/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I wonder why Noa let the Mobile game go for free when he's been complaining about lack of funds to make Elin's Inn.

>>39516941
He got tricked in the contract. Those chinks are scum.

>>39516984
I'm surprised anyone's buying it, then.

The clay craft pot for fusion recipe calls for a stove. My paperwork food processor doesn't work. Is that a specific piece of furniture, or some other object I haven't come across yet?

>>39517710
It's a specific furniture piece called stove, yes.

Is there a way to rearrange spells and/or spacts in the menu?

A random glimps at proto Elona.
Noa's Etherwind

>>39522391
Looks kinda like Star Ocean.

>>39516984
how did you get this idea?

>>39522904
Some anon told me this a while past.

>>39523819
does he have any proof?

>>39524174
I don't think so. They told me that Noa gave the Chinks his permission.

Speaking of the Mobile, it has added their take on Yacatact of Wealth. Cornelia of Wealth.

>>39529166
How jewish is she?

Is Omake better than Elona+?
I was wondering if it was worth trying despite the language barrier and what not.

>>39531060
It's for people who prefers Vanilla Elona's pace

>>39531060
I feel they're about the same on quality, it really depends how much you enjoy grinding, since the OO variants focus moch more on that.

What parts should I engineer onto my fire dragon child? If it's going to be a MA specialist, are hands for tonfas and claws worth it?

>>39531666
Yeah. Eventually you'll just want empty hands for the flurry of extra attacks, but tonfas and claws are good anyway.

>>39531877
I've never done high level MA, do claws and tonfas prevent extra attacks? If that's the case I might skip hands unless there's some other benefit.
Legs and rings are the only other bodyparts I know of that I can gene engineer extras. Any creatures that give extra arms/backs/bodies/heads?

>>39532034
You can't do more than 4 attacks unless your hands are empty. On the other hand, the accuracy leaves something to be desired.

>>39532034
>Any creatures that give extra arms/backs/bodies/heads?
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_Gavela#Limb_addition_service

>>39531666
Putting shields in hands allows for extra tankiness. Use Element Eyes to set the pet's element to Nether and let him use Attribute for even more tankiness as every hit will do lifesteal.

>>39516984
>>39524174
>>39525298
I don't even need any proof to believe this. Anyone that knows how chinks do dealings knows they are absolute human garbage when negotiating.

Should I wait for Ano to fix hunger before starting a new game?
Haven't played since like 1.92

>>39516666
Pastebin anon.
At the request of an anon last thread I updated the current links for plus, added GX to the faq, and even gave links to mobile, though I have not added an FAQ question for it yet.

Would appreciate if any anons could read through and see anything in either file that is just wrong now. Or if any packs have been updated for mods that I should note.

Main
https://rentry.org/8vkaw
Mods
https://rentry.org/azzi6

>>39535831
Past the thread anon here, thanks!

>>39535831
By the way, for the mobile version you could just save time and put the link to the JP wiki there https://wikiwiki.jp/elonamobile/
It already comes with a very expansive FAQ page that is up to date.

Seems like the Granblue Fantasy music pack for Elona vanished a long time ago. Anyone happen to have a copy of it?

>>39536636
Not me, I only use the etriam pack

What's the latest CGX version?

>>39539081
https://github.com/Ruin0x11/ElonaPlusCustom-GX

>>39532067
Yeah, I know about that, I was hoping there were some gene engineering options so I don't have to tank her life score for a few extra slots.

Apparently 2.12 has dropped on Ano's site.

Also, reading through the changelogs since 1.90 makes me realize I should probably edit the pastes to reference guard breaks and analyze in some way...

On the wiki the dark fusion pot recipe says it creates dark orbs and links to a changelog that doesn't have any mention about dark orbs, or even mention devil fragments or the pot for fusion. What are they?

>>39539081
2.11

>>39536636
Here you go. I don't remember if I updated the music list for 2.06 or some other anon did. Might need to look if 2.11 added more songs or not in the musiclist.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aJkpt7v-uBZXf-5EGVoe82DquyJYGB4J/view

Will I fuck my game up if I get my speed to 2000?

>>39535831
Based pastebin anon

>>39516666
https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000042752

2.12 officially here.

>>39547164
>Regular attacks and spell casting were cheap compared to the damage they did and there was not much setting them apart from special actions.

>Thus, regular attacks and casting spells now also increase [the user's] guard break gauge by 1% on top of the SP cost.
>NPCs' guard break gauge will increase by 2% when casting spells.
>These increases cannot bring guard break gauge above 99%.

Ano REALLY wants people to use his Spacts I guess...

What's the best way to increase speed?

If I keep grinding out Literacy, at which point will I be able to reliably read anything? I'm just kind of staring at my identify books because I don't want to waste uses.

>>39547846
I really enjoy the Mobile version telling you the success rate of reading books.
The number of times I've died from reading, because it summons a horde of super powerful monsters...

>>39547931
That is precisely why I only read books on a stairway in the Puppy Cave. If I spawn a bunch of monsters I can just vanish and they can't follow.

>>39547846
Get 40 Learning so you can use Reading Party.

>>39546039
No.

If you really wanna fuck your game up though then get your perception to stupid high numbers.

>>39548524
why, what happens?

>cgx has been updated?
>release new version.

>>39547557
if Plus, traveling skill trains it

>>39549201
>make sure it's unplayable next time

Where can I get hermes blood that isn't the workshop?

>>39552081
Very rarely in dungeons.

>>39552095
At what level range?

Elona+ has hit the point, like DCSS, where I find myself wondering which version number I should pick, and stick with.

>>39555448
>same thing happened to me with CDDA
must be some unspoken rule that this shit has to happen.

>>39556447
Literally the case. The rule is 'all projects with no actual end goal will devolve into bloated wank eventually.' It's not just games. Firefox springs to mind. Utorrent...

The more you add random shit, the more people will look at one of your shits and think, you know, I don't actually want to deal with that.

>>39549156
Game chugs horribly because it's probably working out all the little autistic shit Elona is about like Hunger,drunkness,speed priority at =once= because with a fuckload of perception you're basically omniscent

>>39556485
I mean at least Elona+ already has an endgame so you can stop when Ano's faggotry is too much

>>39552151
I doubt that there is one. I've found it in some pretty low level dungeons and pickpocketed them from randos in towns. So if there is a minimum dungeon level for them to appear it's low enough to be irrelevant after a few hours on a character.

>>39557213
Probably need to pass the required time for rare drops to actually appear.
That said do CGX remove the time requirement?

>>39557410
What's the time requirement?

>>39558142
10 minutes.

Do any of the random dungeon types drop ore when mined anymore? The only places I've gotten ore drops are Vernis underground and Lesimas.

how much does elin's inn have to offer in terms of content right now?

>>39516666
Pastebin anon/jank ass translation anon here.

Turns out in addition to the last thirdish of act 3's cutscenes not being in GX, it also didn't have some new cutscene content/characters that Ano felt like going back and adding a few updates ago to make parts "have foreshadowing" or "make sense".

So I decided to take way too much time making a spreadsheet/dictionary of elona lore shit based on what translations we do have, then using that and deepl machine translator to go over every variation of phrases and words until the scenes at least made sense in context.

Does it mean they are perfect translations? Hell no, since I don't natively know moon runes. But after all was said and done it doesn't make my eyes bleed or make me feel like I am having a stroke to read it, so I will file this away as "good enough".

Made a pull request for GX anon, but in case it doesn't get added for whatever reason decided to share the scene2 file for those that might want it.

https://mega.nz/file/1P5RnaZR#nRhEwV1pq8TCcWVQBamycmoXSVfjKyqQImw_R1uDkyE

>>39558946
Puppy cave is where i go.

Why does it take more sp to cook again? It used to be only a handful.

>>39567249
I think this is it:
https://github.com/Ruin0x11/ElonaPlusCustom-GX/blob/work/2.05-custom-gx/skill.hsp#L361
In Custom-G, it's 3 instead of 15.

Another teaser from Noa today.

>>39516666
Any news on the inn?

>>39570362
>>39570750
Never mind, didn't scroll down.

>4/24,2022

>Here is a work-in-progress screenshot of Noyel. I'll introduce some of the new features today.

>There's a new equipment slot for light sources(as seen in the screenshot). This opens various options for lighting and fov both graphically and for gameplay-wise.
>As you can also see in the screenshot, Elona UI skin has been added. You can toggle between the 2 skins(the elona one and the existing immersive one) anytime by just pressing an icon beside the minimap.
>Snow is dynamic in Elin meaning any map can be covered by snow when in winter and you can see snow removed in snow maps like Noyel when in summer. You'll love seeing Palmia in snow :p
>Crafting system has also been revised. A new simple window for simple crafting has been added where you can, for example, just right-click your ingredient in your backpack to perform simple cooking. There also is an auto-refuel feature to ease your pain of repeated clicking. You can also use multiple ingredients for cooking when using top tier cooking facilities.

>制作途中のノイエルのマップです。今日は新機能を幾つか紹介したいと思います。

>スクリーンショットにあるように、光源用の新しい装備スロットが追加されました。ライティングやFOV関係で、グラフィック・ゲームプレイ両方で色々新しいことができるようになりそうですね。
>また、ElonaのUIスキンが追加されました。ミニマップの横にあるアイコンを押すだけで、いつでも2つのスキン（Elonaのと今まで使ってきた没入型のスキン）を切り替えることができます。
>Elinでは雪はダイナミックに変化します。通常マップも冬には雪に覆われ、ノイエルのような雪マップで夏に雪を取り除くことも可能になりました。 雪の積もったパルミアをお楽しみに！
>クラフトシステムも見直されました。簡単なクラフト用のウィンドウが追加され、例えばバックパックの食材を右クリックするだけで簡易料理ができるようになりました。 自動給油機能もあり、クラフト時のクリックの手間を軽減します。また、上級の調理施設では複数の食材を使って調理することができます。

What are some good unique special actions/passive abilities to get for pets? I usually just dominate a prostitute so they get some passive income with their ability to bone anything that moves.

>>39570362
Hopefully we could get into snowball fights with the kids again

>>39516666
Is there any math on just how fast the secret treasure of Jure helps reduce insanity?

Was debating using the new chaos book, but the sanity cost feels a bit annoying.

>>39570362
So how will handle quests since this one is more like a town builder than an actual roguelike

>>39577166
>Was debating using the new chaos book, but the sanity cost feels a bit annoying.

>mitigating insanity increases

be Drunk when reading
increase Mind resistances (Attribute Shield buff does work for this)
Use the Space Retention spact

>healing insanity

eat corpses or cooked food made from the corpses of Hell crab, indigo lobster, man-eater crab, giant squirrel, killer squirrel, fire crab, hermit crab
Use unicorn horns or statues of Jure
Go to Larna and walk on hot spring tiles at the southwest corner of the map or Arcbelc's hot springs at the Inn
Get a pet that can cast Rain of Sanity
Buy sister's lunches from the mansion of younger sister and eat them

Why can't i reserve spell book of wish in Luminest? I'm sure read that spell book before.

I've been playing this game for a while but never took it seriously until now, been told by a guy there's a way to get a farm for free, how do I do this?

>>39516666
Does anyone know how to make Elona work with linux?
I used Lutris to just run it with wine but there is no music.

Also, how do you play if you are on a laptop without a numpad? First time playing without one and everything feels off.
Was dumb enough to even try with controller to see if it felt less awful, and learned it is MORE unplayable because though you can pull the Z menu up you can't consistently hit the options that are diagonal.

>>39516666
Elona looks like this now? Since when?

>>39585531
You need to install pulse audio if you want to hear Midi. Aside from that i run elona fine under wine for the past 6 months.

>>39585369
You should go to Palmia and use the Big table near the Arena master to publish books to get cash to buy the deeds.

https://github.com/Ruin0x11/ElonaPlusCustom-GX/releases/tag/2.12.1.0

>>39586012
In addition to 2.12 changes, now all of act 3's cutscenes as well as the credits are translated.

>>39586012
>>39586307
Kumiromi bless CGX

>>39585314
Because that'd break the game. You can't reserve Harvest either.

>>39585713
>make 100k monies and 1k fame out of nothing in 2 minutes
How long has this been a thing? Searching for it on the wiki gives no results, and I haven't seen it referenced anywhere in game. I wouldn't know the feature existed at all if not for your post.

The Mobile version teaches me how annoying the Aliens are. Just not as easy to keep Poison or Acid on hand in Mobile.

>>39590756
>Searching for it on the wiki gives no results
Nevermind. Searching for "publish" gives no results but "publishing" found the relevant changelogs.

>>39590771
Do the shops not sell them?

>>39590832
They can. The stocks in shops in Mobile are much smaller, and only restock in real time. Or you can restock 3 times per day with a refresh - but this is shared amongst all shops.

>>39590756
I can't believe this is a thing
I never knew the big table did anything

>>39517710
>>39517837
So after almost a week of checking every furniture vendor and destroying the stoves in Lumiest, Palmia, and Port Kapul hoping one would respawn light enough to steal, I finally got a stove from a wish. I made some pretty nice furniture and one of these creepy little fucks.
Apparently IRL bisque dolls are porcelain dolls famed for their realistic matte skin texture. From what I've seen, a few of them do look surprisingly realistic, but most of them just look like low budget horror movie props.

>>39570362
Damn that's comfy, I wanna stay where it never stops snowing

>>39592033
What's the purpose of publishing? just money?

>>39585713
Thank you anon, I have officially become a filthy rich homoerotica self-publishing ram ranch farmboy, it's all I could have ever asked for.

>>39585700
I have pulse audio installed.
But no music

>>39594177
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiMidity%2B%2B

Wait, how do I self publish? I want to be rich as hell too

>>39595270
nvm got it, old saves need the tables to be changed out. They wont work with older ones.

I can now afford the maid mansion. Now all I need to do is beat the doggods ass, and then kill that regenerating horror that just spawned a bunch of high level mobs. This character is years old but act 3 soon. I can feel it.

>>39595471
I remember long ago using shining wave to plink at the dog then teleport since everything else was too dangerous.

>>39595556
I just tried him again. Hes still tough and I had to bail. I'll have to think of a way to cheese him. At least I have a base of operations now on south tyris.

The Hunger being fixed now, means less food stat gaining. Damn. I was getting used to the high hunger rate.

Is it just me or is the countdown from the shops disappear in 2.12 GX?

2.12 has broken precious ally option. I can select precious ally to be the donor. It's time to go back to 2.10 i guess.

>>39595790
>>39595818
I mess up when updating. Nothing wrong with the new version. Sorry for False Flagging.

Is there ANY way to remove curse from non-equipped items? Cause I am making a potion of cure corruption stockpile and one of the ones I got is cursed, I'd rather not sell it unless I really have to.

>>39596035
loonixanon....

>>39596036
Spray holy water

>>39596035
Anon you can't just spread misinformation on the internet!

Trying to figure out Custom AI and boy, it's going poorly. I wanted to try and teach my Little Girl Shadow Step, but I can't figure it out at all. And even if I could, I'm not sure how you even set up just a basic 'attack things'.

>>39596082
Try to sandwich the special action you're teaching them between movement commands so they don't get stuck. Basically, start with something like 'if enemy distance > 3 or 4, move towards them' and try to end with 'if enemy distance = 1, move away from them.' If you run into any problems with pets getting stuck due to map layout, play around with the distance values until it works.
Once you have their movement ai in a good spot you can start putting more stuff in the middle, like 'if pet's hp >50% and if enemy distance =1, attack'

>>39596155
I never considered you have to really 'program' every single thing in that way. While its a cool idea, I feel it'd help if people did it like Mabinogi's Pet AI - and just post up known working things.

Unrelated to my laziness and whining, I have no clue how you're meant to actually advance in the Fighter's Guild. I don't think I've seen a single Zap Mandrake in 20 levels.

>>39516666
Pastebin Anon.
For whatever reason I have felt compelled to do a bunch of random shit for this game.
So have a dumb spritesheet made with sprites I like with no rhyme or reason.
Mega-link with the bmp:
https://mega.nz/file/ZaBDCDaR#qRfI3agjR6i4eWKu8QFM-0cUCpsnVlGoLQId3GJjSSQ

Playing 2.12GX
Is there any vendor that sells Nine god signs? I lost mine really early on.

>>39596398
Looking at these reminds me, has anyone ripped out the portraits from the Mobile version? I wonder if any would look good used in Elona+ or something.

>>39596552
You can betray your current God and worship another one in truce ground. Doing that will drop another Nine god signs.

>>39596398
This looks like an updated version of the WhateverWorks sheet, are you the same guy?

>>39601052
Yeah I am the same guy. I'll be honest, the fact anyone even remembers my WhateverWorks sheet enough to recognize it is a surprise.

I gave it a new name on a whim, might swap it back since WhateverWorks is shorter.

>>39601669
Ha! Well, keep up the good work, love how it looks.

>>39596398
Oh these are the nice sprites I remember seeing in the omake.

What's the definitive version of this to be playing in Japanese, like the one all the nips themselves would play?

>>39603173
Its just text bro. This didn't even have a translation for the story the longest time.

>>39596398
Forgive me being a clueless newfag. How would I use this? For that matter, how would I use the single sprites I can save off sozai?

>>39604127
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Customization

>>39603311
yeah and I wanna read it in Japanese.

How do I fuck a God?

>>39604827
Then read it in Japanese NERD

>>39605946
brings me back to my original post
>>39603173

Was there an update for hunger yet?

>>39606750
There was. It feels so slow now, I got spoiled by the quicker rates.

>>39603173
Feels like the nips like OO more so play that instead

I'm too scared to travel far from the starting town/cave since that's where I stash all my loot. What do?

>>39608000
return scrolls are dirt cheap and often spawn in dungeons.

>>39608000
Just become a chad rich homoerotic author. Grind quests until you get 30k gold, use a large table, there is one in the starting town in the adventurer's guild or whatever it's called, the place you identify stuff in. Then, write the fuck out of some books and commence with selling them to everyone.

Why do I keep hearing shit breaking everytime I enter a map?

Also what the fuck is a Necro lancer? fucker attacked me out of nowhere in town?

>>39608261
A random monster. Some NPC in that town is probably wearing gear with the "may attract monsters" curse.

>>39608429
Oh ok, Thought it was some kind of assassin that came to take me out or something

>>39606133
>change text to japanese
Its in the options you double nerd

>>39608974
Nah. He is asking to cast aside his gaijin body and only play the derivative of his freeware japanese melon simulator that true japanese patriots would play.

>>39516666
How easy is it to lose necromancy coffins?
Like, if I have all my spooks out and something kills me do I lose all of them, or just the ones that were killed and send back to their coffins?

My only successful run was a no magic tourist with 5 pets, so I wanted to give necromancy a shot (since it is like pets but none of the baby sitting to level and gear them, as well as not worrying about MY gear really other than resists). But constantly having to replace all my spooks seems like a pain.

Should I try out a solo MA character instead? Maybe try to actually use the magic system for once?

is there any other place they discuss this game actively? specifically on 2ch or anywhere else
asking cuz im wondering if the jps talk about this game as much as this place does

is elins inn realtime or turn based?

You can choose if I recall

>>39611892
>>39614813

>have palace
>have magic locomotive
>have shop, museum, farm and ranch
So what do I spend my money on now? Just investing in magic shops and buying potions of potential? Any high dollar furniture besides bbq sets I should watch for?

YIS Just beat the doggod. I am go for beating act 2.

>>39619039
Grats. What's your build/strategy?

Alright anons. After I finish puttering around with sheets and UI I am going to try and do my first run since 1.9. Want your thoughts on helping me pick from my awful ideas.

>Gonna do a retarded roleplay about my last tourist character that beat enthu with a party of pets celebrating then getting wiped out by the big bad because he cheesed his way there with dumb strats, low stats, and lulwy porn mags. Sent back in time as a lich or something. Got a couple of playstyles in mind
>Maybe going necromancer and using the coffin remake to make my undead fusion targets look like my old 5 pets. Invoking their spirits or whatever.
>Maybe just trying out MA and rolling around solo.
>Or maybe try and fail to make a necro that punches people.

>>39619600
I vote for the last one. I can never focus on a specific playstyle personally, I end up playing a spellslinging, sharpshooting, melee master with a dozen pets at least as buff as me. Maybe it's just a +C thing, but it seems easy to keep a wide variety of skills and stats growing in parallel. Or at least not very much harder than just laser-focusing on a single playstyle.
Then again I've never even tried necromancy, so maybe that impression doesn't apply. Still, I vote necropuncher.

>>39619419
Warrior. My strategy has been stubbornness and my build is ignorance/what I think is cool.
As an actual answer I started the game as sword and board but dipped into magic for buffs and can shoot good. I have breath attacks which are kinda eh but make me feel better. Also stuff like violent garden, magic wave, ect, all the fun stuff you pick up. I guess I have sand cannon now. I also picked up continuous attack from that AP guy. It worked well. My pets did end up tanking a bit for me and only the little girl was left standing but I got him.

>>39617736
Bio Printer is a very useful item.Use them on Vesda.

I recently updated to 2.11+CGX and I noticed it takes way more stamina to cook than I remember, is this a recent change or did I break something?

>>39621407
Why are you not playing 1.12?

>>39621561
Do you actually mean 1.12 or did you mean 2.12? To answer your question, I just like getting new content, though I should learn my lesson and just sit on a good version for a while before updating.

>>39621588
Meant 2.12, I'm mentally retarded, sorry.

>>39621652
Did 2.12 fix it? also after getting into some real fights I noticed the 1 SP per attack is just terrible and basically disables you if you use a few skills, what the hell was ano thinking?

>>39621938
>what the hell was ano thinking?
He doesn't even play his own game anymore

>>39621407
>>39567899

which vendors have the most gold or is it random?

>>39624100
You need to invest in them to give them more gold

Do townsfolk tell lies in April for April Fool's day? Or have I picked up some hidden attribute that's making everyone talk shit and it's only a coincidence that it's April?

>>39625308

>>39625874
They got me. The first lie I saw was about api nuts making blade corpses edible. It seemed plausible enough to send me to the wiki.

I'm an ancient who's been away from Elona for multiple years and looking to get back into it, so I apologize in advance if these questions might seem obvious/dumb to thread regulars.

1) What are the major elona branches nowadays? The pastebins mostly just list download links but have no info about the actual differences between branches, or when they were last updated (i.e., which branches are dead vs actively developing). Back when I last played the two English competing branches were E+Custom and OO.

2) What's up with OP's picture? Is that another Elona2 mockup, a graphical overhaul, or its own branch?

>>39628824
The main pastebin should talk about some of the differences in the FAQ.

1.
>Elona+ definitive version is now Elona+ custom gx.
>After custom and custom g died, an anon finally had the common sense to takeall their changes and tweaks, make them all optional except the translations, and shove them on github along with their own hand made elona decompiler so if THEY kick the bucket it shouldnt be as hard for someone to pick up the torch.
>Ano's fanfic story is fully complete, and with the latest custom gx release has at least not awful translations for all of of the cutscenes and I THINK basically everything else except cards and a couple items.
>Not as familiar with omake branches, but I think oomsestnc or somethingis the newest branch.

#2
>Noas attempt at a rune factory/dwarf fortress elona variant called Elin's Inn
>Has a playable alpha I believe.

Since when could you write books at wooden tables? I'm making 100k gold every few days just by making manuscripts in Palmia by the arena master at his desk. It's been a good source of income.

>>39516666
Seems I am willing to do whatever it takes to do things related to this game that aren't actually playing the game.
Made my own graphics pack, with character, item, interface, and BG replacements using whatever I found that I liked and thought worked for Elona+.
The WhateverWorks Pack.
Hope some of yall get a kick out of it, just put the pics in your graphics folder and overwrite.
If you don't like the meme title it is packages with 2 replacements. Just rename title2 or 3 to title.bmp as you prefer.

https://mega.nz/file/8SByXKIR#dIH9EnVmjqgt8Gt9W42mKTkQ8l6cSWl2pQakJ7W5sYc

>>39631228
Question.
I found a character face sheet that uses Rueken's (or at least a good imitation) for more than half the faces, but leaves the rest default elona sprites.
Anons think it is worth including or too jank with the art difference?

>>39631228
I know the feeling. I'll spend more time putting together sprites for my pets than playing half the time.

Why am I always wetting? Is this a GX thing?

>>39631788
Have you checked the tweak menu yet?

Anyone remember that one site where the jp players would upload elona sprites and PCCs? It was like a database, or imageboard without text posts.

What changes does gx make to gravity sphere, graviton buster, and violent garden? I see a tweak for it but no documentation.

Is there a starter guide to E+? Last one is from 2015, and it isn't even readable due to pastebin auto-privating it.

>>39631917
For the specifics you would need to read the changelog. But the tweak reverts the nerf ano gave to those spacts because he believed they were too strong.

In E+, is high speed still a big penalty in the mid game due to nerfing AP gains, like it was a few years ago?

>>39631858
>>39604581
>ElonaUploader - a Japanese image host for Elona sprites

To whomever does the pastebin: I merged the old monster girl char sprite sheet with the most recent (2.12.1.0) sprite sheet, so it should work with the latest version.

https://mega.nz/file/oFwmXChI#vJ-XEYGCrIswKK2ZJYxl9_RKksr9O-q4d6TdiokD_Y4

Anyone know what the heck a Potioman is?

>>39635640
It's based on a Japanese toy that shoots bottlecaps.

Was he based?

>>39638167
What the fuck was even his plan? Genocide the Eleas so people will regret being racist?

>>39638214
>Boohoo I couldnt make people stop being shit, so I want to die causing as much pain in the world as possible so my name will go down in history.
Was the gist of it.

Is this good enough for Lesimas?

>>39638481
Sasuga Noa-san, how will he top that masterplan?

How do I cure only negative mutation? It happened once but I don't remember what I did.

>>39640346
Most sure fire way is potions of evolution.
Since good mutations overwritbad ones.

>>39640523
Ah I guess I was just lucky a potion of cure mutation once got precisely the negative one I was trying to cure. I lost that save tho.

>>39516666
Where's the latest beautify mod?

>>39639226
A bit too overleveled

>>39620030
Why Vesda in particular?

>>39642980
Gives you extra fire reistance, I think even beyond what you can normally get from corpses.

>>39643011
Ah, I was thinking the bioprinter only gave a figurine. Didn't realize it gave a corpse too. Could've just checked the wiki. Thanks.

>>39643438
It's pretty neat when you find an enemy that gives a rare resistance, you can get as many guaranteed corpses as you have printers.

PSA
Eating a raw weapon with "it brings an end" will, in fact, bring an end. Now I know why that adventurer traded it for some grape sherbet.

also wondering about >>39561437
should I play it now or wait until it's done for the full experience?

>>39644082
Just wait it out since content is still pretty sparse right now. also I don't know how to get the latest build

>>39634004
So I noticed that the beautify mod ended up overwriting quite a number of the monstergirl tileset, so I merged the two and plucked out the overwritten files that (in my opinion) didn't look as good. The end result is basically a beautify+monstergirls graphics pack. Like the previous post it's up-to-date with the most recent version of E+ (2.2.1.0). It also includes a bunch of PCCs to boot.

Also... as an unintended side effect, this also doubles as an updated version of the beautify mod, since it has all the additional sprites from the latest E+ version that beautify mod is missing. So assuming you don't mind some monsters turning into monster girls, you can use this patch to play with beautify on the latest version of E+.

If you're reading this pastebin anon, maybe disregard adding the last link I posted and use this one instead since it looks much better anyways.

https://mega.nz/file/tQpgDYqK#5GU58x60eDYsiCOjCcbvCb-qzYF2T06VWGd42Uk03c4

>>39645074
Pastebin anon here.
Busy this weekend but I plan on unshitifying the mods pastebin as soon as possible and will add it as like... monstrous beauty pack or just sticking a note about the monster girl sheet.

Honestly I might take all the outdated packs and shove it in a new section at the bottom of the rentry page since new people that try to read just see a wall of stuff most of them can't use.

Probably a stupid question, but are whateverworks and beautify/monstergirl compatible?
I've read the customization wiki pages that were linked here. Maybe I'm just retarded but they didn't help me much.

>>39645750
I took some elements of an old beautify imterface whenever I made whateverworks. And whatever works itself is just changes to files that would be in the graphics folder.

If you want to "combine" them just place the beautify files where they go, and then look through your graphic folder and swap out whatever you want from WhateverWorks. There arent THAT many files.

So as I understand it, E+ now spans three continents. This begs the question: What should I do about placing all my deeds? Is there some sort of travel hub I should place them all around to save myself a lot of headache in the future? Does everyone just place new deeds on each continent as they progress? Or does some sort of quick-travel system unlock later on that doesn't make housing locations that important?

>>39645750
The way the game files are structured, it uses the big sheets of sprites (character.bmp, face1.bmp, etc, in the /graphics/ folder) by default.

However, there's then an override folder under /user/graphics/ which has a higher priority, so you can overwrite specific sprites without having to open those huge sheets and re-save them in MSPaint. So if I have a file in there called chara_1.bmp, the game will use that instead of whatever is in position #1 on the character.bmp sheet.

So that's basically how you can edit your games' appearance for items/faces/monsters. You can delete overrides or add overrides to the /user/graphics/ to change which sprites get displayed.

>update linux mint
>elona breaks
Feelin kinda butthurt.

>>39647692
That's what you get for trying to avoid spyware.

>>39647692
Sounds like you're not on stable/LTS. If that's the case, you literally signed up for stuff breaking.

>>39596398
Speaking of character sprites, here is one I was using back in Elona+ 1.95. Will definitely need new stuff added on, but I've been using this one for so long I don't even remember if it's in one of the pastebin spritesheets anymore.

>>39650216
And then this is the character portraits I was using in Elona+ 1.95. I think I grabbed this one from before Elona+ came to being even; I've been using it for so long that I don't even remember what the 'original' ones look like. Unless this is the actual original for Elona+?

>>39638214
IIRC Noa said that he was originally going to expand on it in part 2.

>>39650536
No, that looks to be a bunch of sprites taken from different artists. Elona Plus mostly has MT's sprites and then Ano's attempts to mimic her style after she died.

>>39603173
Definitely vanilla 1.16 though lately omake variants are recommended a lot. Plus is generally taboo to even speak of.

>>39650958
So what you're saying is that I should ceaselessly scream about E+ whenever I see a Jap?

>>39609832
Shitaraba has the Elona板（餅）, which is a general Elona board but in practice is mostly vanilla discussion. It also has a link for searching 5ch for Elona threads. Plus can pretty much only be discussed in Shitaraba's ElonaPlus 避難所, though Custom and its variants are explicitly banned. 5ch appears to have threads up for mobile, vanilla, and SEST, though the SEST thread is probably filled with trolls. I believe that most omake variant discussion has moved to Discord servers.

>>39651050
Only if you do not like them or are trying to get banned from some BBS or server.

Where did Noa get his art?

>>39651191
>Custom and its variants are explicitly banned
Because it's made by westerners?

>>39653309
You can find details in the in-game credits and some of the included text files, but generally its free assets originally made for RPG Maker haphazardly stretched to fit Elona. Most of them are hard to get redistribution permissions for now so most variants do not redistribute them, and Ano convinced Japanese anons to remake a bunch of them in native resolution so he could.

>>39653334
No, its because Ano's stance on custom is
>I can barely overlook it.
and on Custom G is
>I'm begging you please stop.
so you are apparently allowed to post screenshots from Custom but not talk about Custom only content, and CG (and CGX) is just completely banned.

>>39653462
So Ano is just butthurt then?

>>39653536
Yeah. To his credit he still did go out of his way to avoid breaking some stuff in Custom though.

Fire crab or Hermit Crab?

>>39654616
Hermit crab for stardust.

>>39654642
4like a pet tho

>>39654800
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Fire_crab

>>39654895
Hm. Hermit gains the cArmor Bit when evolved but the firecrab has some sweet skills. HOWEVER Yadonashi sounds and looks cooler. Guess I got some thinkin to do.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the best practice concerning weapon/armor skills? Should I be rotating between them for the extra attribute gain, or should I be avoiding doing that at all cost because it could inflate my character level?

>>39656555
I've never seen anybody rotate skills. Character level is a non-issue nowadays because most of the changes associated with it are now dependent on fame instead, but changing weapons and armor to grind otherwise unused skills sounds like a pain, and food is a much better way to gain stats.anyway.

Best way to level low level pets?

>>39658920
gene engineering or letting them loose on a dungeon they can solo.

Does anyone know if those daily x3 learning speed effects in E+ have an impact on spending skill points (either in potential or skill)? Or do they work like any other day?

>>39646360
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Scrolls#Return

The Return spell, and the scroll that casts it, is the closest you can get to having a fast travel hub in Elona.

On the subject of real estate, there is no harm on putting your buildings in North Tyris, if only because the earlier you start on them the better. The only real exception are Dungeons; they are better storage shacks that don't require maintenance, so feel free to put plenty of them all across the world and put caches of useful items or stashes of items you want to sell in your Shop in them.

>>39660940
>dungeons
You can store 50 more items on a discarded ranch, the price is about the same, and you can buy them at will. Not to mention that they also double as Dojo-style pet storage.

What's the story behind Elona mobile I keep seeing mentioned in the wiki? It's got Noa's name on it, but given his glacial pace of work and preoccupation with making another game, does that mean he's just licensed IP permissions to a mobile game developer and they're making it without any Noa inputwork?

>>39661844
Dungeons can be bought in Act 1, and... that's pretty much their only advantage over discarded ranches.

Is it true ano made it so dreams dont take away resistances from eating corpses?
Is it finally worth it to gourmet hunt some creatures?

>>39664621

>>39663004
Noa gave them permission to use the Elona IP commercially for absolutely nothing in return. They have been in contact but I don't think Noa has been directly involved in the development at all. Apparently Noa is pretty lenient as long as you ask permission and aren't making something too fucked up.

>>39665196
is this from 2.12?

Does anyone know where to find good examples or templates for Tactical Instructions (the customize pet AI thing)? I'm sure there are hardcore E+ players out there who could write better ones than some rando newbie like me.

Hopefully there's one that can get Young Lady to stop hitting friendlies with potions.

Can someone explain how the memory converter works? Am I supposed to use it on enemies with high relevant skill to drain it from them? Or is it something you use on friendlies to "recycle" SP from useless skills to be spent on useful ones?

>>39668195
The latter.
Lets you "respec" basically from what I remember

>>39666304
2.07
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_(Elona%2B)/2.00_-_2.09

>>39668467
That said, you can also sell Memory Converters to merchants for like 4000 gold each, which is the only real use for Memory Converters that convert skills you actually want to use.

>>39631788
Are you holding a magaqua?

>>39647692
Should have used debian.

What's a good use for my first Evolution Heart? There are like 30 different options so it's hard to effectively compare all the different choices. Any of the available options tend to perform a lot better than their peers, or have unexpected usefulness?

>>39516666
Pastebin anon once again.
Frankly, the way the pastes were setup previously seemed to be an absolute mess for any "beginners" that came to them.

So I reorganized the main bin, moved the old unmaintained from downloads to an "outdated" section at the end so newbs don't have as much choice paralysis.

Tried to fix the FAQ and explain why omake variants sound like light novel titles.
Gonna try and back up the guides tomorrow to rentry and delete the purged pastebin links. Then handle the mods pastebin and get that updated with the stuff anons have posted here.

If you see any other stuff that needs fixing or adding let me know please.

>>39671673
Forgot the link...
https://rentry.org/8vkaw#faq

>>39637475
Thanks, though I meant more what are Potiomen in-game. They apparently have bullets... are they some sort of deployable turrets? Or a type of gun? Or some other function? Google has almost no results on them in the context of Elona.

>>39672355
They're tools, like the rocket launcher things. You gain a glass stopper or something each time you drink a potion, and Potiomen shoot them, dealing damage based on your Strength and Marksman. You can also blend them with potions to add your Magic to their damage as well, but all the "potion charge" is used up with each shot, and after shooting one four times you'd have to spend a turn reloading it before you could fire it again.
If you want any more details, let me know; there was a lot of discussion about them in a previous thread, and I took notes.

>>39671503
just b urself

>>39671503
You can do whats the best, or you can do what you like.
I currently have a lizardman(girl), a blackwidow, a harpy, and a friggin hermitcrab.

>>39672863
Might as well post all your notes then. The thread is moving slow enough it won't be disruptive to any conversations, and it won't hurt to let more people see it since it's a pretty new feature.

>>39674528
Not the guy but:

They're [T]ools you use from your inventory. As for the damage, it can be respectable if you use the cf potioman type, upgrade it with dual shooting, and feed it enough dyes to get it to +4, so that it can hit as hard as it can once fired.

The thing about potiomen is that once they're loaded up with ammo and maxed enchant value they cost you nothing to fire. They don't need MP or stamina, and reloading them with potions and caps can and should be done out of combat. They also weigh only 0.6 stone each so you can carry a lot of them with you at once.

Potiomen are generally best used as alpha strike weapons to burst down dangerous boss enemies such as Big Daddies (preferably with the help of Fury status) and the main quest nemeses.



Screwed around with potiomen some more, here are my findings.

- Potiomen are best used to either burst down a boss quickly, which the cf type is best at due to how they work, or to eliminate dangerous mobs before they can do much damage relatively cheaply.

- The only potiomen types worth using are super and cf. The ordinary shots of super do the most damage of all potiomen types, while cf potiomen are for loading to +4 with dyes and alpha striking bosses, preferably with Fury status applied. Use supers for mobs you do not want to screw around with like Xeren Satellite Units, quicklings, bomb rocks, and the like. This works because the dangerous mobs in Elona tend not to be that durable to begin with but have things like jacked Speed and evasion, or teleport away and heal themselves, or toss out status effects and debuffs that make it hard to attack them normally.

- Crush potiomen proc grenade when fired with one round left. Not only does this not scale well lategame due to resistances but you have to waste three shots beforehand if you want the grenade ready. Don't bother.

- Battle potiomen buff your defense when used until your next turn. Sounds nicer than it really is, because trying to tank something like an executioner is the last thing you should be doing.

- You want to upgrade cfs with dual shot, always, so their single attack at +4 hits as hard as it can. Supers you have a bit more leeway in that you have the option for dimming + decap, 10% more damage, or confusion + stamina damage. The latter tends to be the safest since confusion is good at messing with enemy actions, especially spellcasters.



On further testing, the always max damage upgrade will outdamage the 10% bonus upgrade the great majority of the time, so I stand corrected, the max damage upgrade is always the best for super potiomen.

The +80% damage but uses two caps upgrade, however, WILL almost always outdamage the max damage upgrade. Hence you want them to hit as hard as possible to begin with - a cf potioman can have its enhance value go up to +4 instead of +3 like the other potiomen, and cfs giving potions triple value upon charge means they can be enhanced very cheaply. You can give them four dyes to max out their enhance between battles, and yes I do recommend you charge them out of combat since four or five turns to reload a weapon is way too much. Like I said, they're for alpha strikes not sustained fire.

TL;DR - Upgrade supers with max damage and use them for prolonged battles, upgrade cfs with dual shot and always charge them to +4 before firing, use them to do big bursts of damage to bosses. Crushes and battles are inferior, don't use them.

How do I make money making books?

>>39678804
Linux Unan here, you need to walk around the world map for a while and entering Vernis and use the big table near the trainer. Be sure to have 30000 gold first.

>>39570362
>>39516666
Haven't played Elona since 2016 or something, what's this? A mod?

>>39645074
Thanks for this, I've been using it for a couple of days. While it loses a little readability in some cases, it's definitely a whole lot prettier.
However it seems to be missing sprites for a lot of (maybe all?) recent content. I've noticed quite a few things that appear as a solid color square that fills the tile, all recently added.
Items: filtration bottle, the aurtehom, all potioman variants, socks (not the sox weapon, but a new thing that rarely drops on death, or always with duel glove kill)
Creatures: mag count, alraune, hogweeder, the new comingsoon twintail npc at the truce grounds
I haven't left North Tyris yet, so that list is almost certainly not exhaustive. I know there are more new creatures I haven't encountered yet. In any case, while it's compatible with the latest version, it's not exactly up to date. Might be better to leave it out of the pastebin for now.

>>39671503
Get a Scout Boy, give him a rubynus claw and shield, load him up with resistances, and have Leold teach him Provoke, Tactical Martial Arts, Tactical Heal, and Variable Breath. Also give him Increased Quality Up, the Charm Trait, and the Barrier Trait. Use the Element Eyes from Miral to set the Scout Boy's element to Mind. Any leftover AP should be used to increase the Scout Boy's Life.

Scout Boys can use Killing Dance innately, which lets them counterattack physical attackers to death if they evade their attacks, and yes they can counter ranged attackers. Provoke keeps mob attention on the Scout Boy, the Clear Mind learned with Tactical Martial Arts increases Evasion when buffed, and Charm auto-counters physical attackers with Dim making them even more likely to miss.

Both Attribute and Variable Breath with the Mind element set lets the Scout Boy Confuse mobs, the former with his normal attacks and the latter as an AoE. Confusion makes it difficult for mobs to get off spells and special actions which Killing Dance does not work on, and is thus desirable.

Literally everything else is there to help the Scout Boy not die.

>>39676722
I'm the guy you're talking about!

Yeah, Potiomen can be very useful. Or at least the two types already mentioned. I should probably mention that magic vendors are your friend if you want lots of caps to fire due to easy access to cheap potions, and that it's worth reminding people that you ALWAYS CHARGE CF POTIOMEN OUT OF BATTLE since it takes four turns to max out the charge with dyes, unless you want to feed expensive and useful potions to the toy to charge it faster.

CF dual-shots can and should be carried in bulk if you want to rattle off a bunch of max-power shots in a row. Max damage supers you can get away with only have one or two since reloading them only takes a turn.

>>39681044
Are caps an actual item? I drink potions often enough and I've never seen one, or gotten any feedback in game to suggest I'm increasing an invisible cap quality or whatever. Also what about consuming potions with alchemical rain or liquid manipulation? Or pets using potions? Do those uses give caps too?

>>39681411
They're the global value GDATA_FLAG_TOTAL_POTION_PLUGS. Both of those spacts increase it (proc.hsp), as well as throwing, drinking, and mixing potions (action.hsp). Only the player's actions can increase the value.

>>39681411
Every time you reload a Potioman, or try to, it'll tell you how many caps you have.

But in general if you're using potions regularly you should have caps. Dunno about pets, townies, or mobs using potions but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.

>>39680956
That's weird, they're all working in my game version... maybe I failed to upload ALL the necessary files, which is possible since the game as three graphics folders /graphics/, /user/graphics/, /user/graphics2/. Give me a bit and I'll try uploading a more complete version.

>>39680956
>>39682675
Okay, just looked, and for some reason the zip uploaded contained the old versions that were missing sprites. Dunno why, maybe a failed overwrite somewhere. Anyway it's fixed now.

In addition, I got off my lazy arse to fix the busted beautify HUD elements (which in previous versions I was too lazy to do, so just used the default E+ ones). If you don't like the new UI you can easily just overwrite interface.bmp in the graphics folder with the one from E+ to roll the changes back.

The latest version as of this posting should be monstergirlgraphics212.zip, so if it doesn't have the 212 at the end you may be accidentally extracting the older busted copy you downloaded before.

https://mega.nz/file/hd4DkRqS#8N4yhGAUQmQC1vXCpSmZBcTul14dRIDu0JFCpNsq63Y

>>39682675
>>39682933
You're a saint, anon. I'll try it when I get off work, and report back tomorrow.

>>39516666
Say, I wonder if its possible to edit in custom quests into the game? Mostly to recruit certain NPCs you normally need an Astral Light Pen to get them.

hey /jp/
i've never played elona before, finally scraped together enough pp to get weightlifting, sense quality, fishing on OOMSEST.

it seems like it's very, very difficult to survive enemy critical hits, since they ignore all defensive layers when they trigger (?).
what can I do with my fishing income to build healthpool to keep up with the game's difficulty scaling?

Can anyone elaborate what the game means when a shopkeeper puts items in the vault? Are these just randomly-selected items you're selling they decide to put away? Or are these new items they find and/or trade for?

>>39686736
>Or are these new items they find and/or trade for?
This

New to this game. Anyone care to explain how building relations with npcs work? I don't reallu understand what "Impress" and "Attract" are, from my knowledge of other games I can only assume "attract" is how much I can talk with someone in a given time, and "Impress" is their opinion of my character with 50 being neutral.
Even if those are true I have no idea how to raise those. Talking just lowers both, and doing work will raise "impress" jobs seem to be one and done for npcs

>>39687069
Attract is basically patience; how much you can interact with an NPC in one go before they start thinking, "Jesus, doesn't this guy ever shut up?" Basically so you can't just sit there farming an NPC to max relation in one sitting, but rather have to interact with them regularly over a decently long time.

Impress is the actual relations. 50 for neutral, 100-200 for friends, 200+ for soul mates (which for other adventurers means they'll obey your every whim).

You can raise impress by, among other things, giving them food laced with love potion (requires they already decently trust you), having sex with them (give them alcohol, proposition sex), or helping them in combat, trading with them, and so on.

>>39687104
That's what I was kind of catchig onto but after hours of playing it was still too subtle for me to understand entirely, Thank you

If I bioprinter a town NPC (which the wiki says it considers an attack), are they permanently hostile, or will they calm down after you leave the map and/or wait a few days?

>>39688181
>8181▶
I usally interact with them after using bio printer.

i keep missing except when i crit or when i'm way above enemy's level
how 2 fix this?
ma btw

>>39660129
it did when destiny first appeared, now it doesnt.

>>39682933
Good news, bad news. The good news is that the missing sprites are fixed.
The bad news is that a whole lot of other things are changed from your prior upload. All item sprites and all overmap tiles other than dungeons/towns/etc are reverted to vanilla, the UI (which WAS new in your other upload) is now mostly reverted to vanilla but with a handful of elements from beautify (I guess?) that are visibly mismatched, the starting menu background is vanilla again, and there are nonvanilla portraits that are different from the prior nonvanilla portraits. Worst of all, a whole lot of creature sprites are different from the ones in your first upload, including about half my active party. Notably, the black angel and cute fairy are a lot worse than before, sidegrades to vanilla IMO, and my witch (2x evolved little girl) went from cute girl in a cat hoodie to pissed off archer trying to go supersaiyan. My adult dragon flame went from fire dragon, to fire dragon that's also an anime girl, and now to orange vaguely dragonesque slutty anime girl, which I guess isn't necessarily worse, but the other sprite looked better.
In summary, the problem was fixed but a bunch of stuff changed, almost universally for the worse.
I would switch back but I didn't save the first zip, and you already deleted the upload.
I'd really appreciate if you would reupload the zip from >>39645074 I promise I won't ask you for anything else. I can live with a few missing sprites.

>>39682933
Oh, and I forgot to mention yesterday, both of your uploads include a save folder, which I'm guessing isn't intentional. I didn't notice before I copied the first one and let it replace files. I don't think it fucked anything up, my game has been loading and playing normally since, but I do have a niggling anxiety that I've damaged my save in some subtle way that won't be apparent until later.

>>39693486
Sorry about that, but to be fair I did specify it was a monster girl tileset. So it should be hardly a surprise some monsters became monster girls. That said, since the previous versions were missing sprites, it means they weren't edited by me -- they were probably the obsolete Beautify tileset (as the default E+ tileset wouldn't be missing tiles). So if you want your old tilesets back you can delete the characters.bmp and replace it with the one from the beautify download (but it will be missing new sprites). Alternatively you can just use the vanilla E+ tilesets.

Or if you really want to put in the work everything, you can cut the sprites you want out of the beautify character sheet, and post them in the overrides folder /user/graphics/ with the appropriate name.

Concerning the UI, same as the character tilsets; I didn't create those, I just updated the Beautify one and added it. The previous one was the vanilla E+ UI. So if you don't like the Beautify one, just delete the interface.bmp and replace it with the E+ one.

And the save folder, I forgot about that. It's not mine, it was one the original beautify author left in his last upload, but I guess I forgot to delete it.

Does anyone know how to create "field" tiles for farming? It doesn't seem like they created using the house board's map editors like most terrain.

>>39694017
I think you've misunderstood my post. Or ignored crucial parts of it. I haven't complained of any monsters becoming girls. I would show you screenshots but I can't post from home.
I don't want to get persnickety with someone doing a nice thing for free or repeat myself. Maybe make a fresh copy of the game somewhere and drop in the last thing you uploaded to see what it looks like. I honestly wondered if it was a clever (and successful) trolling attempt due to how thoroughly and consistently so many things were downgraded (especially the many reversions to vanilla art assets) from your previous upload, but I just couldn't seriously imagine anyone going to that kind of effort to laugh at a stranger or three on an obscure videogame general. The single instance I cited of a moster girl becoming a slutty monster girl was literally the least of my complaints and I only mentioned it at all for the sake of giving thorough feedback. Assuming the second upload wasn't a deliberate prank at my expense, I wonder if you aren't mistaken about the contents of your two uploads. Whatever the case, I really would sincerely appreciate you reuploading that first archive.

>>39694834
Unfortunately I don't have the first version saved, I deleted it since I thought it had the wrong files.

But as I said, the graphics pack is just pieces of beautify with a monstergirl sprite sheet. The rest is normal E+. So you should be able to recreate every possible aspect of previous versions by simply mixing and matching the files in beautify with E+. The files are labelled clearly enough that it requires no expertise (e.g., character.bmp is character sprites, interface.bmp is interface elements, etc).

> Assuming the second upload wasn't a deliberate prank at my expense
Also you ever heard of Hanlon's razor? Putting aside the fact I just told you how to get all the parts and how to assemble them yourself, for such a 'prank' to work I'd have to assume every person who downloaded it would delete their own downloads immediately afterwards so there were no backups. How often do you think that happens in the history of the internet?

I don't mean this sarcastically, but gotta get yourself checked for paranoid schizoprhenia or something. I knew people who had it and also believed that random events were actually engineered schemes designed with the sole purpose of affecting them -- as an individual -- specifically. As if the cost and effort of engineering random events was somehow worthwhile solely to affect a random schmuck, rather than someone that matters like a celebrity, corporate CEO, or the President.

>>39516666
Alright.
I want to use elona extender but there are 2 versions.
The 2017 version and the new rewrite.
Last I heard 2017 was more stable, but that was still a couple years back.

Is the 2017 elona extender still the recommended one?

>>39695090
>ever heard of Hanlon's razor?
Yes. As stated, I assumed you must've made a mistake in uploading that second zip because the two alternatives, either that you find the vanilla art assets and glaringly mismatched UI elements to be aesthetically superior to the first thing you uploaded or that you were being malicious, to both be ridiculous. I can't tell whether or not you're saying that you shared what you meant to share. But since you're apparently invested enough in being right that you'll insult me and ignore or deliberately misunderstand what I post, I'll drop it and just go back to vanilla.

>>39692923
More MA skill, claws with high hit bonus and enhancement value through scrolls, blacksmith and stardust. I think I read in a changelog somewhere that the analysis and/or memorization skill counters enemy evasion in recent versions.

>>39695642
>But since you're apparently invested enough in being right that you'll insult me and ignore or deliberately misunderstand what I post, I'll drop it and just go back to vanilla.

I mean, yes, I was rude -- but I also did tell you in detail how to change it back yourself. But if it makes you feel better to make your gameplay experience less ideal to spite a faceless, nameless stranger on the internet that slighted you, feel free?

>>39695280
Personally I'd go with the one that updated three months ago rather than five years ago. I haven't tested the latter, but the former works just fine with E+CustomGX

>>39692923
>>39695976

To add to this:

Apply Dim, Blindness, or Paralysis, preferably more than one of them. They lower the likeihood of the affected mob evading attacks.

Apply Sleep, Sleeping mobs cannot evade attacks and the Hypnosis feat (which teaches Touch of Sleep and Group Hypnosis) is one of the best feats for this reason. Note that boss mobs have greater resistance to Sleep.

Apply Bind, which severely reduces the ability for enemies to evade attacks. Strings Assassin and Magnetic Manipulation feats can teach you Dancing Wire and E-Mag Tornado respectively which applies Bind to the target for more than one turn and is therefore always useful.

Wear equipment with "It provides an interlocking shooting mechanism." When it procs your target suffers an evasion penalty for two turns. Pets can wear and proc this too.

Raise your Dexterity. https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Dexterity

>>39696071
>to spite a faceless, nameless stranger on the internet
I don't know how you can think that's the motivation after our conversation. Besides, after installing the pack you uploaded yesterday my graphics are ~70% vanilla anyway.
I'm leaving work now so the last word is all yours if you want it. I won't be able to respond. I hope you have a pleasant evening. Or afternoon. Or whatever time of day it is wherever you are.

Does anyone know if there's a way to recruit enemy bosses in E+? The wiki makes references to being able to make some bosses pets, but I can't find an explanation how (or if such a method is usable in E+).

>>39696782
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Astral_Light_Pen

>Get into the thieves' guild because I need the disarm trap skill so my pets stop dyinjg in dungeons
>Use scroll of incognito, think I'm safe
>Guildmaster Kool-aid Mans through the wall and follows me no matter where I go
Huh, I managed to get to the skill trainer, got the skills I needed, and I teleported around while waiting for my scroll of return to activate, but that was a surprise

I'm trying to give a Nymph the Control Magic skill, will it still transfer even though it's not showing up here?

>>39697420
Your pet will only get the skill that's listed there. You can get Control Magic from the Fallen Soldiers you can buy from the slave trader.

>>39696828
Yeah, I saw that, but it only specifically mentions NPCs. And it says you have to be <Soul Mate> with them. Which I was under the impression was impossible with bosses. (I know they're immune to capture ball, which I think also makes them domination immune?) So not sure how to fulfill the <Soul Mate> requirement, unless I'm misreading it.

>>39697637
Shoot, will do.

Is Elins inn done yet?

>>39696071
I was excited I could swap over...
Then reading the translation of the web page he removed the elona backup function from extender.
Which is like... 70% of the reason I used it.

>>39697367
>I need the disarm trap skill so my pets stop dyinjg in dungeons

>what are wings and anything else that floats you and your pets
>pets will step on traps before you can know about them or get there anyway

>>39698092
If you're using E+ it's not as important, since there's a tweak to disable all the anti-scumming autosaves. You only need to manually backup saves for in the event you accidentally save after making a mistake.

>>39698372
I meant more for corrupted saves

>>39698353
Disarm trap protects your party too

>>39697666
Yeah you gotta toss love potions at them and gifts

>>39697817
nuh uh

>>39699008

You give the wings to your pets, so that they don't trigger the traps, twit.

>>39699403
The wiki says love potions only increase standing with non-hostile NPCs. Is it incorrect here, or do you have to throw them while in disguise, or something?

I'm running with 4 allies at soul mate carrying sleep sheep but no sleep sharing events are happening. Is there some additional requirement now, or has it become more rare or..?

>>39706069
Did you give any of them a pleasant sleep blanket?

Does sharing a meal with a companion halve the potential/stats gains from food and split them between you? Or is the full amount applied to both parties?

>>39706204
Nope.

>>39706249
I asked the same thing last thread and was told full stat gain, half satiety.

Is there any way to edit/remove the normal caps on number of dropped items for locations? Having to juggle item storage by running back and forth between different locations kind of feels tedious, so this is one aspect of gameplay I won't feel bad about cheating.

>>39706511
I'd like this but I would settle for just removing the player/pet inventory limit. Weight limits are fine because weight lifting and strength exist, but weight lifting becomes pointless pretty fast when you run out of inventory slots before even hitting burdened. It really makes farm harvesting a pain in the ass too.
Also I have a severe virtual hoarding problem.

>>39706069
Maybe it's a coincidence but I never got a sleep sharing event while I or my pet was in a tag team.

How does one get the "sales exp" needed to unlock shopkeeper feats? I have a juere swordsman that has been shopkeep and overseen the sale of easily a thousand items, but "sales exp" hasn't budge an inch. Even spending brass coins doesn't seem to change sales exp. I'm stumped.

>>39516666
Any one experience 2.12 (or maybe just custom gx) being unstable?

Literally have had the window just freeze if I tab away requiring a force stop to end it, and after getting elona extender now I have this error that just happened when picking up necromancy coffins.

>HspError 7 WinError 0 Line -1 Ver 6120 Mode 0
>Message (JP): ”z—ñ‚Ì—v‘f‚ª–³Œø‚Å‚·
>Message (EN): Array overflow
>efId 743 efP 210 Area 14/1
>ci 0#333 ti 0#903 cc 77#16 tc 0#0 rc 78#39
>3. com_inventory3/0 ct:0
>2. com_inventory3/0 ct:0
>1. com_inventory3/0 ct:0
>0. turn_end:pc ct:0


>Please check and organize the information as to what kind of thing you were doing when the error occurred, if it is reproducible, screenshot showing the problem, comparison of the results from the vanilla version. In addition, if you can use the bug reporting template on the Elona board development thread, it would help identify the cause and will be saved for reference. There is little chance it will be solved if you provide very little information or just the error code.

>This error occurred during running Elona Extender .

>>39710017
I had an array overflow error pop-up on the same game version. No extender. Might not be related to yours, but it triggered a few turns exclusively after "getting a little tail" events, so made me think it might have been related to NPC vomiting or peeing or something. That's just pure speculation though.

A workaround I used -- that worked every time -- was to leave the map and re-enter. Usually this means teleporting yourself (and hoping you appear near the map edge, else your game would crash and you'd have to try again) since you could rarely walk to the map edge in the 1-4 turns it took for the crash to occur.

>>39710255
Oh hell.
That has to be it. I was in derphy when it kept happening after I loaded the game. But when I somehow escaped town I was fine.

I was going to post this anyway, but the timing is a funny coincidence.
I've been crashing sporadically while spectating team battles in the pet arena. But I had a weird one that nearly broke my game las night. I was holding 5 to pass turns while my crew fought, and the game crashed. It had happened enough times already that I just closed the txt file and restarted. When I loaded my game turns were passing extremely quickly as though I were still holding down 5. Pressing esc would bring up the menu but I couldn't scroll or select any options. I could move the PC but couldn't bring up any action menus with their hotkeys, and couldn't bump-talk to npcs. Trying to leave the map left me stuck on the "really leave?" confirmation dialogue. The one thing I could do other than move was press space to bring up contextual action menus and get to other menus that way, although scrolling acted like it was duplicating keypresses many times. Nevertheless I was able to try some things to try break the perpetual turn passing. Dropping potions in the well didn't work, drinking didn't work, zoning into the fighters' guild didn't work, zapping wands didn't work. Reading a scroll of return left me stuck on the location choice dialogue. Finally solved it by reading a scroll of escape. It put me on the world map. The first few times I tried to move it just turned the sprite, but then it finally moved. I reentered Port Kapul and it was fixed. I was very relieved, this was nearly the second save rendered unplayable by a bug in the last year.

Guys, what's the best practice concerning genetic engineering additional skills onto pets in E+?

Should I aim for pets to have as few skills as possible so they can focus their skill point spending? Or will giving pets all the skills possible (even useless ones like gene engineering, fishing, or literacy) somehow contribute to attribute growth?

>>39717733
Potential increases are now uniform across the board and how much a skill gets doesn't depend on the number of skills the pet has, so there's no downside to giving them all.
By the way, most of the skills have uses now, including the three you listed.

Is there a way to call allies from your home? I'm wondering if I can put a house down in a convenient spot to reshuffle my party far from civilization.

>>39718406
In E+, there's the "Call Familiar" skill which lets you summon non-dead pets anywhere, even in dungeons. Otherwise there's a NPC you can hire in your home that lets you manage pets like you find in town pubs.

>>39717832
If it isn't too much trouble, could you provide a list of what effects each skill has for pets? I checked a few wiki pages on skills looking specifically for info on if they had an effect on pets, but turned up nothing. I don't know if I just overlooked it, or it's not listed on the wiki.