/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Isn't the Nameless One immortal? So it should say "immortality"

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It's not that I don't like reading VNs or watching movies, but I hate when lol grindan, exploran, backtrackan, chose "attack" from menu, keeps me from adwancing the story.

Missed /v/, bro.

Oh look it's a biased comparison, something we have never seen before!

go away /v/

>>4118927
suigin i dont believe you're really argentinian

>>4118927
suigin i dont believe you're really jones

>>4118884
>He plays computer RPGs for the story.

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>>4118927
reported for NSFW content.

Actually, the Antagonist in FF7 is JENOVA and not Sephiroth. And even if it were him, he's in his 30s and hardly a kid anymore.
I agree with everything else.

>YOURSELF
FFFF WHAT I WAS GOING TO PLAY THAT

All of the games on the right are terrible. Fallout 3? Oblivion with guns. And even less land and even less quests and even more of environments that all look the same, but it's okay since it's a post-apocalyptic world and everything is supposed to be like that. Also extremely annoying 1950's/1960's shit. Overall, worst setting ever.

Bioshock, terrible gameplay. Go to point X, killing some guys on the way. Point X closes off, need to go to point Y to open point X. Repeat. Nothing else. Also has that fucking annoying 1950s/1960s setting shit. I want to tear the head off that happy go luck shit. If I hear the name Mary one more time...

>KOTOR
Actually good. Like all Bioware RPGs.

>Torment
Haven't played.

>>4118884
OP, I noticed a few mistakes in your pic, I fixed it for you.

>>4118966
Actually, the antagonist in FF7 was the mad scientist, whatever his name was.

>>4119005
Go play torment right now.

>>4119005
>games on the right.
Derp. I mean the left. Then again I can't say it for th elast one. I haven't played any JRPGs

>>4118928
me neither

>>4119011
Hell no. JENOVA was there long before Hojo.

>Bioshock
>RPG
I see...

>>4119020
JENOVA is a retarded alien that only moves by instinct.
Hojo planned all of that shit.

>finding the same thread on /v/
>85 posts and 10 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
>active shitstorm going on
Why am I not surprised?

>>4119006
NYX in Persona 3 was not fucking christian god it was a Greek one pre christinity..

>>4119006
Either way, the antagonist is still always some EPIC ULTIMATE EVIL MONSTER/GOD. Be a little more inventive. Thinking of more ways to make your antagonist seem massively epic and all-powerful is not the way to go.

>>4118884
>>4119006
With your powers combined...

>>4119032
There is at least 5 of those every day on /v/.

Video games are for children.

>>4119031
I was going by the SMT games I have played, not the ones I haven't played (i.e. Persona 3)

>>4119014
Torment was fucking boring grinding

>>4119064
If you ever have to grind, you're doing it wrong.

>>4119064
This. There was a good story in there, but I didn't have the patience to sit through the game in order to read it.

Should have just written a book/made a VN.

>>4119047
4chan is for children

I like Japan because I've had enough of Western culture, because I fucking live here.

>>4119028
Hojo planned nothing; JENOVA did. Hojo was just a puppet whose only purpose was to create Sephiroth whose purpose was to help JENOVA get to another planet for whatever reason.
But why am I even discussing with you? You are too stupid to fully understand such a DEEP game. Stick to your Touhou and Eroge.

FF7 is the worst title on that list, stop discussing this shitty game.

>>4119064
>>4119070
Whathow.
Why would you ever grind? Besides all the random battles than you can just walk away from, there are only two fights in the entire game that you HAVE to fight; a zombie in the mortuary in the beginning of the game, and a guard in Curst for a key much later on. Everything else can be talked out of. Yes, even the final boss.
Protip: Start game, dump all your stat points into WIS. Once that reaches 20, do the same with INT and CHA. Then get the three to 25. Everything else? Worthless.

I mean, damn, one previous incarnation of the Nameless One even debated a guy into nonexistence. You aren't supposed to be fighting.

It's an unfair comparison, though; there's enough text in Torment to call it an english visual novel with RPG elements thrown in.

>>4119168
The entire game is a grind.

Grind being defined here as 'a boring prolonged and unpleasant experience of clicking constantly in order to get a small reward'.

The only thing I wanted to do was move the story along and read the dialogue. Everything else in the game bored me to tears.

>>4119179
That's fine. Let's continue on our ways and not have a shitstorm about it.

>>4119179
>>Grind being defined here as 'a boring prolonged and unpleasant experience of clicking constantly in order to get a small reward
Would you mind expanding? How would it be any different from, say, 'grinding' in Sengoku Rance?

>>4119193
I've never played that game, so I can't really comment.

In most RPGs that I enjoy the combat system is well-developed enough that there is actual strategy involved and it's not just a clickfest. And no, I didn't like Diablo.

A terrible producer who stole your senpai's heart.

Final Fantasy Legend - GOD
Persona 3 - GOD
Star Ocean 3 - GOD

And by the way :3-kun, Jenova is a mindless virus and Sephiroth was the one controlling her. Go read Ultimania again.

>>4119210
Ah, makes sense that you'd dislike Torment, then. The actual gameplay doesn't get much any marks for interactivity..
>>4119070
>>Should have just written a book/made a VN.
Some googling tells that this was done, but apparently with an unusually high amount of adaptation decay.

>>4119224

Japan must hate God or something.

>>4119210
>In most RPGs that I enjoy the combat system is well-developed enough that there is actual strategy involved and it's not just a clickfest.

You could have shortened it to "I prefer jRPG".

>>4119237
This is awesome. Source?

>>4119246
There are western RPGs that I would consider to have an intelligent combat system, I just can't think of any off the top of my head to namedrop.

>>4119224
>Jenova is a mindless virus and Sephiroth was the one controlling her
I think I, who have played the game countless times and read every single line of dialogue text, unlocked everything there is to unlock and seen eveything there is to see, know more about FF7 than some random game guide authors; even if those authors work for Square. And therefore I can tell you that what you wrote there is utter bullshit.

>>4119246
But that wouldn't make any sense since JRPGs have atrocious gameplay.

>>4119311
>tripfag thinks he knows everything

>>4119005 good. Like all Bioware RPGs.

The problem is that hardly any western RPGs have really *interesting* battles. Most "hard" battles primarily consist of a big enemy with lots of HP, and nothing particularly interesting to bring up strategy.

Western RPGs win in general because the gameplay is not as universally shit, but they seem to have dropped strategy at the door and forgotten about it.

Touhou Labyrinth, oddly enough, was a big refresher for me, since it brough back those days of really freaking hard boss fights where you have to think everything through in order to win.

Random encounters can still go suck a dick though.

>>4119402
Hard games might hurt people's feelings, so western game designers make sure they never accidentally make a game that isn't insultingly easy.

The last hard game I played from the west was STALKER, and that was fucking Ukrainian.

>>4119416
>STALKER
>hard
What.

>>4119416

The annoying thing is that often even when a game *is* hard, it just requires sheer luck and determination to beat as opposed to real strategy.

And yes, STALKER was incredibly. It's up on my list as the 3rd best FPS-RPG, behind System Shock 2 and Deus Ex. Too bad Clear Sky sorta sucked.

GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

>>4119416

The annoying thing is that often even when a game *is* hard, it just requires sheer luck and determination to beat as opposed to real strategy.

And yes, STALKER was incredibly good, and actually challenging from time to time. It's up on my list as the 3rd best FPS-RPG, behind System Shock 2 and Deus Ex. Too bad Clear Sky sorta sucked.

GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

If you want a hard game that makes you think things through, try chess or go.

Or go learn a real skill instead of pining for hard games. Cooking is a nice one.

>>4119445

Or a good RTS, or any good turn-based strategy game (Civilization, looking at you here).

>>4119359
I do, buddy. Trust me.

>>4119445
FORGET EVERYTHING YOU KNEW TO BE TRUE AND PLAY TETRIS. THE ULTIMATE STRATEGY GAME.

>>4119465
You ever watched high-level tetris play? Don't joke about that shit.

>>4119420
Did you ever play it on Expert? God damn.
>>4119430
Clear Sky was kind of disappointing. I've been replaying SoC with Oblivion Lost lately, and have been very impressed.
>>4119450
Civilization was pretty good but as you get better it becomes increasingly obvious that the only way the AI can keep up with you is by getting absurd bonuses.

I hate all RPGs. Enjoy your grindfests.

>>4119480

In large part, I think that's part of the challenge: bonuses in a Civ game are *fine* as long as they're obvious to the player. Silent cheating is obnoxious, but if all the computers get a small happiness/health/production bonus, that's just a handicap.

>>4119480
I forgot to mention, a good strategy game I've been playing lately is Europa Universalis 3. shit is so cash The AI seems capable of handing my ass to me if I'm particularly careless without having +400% production or free technology or other crazy Civ shit and it's pretty fucking complex.

>>4119480 Oblivion Lost

>>4119493
Problem, Putin?

>>4119485

EU3 looks wayyyy too micro-heavy for me. My least favorite part of Civ has always been managing 30 cities, and EU3 seems like that times 10.

>>4119480
>Did you ever play it on Expert? God damn.

Medpacks everywhere, no one can hit you from 20+ meters. Only grenades or bloodsuckers (if you're blind) can kill you.

>>4119499
It's pretty damn heavy but it seems it isn't as bad as it looks. I learned to play using tiny countries in the middle of nowhere, like Indian kingdoms and small southeast Asian countries. I've moved onto playing as Japan now and I think I'm doing pretty well despite having quite a few provinces and being a major power in my region.

Superior to both WRPGs and JRPGs.

>>4119311
Cool story bro.

>>4119507
Yeah, I remember medpacks being pretty munchy too. In OL they aren't so bad, mostly because they're rare as fuck outside of the traders and the traders completely stiff you when it comes to prices. Which, aside from being challenging, is pretty much what they'd do in real life, having a monopoly on health kits and shit.

>>4119485
I love playing Victoria because the AI can be particularly challenging, both in and out of war. Nothing like winning a war against a major power, thinking you're hot shit cause you've got the largest military in the world and a great industrial base, only to wake up one day to find half of continental Europe has decided to declare war on your ass through a web of alliances because you pissed them all off one way or another over the last decade or two.

On Normal difficulty, at that.

>>4119812
Yeah, Paradox games have a way of making you think you're some kind of mastermind chessmaster on the level of Light Yagami and then suddenly it turns out you're not as clever as you thought and you ACTIVATE THE AI'S TRAP CARD.

>>4119958
Go back to /a/.

>>4119976

>>4118881
Fuck off with your moronic attacks 24/7 at www.anon
talk.com. We don't want you there, retards. Got it already?

>>4118883
Fuck off with your moronic attacks 24/7 at www.anon
talk.com. We don't want you there, retards. Got it already?

My god, everyone in this thread is retarded. It's like I'm really on /v/.

That said, go discuss this in one of the 10 daily threads they have there.

>>4119006
See guys? Anything can look bad if you look at them narrow-mindedly.

Thanks for reminding us how shitty /jp/ is, /v/.

>>4119958

Question to the EUfags.

I'm playing as England and I just conquered Scotland--I'm occupying every single territory, yet I still haven't "won" and if I sue for peace, I can't get them to give me their capital.

How do I actually "win" the war and get the new territory?

>>4120665
occupy india and all their bases in the pacific and destroy 75% of their industrial capacity

>>4120672

hurr hurr

>>4120665
Should be an option for annexation in Scotland's diplomacy panel.

>>4120665
IIRC you can't take the capital in the first war, unless it's the only province they have.

>>4120665
You can't conquer Scotland. What were you thinking?