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Bonsai is cool. Post more.

Mmmkay

how do they shrink the tree down that small

Oh fuck you for posting this thread when my main computer is out of commission

Obligatory John Naka

>>4057292
The small pot, combined with dedicated pruning and care.

common misconception is that bonsai are a special species or cultivation of tree. Not true, all bonsai are made form normal species of tree, kept small.
Another misconception is that they're starved to keep them small. Absolutely false, a well kept bonsai is actually far better fed and often healthier than the huge trees you see in the wild. It's kept small by technique, not by starving.

>>4057292
Japanese ray gun technology.

ITT: Loli trees.

Total approval.

Informal upright Japanese maple

>>4057312
Amazing, I'd always thought it was a special kind of tree.

>>4057292
this is size of tree in japan
that why japanese people so small

>>4057292
They stole them from Lilliput.

Dirty Japs.

>>4057351
I... I am speechless. I never thought it that way.

Starting reading on bonsai immediately.

>>4057312
I'm having real trouble believing this.

Sage for Japanese Tree Abuse.

You people disgust me.

>>4057377
They should totally make a lilluput land by building tiny versions of cities and filling them with tiny organisms like this!

One of the more difficult techniques in bonsai is ramification; that is, to finely subdivide the branches into smaller and smaller twigs. This also has the secondary effect of spreading the tree's "energy" (the flow of nutrition from the roots to the leaves) out over a greater number of branches, thereby reducing the size of the leaves

Shown here in spectacular fashion

Fascinating.
No, really.

>>4057395
lol'd

>>4057394
Why is that?
A properly kept bonsai is fertilized REGULARLY (somewhere in the neighborhood of once every 2 weeks in the growing season, depending on what type of soil one is using) and watered every day (again, depending on soil type)

Care is even given to the roots. If you've ever done any gardening you know that a plant can become "root bound" in a pot, the roots grow too wild and the plant ends up "strangling" itself by cutting off it's own water supply. in Bonsai, the tree is taken out every two or three years (or yearly, depends on species) the roots are carefully trimmed to a healthy size and it is repotted.

Seriously, bonsai are kept as healthy as physically possible. In fact, if you took a young bonsai (obviously wouldnt work on a particularly old one) and put it in the ground, it would theoretically just grow into a normal sized tree.

>>4057457
Loli trees are indeed very difficult to handle. I'm amazed.

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>>4057457
>obviously wouldn't work on a particularly old one
Tree abuse.

>>4057239
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>>4057457
I meant the "a normal tree" thing. How is it possible that they stay small enough to be contained in a pot of that size?

How does one determine the sex of a tree? I want to be able to distinguish my loli trees and my shota trees from my futa trees.

purposely stunting the natural grow of a tree you fucking tree pedos.

>>4057516
You start working on a single plant from the seed.

Trees aren't always ready-made as saplings you know, silly!

>>4057496
It wouldn't work on an old one for the same reason broken bones don't heal fast in old PEOPLE. They're old.

>>4057516
It's really all in the fertilization. Even a relatively small root mass can support a massive amount of foliage. After all, most of the work is being done in the foliage itself, producing the glucose that keeps the roots alive. The roots just keep said foliage hydrated and alive by sending up water and some nutrients like nitrogen, phosphorus, etc.

When you see those diagrams of trees with those just massive far reaching roots, most of those roots are anchors rather than feeder roots and don't actually do terribly much to feed the tree.

There's no shortage of science going into the art of Bonsai. A healthy tree is the best tree, and keeping the tree healthy and happy is the first objective of bonsai. The arts of styling, ramification, etc all come secondary.

>>4057484
Well, it's not like /jp/ has much to do. Besides you can pretend the tree is talking to you.

"Onii-chan, if it's okay with you... Could you, um, trim my roots please? ...No-not there! I-it's dirty! Aah, I can feel onii-chan's pruning shears inside me! Onii-chan, if you cut any further I'll... Aaaah! Onii-chan! "

Then the tree starts spurting resin.

>>4057524
... I thought trees are futas by nature... (?)

>>4057524
You have to be French.

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>>4057572
Hahaha, oh wow.
>"Onii-chan, if it's okay with you... Could you, um, trim my roots please? ...No-not there! I-it's dirty! Aah, I can feel onii-chan's pruning shears inside me! Onii-chan, if you cut any further I'll... Aaaah! Onii-chan! "
made my day.

>>4057565
If you want to get technical, stunting is a symptom of malnutrition. Bonsai is not malnourished, in fact it is very, very optimally nourished for the tree species. Bonsai actually do grow as normal trees do, but are kept small by harmless (actually, beneficial) pruning

>>4057578
Depends on the species; also, some flowering plants have both genitalia in each flower, while others have separate male and female flowers. I'm not sure how that would translate in terms of moe personifications.

>>4057578
Depends on the tree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoecious

The flowers generally are pretty easy to identify.

>>4057610

Oh great a "if there's leafs on the branches prune ball" pedo

>>4057572
Well damn.

This hobby is perfect for /jp/ then.

>>4057524
Most trees are dioecious, meaning that they have both parts

For the ones that are one sex, you first figure out if the species you're looking at is monoecious, and then determine it based on what "parts" it has. This again depends on species. Pollen producing structures on males, and flowers or seed pods or something else on females. It's tricky.

Now I really, really feel like growing my own loli tree.
Does anyone have any experience with bonsai trees?
And of course I'd need a cute loli name for her.

>>4057675
Just refer to your Loli tree as "Imouto".

>>4057615
I don't know man. Making moe anthropomorphisms of trees would be fucking hard. For something like an OS it's relatively easy, you just slap logos on, say something like "boob size = os RAM usage" and go on.

But how would you make something like a juniper or an apple tree moe moe?

>>4057351
More like fairy trees.

Total approval++ from me.

Don't Bonsai sell quite well? Might be a good shut-in business. Spend all day posting on /jp/ and maintaining trees then sell them on the internet.

/jp/ - Loli and Trees

>>4057696
Would you sell your beloved imouto?

>>4057696
It would be a very long process.
To make a good bonsai out of seeds, it might take you a good twenty years.

Most bonsai are started from saplings that are at least 5.

>>4057689
She can have hairbuns like swimsuit Aisaka Taiga in the shape of apples.

>>4057696
We should all just start making and bottling our own wines.
Just rack the bottles every few months and wait for the wine to clear up.

>>4057572
I lol'ed.

I had a bonsai tree for a while, but it caught some sort of disease and then this faggot kid administered the coup de grace by kicking it over.

I could not revive my loli tree. ;_;

Since then I just haven't been inspired to start pruning and wiring again.

>>4057623
I totally read that link as Moenoecious.

Someone needs to shoot me.

>>4057713
It's like a brothel.
>>4057719
A 15-20 year investment huh? I guess it could be a good secondary job thing. Start a few of them up each year, then far down the line you would have a continuous stream of ready to sell ones.

>>4057675
I have some experience but not much. I've only been in it for a few growing seasons.

My first suggestion would be to pick up as many bonsai books as you can and just READ
A good website is a british-based bonsai... well I guess one could call him a master. There's some good information there.
http://www.bonsai4me.com/index.htm
Required Reading: John Naka's Bonsai Technique I and II

Other than that, join your local bonsai club (there's probably one if you look it up) and look at as many bonsai as you can.

>>4057762
Awesome, thanks a lot.

>>4057762
>join your local bonsai club

oh u.

A thought provoking bonsai

This tree's training was started in 1625 and it is over 400 years old. It is a Japanese White Pine, and was present for and survived the atomic bomb blast at Hiroshima on August 6, 1945

>>4057780
Did the radiation affect it?

>>4057784
Probably not very much. Radiation effects complex organisms like humans far more than it does trees.

Probably one of my favorite styles is the forest-style slab planting.
A forest of the same species of tree is planted harmoniously in a bed of soil that is mounded up on a heavy, flat piece of natural slate. Only problem with these are they are motherfucking heavy when you need to move them. Some larger examples I've seen required a forklift

This isn't a great example of one in my opinion, but picture related.

>>4057689
All trees could wear their leaves or flowers as a hair accessory, for one. And here's some random ideas.

Aspen: A series of identical girls (many trees of genus Populus grow by cloning themselves from underground, so an entire groove may in fact have a single root network.) Blonde with a tint of red hair, wears a gymnast's suit (aspen leaves are particularly flexible, earning many species names like quaking or trembling aspen. )
Cypress: Ties her hair with the familiar cypress cones. Particularly tall and flat (Cypress trees' claim to fame around the Mediterranean area is their length. ) Wears a dress with the branching pattern of cypress needles.
Black walnut: Complete yandere. Black walnut secretes a chemical (juglone) that kills any and all trees nearby, so a black walnut-tan would try to kill off all competition to get your attention.
Pine: Even taller than cypress. Stereotypical Russian girl seen in various series, possible tsundere ice queen.
Palm: Brown girl. Obviously wears a swimsuit, complete with a hat decorated with palm leaves.
Fig: Caring elder sister type. Slightly chubby, with large breasts that may or may not lactate fig jam.

>>4057859
Good ideas
Eucalyptus can be a nosy girl with twintails tied by eucalyptus cones that is prone to extreme temper tantrums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus#Fire))

>>4057906
So droopy.

>>4057921
Did someone say droopy?

>>4057921

>>4057921
I guess Juniper's can be the droopy kuudere, seeing as many of them are prostrate trees. And she.... drinks gin? I'm out of ideas already

>>4057947
>And she.... drinks gin?

So wormwood would be some sort of short, female Kinzo?

>>4057859

Oh /jp/.

>>4057973
Wormwood's not a tree though...

Japanese Maple, we can basically just cross Momiji with Aki Shizuha and have a decent result, replacing the fuzz bobbles on momiji's tokin with maple leaves

>>4057973
Yes.

This is all very fascinating. It makes me want my own little loli tree to deflower all by myself.
Sounds like a pain to care for, though, and it wouldn't give me the emotional support a pet would.

I don't like bugs.

>>4058005
Well, screw trees, it may as well include smaller bushes and even other plants like kudzu. Fuck yes, kudzu. I'm already fantasizing about a kudzu girl with vine-tentacles raping all the tree-tans. Since you know, raping trees being what kudzu does best, being able to completely wrap them and whatnot.

Also addendum: Fig probably should have a fly (or a swarm of flies) as a pet, since figs can only be pollinated by extremely small flies.

>>4058040
>Well, screw trees, it may as well include smaller bushes and even other plants like kudzu.
No, fuck you. You're already ruining it.

>>4058040
I was kind of hoping the tentacle rape thing could be covered by strangler figs.

>>4058064
*fap fap fap fap fap*

>>4058064
Fine too. Speaking of strangler figs, an epiphyte or two as a head accessory would be nice too.

I wish I was a little sapling being taken care of by my onii-sama.

I'm getting myself a cherry tree bonsai. And I will call it Sakura-chan.

>>4058081
Addendum: Guess I've found a suitable species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratea_exorrhiza

That odd root system could be a nice skirt, and it has a lot of epiphytes. I don't know what the "walking" ability would translate to. Sounds like one of those creepy little girls that somehow appear wherever you are and silently watch you. Maybe a stalker?

>>4058138
Using her private underground tunnel system

Don't even think about making this into a VN.

>>4058170
KS teams new project - Ki Shoujo

>>4058170
A NEET bonsai gardener wakes up one day to find moe girls where his trees should be.

He goes insane and kills them after they refuse to turn back.

>>4058199
YES YES YES YES YES.

Can you perform ramification on a tree-loli?

>>4058170
>>4058197
GODDAMNIT /JP/ MAKE THIS HAPPEN

Anybody but the KS devs, ANYbody

Just make some fanart and I'll be a happy skipper

Technically, cannabis can be bonsai'd...

Moe moe marijuana-tan, Fund it.

Key develops it.

"Am I leafy?, uguu~"

Bump one more time since /jp/ front page is so shit

Sequoia-tan can be a seriously tall girl in heels, Snow white hair (albino type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia#Largest_trees)) Motherly type (fairy rings) that tends to diffuse confrontations easily (resistance to fire)

>moe loli trees

Only you, /jp/

Actually I'd expect this sort of thing out of /tg/ more.

>>4061090
They already have GRIMDARK treants though, so they can stuff it.

MARILYYYYNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>4058254
>Can you perform ramification on a tree-loli?

Gently brushing her hair. Oh yes.

Can you bonsai any kind of tree? Could I make a bonsai redwood if I wanted?

wat seed do i use if i want a petrified wood tree???

>>4061225
Well, some respond to bonsai techniques better than others. Some species don't "reduce" in their leaves so well.

As for redwood, I see no reason why not. Probably the best style would be a "formal upright" with plenty of taper.

Redwood might be a little unwieldy though, I'd look it up and pay special attention to it in the growing season.

Also remember that it may not do well in your climate. Trying to grow a deciduous species somewhere where there is no cool winter to make it go dormant is asking for an unhealthy tree. The first step is to know everything there is to know about the tree species you are growing. Science and health first, art and technique later.

Look around chinese gift stores. They sell cheap bonzai trees there for $20 or less.

>>4062500
and they within months

>>4062513
Keep saying that fool. I have a 4 year old bonsai tree bought from one of those chinese shit shops thats still alive and kicking. I dont even have to water it.

its made out of plastic

>>4062500
What, like mallsai?

That's probably a terrible way to start. Things are generally just some one-season cutting plopped into a pot with terrible soil and rocks glued (yes, glued) onto the surface.

Things are usually destined to die no matter how well you take care of them

>>4062513
forgot my "die"

>>4057484
BIG AND BOUNCY IS BEST

>>4058661
you mean this one?

>>4062593
apple-tan can be bouncy. Apples can't be reduced in size in bonsai, so you can have a 14-inch apple tree with gigantic 3" apples all over it.

>>4057240
please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano
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om thanks in advance have a nice day many hugs from tiny loli

this is the best one out there.

OBSERVE ITS AWESOMENESSSSS

>>4057239
please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano
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om thanks in advance have a nice day many hugs from tiny loli

>>4062635
Damn son. You just inspired me to start a plantation of bonsai marijuana plants. That shit will be awesome.

Two questions:

1. Do they survive outside? Like, on a balcony?
2. How hard are they to take care of for an amateur?

I kinda want one for the table on the balcony right outside my room. It looks so desolate there.

>>4057241
please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano
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om thanks in advance have a nice day many hugs from tiny loli

>>4062643
No, apple tree bonsai can have miniature fruit.

>>4062729
1. Sure. After all they are species of plants that grow in the wilderness to begin with.
2. For someone with no knowledge of gardening, and bonsai to be specific? Id say pretty fucking hard.

But its the journey that matters, young grass hopper.

>>4062719
Just one word of advice, that tree in the pic is a shoop. Good luck, still.

>>4062719

Whoa. Those loli pot plants would be hella easy to hide.

>>4062748
It does sound like a fun hobby. But.. How time consuming? And.. Do you have to wait for years to get any results, like with normal trees?

>>4062756
Doesn't look like a shop to me.
Marijuana plants do lignify, that's how hemp is made into rope, etc.

>>4062741
Are you sure it wasn't a crab apple? Because I've seen many trained apple bonsai, and they had gigantic (well, normal sized but huge relative to the tree) apples every time.

>>4062729
1.They won't survive anywhere BUT outside. The inside of a house is too warm, and too dry. You can take them inside to display for a day or two, but it should live outside as a matter of course.

2. Depends on the species, something like a juniper will be quite easy to take care of. but a Japanese Black Pine requires a bit of experience to take care of. In general though, they're fairly easy to take care of, just be sure to read up extensively on bonsai. Learn what soil types work (bonsai ironically use much BIGGER soil particles than your typical potted plant) how often to fertilize, etc. Generally though you'll just be watering. Education is important.

What would be the best and cheapest tree to start with?

>>4062797
One of the most time consuming things you'll do with your plant is to study it to learn how it should be styled. Other than that, daily care is just watering daily, periodic fertilization, etc.
Unfortunately, it will take years to get results out of something that doesn't already have a lot of potential. They are trees, and they generally grow fairly slow. Happily, you can find something from a garden center that already has some potential, make a few strategic cuts, do a little trimming and wiring, and have something quite nice fairly quickly.

>>4062836
What region do you live in?

>>4062797
>Do you have to wait for years to get any results, like with normal trees?
Naturally. Its the same with cactii. I have a San Pedro that im going to consume when im about to kick the bucket, and its a tiny, sad little fucker as of now, after 4 years.

Im not sure on the specifics, but since it is a minimized version of the tree, you should "see results" faster, as its not going to grow to be 40 meters tall. IE. just the sprout will look like something to begin with.

>>4062845
West Virginia

>>4062855
'fraid I don't know much about your climate, sorry. But you could hardly go wrong with a Juniper, I imagine. Most juniper are like cockroaches, very hard to kill them.

Other than that, just look around you and see what kinds of trees grow well in your area. Look up your USDA climate zone
http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/ushzmap.html
and figure out what tree species are best suited for that place.
As always, check out to see if you have a local bonsai club, you probably do.

I still have some (barely) live rosemary from a 'miniature herb garden project' last summer.
Would I be able to make a little bonsai out of it as an experiment?
Pic related, it's all that's left of it after a few weeks of snow.

>>4063736
Rosemary can be bonsai'd, but since it's such a small plant and doesn't grow a very thick trunk, it's best suited to particularly small bonsai.

My Bonsai tree looks dead - leaves fallen off, looks all dead kinda dead. Maybe cuz i forgot to water it, is there anyway I can revive it? or is it just dead, tried watering everyday for about a week - doesn't seem to do much.

>>4063763
Sounds like a perfect starter to me. And if I'll like it, I'll buy a few when spring starts.
Should I just carefully take out the two little plants and repot them to a smaller pot and take off the biggest leaves so that all nutrition will go to the trunk?

I enjoyed this thread /jp/, just wanted you to know.

suge--

>>4064006
Trunks respond by growing in girth size when there is a greater "traffic" need between the roots and the leaves.
The more foliage there is on a tree, the more water needs to travel up through the xylem, and the more nutrients need to flow down to the roots from the leaves via the phloem.
A bonsai in training will sometimes have "sacrificial branches" meant for this very purpose but to be cut off at a later date (for style purposes)

Personally, I think rosemary is a... funky way to start bonsai. I don't personally like the plant, but don't let me discourage you, just be sure to do your research and your homework before messing with one.

Again: Juniper is one of the most common beginner bonsai, they can acclimate to a variety of climates, and are tough as nails.

>>4063986
...Depends if it's deciduous or evergreen?

If it's a deciduous species, then congratulations! Welcome to winter!

If it's an evergreen tree, if it has lost all it's leaves, I'm 95% sure it's toast.

Man, I can't find any moe tree girls anywhere.

I think we're on to something here guys.

>>4064946
In addition to learning bonsai, I am also practicing (casually though, I must admit) drawing. I may be able to provide some in the future if other drawfags don't.

I'll be sure to make some requests next drawfag thread.

>>4064962
Superb.

This is currently the best thread on /jp/, take care of it and prune it regularly.

Geez, why didn't I think of this earlier.

Also, moemon pokemon firered/leafgreen mod sprite for sudowoodo, if anyone can find it.

Can't believe I didn't think of this sooner.

>>4066528
・・・close enough!