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That would explain why she's retarded.

Did Kinzo have teh surprise sex0rz with Rosa-baaaaasan? (get it she is too old for me, who is a pedophile)

>>4099816
since everyone on this board is playing devil's advocate for something, incest doesn't really mean you'll end up with a retarded child. it just means that certain bad traits in the family can come up. The easiest example to think of is cystic fibrosis. If the gene for that runs in the family at all and brother and sister have a baby their chances of having a baby with cystic fibrosis is as high as 50%.

Good news everyone! I found a quote that foreshadows DID!

"People are capable of creating another part of themselves inside themselves at any time. A part that they can truly like."

Oh, and I formed a new S-link with the girl who said this, always needed the Moon but I usually was busy fishing.

>>4099841
Wait, really? That's interesting that Jessica of all people would say that...

>>4099816

>Implying that every child produced from incest is retarded, despite the fact that it just raises the retard probability percentage from 5% to 15%

>>4099856
3X more means they must've turned red.

>>4099841
So... if Jessie is another persona of Jessica's, is Jessie perhaps the one doing the killing?

I'm thinking that because if she had a daughter with a total stranger and had no husband, Kinzo would have removed her as a member of the Ushiromiya family, as old japanese families did.

So why didn't he?

>>4099868
I don't know, but I sure find it hysterical that the only thing which foreshadows what the Shkanontrice fags like.... comes from Jessica.

>>4099875
But why would Kinzo co-sign a loan with Rosa?

>>4099877
Moon-chan and her man(?)servant will kill us all. I've already made plans to fortify my house, so when the revolution comes I'll go down in a blaze of glory.

>>4099810
TAKE THIS!

>>4099877

Beato never denied jessica had multiple personalities

Would explain why she liked magic so much as kinzo did

>>4099901
Fucking saved, oh wow, Shkannontrice, this is you.

>>4099841
Social Link Go!
*ka-shiiiiing*

wow.. maybe it goes like this:

Kinzo hallucinating from the green shit he drinks sees Rosa, his blond little daughter, and thinks "BEATRIIIIIIIICHE" and then rapes her, he wakes up later with hangover and no memory of it, but Rosa remembers, sometime later Maria is born.

Then at the family meeting she kills everyone out of spite because they didn't save her from raep

What where the names of the other servants?

>>4099912
That is my favorite Seacat fanart EVER.

Who started the kinzo memetic rapist thing?

>>4099954
But in EP6, it's revealed Rosa's ex husband is the cosigner of her business or some shit, machine translator is a bitch, but she's definitely getting money from her ex.

>>4099954

>>>/rs/Ushiromiya_Battler_Has_A_Sin
>>>/rs/Because_Of_That_Sin_People_Die

Maria's father is amakusa.
Amakusa is really 35.

>>4099948
Oh, I remember that s-link, you get it when you take the deliveryman job. You had to deliver special packages to an island, like guns, poison, bombs, and gasoline. For charity!

>>4099972
Somehow "kinzo raped her" became the "why dunnit" of every theory so far he also raped the B0MB

>>4099975
Not exactly.

Her husband cosigned a loan with her and ran off. So basically she has to pay off the debt of the loan all by herself.

>>4099979
The only 2 ways I can see this is if:

A. Kinzo gives him the inheritance because he had the balls to give the family the middle finger because his father was a douche.

B. Failed to keep a promise to take Shkanontrice off the island, and being that he is her first love tears her heart away from her relationships with BOTH his cousins and causes her to lose the remaining screw or two that kept her from killing everybody in the first place.

Otherwise there isn't really anyway I can think of.

>>4100013
It's all based on Piece Beato's speech in episode 4. So yeah, he either raped Moon--chan, Shannon, Kanon, or Skanon.

>>4099972

Kinzo rape and small bombs can explain everything in Umineko.

>>4100040
I don't think he raped Kanon; apparently he and Kanon got along well, according to episode 6.

>>4100038
Except Shannon and George share a true love. The fantasy scenes tell us this, the non-fantasy scenes tell us this, R07 tells us this....
I think Moon-chan is just using Shkanontrice, hence why she and Kanon didn't get the blessing.
Or maybe Shannon and Kanon really are two different people.

>>4100056

Stop saying Moon-chan

>>4100065
You know, now that you tell me NOT to, I'm just going to make an effort to do it even more, right?

Who the fuck is moon-chan?

>>4100056
The Skannon theory is bull. You can continue believing in Kanon and Shannon as a different person.

What I want to know is how Shkannontrice fans explain the fact that the butterfly brooch was given to her by the "Ane-Beatrice", when it's the Proto-Beato that has the connection to Battler.

Moon-chan? Sure is Tsukihime around here.

>>4100103
Proto-Beato and Ane-Beato were separate in Episode 6, but prior to that had been a single Beato.

>>4100086
Retarded way to say Jessica. Her Arcana is The Moon, which is typically a very negative reading, so that's her little pet name.

>>4100115
Doesn't matter, it's specifically pointed out that the one that gave the brooch to Shannon in the previous episode was Ane-Beato.

>>4100109
Duh. What the moonfaggots basically want is a blonde, non-meido Kohaku.
Not that I'm complaining against having another Kohaku....

>>4099972
I did. No women are pure in this game they're all whores and were preowned by Kinzo. They happiest ending that Battler can get is if everyone dies so he can cut his ties with all these whores and find himself a pure, saved for marriage girl.

>>4100124
Perhaps the brooch never actually existed in real life?

>>4100115
Lets pretend Battler met Beatrice 6 years ago. Now the only person on that island that was around his age that wasn't a cousin was Shannon and she doesn't remember seeing him 6 years ago and also soon after he left Kanon showed up. See any parallels now?

>>4100140
Doesn't help with the Shkannontrice theory. If that Beato is a manifestation of Shannon's inner personality, then she's taking it purely from the "servant's Beato", not "Battler's Beato."

>>4100152
> and she doesn't remember seeing him 6 years ago
Except she does. And Kanon didn't show up until... three years later, was it?

Kanon and Shannon were seperate people. Kanon dies before the conference. Shannon goes insane and starts "becoming" him. Red text is satisfied.

>>4100167
Well, if you MUST suscribe to the Shkanontrice theory, one explanation for Kanon was Jessica's desire to have a boyfriend.


Yes, really. Some think that Shannon is playing a game of pretend.

>>4100176
What about the red text in EP3 I believe it was, that stated no one would mistake Kanon for another person?

>>4100176
Slowly, I'm starting to buy the Skannon theory.
But I still think it's pretty retarded.
And I also refuse to acknowledge, if the Skannon theory is true, that a 17 person X exists.

>>4100195
That's...actually a really good point.

>>4100195
Just checked it, it was EP2, "They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon! " in red.

Perhaps it only pertains to that one scene, who knows.

>>4100208
Kanon dying before makes Shannon go nuts and think she's Kanon?
Dude, there's not an ounce of foreshadowing to SHOW that he died before, in addition to showing that Shannon would think she's Kanon.
Also, it comes down to Moon-chan AGAIN, as she knows both of them extremely well, and would be able to tell if Shannon was acting kooky and pretending to be Kanon.

Battler is Kinzo.
Explaining the reason why Kinzo can be counted even after he's dead.

>>4100208
Of course they don't. Because Erika is gone.

>>4100176
Fuck, somebody remembered one of my half-assed theories I made up. I had another one the other night that Shkanontrice was dating both cousins and would dump the one that didn't get the inheritance and the sight of Battler(her first and only true love) made her go batshit.

>>4100223

>Dude, there's not an ounce of foreshadowing to SHOW that he died before

"Kanon was killed in this room", EP2

Despite his missing body. Beato was obviously not referring to the gameboard.

>>4100222
> different person
Hmmmmm...

>>4100208
Knox #1

>>4100236

What's Shkanontrice need money for. Shannon has money and if she's Beatrice she owns the gold.

>>4100223
I said that EXACTLY because of Moon-chan. Reading back some post in this thread, Shannon and Jessica have an awesome relationship and, as "furniture", she might be playing a game of pretend with her.
Having said that, Skannon is retarded, and as Dlanor would say, a 17th person X cannot exist, I won't allow it to EXIST.

>>4100236
Once again, Jessica knows both of them very well and is close with both, there can be no double-dating allowed.

Also, uh, Shannon's cunning plan would fall through if she tried to marry someone of the same sex...

The reason is probably:

a) She's fanatic for detective novels. Her dream is create the perfect murder.

b) Identity crysis

c) Keep Beatrice alive forever

>>4100265
That's what I don't get. DID isn't unheard of as a solution to mysteries, but one of the personalities isn't usually the opposite gender...

>>4100245
Also, for some reason, I believe that with the introduction of the Knox Decalogue in EP5, R07 might be trying to force the reader to solve it using Knox's ONLY. That means the red text is just as true and valid as Beatrice and her magic.
Using the red text would imply accepting magic as well, hence failing to solve it by principle.
Oh, look, I made another theory. At the same level of retardation as Skannon.

>>4100250
The issue is that at the end of the episode, Battler and Beato tell Erika she's the 17th person.
And then Erika gets erased.
So, what is 17 minus one? 16. We don't have ROOM for a person X!

>>4100236
Please remember that:

1) Someone sent out money to all of the people that would definitely be outside the island on October 3rd.
2) The writing style matches the writing in Maria's diary and the notes sent out in bottles depicting the crime.

At the very least, it was before Battler was even seen. In fact, one must ask that...how did the writer know that Ange wouldn't make it to the conference, if everyone who was related but not affected (from what we know) was given money?

>>4100294
Use me, motherfucker. I despise you at many levels. Also:
Erika upped the number to 18 people. Lambda specified this in EP5, albeit not in red.

>>4100306

>In fact, one must ask that...how did the writer know that Ange wouldn't make it to the conference, if everyone who was related but not affected (from what we know) was given money?

>>4100294
>Battler and Beato tell Erika she's the 17th person.
No, they do NOT. They tell her that even if she's added, the count won't go up. This can mean one of two things. There is one person pretending to be two people, or, more likely...Erika is already dead when she reaches the island.

The second one is more likely, because Erika's existence is outright denied. With Shkannon there's still room for her on the board.

>>4100320

Wouldn't put it past the real culprit Kyrie

>>4100324
Pretty sure they say she's the 17th. Remember, they end up logic bombing her existance itself.

Let me ask: why is Kyrie culprit "impossible"?

The biggest evidence people like to state is "she died in the twilight twice"

Let's flip the chessboard over for a second: if she was innocent why would she die? She's pretty damn smart and I'm pretty sure she could hold her own in a pinch (see EP3), the fact that she could get overwhelmed by the culprit and killed twice seems kind of silly to me.

It isn't IMPOSSIBLE, but still.

>>4100337
I played the game. They confirmed the count, not the addition of Erika.

>>4100337
No, she says to be the 18th. I can post the screenshot, but i'm lazy to do it. And lazy to spoiler tags too.

>>4100320
I wonder. At the very least, if Shannon is the actual killer here, Kyrie might be pulling her strings. Reason for that? Don't know. At the very least, I can't think of a reason why Kyrie would personally kill everyone, the culprit's feelings that are shown don't really fit with Kyrie in my opinion. Or perhaps i'm focusing on Shannon too much, since her real name isn't Shannon, so she could have red text immunity..

>>4100324
> They tell her that even if she's added, the count won't go up.
No, they say that "including you, it's 17 people". That's different from saying "the count does not change when you are added".

>>4100353
- I am Furudo Erika, the detective, the 18th person in this island.
- Nonono, counting you, there are 17 people here.

>>4100346
Should we trust the red?
>>>/rs/Regarding unidentified corpses, all of their identities are guaranteed.
I really need to do a massive brainstorm on Umineko... I want Kyrie to be involved in the killings.

>>4100372
Oh, and Erika had already been defeated at that point. That red text at the end wasn't what ended her existence.

IBEP7 REVEALS KYRIE CULPRIT

SHE DID IT ALL TO MAKE ANGE THE HEAD OF THE USHIROMIYAS

WHY? BECAUSE IN EP8 WE'LL LEARN HER TRAUMATIC SUMADERA PAST, REMEMEBR HOW KASUMI WAS BROKEN BECAUSE SHE WAS FORCED TO BECOME THE HEAD AFTER KYRIE LEFT? APPARENTLY THE SUMADERA HEAD REQUIRES HELLISH TRAINING. ALONG WITH THE FACT THEY MENTIONED THE USHIROMIYAS WERE FUCKING WITH THE SUMADERA'S FINANCIALLY. IT ALL MAKES SENSE GUYS.

>>4100376
And they're both said in red.

>>4100383
In my opinion, red is like truth to someone with good vocal skills. Like, I can rob a bank and say "When I entered the bank, I never looked at or touched any of the money inside". And that's the truth. I had someone else do it and transfer it to my account.

Like, when it says "Shannon is dead", I can't help but think "Shannon dropped her furniture name" instead.

>>4100346
I've always found Kyrie to be a possible suspect, it would just be so damn predictable.

From pretty much the beginning of the story, people have thought she could be the culprit, because she is likely the smartest and most capable person on the island. Mystery novels typically don't go down the most likely culprit route, because then everyone would get it right.

As others have said in previous threads, comparing say Jessica and Kyrie, Jessica is suspicious in her actions, but not overtly so. Kyrie seems like she is there like Eva, to show someone who is more than able to do the murders with her intelligence, but it's a red herring.

>>4100383
>unindetified corpses
>corpses

Red is not saying anything about makeup.

But it still can't solve Kanon's death. I'm sure he faked it.

>>4100420
Read through it.
I know of no makeup beside caustic soda that can erase your face.
Also, Knox's 8th and 10th.

>>4100416
Or "the personality called Shannon is dead".

>>4100418
Yeah, I can see where you are coming from with this. With Jessica, it is more of a passive suspicious nature, but Kyrie, we have her be YANDERE, we have her be RESENTFUL, we have her say how she'd like to KILL ASUMU, we have her attempt to BLACKMAIL KRAUSS several times,we're given a very easy culprit to believe in.

Are we forgetting that Battler being there is the cause of at least one death? Either the fortune was given to him and they all went murdous rage for the one who denied the family got what they all wanted or he caused somebody to snap because of something he did or promised in the past.(which would have to be somebody around his age, i.e. Jessica, Shannon, or Kanon) Anyway didn't Shannon and Kanon grow up in the same orphanage, which would make it possible for Kanon to have visited there and could make Kanon be the real Beatrice. Shannons love was confirmed, not Kanon's. In fact Kanon might have been trying to avoid a relationship with Jessica BECAUSE 'he' is actually female.

>>4100418
Shkannon is a theory that has been around since EP 1. Predictable culprits shouldn't count into reasoning.

Kyrie is pretty malicious though. She told Jessica straight up that anybody whose an enemy of Rudolf is an enemy of hers and wouldn't hesitate to eliminate them. Whether it be economically or by other means.

>>4100468
IMHO, independently of his actual sin, it involves Kyrie murdering. For sure.

>>4100468
I also suddenly wondered if SHANNON is actually dead (suicide) and Kanon wants Battler dead because she killed herself over him or something.

>>4100468
I hate to be blunt, but read your paragraph outloud. It sounds really, really dumb.

>>4100471
Shkannon has been around, but no one really lumped it into the culprit theory. It was merely the hypothesis that Shannon and Kanon were the same person.

Even if Shkannon is confirmed in 7 or 8, I can't accept them being the culprit.

>>4100445
I think it's better to focus on clues that are already given. I don't think there's any hint of Shannon having a split pesonality, so I think it's better to focus on something we do know: Shannon is not her real name.

>>4100461

Except hardly anyone even pays attention to Kyrie.

>>4100496
Not really. Kanon was easily one of the most likely culprits in EP 1 and in EP 2. Especially since Battler never saw his dead body any time at all, he could have been alive the entire time.

>>4100507
wat

>>4100445
So, judging by what you're saying, everytime Shannon's or Kanon's death is confirmed in red, it's just a massive troll?
I do not think so, sir. I deny this, even considering Bern's and Beato's trolling capabilities.

>>4100507
Um, no, both in universe and in the fandom people have suspected Kyrie. Hideyoshi, Rosa, Eva are shocked by her prowess at being a master of planning.

>>4100524
This.

Beato wants Battler to find the truth. Why the fuck would she just lie about confirmations in that case. The entire "Oh Kanon/Shannon abandoned their alias so 'Kanon is dead' or 'Shannon is dead' works" is fucking retarded. You cannot kill off a name or a personality.

>>4100513
I honestly suspected him too. He had no honest alibi for the letter. He was free to do whatever that night on patrol. I believe he also has the key to the shed. Of course, perhaps this is too obvious. But he does die, perhaps to throw us off? Who knows. EP 2 is that way as well. It's easy to bypass his death in red by saying that Kanon no longer considered himself furniture and moved on with his real name. And when it's said nobody mistook him, it was him, but they just placed Kanon as his name because that's what they know him by.

>>4100526


Battler suspected Kanon to be the culprit in EP4 because he couldnt find his body

Ergo, this cannot be the truth.

>>4100513
Even then it can be easy to flip that into the Jessica culprit theory, with Kanon as her subordinate.

Kanon faked his death in the boiler room, and the only people to "confirm" his death is Nanjo, who basically is required to be something of an accomplice every game, and Jessica, where if she's the culprit, everything is just as planned. Now she has someone who can move in the darkness freely, as she surveys the remaining family members.

>>4100493
I hate to burst your bubble, but read every theory out loud. You'll find all sound really, really dumb. The story is itself dumb so there is no real choice in the matter. So think twice before throwing something away because it sounds dumb, dipshit.

And what have we learned today, kids?
Playing competitive chess will make you a criminal mastermind.
I would be more afraid of fucking Kasparov alone than all the heads of state of the world planning on world annihilation.

>>4100516

Kyrie was never high on the suspicious list in polls. If anything someone like Jessica is more predictable than Kyrie.

>>4100536
Personally it's all I can think of at the moment. I'd rather have a better theory too, but everyone's deaths are constantly said in red, to the point that the only person NOT dead is Battler, and he is not the culprit. There has to be some sort of tampering.

>>4100553
Yeah, I do have to say, Jessica certainly manages to live long in most games. And quite frankly, she gets more sinister the more I look back.

>>4100561
I remember in EP 4 the suspicious poll list for the top 4 was (in order from 1 to 4) Battler, Kanon and Nanjo and Kyrie. Don't know why Battler was there though - probably because of the sin and people die because of it stuff.

>>4100540
Yeah, I would assume it would be hard to suspect Kyrie when you just saw her head split open with a giant stake.

Battler obviously suspects the culprit is alive, therefore no body = number one suspect. It makes no sense for the culprit to off themselves, but that's the way this mystery goes. Unfortunately, Piece Battler never got the memo.

>>4100567
Not really. In EP 3 Ronove nor Beato ever confirmed the deaths of Rudolf, Hideyoshi, Kyrie, Natsuhi, Krauss or George. It was only confirmed they were dead after Nanjo had died.

>>4100567
Can be explained with multiple culprits, or a Kyrie-level succession plan gone wrong.
What is hitting me in the balls with a massive acid-covered nail is Natsuhi's death in EP1. You may theorize about this any way you like.

In fact, I strongly believe that solving EP1's mystery alone is both the actual goal, and the key to all other mysteries.

>>4100561
First off, I don't think the official site has WHO IS THE MOST SUSPICIOUS polls, I think it just had popularity polls.
And being on 2ch and 4chan, and seeing the massive amounts of fanart depicting Kyrie covered in blood, I regret to inform you that Kyrie being the culprit is pretty red for a herring.

>>4100584
>Kyrie when you just saw her head split open with a giant stake.

It wasn't split open - she just had a hole in her forehead with the stake sticking out. Its actually pretty weird how her and George's deaths differ from everyone else. Pretty much everyone has their head split open and Kanon had a giant hole in his chest. Only exception to that is Maria, who was probably poisoned since she had no external wounds.

>>4100383
Remember though, as stated in episode 5, there's nothing against things that aren't corpses being referred to as corpses.

Also, I believe Shannon's death in episode 1 was never even actually SAID. I know the body was never shown to Battler, but doesn't George start crying and ask about the ring before anyone even actually SAYS she's dead? Been a while since I read episode 1, so I might be off.

>>4100599
Actually there are suspicious polls. I don't think they did them for EP 5 or 6 though.

>>4100577

More like Battler, Kanon, Nanjo and Jessica

http://when-they-cry.net/Cgi/vote/umi_doub4/kekka.htm

>>4100587
Perhaps in a way you have a point.

The killer HAD to be alive around that point in time, since "07151129" was written on the Parlor door, which is information the culprit would know. And since Eva survived, we could guess that the culprit could have been killed in a scuffle after Nanjo's demise before the red was mentioned.

But aside from that, it's hard to say. I'll keep looking through that.

>>4100605
Only ones who saw the corpse were Nanjo, Hideyoshi and Kanon. George didn't see it since Hideyoshi didn't want him to see Shannon all face smashed.

>>4100595
Kanon didn't die in the boiler room in EP1, so he shot her, Lambda did state in red someone with a gun shot her, and his life or death status is basically the only one outside of Natsuhi, Jessica, George, Maria, and Battler that is up in the air.

>>4100618
Seriously? I could have swore Kyrie was in 4th place last time I checked.

but lol beato is higher than kyrie on that list what the fuck japan.

>>4100599
>massive amounts of fanart depicting Kyrie

There is no massive amounts of Kyrie fanart doing anything

>>4100618
>Battler first
And what does this tell you about the mental capacity of the people doing this poll?

>>4100640
>implying kyrie has any fanart

she probably has the least fanart out of all the milfs despite being the coolest one (along with rosa). ;___; fuck you japan make more fanart of her

>>4100643
Oh wow.

>>4100643

Why? Don't people say all the time Battler is killing everyone and/or he's just crazy.

>>4100633
He has a well established who,how and why-dunnit, so it makes sense.
However, his death was confirmed in red sometime later in another episode. Or perhaps I'm confusing red texts. Lemme fish in /seacats/ for it.

>>4099856
>Implying children aren't already all retarded.

>>4100660
Battler being the culprit however is absolutely retarded. He's the main character and has an alibi for every murder.

>>4100651

Well, that's what I meant. There is no Kyrie fanart. ;_;

>>4100651


Japan hates Kyrie. Literally hates. No idea why.

>>4100670
They probably see her as a slut for having an affair with Rudolf.

Enjoy your 'holier than thou' pure Natsuhi, Japan. because she's a delusional whore

>>4100665
In addition to this, Knox's 7th, applicable in 4 episodes.
If you disregard him as the detective, what this anon said - alibis, a sea of them.

>>4100665
If Knox's original 1st was used, Battler would have a very very clear alibi, since we've seen his thoughts time and time again. But it's different.

I wonder why.

>I wonder why.
Because then people would just narrow down the culprit by seeing whose thoughts we see. Some mystery.

>>4100670
Japanese men are terrified of a woman that smart.

>>4100690
this is true.

>>4100676

I don't think that's it. They love Rosa.

>>4100670
>Japan hates Kyrie.
Japan hates smart women.

>>4100665
Insanity is a good alibi.

>>4100687
Kyrie fits that bill I think.

God damn it you people. But then again, i've wondered if Kasumi killed Kyrie and took her place, but probably not likely, a bit obvious.

>>4100633
>>4100663 here
All I could find about Kanon in EP1 is this
http://ib4f.com/board/seacats/red/topic/326844#327817
So yes, no red for his death at that precise time. Regarding this, then, Natsuhi was killed by Kanon's gunshot, and he was killed by her only shot.
ACCEPTABLE.jpg

>>4100703
Probably not. I doubt Rudolf wouldn't be able to see the difference.

Especially when it comes to their chest.

>>4100722
Shit, Kyrie's shirt is the exact same color as Kasumi's kimono.

>>4100722
Padding. Also, that Kasumi is a bit older. But to be honest, it isn't really hinted too well that they're twins. Just that they kind of look similar. I'm not sure if it would break Knox's rules or not, but it probably does. Just an old theory I had.

>>4100733
they aren't twins. It's stated explicitly that Kasumi is younger than Kyrie.

Krauss can't be the culprit because he's innocent in episode 5 and the culprit kills him after kidnapping him.
Natsuhi can't be the culprit because of episode 5.
Eva can't be the culprit because of episode 3.
Hideyoshi can't be the culprit because it's too obvious.
Rudolf can't be the culprit because he always dies too early.
Kyrie can't be the culprit because she always dies too early and would be too obvious.
Rosa can't be the culprit because from episode 2 that would be too obvious.
George can't be the culprit because of episode 6 and because he's always with the cousins.
Jessica can't be the culprit because in episode 3 she didn't kill anyone and because episode 6 makes it too obvious and because she is stupid.
Battler can't be the culprit because he isn't in episodes 1-4. Mystery is solvable with 1-4 alone.
Maria can't be the culprit because she's the little girl.
Genji can't be the culprit because he doesn't murder anyone.
Kumasawa can't be the culprit because she doesn't murder anyone.
Gohda can't be the culprit because he's left out of the loop of everything and is stupid.
Nanjo can't be the culprit because he doesn't murder anyone.
Shannon can't be the culprit because it doesn't match her character and it's too obvious.
Kanon can't be the culprit because it doesn't match his character and it's too obvious.
Witch can't be the culprit because it's unfair and too obvious.

So nobody is the culprit. If R07 ruins any of the above characters by making them culprits I'm dropping it.

>>4100737
So that really does it in. All there is of that is that their hair color is similar and they seem to wear the same shade of purple. Probably breaks Knox's rules.

>>4100733
Don't be fooled. One is dumb and bitter as hell, the other is GLORIOUS MASTERMIND. And sexy.

>>4100733
It's pretty dicey, he would be a horrible husband if he didn't notice something off while talking to her about pretty much anything personal.

>>4100738

>Rosa can't be the culprit because from episode 2 that would be too obvious.

Also dies in the first twilight like five times

>>4100738
obviously the culprit is the seagull, anon.

It got pissed that everyone was invading its crib and pecked them all to death.

>>4100733
someone's chest doesn't deflate like that due to aging.

Oh right, guys, what brand of cigarettes does Kasumi smoke? I don't remember. (And what was the brand of the cigarette found in Kyrie's pocket again?)

>>4100738
Culprits can probably change between games and the red texts stating innocence do not necessarily apply to all the games.

>>4100738
Some of these make sense, others are just biased opinions.

>>4100753

That. It was never stated "Kumsawa, Genji, and Nanjo are not murders, this applies to all games"

That was only for EP3.

>>4100727
Not only similar, it's the exact same color. #A68FB7.

>>4100738
I'd go Erika-style on your ass anyday and make you end up having sex with a whale, motherfucker.
I WILL.

>>4100743
>the other is GLORIOUS MASTERMIND. And sexy
Seconded.

I fucking love Kyrie.

>>4100752
The cigarette in Kyrie's pocket at the end of EP3 was Hideyoshi's.

>>4100752
We don't know anything about the brand.

Kyrie doesn't hold cigarettes either - she only has a lighter, which is stated in narration to be used to light Rudolf's smokes (since she probably moderates his bad habits).

>>4100738
It's already told strait out that Battler is indirectly the culprit of somebodies death. So you are wrong.

>>4100769
Still doesn't make him the culprit or accomplice. Rather, the why-dunnit of the murder.

>>4100776
It means that who ever he wronged DOES kill somebody.

Battler killed himself.
You heard it here first.

>>4100738
>Hideyoshi can't be the culprit because it's too obvious.
We barely know anything about him, the only reason it seems obvious is because most of the others have been checked off as possible suspects.

>Kyrie can't be the culprit because she always dies too early and would be too obvious.
In the third and fourth games, she lives longer than most, and as for the obvious, see Hideyoshi.

>Jessica can't be the culprit because in episode 3 she didn't kill anyone and because episode 6 makes it too obvious and because she is stupid.
The culprit doesn't actually have to kill anyone to be the mastermind. With the exception of I believe Minagoroshi-hen, Takano never directly killed anyone, she was still the final boss. For the obvious remark, see above again, and you seem to not understand the phrase, "obfuscating stupidity."

>Shannon can't be the culprit because it doesn't match her character and it's too obvious.
>Kanon can't be the culprit because it doesn't match his character and it's too obvious.
We know dick about either of them, aside from how much they like, ttyl olev jyoji-sama and Jessica. And they apparently love them enough to kill, as EP6 fantasy shows.

That's not news. Bullet ricocheted towards him after he tried to shoot the golden butterfly brooch and got glorious HEADSHOT.
The rest? Delusions.

>Takano never directly killed anyone

Doesnt she kill Rika in every arc?

Or does she just leave it to the Yamainu

>>4100793
Makes sense.

>>4100817
I was under the impression she watched them kill Rika, but never dirtied her hands since it's rather pointless.

>>4100807
The only insights we have from them is in the fantasy parts. We actually know jack shit about the real them. I mean, how many times does Battler actually meet Kanon?

>>4100807
>And they apparently love them enough to kill, as EP6 fantasy shows.

Not exactly. Kanon kills Rosa because he pities her. Shannon kills Maria to defend Kanon. Jessica kills Kyrie as a random pick (and she's clearly being possessed). George is a dick and actually intended to kill his mom.

>>4100825
No. She always kills Rika herself.

>>4100835
Why would she do that?

>>4100832
My eyes BURN OF SPOILERS.

>>4100807
>The culprit doesn't actually have to kill anyone to be the mastermind.

I thought someone could say this. The problem is, if the "mastermind" doesn't kill, then you now have to at least provide two culprits out of 17 which all aren't culprits. It's impossible, none of them are culprits and if they are I'm dropping it.

>>4100847
Someone must take the blame, boy. And the possibility of someone not out of those 17 is out of the question. A mastermind is also probable, given the cast you currently have - there are characters that match the mastermind stereotype.
If you deny this, you might start dropping it right about now. Hell, you can drop the mystery genre altogether, fuck!
It's just the way it is.

The real culprit is nearly everyone. The only person who has a reason to kill Battler would be Beatrice.(why he lives to the end most the time) All the adults want to kill each other, the kids are killed as revenge or by their parents accidentally. Now whether Kanon, Shannon, or Jessica is Beatrice is the only real question.

>>4100837
She wants to become God and Rika is considered to be the reincarnation of Oyashiro. She kills Rika and becomes God.

>>4100853
except Beato doesn't kill for revenge is stated in red

>>4099912
Hotest Maria rape pic ever.

>>4100866
doesn't change a thing as beatrice's identity or her motives are still in the air.

>>4100942
>Hotest Maria rape pic ever.
That's not saying much. There's like what, five Maria rape images on the whole internet? And only one of them is drawn properly. Japan really needs to get to work on her.