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yosh new thread

yoooo 10/10 op!

ye this is the thread

>>42814563
I fucking love Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko!!!!!

Non vbijin emmersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJK6QSwk_Pw

Why are you learning Japanese?

Why would a male say 濡れちまった in regards to sex? Is it just shitty male anatomy or is it some colloquial way of saying turned on?

>>42814563
After more than 5years of living in Japan I’ve received a passport & citizenship for Ypony^
>There is no Minecraft “clone” worth playing
(Both terraria and yni^ were earlier in creation than Infiniminer-“clone”(cave game)
IT’S OVER: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2278390/yni/
Have you played the Grand Strategy MMO GOTY2023# yet?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pnDoOQ7peCE
yay
^ Berry privileged
I have studyed Academic drawing at home since 2015 but stopped right after perfecting geometrical yays and colors so that I will not get castellated into real less astral things
So I’ve returned 2 my personal fairy art style since2001beyond time all rights yayed -> find more on frufi.DeviantArt.com
yy
...^

>>42814563
100000/10 op!
>>42814600
same!
>>42814621
i love japanese anime!

mikos birthdays going to be so good bros!

>>42814621
Fat obaasans

>>42814644
yoooooooo!
https://streamable.com/2kbnwq

>>42814656
Poor doggo.

Vbijin emmersion
https://www.youtube.com/live/Lwn5h4evXBE?feature=share

>>42814621
https://youtu.be/lra5Re_T_lI

>>42814656
>>42814644
she looks so weird without her ears...

blatant samefagging in this thread
kill yourself

>>42814710
She has ears. You can see them for a couple frames.

>>42814720
not the ones for petting!

>>42814621

>>42814765
Japanese sheep look like THAT?!

>>42814704
based risu

Posting in the real thread.

>>42814631
not a happening

>>42814621

>>42814621
>blacks can't read cursive
>I can't read handwritten Japanese
At best I'll be the Japanese equivalent of a nigger.

本当に?

>>42814881
Just learn it, bro.
If anything it's easier than cursive and grass are easier than mincho or square.

Da Godfather
@TheMadd86crew
Dame they gave my aunt 3 years to live

>>42814644
>>42814656
Sauce? Is there a Korone anime?

>>42814925
She had a cameo in Yokai Watch yesterday.

>>42814621

>>42814953
giwtwm

>>42814953
Source?

>>42815066
futoku no guild, very cute and funny show big recommend

i wonder if i can make it as a 種付おじさん when i get older and come to japan

>>42814621

>>42815088
How hard could it be?

yooooo
https://www.youtube.com/live/GUSENp1-ac8?feature=share

god damn i love bitches
especially when they only suck dick and wash dishes

>>42815222
damn i miss ないすばでー posting

man this shit is so good

>>42815285
autistic manchild moment

>>42815289
do you know where we are and have you watched anime within the past month?

>miss a single word in my immersion
>immediately think im a dekinai and that i will never improve and i sholuld just quit
im close to 1.5 years learning japanese and this wont go away

>>42815326
anime is high art

>>42815358
>1.5 years
qm knew 20k words and was fluent by then

>>42815384
i only know 4k words...
its over
ill kill myself. what do i put on the suicide note

doth and jazzy are such gods, and neither even like japan

サマータイムレンダみてた

くらいよーくらいよー

このあと進撃の巨人みるつもりだったけど

たぶんもっと暗いから

明るいアニメをサンドウィッチしたほうが

精神衛生がいいきがする

明るいアニメといえばどれですか？

>>42815180
nice

>>42815415
yo i literally dont know what ur saying but maybe you"d like death note? its about 2 gay lovers

>>42815415
>>42815078

im better than them

>>42815384
based queef

>>42815546
im better than you

>>42815561
not even kanken guy is better than me

>>42814735
does she still do chats with okayu? i really like their cute talks together but it's all from like a year ago that i'm getting recommended

>>42815392
あっらふあくばる

marine is streaming

>>42815600
>not even kanken guy
the fact that you mention him means you suck

>>42815775
that fact that you seethe means youre n6 garbage

>>42815785
bro youre the one seething
currently the r1グランプリ is playing on the tv and im chilling on the sofa

>>42815804
ok keep sucking on the sofa like the cocksucker you are

Any thoughts or recommendations about my reading list? It should be getting slightly more difficult everytime I advance to the next manga.
I'm currently reading volume 9 of Flying Witch.

Apparently the という here is used to "emphasize an idea". Is this standard grammar because the only thing i can found in grammar resources about という at the end of sentence is about "hearsay". Which is clearly not the case here since the professor is talking about a device he made himself.

>>42815874
と is a quoting particle
という comes from と言う
so the previous information is being figuratively quoted, and often this is from an unspecific source (ergo hearsay). although this becomes kinda wishy washy sometimes

i guess in this case it's like he's quoting from the manual?
like "it's the case that x"

holy moly i never realized or noticed that 溺愛 is just drowning in love

PLEASE learn english. "Sucking on a sofa" isnt a thing

>finally done binge rading 40k the end and the death
>now i can japanese again
feels good man

how to read 昨今?
Is it also a name?

>>42815819
ive licked female nipples on this sofa never penis though

>>42816011
Are you watching marine? Can almost see her nips thru that sukesuke top of hers

>>42816014
nah i dont watch vtubers and i look down on the people who do

>>42816017
They have a lot of good times together but thats what I say to people too during shit like the Rushia incident kek

>>42815912
Here's more context. I assume in this case it's just wishy washiness then.

anon cant read 為朝

I don't know you, but from my experience my biggest problem with learning Japanese was simply motivation. If you've been here for 5 years and haven't improved much, you have to ask yourself: why not?

When I was studying Japanese in my home country, I had no problem doing extra work above and beyond what was in my classes because I was really keen. By the time I got to Japan (a few years after finishing uni) and had spent a bit of time working for a Japanese employer, I got pretty burned out. I just didn't care about learning more; of course I thought it would be *nice* to know more Japanese so I could have more conversations/get around easier, but I could only occasionally work up the motivation to actually do anything to study. Part of this was being busy with work and having a mostly foreign friend circle/foreign girlfriend. Part of it was being pretty disillusioned by how I was treated by my employer, and knowing I was leaving Japan in a couple years with no plans to come back. When I left I was probably a mediocre N4 in JLPT terms, which wasn't much better than when I'd arrived.

I spent the next 8 years back in my country. I continued to be nagged by the thought that I *ought* to get back into learning Japanese, because it was previously something I'd really enjoyed and been good at. I use the GTD system and even had a "study" section in my weekly reviews for that period, and I just left it blank week after week, month after month, year after year. Seriously.

My sister is living in Japan with her family and I finally went back to visit last year. I wound up getting covid on the plane and spent most of the time in iso. I got three and a half days on my own not in a foreigner bubble. That was actually all it took to find the motivation to study Japanese again. I guess I didn't have far to fall but despite a lack of use it didn't feel like my Japanese had deteriorated that much, but I felt a keen desire to be better so that I could have more interesting conversations, do more things, etc. I remembered how much I liked the on-the-fly creativity that speaking a foreign lagnauge entails, and how genuinely cool it is to have little random interactions with people out in the inaka who don't speak English. (There's a bit more to it than just these, but it's kind of hard to articulate.) At any rate, somehow that three and a half days had gotten me back in touch with the "why" of studying Japanese for me, and I haven't had any problems with motivation since.

I had wanted to come back for more visits (still do), but also now have some professional goals that include coming back to Japan to work for a couple years. When I got back to my own country, I set a goal to pass N3, which was something I had meant to do my first time in Japan (even registered for it at one point) but never really got very close. I decided I'd do a mock N5 exam after a few months study just as a warmup, then N4 a few months after that. I knew I could pass the N5 without studying and possibly the same with N4, but wanted to go back and fill in any gaps, and they served as good waypoints to help keep me motivated and on track.

I surprised myself at how easily I got back into a daily Anki habit, and smashed the N5 and then N4 (the latter was definitely helped by some study) and am about halfway through my N3 study, well on track to pass by my goal of midyear. I'm going to re-evaluate at that point and see if N2 by the end of the year is doable (I'm moving and starting a new job around the same time, so need to see if it's reasonable or if I should push it back to mid next year).

i dont know about you but i dont read these posts

戦争は許せない

>>42816171

>>42816171
lmao

lol

>>42817237
you know you havent made it yet when your posting screenshots of something a japanese person would not care or think about twice upon seeing.....

>been consuming Japanese media since 2017
>finally decide to learn the language
>everything feels like it just makes sense in my head

Anyone know what I mean?

>>42817390
I'm of the variety that says forget the other languages, how about we only do Japanese?

Man, finding cool Japanese fonts online is the worst because they're not free most of the time and it's really hard to find them for free. I've been able to get a few thanks to sites like archive org but I can't for the life of me find RoTB古印体Std

>>42817471
https://www.flopdesign.com/freefont.html
Flopdesign is best
I recommend 源界明朝 and 装甲明朝.

>>42817390
literally the opposite for me, the more I consume in the language the less sense it makes for me
sometime I read some benign sentences like >今が駄目でないかは、この際考えない方向で。 I have to reread 3 times to make sense of
I guess before I just skipped sentences when I managed to get the gist of it and now I try to fully understand everything and it give me headaches

why do unity games render chinese characters instead of japanese ones even on japanese locale

china n°1

>>42817951
does this happen in every unity game?

afaik, in unity, there are no default fallback fonts for CJK characters. if you type japanese text into a vanilla textmesh component, it gets rendered as squares until you import a font and make the textmesh use it. the dev probably imported a chinese font or used something off of the asset store that uses a chinese font by default.

>>42817951
>>42818102
you can probably find out exactly what fonts are packaged with the game using a tool like UABE

I can't read katakana but I know アニメ just because I've seen it so many times

>>42818102
this happens in doki doki literature club plus, idk about other games

and there has to be a japanese font in the game since it displays correctly in walkthroughs on youtube

is he right?

i still pronounce sage like the wizard word instead of 下げ

>>42818211
>>42818152
there is CJKjp

>>42818284
passed n1, read everyday for 3 years and I only (re)learned recently of the difference between そう (it seems ) and そう (I heard) by reading some jlpt 4 grammar lesson after getting into outputting and realizing I couldn't write a single sentence for the life of me
your brain magically picking everything up without trying is a meme

>>42818344
i think the only thing that could work is to install windows with a japanese iso or something but there is no way im doing that just for one game

>>42818390
almost the same exact situation here. going through all grammar from n5 to n1 now, it has improved my output immensely. its also making me a lot more confident in my understanding of things. grammar study is a must.

yooooo
https://www.youtube.com/live/MGqrsN-kbLw?feature=share

>output
useless

After I learned that パソコン = Personal computer I haven't been the same

2時間来た来た
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pwpB0tfcO5A

今日の曲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zV8C5ZBdp0

can someone recommend bangers like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l1SJqsG5W0 but in japanese?

>>42818462
Nice. Can't wait for Fes.

>>42814621
I just want to come home to this everyday...

>>42818511
wait until you find out what PC means.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtTYQuO1j6w
banger

>女教師

How am I supposed to know if I should read it at as おんなきょし or じょきょし
They tell both are correct but I'm sure one of them is more natural

>>42818878
you don't need to know japanese for that
literally know people who live in japan and they say knowing the language is useless

>>42819079
it's おんなきょうし

>>42819079
just hear similar words and you will know. for example, 女幹部.

>>42819079
it's probably not both, i never heard the jo variant on your word or words like 女騎士. it was always on'na

>>42819093
>live in japan and don't know japanese
Do you want to be treated as a filthy gaijin?

JLPT Chads...I kneel...

>>42819079
>They tell both are correct but I'm sure one of them is more natural
THEN USE THE ONE THAT FEELS MOST NATURAL HOLY SHIT ARE YOU STUPID

>>42819365
thats a really stupid post how would he know if he did he wouldnt have asked lol

>>42819402
by watching more jav instead of asking here

So I was watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEQbULTstA
and checked out the comments... I could actually understand the one from the author!

>>42819402
>How am I supposed to know what feels natural???
Seriously just leave your basement. Use what the fuck ever until you learn better. I swear this thread is full of autistic G*rmans who refuse to ever get anything wrong.

>>42819412
This but reading doujinshi

>>42819457
lol ydkj

I actually went straight from hiragana to kanji without learning katakana.

>>42819504
I live in a country with enough immigrants to know that giving a fuck about speaking a second language perfectly is retarded. So long as you can be understood and are polite nobody cares.

Hello fellow kids, there is some dev on ci-en that I really liked his work but could use some pointers on where to improve, my nihongo is still not that great, so please help me to see if this message makes enough sense to send to him.

>私の日本語が下手なので、以下はグーグル翻訳です。

>私はあなたのゲームを楽しんだし、娘のアートと特にいくつかの文章が好きだった. 引き続き頑張っていただきたいと思いますが、ゲームに欠けていると思うのは、より変態的なシナリオにつながるルートです。 もっと欲しい気持ち。 また、余分な衣服は素晴らしいですが、それらのための特定のシナリオが欠けています. すべてをまとめて、魅力的な方法ですべてをまとめるストーリーラインを作成し、いくつかの激しいシーンで最高潮に達すると、素晴らしいゲームができます.

>お疲れ様でした、頑張ってください。

Any suggestions on how to improve or better convey the message?

>>42819579
https://www.deepl.com/translator

How do I stop myself from forgetting a word the moment after I've looked them up

>>42819612
Write a sentence with it
By hand

>>42819566
>I live in a country with enough immigrants
me too. my condolences.

>>42819612
reroll with truck kun until you're born with a high iq

>>42819612
by encountering it two more times, works every time

>>42819579
some things to note:

>アート
>絵柄
maybe should be more appropriate to depict art style

One phrase that really didn't seem to convey it properly is:
>I would very much hope that you keep working on it, however, something I think is missing from the game, are the routes leading to more perverted scenarios, like for example, the scene where she walks into the men's public bath, really left a feeling of desiring more.
>引き続き頑張っていただきたいと思いますが、ゲームに欠けていると思うのは、より変態的なシナリオにつながるルートです。 もっと欲しい気持ち。

does watching vtubers count as immersion? it seems too easy

>>42819566
thanks for your input muhammad it just happens to entirely miss the point lol

>>42815737
she does! they just did 2 really comfy kirby streams and also smok minecraft!
>>42815762
picked up!
>>42815838
https://mangareader.to/read/steel-ball-run-colored-edition-2/ja/volume-1 great read, also the holox manga on shonnen plus
>>42817390
yeah! sometimes i forget things are in japanese
>>42818462
picked up!
>>42818462 >>42818622 >>42818943
kamikyokus
>>42819455
same same, love delu
>>42819612
vbijin! just listen more, once i can remember hearing a sentence using a word i seem to never forget it

gooood morning guys! today too its japanese study time!
nier and trigun today! korone mario 64! mikos live too! such a great immersion day!

>>42819795
Mostly, you can only reply in text and still do things in eigo while watching them

>>42819795
true!

>>42819579
>>42819591
Ok, passed it through deepl and switched some things around, very cool, feature

>私の日本語はあまり上手ではないので、以下はグーグル翻訳です、お許しください。

>私は貴社のゲームを楽しみました、そして私は女の画風と特にいくつかの文章が好きでした。しかし、このゲームに欠けていると思うのは、より変態的なシナリオにつながるルートです。例えば、彼女が男の銭湯に入るシーンは、本当にもっと欲しくなるような感覚を残してくれました。また、服の追加もいいのですが、具体的なシナリオがないのが物足りないです。それをまとめて、魅力的なストーリーを作って、強烈なシーンで盛り上げると、いいゲームになると思います。

>本当にお疲れ様でした、頑張ってください。

she's so bad at mario64..

>>42819825
Is there any game she's good at

>>42814621
Because I'm not pacient enough to wait for tls

>>42819834
fireworks one

>>42819795
vtubers have built in difficulty settings
実況 for easy + collabs for harder
gimmick conversational streams (like the themed interviews and and quizzes and stuff they do) for medium + collabs for harder
雑談 for hard
but even the zatsudans are easy compared to audiobooks or even anime without subs, depending on the series
also reading chat while listening to everything they're saying effortlessly is what a native can do, so that's another thing you can do if you find yourself unchallenged

>>42819843
>>42819807
Best EMT

>audiobooks
n6

>>42819915
The real trick is to also study their music

byebye

alright lets study some FUCKING grammar. kanpai bitches.

marenoob still """studying""" n10 dojg grammar after 2 years of japanese is the most fucking pathetic thing ever lmao

>>42820114
>marenoob
who?

>>42820120
the biggest noob of them all

>>42820120
希noob cause retardation of that level is rare lmfao

>>42820132
kanpai bitches lmfaooooo

>>42819625
This is actually not a bad idea

>>42820175
なめします?なめします?

what do you watch on fc2
i need something for when im getting bored of 朗読

I finished all the main girls' routes. After Koharu/Roka I think it's time for a short break from this genre, maybe until 天使騒々REBOOT

>>42820318
i want to fuck hoshino

https://youtu.be/cIoCfKUe_-o

So, this video is cap af right?

>>42820488
no? but saying there's no い in 規則 is linguistic pedantry bordering on retardation. he's also wrong on the えい in verbs thing, because 永遠 is a word too.

>>42820368
I like when she pees herself

>>42820500
永遠 is not a verb

>>42820500
there literally isn't an い in 規則 because its sound in the word is preceded by a consonant and there are no standalone consonants besides ん in japanese. the rule is simply that the combination of characters えい is pronounced as a long え, and this is unambiguous. the pronounciation of きそく doesn't have anything to do with え and い

>>42814621

>>42820488
this isn't english

I just want to drop anki and switch to reading vns full time

>>42820617
then do it

i wanna man

>>42820617
don't do it

>>42820551
yes that's why dogen is wrong about えい being ええ outside of verbs. many natives pronounce the い https://forvo.com/word/%E6%B0%B8%E9%81%A0/#ja

>>42820554
yes they are two different points, hence the "also" in my post. you can't make a standalone "k" sound. if you try to say "cry" out loud slowly, you will notice you are actually saying くらい. the "k" is always "accented" by some sort of vowel, and in the case of 規則 it's い. you can hear it here https://forvo.com/word/%E8%A6%8F%E5%89%87/#ja
whether or not that counts as a full い or whatever is just linguistic circlejerking.

>>42820500

>>42820032
here we go!

dogen is still in dunning kreuger phase cut him some slack

>>42819825
>>42819843
>>42820032
コロネがSM64プレイした？
それは面白そう

>>42814621
To read and translate Chiyomaru's manga.

>>42820700
>yes they are two different points, hence the "also" in my post.
my first two sentences were about there being no い in 規則, but my third sentence was regarding a separate point
>whether or not that counts as a full い or whatever is just linguistic circlejerking.
you're talking about mapping sounds back to strings of kana. that is not unambiguous, but it doesn't have anything to do with going from strings of kana to sounds (pronunciation in japanese), an unambiguous process. there is no い in 規則 because the kana representation for the word 規則 is きそく, and the character い does not appear in the string. that's it. no other factor is relevant, and further considerations are unnecessary.
in particular, identifying a kana character "inside" another, such as by taking the sound of き and identifying a part of that sound as being the sound of い, is not part of the process
if i had to guess, i'd say the confusion stems from the fact that people often lazily say that a word has "an い in it" to mean both "an い sound in its pronunciation" and "the kana character for い in its kana representation," but these interpretations are easily confused in these contexts

love talking to qt japanese girl over voice simple as

Someone smarter than me help with this. Source is doujin I'm translating

はっや笑舞華ちゃんの体雑魚いね~

体雑魚? My google and yomichan can't figure it out

>>42814621
To play the untranslated shin megami tensei games and misc old school VNs that haven't been translated on consoles. I've always wanted to learn nihongo due to me being a weeb but these games have made me go all in.

>>42815088
if i'm lucky i can get disability in america and then NEET in a tiny japanese apartment one day

>>42814563
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「な、なんでもないよ。
下駄箱に何か入れようなんて……してないよ？」

You ARE using rare pronouns to refer to yourself right anon? You're not a watashi/ore/bokufag are you?

>>42821053
You're dumb and that's not what dogen is saying.
He's saying there's no i sound in 規則 which is wrong. Nothing about kana

>>42821123
no i dont know any rare pronouns

吾輩はゲイである

my current progress this year in anki
i'm new learning Japanese
25 new cards daily

>>42821124
i didn't reply to the post with the dogen link and i'm neither paraphrasing dogen nor commenting on what he said. i didn't watch the whole video because i'm disinterested in its contents and my posts are only about what >>42820500 said.
but you know what's pedantry bordering on retardation? your post

>>42821164
dame ore used to be 2nd person? thats wild

>>42814644

reminder that dogen was ripped and was doing backflips and shit in the park

>>42821164
Where would せっしゃ be

>>42821198
and now he looks like fuckin gollum and does cringe videos on the internet
ageing is hell

>>42821210
feeling uneasy?

>>42821186
apparently there's some disagreement among scholars if it's the same ore, or if they were two different words that just happened to sound the same. 爾, 俺, 己 are involved somehow..

>>42821204
not in this book, it's pretty short and focuses on the main ones

What does Tim-Tim reference here?
The context is that Chihaya sees 「男の人の真ん中にぶら下がってるの、なーんだ？」this puzzle on tv that implies dick and comes to the conclusion it is necktie and asks mc to solve it; to prove her superior intellect, this being the mcs response.
I would assume Tim-Tim here as pee-pee but he just says it so calmly and without any fluster that it just doesn't make any sense.

>>42821210
do ママ活 while you still can bros

more like while they are still alive

>>42821154
>吾輩
なむちは横柄な人だ

last time i spoke in kogo or should i say KOugo everyone here got filtered

tiny tim

hi my name is tim and i have a vocabulary that rivals a japanese newborn

>>42821283
ちんちん

yea thats waht she said

>>42821370
>>42821373
https://vocaroo.com/1itHXNI7SrLT

Hey, I know this is a very shit kind of question but, if I started learning japanese right now and took it quite seriously, how long would it be until I could semi-reliably read and type out stuff?
My english is mostly self taught from trying to play online games as a kid and using a lot of google translate so I've already learned a second language, but I have no idea what that'd be like now that I'm much older, I just want to temper my expectations.
Thanks.

>>42821437
ngmi namesimasu

>>42821283
あらあら、或る人は「日本語１０１」にFilthy Frankを見なかっただ。

>>42821444
Not helpful

>>42821437
It takes 5 years+ to reach n4 level

>>42821444
Very helpful, retards could never fathom your wisdom.

>>42821444
yep unfathomably based

>内国勧業博覧会とは、明治になってから五回にわたって開かれた日本の「万博」だ。

What exactly is わたって doing here?

>>42821486
Yeah ok I see that this general is just a shithole, forget I asked.
/ic/ is more helpful than this.

>>42821506
?

>>42821506
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13182296418

>>42821437
It depends a lot, if you study grammar every day, learn vocabulary every day, dive in and read VERY children's stuff, or manga like Yotsuba, it takes you 5/6 months to read it more or less well, and from there you will advance.
You will never read something from the beginning and do it well, it is not a nice experience and it will frustrate you, that's why you have to put a lot of effort and don't get discouraged if you see a lot of kanji and you don't understand shit.
Do the basics, learn vocab, read a guide and advance, do anki and all that.
Once you have a good base of words, start with something very simple, like children's manga, or TODAI news.
It's not an easy path, but you can do it, I'm proof of that.
I started in 2019 without knowing a single kanji and now I'm N2 and I can read things pretty well, although I always come across new kanji.
If i can, you can, i'm literally a retard.

>>42821521
this, anon? not, well,

>>42821517
Thanks I need to check for expressions more.

>>42821517
>17-42-48
>20:41:08

>>42821535
Are you confused by time zones?

>>42821506
yep this guy needs 新完全マスター

ESL here; what does this mean?

>>42821547
are you confused over what was implied?

>>42821557
この仕事は遊びのつもりです。

>>42821557
A "pasttime" is something you do for fun to pass the time. Pretty much the same thing as a hobby.

>>42821558
It's either that, or he's autistic about the filename using dashes instead of colons.

>>42821581
next time say "yes"

>開国以来、日本は西洋列強と肩を並べようとその文化や技術を吸収し、着々と一等国たりうる力をつけつつあった。

wtf is たりうる this book is making me lose my fucking 脳

>>42821570
So what does that mean in this sentence?

Is there a good rule of thumb to know the difference between "X day of the month" and "X days"? Does it have to do with a particle? Like saying
>"The package will arrive on the 8th"
vs
>"The package will arrive in 8 days"

>>42821612
"I took this job for fun" basically

>>42821618
Thank you kind anon.

Fuck this shit language, accidentally click your teeth, you just insulted someone, acciDENTALly click your teeth at the end of a sentence, you just completely changed the meaning. FUCK THIS SHIT.

>>42821666
>Fuck this shit language, accidentally release a bit of air at the end of any random noun, you just completely changed the meaning of your sentence. FUCK THIS SHIT.

>>42821597
The word たりうる is a combination of the verb stem たり and the auxiliary verb うる. The verb stem たり indicates that there are various possibilities or examples, and the auxiliary verb うる indicates that something is possible or can be done. Therefore, たりうる means "able to do various things" or "possible to be in a certain state."

In the context of the sentence you provided, たりうる is used to describe Japan's growing strength and potential to become a leading nation. It means "able to become a first-class country," "able to reach the level of a leading nation," or "having the potential to be a powerful nation."

>>42821666
how the fuck you click your teeth?

black people do it

>>42821680
thank you anon, gmi to you

>>42821521
Thanks for the context, I just want to have some reasonable expectations of learning the language so that I can tell if I'm progressing well or if I should just bite the bullet and take some japanese classes instead, is all.
Wow N2 seems really impressive from what little I've googled, that's the minimum understanding that japanese companies require for you to work there isn't it? Good on you dude. I'll try not to get discouraged or anything, thank you very much!

>>42821682
I meant saying *tsk* or *tte*

reminder that there are like 10 people max left here and virtually no newfags arrive. beware of who you help as there is an extremely high chance it's the mentally ill samefagging spammer stealthily trying to trick you into helping him
in this case you can easily verify its him cause some of his replies got caught in the filter

>>42821700
you're drunk

the rtk
based
only advice you need

I feel like this language was specifically made to gatekeep people

>>42821727
そんなことないよ

>>42821716
I'm a newfag actually, my first impression aside from that one guy who bothered to help isn't good

>>42821696
Language classes in general are only really useful when you are at an advanced level and want to improve your writing skills or grammar.
By the time American kids take English classes in school, they already have a lot of vocab and can have basic conversations. The best way to get your language skill up to the point where any of that matters is through input.

>>42821738
oh no

does 間 really refer to space-time hundreds of years before Einstein's theory?

>>42821727
that's japan's entire society

I’m also a newfag. I’m just a bit too drunk to do this focking captcha shit and post more than once per one or two fuckin minutes what the fuck I hate this websti

>>42821738
even if you are its not going to change the statistics here. on the bright side the thread has been ruined and the knowledgeable posters scattered and driven out to the point that nothing useful will ever come from this
>>42821514
>shithole
ever again, so you're not losing out on anything

>>42821756
>"what is an interval?"

>>42821743
Input meaning what exactly?
I've taken english classes but only after already learning english so I'm not sure how good taking classes to learn a language is to be honest but at least it'd be straightforward compared to learning by myself.

>>42821762
Bummer.

>>42821738
nigga, do you really need us to answer a question that's been answered literally tens of thousands of times elsewhere on the internet? The answer is : Gradually, gradually, and then suddenly.

Ok, if you want a mega autistic "motivation post", listen to this video on 1.5x speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmGjyTj550k

you need to make peace with the ashes

>>42821795
Classes are bad for basically every language that isn't latin based because they go mega slow, especially for Japanese, unless you want to explore "how the language works", but that isn't actually useful because you probably want to "read and speak japanese" instead. In a university course you'd probably spend a whole semester (or two) learning Kana, pronunciation, basic particles etc where you could easily learn that on your own in a week unless you have legit brain damage.

>>42821820
No idea what you're talking about. But sure I'll listen a little.

>>42821840
Fair enough, but what'd you mean by "input", anon? Do you mean having input on what you learn and how fast you go as opposed to following the pace of the class?

>>42821822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUXKOyAS4pc

>>42821557
you couldve just figured out from the japanese lol

>>42821793
A Newtonian-mind time gap.

>>42821437
Why ask this question? Because you'd do it if some random internet stranger told you it would take 4 months but you wouldn't if they said 6 months?

>>42821918
>Why ask this question?
Because >>42821696
>I just want to have some reasonable expectations of learning the language so that I can tell if I'm progressing well or if I should just bite the bullet and take some japanese classes instead, is all.
That's all

just talked to a girl while she was waiting for a friend at tokyo station. god my life is so empty that this was super amusing to me lmao

she didnt call the police
small wins champ

>>42821437
ive been acquiring for 5 years or so and around year 3 i could read and watch most stuff relatively comfortably. ive kinda stagnated since then since i have no real reason to improve my level much and the difficulty of the material i consume has stayed the same pretty much. i've probably consumed like 2 hours per day on average. as far as producing (speaking, writing) i just started that a month ago and i'm shit. i can talk about most subjects while making a ton of mistakes but there are a lot of times where i cant remember a certain word and i can't finish my thought or get to the point of what i'm tryin to say without it which is incredibly frustrating. japanese people always say my japanese is great which pisses me off even more

but in general goal oriented thinking like yours is kinda pointless. its going to take thousands of hours so if you dont enjoy the actual learning process you're bound to fail basically

>>42821993
it was over discord lol

>>42822014
Interesting, interesting, thanks for sharing, anon.

>>42821846
>No idea what you're talking about.
Sorry, I thought you were the "how long will it take me to learn Japanese as an adult" guy.
>>42821856
I'm not the input guy but I believe he is saying you have to learn on your own, same with apps like Duolingo that are meant to get you hooked on clicking every day instead of actually learning effectively.

Don't waste time and money on classes, I recommend you pirate the pdf called "Remembering the Kana" and read that in a day or two, then read Tae Kim's guide until you get bored of it (they both provide non obvious information concerning the basic structural things about the language that is not as succinctly explained elsewhere) and download a core 2k anki deck(literacy baseline, most of the decks are poorly organized for various reasons but I'm too lazy to make one that actually teaches words in a useful order).

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/taekim
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/nazeka/
https://anacreondjt.gitlab.io/docs/coredeck/

Everyone is different, When I was in middle school memorized kanji for a year and didn't study japanese grammar at all. Then 2 years ago I repeated a cycle of reading a grammar book, and a bunch of graded readers 10 times in a year, and now I can read and can read pretty much anything I want even math/technical shit, but can't really speak or write with any speed, and my accent is NOT, listening would probably still be n4 if I didn't watch dogen, now it's ~n2.
I would say if you have a lot of free time, grammar and reading are the way to go, if your goal is reading.
If you goal is speaking and listening, I would say dogen and active listening with memorized material.
If you are just beginning and have no time then do srs for ~30 minutes a day, It's not that longer won't help, but that there are better ways to spend time, if you have more of it.

>>42822101
>Sorry, I thought you were the "how long will it take me to learn Japanese as an adult" guy.
I.. am? Maybe? And that's not what I asked.
>I'm not the input guy but I believe he is saying you have to learn on your own, same with apps like Duolingo that are meant to get you hooked on clicking every day instead of actually learning effectively.
I heard duolingo is pretty shit, I don't remember where. Is it? It might've been in the links at the top of the page here actually.
>Don't waste time and money on classes, I recommend you pirate the pdf called "Remembering the Kana" and read that in a day or two, then read Tae Kim's guide until you get bored of it (they both provide non obvious information concerning the basic structural things about the language that is not as succinctly explained elsewhere) and download a core 2k anki deck(literacy baseline, most of the decks are poorly organized for various reasons but I'm too lazy to make one that actually teaches words in a useful order).
Alright. I'll check the links too, thanks.

>>42821727

Well historically it makes sense.
It prevents peasants from ever truly rising up because they simply don't fucking know what the middle class is even talking about.
And the middle class doesn't know what the upper class is talking about because they lacked the vocabulary to keep up.

Even today politics and higher education and the academia there is almost impenetrable unless you dedicate a certain amount of time JUST to learn the multitudes of phrases and terminology associated with it.

>>42822107
I'll keep it in mind, thank you too! A lot of this is gibberish to me but I'm sure if I google what I don't know I'll understand, thanks.

>>42821727
yes, because when you don't gatekeep people then you get corea or modern china

＞words words words
shut up

>>42822163
u just posted words bro..

>>42822163
you hate words, yet you use them, hmm curious!

Sometimes we laugh and sometimes we cry, but I guess you know now........

spoke japanese for prolly 3 and a half hours total tonight, its interesting how much better i was at the end than at the start

>>42822619
must be hard babbling in baby japanese for 3.5 hours

>>42822635
you always post this cope

>>42822646
i'm not the one coping buddy, keep sneeding

>>42816103
Honestly a good post other than the slow progress

>>42822687
i will never read a post that long

>>42822619
to whom
誰に話してたのかしら？

神体型

>>42822619
had sex in japanese this morning

are there any good guides to using perfect dark to get raws?

>>42822587
......baby

really wish pronunciation examples of nouns included a particle. The prounonciation from my cards sticks in my head but this way I don't distinguish flat patch and falling on the particle pitch

>>42822997
they don't use it anymore

>>42822997
what is perfect dark

>>42823158
http://kasumi.moe/pd/

>>42823167
yeah bro i aint clickin that

why would u ever do listening immersion before reading immersion, or prioritize listening? u just sit there understanding literally nothing

>>42823373
if its fun to you
i personally found it fun just to listen to the language

>>42823373
it's fun and it works if you're autistic enough

>>42823415
hmm so it comes down to personal preference, huh

i love reading, it's like a puzzle even if i have to yomichan every single kanji

yomichan? What happened to good old OCR and jisho.org? kids learning japanese these days are so soft

>>42823482
learning is easier and hassle-free now, old man

>>42823482
god I wish we had OCR back in my day

got no reply before
>thought I knew what I was reading
>check english translation to make sure
>タマ apparently means geisha
what does タマ actually mean here?

>>42823570
https://ja.hinative.com/questions/14015456

>>42823428
yh this is how we know youre a dunning kruger

>>42823707
I learnt しらばくれる
Gmi?

>>42821727
Nah, that's Chinese
They literally designed it to be as hard to learn as possible

I hate redditors SO MUCH
I thought the refold one was safe from idiots like this.

>>42823836
What is he even talking avout

>>42823836
nothin wrong with this post from a refold perspective tbqh

nobody (except me) knows how to use anki

you are a dekinai dekinai dekinai
https://youtu.be/nPF7lit7Z00

タチとネコin日本

dame

さくらが

さきそうだよ

みにくる？

Rate Connor japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9pCkjDmPWQ

just played wii sports with a japanese woman irl

>>42824071
Whos connor? Is he like the Howard guy you used to post?

Today review
>>42821163

if the thing marked by を is supposed to be replaced by the thing marked by に then why is it the opposite in the example? i'm too stupid for this

>>42824071
he got filtered by トイレ so i'd say pretty poor

Grammar or words first?

>>42823825
Chinese grammar is simple when compared to that of Japanese or English. No inflection, no case, no gender, no plurality, no tense, no grammatical agreement, and the same basic word order as that of English.

The tones suck arse, though.

>>42825057
>The tones suck arse, though
so do u kanken noob lmao

あのんさん

おはなみに

ごいっしょしていただけませんか

yooooooooooooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/live/FQHJL5ueV64?feature=share

>>42825261
mikotiiiii!

>>42825261
Thanks for the reminder.

>>42825261
https://files.catbox.moe/fweb6w.mp4

Why can't I speak nip?

>>42825358
nyahoone~

>>42825261
I fucking love Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko Miko!!!!!

kys vnigger faggot

gotta go back to waging tomorrow

but for now ill enjoy miko

>>42825434
vbased

>reading tsukihime r
>only thing I want to read in japanese
>getting burnt out
nooooooo

mikosex

>>42825057
chinese has like an infinte amount of vocabulary, even compared to japanese.

happy migo

>>42825548
Okayu was done dirty.

>>42825496
What do you mean by “infinite vocabulary”? It’s the oldest living language, so it probably does have a very large one, but once you strip away all the proper names, variants, ancient and outdated slang, it can’t be worse than English.

I mean, 汴 is the name of a river which flowed into the Yellow River. That 汴 river no longer even exists, so should we still count that as a word?

>>42814563

>>42814621

>>42825685
Is it normal to have so many suspended cards?

never suspended a card
never will!

>>42825358
分からない/I don't get it

>>42825799
damn every number is great

>>42825396

>>42825411
7 posts above yours got filtered

how can fes even compete?

>>42825944
Everyone who worked on Okayus birthday needs fired.

except okayu

UOOOOOOO

>>42826106
mikoti cute and funny

Which one of you did this?

>>42826149
>>42826106
>>42826159
https://youtu.be/lra5Re_T_lI

>>42825636
i thought in chinese 1 kanji = 1 word, and that there were only about 10-15k kanji. how can there be more words than that?

>>42826203
based risu

You're brown!

>>42826256

>>42825973
She's gen0 you baka onigiri

>selling actual mikotea
i kneel

>>42826206
>i thought in chinese 1 kanji = 1 word, and that there were only about 10-15k kanji
In Classical Chinese, that’s more or less true, but the Kangxi character reference alone lists something like 60 thousand, I think. But again, a huge chunk of what exists is just variants, dialectical characters, just plain miscopies and errors, proper names, etc., so it really isn’t nearly as bad as it looks at first.

Rare singing immersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE5RH8Ex1rU

>live.fc2
Didn't know this was a thing. Found a comfy girl stream.
https://live.fc2.com/34242561/

>>42826576

>>42826622
yeah shes not even naked going back to azkii >>42826576

>>42826576
Holy fuck shes singing Raxephon.
Based

>>42826704
i wanna pull out her from TV

>>42826732

>>42826715
you fucks need to stay in your containment board, really. you're gradually make the internet worse than it already was

>>42826576
wtf shes 10 times better than watame...
wnf bros...

>>42826797
Behold the power of a holosinger.

>page 6
please stop

new thread
>>42826860
>>42826860
>>42826860
be aware that the samefagger is going to make a new thread immediately or have his bot do it
he will then create blatant fake engagement in his thread using multiple ips

>>42826873
>(this thread was made first and the other thread was made by a blatant samefagger who should fuck off to vt)
>2 / 1 / 1 / 1
nice ip count you got there.

>>42826893
don't mind that anon hes mentally ill

Yosh, real new thread.

>>42826910
Everything he posted is true though.

>>42826934
>>42826934
>>42826934
IKZ

>>42826954
>holodex.net
this is shilling

>>42826873
>>42826954
samefag

>>42826954
thanks for baking bro

>>42823744
the same like sirasirashii i sauppose?

>>42822722
with a friend over skype, then with a girl on discord and after that in a voice group on hellotalk

>>42824458
i suspect whoever made the card does not have a solid understanding of japanese particles.
this video explains why that sentence means that, the key is the ni particle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_QWMdZhSvU

>>42817390
Yeah, it's called Dunning–Kruger.

>>42818390
>>42818440
https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/notes-on-learning-languages/
If you just listened to Luke you would have made it.
Production is king. For a computer analogy I learned to write shells scrips throught this process.
1) have problem
2) write shell script to solve it
3) read man pages when I was stuck
4) rewrite the shell script to do as little as possible
5) check if this is the standard or equivalent to it.
For japanese
1) Think of an Japanese/english sentence
2) Try to write/modify it in Japanese
3) reference textbook when stuck
4) rewrite it in the simplest Japanese possible
5) check if it's correct and common Japanese

After doing both for a little while, I have no problem reading shell or Japanese, despite spending almost no time actually reading shell or Japanese.
The problem with learning a language through input is that you have no idea what is happening in other people's heads, so you don't (and will never) get the process of putting words together.
Think about how you construct sentences in English, do you get that from reading English? Of course not.
Having your own writing to compare the standard to is worth infinitely more than the standard by itself, as you know the though process behind your own writing and thus, can infer the though process behind the standard (as well as measures such as runtime, saftey, simplicity, idiomaticness)

>>42823900
I assume he is talking about a flash card program, wherein he adds full sentences that you know all but 1 word, and that adding sentences where you know all but 2, or 3 words are understandable as well.
You know. Retard shit.
I don't know how you can "otherwise" understand a sentence that has three words removed unless you are a native
I don't asdf how you can "otherwise" understand a ffdfasdfff that has three fffff removed unless you are a native

>>42828845
very stupid post
with programming you get instant and unambiguous feedback whether what you did was right or wrong because it either works or it doesn't
you're not going to get this with languages because the concept of right or wrong isn't that strong - as long as you're understandable a native will probably tell you that what you wrote is fine even if the grammar is not exactly right or the most natural. so how are you going to figure out what is the correct grammar or the most natural version of what you're trying to say?
the answer is: read and watch enough until you know intuitively what's correct and natural

>>42828939
>with programming you get instant and unambiguous feedback whether what you did was right or wrong because it either works or it doesn't
Lmao, I'm not going to even bother correcting you just read the post you are replying to.
>the answer
Your answer makes no sense as I have already explained. You get a sense for writing natural japanese, through, suprise suprise, writing japanese and correcting your mistakes. Just like programming correcting your mistakes takes time and isn't instant, you are simply at a stage where you don't realize your mistakes.

how does that stupid article get at least 1 (you) every time it's posted

>Lmao, I'm not going to even bother correcting you
because you have no argument cya later

>>42828845
/g/'s idol learnt Japanese?

財布を落としてしまったんです
財布を落としたんですが

whats the difference in these two sentences? しまった just means 'to have done' right? like ちゃった, but した also means to have done?

>>42829326
shimatta gives it a nuance of "i fucked up and it sucks"

imo you need to bridge the chasm between being able to tell when japanese sounds unnatural when you hear or read it and being able to do that subconsciously with your own thoughts in real time while talking yourself. logically i'd think that this chasm narrows the more you improve your intuition for sniffing out unnatural japanese in other peoples writing and speech. i'm not sure how much direct corrections by a native of your own speech will matter.

i'm an esl and every single person i know here that is fluent in english learned it through input. they watched cartoon network as kids, played cs 1.6 or wow etc etc. they never had classes or a teacher/conversation partner purposefully correct their sentences. one of my friends is now writing a doctorate and the other is writing an extremely technical finance/banking related masters thesis in english and their production is basically native level at this point. none of their schooling was in english up to this point either.

>>42829081
samefagging