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Gonna post first, how much do you agree with this chart?

>> No.38304988

>>38304922
>Tenshi
>Breedable
Mweh, I kind of get it.

>Sakuya
Serial killer. Would sell your children as slaves to Remilia.

>Princess
Isn't she a canon mom

>Cute
Agree with all of these expect Murasa.

>Cool
Would probably remove some, like Rumia, and move others to cute, like Kogasa.

>Meh
Keine and kasen would be moved to cool. Aunn would go to cute. Otherwise mostly agree.

>Ugly whore
Change it to evil whore and I would agree.

>Wtf
Marisa would 100% end up at cool on my list.

>> No.38305042

>>38304988
>Isn't she a canon mom
Yorihime doesn't have children, it was only implied that she used to be married at some point, like toyohime, she's divorced

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>> No.38305105

>>38305042
Oh, okay.

Honestly, I don't really get the appeal myself. Lunarians are kind of assholes, even if I get the sisters are pretty decent sort. But, hey, to each their own. At least you aren't trying to pretend actual child serial killers would be a good mother.

>> No.38305116

>>38305085
Why the hate for the wolf girl?

Would also never call Mystia boring, but otherwise I mostly agree I guess.

>> No.38305138

>>38305116
Her theme and her long nails are so unappealing to me that I can't play DDC

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https://tiermaker.com/create/touhou-game-tierlist-um-shoss-update-1039654

>> No.38305291

>>38305271
LoLK should be in S too, the soundtrack is awesome

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>>38305138

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Left out recent characters mostly because I haven't played the newest two games yet. Left out pc-98 because I have no opinion about most of them.

>> No.38305563

>>38305532
I love the category "good character, horrible person." Also I can agree with disliking Reimu

>> No.38305588

>>38304922
>>38304988
>>38305532
>>38305563
Based bros, fuck reimu she's an overrated dirty shrine maiden that has no likeable quality at all, she's simple-minded and grumpy.

>> No.38305611

>>38305042
>she's divorced
Sauce

>> No.38305637

>>38305563
Was originally going to call it "Good characters I never want to meet", but 1: It was really long. 2: I would techiancly to put Komachi there.

Reimu is mostly just a very confused character in my mind. I guess she works as a protagonist in the games because they aren't that serious and she can be funny every and now and then. But every time one of the manga's gets more serious her general unlikability always serves to make me not care much.

>> No.38305662

>>38305637
*have to put Komachi

>> No.38305807
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>All that Reimu hate
Ya'll niggas posting in a youkai thread.

>> No.38305828

>>38305807
>Muh Reimu hates youkai
She's part of the reason Youkai can even exist in Gensokyo, with everything that entails.

>> No.38305896

>>38305828
That would imply she lets them all slide and do whatever they want. Or she welcomes them with open arms.
I've seen neither of these things happen except in AoCF where she's the polar opposite of herself for a reason.

>> No.38305923

>>38305896
>That would imply she lets them all slide and do whatever they want.
She lets Yukari abduct people to become Youkai food. She tells Rumia to help herself to any Humans she finds after dark. She's fine with the Human villagers being trapped against their will in a fantasy North Korea.

>> No.38306102

>>38305923
>She's fine with the Human villagers being trapped against their will in a fantasy North Korea.
It's even more than that anon, she's literally pro-youkai (so a hypocrite) in the fact that she help upkeep the status quo of youkai dominance and human oppression, by the way, the hieda articles and gensokyo chronicles are propaganda purposefully spread to make the humans docile and brainwashed, believing in a false "golden age" of peace between humans and youkai, which is the opposite.

To prove my point even further, the fortune-teller who transformed himself into a youkai had perceived the outside world and admitted to himself "that he had seen how the villagers of gensokyo are under the yoke of youkai", so he cast aside his humanity, with reimu killing him thereafter.

>> No.38306190

>>38305807
reimu is a worthless whore that deserves to get raped by villagers and those youkai should reap what they sow by enslaving those poor humans, i really hope the hakurei barrier collapses soon so that the outside world come put youkai in their rightful place, which is in the books of mythology and the past

>> No.38306239

Threads like these should be forbidden.

>> No.38306306

>>38306102
Pretty much. Fortune Teller did nothing wrong. Well, outside of thinking Reimu could be reasoned with.

>>38306190
Mostly agree.
Expect Kogasa, she can be spared.

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>>38306239
After gachafags and vteens invasion this place can't get better anymore.

>> No.38306580

>>38306513
Not that anon but I'm a primary who saw an opportunity to derail. It's just a thread for shitposting anyways.

>> No.38306660

>>38305532
>he got filtered by FS
lol

>> No.38306758

>>38306660
>Filtered
Nah. I liked it. I just felt the ending made Kosuzu impossible to like. Which I don't think was the intention.

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>>38305138
Filtered

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>>38306814
They look better than whatever the fuck Mystia had.

I mean, we are supposed to believe she uses these things to kill people she catches.

>> No.38307033

>>38306190
>>38306102
You're in the wrong thread, new friends.

Please contain your autism to the Grimsokyo one.

>> No.38307104

>>38306830
More like desperately trying to fight back against the group of men who rape her to no avail

>> No.38307129

>>38307104
Normally I would say "Nah, not in canon". But, well, her power is said to be countered by having somebody near you. So...

>> No.38307262

>>38306814
Cross the best 2hu with the worst

>> No.38307285

>>38305637
Personally I've come to hate Reimu because not only is she an asshole, but she's an asshole to youkai because of the whole "I'm the Hakurei shrine maiden and you're a youkai." All the youkai are ten times more interesting than her. Reimu's design is cute but that's about it. You'd think as a heroine she'd be more likeable, but maybe that's intentional.

>> No.38307323

>>38307285
>All the youkai are ten times more interesting than her
Stop learning lore only from the wiki.

>> No.38307354

>>38307323
I learn the lore from the games and come up with my own stories. Personally I think Reimu lacks personality beyond her insults to youkai. It's a lot easier to form personalities around youkai rather than humans.

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Here is mine.

>> No.38307632

>>38307285
Half agree. Then again, Sakuya and Mokou are some of my favorites, and both are still humans. The former even being somewhat normal.

Somewhat.

>> No.38307640

>>38307379
>14 favorites
>No real hated characters
Mweh.

>> No.38307666

>>38307632
>>38307354
I also add the fact I adore Marisa. Who is basically the other main heroine. So, for me at least, it's not a "Humans are boring" thing.

>> No.38307713

>>38307640
Well what can I say, I'm pretty undecisive. As for not having any character, it's to much of a bother to do so.

>> No.38307722

>>38307713
That's fair, I guess.

I personally only really dislike Reimu and Kosuzu. But that has more to do with their role in the story than them as a person. Like, I despise Yukari as a person but love her as a villain.

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>> No.38307776

>>38307729
The relief one and the next week one I don't get

>> No.38307825

Kill yourself Lost Word incel

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>>38304922
>Cool
>Rumia, Tewi, Hina, Yoshika
Huh?

>> No.38308341

>>38307285
>You'd think as a heroine she'd be more likeable, but maybe that's intentional.
Yes but she is relatable. She is us if youre a heir to an unrewarding job. And since she is a girl she won't have sexual feelings towards the youkai girls unlike most people in this thread. And don't tell me you guys won't swindle money out of people like her when most people here pirate the games. She is an asshole, but not in an exaggerated manner and not outright evil

>> No.38308386

>>38307033
Cute how you cutesokyo fags also barged in Grimsokyo threads uninvited and then saying this

>> No.38308416

>>38308341
>Yes but she is relatable
How? I'm not a great person, but I have people I love and care about. And I would think twice about selling out the only human society I know to a bunch of parasitic human flesh eating monsters for personal profit.

Unless you sold out your country to the CIA or are actually the ghost of Vidkun Quisling, how is she relatable?

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>> No.38308464

>>38308437
You can make a entire list of "Wow. I really shouldn't stick my penis in there" when it comes to Touhou character.

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>> No.38308521

>>38305532
Momiji is a character, read your side materials dude

>> No.38308640

>>38308521
Where exactly? I remember her getting some characterization in Synopsium, but that was mostly about it.

>> No.38308829

>>38308416
>And I would think twice about selling out
She solve incidents for those humans to begin with, and again with close to zero rewards. Her faith never increases, and those parties she hold to celebrate incident resolving are attended by youkais and her human friends who also chip in for food and booze since they know she is poor. Yet she never begs the villagers for rewards, and if she is not swindling people she would resort to honest method of organizing events near the shrine for stall fees and extra donations. On the point of giving Rumia permission to eat passersby, she already spread the fear of youkai among humans, and would escort humans from her shrine back to the village at night of events. If they're still stupid enough to wander outside at night, in a youkai infested forest at that, that's just natural selection doing it's work. Also if you hate Reimu for maintaining the status quo, you have to hate the other named humans who are okay with them too. Marisa is even more intimate with youkais than Reimu, when Reimu at least makes it clear she'll exterminate them on sight when she is in the mood. Sanae moves to Gensokyo precisely because her shrine is dying in outside world so I can't imagine her going against the status quo.

>> No.38308953

>>38308829
>She solve incidents for those humans to begin with, and again with close to zero rewards.
No. She solves them to maintain the balance of Gensokyo. Which in turn allows her to continue her privileged lifestyle. A lot of incidents don't even involve the Human village, and the entire thing would be moot if the very thing she protects (The Hakurei Barrier) would break. At best, she's running a protection racket where influence rather than money is the price.

> Also if you hate Reimu for maintaining the status quo, you have to hate the other named humans who are okay with them too.
Depends. A lot of them either 1: Don't benefit from it like the Hakurei Shrine Maiden does. 2: Are way less crucial to the overall balance of Gensokyo than Reimu.

Marisa is close to Youkai, but she neither works for the Youkai sages or likes them all that much. She's shown to care about the Human Villagers wellbeing, even brings it up to Byakuren. Worst thing you can say about her is that she's befriended with Reimu. Sanae meanwhile is helping the Moriya shrine improve the lives of villagers in a major way. For selfish reasons, perhaps. But considering she does make it clear that she thinks the status quo is bad, unlike say Kanako who is basically fine with it and simply trying to gain more followers, she does at least seem partly motivated by a genuine desire for improvement.

Sakuya meanwhile is a straight up psycho who cuts people apart for her mistress. I don't expect her to be a good person, and at least the story seems to understand that she is not.

>> No.38309019

>>38308829
>>38308953
Oh, and I'll also add that her telling Rumia "Help yourself" doesn't really work as a example of her letting nature take it's course considering Yukari, the very person she works for, regularly drops in outsiders to get eaten by Youkai like Rumia. If nothing else it shows a general lack of care about the wellbeing of outsiders. Which is unrelated to her selling out the Human village, but still worth mentioning.

If I found out my boss was smuggling in humans to sell as food. I would probably quit my job. Not tell the people buying human flesh "Help yourself".

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>> No.38310262

>>38308270
DIE
B*TEFAG,
DIE

>> No.38311373

>>38309019
>If nothing else it shows a general lack of care about the wellbeing of outsiders.
If even the Human Villagers she helped for years never thank her deeds, what makes you think she wants to do anything more for the outsiders? Also, most of those spirited away humans are very likely for SDM vampires, either they keep giving them outside humans or Remilia will rampage again and harm the human villagers.

>> No.38311407

>>38311373
Hes a moralfag who has been going around to threads declaring how shitty the youkai are and how Reimu should just actually exterminate the whole of gensokyo to get rid of their menace once and for all. Ignore his dumb ass.

>> No.38311884

>>38311407
>playing moralfag for a series where everyone is an idiot and/or bitch
He sounds right at home.

>> No.38312195

>>38311407
I'm a Grimsokyofag who pick fights with people who think Reimu is humanities saviour or is the bridge for humans and youkais to get along, but I do call out bullshit like this

>> No.38312439

>>38308464
I'd fuck most of them. A relationship is another thing entirely.
>>38308437
I fully agree on the Kogasa one. I would definitely become her friend and look out for her.

>> No.38312514

/qa/ tier

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Limited to characters I know/care enough about

>> No.38314490

>>38311373
>If even the Human Villagers she helped for years never thank her deeds, what makes you think she wants to do anything more for the outsiders?
The fact that it's the right thing to do, mostly. If you want to say "Well, Reimu isn't the type to care about that", then fair enough. But I am, which is why I don't find her remotely relatable.

>either they keep giving them outside humans or Remilia will rampage again and harm the human villagers.
Not much of a excuse. Especially considering Yukari could just raid a blood bank.

>>38311407
>Strawman
Please. Try harder.

>>38311884
>Everybody
Nah. Just most of the cast. A few people are actually likeable. Reimu is not one of them.

>> No.38316024

>>38305271
MoF in A? Nah....

>> No.38317328

>>38314076
Do not be fooled by sympathizers, apologists, or fanworks
Shion is as awful of a person as her sister

>> No.38317829

>>38304922
>Breedable
Tenshi is meh
Moon bitch is ugly whore
>Cute
Yuuka is a hag
>Cool
How do have a "cool" tier and not have Sakuya there? I guess breedable overrides it
Youmu is a dork, she's not cool man
Also how is moon neet and her hag keeper cool?
Half of these aren't cool at all, try again
>meh
Starting to think you have shit taste, Suika is cute and Ran is breedable as fuck
>ugly whore
Reimu isn't that bad, and why is the crow not here
>wtf?
Red Marisa is pretty cool imo

>> No.38321436

>>38314490
>Nah. Just most of the cast. A few people are actually likeable
Define "likeable" because I like the cast due to them being a bunch of idiots/bitchs. Hell, I like Reimu for that reason as well.

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>>38314076
>cunt punt
>Mima

>> No.38322071

>>38314490
>The fact that it's the right thing to do, mostly. If you want to say "Well, Reimu isn't the type to care about that", then fair enough. But I am, which is why I don't find her remotely relatable.

I think you might be autistic and unable to put yourself in another's shoes. Gensokyo is all Reimu knows. She's grown up in a bubble and that bubble is eternally locked in Feudal Japan. She doesn't have easy access to internet like you do to check what standards of living are elsewhere. Likewise, being a young girl living on her own in a shrine outside the human village, she also doesn't know a whole lot else other than her job. It's basically her reason for existing. So yeah, she's just a young girl made into an incident solving machine trying to get by and do what she knows and understands. She's not going to fight for FREEDOM because her worldview and priorities are different than yours and FREEDOM means the only world she's ever known disappearing around her and a lot of those youkai she has tea parties with disappearing along with it.

Honestly the fact that you need a character to be relatable to like or care about them shows how infantile your interests are.

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yeah

>> No.38325431

>>38321436
Being a person I would like if they existed in real life.

Most of the Touhou cast are not that unless you are a absolute sociopath.

>>38322071
>Gensokyo is all Reimu knows.
She literally knows several people from the outside word. Most of Gensokyo does.

>She's not going to fight for FREEDOM because her worldview and priorities are different than yours and FREEDOM means the only world she's ever known disappearing around her and a lot of those youkai she has tea parties with disappearing along with it.
So, she's selling out the entire human village for her own sake. Fair enough, that does still make her a bad person and impossible to sympathize with unless you are the type to sell out people as well.

>Honestly the fact that you need a character to be relatable to like or care about them shows how infantile your interests are.
I do not. There are characters I cannot relate to but I still like. There are even characters I cannot relate to, and do not like, but I do still care about. Reimu is not one of them. I can't relate to her, since I'm not a awful person, I can't like her, since she's not fun as a awful person. and I don't care about what happened to her, since she is neither a fun villain or a good protagonist.

She's fine when the story is light. But literally every time anything even remotely serious happens, she's too much of a confused character for it to work.

>> No.38325968

>>38317328
I guess "suffering but deserves it" might have fit her too, but I personally don't think being destined to fail at everything you do is fair for even her

>> No.38326793

>>38304922
Now I want to throw money at ZUN for the Steam releases.

>> No.38327124

wwyd in Reimu's situation?

>> No.38327406

>>38325431
>She literally knows several people from the outside word. Most of Gensokyo does.
And none of them cares enough to liberate Gensokyo human or asked to be returned to not be an accomplice to Reimu and Yukari
>>38317829
>Reimu isn't that bad
These fags think Reimu is privileged when she is a heir of unrewarding job, think she is responsible for outsider's safety when even Gensokyo villagers barely interact with her. Every time she holds party to celebrate the incidents she solved the ones who came and chip in for food are her close friends and some youkais, not villagers

>> No.38333523

>>38314076
what the fuck is Yumemi doing in the punt category?

>> No.38333672

>>38325431
Then you should be REEEEING at Sanae or Sumireko for not doing more, except both of them are living their best lives in Gensokyo and don't care. Very few people care and that's the thing. It's hard for Reimu, who already lives isolated enough in her shrine a ways away from the village to begin with, to suddenly care about a thing that no else is caring about, especially when she's been trained since childhood to not think about that kind of thing. That doesn't make her an awful person, unless you want to call child soldiers awful people, it makes her a person with her own upbringing and circumstances radically different than your own. This will most likely be a shock to you but people living in different parts of the world have different standards. The only person we've seen give a shit about what you want people to give a shit about is the fortuneteller and he was a very special case. Unfortunately the way he went about it broke the very first law in the book and so he got murder mode cop Reimu on his ass. For fuck's sake she doesn't even enjoy her job and just wants to chill all day making easy money farming crypto.

>> No.38333733

>>38304922
>breedable
>not China
>not Koishi
>not Eirin
Shit list.

>> No.38334074

>>38325431
>Being a person I would like if they existed in real life.
Genuine question; how do you feel about villains? Do you think a villain can't be likable or enjoyable just because they're evil?

>Most of the Touhou cast are not that unless you are a absolute sociopath.
I don't condone Remilia's behavior during the events of EoSD. What she did was a very dumb extreme on her part, but that's also why I like her as a character. I find it funny that this vampiric asshole has been around for generations, yet in order to go take a walk outside, she resorts to a mist that spreads across the land. That level of idiocy makes her, as well as many other characters, likable and entertaining to me.

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>>38304922
It was such a pain in the ass to figure out who is who with samey (pseudo-)Alphes art.

>> No.38336576

Hatate in cool tier makes you very cool

>> No.38336711

>>38333672
>For fuck's sake she doesn't even enjoy her job
I'm not with him, but youkai extermination is the only thing she enjoys about her job, so much that she dropped her fortune telling schtick when Kasen lectured her about it

>> No.38338805

>>38327124
Break the barrier.

>> No.38338817

>>38327406
>And none of them cares enough to liberate Gensokyo human or asked to be returned to not be an accomplice to Reimu and Yukari
The human villagers would. Can't do much about it, but even then some of them still try with great risk to their personal safety.

>These fags think Reimu is privileged when she is a heir of unrewarding job,
>Unrewarding
To quote Akyuu: "Due to her easygoing appearance, it's impossible to tell whether she realizes this or not, but the Hakurei shrine maidens really do have all of Gensokyo under their thumbs."

>> No.38338841

>>38333672
>Then you should be REEEEING at Sanae or Sumireko for not doing more
Sanae is actually doing a lot. For selfish reasons, arguably, but still a lot. Sumireko meanwhile is a dumb chuuni. I don't expect her to not be a selfish twat.

>Very few people care and that's the thing.
Because most of the cast are literal evil monsters. The few decent people are all shown as caring at least somewhat. As is the entire human village, mostly because it involved them.

>it makes her a person with her own upbringing and circumstances radically different than your own.
Those upbringing and circumstances still make her a bad person doing bad things. Reimu is not a child soldier anyhow. She's closer to the heir of a rich family that doesn't realize the harm her family is causing. I have no sympathy for her, nor should you.

>most likely be a shock to you but people living in different parts of the world have different standards.
Have you considered that doesn't excuse anything? Being complicit in mass murder is still being complicit in mass murder. Even the Hague agrees that "Just following orders" only gets you so far.

>For fuck's sake she doesn't even enjoy her job and just wants to chill all day making easy money farming crypto.
The only reason she isn't working her ass off on a farm is because of her job. She's a spoiled rich girl, nothing more.

>> No.38338868

>>38334074
> Do you think a villain can't be likable or enjoyable just because they're evil?
Enjoyable, to be sure. Likeable though... Well, they can be likeable and evil. Rarely have I seen a case of somebody who is likeable because they are evil though.

>I find it funny that this vampiric asshole has been around for generations, yet in order to go take a walk outside, she resorts to a mist that spreads across the land.
Yeah, but if her life was in danger I wouldn't care much. She's fun as a villain, or as comedic relief. But any serious drama wouldn't really work since I would have little reason to care what happens to the murderer that orders her maid to cut apart humans.

That's never a issue though since the story actually seems to understand what kind of a character Remilia is.

>> No.38338972

>>38338817
Yeah sure, the same Akyuu who thinks Eirin is a human, TH8's incident is the eternal night and put Yuuka at worst friendship level with humans when Yuuka goes to the village to shop on a regular basis.

>> No.38339051

>>38338972
Not everything she says is wrong. There is nothing to imply she is wrong about the Hakurei Shrine Maidens. At worst, she doesn't seem to be aware of how close they are to the Youkai sages.

>> No.38339150

>>38338841
>spoiled rich girl
She looked at bamboo shoots dishes as luxury, and every time she holds a party her human and youkai friends chip in for food out of sympathy, sometimes she even has to beg them.

>> No.38339182

>>38339150
She can basically just scam people with zero consequences and is never shown actually lacking for money in canon. The fact that she's inept at scamming people doesn't change the fact her life is insanely easy compared to your average villager, all of which she relegated to a life as slaves.

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Too lazy to make a tier list so I'll post a sort instead.

>> No.38348006

>>38333672
>Unfortunately the way he went about it broke the very first law in the book and so he got murder mode cop Reimu on his ass.
the very notion of humans becoming youkai is against the rules as it messes with the overall balance.

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>>38344821
Good idea

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>>38338841
And yet its fine to genocide a race of sentient beings as long as you have decided using your subjective moral values that they are blanketly evil. Fuck off faggot. I dont care if you think me and mine are evil monsters, Ill kill you before you lay a finger on them.

>> No.38350923

>>38338841
I like how you argue that Reimu is some spoiled heir to a rich family when most youkai don't even care about her as an individual, humans in the village don't care about her, she literally has ZERO governing power, she has no followers, her shrine has no visitors, she's poor, and the sages don't tell shit to her.
Hell, she literally only knows Yukari out of all the sages until recently. Outside of being an important figure in Gensokyo, she has no connections to the sages besides her title. It's like blaming a newly appointed manager because the company's CEO did bad things.

I also like she was thought dead for a short period of time in SSiB and Aya just says "welp time to get a new one". That's privilege right there.
She's basically an abducted orphan who's been trained from day one to follow rules or everything breaks down.

>> No.38351280

>>38350923
>Hell, she literally only knows Yukari out of all the sages until recently
Yukari literally doesnt give a shit about her until PCB too, plus the protagonists are the ones who looked for her, not her looking for the protagonists

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>> No.38352564

>>38349374
>And yet its fine to genocide a race of sentient beings
If we judge Youkai as you would any person. 90% of them are sociopathic serial killers. Call that "subjective moral values" if you want, but they are fucking evil to the core. You can literally use this same argument for any criminal.

>>38350923
>I like how you argue that Reimu is some spoiled heir to a rich family when most youkai don't even care about her as an individual
1: They do. 2: Doesn't change the fact that she could, and arguably has, fleece them for all they are worth without consequences.

>she literally has ZERO governing power,
There is nobody in Gensokyo that could realistically stop her if she wanted something. If she went into the human village and just demanded they give her stuff, what the fuck are they going to do about it? Attack her? She could blow every single one of them away, and they know that perfectly well.

>Outside of being an important figure in Gensokyo, she has no connections to the sages besides her title.
That's a bit like saying Vidkun Quisling owns non of his statue to the Nazi occupation other than his position.

>She's basically an abducted orphan who's been trained from day one to follow rules or everything breaks down.
Even if I accept that, she is still a bad person. Just a tragic one.

>> No.38352597

>>38352564
>There is nobody in Gensokyo that could realistically stop her if she wanted something
Well, I guess the Youkai sages could. But none of them seem to care much when she tries to scam people, so there is zero reasons to believe they would mind if she occasionally looted the human village as long as she didn't take charge.

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>>38352564
>if

>> No.38352716

>>38352704
I say "if" mostly because I think you probably shouldn't hold them to the same standards as humans. If you do there is literally zero excuse to not kill most of them since by human standards they make jeffrey dahmer seem well adjusted.

>> No.38352730

>>38351534
What's wrong with Momoyo smell??

>> No.38352765

>>38352564
>There is nobody in Gensokyo that could realistically stop her if she wanted something. If she went into the human village and just demanded they give her stuff, what the fuck are they going to do about it? Attack her? She could blow every single one of them away, and they know that perfectly well.

I like how you keep trying to make a point of these horrible things Reimu could do and yet hasn't done. You're trying to pin crimes on her she hasn't even committed.

>> No.38352900

>>38352765
People like this makes us Grimsokyofags look shit

>> No.38352970

>>38352765
I'm not trying to pin crimes on her she hasn't even committed. I'm just pointing out the level of influence and power she has over Gensokyo.

>B-But she doesn't use them!
She's still shown constantly trying to scam people instead of doing honest work. Which she can get away with because she's the most important human in Gensokyo. For all of the "Lol, poverty" memes she's never actually shown wanting for much of anything, least of all food.

>> No.38353124

This imagined scenario of Reimu being some kind of unstoppable robber just going around stealing from everyone because she's the strongest sure is fucking something. What even the actual fuck? And Marisa is right there by her side but Reimu is the one being accused of having too much power or some shit because she could theoretically get away with theft. What is even happening here?

>> No.38353359

>>38352970
>She's still shown constantly trying to scam people instead of doing honest work
She literally does her honest work of youkai extermination requests and incident resolving for free. Villagers can't even do the bare minimum to at least visit the shrine.
> but muh scammer
- Kanako, tengus and Suwako staged that Tengu attack in WaaH as an excuse to delay the mountain railway opening so that kappas can open their stalls, Tengus can gain human fear, and Moriyas can get their reputation as the human saviours. Not even Reimu has gone this low to stage a youkai attack
- The Buddhists tried to cut cost of making a giant Buddha statue to attract visitors, so Ichirin proposed that Unzan morphed into one, causing the visitors to unintentionally worship a youkai
- Those constellation stuff kappa does in their attraction was admitted as false to impress visitors
- Marisa is a literal thief that actually socialises with youkai. Reimu at least shows hate when dealing with them.

>> No.38353411

>>38353124
>This imagined scenario of Reimu being some kind of unstoppable robber just going around stealing from everyone because she's the strongest sure is fucking something.
Did you miss the point about Reimu being privileged because of her job? You can't argue "Feel sorry for Reimu, she's poor and hates her job" when her job basically allows her to do whatever the fuck she pleases and she's never shown wanting for anything.

Is shown she spending her days working on a farm like the villagers she's doomed to a primitive life in Gensokyo? No. Is she shown working hard on learning magic like Marisa? No. She's a spoiled rich girl that got everything handed to her because she sold out the human villagers. She has Gensokyo under her thumb.

>> No.38353471

>>38353359
>She literally does her honest work of youkai extermination requests and incident resolving for free.
You mean the work she only needs to do because she helps to maintain the Hakurei Shrine Barrier? That's not honest work, that's a protection racket.

>Kanako, tengus, Suwako, the Buddhists, Kappa.
I don't view any of those as "good people".

Marisa meanwhile mostly steals from the very same youkai she socializes with. She's double faced, but most of her victims have it coming. She's never shown stealing from the human village for instance. She also doesn't actually work for any Youkai, unlike Reimu who basically directly works for a child serial killer.

>> No.38353531

>>38353471
>its okay if I steal from my friends even if they dont like it

>> No.38353989

>>38353531
>It's okay to steal from literal inhuman monsters without a shred of decency.
Yes.

>> No.38354946

>>38352564
They don't. Reimu is just another shrine maiden in the long list of what they've seen in the hundreds of years they've lived. She's replaceable, that's literally what Aya hints at in SSiB.
>There is nobody in Gensokyo that could realistically stop her if she wanted something.
The youkai would stop her LMAO, you don't really know how Gensokyo works do you? Reimu's not some infallible king that humans and youkai worship, she's just a cog in the wheel. If you need to learn anything about FS, HSiFS, and Okina it's that no one can use influence over the human village, there will be no leader. Whether it's Kanako, Reimu, Yukari, the tengus, no one.
and like the other anon said, this is some slander. She hasn't done anything of the sort.
>nazi
Her job is literally just to be a peacemaker and she's given zero information beside the rules. She doesn't know shit about anything, she's more of a store manager of a large corporation. She didn't even fucking know that as a shrine maiden, she's supposed to be praying to gods. You really think that she's conniving enough to be as evil as you think she is?
I swear you haven't read any material. I also like that you compared her to a Nazi just to poison the well.

>> No.38360916

>>38354946
>Reimu is just another shrine maiden in the long list of what they've seen in the hundreds of years they've lived.
She has all of Gensokyo under her thumb. Just like the previous Hakurei Shrine Maidens, she is replaceable but no reason to assume easily so.

>They don't.
Remilia cares about her.
Aunn cares about her.
Sukuna cares about her.
Suika cares about her.

For all of them you could argue "How much?", but she does still have friends.

>The youkai would stop her
No, they wouldn't. The only ones that could would be the Youkai sages, and why the fuck would they give a shit if any of the Hakurei Shrine Maidens threat the villagers poorly? As long as they do their job and doesn't try to take over the village, they are fine with it.

>Her job is literally just to be a peacemaker
Also maintaining the prison (Hakurei barrier) and killing humans that try to fight against the system. The Hakurei Shhrine Maidens are no different from a Nazi collaborator.

>You really think that she's conniving enough to be as evil as you think she is?
No. Which is the one excuse I will grant her. She's too dumb to think about how much of a spoiled rich girl she is and how she is basically selling out the human villagers.

> I also like that you compared her to a Nazi just to poison the well.
I compare her to a Nazi because the regime she's enforcing is Nazi like. Literally a giant concentration camp in the form of the human village and the regular mass slaughter of outsiders. All of which Reimu supports.

>> No.38361294

>>38360916
>No. Which is the one excuse I will grant her. She's too dumb to think about how much of a spoiled rich girl she is and how she is basically selling out the human villagers.
Young girl being taken advantage of and used by an uncaring system that was setup to entrap her long before she was even born and unaware of the damage she's doing to a formless mass of faceless background characters is a fucking terrible person and I hate her I hate her I hate her.

My dude, you're an awful person.

>> No.38361328

>>38361294
Reimu is a complete moron, fair enough. That excuse only goes so far though, and a lot of your arguments are pure headcanon.

>Young girl being taken advantage of
By being given superpowers and a license to do whatever the fuck she pleases? The horror.

>that was setup to entrap her long before she was even born
Based on what?

>and unaware of the damage she's doing to a formless mass of faceless background
You mean like the outsiders she canonically meets? The people that are abducted by Yukari? The ones who most often end up as Youkai food?

Ignorance as a excuse only goes so far.

>My dude, you're an awful person.
Way better than Reimu.

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What the fuck is this thread

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>>38362048
I told them to ignore the moralfag. They (you)'d him instead.

>> No.38362698

>>38362453
I just want a good reason to sesh this thread.

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