/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>41784608
4chan.
They all should come here!

>>41784608
e621

self host or die

Well first off literally anything but >>41784656 , because at the end of the day most artists have no capability to self-host yet alone actually care about it.

Second off those assumptions won't come to pass unless they started targeting content which isn't actively used in transactions, which they aren't.

And third most likely one of the other semi-popular picture upload sites you guys complain about already, or something new which also has several caveats most artists don't give a rip about but (You) do.

There. That's the whole thread summed up for you, just like the last 50 threads of people getting hung up over some legal rewording on pixiv's part.

>>41784608
Nijie.

>>41784656
Fuck. That was the Golden era when artist had their own sites.

>>41784632
Not a bad option honestly. The tagging system of that website is autistically amazing and they allow almost everything to be posted there. Hell, I even saw some ケモノ artists joking(?) about moving there after this fiasco happened.

>>41784623
4chan actually stinks for content tagging, aggregation, etc. from a design perspective, like hell would who don't otherwise have a reason to use 4chan upload here primarily.

How does Pixiv get caught up in the credit card drama, while sites like Sankaku gets away with all that crap banned on the TOS using every single monetary transaction provider to sell their gold account?
Is this all on Pixiv wanting to go all global and leaving the their image as a porn site behind, or is Mastercard pushing them?

>>41784608
Artists are all fucking narcissistic autists that delete their own works for no reason or nuke everything because ONE troll made a mean comment.

>>41784735
It's CC processors pushing it, it's just a question of:
1. Explicitness of violation
2. Publicity around said violation

Danbooru, Sankaku, and a number of sites could be in even hotter water than pixiv if they got sufficient attention from processors to get an in-depth investigation. In fact, the whole 4chan/4channel domain split was done with the idea of doing the same thing, but enough people made enough stink to Visa/Mastercard (or Paypal/Stripe) to get that plan snuffed right out of the gate.

pixiv is big enough to get that kind of attention, but also doesn't try to knowingly skirt payment processors' ToS, so they are likely to just determine what exactly they need to do to resolve it with as little damage to their service as possible and implement it.

>>41784735
A couple years ago ComicZIN dropped R18 products from its mail order store over card issues.
A few months later they quietly reinstated them

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>>41785129
>>41785147
wait a minute, this isn't otaku culture...

>>41785149
It is we just don't know it yet

>>41784703
This and also baarg, heck they might even use booru's forums like ATF or Little Angels Hentai, but I hope the good artists will not be choose the latter as LAH is ultra-autistic when it comes to simply getting a p/w or links for downloads.

>>41784789
>make universal token across all their network and affiliates
>have said token be purchased with something like paypal (not sure if that's best option tho as PP have reputation we all know too well when handling people's money)
>the token isn't directly bought with a debit / credit card and legally all those big corpo's can't force pixiv to do jack shit
(basically works like "a gacha game that isn't p2w" with a system that works around by "p2w" definition)

as >>41784789 said it's a matter of
>1. Explicitness of violation
>2. Publicity around said violation

I'm not exactly being original here with the idea, the work-around both was done by countless companies starting from Kid's Online Casino aka. FIFA or p. much any modern thing by EA, trough Diablo Immoral ending on the most obscure JP gacha there is that hardly anyone on /jp/ has heard of.

>>41784735
>>41784789
There's speculation that some people were paying for stuff beyond just drawings.

https://twitter.com/seri3ma/status/1592557575869906944

>>41785764
It's pretty simple, ban all AI-generated stuff and not only you will get rid of the primal chink cancer, but probably not limited to them either but also you will be saving 10's of thousands of artists who are now being burried and discouraged from even doing anything.

How to verify if one is actually drawing their art or if it's done by a machine? Pretty simple.
Make it a REQUIREMENT for anyone who makes content to do pixiv-sketch livestream at least once per month for non-verified artists (because you might as well call someone who posts ai-trash a spambot)
I mean to be reasonable with veteran artists as it would be ridiculus to ask dorontabi to prove he does his own art.

If something questionable would be happening during the livestream users are usually quick to report anything and everything that could cause problems to the communtiy and pixiv a whole, talking a lawsuit which could bring us to darkest scenario of pixiv going 404 or it's entire administration.

Uma Musume lewds are being raked on sight because if they didn't delete them they would be invited to buttfuck nowhere and dealt with their neightbourhood friendly Yakuza. If someone organised a massive amount of trolling and organised ai-made Uma Musume r-18 spam the problem would be solved, along with someone important at pixiv being dissolved in acid right after because they didn't prevent it.

I thought Ken Akamatsu getting into house of councilors is supposed to make things better, not worse. What the fuck is he doing?

>>41785919
Like in any political system where you don't have a proper dictator, no one person has the power to do fucking anything.

>>41784656
>self host
>>41784703
>That was the Golden era when artist had their own sites

>2022 and somehow people act like having your own site is impossible...

You can literally not just have your own site, but host it on your own home server. Literally just a tiny box in your home. For something like artwork it is more than adequate.

For payment you can do the same with Monero. No need for any 3rd party bullshit.

>>41785975
You can have your own site all you want but it doesn't matter if no one can find it, which they won't because people don't look for self hosted sites anymore.

Better question is how Steam gets away with it. You can buy all this controversial shit on Steam as well.

>>41785989
The fuck are you talking about? A mere school uniform in a SFW game is enough to get it banned if it looks anime enough on steam.

>>41785989
These usually require a third party patch.

>>41785860
>Uma Musume lewds are being raked on sight
Please refer to my dick and balls.

MasterCard will definitely follow along Visa and along them all digital shops will fall. I wander will dlsite do this, they have shit tons of loli content.

>>41785975
What's the website of Nishi Iori's / Dasshifunnyuu (his circle)? I can't find them anywhere and with my google-translate JP skills I've been looking for it for years, including everything mentioned in the thread.

I thought Japanese were really hyped about crypto, do they use it?

Self host is not a problem, payment can be a serious problem. There is a possibility that some will lock payment only to Japanese banks.

>>41786070
No one uses crypto since few days but this is not the board to go offtopic on that.

>>41786070
NTF kinda killer artists enthusiasm over it

>>41786070
Yeah I can't believe more people aren't using this thing nobody treats like a currency instead of as a stock.

>>41785919
Imagine believing everything you read on Twitter. You ironic weebs are so funny. Ken Akamatsu is one person. He can't do much.
Besides, this is about Visa/MasterCard, which aren't even Japanese companies.

A CRYPTO ONLY
payment site is needed

No jews allowed: MC, Visa and Paypal completely banned.

>>41785764
It's not speculation, it's not a joke, it's not a rumor. Unless they started purging content, even today real CP is being circulated in certain loli tags and it is as open as it can be. Tons of .ru domains and links encrypted by Base64. Telegram invites and trade offers. It's so brazen it's almost silly, makes you wonder why does Pixiv allow linking external sites or comments in the first place.

I feel like Pixiv is just addressing a real problem with CP trade going on their site. Culling these tags seems to be their final option.

>>41786491
Dude, tentacle monsters have fuck all to do with cheese pizza.

>>41785764
Every time anything gets banned there’s always speculation and never proof

>>41785919
He's into media preservation more considering it's doable. As for this, i think this is beyond his control, he's a mere one man after all.

>>41786070
Skeb is doing that right now with skeb coin. Thege even send this email today reminded people of it .
,>In order to break away from dependence on specific payment methods, Skeb is developing various mechanisms such as Skeb Coin and Skeb Points starting in 2022.

>>41786491
>why does Pixiv allow linking external sites or comments in the first place.
idiot

>>41785860
man im shy i dont wanna livestream me trying to draw a line 50 times in a row and then getting so frustrated istart doomscrolling
>>41786878
hope skeb succeeds enough other sites follow suit, ridiculous sites need to conform to credit card companies to begin with

>>41785975
TELL ME
WHAT DO I DO TO HAVE MY OWN WEBSITE
Which (free) coding course and webhosting course do I take????

>>41785919
He's done all he can do right now; he's called for a formal oversight commission over foreign payment processors' arbitrary restrictions of site content.

Aside from that, there isn't much one member can do, even if they're popular. The most success he's had recently is getting state funds earmarked for video game preservation and archiving so you'll always be able to get a copy of that H-game from 2003 and a machine to play it on.

>>41786070
This happened.

What are the odds that massive backlash (especially now that all the Twitter jannies have been fired) forces Pixiv to reverse course? 20%? 30%? 50%?

>>41787970
Very low. I can't really see Pixiv doing a reverse course for this decision. It would be too risky. This decision was a culmination of the CP sharing and Mastercard's TOS that changed the minda of the Pixiv executives. They'll go the same way as Pornhub.

>>41787895
and this is.....

>>41784656
>>41785975
Self hosting is dumb since hosting costs money and you are being pressured by the payment processors who control the flow of money. Even if you set up your own website you still need to use payment systems to earn money, you will also need to pay for shit like cloudflare to protect your site (you will probably have a bunch of people fucking with you for posting content they dislike) and you need to earn a living somehow. This doens't include the fact people need to find and see your website, which doesn't happen anymore because google can bury you and most people use ahandful of big websites like reddit, twitter, etc.

Look at what happened to youtube with demonitisation, was there a big shift? No. All alternative attempts failed as everyone has their balls in a vice when it comes to payment processors.

It's only a matter of time until 4chan dies. You may think it's bullshit but it was the CC companies that wiped thousands of porn videos off the big porn sites, they control the internet and with various governments talking about digital currency it will only get worse.

>>41788032
Fuck, I forgot that I'm fucking old now.

First ever rugpull in crypto history. At the time, MtGox was the first, biggest, and for most purposes, only, bitcoin exchange in the world, handling 70% of bitcoin/fiat swaps. It was headquartered in Shibuya, and the Japanese government made lots of noise about how this was proof that Japan had gotten her mojo back and was gonna dominate the crypto world without help from the West. This being 2008 or so, there were Japanese flip phones being sold with hardware-level MtGox integration so you could pay with crypto over NFC. There was even talk that Satoshi was a MtGox employee.

Then, out of nowhere, the site shut down and took everyone's bitcoin. Japan ended up passing very strict laws to prevent it from happening again, none of the money was ever really recovered, and the 2011 earthquake the next year threw all this discussion onto the back burner and started Japan's slow transition to smartphones and social media, which would lock her into America's tech ecosystem.

>>41788080
>Japanese flip phones being sold with hardware-level MtGox integration
I remember these! This was back during that time that Japanese cell phones were running easily 10 years ahead in terms of features and everyone was running around contactless paying for everything from their phones, which was lots of fun. Bitcoin was just another kind of that payment, really.

There were places you could buy 2 pieces of sushi or whatever for, like, 10,000 BTC. Good times!

>>41788099
>back during that time that Japanese cell phones were running easily 10 years ahead
You might enjoy this video Japan made for the sunsetting of their 3G network this year; very touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ZWOLGFx3s

>>41788099
It's pretty sad how BTC used to be so cheap and people used it as a currency, where now the entire thing is just a stock that nobody spends.

>>41788146
I blame Satoshi's (probable) death. If he was still around, I think he would have bullied the dev team into fixing block sizes and adding encryption by default and whatnot, but he left the code in the hands of people who were easily bullied by large miners and speculators and anyone who wanted to make a change had to fragment the ecosystem with a fork, which led us to where we are today.

The only crypto I've ever used to buy stuff in present times is Monero, and that's basically only used by people selling drugs and other illegal things on the darknet, with no other adoption; good luck convincing people to use that.

You know, this makes me wonder : can archiving sites like archive.org or kemono be held accountable for what's on them and vice versa ? It's a per country basis right ?

>>41784608
You made this thread with full knowledge of literal /pol/, /v/ and god knows what other cesspit shitposters destroyed the first thread about it in hours. Any and all attempts at discussing it with actual people on /jp/ basically ended within the first dozen minutes.

Why would you make this one again so soon after that? Wait a week.

>>41788423
>You made this thread with
Who fucking cares?
>Why would you
Because he can.

>>41788456
>he
Hah. Enjoy your thread that's going to devolve into arguing about Guilty Gear lore, cryptoshit and fucking British politics like the last one then.

>>41788423
It's a news story that has serious repercussions for this board and everything it talks about; it's a valid topic of discussion and we can't help it if other people this matters to (/pol/weebs and cryptovangelists) come here and talk about it, too.

Note that the OP contains a very specific question that's entirely relevant to /jp/ and no other board.

>>41788475
Didn't ask.

>>41788062
if you can't think of solutions to work around this (that sites do use and do work when they are targeted + assuming someone wants to bully a random artist) then you've already failed
relying on corpos to host art is how you get into situations like this
>>41788391
dunno about kemono but archive.org likes to delete random archives without any warning even if they don't break the rules
i would not trust them for saving art

>>41788391
Archive.org is under attack from three fronts:
>US copyright lawsuits are trying to get them to remove content like ebooks.
>Copyright trolls can force them to take archives of certain websites down as long as they """own""" them.
>Twitter harassment campaigns work; entire forum archives have been wiped because some bluecheck whined to their HR people.

I wouldn't trust them for anything long term.

It's both amusing and kind of alarming how basically everyone in the internet who's aware of pixiv is talking about this with the worst expectations due to how retarded they were to copy paste Visa's ToS in their announcement, instead of linking to their own or making it clear what exactly is the issue they're facing.
I pray they're noticing all the buzz around this topic and either a second announcement to calm people down or the actual ToS update comes out sooner rather than later.

>>41789107
>how retarded they were to copy paste Visa's ToS in their announcement
This reminds me of a story from the Allied Occupation.

During the war, Japanese newspapers were heavily censored, and so before the paper went to print, someone from the government would put literal pieces of paper over the proof to show what had to be taken out. The newspapers just blanked out that part of the proof and replaced it with the word "CENSORED".

The Allies come in, and of course demand their own censorship of Japanese newspapers. So the newspapers run their proofs past the allies, get the censorship instructions, and then print it the same way, with the word "CENSORED" over huge parts of the paper. The Allies get furious, and call in the newspaper editors, explaining to them that they didn't want readers to KNOW that the content was being censored.

"So what do we call it, then?" said the editors.
"I don't know," said the Allied GHQ guy; "say something like that you 'voluntarily restrained from publishing it', if anyone asks".

The next day, newspapers came out in Tokyo with massive areas blanked out, replaced by the large word "VOLUNTARILY RESTRAINED".

To this day, "voluntary restraint", or 自主規制 in Japanese, is used to describe some form of censorship or restriction that isn't officially acknowledged but that everyone knows exists.

What should I use to archive my bookmarks in case of a massive site wipe?

>>41788423
Actual /jp/ is dead. It's all ironic weebs now.

>>41784608
For paywall shit, fantia or ci-en.
For products, DLSite or Fanza.
For commisions, nowhere because everybody used skeb in the first place, not pixiv.
For normal free art posts if pixiv really goes downhill, nijie.

>>41790403
None. It's over.

>>41790540
So how is being upset at pixiv banning loli + possibly anyone under 18/incest/bestiality and kemono/rape and non-con/guro being an 'ironic weeb'?

>>41790644
Don't respond to it. It's the "ironic loliconfag" from /a/.

>>41790644
'cause they're not actually banning it. It only affects the Fanbox. Ironic weebs are greatly exaggerating what's actually going on.

>>41791050
Two points here. One, artists don't draw for free. Most of the art you're getting for free was commissioned or sold at some point. Without being able to monetize it, it's not going to be made in the first place. You straight out just do not understand where your fap art is coming from. Two, carefully re-read their announcements, they say that anyone who continues to upload this kind of art will have it privated. Meaning that while it IS hosted on pixiv, you won't be able to see it unless you are the artist. It is effectively scrubbed.

>>41791050
Are the artists on Fanbox speging out also ironic weebs you insufferable cretin?

>>41791081
>>41791140
Please go back to watching Hero Hei and Rev Says Desu. It is useless to reason with you.
Nobody is saying this is a good thing, but artists can just use other platforms like Fantia/SubscribeStar. See >>41790559
The problem is you're sensationalizing/exaggerating what's actually going on so you can have your political shitflinging.

>>41791245
>Artists can use an alternative!
Losing the most prominent/popular artist site is a huge fucking blow, and also a sign that other sites can suffer a similar fate. Nobody is saying 90% of hentai is illegal and we're all going to jail, we're telling you pixiv is dead and how it's a scary sign of what's to come. Stop trying to downplay it and act like it's no big deal. What exactly are you going to do if nijie, fantia, or any other alternative caves in the future? Say the exact same thing until you're chased to the darkweb and forced to rely on the shady cryptos druggies and hitmen use?

>>41791266
And what exactly will whining on the internet and making 9000+ threads on every board accomplish?

>>41791316
Gee, I dunno retard, maybe this is a discussion board for Japanese culture and maybe we all want to talk and vent a little about this topic related to Japanese culture?

>>41791326
Except we've already had a thread with 500+ posts filled with all kinds of /pol/tards and /v/ermin.

>>41791351
Oh shit, oh no, some people already talked about it and voiced opinions you don't like. That means we can never have a thread again because it offended you, and you rule the board. Eat shit, senpai.

>>41791351
>>41791316
You better get used to it or just close /jp/ for a while because this is unfortunately topical and relevant news. Just report the blatant /pol/bait if it comes up.

>>41791360
Whatever. I'll just leave you with this:
>>41790336

>>41785764
This is just like when that tranny lied to everyone about TF2 spays hiding malicious code and illegal content.

>>41788551
>if you can't think of solutions to work around this (that sites do use and do work when they are targeted + assuming someone wants to bully a random artist) then you've already failed
retard, that's the entire fucking point being made
if internet will start filtering artists by their proficiency at webshit and whatnot, we'll just go back to the pre-internet situation, where some people with actual drawing skills don't publish their work both because they can't and because they'd rather draw for their desk drawer (or, in modern realities, for their hard drive) some more rather than learn some unrelated shit, with their work only being publicly discovered after their death (if it is discovered at all)

>>41791694
i mean you cant control people who decide not to share their works at the end of the day
the internet was built upon people learning how to use the tools before them and this happening at all is a result of people unwilling to educate themselves

I can't help but not care.

>Pornographic images deleted.
Good.
>Loli/Guro/Etc. is just art!1
Perception is what ultimately matters. Porn drawn in the style of children, with the characters referred to as children, with people talking about fucking said children (Using terms like little boy/girl (Just go read *booru comments)) is always, ALWAYS going to come off as creepy and disgusting to anyone that isn't an internet basement dweller. You'd have to live under a rock to never expect it to come under intense scrutiny and eventually attack.
>Artists driven off the platform.
>Where will they end up?
Who knows. I do know that they will survive, however, and most art that has and will be deleted is saved both locally and on other image hosts. Human history is adapting to problems that arise.

Just another bump in the road IMO.

>>41791857
>orn drawn in the style of children, with the characters referred to as children, with people talking about fucking said children (Using terms like little boy/girl (Just go read *booru comments)) is always, ALWAYS going to come off as creepy and disgusting to anyone that isn't an internet basement dweller
Yeah, I don't know why ironic lolicons don't understand this. Either you're going to have to make the world accept MAP rights or things are going to stay this way.

>>41791857
>normalfags think you're gross and icky so you should roll over and accept it when they try to censor your artwork
How about no?

>>41791935
If you want change do what this >>41791916 anon says and start advocating for MAP rights.
There is literally nothing else you can do. Sitting and complaining online doesn't do shit.

>>41791983
>start advocating for MAP rights
What exactly does that entail? Does your constant shit stirring on /a/ all day about ironic lolicons change anything? Normalfags won't go for some pro contact let me fuck your toddler message.

>>41792033
>Normalfags won't go for some pro contact let me fuck your toddler message
You overestimate normalfags.

>>41792033
I think you'd be surprised how quickly general public opinion can change if powerful people decides to push for it. Of course, it doesn't look like it's going to happen anytime soon.

>>41788423
>Discussion is on topic and going fine for over 12 hours.
>retard, tripping over his own legs, barges in to scream at the thread and OP
>drooling and cross-eyed, the retard says the thread shouldn't have been made because retards might come here and make it worse.
Well... At least you can consider yourself to have been somewhat correct, I guess...

>>41792033
>What exactly does that entail?
Making people realize that children are sexual beings with sexual desires of their own and they should be liberated.
Making people realize that not all pedophiles are evil rapist monsters who stalk children from their white vans.
That's it.

>>41792033
Normalfags have no thoughts or opinions of their own, they will say and do exactly what the talking heads tell them too. They are cattle.

>>41792091
They already want to imprison us for thought crime, ageplay, cartoons and dolls. I'm not convinced that telling them their 5 year old daughter likes it when you deepthroat her is going to help.

This isn't about pedophilia. This is about artistic free expression and how international conglomerates are literally preventing individuals from selling lines on paper to other people who make the choice to consume such works with their own free will.
Censorship is disgusting and immoral and you shouldn't have expected anything more from a society that STILL IN 2022, SAYS IT'S ILLEGAL TO SIMPLY DRAW A SILLY CARTOON PENIS WITHOUT BLURRING IT WITH MOSAICS.

>>41792136
You don't have to do the "LET ME FUCK YOUR 5YO DAUGHTER, PEDOPHOBE" shit that conservatards always use as a strawman. You just have to make them aware that minors are sexual creatures just like adults. You don't immediately go from an innocent baby to an adult capable of consenting to sex at an arbitrary age like 18.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now.

>>41792140
Like, seriously stop and think about it for even a second.
You aren't even legally allowed to sell a drawing of a dick in Japan without being fined or imprisoned. A fucking drawing.
Like really think about how ridiculous that is and how serious of an offence it is there to this very day.

And no, before any faggots come here and say it was the Americans that forced them to put that into their constitution. THEY'VE HAD 70 FUCKING YEARS TO CHANGE IT and they've only strengthened censorship overtime and allocated even more resources to shit like the Internet Hotline Center. That shit didn't exist when they were occupied by the US. They did that themselves.
The Internet Hotline Center is not even part of the Government, yet the Japanese gave them power to censor people and interpret the fucking law. That's fucking insane. The IHC is the reason why Pixiv started to require complete mosaics instead of the less intrusive black bars that artists often use. Other sites aren't even required to do go that far. But Pixiv bends over backwards for the IHC and is fucking terrified to fight on behalf of artists or artistic expression.

The Japanese people are stupid, tepid sheep when it comes to these kinds of issues and you shouldn't have expected anything better from a image host operated by such spineless cowards.

>>41791983
Don't actually do this. You're just going to wind up in prison.

>>41779834
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T SELL HUMAN REMAINS??

>>41787835
Websites are easier than ever to make anon. Look up some wordpress tutorials on youtube. Or learn html/css (more fun imo). Look for /g/ for resources.

>>41792464
if you browse that board stay there

>>41792237
Japs have always been docile cattle for the state
For literal centuries

>>41792464
This ignores that hosts will drop you like a hot potato the minute there's any controversy, especially free ones.
>Host it yourself
The hardware and bandwidth cost money, plus you need to buy DDOS protection from Cloudfare, who will also drop you like a hot potato for controversy.

>>41792484
It also ignores that people need to be able to fucking find you to begin with, which they won't.

>>41792475
I visit /wdg/ once in a while and the occasional tech happeneings.
>>41792484
Purchase from resellers that are more lenient on porn. There's a bunch for $10/year, it's not very expensive and tons of porn sites host under them. Backup your shit and if it goes under just migrate to another host.

>DDOS protection from Cloudfare
It's a possibility but how likely is that going to happen to a literal who artist? You'd have to be kiwifarms level notoriety to get that far.

>>41792521
>more lenient on porn
Yeah, pinups and vanilla MC and Visa don't care about. So-called niche content, even if it does make up most or a lot of hentai, is not tolerated by almost anyone.
>How likely is that going to happen
Very likely, all you need to do is make a script to access the site every so many seconds. Script kiddies do that shit all the time. The people behind Cloudfare even got their start in showing people how to DDOS even easier to justify what they were going to sell. Back when kiwifarms was a thing they actually made it a hobby to organize DDOS against any loli site they could find.

>>41792541
Isn't cloudflare free anyways? If they drop you there's always the russian alternatives although probably paid. No ones going to bother to bring your site down like kiwifarms unless you willingly target the alphabet crew. How many loli websites are getting ddos'd now?

That said if you're actually self-hosting and still going through paypal/VISA, then there is no solution for you. Which is why we're having the discussion today.

>>41792586
I don't think you're reading my posts. I told you kiwifarms organized DDOS against loli sites. As in, kiwifarms DDOS'd loli sites. It's not a matter of being big, it's about one person willing to DDOS you finding out you exist, it's just that easy.
>How many are getting DDOS'd now?
Not many right this second because one of the groups doing it got taken out by one curiously influential alphabet warrior. But many sites did get destroyed by them.
>Still going through paypal/visa
The topic of crypto currency and its issues has already been covered and I won't repeat any of that.

>bro they'll just move to another site
>1 year later that site bends the knee
>bro they'll just move to another site
>1 year later that site bends the knee
>bro they'll just move to another site
>6 months later that site bends the knee
>bro they'll just move to another site
>wtf why are they arresting people now?
At some point you have to realize that none of this is sustainable. It sucks for artists but at least consumers still have AI to fall back on. It's really the only solution left.

People still like the cuck website that is Pixiv?

>>41792649
All the AIs worth a shit are remote hosted and designed to restrict porn.

>>41792660
Japan doesn't exactly like moving to new standards.

>>41792616
To be fair, japanese sites that facilitate very the sale of loli and "undesirables" are still up and running fine, payment processors aside. DDOS isn't a new thing and nip artsites didn't have a problem with them. Unless you mean kiwifarms targetted westerners?

>>41791245
In what world is Pixiv banning at least 50% of the art on the site not a big deal for otaku?

>>41792684
They targeted small sites. Either way, this talk about DDOS is in regards to self-host, not using larger alternatives to pixiv, so whether or not western script kiddies could take out fantia or nijie etc. is irrelevant to the topic.

>>41792690
I thought they were banning them only from their paid services?

>>41791245
>Hero Hei and Rev Says Desu
Two people whose main crimes in your eyes are advocating against Western influence in the Japanese entertainment industry?

>but zoomers like them
Oh, no; would you rather more of them just become woketards like all of their friends and piss you off in a worse way?

>>41792709
For now. You do know what comes next right?

>>41792706
Yeah I meant the small ones, too. Those artsites are up and running fine. Small indie games, what havenots.

>>41792709
They'll come after the displaying of images, no doubt, because of pixiv premium that goes through the same payment processors.

>>41792720
>You do know what comes next right?
An exodus of Japanese artists out of Pixiv, I hope.

>>41792709
For now; pretty sure that this sort of ratchet only turns in one direction.

And good luck getting this content made when artists are banned from taking money for it, no?

>>41792733
To the point of this thread: to where?

>>41792758
To home.

>>41792088
This thread and last are almost note for note the exact same as the recent threads where AI art god brought up/was the topic itself. Hell, the fact that there is a concept of "a last" for an issue that literally got announced a day ago is proof enough that 90% of posters here aren't from /jp/.

>>41792946
Not sure why that matters. Are peoples opinions only valid if you spend all day browsing this shitty 2hu board?

>>41792946
I've been here long enough that I remember when being 'from' a board didn't really mean anything because people tended to use more than one. But yes, it is obvious there's been some cross-linking going on to bring more people here than normal, but as long as they stay on-topic I don't really care much.

>>41792946
The reason there was "a last" thread is precisely because it's something that just happened, it's going to affect a ton of Japanese artists, and because the last thread archived at 502 posts. You're a fucking moron that is complaining about bogeyman and crossies when no one in this entire fucking thread gives a single shit about whatever it is you have to say. Go back to your regular thread and leave talking about these complex issues to the adults, you smooth-brained faggot retard.

>>41793018
>but as long as they stay on-topic I don't really care much.
You probably should, considering how the last thread was screaming about pozzies and trannies ruining everything.

>>41793231
Given that the topic of this thread is literally an American company forcing mass censorship of Japanese art by financial fiat, is that really so far of the mark?

>>41792946
Even the fucking Yukkuri scandal had a thread that lasted for a good week, and that was peak /jp/.
I'll never trust a thread that hits bumplimit in half a day.

I just checked the loli tag and the spam is still going on. How the fuck are they even going to solve this problem at all?

>>41793284
Because the ai spam was an obvious scapegoat and pixiv was always on borrowed time with American payment processors.

>>41793284
ban chinese ip and vpns?

>>41793304
Yeah sure it's all the credit card's fault and there's nothing shady going on at all. How about you try paying attention to the site instead of spammnig your conspiracy theories for a second?
>>41793315
I doubt the spammers don't have a way to go around IP bans, and these days there are a bunch of good Chinese artists too so it wouldn't fix anything.
I can only imagine every upload needing a mod's verification to be allowed into the site being a way to do it, but they're already overworked as things are and the site still gets thousands of new images every day so it seems unfeasible as well.

>>41793315
Don't ban VPNs.

>>41793346
What are you talking about? There's no consipiracy theory here, pixiv is literally going the way of patreon, kickstarter and creator sites to fall in line with paypal/visa/mastercard policies. The ai spam being the reason is just an excuse, and their proposed solutions, as you can already see, resolves none of that. They'll need proper human moderation to fix this.

>>41793373
And that's why they reminded people they can't sell human body parts and drugs on Fanbox, I see. Makes perfect sense.

>>41793410
Pretty sure those are already in the ToS or implicitly. Doesn't matter if you write something and don't enforce it. The no loli, beastiality, mutilation etc are verbatim from payment processor policies, I don't know what you're getting at.

>>41793410
You're still in that special place where you think they didn't really mean that part of Visa's TOS they copy pasted that extends its restrictions to 2D art? Or perhaps you did, and you think that being unable to monetize it won't effect its production at all. It's possible you also missed that line about how anything that breaks Visa's TOS is going to get privated even in your gallery.

I thought all this stuff was legal in America? Why does payment processors make such a big deal about it?

>>41793455
It's """""""legal""""""". If you actually get caught with it I wouldn't expect to get off scot-free. America is a very hypocritical place where rules are different for everybody.

Ah, so it was because of actual child porn being peddled by bugmen. Again. At this point I'm not even surprised they are the ones behind it.

>>41793410
Or art, on an art website. But keep pretending all those Japanese artists are freaking out for no reason.

>>41793481
It used to be Eastern Europeans.

>>41793496
Have Japanese artists ever not freaked out for every possible reason?

>>41786481
That could work, providing that against all odds and current situation with crypto wouldn't discourage people to use it over there. Which is why a token system few layers deep like

1. Buy said *Token*
2. Redeem it to get [whatever] *Coins*
3. Addationally you'd receive *Points* for reviewing art or from the artist themselves and depending on their ratings, follower count, even *page views*. Important would be for people to have feature where they could redeem them should they choose to lurk only but at a reasonable exchange ratio which would not be abused to simply yoink most expensive works from an artist.

(as many people might be too shy to let the world know they are into something or are too busy holding their dick instead etc.

The Coins that you either got with Tokens buying them on your own or have been granted some by the artists themselves.
The coin currency would need to work both ways, with the difference that the artists would be able to buy Tokens with their
coins, last and final step for the artists would be to exchange token for actual money.

>inb4 "FEW layers"
We'd need most pyramidest scheme to pull this off yet one not autistic enough to discourage anyone doing all the hassle.

>>41793284
Why solve a problem when you can just pretend to solve a problem?

>>41792713
>Two people whose main crimes in your eyes are advocating against Western influence in the Japanese entertainment industry?
They are westerners who make daily drama videos about some irrelevant faggots on Twitter. They're not some epic warriors and defenders of Japanese culture. They are grown men fighting teenagers online.

>>41792713
They're Westerners.
They're e-celebs.
They support and promote Crunchyroll.
They are cancer no matter how "LE BASED AND REDPILLED" they are.

>>41792291
Enjoy having things you love taken away from you then.
Oh wait, you don't actually care about loli. You just pretend to like every ironic weeb, but you'd be disgusted if you played Ekikon Kenkyuukai.

>>41794333
Your 3dpd pedophilia isn't loli. Fuck off.

>>41794333
Anon if you go outside and actually advocate for shit like MAP rights, you are going to get arrested or even worse killed. This isn't being hyperbolic or anything. This shit has already been tried in the past. I like loli as much as the next guy, but I'm not willing to risk getting my asshole turned inside out over it because of overzealous payment processors. Life will go on. It's not like there isn't a near bottomless amount of lolishit out in the world already anyways.

>>41794405
>Anon if you go outside and actually advocate for shit like MAP rights, you are going to get arrested or even worse killed
Advocating for change isn't illegal.
>>41794379
Japanese lolicons would strongly disagree with you.

>>41794333
>Ekikon Kenkyuukai
Holy shit, talk about godlike taste.
>>41794379
I don't agree on his previous statement but Ekikon is a very old circle that made 2d flash games and now they do it with unity engine.

>>41794420
It doesn't matter if it is illegal you idiot. When it comes to stuff like this you are very much held in the court of public opinion. Nobody is going to shred a tear over the poor guy advocating for MAP rights if he gets his head caved in with a bat. It's just a simple truth of the world. Police/feds already don't need a reason to arrest you, but if they see spouting off some shit about MAP rights? You REALLY in your heart of hearts think they're just going to stand around and watch? Are you fucking retarded? Do you even know what NAMBLA is?

>>41794420
but advocating for raping children being legal is you retarded schlomo

>>41794420
Lemme guess, you are gonna pull a bunch of MTL tweets to prove your point while simultaneously ignoring all other evidence like the wannabe child rapist you are. Fuck off back to /a/.
>>41794433
I'm not talking about ekikon. That's good shit. It's also fictional 2d shit as opposed to the 3dpd he is advocating for.

THE WEST WAS A MISTAKE

>>41794438
Keep being a coward then, I guess.

Why can the government force me to bake a gay cake but they can’t force credit cards to let me pay for cartoon child porn?

>>41795025
The Jews hate lolis but love gay sex.

>>41794939
Go read a book why mammals don't rape other or own packs's offsprings, eventually kill them. Here let me spoil you: it's instinct, gladly on top of that we humans are ones of top brain-developed mammals and while elephants are known for long-term detail memory or dolphins having a built in radar our superpower is reasoning and ability to interpret emotions more than just instinct-based reaction.

An alpha lion is not a coward for not dicking it's cubs to death or some from other packs. In worst case scenario they maul them to death to avoid competition in the future. They do not fuck them because it makes them feel good, they have no concept of understanding consciousness (read: feelings) as we do and it's beyond us how it turned out this way, but surely /x/ will tell you 10000000000 different conspiracy theories that show how we actually evolved to current state.


Here's a little experiment for you to do:
Go up to yours someone you know dog and tell them in soothing / playful voice
I fucking hate you so much I'd kill your owner, cut him to pieces and feed him to you to give you a shoveldog.avi treatment, yeaaah c'mere boy

Then after a minute or so in aggresive and hostile, shouting tone to the same pet say:
I FUCKING LOVE YOU SO MUCH I'D STARVE TO DEATH FIRST INSTEAD OF YOU BEING HUNGRY, ILOVEYOU SOFUCKING MUUUUUUUCH"

This is what makes us apart from a subhuman thought process you express.
Doesn't it make you feel kinda stupid that a wild animal is more reasonable than you?
Can your last two surviving braincells process this long post or will your head explode from extended attention span of +30 seconds and you will burst into
>waaaa waaaa what a fucking autistic retard, I'm not reading that. wwwaaaaaa
>can't hearrr you over my safe-space's validating comments waaaa

>>41789107
Western twitter approved this censorship

>>41784608
I wish Aoba waited it out a few more years, maybe he could have been a hero.

>>41795271
Imagine getting so mad at being called a coward that you had to write this wall of text that ultimately proves nothing.
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Research:_Intergenerational_Sexual_Behaviors_in_Animals

>>41795391
>i have equal thinking pattern to a chimp and think their behavior is more developed

Do you also spontaneously take a shit in the middle of conversation when arguing with people and throw your feces at them?

>>41795391
Based chimp BTFOing pedophobic humans.

>>41795025
Jews, I think.

>>41795301
Nah, anyone evil enough to burn down KyoAni would support this shit.

>>41795287
Yes, but thanks to Musk, Western Twitter (for now) no longer controls jptwit, which is why response there has been 99% negative and angry.

>>41795391
My argument against MAP shit as a lolicon is that the trans lobby hates lolis but loves maps; therefore I can assume that the former is good but the latter is bad.

>>41797167
>as a lolicon
as a poser*
>the trans lobby hates lolis but loves maps
They don't like either. Stop getting your view of the world from retards on /pol/. Neither the left nor the right likes MAPs and they always accuse each other of being pedos.
MAPs can be conservative tradfags who want to bring back child marriage and end feminism.
MAPs can be communists who want to have gay sex with little boys dressed like little girls.

>>41797167
Holy shit >>>/pol/
Go back.

>>41797524
My understanding was that MAP was an LGBTQ thing.

>>41797531
I don't use /pol/.

>>41797558
>My understanding was that MAP was an LGBTQ thing
No, MAP is a separate thing.
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Minor_Attracted_Person
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Minor_Attracted_Person_(archive_research)

>>41797651
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX-7F4NtO58

Plus NAMBLA was a gay pride org until, what, 1994? That's why I always associate them.

>>41784608

>>41797720
Pedos and LGBT people used to march together, but that was a long time ago. Now neither wants to be associated with the other.

>>41791857
>>Loli/Guro/Etc. is just art!1
You're missing the biggest one.
Rape/noncon is also forbidden.

Something like 90% of doujinshi are noncon in some way or another.

>>41792660
Its better than having to scroll through a mile of artist's blogposts, food, and gacha rolls to find his latest half-hearted sketch without any sort of tags or visibility.

This kills the western "lolicon."

>>41798191
I've seen ironics say he was just trolling (even though he was literally RTing Kimura Hazuki pics)

>>41798175
Well Twitter is shit for posting art go figure

>>41798191
I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle in this thread, but cute+funny enjoyers like this guy and the people in the west doing child drag shows really do seem like totally separate things.

>>41798466
Doesn't matter. They're still pedos. It's just "pedos I like" vs "pedos I don't like." Yes, I don't like Desmond and dragshit either, but that doesn't mean I'm not a pedo.
The point is trying to deny the connection between lolicon and pedophilia/hebephilia is stupid.

It's all so tiresome.

>>41798511
I see things completely differently, what you're calling "pedophilia" is just a weird fetish for specific kinds of art. For me, pedophiles are people who want to, or are OK with, harming children.

Identifying as a pedophile because you like uoooh stuff is like identifying as a murderer because you like slasher movies.

I wish the mods would hammer the retard that wont shut up about real life children, keep it 2d.

>>41798580
/jp/ isn’t a 2D only board

>>41798631
And that's why the board is so bad

>>41798523
>I see things completely differently, what you're calling "pedophilia" is just a weird fetish for specific kinds of art
No, that's not how it works. Lolicon is literally synonymous with pedophile in Japanese. Every single dictionary confirms it. It is not a weird fetish that only exists in 2D like you ironics make it out to be.
>For me, pedophiles are people who want to, or are OK with, harming children.
You don't get to define what pedophilia is. Pedophilia means attraction to children. That's all it means. It has nothing to do with harming children.
>Identifying as a pedophile because you like uoooh stuff is like identifying as a murderer because you like slasher movies
Murder is a crime.
Pedophilia is not.
Why is this so hard for you ironics?
Also for your information, the guy who started the UOHHHH meme (Dorontabi/Mammoth) is an open pedo who has:
>called pedophile a compliment
>retweeted pictures of Kimura Hazuki, a real-life junior idol
>said he misses Candydoll and junior idol stuff
>traced LauraB/Kimura Hazuki pics
You westerners are alone in this delusion, and I hate how you refuse to admit it despite LARPing as epic defenders of Japan.
You could just defend loli as an art form whilst admitting pedos like it too, but no, you have to pretend to be anti-pedo on the internet like every braindead NPC normalfag with no thoughts of his own.
>>41798580
>>41798678
Shut the fuck up, newfag.

>>41798699
>only exists in 2D
That's not what I said; I said that you don't want to harm children. Going on about how the word is the same in Japanese ignores that lolicons/pedos in Japan, however you want to call them, do not harm children in any large number.

To openly identify as a word that means, in all standard English, someone who wants to harm children, makes no sense. Regardless or whether you call them "pedophiles" or "lolicons", those people aren't that.

Hate to break up the argument about pedophilia, but do we have any updates from Japanese artists about if/where they're moving?

>>41798771
>To openly identify as a word that means, in all standard English, someone who wants to harm children, makes no sense

>>41798847
In most spoken English, the term heavily implies that you are OK with harming children.

>>41784608
Surely this won't affect all artists that draw loli, rape, bestiality etc. Some of those artists will simply switch to drawing adult women with large breasts, or switch to drawing intercourse between humans only

>>41784608
At this point, they should ally themselves with the JAV industry. They stood against AV新法 (AV Law) after all.

>>41784608
Won't all the creators just move to Fantia? A lot are already there. As long as they aren't explicitly banning these things from the regular site I don't see how this affects that much. The real question is when the web hosts come for these sites.

>>41798792
What, like some universal decree?
Go check your favorite artists and see what they said. Most of mine made some kind of statement varying from "I'm immediately moving to fantia" to "I'll keep doing what I'm doing and let's see what happens after the 15th".

>>41799724
Fantia is objectively worse for navigation however, and also whatever oddity with viewing old works.

>>41799724
How does Fantia process payments?

I feel like crying....

>>41798847
I'm so gonna use that pic against ironic lolicons.

So why are they kneeling to americans?, can't they just do what fanza did and tell mastercard to stick the card up their ass?.
At this point i think someone at pixiv really want the site to be gone.

Is being a lolicon really so evil?

>>41800722
Being a lolicon = good
Being an ironic lolicon = evil
Being an anti-lolicon = also evil

>>41800658
I think they just want to keep their overseas customers because there is a fairly high amount of them compared to other Japanese websites like Fanza. But i think it's just the wrong decision anyway because this will end up killing their website.

>>41800960
The funny part is it kills even their overseas shit, as much of it has to go too.

>>41800970
Half the reason westerners even used the site was because it had less restrictions on 'controversial' content despite the mandatory censorship. If they implement the exact same rules as similar western sites those western artists now have very little reason to use pixiv instead of those, since now they're more free elsewhere.

>>41786878
they should have just went with monero, no need to reinvent the wheel

>>41800761
I can fap to cartoons without you lumping me in as an actual CP consumer so fuck off.

The content you're going to lose is not the people whose art is mostly this stuff. It's the people whose art is ~10% of this and they just decide to not make it anymore because it's not worth moving to another platform.

>>41798857
You are so close to realizing most of the hate comes from misinformation and years and years of indoctrination.

>>41800722
It always will be because it's eternally associated by society to those who harm children. There's an extra degree of seriousness when dealing socially with things relating to children's well-being. Outside of that it's also a universal human instinct to protect children. Think about how parents are seemingly chill about a lot of issues and freak out to the point of getting violent with things to do with their kids? It's doomed to be labeled as evil even as pure fiction.

>>41801103
Even in Japan lolicon are shunned and ostracized. It's not going to get any better.

> artists private info will need to be exposed in order to cash in
> buyer and seller private info including IPs will be exposed to prove such transaction in order for the seller to cash in
> exposed info will go to J-IRS and will be well documented
> J-IRS will supply info to J-allies for identification checks and stuff
> at the end everybody's being monitored.

>>41801103
>Outside of that it's also a universal human instinct to protect children. Think about how parents are seemingly chill about a lot of issues and freak out to the point of getting violent with things to do with their kids
Except in many countries many parents are still okay with marrying their kids to adult men. This is mainly a Western, mainly Anglo hysteria.

>>41790403
download all the pictures/ugoira
You can download ugoira as webm with the Pixiv Toolkit extension

>>41801015
>without you lumping me in as an actual CP consumer
Nobody's doing that, retard.

>>41801131
If you really believe that feel free to go live in a 3rd world shithole, I'll watch as the locals cave your skull in.

>>41801103
>>41801123
>It always will be because it's eternally associated by society to those who harm children.
>Even in Japan lolicon are shunned and ostracized. It's not going to get any better.
You are right. Over the years i've come to realization that only way to have lolicon stuff accepted is to relax the stigma around the real thing. It will always be associated with actual pedophilia no matter how loud lolicons scream that they are completely unrelated(they'r not). Even if you are not a true pedophile like me and don't find actual children attractive you need to recognize that we are still masturbating to the fantasy of having sex with children. This >>41791916 anon is right.

>>41801212
Yeah sure. Stay in your delusional little fantasy world.

>>41801130
That would the National Tax Agency (NTA; 国税庁) doing that.

>>41801220
It's conceptually pedophilic with a difference in aesthetic taste for those who prefer idealized aniimu girls. The conversation is stuck at "is it pedo or not" when the focus needs to be on the non exploitative nature of the material itself which is what differentiates it from actual CP. This alone has potential to open the general public up to the idea of ethical pedophilia.

>>41801131
>Except in many countries many parents are still okay with marrying their kids to adult men. This is mainly a Western, mainly Anglo hysteria.
I can confirm this used to be THE norm in my country two generations ago. Most people(especially women) would marry in their teens. Of course age of marriage and AoC kept getting raised as we embraced western culture more and more. My grandparents tell me stories how kids back then weren't as valued because people kept shitting children, there were about 5-10 of them for each family on rural areas especially and that today's kids are really spoiled and receive everything from their parents. I don't see why it can't be reversed back as this is mainly a cultural thing and most of the outrage i believe is artificial because some powerful people make it their goal to globally push back against traditional marriages and push for AoC via activist groups like feminists, bribe politicians to pass laws and fund media corporations to push their ideals.

>>41800761
What is this weird ass psyop all of a sudden to try and make it seem like everybody is now supportive of 3d shit, fuck off back to /tv/

>>41801279
Actually he's that one faggot from /a/ that everyone else on that board hates.

>>41801271
For this to happen, you first need to get western lolicons to accept that loli is in fact pedophilic and not denounce pedophilia at any given opportunity.

>>41801353
I think if you constantly harp on how pedo it is, it will only drive them away. You have to get them to understand that consuming loli does not make you a predator.

>>41801431
>You have to get them to understand that consuming loli does not make you a predator.
But lolicons themselves already believe in that. It's the antis that don't.

>>41801443
I don't know, I've seen plenty of self hating lolicons who accept that they have pedo tendencies but shit on themselves and other lolicons for being evil.

>>41801464
I suppose this goes back to my original point of relaxing the stigma around it and teaching them pedophilia is not necessarily evil. Of course they are going to believe they're evil if no one dares to offer them an alternate viewpoint. I've been through a similar situation myself.

>>41801240
You really don't understand the dynamic of those countries if you think they would accept a rapist like you.

>>41801608
He won't be accepted but not for the reasons you think. You probably haven't been outside US/EU.

>>41801546
Society is driving itself insane from unprecedented pedo hysteria. It's hard to even discuss the topic without someone shouting you down and threatening you. So when people start talking about MAP rights and abolishing the AoC, it's not going to make it easier to preserve loli. If you want to keep your right to look at weird cartoons you have to start with an anti contact stance, or you'll lose everything.

>>41801131
>in many countries many parents are still okay with marrying their kids to adult men
youre right anon this is why i love my country and my religion (islam)
>feel free to go live in a 3rd world shithole, I'll watch as the locals cave your skull in
i love it when pedos from 1st world counties cope and say shit like "muh muh 3rd world country shithole1!1!" bro just accept the fact that your country and ppl will never accept you as a pedo while i can marry 4 lolis and make a harem

If Afghanistan is such a lovely place why don't you move there

>>41804081
i dont need to go there im in iraq anon and life is good sorry to break your view but not every country that accepts pedos is a war zone

Ah yes the land of sunshine and rainbows: Iraq. As close to a utopia as we can get.

Every man across the globe is beyond envious of the men of Iraq for fucking children in a paradise country with no terrorism, warfare, crime or anything else. Iraq is what every country strives to be.

>>41804103
>with no terrorism, warfare, crime or anything else
unironically yes, was this country a warzone and a shithole before? yes but life is good now i dont know how westerns can not understand it, countries heal over time anon

>>41804121
A quick search shows that it got a terrorist attack 4 days ago and was attacked by Iran yesterday.

>>41804277
shit youre right but its not like its a warzone, life is still good

>thread about how Japan is (once again) being fucked over by the West
>half of the replies are a guy persistently defending wanting to fuck real children
Maybe we deserve what we get...

>>41806407
Who are you quoting?

>>41806609
Meme arrows can be used to summarize and paraphrase, not just to directly quote.

>>41806911
Not in /jp/.

>>41806407
He's a bad actor possibly glowing.

>>41807045
>possibly glowing
because every pedophile is a federal agent

>>41806407
I would glady accept losing all access to japanese media if by doing so would also get any western influence out of japan.
Collateral damage for the greater good

So this just affects the parts of pixiv that involve the passage of money, not the whole site.?
I don't have to start downloading and hoarding all the art I like before it gets nuked?

>>41809288
For now. But you should hoard anyway just in case. Nevermind that even before this japs love to randomly delete all their stuff.

>>41809288
You should still be hoarding and cataloging any and all art you like.

Did anyone get clarification from Pixiv on just how much they are going to remove? I would think artists who have a ton of shit on their site would have asked questions and have gotten answers.
There are still artists who haven't removed anything just because Pixiv has not clarified if 2D is going to get axed as well.

>>41807058
No, but every fed is a pedo

>>41809288
pixiv premium exists so its just a matter of time till visa/mastercard say remove it from the site entirely instead of just for direct transactions.

Damn. Both Twitter and Pixiv are gone....

>>41810183
I thought Elon saved JP Twitter?

>>41810183
>twitter is gone
Isn't that a good thing? It's a pain in the ass to find artwork there. They also censor art. Perhaps Japanese artists will move to a decent platform now.

>>41810183
no...

>>41810564
>Isn't that a good thing
Think about all the art that's saved there. (You) need to archive your favorite artist's art before they are gone forever

>>41810528
he practically removed the Twatter filter for Japanese, before they would see lots of political and Korea-related news because old Twatter was working with some sort of organization behind the scene

>>41809659
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/76681f7256f345545097c7ae4fdbdef9ba754560
Only thing I've seen which claims to have any response from pixiv.

>>41784656
based, i think i will do this even if my art is shit

>>41811938
Who benefits from trying to shove Korean news onto the Japanese?

>>41815117
The same people who shoved HuffPo Japan to the top of everyone's feed every day.

>>41814022
if you do link it babe
/jp/ artist webring

What I can't tell after everything is this: do they mean REAL depictions, or do they mean "any artwork containing these fetishes"?

Like I would assume artwork, but at the same time I believe the terms of service always said "no CP etc" which, duh. As in, no real depictions. Which is it? It sounds like Japanese people are confused too

>>41784656
So many artists lost progress on some wips due to not using redundancy do you really think most artists even have the knowledge on how to self host?

>>41816598
It's ambiguous and that's why it is confusing

>>41816624
Like if they just mean "real things" I sleep. I could believe if it included "all sorts of porn" because at the very least I do know paypal to be fucking obnoxious and up in arms over porn.

>>41816643
You'll find out with the rest of us on the 15th. Just be prepared for and expect the worst and plan accordingly.

>>41816650
Nothing will personally have an effect on me really, though I worry about all the loli and incest artists I follow simply since I know that fanbox helps their livelihoods.

I really don't want some mass exodus to fantia or patreon. Both of those sites are horrid. Fanbox is weirdly great all things considered (especially since you can mass download off of it)

>>41785764
>>41786731
It makes sense tho. A few weeks ago i started getting a glimpse on a few works posted on the normal nsfw pixiv itself where they had these uncanny valley realistic looking ai photos. At first i thought someone just deep faked faces of celebrities onto their 3D renders but apparently not.

As long as 種付おじさんNTR is still allowed i'm fine.

>>41816598
You are insane if you think america hasn't been trying to ban loli manga for the last decade, the fact they are doing this is exactly because they also consider the 2D one bad.

does this mean we'll see more people uploading stuff from fantia instead of fanbox on kemono?

>>41784608
Twitter... oh wait

Reminder that MAP rights will be accepted worldwide by 2030.

>>41788551
Then give a solution you morón.

>>41792785
Fuck, I miss Charlotte Tinami in the mid 2000s.

>>41793481
Why not just make it legal? It used to be. But it has to be heavily regulated and no sexual intercouse.

>>41800722
Yes.

Thank you for the credits.

>>41809288
>>41809352
I am hoarding R-18 right now.

>>41817943
Gross. Porn stars and camwhores are gross, you don't need children madeup and fakeassed and tattooed like them. 3D professional/paid for porn should all be illegal.

>>41817728
The hebes will hang the pedo

>>41809352
That's a lot of fucking art, anon.

>>41818164
>The hebes will hang the pedo
Yeah, sure. People who are attracted to 11-year-old will hang people who are attracted to 10-year-olds. Makes perfect sense.

>>41816870
?

While there are absolutely institutions/companies/persons within America that are angry about loli manga by default it can't be banned within the US and certainly not without, even if payment processors try to hamper it. And, even if there are people who want to hamper things via payment processing, it's never as targeted as "just loli", it's all porn because of fundamentalist puritanical garbage.

>>41818164
You have to be a fag or a woman.

>>41817728
But at what cost?

>>41818189
It can happen.

>>41816598
I think the past 10 years of what America has been doing to Japanese culture should answer that question for you.

>>41818880
>#MeToo
Will we ever truly grasp the breadth and severity of the damage this bullshit inflicted on those poor unprepared islands?

>>41818880
Not really relevant here/you should really look at Japan's history of harumphing about porn regardless of America's influence. They have an incredibly long history of blaming media for crimes or just saying it's indicative of degeneracy. Obviously. Don't put America on some magic pedestal, people can morally aggrandize all on their own without some insidious influence. Thankfully, perverts make money in Japan, so like anywhere the harumphing really just winds up largely being political plays in order to try to garner attention/favor

By the way I don't think Shinkai, a popular hack, should be indicative of much of anything anyway.

>>41818924
>They have an incredibly long history of blaming media for crimes or just saying it's indicative of degeneracy.
Yes, but pontificating about long-gone edicts from the 1600's (ignoring that most of the Edo period was drowning in mass produced smut) or laws drawn up in the 1890's (which most artists ignored) or wartime censorship (openly challenged by 1943) or Allied-inspired/imposed censorship (that became something of a joke by the 1980's) doesn't change the fact that the current regime of censorship in Japan since circa 2016 has been pushed by large global banks and ESG funds and their pets in America, not by anything remotely native to Japan. They've also been a lot more successful; imagine a lewd artist in 1670 or 1890 or 1950 saying that he felt scared or ashamed looking at his own work.

>>41818981
This happened to booty Royale guy

>>41818924
>Japan's history of harumphing about porn
The guy who drew pic related produced fucking mountains of yaoi and tentacle shit and loli hentai and bragged about it. He would literally use his prints to shill his hentai 4komas and shit. That stuff actually IMPROVED his reputation.

>>41819010
Wasn't that because of his wife?

>>41818981
I don't deny that there are efforts I'm just not particularly concerned because mercifully there's one thing the smut/"degenerate fiction" industry has in Japan that it doesn't elsewhere: way more fucking money, and money isn't easy to deny

I'd love to say it's morals or creators fighting the good fight, but really, it's money. I think that popular works will kowtow to American influence because they make American money, but if I want to continue enjoying things like Tsugumomo I don't need to be particularly concerned yet.

>>41819020
I'm aware but again, look it up. Hell you have a smattering of talk in this post >>41818981

>>41819047
>there's one thing the smut/"degenerate fiction" industry has in Japan that it doesn't elsewhere: way more fucking money
You know who has more money than every single company in Japan combined? ESG funds.

>>41819071
I'll worry if there comes to be something to worry about. Mercifully Japan actually does have the additional factor of people with sense willing to combat retarded bills and practices. Corruption is inevitable, but for mass entertainment I have less concern.

>>41819091
Half of Japan's foreign currency reserves are directly managed by BlackRock. Nintendo has SanFran ESG people among the shareholders. Kawasaki has banned "hate speech", Tokyo just legalized same-sex """partnerships""", large portions of the school system have banned skirts, etc, etc.

No one is coming to save us but us. We either get a win or we lose.

>>41819146
I don't think gay marriage is an issue, sorry. Nor do I think there's anything wrong with curbing slander or hate.

As for skirt banning, whatever. Tokyo also stopped banning forcing people to dye their hair black if they don't have black hair, is that bad?

You can make a slippery slope off of all that if you like. I know that eventually people get retarded, but if you want to open up the can of worms that is transexuality I have the vague hope that eventually the many dipshits blindly supporting it will finally see the money behind it and the cult that it is will be too plain to see for even the most dumbfuck ignorants to ignore.

>>41819188
>stopped forcing*
I think I had a strong, the "banning" shouldn't be there

>>41819146
>Kawasaki, home to one of the largest Korean communities in the greater Tokyo area, seeks to effectively fight discrimination with the ordinance by giving specific examples of what it is trying to stamp out.

>Actions specified include calling for minorities to be expelled from where they live, encouraging physical attacks against them and pejoratively referring to them as something other than a human.

Anon, what problem do you have with this?

>>41819233
>had a strong
yeah I must be having a stroke

>>41819188
>>41819242
These are the sorts of people that'll eventually lose everything they care about then start crying about how nobody warned them or helped them despite conversations like this.

>>41819298
I believe they are just faggots arguing in bad faith.

>>41819298
>>41819313
Typical slippery slope morons who think any change is bad but would also fight tooth and nail for the right to have weekends and holidays only afforded by changes they would have hissed and screamed about over 100 years ago.

The true faggots, if you will. The pussies.

>>41819313
Conveniently, his response confirms it.

>>41819327
dude your posts are pathetic and nobody falls for it, you are not "le master manipulator" you are bad at it

>>41819327
Change is not automatically good, you retard
Things should always be looked at on a case by case basis

>>41819340
>>41819348
What? Is this a schizo response assuming that I'm a bad faith actor? Me, who called the transexuality movement a fucking cult? Yeah, that's exactly like the image posted.

Retards.

>>41819356
Exactly, what the fuck are you telling ME that for?

Change isn't automatically bad, either. You hiss and scream about what, faggots? Gays? They've been around for the entirety of human history.

>>41819357
>Fellow epic fourchanners of the japanese culture subreddit, don't you hate trannies? Yeah me too!
>btw it's good that japan is getting even more westernized!

>>41819376
That isn't what I said. Strawman however much you like, schizo. This is what politics do to your brain, people. You see shit and grow delusional. Nice.

>>41819376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan

>>41819362
They've always existed, and have always been responsible for the majority of child molestations
They're hated for a reason

>>41819403
Wow, are we going into the nonsensical "THEY'RE ALL PEDOPHILES" shit? Because we can forget how many parents and older diddle their children and younger family members that way, right?

Child molesters are child molesters. They can be gay or not gay, obviously, and unfortunately there are loads of them.

>>41819188
>>41819242
People like you are why causes lose.

>>41819398
>people in Japan have always done X therefore it's OK when the west uses X as justification to push social change
People in Japan have eaten grasshoppers in times of famine for thousands of years; you gonna use that as a defense if the government tries to force them to eat bug loaf because of the econ crisis?

>Letting someone obviously not from /jp/ bait you into a political discussion by defending westerners and saying not to care about this issue
Use your brain and don't reply.

>>41819188
>I have the vague hope that eventually the many dipshits blindly supporting it will finally see the money behind it
lmao no they'll be shouted down by enablers like you who justify every step down the staircase

>>41819436
Shut the fuck up. I'm the only one here who's actually familiar with Japanese history, apparently.

>>41819433
>People like you are why causes lose.
People like you are why you get pushed around by corporations and psyops who play on how easily influenced you are.

>>41819448
>they'll be shouted down by enablers like you
Literally not enabling anything. However, your "us versus them" black and white mentality is exactly what caused transexuality to gain a foothold in the first place by being present as a clear "enemy" to manufacture a "victim" image.

>>41819433
>>people in Japan have always done X therefore it's OK when the west uses X as justification to push social change
The argument was that "now" homosexuality is a thing in Japan even though it always has been, so calling it a purely western push is blind and giving America way more credit than it deserves

>>41819313
So 8-bit indie games are bad but big-name AAA games are also bad?

>>41819433
Dude there's no point in arguing on the merits with these people, they are not being honest, it only makes sense to argue against the person itself, not the points he is making.

>>41819384
>muh strawman
Yes, you are acting, you are being fake, not a real honest person, so you will be treated as an inanimate object.
>>41819505
Another example of dishonesty, that was never the argument.
It's clear you hate japan and want to push for anything that can weaken it, you are not good at hiding it.

Holy shit, this thread is full of low-IQ subhuman Hero Hei subscribers and westerners LARPing as Japanese nationalists.

>>41819476
>how easily influenced you are
People threw this same insult at the Meiji Emperor; it means NOTHING.

>your "us versus them" black and white mentality
Got it; we can win if we just pretend the other side isn't playing.

>>41819505
I said "same sex """partnerships"""", not homosexual behavior; stop dishonestly reframing.

>>41819527
>westerners LARPing as Japanese nationalists
Ironically, accusing someone of being incapable of being a Japanese nationalist based on their ethnicity is now illegal in Kawasaki. Delete your post.

>>41819527
If anything it's filled with westerners that hate what the west has become, and what it's doing to the rest of the world, as anyone should.

>>41819516
>Yes, you are acting, you are being fake
This is so embarrassing. I honestly just feel sorry for you, but if it's any consolation your sense of paranoia isn't unique so you'll always have likeminded sheep to follow along with your easily workable brain.

>It's clear you hate japan
I literally live in Japan.

I can predict the response that "I am trying to exert western influence on Japan" but I buy porn here by the truckload.

I can predict the response that it's easy to lie on the internet, because you're too small brained to understand that people can live outside of your narrow political cages.

>>41819536
>we can win
>we
>win
If you think you're fighting a cultural war, you've already played into the hands of the NWO and have lost.

>>41819544
I don't care where you live; you are making apologetics for changes to Japanese society that are bad on a board full of people who find those changes bad.

>If you think you're fighting a cultural war, you've already played into the hands of the NWO and have lost.
Oh, OK, cool; thanks for reminding me that I'm not allowed to care about anything that's been arbitrarily declared a "culture war".

>>41819601
>thanks for reminding me that I'm not allowed to care about anything that's been arbitrarily declared a "culture war"
No, you fucking doomer shitheel: if you play the rules of THEIR war, YOU lose.

DON'T PLAY BY THE RULES
DON'T BE IN A BOX

It's that fucking simple, dumbass. Do you even know how easy it is to cut through people's bullshit once you stop subscribing to their stupid, simplistic, base narratives? Of course you don't, because you live inside them and succumb to them.

>>41788181
>>41785975
>Monero
My niggas

>>41819544
>you're too small brained to understand that people can live outside of your narrow political cages
I've called your act many posts ago, dishonest retard, you are bad at this.
>you've already played into the hands of the NWO and have lost
Ok, so how do we oppose the influence of the evil super secret super evil NWO that you dislike so much?
>No, wait, that would be a cultural war! Which is silly! You are not supposed to do that! That's what they want! Just defend everything that's happening! In fact it's not even happening in the fist place!
So which one is it, am I being played by the supposed all-powerful scary NWO or not?
How can you argue for and against the concept of an evil external influence on japan in the same sentence?
You are literally made of straw, my man.

>>41819619
>I've called your act
Seriously, I just feel sorry for you.

I mean I see this all the time though so whatever. Keep being predictable because it's exactly what they want and it's why you can't get anywhere. Your frustration and discontent is fuel to a power you're only vaguely aware of.

>>41819614
>doomer
Being a realist isn't being a fucking "doomer"; it's just planning for the future! That's normal and good and important!

>DON'T PLAY BY THE RULES
Oh, wow; why didn't I think of that? It's like my enemies now have no money at all!

>>41819626
>I am opposed to the imaginary NWO that is trying to destroy japan
>this is why I support everything america is pushing overtly
Are you fucking serious?

>>41819626
>Your frustration and discontent is fuel to a power you're only vaguely aware of.
says the guy defending fucking BlackRock and the UN's SDG plans for Japan lmao

>>41819643
You are the only person supporting America here. America is the thing pushing this woke garbage. To support or downplay that is to support them.

>>41819619
>How can you argue for and against the concept of an evil external influence on japan in the same sentence?
Easily because while you can recognize that there is corruption you can also recognize where there is not corruption and via reasoned discourse and abandonment of dogma present something not charged with emotion but instead powered by truth.

Y'know, how Japan has kept creative freedom alive for a century.

>>41819637
You can be aware of issues and combat them without falling into the traps of psychological warfare which have been open and public record for decades.

>>41819643
>>>this is why I support everything america is pushing overtly
>>41819645
>>says the guy defending fucking BlackRock and the UN's SDG plans for Japan lmao
see none of this ever happened, but because you live in their boxes you see what the spun narrative wants you to see. Direct contradiction of binary politica is not in the narrative

>>41819614
>Don't be in a box you fucking doomer zoomer coomer

This guy is supporting gay marriage, filling Japan up with Koreans, and other anti-Japanese cultural shifts and you seriously think he's not shitposting and is worth talking to.

>>41819651
>>41819653
Again, every word you say is dishonest, just a few posts ago you openly supported what you now refer as "woke garbage"
There's no point in arguing with your points, it leads nowhere, it's only worthwhile to argue against your person.

You have been exposed and you suck at lying.

>>41819718
Same sex marriage isn't "woke", I don't agree with your narrative of simply slapping T onto LGB, tranny.

>>41819721
>he reframed it AGAIN
It's the third framing of this specific issue in just a handful of posts, that has to be a record!

>>41819740
Don't stop believing

>>41819749
Hold on to that seethin'

Nice pixiv thread retards

>>41819837
It's not happening in a vacuum

I'm ok with this. All discovery functions on fanbox were/are dogshit anyway.

If Pixiv and twitter both go down, what are the chances that whatever replaces them has a better tagging system?

>>41820023
Better than twitter? 100%
Better than Pixiv? 10% at best.

>>41820023
100%. I'm working on the successor site right now.

>>41820023
You can add missing tags on pixiv. Everyone can create new new tags.

>>41820914
Pixiv's tagging system isn't really good, all it would have to do is make tags actually consistent instead of letting people make new ones on the fly. Maybe let users tag things too like a booru.

>>41820023
It sounded crazy but Elon Musk might be pushing for a pixiv alternative.

>>41820995
It's not that Pixiv's tagging system is good, it's that I have zero faith that whatever replaces it will be any better.

>>41819327
Theres only so many times you can call slippery slope a fallacy before we're at the bottom.

>>41821063
Musk will allow loli, guro, beastiality, and incest hentai content too, right? Based.

>>41821401
The way you worded it makes it so unbelievable lol. He could just not explicitly ban them and create a workaround to the MasterCard/ Visa fiasco with crypto or some shit. Most nip artists are already promoting their artwork on Twitter so it would be convenient for them to transfer.

Skeb is already directly integrated with twitter

>>41819527
I call them election tourists.

>>41821401
Doubt. He won't even unban Alex Jones

>>41792956
yes, now go back
>>41793018
>I've been here long enough that I remember when being 'from' a board didn't really mean anything because people tended to use more than one.
go back to /a/ has been here since day one, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>41828671
He probably has some personal beef with Alex Jones. It can't be because of his statements about Sandy Hoax, can it? Is there one person ITT who believes the financial scam that is Sandy Hook or the greedy parents who have profited off their alleged dead children for nearly a decade? Criticizing Jones for making money off the tragedy and exploitation is the pot calling the kettle black.

Always good to end a thread with a /pol/tard.

>>41829810
To be fair anon, whether you agree with him or not on whatever the fuck he's talking about, the legality of lolicon content is innately a political issue. We can't dodge that forever.

>>41829819
Yeah, but it's not a "muh left vs muh right" issue. There are plenty of rightards who hate anime.

I don't even browse /pol/, faggot. The guy just brought about Alex Jones and the scandal that he's been in and I just had to get my five cents in. Fuck the parents of Sandy Hook. They're the true exploitationers here. They've made millions upon millions of dollars off that shooting, not including this latest lawsuit against Jones. They've been granted millions of dollars by General Electric Capital. They've been granted millions of dollars by the Obama administration. They've been awarded millions of dollars in lawsuits against the gun manufacturers. They filed a lawsuit against estate of Nancy Lanza. They made hundreds of thousands of dollars off donation funds that many of the family members have done yearly. Shootings happen in the US daily (just like today). Many will not have received any form of compensation. Many will struggle just to fund the funeral cost. What makes the Sandy Hook parents so different, so special, as to have exploited Sandy Hook for a near decade now without any criticism whatsoever?

>>41829819
>whatever the fuck he's talking about
Just calling a liar a liar
>>41829889
I don't think he's referring to your single, one-off post.

Once again, before this thread dies:
Fuck ironic lolicons
Fuck anti-lolicons/anti-pedos
Fuck normalfags
Fuck haglovers
Fuck Twitterfags
Fuck /pol/tards
Fuck kids (literally)

>>41829010
My guess is that Musk just isn't ready to admit that Jones was right because that entails a deal of pessimism/hopelessness that Musk, autist he is, doesn't want to entertain. I understand, even if I don't agree.

>>41829875
Name any who actually matter.

>>41829889
This. My patience with these guys has run out; they're clearly just mouthpieces for the security state at this point.

>>41798523
This guy gets it

>>41830722
see >>41798699