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>>38275719
AHHH I WISH SATORINNN~ WOULD SUSPECT AND INTERVIEW ME
LEARNING ALL MY DIRTY NEET THOUGHTS ABOUT HER LEWD BODY LEADING TO IMPREGNATING HER OUT OF WEDLOCK
AHHHHHHH THE THOUGHT OF SATORINNNNN~ BEING A UNMARRIED LADY DISGRACE

Well lets summarise clues so far:
- The culprit is vengeful spirit
- Strong enough to overpower yukari and others
- Was around for a long time
- Reimu seems to at least suspect who may be responsible

Given all of that Mima has actually strong possibility of appearing for once.
Then again knowing ZUN is may as well be Betsy Azure who will be forgotten after 2 months.

i can feel it in my bones

why mima possessed yuyuko and even yukari, but didn't remilia or flandre?

>>38277570
Don't worry, their turn will come soon.

>>38277570
She doesn't like flat boards.

>>38275959
Not only that but the culprit also has a vendetta against the Hakurei, which Mima also has.

wtf i didnt think about it before this thread but mima is HIGHLY likely of being the vengeful spirit. she ticks all the boxes!

I really hope it is Mima not just because I want her back but froma narrative stand point if the vengeful spirit is revealed to be some random girl we've never heard of before all the build-up and reason for keeping the identity of the spirit would be kinda wasted. If it really is a new character then it would have helped to introduce them earlier so we actually see what they are like and get attached to them.

If it's not Mima I would be surprised. Could you imagine if it turned out that Kasen wasn't an Oni after it was hinted at so blatantly?

>>38278079
but she possessed marisa, and even sak-

>>38287164
In Kasens case it was so obvious, it was literally in the title.
The only thing that has me doubting this theory is that the story is Satori / Hell focused and ZUN would very well just pull a random or new character outta the hat.
If it was Mima I think there would be more obvious hints.

if it's not mima then the mima-believers are going to go shit in ZUN's onsen

>>38289817
>onsen
ZUN didn't open an onsen as far as I know, he isn't Isayama.
Also I really hope ZUN doesn't bait and switch to introduce some new character that people will talk about for two days then forget. The cast is bloated enough as it is already.

>>38291245
>The cast is bloated enough as it is already
The cast has been bloated since Imperishable Night, it's practically a feature of the series now.

>>38291245
>>38292416
The cast is bloated and tiny at the same time. There are tons of characters but only a select dozen make frequent appearances. I think it would be for the best for ZUN to take a step back from introducing new characters and instead put some focus on the neglected characters that still have potential.
Also, I would love for Mima to return here but if she is the culprit then its going to be hard for her to appear outside of this manga, perhaps have the characters place all suspicion on her as the readers are doing , they go to confront her and fight, and after they get tired the real culprit will appear to attack at the same time only to get washed by Mima. I think that this would be the best way to end this manga if Mima is to stick around, it'd be pretty bad if she appears only to get kicked into the nuclear reactor, or if all these allusions to her are just leading us on and she wont appear.

>>38292852
Mima will stick around no matter what as soon as ZUN confirms that she exists in windows era gensokyo.

>>38275719
Mima was already back on the cover of akyu's untoched score.
ZUN hasn't forgotten about her, he's just waiting for the right moment to bring her back.
Although she doesn't appear in the manga, that doesn't mean she won't appear again.

>>38292852
I like the bloated cast, can't wait until there are as many 2hus as there are Porgymangs.

>>38295664
>Porgymangs
what

>>38295022
Not to mention that her theme is in dolls in pseudo paradise.

It's the fortune teller's spirit.

>>38312565
Exceedingly based of ZUN if true, hopefully Reimu gets her rightful comeuppance

>>38312565
>>38312658
Does it even makes sense for him to become the vengeful spirit?

>>38275719
If Mima does come back I'm curious as to how her relationship with Marisa is going to be portrayed. It'd be weird to see Windows Marisa treat Mima with the sort of reverence of that PC98 Marisa did

>>38300758
Pokemon.

>>38317746
>It'd be weird to see Windows Marisa treat Mima with the sort of reverence of that PC98 Marisa did
Would it? LLS and MS Marisa is pretty similar to windows era Marisa. Additionally, while touhou operates on comic book time, it's at most been a decade since MS. I don't know if ZUN would have modern Marisa saying "Mima sama!" but she would still treat her as a respected mentor/teacher.

>>38317310
Common sense doesn't work in Gensokyo.

>>38318648
>I don't know if ZUN would have modern Marisa saying "Mima sama!"
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I feel like he'd have to tone it down a couple of degrees like you say

I feel like Mima would try to get Marisa to help her if the spirit is indeed her, but maybe she did and thats a twist for later one. By the way when's the next chapter?

>2 more weeks

>>38323920
The chapter releases the last monday of the month.

The thing with how Marisa would act may have to do with how Mima ended up dead/sealed/whatever in the first place. We dont know how or even who ended up getting rid of her in the first place.

Probably Reimu, almost definitely. Who knows if Marisa helped though. We dont know what their relationship became like. If Reimu was the one who axed Mima ‘for real’ it’s not like Marisa is eternally loyal anyway, still palling around with Mima’s nemesis.

>>38325553
I doubt it will be that serious, probably Mima went to sleep until things got more interesting.
Not like Mima wasn't playing around with Reimu despite being enemies.

MIMA!

>>38325606
Chances are that if Mima is to be reintroduced it will follow the ending of MS where she is considering becoming a god. So perhaps she really is god of Hakurei and Reimu(s) are so incompetent that lack of faith put her into coma.

>>38325962
Rawr!

>>38326858
Demoted from feared vengeful spirit to this disgusting rawr moonster

so is the next chappy not coming until the 31st?

What does Mima's tail feel like?

>>38344771
Yes, that's correct.

>>38344819
like smoke most likely

>>38325962

>>38312565
>It's the fortune teller's spirit.
I would happily accept if this was actually what was going on.

slight off-topic, but do you guys think koishi will ever appear in this series?

>>38325553
We know that the vengeful spirit in Satori's manga was imprisoned in an Old Hell and that Satori has a personal interest in catching them. If we assume that the vengeful spirit is indeed Mima, it could be possible that Reimu wasn't involved in her disappearance. I don't think it would make much sense for Mima to be in Old Hell if Reimu was the one who sealed her.

>>38353036
If the story doesn't end at/before MoF then yes, unless if the spirit jumps from MoF to UFO because it doesn't want to go into the dragon's nest

>>38353036
The ghost is obviously Koishi manipulating people

>>38312565
He beats death twice and possesses everyone with big boobs.
He's living the dream.

>>38358948
he possessed sakuya

What if its actually ghost of Satsuki Rin who was murdered by Reimu and buried behind the shrine shortly before EoSD?

>>38358870
I had totally forgotten about Koishi after the fighters (how fitting), you're probably right...
But it seems odd for her to target Reimu, unless she herself is possessed by that spirit and that's why she's so hostile

>>38358870
>>38369116
Since when was Koishi able to possess people and make them lose all their magical energy, a trait so far only attributed to vengeful spirits?

When does Detective Satori take place in the Timeline?

>>38369688
Hard to tell, but i would assume betwen 17 and 18.
We won't know for sure since so far mostly 6,7,8 (and 11) characters appeared so far.

They should get Mamizou on the case in this manga. She'd solve it in one chapter. Now that I think of it, where has Aya been? She'd normally be all over something like a bunch of strong youkai passing out.

>>38285154
>Not only that but the culprit also has a vendetta against the Hakurei, which Mima also has.
To be fair, most vengeful spirits in gensokyo would hold a grudge against the Hakurei.

>>38275719
More like Meme-a lol

Oi wizard lady

>>38373966
She's busy.

Is there no update for this month or did I miss it?

>>38399525
I think it will be out tommorow.

>>38399525
It releases on 11am jst. So in about 4.5 hours. But we'll probably have to wait a day or two for translation.

>>38399525
>>38400654
Release is out.
I can't believe she is fucking dead!

Did someone say Mima?

>>38402596
I don't think anybody said Mima this chapter. At least I didn't see her runes.

>>38413814
God i wish. But we need to be patient. One day, she will come back to us.

>>38400654
She's not in the new chapter. But she might be in the next one! Two more months, Mimapedes! Trust ZUN!

Chapter out

https://mangadex.org/chapter/b5a18829-3746-4836-8950-a0ff027f47b4/1

>>38413990
What will be the name of the chapter of her revelation? "Complete Darkness" or "Reincarnation"?

>>38413999
I can't believe Satori is dead!

I don't know why Eirin is disturbed that her adopted daughter's lover has free access to Eientei. It's the equivalent of Kaguya giving Mokou a spare key.

>>38414253
Admittedly we don't know if Mokou sneaks into Eientei much/at all. She has snuck around outside of it before, but that's all we've ever seen

Can't believe that Reimu started selling her body to fuel her drug addiction...

For some reason I find this fish-eyed Marisa extremely funny and cute.

>>38415964
The new art has grown on me. I’m not automatically comparing it to the old style so now I can enjoy it for what it is.

>>38415366
The Hakurei have fallen to new lows

Marisa was said to be carrying the ghost at some point(back with Alice?) but she never passed out did she?

>>38416538
Humans don't pass out. Sakuya also didn't pass out.

>>38414600
I think it's safe to say she knows her way around the place

>>38416609
So why did Kaguya pass out? Other than being immortal, she's not particularly inhuman.

im the vengeful spirit

Best part about the chapter was that it confirmed that Mokou can just sneak into Eientei as she pleases and nobody noticed anything

>>38418392
Nice, make sure to fuck up Reimu for the rest of us.

>>38414253
>>38418436
I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for all of this

>>38418495
The explanation being that Kaguya doesn't see Mokou as an unwanted guest and that's why she let's her in?

>>38418346
I don't really know. But the explanation given by the manga is that yokai lose consciouness because magic is connected to their life force. Maybe lunarians similarily have their life force connected to magic. I mean, Patchy isn't really inhuman as well, and she passed out.

Eirin's eyebags have become erotic.
>>38418346
Just because she has a human shape doesn't make her human.
>>38418588
Either that or maybe Eientei wasn't properly protected since Kaguya passed out?
Though I like to think Mokou just knows her way around because she knows how Kaguyas ability works after fighting her for basically her entire lifetime.

>>38418797
God, the old style was K I N O
The new style is so generic and boring.

>>38418864
Too bad the artist clearly couldn't handle the serialization. The characters were very cute.

>>38419150
The doll-like design paired with gem-like eyes really gave it unique feel.

>>38419337
I liked the way he drew the characters but the backgrounds where very empty and basic. The last chapters he made considerably improved on this and it's sad how he left. The new art is also nice and has plenty of character.

>>38418805
>>38414253
Damn Eirin has a big forehead

>>38418346
Lunarians are pretty much very spiritually-evolved humans for lack of a better term. My question is why they haven't just considered killing Kaguya and ressurect her to full health, it's not like she can die in any way that could matter.

>>38415964
she was so cute in this chapter ;_;

>>38418797
Magicians don't need to eat, sleep, or age because they're sustained by magic so Patchy is probably lucky she didn't die. same for Alice.
>>38418805
>>38420745
Kaguya being immortal would be a bit different from Lunarians, and if Mokou doesn't pass out but was the carrier just because she is human it would be weird. Though given the end of the chapter, it was probably in Satori and not in anyone in the forest.

>>38420745
Mokou will take care of that

OH NO NO NO WE GOT TOO COCKY SATORIN BROS...

>>38420687
big forehead for a big brain

>>38423575

>>38423575
Oh no! Satorin slipped on a dog turd and fell! What a clutz!

>>38423603
thank you for your hard work

>>38423575
>bloody and has a cut
wtf happened

>>38423575
>>38423706
Why did she do it?

>>38423713
Even she doesn't know. Not like she can think about what she's doing.

>>38423706
Aya needed some sensational new news

>>38418805
>Either that or maybe Eientei wasn't properly protected since Kaguya passed out?
If this were the case Marisa probably wouldn't have needed Mokou to guide her, unless she was just referring to Mokou guiding her to the roof of the mansion rather than getting within of the walls.
>Though I like to think Mokou just knows her way around because she knows how Kaguyas ability works after fighting her for basically her entire lifetime.
I also like to think this too and I forgot if the spirit can see host's memories or past experiences but if it can't that would likely mean that if Marisa was being possessed Mokou never got possessed, or was possessed by the spirit once they got in.
I doubt the spirt has possessed Reimu and the only other options it has is for it to go to Eientei the same time as when Reimu arrived and possessed one of the residents of Eientei or possessed Marisa again and is still controlling her, or hopped to Mokou Eirin or Udonge in the last 2 chapters.

>>38423575
They introduced a weakness to human minds so that Satori can't just go everywhere and read everyone, only to knock her out.

>>38413999
They made her too cute

>>38423575
Good.

>>38423575
Aya had enough of Bunbunmaru being called shitty newspaper and she got violent.

You guys have to remember that it is possible for a non-human to still be possessed after recovering from their coma, and obviously that memories could be altered the entire time. Reimu could have been possessed when she met with Yukari and had her memories altered so that she got Kaguya possessed during or even before the intrusion happened.

Of course, it's also possible that MiMarisa used Mokou to get into Eientei, possessed her and used her to get to Kaguya. Depending on how "human" Mokou is considered being, she could either be sleeping in some hidden part of the estate or already left after whatever interactions she had with Kaguya that night. Maybe she even got repossessed.

>>38425200
Personal guess - mokou was carrier and carried it onto Tewi.

And Marisa clearly is accomplice, there is no way all that weird crap happening around her is just coincidence.

Hime a cute!!

>>38425054
I can't believe that shitty tengu would lash out on a weak satorin, when her beef was with hecape.
what a coward!

>>38414253
Was that indecented? Where
?

>>38425535
Cute

>>38425535
I just love her sleeves

>>38418805
>Eirin's eyebags have become erotic.
So I'm not the only one thinking that. haha

>>38423706
She tripped and got muddy in a way that it looks like blood for the cliffhanger, just forget about it.

So how many Victems dose the Vengeful Spirit have under its belt now?

>>38435363
6
Not including those who didn't black out: Patchy, Meiling, Yuyuko, Alice, Yukari and Kaguya. I don't know about Satori. I guess she really just died randomly.

>>38423575
Where the hell is her eye?

>>38436321
shes laying on it

>>38436185
Of for fucks sake, somebody call Kasen and tell her to deal with it.

>>38436321
Crows plucked it out

I wonder if the spirit considers the events of 9 an incident or if they consider it a spinoff despite being a mainline title and will just go for moriya shrine next.

Assuming they keep the pattern which they might not, seems like it was set up specifically to bait Reimu.

incompetent bun

>>38437625
It would be interesting to see interaction with Komachi/Eiki. But the most important one would obviously be Yuuka. Anything that might happen betwen spirit and Yuuka may be dead giveaway if its "her".

Which makes me feel they may skip 9 and carry on to MOF.

>>38437839
Yeah I don't think the Spirit will want to go anywhere near Eiki. Yuuka is the most obvious target

>>38437896
Mima isn't afraid of anyone, but obviously she'd like to visit her old friend and magic super capacitor for old time's sake.

>>38421701
Looks like SZ Aneki.

>>38437625
Aya was in 9 and 10 so as long as its her

>>38438298
Oh god, Cookie is leaking into official touhou works.

>>38438322
makes sense with the black feathers at the end of the chapter.
What I want to know is if Satori was attacked, she passed out from mental exhaustion or she was attacked by her vengeful spirit.

>>38440046
W A S T E D

>>38437803
I wonder if that reaction implies Reisen gets bullied, or she is naturally that stressed over failure

>>38440046
Mental exhaustion sounds like a ghostly lie honestly. Satori fucking loves reading minds. 11/10 power.

>>38440046

>>38440182
Probably both

>>38440182
I think some aspects of the 4 panel Reisen manga are canon, like Eirin "punishing" Reisen everyday for failures

>>38441335
> Reisen is Retarded
I guess that's canon now.

>>38437896
There were a lot of characters in that incident.
It would be funny if she goes for Medicine.

>>38440046
Seeing Satori like this makes me want to hug her and wipe the blood off her cheek...
with my tongue

>>38442531
After all the shady drugs, she lost a whole digit off her IQ

>>38438323
It has been for a while now.

>>38437839
Would Yuuka be most important? From a fandom and maybe narrative perspective sure, but she really had nothing to do with the incident itself far as I remember.

>>38445444
>Medicine
The throwback nobody expects.

>>38447708
Its mostly that since everyone and their mother expects spirit to be Mima they want to see interaction with fellow PC-98 character.

>>38447708
>>38447799
Yuuka could serve to point the investigation in Mima's direction, if a scenario similar to what I describe here >>38292852 is to occur
Also, Komachi and Eiki would both be weird characters for a spirit to attack and get away with it, while Aya is EVERYWHERE. Seriously, we don't need another Aya appearance, poor Yuuka has been sidelined for a long time.
Another possible candidate for TH09 that would be interesting would be Medicine, as we know that she and Eirin interact with each other occasionally

>>38448368
but medicine is a doll she can't pass out.
or well... a soul in a doll.
can a soul in a doll and a vengeful spirit be related?

>>38418805
>>38414253
>>38441335
What a nice big forehead Eirin has. That's the Brain of the Moon for ya.

>>38434523
>>38418805
Please don't make fun of Eirin's eye bags, she hasn't slept in a billion years or so and its taking its toll on her looks.

>>38455575
Eirin's just balding, anon.

>>38448368
>Also, Komachi and Eiki would both be weird characters for a spirit to attack and get away with it,
Power level didn't stopped Mima from possessing Yukari and Yuyuko.

>>38437839
>>38448368
How would Reimu and the others know when flower hobo passes out?
Remember, the Spirit seems to intentionally attract attention. She attacks people from groups so that their compatriots report it. When loner Alice passed out, she told about it Marisa directly, because otherwise nobody would know what had happened. She possessed Yukari to do it, and I don't think she can get away with something like that again.
There's not really anybody that can report the incident to Reimu, unless Yuuka's mansion gets reintroduced, which would honestly be pretty cool.

>>38456217
It's not really about power level, it's about the fact that Komachi and Eiki constantly interact with spirits of all varieties, including the vengeful. If a vengeful spirit can just possess a shinigami or one of the Yama it'll be stupid. Plus youkai are weak to spirit possession, while Yuyuko doesn't seem to have any defense against spiritual and magical attacks.
>>38456861
A fairy could do it, or even medicine (I really want her to make an appearance if you can't tell). And yes, it would be great for Mugenkan to appear

>>38456943
It's not some wishy-washy vengeful spirit it's fucking ENTERNAL CRIMINAL KINGQUEEN OF ESCAPES. Even if it's not Mima it's vengeful spirit from the old hell witch means it's old guard spirit from the times of myths after all new generation of spirits casted into new hell. And older mystical being is more powerful it is. On top of that even though Eiki is yama she not true Yama but second generation created/ascended to level of yamas for basically paper work. So there is some room for possession

>>38457353
People also ignore one small detail. If its indeed Mima, there have been subtle hints that MS ending where she considers becoming God may actually be what happened.

So she wouldnt be generic vengeful spirit, but deitified one putting her on same tier as Junko.

>>38441276
its over satoribros...

>>38457353
>eternal
Wtf I thought punishments in Shintoism and Buddhism were always supposed to remain finite? What finite crime is worthy of infinite imprisonment?

>>38436479
Kasen was too soft and didn't discipline Reimu properly. So now Mima, her first mom, has to come back and set her daughter on the right path.

>>38436185
I can't believe Satori just had a heart attack and keeled over...

>>38478931
How can I fuck mima? Does she have a hole in her ghost half or my dick goes through?

>>38486591
ghost tailjob

>>38486591
> How can I fuck mima?
Why would you?

>>38455731
I was not joking though.

If anything I am of the opinion that Mima sama will be the one doing the fucking in all likelihood...

>>38497468
>sama
Stop worshiping a false idol

>>38498635
How does this term imply worship in a religious context it's just a colloquial quirk acquired from the fictional source material

somehow despite being the smartest person in existence, the literal deification of knowledge, eirin didnt know mokou could sneak into eientei
was her intelligence exaggerated?

>>38503773
Either that or she’s just super fucking oblivious

>>38498635
Mima is literally the God of the Hakurei Shrine though

>>38494510
Because Mima is sexy and arrousing

>>38486591
I don’t know, she literally doesn’t have legs or a lower half at all, it’s just a “tail” made out of intangible spirit-matter

>>38503876
probably this. being intelligent doesn't mean you pay attention to everything around you...

>>38503876
>>38504413
eirin suddenly becoming oblivious out of nowhere doesnt match at all with her image set up by SSiB and LoLK

>>38503932
Mima is cool and charismatic, but I certaintly wouldn't call her sexy.

>>38504537
Something something inconsistencies something something

>>38504028
Well, Mima is a spirit, so she doesn't really have a body at all. Still, her being able to be hit by danmaku and that one attack from SoEW where she lunges at Reimu and damages her on contact might suggest that she's tangible, or at least can switch between tangibility and intangibility. I choose to believe she can be tangible, because the thought of Marisa giving hugs to Mima is just so damn heartwarming.
By the way, I seem to remember reading somewhere that vengeful spirits are supposed to be hot to the touch. If so, I feel like clutching to Mima's warm soft tail in the cold winter night is the comfiest thing ever.

>>38326379
>Reimus
I get it you mean Hakurei clan, following theory that PC98 Hakurei is different from current one?

>>38504537
>>38503773
She never expected that those two would actually make it official

>>38508939
>Eirin seems to disappointed
I guess she just thinks that Mokou is a bad influence.

>>38508949
She's disappointed that Mokou didn't live up to her image and is actually the bottom of the relationship

>>38506620
Isn't Mima an "evil" spirit and not a "vengeful" spirit?

>>38503773
To be fair, the only character I would actually call smart in Touhou would be Yuyuko. Everyone else is either average or blow average. Sure characters like Nitori, Eirin or Yukari know things but they don't come across as actually smart.

>>38275959
It's going to be our guy Fortune Teller not this non canon Ghost Lady

>>38516982
If it does turns out to be him does that mean Fortune Teller > yukari?

>>38517396
The fact the Vengeful Spirit is apparently stronger than Yukari makes the likelihood of it being Mima increase exponentially

>>38517427
Why do you think that?

>>38517561
Because Mima is the Hakurei God and thus one of the few beings capable of countering Yukari’s influence. Duh.

>>38517427
>The fact the Vengeful Spirit is apparently stronger than Yukari
Woah woah woah, where the hell are you guys getting this from? Vengeful spirits are not "stronger" than youkai, all youkai are just innately susceptible to possession from a vengeful spirit.

>>38517703

Tier List of Power:
“Certain Individuals” > Gods > Eastern Dragons > Vengeful Spirits > Divine Spirits > Border Youkai > Vampires > Other Youkai > Magicians > Humans from Gensokyo > Humans from the Outside World

>>38517735
If Yukari could beat vampires in a fair fight, the spellcard rules wouldn't exist

>>38517735
Aren't the Humans from the Village as strong as the average Youkai?

>>38517922
>If Yukari could beat vampires in a fair fight, the spellcard rules wouldn't exist
What? Why?
>>38517966
Not necessarily, the only piece of canon that says that is the Gensokyo Record (from the prologue of PCB), but ZUN has stated in an email that the Gensokyo Record is suspect and unreliable, so it may be false.
Link for the Gensokyo Record:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Story/Prologue
Link for the Emails:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/ZUN/ZUN%27s_E-mails

>>38517427
I love how Yukari was acting all smug and arrogant in front of Orin just to get fucked over by the Vegful Spirit later on.

>>38517992
The rules were created when Remilia rampaged in Gensokyo and was forced to make a deal after fighting with the youkai. If Yukari was able to beat Remilia just like that, she would have just said "whito piggu go home!" and sent her back.

>>38518046
Didn't they come to a stalemate or something?

>>38518057
It just says they (vampires) were made to sign a contract. If Yukari fought them to even a stalemate that still means she can't beat vampires.

>>38518057
Or most likely Yukari just needed someone to blame for enforing spell card rules all over gensokyo and remilia just proved herself to be good scapegoat. The idea that remilia and her few lackeys would stand any chance against sages of gensokyo is so dumb its hilarious.

>>38518046
>If Yukari was able to beat Remilia just like that, she would have just said "whito piggu go home!" and sent her back.
But this wouldn't do anything to prevent (or at least regulate) something like that from happening again. Every time some new troublesome youkai appeared Yukari (and other powerful youkai) would have to show up to deal with it, which given her lazy, manipulative nature is probably the last thing she wants to happen. The Spellcard Rules ensure that future conflicts like these can happen in a safer, less destructive manner, and that Yukari doesn't need to intervene to solve such things. That's Reimu's job after all.
>>38518057
Remilia (and any other unnamed vampires) lost to the youkai and were made to sign the Vampire Contract, there wasn't a stalemate.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Vampire

>>38518073
What exactly makes the Sages of Gensokyo so special or powerfull in your Opinion? I haven't seen anything in my opinion that makes them special in any way.

>>38275719
I must've forgotten the reason but why is Yukari avoiding to meet Satori again?

>>38518133
she doesn't like having her mind read i guess

>>38518133
If you mean why she hasn't shown up again, it's because she's passed out from the ghost and spends most of her time asleep anyway.

>>38518133
In almost all of Yukari's appearances in this manga she's been possessed by the spirit. The only time she wasn't possessed was in the last Ginmokusei chapter. Considering Satori knew for certain that Sakuya and Patchy were possessed, she would immediately know that Yukari has been possessed.

>>38517574
>Mima is the Hakurei God
Where does this theory even come from? A lot of stuff contradicts it unless ZUN retcons a bunch of shit

>>38518112
>in my opinion
Disregard

>>38518226
It comes from the fact that in the PC-98 games, Mima decided to take up residence out back in order to annoy Reimu and justified her presence by claiming she was the Hakurei Shrine’s new god in lieu of the absentee god’s absence.

>>38518226
>>38518268
In essence, it’s just a funny joke.

>>38518248
That's why I asked why you hold the Sages in such a heigh regard. I don't see why they're so special and wanted to know.

>>38518268
Mima also considers actually becoming a god in her MS ending after her encounter with Shinki.

>>38518046
Yukari wouldn't have wanted to get rid of Remilia in the first place. She likes people who shake up the status quo a little, and only needed to her from going too far and causing permanent damage to the balance of Gensokyo.
Everything about Yukari is questionable and she loves ambiguity, so we can safely assume that she'll make herself look weaker or more powerful than she actually is, if it suits her purposes, and she had a vested interest to make Remilia look like a truly formidable opponent in order to facilitate the transition to spell card rules, and the little vampire is the type to happily play along with such a scheme.

>>38518280
Because the Sages are extremely powerful Youkai and Yukari specifically is essentially the closest thing Gensokyo has to a true patron deity despite being a youkai as opposed to a true god.

>>38503773
this has to be setting up some sort of mokou/kaguya scene, right? I mean, Eirin says it herself, Kaguya's ability would make it impossible to travel Eientei without detailed knowledge of how to travel through it
they must be having meetups or something, right? Wouldn't this also be the first time we see Mokou and Kaguya actually have an interaction with each other in canon? it's usually just Mokou thinking about Kaguya or Mokou talking to Reisen or someone
/u/fags are gonna go crazy over this one

>>38518667
To be fair after suffering quite alot of charisma decay i would say that she isn't *That* powerful. Still more than enough to handle remilia and her lackeys.

>>38518817
oh believe me I agree wholeheartedly on both counts

>>38518667
You mean Okina

>>38518817
Remilia can manipulate fate, Flandre could destroy Yukari instantly, Patchouli is probably the strongest magician, either her or Byakuren, and Sakuya can stop time, which is nearly a Reimu-float-out-of-reality level unbeatable power.

>>38518861
>All of this SDMfag cope
Yukari is practically omnipotent and can appear anywhere at anytime and influence events remotely without you seeing her coming. Even if Flandre can obliterate Yukari instantly, she spends most of her time trapped in a fucking painting at her sister’s own orders because Remilia cannot actually control her. Meanwhile, Sakuya and Patchouli are not omnipotent: They would not see Yukari coming until it’s too late. Not to mention, Yukari has lackeys of her own.

>>38518442
>>38518667
>>38518817
>>38518861
>>38518900
Also it’s important to note thatthe assumption is that Remilia fought Yukari personally without involving her lackeys or her imprisoned sister.

>>38518915
I thought in the Yukari scenario for Suimusou where she encounters Remilia opens with Remilia asking who the hell she is and how she got in her mansion.

>>38518975
I mean, if that’s the case then that begs the question as to how she got into the Mansion in spite of the top notch security and potential hazards mentioned by SDMfriend

>>38518861
>Remilia can manipulate fate

Subconciously, and she doesnt really control it she cannot make herself invincible with it. Hence why Yorihime whooped her ass.

>Flandre could destroy Yukari instantly

Just like she destroyed Yuuma who was walking fine 5 minutes later?

>Patchouli is probably the strongest magician

"Koakuma i can't breathe"

>Sakuya can stop time

Stopping time is nice, being able to actually do something in said stopped time is a problem.

>>38518990
>>Remilia can manipulate fate
>Subconciously
Is there even a single canon example of her using her fate manipulation powers?

>>38519033
Nope.

Personally i always thought it was just King Crimson/Jojo reference since if a recall correctly diavolo described his ability as "ability to change fate".

>>38518861
>Patchouli is probably the strongest magician
Wheezed at this. Even if this were true, Patchouli is crippled by health problems. She has the 3 A’s: asthma, anemia, and arthritis. Also, it’s blatantly wrong, seeing as Marisa has defeated Patchouli at least once and is able to routinely steal shit from her without her being able to do anything about it. For further ownage, Alice has been a Youkai Magician for a substantially shorter time than Patchouli, who didn’t start out as a human beforehand, and yet she is implied to have magical powers that would actually rival those of Marisa if she actually applied them properly instead of trying to be all clever and showy due to her contempt for “brute force” tactics. By virtue of this information, Patchouli is at best the third strongest caster or magician in Gensokyo, and that’s without even considering Byakuren.

>>38519066
I've always considered it that Patchouli is the best generalist magician in Gensokyo, with the most knowledge regarding magic in general, but her terribad physical condition makes her a pretty bad fighter. Marisa mostly focuses on..... something (do we even know if Marisa specializes in any type of magic besides blowing shit up?), Alice focuses on doll manipulation, and Byakuren focuses on bodily enhancement. With her gigantic library Patchouli probably has access to more arcane information than all of the others combined. Not the strongest magician but probably the most knowledgeable.

>>38518900
>Yukari is practically omnipotent
Yukarifag you are no better than SDMfags. See >>38372227

>>38519154
Alright, Inconcede.

>>38519154
ok, I am willing to concede the point that she is not omnipotent or close to it; she is still extremely powerful either way.

>>38518900
> Yukari is practically omnipotent
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>can appear anywhere at anytime
Heaven and the Luna Capital would like to differ.

> influence events remotely without you seeing her coming.
Kasen saw her coming and ripped her right out of her Gap

> Remilia can't control Flan and forces her to stay inside
No she doesn't. That just fanon and the Manga we're discussing here proved that, much like your omnipotent Yukari. No one is Gensokyo is remotely close to Omnipotent

>Meanwhile, Sakuya and Patchouli are not omnipotent: They would not see Yukari coming until it’s too late.
Sakuya controls both space and time, she would definitely notice those gaps

Poor Yukarifags, still delusional and in dental about their old hag not being anything special.

>>38519226
>He never addressed Patchouli being blown the fuck out
>He ignores the concessions above
>He thinks Remilia relies on Flandre to fight battles for her when Flandre is literally in the basement 90% of the time
>He also thinks Sakuya has domain over all of space time despite just being a human with a magic watch
Poor SDMfag cannot comprehend the possibility of stronger characters than those that debuted in 6.

>>38519130
Okay but I thought we were dealing in terms of physical strength not how big of a nerd she is

>>38518900
Your "Omnipotent' Yukari got beaten, humiliated and manipulate by the Vengeful Spirit despite her acting all smug at the beginning. Don't overestimate her.

>>38519316
The fact a vengeful spirit beat Yukari just reaffirms the powerscaling hierarchy.

How did we go from discussing if the Vengeful Spirit is or isn’t Mima to autistic shitflinging about the power disparities and comparisons between the magicians and an argument about who’s stronger between Yukari, the Vengeful Spirit, ZUNpires, and the Lunarians?

>>38519283
>magic watch
?
I saw this before in the 1 Minute Melee between Sakuya and Dio, why do people assume her watch is magical? I don't recall ever seeing her use it to stop time. She did it without a watch in SSiB and in SWR?
>>38519295
Anon, why would magicians be judged in physical strength? They're magicians. Wizards, warlocks, witches. For them, intelligence & knowledge = strength.

>>38519372
someone brought up yukari and everything went to shit

>>38519376
>Anon, why would magicians be judged in physical strength?
Should’ve said “Raw strength”, it fits better than “physical strength”. Either way, Marisa and her brute force tactics are still able to own Patchouli, indicating that application is also valuable to the strength of Magicians.

>>38519325
Kasen kills Vengeful Spirits in WaHH as if it was nothing and she's a weaken Oni. There is no power Hierarchy, some species might have a better start then others and have easier/better ways to gain Power but in the end it all comes down to the Individual.

>>38519425
“Certain individuals” were at the top of the comparative hierarchy for a reason, Anon. Reimu, Marisa, and the other player characters are literally able to defeat ACTUAL GODS.

>>38519283
I think that anons post was meant to call you out your BS about Yukari and her omnipotence rather then wanke the SDM.

We've seen that the myth of the all powerful Yukari is simply false in multiple occasions such as the one in the very manga we're discussing here where Yukari got humiliated by the vengeful spirits.

>>38519499
Okay but I already conceded that omnipotent Yukari is fantasy. My point was that the ZUNpires are not stronger than her.

Guys can we just stop arguing about Yukari? This thread is not about her.

>>38519571
Okey, let's instead talk about how Eirin fucking beat Reimu as if it was nothing.

Also can't Reimu and Marisa just nuke their way out of Eientei?

>>38312565
>>38516982
So now instead of Reimu's ghost mom disciplining her, it's her dad she needlessly killed that will have to set her straight.

>>38519675
Eirin is probably stronger and it was a sneak attack so it makes sense. For Reimu she probably doesn't want to bring more suspicion upon her so she doesn't brute force her way out. For Marisa all I can guess is that she got her mini hakkero taken but she should still be able to use strong magic, so not too sure on that besides plot convenience.

>>38521407
Maybe it's some special Lunarian Magic that Seals off tge Powers of those who are imprisoned.

>>38523622
Not totally unfeasible considering most magic powers on Earth originate from the Lunarians

>>38519445
When you base it off that, you end up with fairies at the top of the hierarchy as well. Then again, being an illogical concept like that is exactly what fits Gensokyo, a refuge for the illogical.

Touhou really shows that translating kami as god is a mistake. kami are deities in the way nymphs are deities. fairies are also deities, divine nature spirits. Two of the manga are even named "nature deity" because of this.

It was more about Cirno defeating Okina, but sure

>>38524852
and that was more about "literally able to defeat ACTUAL GODS." being a meaningless statement. Sanae is an "actual god" and an average human could probably pin her down and beat her into a pulp. Defeating some spirits, especially in a danmaku duel, doesn't mean anything and is the point of danmaku duels. Cirno could beat anyone under the rules, and the majority of kami are probably some shitty local spirit that barely exists.

>>38455575
Erotic 4head

>>38447633
marisa is so cute i want to cry

>>38359054
it was necessary to possess patchouli and meiling, cut him some slack

>>38359054
Sakuya has big breasts Anon.

>>38534853
Her breasts are so unnatural Lunarians use them to defend themselves from fairies.

>>38534860
Don't bully Sakuya, Eirin doesn't have time to deal with her other daughter's drama right now. That's why she gave her the expansion medicine in the first place.

>>38519372
Hard to have any sort of civil discussion when the EoSDfags and the Yukarifags are around.

>>38424373
Satori gets nerfed and then beat the fuck up, typical.

>>38536096
>Hard to have any sort of civil discussion when the EoSDfags and the Yukarifags are around.
>EoSDfags
Where did you get that malarkey
They're the most civil people on this board but you shit on them 24/7 for being EoSDfolk.
It's a weird time when the mad are accusing others of being mad.

>>38550961
>SDMfags
>most civil people on this board
Laughing My Ass Off. That would be the Yuyukochads.

>>38534791
patchy fat patchies

>>38275719
yes

>>38534914
She deserves all the bully in the world. And reminder that she will never have even half of meilings size.

>>38525315
> Sanae is an "actual god" and an average human could probably pin her down and beat her into a pulp.
Where the fuck are you basing this on lmao

Mind you humans from 2hu can punch beings with skin harder than steel, they're not exactly just "average human" level. They do it in the fighters, and even in the danmaku they sometimes lunge or kick you as well (Mokou and Kagerou for instance).
Reimu literally halved someone's head with a blunt stick. That's not something regular humans can do. That's not something just "really strong" humans can do either.


And thinking "gods" are to mean like it's something omnipotent is more just a western understanding of it. Yaoyorozu no Kami is a thing, Aki sisters are gods and they're weak as shit. Gods are just a type of species in Touhou much like everything else, they're not all in the same ballpark.
>>38519675
Eirin is probably the strongest character that lives in Gensokyo. She taught the Watatsukis, and she's the oldest Touhou character that we know of, at least a few hundred millions of years old.
Her, Heca, and Keiki are basically the ultragrannies of Gensokyo.

>>38581401
Not anybody you're arguing with, but you can't push fighting game logic as an argument, no fighting game in history has ever made any sense regarding how tough the characters actually are within the context of the story.
The reason Suika can hit Marisa with a black hole and not eviscerate her is the same reason Shiki Tohno doesn't chop people apart when he cuts their lines in Melty: It's a fighting game. Also the same reason Marisa can harm super powerful beings by bumping them with her fat ass.
And the reason Reimu split the fortune teller's head was because he was a youkai and she hit him with her gohei.

>>38581652
It's not just as simple as "fighting game" logic. That's not the point. The point is that these "regular humans" contend with these powerful characters physically.
Or do you really think that in the fighting games' plot, Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, and Sakuya have never been hit?

People seem to forget, but Marisa and Reimu have been doing this when they were like 6 years old, before the spellcard rules even existed.
Just because these people are considered "humans" doesn't make them any less extraordinary. The fact that they can literally dodge thousands of projectiles while flying immense speeds in midair should already clue people in on that, but somehow people still think the humans in Gensokyo have the physical strength of a regular 20 year old human girl lmao

>>38423575
11 my ass

>>38581401
>Reimu literally halved someone's head with a blunt stick.
No she halved a ghost's head with a magic stick.

>>38581898
>The fact that they can literally dodge thousands of projectiles while flying immense speeds in midair should already clue people in on that, but somehow people still think the humans in Gensokyo have the physical strength of a regular 20 year old human girl
You dodge those same projectiles at those same speeds just by moving the fingers on only one of your hands and you probably struggle to lift a jug of milk, nerd.

>>38582248
Great analogy. I can definitely dodge thousands of bullets in real life because I can do it in a video game with a press of a button, squished on a small screen, moving at human speeds, on a top view angle where I can see everything.
Definitely equivalent comparisons at work, here.
I don't get the malevolence or confusion here. Lunarians and Hermits are also just anatomically humans too, by the way.

>>38582477
I don't know if you realize this but Touhou is a video game, not real life and the characters are video game characters controlled by real humans. Danmaku is just a game within their world and not real battles either. It's in the rules it has to be dodgeable. Whatever speed they're moving in the game is the speed they're moving at. You can't just pretend they're moving any faster.

Also "hermits" are not humans, they're "immortals" and have hermit powers. As for Lunarians, you could kill one just by standing too close to them and dousing them in your kegare until they became closer to mortal again. They can't even kill you because it would taint them. They lose to fairies that are the weakest beings in the world besides nearly immaterial ghosts. They can talk shit, but a small group of people suicide bombing them would kill their entire civilization.

>>38582970
I don't know if you realize this but we're looking at these characters as if they exist in real life, because a guy literally just said that if a regular human would be able to take down Sanae.
We're literally talking about their physical capabilities. Just saying "they're videogame characters lul" doesn't mean much.
>Danmaku is just a game within their world and not real battles either. It's in the rules it has to be dodgeable
It's a common misconception that these "games" are not lethal or not "real battles". They are, they're just less lethal because they're holding back. Mokou and Kaguya dies from it. Kasen gets turned to dust in the end of WaHH by one Reimu's fantasy seal.
Rinnosuke mentions that the Mini-hakkero has the power to vaporize a mountain. There's even a small official manga where the 2hus do fireworks display with danmaku and they had to cancel it because it might kill some humans.
It should be obvious when Sakuya literally uses throwing knives as her danmaku that their definition of a "game" defies common sense in every form.
And the argument "it has to be dodgeable" (for them) doesn't really apply much? Like... okay? That doesn't make it any less impressive that they're able to do it.
World records in the Olympics are achievable and that doesn't make it any less impressive.
Or do you honestly think a regular human, if it's able to fly, would be able to dodge a barrage of danmaku?
>Whatever speed they're moving in the game is the speed they're moving at.
Your keyboard movements don't dictate their speed, anon. It's slowed down for videogame logic.
In almost every single Touhou game the protagonist flies forwards/backwards while fighting, even in shit like 8 or 17 where the protagonist literally flies through the air at incredibly hihg speeds as you can gleam from the background, and yet the bullets stay at the same pace of speed as if you're not moving at all.

>Also "hermits" are not humans, they're "immortals" and have hermit powers.
They're literally as regular human as can be, only that they adopted a different form of magic. Reimu and Sanae uses magic derived from gods (Shintoism), Marisa uses magic derived from Youkai, Youmu uses magic derived from phantoms, Hermits use magic derived from Celestials (Taoism). That's... it. The advantage of their lengthy process is that they become ageless, but there's no celestial-like powerup involved where their body basically becomes godlike in nature and their skin turns poisonous for Youkai. They even have to constantly fend off Kishin.

And Lunarian weaknesses and their autism doesn't change the fact that these characters are undoubtedly the strongest in all of Touhou. Also, they can kill the impure, but they can't just linger alongside impurity for long. Yukari's first lunar invasion would've been easy as shit, and Yorihime would've autismo'd when Sakuya touched her if what you're saying makes any sense.