~ Judas Kiss). The PC-98 games make many references to Shin Megami Tensei.
In the Windows era there are almost no references. But Seiga and Rumia seem to have a vague idea on the subject.
I still don't see a problem with ZUN placing a Christian character. It's not as if Buddhism and Taoism don't have things in which they contradict each other and that's not why they can't enter Gensokyo. It's just that ZUN might be afraid of ending up offending someone or something. And I'm not saying this for Christians but for Western atheists who get mad when they see something Christian, but they don't say anything if it's from Nordic or Greek mythology, to give an example.

>>43462578
Its like when ZUN didn't made Okina uncapacited

>>43462600
Yes, exactly!
although later it seems that he changed his mind. although I am not entirely sure since we have only seen her in a wheelchair in two mangas.

by the way guys. The other time I saw a ZUN interview where he mentioned something related to what I said here: >>43462578
I'm going to copy and paste for yourselves to think:
*ZUN: Don't we assume that Japanese gods have both a good side and evil side to them (Nigimitama, Aramitama)? The evil side gives rise to curses, and the good side blessings. I think that's good. This way, no matter how the chips fall, there are always both evil gods and good gods. In monotheism, God is the Creator. He created everything, so he created the demons too, right? You have to think about stuff like that. So in that sense, it's hard to use Christianity or Islam. It's not just me, right? It's all games.
*Interviewer: We don't go around killing YHWH that often.
*ZUN: Pretty much only in Megaten. But it's not like you can beat up Christ or Muhammad either, right? You might as well have a fighting game with Christ vs. Muhammad. I'd like to see that. (Editor's Note: After this conversation, a game called "Fight of Gods" was released on Steam, and Son of God vs. Buddha became a reality. It disappeared a week later after complaints.)
And whenever two people hit each other YHWH comes down and soothes them, like "now now..." Don't you wanna see that?

>>43462693
I forgot to put the link of the interview:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Introduction_of_Previous_Works/Mountain_of_Faith/Mountain_of_Faith_Interview_with_ZUN

>>43461193
>"when there are already fucking demons roaming nature and eating humans"
What Daemons dude?, there are only 1 confirmed Daemon in touhou (sariel), possibly 3 (shinki and Gengetsu)

>>43464152
Anon, what do you think the word Youkai means.

>>43464172
like other anon said before "youkai doesn't seem to map 1:1 to the concept of demons", this is the same problem of translation with the concept of "Kami=god" which in itself it isn't 100% accurate
>>43462693
"God is the Creator. He created everything, so he created the demons too, right?"
i know ZUN its not obligated to know, but there is no reason to get bogged down in this, God willed angels into existence for specific task, angels have perfect knowledge and the free will to chose or not to follow the task at hand, some don't, enter in a state of eternal rebellion, they are now Demons. there, from this point if you are a writer, you can work something up.

>>43461598
>"what would they think in a world where humans are clearly disposable, other than God is a joke?"
Anon, they were also disposable centuries ago in the outside world and what happen? some galilean dude came along and teach humanity that they were the stewars of nature, Gods greatest Creation, that the universe is knowledgeable and have sense and theleological purpose, so you can have science, to "not be afraid" (fear being the supposedly principal necessity of youkai) and literally conquered 3/4 of the world.

>>43464172
According to ZUN, Youkai means "others, who are not human": Q: What sort of Youkai is Meiling? ZUN: I believe... I had it written in PMiSS, "Youkai" simply means "other". If it's just "youkai", then there's no species, just think of it as "something that's not human". https://moriyashrine.org/forums/topic/1676-zuns-recent-high-school-interview/

>>43464438
When ZUN asserted that youkai was "others,something that's not human" Anon stood, brandished a chihuahua and shouted, “Behold—a youkai!”

>>43464568
Fantastic post. Thank you, anon.

>>43464568
And then a different Anon found a black guy!

>>43464568
It is understood that a youkai is everything that is not human or common animal. Youkai are not demons or fallen angels. a chupacabra is not a youkai either. therefore a youkai would mean "a Japanese creature that is not normal, or an unknown creature"

>>43464696
Kagerou, Shou, Nazrin, Tewi, and several others would like to have a word with you.

>>43464853
Why?

>>43464853
a youkai rabbit is not the same as a common rabbit. the same with the others. what about you? are you a troll or something?

So if a human was spirited away to gensokyo due to them being isolated, and yet they somehow make it to the hakurei shrine, would reimu be willing to take them back to the outside world?

>>43464340
I agree with you, but I was trying to paint >>43461193's argument in the most favourable way.

>>43465041
She does that regularly. Please read the print works.

>>43467090
How do you expect him to read print works when cutesokyofags don't read anything about the canon material at all?

>>43467099
What makes grimsokyofags superior?

>>43467099
>>43467115
Nothing, they just like to circlejerk about being edgy and cool.

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/love_and_peace#1

Byakuren's ideology, discuss!

>>43462578
you didn't even touch upon the most explicit reference
in PoDD, Ellen's win quote against Yumemi is literally "Are you Christian?"

>>43467127
We should simply take care of what is canon, and stop making random theories

>>43467180
And don't forget you fight Muge and Gengetsu in front of a latin cross either.
Zun was pretty all in for christian imagery before PCB.

>>43467158
Fanon bullshit, but it can't be denied that Byakuren is one of the closest Touhou has to a villain.

Allow me to expound:
- Sealed away for crimes against humanity, murder and deception
- Ominous boss theme
- Has Murasa land the Palanquin Ship because she senses Miko stirring, which stands in direct opposition to Gensokyo's very purpose as a place for legends to manifest
- Ignores her subordinates' harassment of humans while pretending to be human-friendly
- Refuses to address her own hypocrisy when it's brought up
- Needlessly prolongs the Occult Ball incident because she wants Myourenji to have the glory of "solving" it (which she still fails to do), despite Miko proffering a perfectly effective solution
- Her biker hag outfit leads young men astray and away from Nirvana

>>43467258
>land the Palanquin Ship
Land it on Miko's grave, that is, in hopes of preventing her resurrection, I should have said.

>>43467258
You got good points anon, but, Byakuren isn't used as a villain, he is a good material for a true villain, but, ZUN don't wants to make that reality

>>43467296
Naturally, but I'll never tire of reminding people how despicable of a person Byakuren is. "Youkai Jesus," my arse.

>>43467258
You are forgetting the forbidden one, anon.

>>43467320
Yeah "Youkai Jesus" is a meme

>>43467332
Make a list of her crimes

>>43467332
I'm not the only one.

>>43467347
Why ZUN hates PC98? Did he have a bad experience with it?

>>43467344
-Kidnaps a child (Marisa) and forces her into being her minion
-Threatans and tries to take over the world
-Kidnaps a different child (Alice) and forces her to be her maid
-Gets Yumemi to move the actual fucking moon to a geosynchronous orbit so she can bug Reimu more often
-Causes wanton destruction throughout the Makai expedition
-Has a bloody knife in HRtP so she probably killed someone with it
-Allowed Yuuka to mess up the shrine in LLS even though her apprentice went and fixed it for her
- Didn't appear again and broke my heart into pieces

>>43467258
add preying on the autistic with her cult bullshit to the list

>>43467368
In resume:

- Kidnapping
- Child slavement
- Attempted World Domination
- Murder
- Terrorism
- Destruction of Property
- Psychological abuse (the spoiled text)

Yeah, she is truly a villain, shame she hasn't come back
-

>>43467403
BRING BACK MY CARTOONISHLY EVIL SUPERVILLAIN MASTERMIND!

>>43467258
It's funny to see the contrast between her and Miko in Grimoire of Usami, with Byakuren going wild since she figures that Reimu will safeguard the audience, while Miko hypes herself up but deliberately uses Spell Cards that keep the audience's safety in mind.
Miko's kind of a cunt herself but she's much more honest about her selfishness.

>>43467424
Exactly, The Myouren Temple and the great mausoleum is literally opposite sides

I guess Futo found this thread.

>>43467483
Yes...

>>43467483
>>43467492
>>43467424
Speaking of Futo and Grimoire of Usami, I find it delightful that Futo's boat is an actual boat... that she takes some lucky brats, I mean, good kids for rides on. So jealous...!

>>43467424
Myoren temple is literally the epitome of "High and mighty even though they do all the things that they shouldn't" while I have no idea what the taoists do.

>>43467523
The Taoists keep to themselves (and hold supplicants to their own, extremely high standards), which is what Taoists are supposed to do. Ironically enough, they're playing it by the book.

>>43467365
They are his first works and have many references. so sometimes it seems more like a weird fanfiction. so it's not that he hates it, he just feels cringes about it. in the same way that we all feels cringe about things we did when we started on the internet.

>>43467099
>are these "cutesokyofags" in the room with us, anon?

>>43467090
I thought it wouldnt make sense because if a human is spirited away to gensokyo in order to become youkai food, then reimu taking them back to the outside world would deprive the youkai of their food, and reimu is clearly a sort of puppet of the youkai elites, so i assume she would not be allowed to do that

i feel like among the monotheist religions islam is the most likely one to be hostile toward youkai or gensokyo in general, it's a religion of violence and intolerance

>>43467819
Yet, she does that regularly and within that explicit scenario.

Once again, read the print works.

>>43467830
You can be on the side of animal protection and that's not why you're going to let a lion eat a person just because "if I take away the lion's food I'm hurting it"

total grimnigger death

>>43467767
Ah, good explanation, thank you anon

>>43468220
Grimsokyofags?

>>43464568
>>43464438
Youkai didn't mean?: "Everything that isn't human and also paranormal"?

How could i achieve total youkaigger death?

>>43469605
Are you Akyuu? Didn't Kanako cut off the electricity from your house?

>>43469644
No. Akyuu should be gassed alongside the youkai for cooperating with them. Hell, she isnt even a fellow pure-blooded human.

>>43469886
Anon, don't be foolish, didn't you forget the purpose of Gensokyo?
Gensokyo is a paradise, a haven for youkai, it exists for their sake, you might think it's oppressive for humans from an outside perspective but they don't really do it out of malice, they do it out of necessity
Just like humans butcher cows not because they're evil, but because they have to eat

>>43469605
>youkaigger
there is no youkaigger in Gensokyo. all the yokais are beautiful Euro-Asian women.
Why do you think Gensokyo is such a beautiful and magical place? If there were youkaigger in Gensokyo, the place would be like Haiti.

>>43469605
For what purpose? Without youkai Gensokyo would be just like the outs*de w*rld.

>>43467258
Which if her subordinates harassed people? The only one I can think of was Nue, but only Mamizou knows about that, and she isn't a Buddisht follower.

>>43469897
But youkai dont deserve to exist, these humans should be free and living in the outside world with the rest of us

>>43469917
Gensokyo is nothing but a hellish place, anon. All the youkai girls eat innocent humans, even those who tried to confess their love to them. Is that not niggerish enough?

>>43470566
>a hellish place
Only for outsiders, their virginity is in imminent danger
>even those who tried to confess their love to them
They don't care whether you confess or not, they will get a human husband regardless of his opinion
>>43470557
These humans are just fear-producing food, outsiders are considered the real shit to youkai

>>43470271
According to Marisa, the lot of them, and it happens notoriously.

And, I'll allow myself to quote directly Byakuren's response to this being pointed out. Ahem.
>Byakuren: ...Let's just never mind that.

>>43470566
In the outside world there are animals that eat humans too. Also, just think of all the people who die from diseases, health problems, crimes and traffic accidents.
I think the chances of dying in Gensokyo are the same as in the outside world. If you are someone who is strong like Marisa or if you are someone who is cautious, you can live a long and happy life in Gensokyo.

>>43470610
Im not gonna poison my bloodline with youkaigger genes. Total youkai death.

>>43451651
Nobody. Touhou in general has no stakes and leaves so many things up to interpretation or allows any sort of retcons that both Cutesokyo and Grimsokyo can be true. Whether one or the other will ever be considered canon depends entirely on how ZUN will feel, but he will probably leave it up to interpretation anyway just like he did for all those years.

is gensokyo a medieval world or even lower?

>>43476028
Gensokyo was only sealed 200 years ago, so between Japan's Maji restoration and its westernization/industrial revolution period.
So no, it is not medival at all.

>>43476028
The Kappa are pretty advanced, and former hell runs on fusion power. There's also a cableway at Youkai mountain iirc.

>>43476056
even 200 years ago is high. if we're going with big, easy numbers to round it to, we're much closer to 150

test

>>43481751
You failed

>>43467799
>Yes

>>43428023
Louchan1

>>43482155
There was a first?

>>43477371
Gensokyo was sealed away in 1889, No?

>>43484312
Around 84-86

>>43484312
1885 is the usually-accepted year, but notice how we're a lot closer to 2035 than we are to 2085

>>43481851
>>43482155
>>43482745
>>43484312
>>43485064
>>43485817
>>43485199 Grimsokyo thread

>>43485837
What year do you think the barrier was created then?

>>43485929
There is no barrier, it's just a lie to prevent villagers from fleeing.

>>43486242
villagers who go too far from the village get eaten

>>43447010
pls respond

>>43481751
test 2

>>43489099
Seems like a stretch but maybe he did take inspiration for the hats. Though the hats may be some obscure western thing considering the sister's design

>>43429366
Nue explicitly calls her humanoid form her "true form", there is zero ambiguity there.

>>43451651
>>43452270
Touhou is cute and grim, I don't see why so many people have a hard time understanding that a series can be both aesthetically cute while also exploring darker themes and having more grim undertones. If you want an "absolute" answer then I guess cutesokyo is closer to canon (as the cute elements are generally at the forefront and the series more or less lacks real stakes in most of its stories), but the issue with most cutesokyo interpretations is that they end up being shallow and the characters often end up feeling incredibly flanderized. Still, it's closer to canon than the grimdark stuff. Neither really does the series justice though, and a better answer is that both absolutes are incredibly reductive.

>>43460696
Mormons aren't Christian.

>>43499772
yeah

>>43459555
Could it be a mistranslation?

>>43499772
The problem here is that "grimfag" generally applies to the kind of emo edgy fanchild that wants to be seen as a "real" fan, despite having just made up a whole headcanon about a conspiratorial level of cooperation between akyuu Reimu and Yukari.
I mean, it's not as if they are all totally unaware of each other, but to call grimshit closer to canon is just retarded cope that they spout whenever they are asked what the fuck they are doing.
I don't *like* cutesokyo stuff, but to expand that to mean "Not grimsokyo" is inane. Very little actually counts as cutesokyo, it's basically the veneer marketable stuff like fumos and LW.
I think most people would agree that Gensokyo would be a terrible place to live if you were an outsider, but taking that to the extreme and painting the HV as a glorified cattle ranch is just dumb. It is in fact possible to have both light and dark themes in the same place, or even a light theme in a dark setting.
Who I call grimfags are the ones that just paint the whole canvas black so to speak, and lose their shit when someone else tries to put anything else there.

>>43501548
I feel that most of the grimsokyo appeal comes from this sense of insecurity. People who are insecure in their interest in Touhou and as such exaggerate or at least primarily focus on the darker subtext of the setting, namely to avoid being dismissed as entirely cutesy nonsense and entirely fluff.
>don't *like* cutesokyo stuff, but to expand that to mean "Not grimsokyo" is inane. Very little actually counts as cutesokyo, it's basically the veneer marketable stuff like fumos and LW.
That's far too narrow, cutesokyo obviously isn't just marketable plushies. Comedy fanworks and fluffy yuri romances also very obviously fall under cutesokyo for the most part.
>I think most people would agree that Gensokyo would be a terrible place to live if you were an outsider
On the contrary there are canonical statements describing outsides choosing to build a life for themselves in the HV. The "Gensokyo sucks" mentality is a very blatant push back against people who like the setting, and leans primarily on exaggerating the worst aspects of entering Gensokyo. Fact is that if you're not specifically being picked up by Yukari as food and you can make it to the Hakurei Shrine or the HV, you are safe. Human villagers are specifically off limits for predatory behavior. The whole "no human would ever want to go to and stay in Gensokyo" is blatantly untrue and itself usually comes across as grimsokyo wank.

>>43501548
>>43502092
Don't cry cutesokyo fanboy.
Just because you lack canon information to support your sugary worldview doesn't give you the right to attack others.

>>43502092
What is that comic implying?
Was she shlicking?

>>43502153
It's implying prostitution.
Also please watch it with those surprise boxes. I nearly fainted from the shock.

>>43502102
>If an outsider is fortunate and manages to find the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.
>However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo.
I'm quoting Perfect Memento in Strict Sense.

>>43502399
Ah, thank you for explaining.
Now, be afraid!

>>43502470
boo

>>43502102
>doesn't give you the right to attack others.
Says the fag who shitting up threads nonstop with exaggerated wanking

>>43502489
How scary.

>>43501511
I don't think so she definitely refers to the cherry trees at the shrine being red.

>>43502092
>The whole "no human would ever want to go to and stay in Gensokyo" is blatantly untrue and itself usually comes across as grimsokyo wank.
You misunderstand the sentiment. While life in the Human Village is indeed possible and perhaps idyllic to some degree (discounting the regular incidents, the very real danger of youkai, all the consequences of a rural life, etc.), the crux of the whole contention is that Gensokyo is a cattle pen for humans. The cattle is docile and happy for the most part, yes, but a modern human might want to:
- travel
- follow outside events (without years of delay for the news to filter through the Great Barrier)
- talk to distant relatives
- import or export goods or services
- expand habitation
- choose their own political leader
- marry the red-white shrine maiden
None of which are possible under Gensokyo's current power balance. Yes, if you'd be satisfied with a simple, sedentary, rural life, then Gensokyo may indeed appear a paradise.But once you're in, you're in. There's no opting out. No freedom. No choice. No escape.

THIS is why people say Gensokyo sucks for humans. It's a sheltered life, with all the pros and cons that come with it.

Remember that those y*ukai scum interferes with local politics so that no actual human leader would arise from the village and dismantle their open air supernatural prison
Human ARE cattle in Gensokyo and sure you can argue it's a "free-range" cattle, but it's still cattle nonetheless

This dude's existence (or lack thereof after what Reimu did to him) is the benchmark point of how the setting of Touhou be like for local human villager, not even for outsider

>>43506216
>travel
only some people can afford travelling, it's never safe and you are always under surveilance
>follow outside events
most of the news are propaganda, manipulative, or have no effect on your life (or some combination of those)
>talk to distant relatives
I'll give you the part about relatives, locals would already live with their extended families
>import or export goods or services
depends on the person
>expand habitation
not sure what you mean by this, is this about having more than one population center?
>choose their own political leader
is an illusion of choice realy any better than a lack of one?
>marry the red-white shrine maiden
still better chances than 0, unless you mean any miko would do, in which case there are 50000 shrines across Japan
As you can see, the majority of humanity even in modern cities cities lives perfectly fine without half of the things you've mentioned, including leaders, so this argument >>43506872 doesn't make sense.
I'm starting to think that grimfags just can't imagine living anywhere that isn't modern dystopia, so they concentrate on the aspects of Gensokyo that are closer to it.
tl;dr, the Outside World and Gensokyo have almost the same downsides and are not that different, but since the industrial revolusion was a mistake, Gensokyo is still better.

>>43507155
>modern cities cities lives perfectly fine without half of the things you've mentioned, including leaders
wut? mate, where you live don't have a mayor or something?
and let's be real, gensokyo is a pre-modern era society that village chief or shit would exist naturally, although akyuu's clan is already the de facto leader there

Talking about outside world and others, did the villager ever got any explanation/justification that their entire existence are being isolated from the rest of the world? Or are they just forced to cope with it after some border youkai walled the entire place with barrier?

>>43507246
I meant political and military leaders, like a president. I should have made that one a bit more clear.
Of course there is likely some administrative authority, like a mayor or magistrate, because the Human Village does look like a small medieval city, so it likely has one of those rather than an elder, and it probably would need some organisation like that to keep everyone well fed.
>>43507303
Well, PMiSS has the role of humans in Gensokyo explained, but I'm not sure if it's publicly available document, and even if it is then people are likely to skip parts that aren't about how to deal with youkai.

>>43507155
>only some people can afford travelling, it's never safe and you are always under surveilance
Yet you can do it in the Outside World.
>most of the news are propaganda, manipulative, or have no effect on your life (or some combination of those)
Yet you can follow them, if you so choose, in the Outside World.
>depends on the person
Anyone can do it in the Outside World. To degrees.
>not sure what you mean by this, is this about having more than one population center?
You can have as many as you like in the Outside World; in fact, land ownership has been one of the biggest shenanigan sources for humanity for centuries.
>is an illusion of choice realy any better than a lack of one?
You can have that illusion in the Outside World.
>still better chances than 0
No Reimu in the Outside World. :(
>I'm starting to think that grimfags just can't imagine living anywhere that isn't modern dystopia
I just acknowledged that you can live a certain lifestyle - preference of which is entirely up to the individual - in the post you quoted so captiously. I really did!

>>43507360
>I'm not sure if it's publicly available document
It is. However, as has been pointed out, the majority of humans living in Gensokyo are satisfied with the cattle lifestyle. There are a few outliers, such as the Fortune Tellers, but we all know how that story went.

In general, the people of Gensokyo don't mind. Which doesn't mind it's impossible to mind, especially for a liberally-minded person of the Outside. Hence the "dystopian" sentiment in regards to the Human Village.

I don't know if this has been asked but... how effective would modern weapons and artillery be against youkai?

>>43507367
Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understood from your two posts is that in the Outside World a person can choose not to be cattle, while in Gensokyo you can only be cattle.
What I proposed in my responce is that outside better communication technology, a person in either world would be cattle. Hell, now that I think about it, Village does have exterminators, does it? So, if you want more freedom in Gensokyo you can have it through training in spiritual and magical combat - Marisa is still alive and well, right? I can't imagine the same scenario for someone living in the Outside World.
>>43507429
I imagine youkai bodies still have some degree of physicality, so even if guns won't kill them they can be incapacitated if shot into mincemeat.

>>43507429
>how effective would modern weapons and artillery be against youkai?
Middling to completely ineffective, depending on caliber/yield. Youkai are highly resistant to physical damage, and while we don't know to what degree we do know that most can survive being torn apart so anything short of a high yield explosive likely won't do too much to them. You need to fight them via spiritual/magical means, and just dipping your bullets in holy water likely won't be enough.
That's, of course, not getting into the issue of the massive strength and speed advantage, where some youkai are faster than bullets or physically strong enough as to where most conventional weapons likely wouldn't even affect them.

>>43507747
What happens if you drop a Tsar bomb in Gensokto?

>>43507856
It would probably destroy Gensokyo and most everyone that isn't a fairy living in it. And then you'd probably go back to /k/ to stroke yourself off over the scenario playing out in your head.

>>43507856
Yukari gaps it out before it detonates and drops it on your house instead

>>43507879
Imagine Yukari doesn't know and it detonates

>>43507895
Then you get your guro scenario fulfilled and you can masturbate in peace. I hate these /k/ in fictional world hypothetical scenarios so much because the types of people that ask them are themselves generally nutcases that just escalate the question until they get the answer they initially wanted (which is appealing to their inflated egos and telling them that they could murder these fictional characters if they wanted to). It's just so fucking boring and so fucking predictable.
Could you kill a youkai with a nuke? Yes, absolutely. They're not immune to physical damage, if they were the source books would have mentioned it. Yukari herself was highly concerned with a similar explosive yield and surrendered rather than actually trying to counter it, and she's one of the strongest youkai around in regards to magical capabilities.
Could you kill a youkai with artillery? Yes if you could land a shot but given the fact that they're flying, nimble, and small targets that can and will engage in guerrilla warfare it would likely be ineffective.
Could you kill a youkai with a firearm? Depends on the caliber. Smaller arms are unlikely to be effective at all, a sniper to the head under ideal conditions with a clear shot on a target that is standing still in the open for some reason would probably kill all but the most robust youkai, assuming a similar anatomy to humans. Assuming is the key word here because again we aren't given enough information about youkai biology or limitations to really give a conclusive answer on what can or can't kill them. Given that Remilia's regeneration is specifically pointed out as being above average, and the stipulation attached to it is "as long as her head remains intact", we can assume that youkai can't regenerate from massive cranial trauma. Again, though, that's an assumption. Maybe other youkai don't have the restriction and their regeneration is just inferior in other ways. Maybe they can survive partial head damage so long as other major organs survive. Maybe they can survive partial head damage so long as a specific nucleus survives, Cell style. We just don't know.

>>43507982
yeah well what if I dropped Gensokyo into a black hole huh? could they survive that???

>>43508002
how do you know gensokyo isn't already in a black hole?

>>43508002
Your furry oc can anally vore gensokyo, sure.

>>43507429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SlWegS2sS0&t=2

>>43508083
Why is it that people can't accept fantasy monsters being able to regenerate from something like that, but when you put a western superhero through the same shit it's totally believable that they'd regenerate?
Because I'm pretty sure Deadpool has regenerated from ashes.

>>43507982
>. Given that Remilia's regeneration is specifically pointed out as being above average, and the stipulation attached to it is "as long as her head remains intact"

I thought it was "even if her head is destroyed", I remember some dialog about vampires not needing brains, i.e. the organ not wits.

>>43508129
PMiSS specifically states: "and they can recover within a single night even when their body is blown away, so long as their head is intact."
Granted, this is where another issue comes in. PMiSS is authored in-universe by someone that isn't omniscient, and as such there are mistakes intentionally put into the book from place to place. So maybe she doesn't even need a head to regenerate from and the statement is just hearsay. The issue going there though is that suddenly we have to accept that none of the canon durability feats are actually accurate, which makes the whole discussion even less meaningful.

What happened to the most beautiful honest man in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise?

>>43507551
>Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I understood from your two posts is that in the Outside World a person can choose not to be cattle, while in Gensokyo you can only be cattle.
The cattle thing is just shorthand, geez. The point is you can do a lot of things in the Outside World that a modern person takes for granted that are impossible - and not for any natural reason - in Gensokyo. You need to stop getting hung up on words.

Whether you consider yourself cattle, either in the Outside World or Gensokyo, is up to you and your personal outlook on life. That's completely subjective. I'm talking about realities here. Well, realities within the bounds of this fictional setting, anyway.

How much do villagers in the human village know about all of the phenomena of Gods and Youkai and what do they believe? I'm not too familiar with that part of the 2hu setting, so as a writefag I don't know the intersection of knowledge that a villager like (You) would know about.

>>43511787
Read Forbidden Scrollery, it gives a pretty good overview on the human villager perspective.

Economy in Gensokyo is probably a mess.
We see both Tokugawa coinage and paper yen being used, most youkai don't care about money so 90% of all trade happens only between humans (with 9,9% of the rest probably being kappa trade).
Another thing, I wish I knew more about late Edo and Bakumatsu to say about the social structure in the Human Village, anyone can give a quick rundown on life back then?

>>43515130
>most youkai don't care about money
There are a bunch of youkai who operate businesses and presumably take monetary compensation. Mystia, the tsuchigumo and tengu just off the top of my head. Kappa regularly sell shit at festivals, as seen in the manga many times. Even fairies get in on that stuff.

Youkai do care for money. If only because they get off on imitating humanity.

>>43451651
Grimcuteyo

>>43508430
She became a puppet, or rather, a doll (Hence, "I stopped being human") for Gensokyo's youkai, with whom she made a deal for killing rest of the honest ones in order to survive in the fake paradise. She carried out murders in the Western-styled mansion, from where she escaped in the end of the story

Will Marisa's father ever appear in a manga?

>>43506216
>- marry the red-white shrine maiden
That last one isn't due to any restrictions the youkai set, anon. That's only impossible because she finds you repulsive.

>>43520969
>she finds you repulsive
And there are few things on this dun Earth that make me harder than that.

>>43515130
>most youkai don't care about money
one of the newhus run a gamblin den in youkai mountain (heck the entire th18 and 18.5 is about money) so for at very least add tengu in said list

Why did Eirin killed her fellow lunarian?

>>43467368
Hey, the first kid just... fell off of a truck. No kidnapping involved. And even if it was there, the kid was cool with it

>>43528599
She didn't?
Moon rabbits are not considered Lunarians, just slave golems to be used as dispensable tools. They are what she massacred during the Kaguya capture mission.
Eirin may have killed Kaguya's adopted parents though.

Could you tell me more about the powders in front of Reimu, wooden plaques a bit to the right, and possible contents of gourds to the far right of her?
There's also some paper figures here - did she ever use shikigami?

>>43532843
I don't think those are powders. Maybe fragant wood/herbs that gets burned as incense? Gourd could be some kind of holy water,

>>43532843
The green one heals you a bit, the red one does nothing alone but mixing it with the green one creates the brown one that completely heals you.

>>43482155

On the topic of Louchan2. I doupt she's actually swedish despite the fact that her old youtube profile states it.

The Swedish touhou community is unusually well organised and has regulary been hosting meetups as well as visiting major conventions for more than 10 years at this point, despite this, nobody in the community actually knows who she is.

>>43551411
What if shes just super shy and autistic? Doesnt want to attend cons like that