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I've noticed this too, I've been top tier in several games, but never an elitist cocksucker to people.

Because they have to play shitty characters like Ciel to be competitive.

welcome to the world of competitive gaming.

>melty blood
>being treated as a competitive game


Truthfully, that's how it is with all fighting games. Tierwhores, 'pros' and experts are faggots because being friendly to someone means...GASP...THEY MIGHT GET BETTER!

Then who will they look down on and act like they're better than in a game where 2a2a2a2a2a2a is a basic combo chain?!


What I want to know is why everyone bitches and pokes fun at full moon style Roa. What's the matter, my high damage, simple combos not SOKO DAROU enough for you?

>>4117963
It's not just Meltan fans, my friend. I'm afraid that I really don't have any sort of speculation as to the reason, though; I suppose they're just difficult people in general.

>>4117963
>but most of the competitive players are.
This can be said of all competitive fightan gaemz, even shitty Super Smash Bros.

>>4117988
this can be said of any competitive game, where competition means a game in which two or more people play each other.
video games attract a large amount of elitist faggotry,
Rhythm games definitely do, HARDCORE FPS GAEMERS are also such.

Another thing that bothers me is how they use stupid slang like hype and overuse the word scrub.

>>4117988
Don't even get me started on smash bros.
Or Marvel.

I play MvC2 casually because it's a button mash clusterfuck of shit only worth the fanservice in my opinion. But goons out there think it's a real fighter.

So does anyone know at all about my Roa question? And if there's going to be a MBAA pc port at all?

>>4117984
Wait, so Meltan is still 2a -> launcher -> air combo -> air throw? I was thinking about trying AA, too. ;_;

Fui and jiyuna at the very least didn't act like assholes to their opponents I think. Aside from Sion (at this point his dickery is just moe anyway) I never really noticed any assholes in /jp/ when meltan was more actively played back then.

>>4118007
AA is pretty fun, it changed a bit yes, but the 2a spamming air launcher shit is still present.

I think that's why I enjoy the Full Moon Roa and such. Less on combo whoring faggotry, more on hard hitting short lived chains.

Still hate how fucking Nero's entire game revolves around jumping and spamming C. I don't recall him doing that at all vs Shiki...

>>4118018
Real Nero isn't a scrub.

>>4118018
I was a Miyako main in AC, but eventually just quit do to the matches being who can land their pokes -> air combos more consistently. It hurts to say, but I just couldn't 2a with the pros. ;_;

Miyako seems like she got a bunch of interesting stuff in AA, though, so it's sorta tempting.

>>4118025
Eh, that's how I feel with Fate/UC to an extent.

Whoever hits the other first essentially secures the match if their 2 hour combo is done to the fullest extent it can be done.

>>4118018
go play SF4 with the rest of the scrubs that cannot combo

>>4118039
I'll have you know I have no problems with combos, however when they revolve entirely around LOLOLOLOL 2A PRO, it's not really a matter of skill.

Go play SF4, it's like totally better than MB.

>>4118044
Learn to crouch block.

>>4118044
you can only use 2a once in a combo unless you cancel it into itself.
blocking low is a good skill to have.

>>4118055
Again, that doesn't change the fact that every combo in the game worth two fucks originates at the root of 2aaaaaaa

I think you just mad that a chara like F-Roa can do as much damage as your precious combo heavy chars/styles with half the time spent wailing on buttons.

When someone's an asshole to you, you have more reason to get better at the game to finally beat him.

When someone at the Arcade is bitching when he loses, it's time to just laugh and be an asshole to him, which makes him more inclined to get better and finally beat you.

It's the same with every fighting game's competitive community, a strong, fierce competition makes everyone try their best.

>>4118039
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C0F_aVAnFU

SFIV makes me laugh.

>>4117994
>Rhythm games definitely do
Some do.
However the Bemani community in Asia and Australia is one of the best communities I've had the pleasure to be involved with

>>4118064
I guess that's why America always falls behind the Japanese community, who shares info and is generally helpful to one another, as opposed to screaming "YOU PLAY x CHAR?! FAGGOT SCRUB LEARN 2 PLAY"

>>4118068
SF4? more like footsie friends 4

>go to arcade with friends
>play fighting games against each other, everyone is casual level
>asshole tourneyfag comes out of nowhere, challenges
>no one playing that game except him now

this has happened more times than I can count...not just in MB

>>4118077
>"YOU PLAY x CHAR?! FAGGOT SCRUB LEARN 2 PLAY"

Now you're just going off the online experience of Street Fighter IV, aren't you?...

If you knew how to speak Japanese and had ever stepped foot in the Japanese scene you'd know that they're just as fierce, however they speak more about losses and wins, rather than stupid niggers playing MvC2 and somehow off-tracking into about how Yipes breathes too loud when they're trash-talking.

>>4118066
using 2a more than once to hit confirm reduces the damage of each successive hit, resulting in lower overall combo damage.

Competitive non-douchebag Ciel player reporting in!

>>4118082
>Go to Arcade with friends
>Some random person, who I have never met before, who for all I know could be better than Daigo is playing
>Hop on and win using my average game
>He leaves when I'm raring to give him more experience in losing, like I did many years ago
>Instead he just leaves

You need to look at it from both sides.

>>4118077
america falls behind japan because JAPAN HAS ARCADES EVERYWHERE

competitiveness itself is douchebaggy

>>4118039
Uh, not only are Combos more damaging in SFIV, they require 1-frame links all over the place.

>>4118112
Yeah, there's not an arcade anywhere near where I live. It sucks.

Haven't really played it since it came out. Competetive scene is pretty dead here too. Still waiting for that Euro release of BB, I'll continue GG and Garou over live until then, right now getting a ps3 is pretty tempting.

>>4118112
>Implying arcade has something to do with development.

>>4118131
I figure I'll get a PS3 when White Knight Chronicles is released in English. BlazBlue is tempting, but I'd really rather have another iteration in the Guilty Gear series. Chipp was insanely fun to play as.

SUSHI! TERIYAKI! BANZAI!

>>4118109
Have you been watching the random person and his friends for at least 5 minutes?

Is your average game spamming the same combo 4-5 times because you know your opponent won't be able to stop you?

We don't leave, sometimes we just wait for whoever it is to finish arcade mode and then go back and then he comes back 5 minutes later

It's a big dick move when the guy you're playing stops playing for 2 rounds so he can show off an Astral Finish to his friends which he never pulled off, I at least got some satisfaction from that

>>4118118
the only game with more difficult combos than melty blood is fate unlimited codes.

>>4118109
>better than Daigo is playing
>random american schmuck in a random arcade.

>>4118142
SASHIMI! KAMIKAZE!

>>4118154
KoF has the hardest combos.

I think the problem with douchebag competitive players has come about from the amount of scrubs who complain about cheapness in the stupidest ways.

The amount of them has most competitive players viewing people who are just starting out to all be like that, assume you are one of them, and be a douchebag after the match.

All you need to do is show your (What should be) tolerance to losing, acceptance of everything in the game, and eagerness to learn, every competitive player will see you in a new light and respect you.
If they don't, they're a stupid little bitch who should be castrated.

>>4118077
Alright seriously most mid tier mb players don't get combo'ed off by 2a, it's either you're a total newbie or don't block at all. 2a is mostly used to in a set of block-strings or to pressure an opponent. 5c, 5b. 2b. 2c. every fucking button can turn into a combo not just 2a you typical street fighter 4 player.

>>4118109
>He leaves when I'm raring to give him more experience in losing, like I did many years ago
>Instead he just leaves
People have varying levels of tolerance for being absolutely smooshed into the ground by a random stranger.

>>4118158
wrong
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9321958

>>4117984
>implying you cant chain 2a2a2a2a in blazblue

>>4118104
Nobody likes you because you ARE a douchebag.

>>4118172
did he hurt your little feelings? poor you.

>>4118149
>Have you been watching the random person and his friends for at least 5 minutes?

What? No, why the fuck would I do that, this isn't a Tourney.

>Is your average game spamming the same combo 4-5 times because you know your opponent won't be able to stop you?

The more someone experiences something they don't know how to counter, the faster they learn how to get past it, just like I did.

>We don't leave, sometimes we just wait for whoever it is to finish arcade mode and then go back

The only reason I play Arcade mode is to wait for another player, and if the person who was playing before is playing again, I hop on and give him more experience in losing, assuming I haven't popped over to the always-populated Tekken 6 machine.

>>4118197
I've never played a fighting game at an arcade before.

>>4118190
ciel dude is perfect gentleman.

>>4118172
True.
Little bitches with big Egos pass off any losses as the other player as being cheap and instead just leave.

>>4118178
I don't think you actually know what you're talking about. The execution for KOF moves is fucking insane not because of a bunch of jumps and kicks and ribbons, it's because the movements with your hands to actually do the moves are hard.

>>4118231
>Little bitches with big Egos pass off any losses as the other player as being cheap
Now THAT is what pisses me off. If they leave, fine, but if they try and justify it, it's retarded.

It's almost as bad as when you've beaten them in the past and they get all pissy with you if you offer to play them in the future and say you're 'not worth their time' because you're 'cheap'.

>>4118243
you're a beaner aren't you

>>4118243
KoF has the exact same joystick movements as Street Fighter, Guilty Gear, and Blazblue for special moves, without the 1-frame links of SFII and SFIV, nothing's hard about that.

>>4118243
using your hands to press buttons? fascinating, please tell me more.

>>4118260
lol i trol u

>>4118190
Oh you. Everybody likes me.

>>4118255
I get it all the time.

One thing I've noticed is the difference between them and players who refuse to play, but just accept that they suck and it's not about being cheap.

The one's who cry "Cheap" actually have a chance to get through it and become great players, the unmotivated "I suck what's the point" have absolutely no chance, because they've already said in their mind that they'll never become tournament level.

>>4118199
>What? No, why the fuck would I do that, this isn't a Tourney.

Yeah, but that's happened to me. Why must some tourneyfags scout and prey on weaker players such as myself and friends? We just want to have fun, let us be ;_;

It's not their fault they're so good and tourneyfag-minded, I wouldn't complain if I were too. It's just things like
>and if the person who was playing before is playing again, I hop on and give him more experience in losing
that irk me. Hey, tourney guy, I don't have a job and $20 to blow every day like you do, so I can't keep losing to you but I can't get much practice either because you keep challenging me without letting me practice combos or whatever on the computer so fuck it, I'll spend my last quarter on gum

>>4118290
They make excuses yes but not better gamrplay. I can admit i lost today but still come back stronger tomorrow.

>>4118306
stop making excuses. work hard to get better.

>>4118306
I normally politely ask if they would care for a match, and if they acquiesce I proceed to choose whoever I feel like playing at the moment and have a good match without holding anything back. Regardless of the outcome, I say "good games" in a nice civil manner, wait a few seconds in case he wants a rematch or to discuss the match, and then move on elsewhere.

>>4118158
Lol no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvTpNsE_Lzg

>>4118306
Stop being selfish, tourneyfags want to have fun and play the game, too.

You aren't going to get better against the computer, combos are nothing if you don't have any sort of baiting and mindgame experience because you'll never get the opportunity to do one.

No money? Not my problem, if you want to play you have to pay.
Or get the damn console version.

>>4118306
Depending on what you're playing, it might be cheaper and easier to practice on the console versions. Then you can bring your B-game to the arcade and have a decent chance at winning a round.

>>4118306
You make it sound like they go up to the machine and rape you against it or something. If you don't want to play anyone but your friends, get the console version.

Good thing Hisoutensoku isn't in arcades. I'd hate to imagine what tourneyfag commentary a match would have

>>4118381
Hisou is pretty balanced in terms of characters. The only character you aren't going to win with is Suwako.

>>4118390
For reference, matchup percentages.

>>4118390
Not tiers, I'm more worried about overhearing
"GRA-GRA-GRAZE DAT"
"OH MAN CIRNO'S TAKIN' REIMU TO THE FRIDGE!"
"AWWWW HELL NAW SHE GINORMOUS NOW"

>>4118418
Oh god. Me too, now.

>>4118390
Some Anonymous was kind enough to give me an updated Glicko chart for Hisoutensoku. There does appear to be quite a bit of discrepancy between the characters acknowledged as lower tier (Suwako, Meiling, Sakuya) and higher tier (Youmu, Iku), though some of that could just be personal skill and maybe not necessarily a large imbalance?

Still surprising to see how low Suika is, though.

>>4118381
>tourneyfag commentary

Probably jokes about DPing or 66Cing more, or sarcastically suggesting that you should air-tech more frequently. Perhaps even a few "hold shift for focused movement"s.

>>4118418
This post just about sums up why I like nerdy white guys more than black Marvel players for commentary.

>>4118418
>"OH MAN CIRNO'S TAKIN' REIMU TO THE FRIDGE!"

I like this. I'll use it sometime.

>>4118431
DPing?

>hold shift for focused movement
Fuck, I hope Touhou never becomes mainstream. Some things are just too precious.

>>4118431
I dunno about that table but on the other table a less than 15% difference between god tier and bottom tier (not counting the joke character) seems pretty impressive.

>>4118431
Tier lists usually use 100's of different players of each character to make sure personal skill affects the list as little as possible.

>>4118418
SCOOPS SCOOPS PERFECT FREEZE

>>4118444
Dragon Punching, 623ing, etc.

>>4118447
The other table was done really early in Hisoutensoku's release, and can be seen as more of an ease-of-use chart (for the most part). It isn't necessarily all that accurate of a reflection of how things stand now. Of course, I haven't actually seen any good Hisoutensoku matches other than the stuff that goes on in /jp/.