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Reimu lookin pretty sus ngl

>>37897827
Is Mima in this one?

>>37897887
This author really needs to work on their perspective and anatomy.

Satori isn't cute at all

>>37898118
No.

>>37898118
No, but it was Marisa and Mokou in the cloaks. Marisa was captured and Mokou is ???

Ancient Satori skulls.

>>37897887
Why is that door so fucking massive?

>>37906225
Maybe the door is regular size but Orin is just small

>>37906225
Satorin-sama has many pets. Some of these pets are very large.

https://mangadex.org/chapter/f4768016-107f-490a-8aab-96a602931f85/1

It's up.

So Reisen is pretty much the shitty McDonald's manager who abuses whoever happens to be under them with the little authority they have

cute necrophiliac

Seeing Reimu CQC'd by Eirin was glorious.

Maybe the anons who complained about the new art were right after all...

>>37908932
She's been a straight-up dick in this manga so far. Poor Marisa.

>>37909280
She's been a straight-up dick since her first appearance, she only "acts" nice to people stronger than herself because she's a coward.
See: Reisen's AoCF route.

So Marisa got caught but Mokou didn't? Wonder what happened to her.

>>37909280
To be fair, Marisa is a nuisance.

>>37908932
I think she's nostalgic for being in the punishment room, or just punishment in general. Eirin must've really screwed up her wires with her shady drugs.

Reisen is a degenerate who enjoys extreme play. She probably got a high when she lost her ears too.
>>37908996
>>37910056
Reimu and Marisa getting treated as they have long deserved to have been is refreshing. Mima is making sure her two daughters learn a proper lesson for being bad girls while she was gone.

>>37910179
>Reimu and Marisa getting treated as they have long deserved to have been is refreshing. Mima is making sure her two daughters learn a proper lesson for being bad girls while she was gone.

Truer words have never been spoken. Betwen this and ending of WaHH, busting the myth of reimus "Lolhaxorpowers" is simply wonderful.

The fact that you can see broken boards means that Eirin wasn't really holding back either.

>>37898995
Her doujins have some pretty good perspectives from what I remember, guess they're being fucked by serialization just like previous artist, only not so badly.

>>37897827
man i miss the old artstyle, this one feels way too moe

Artist's been taking a dive in quality compared to first chapter but still delivers interesting shots and perspectives. Even with her flaws like giant rooms and off-centered faces I'm so glad she took over the manga.

>beautifully flowing hair
>gemlike eyes
>storybook feel
>improving backgrounds and paneling and movement
I hope the former artist is okay. I really loved the work they did with this manga before they had to leave, so I hope when they're better they try their hand at their own manga or even another ZUN work.

>>37908896

>>37912121
it's not nice to ask questions she already knows the answer to

>>37911943
I liked the vintage shoujo vibe of the previous artist, the new one is too generic, bland and not even drawn well.

>>37911943
I always disliked the previous artist but one thing I liked about her is that she improved notoriously compared to the early chapters (even though she had been drawing for a decade and her skills somehow ended up worse than they were 10 years ago).
It reminds me of Moe and Aya where Aya notoriously improved and Moe was already talented so the only difference was that later chapters had less effort. Though it's only 3 chapters in and new artist still has plenty of chances to improve.

reisen is a stupid piece of shit. dumb useless bunny, good for nothing.

>>37913772
Only good for her sex appeale

>>37906184
What's up with the Horns? I don't see Satori and Koishi having them.

>>37908932
Reisen is a masochist? Honestly it doesn't surprise me .

>>37908932
Reisen the retarded low IQ Bune was the real masochist all along, you all owe Tenshi an apology.

>>37908996
> Gets destroyed by Yorihime
> Gets her ass spanked by Kasen
> Gets beaten by Eirin in CQC
Oh how low the Crimson Slasher has fallen.

>>37915961
I never doubed you Tenshi-Sama.

>>37915941
It's just some monster skull, don't take my comment too seriously.

Where's the whale manga?

>>37915971
The only thing missing now is Misumaru bashing Reimu with her own Yin Yang orb to remind her of good days of HRtP

>>37911943
It was too early for her...
Too bad we couldn't have the best of both worlds.

>>37908932
Dumb Masochist Rabbit.

>>37897827
>Youkai are weak against spiritual attacks.
>Having our human minds read is an spiritual attack against the reader.
If anything, the exile is what allowed the satori to survive.
>>37919491
>>37915961
>>37908932
Seems more like a sadomaso rabbit.
Whatever the position, she wins.

>>37909325
She really needs to grow a pair.

Man Eintei (Eirin) took care of both Marisa and Reimu pretty fast.

>>37919574
All this time we thought Reisen was a stressed out, overworked and abused bunny. But it turns out she was exactly where she wanted to be

>>37919719
>Gensokyou Police got shat on within a night.

>>37919854
Just like we saw in Inaba of the Moon and Earth. There's a reason Reisen loves to work under Eirin.

>>37909280
>>37908932
It's not just her. Wasn't Youmu acting the same way? I think being mean to Marisa is just a running gag.

>>37919941
If you're in charge of guarding your masters home you absolutely would be a jerk towards Marisa for obvious reasons

>>37908996
Am I to believe this is the guardian of Gensokyo? She seems to be at constant mercy as of late even though she's supposed to be big bitch that lays the rules

>>37920138
I wouldn't be surprised if the Ouside World could beat Gensokyo in a War. Honestly a lot of characters being unbeatable/untouchable/Super Strong has been disproved the more of them we seen of them.

Remember when Yukarifags thought she was an unbeatable, omnipotent Multiversebuster?

>>37920138
To be fair, Reimus insane superpowers were always pretty much blown out of proportion by fanon. She was never meant to be powerhouse outside of friendly non-lethal make believe battles.

Sure she can seal your average feral youkai, but she cannont really brute force any big players.

>>37920181
We have barely ever seen any character take themselves too seriously, would expect them to have a way more serious and destructive reaction instead of just messing around like usual. Just the tengu, oni, vampires or kappa would be good enough to cause stupid amounts of damage, unless you think they've been overplayed as well.
>Remember when Yukarifags thought she was an unbeatable, omnipotent Multiversebuster?
Yukari being less powerful than she makes it to be and working things around it has been a thing since forever though, don't think I have seen yukarifags powerlevel in years, now Okina and Hecatia rule the DBZ powerlevel discussions.

>>37912515
Same here, I really wanted to see how her art would progress. Not really feeling the new artist even if it's a bit too early to judge.
Also is that gyate based off this Ichirin?

>>37908932
>all these posts commenting about Reisen being a masochist
I'm getting baited, right? No one can be this stupid.

>>37920181
I'm not sure, we haven't see anyone being 100% serious, everyone prefers to avoid unnecesary bloodshed, inside Gensokyo at least.
I mean yeah Yukari isn't unbeatable, but still opening a big portal to redirect suff from point A to B is pretty fucking busted already.

>>37920238
It's the complete opposite. One of the main reasons why the spellcard rules exist is to make it easier for youkai to cause incidents, and not just get immediately shafted by Reimu.
Meanwhiile, even ZUN himself has said that Reimu constantly loses at Danmaku, and constantly asks for rematches.

Where are Utsuho and Koishi?

>>37921166
Yeah, she sure showed Kasen whos boss.

>>37921280
Wait for the chireiden case

>>37921346
Don't blame anon for ZUN's inconsistency, he also stated that the moonies were too strong for a game hence why he put them in a manga, yet he did put Heca who he stated was way stronger than them.

>>37921379
Yeah, but Hecatia is very chill for the goddess of Hell. Even if she does fuck with nature.

Like turning fairies into motherfucking lampades.

>>37921379
He put her in a game where you have to cheat to win

>>37921379
More like don't blame ZUN for your retarded DBZ powerlevel logic

>>37922359
He could've done a similar thing for the Hime Sisters.

>>37922891
No one wants that though

>>37919574
>the exile is what allowed the satori to survive.
classically satori hang out in the mountains and rarely meet humans in the first place

>>37919854
>>37919919
>>37919854
Nothing in the chapter indicates masochism at all, and Inaba isn't canon

>>37921379
I feel like when he said that, he was saying that the watatsuki's are more dangerous because they don't obey the spellcard rules while hecatia does

>>37921379
Junko is the one that barely obeys the rule in the sense that her spellcards are so pure to the point they're straightforward as opposed to danmaku's beautiful nature.

>>37921379
>yet he did put Heca who he stated was way stronger than them
... 8 years later, anon. You can't change your mind in "nearly a decade"?

>>37923187
Do they hang out with yamabiko and read their minds? Do they call out the yamabiko's thoughts and the yamabiko shout them back?

>>37923775
It is unknown.

>>37923198
>and Inaba isn't canon
Yes it is.

the karma for laugh at yukari and the other victims

>>37916178
Here's your dose of whale tiddy >>37920631

>>37923349
He contradicted himself

>>37925519
tits too small

>>37924955
Not written by ZUN means it's not canon. Contradicting several established facts also helps that.

It's just a comedy manga. Take that for what it is.

>>37928789
Inaba has never been stated to be non-canon. Other works which are so and published in a similar manner have stated this fact explicitly. Just because it doesn't meet your arbitrary standards doesn't mean it isn't canon.

>>37920873
/jp/ is autistic, what else did you expect

>>37908932
Did you guys even read the chapter? She's having fun treating Marisa like shit, why are you calling her a masochist?

>>37929857
>She's having fun treating Marisa like shit, why are you calling her a masochist?
Ok, so then Reisen the retarded low IQ Bune was the real ball-kicking USC all along, you all owe Yuuka an apology.

>>37930153
With those powerful rabbit legs?! Ouch!

>>37929857
Do you think Reisen was the one giving punishments in the lunar capital? She's just on the other side this time.

>>37908932
This goes pretty well with her already pre-established character.

What being a slave your entire life does to a Princesses, having the slightest power over something must really give Reisen a dopamine shot.

>>37923198
>>37924955
>>37928789
>>37929824
>Despite being considered an official Touhou work, the canonicity of this manga is highly debatable due to its over-the-top comedic gag nature, events happening in the series that are contradictory to established facts (such as Eirin getting sick despite being a Hourai Immortal), ZUN reportedly being only loosely involved in its creation, and ZUN not being credited as the writer.
So is it canon or not bros?

>>37931021
It's canon.

>>37931021
It's not canon.

>>37931021
It's Kanon

>>37931841
Its Shannon

>>37931021
People who accept it as canon do so because it is an official work and has not been stated to be non-canon like similar ones.

People who don't accept it as canon have to make convoluted rules in their head never used elsewhere to justify calling it noncanon.

>>37920590
>>37920181
bros dont be foolish. what could the outside world possibly do against the youkai or gods or celestials or hermits or ghosts or whatever else? they're too strong

>>37933847
Wouldn't it be funny if all you had to do to kill a god/youkai/whatever was scientifically explaining them why they couldn't realistically exist? Like that one MAD episode where the Mythbusters make Zeus disappear be explaining him why his existence doesn't make any sense.

>>37933847
How come they were pushed to create Gensokyou to survive if they are so powerful? Checkmate.

>>37933894
and now who gets to kidnap humans as they please from the outside world and control governments and global events with their supernatural powers while remaining unknown and unseen like some shadow council illuminati type shit? the youkai have obviously won and the outside world is at their mercy

>>37931021
I'd treat it like the PC-98 games, canon until something else contradicts it
>>37933884
Sumireko becomes a yokai hunter by going "ACHTUALLY"

>>37920873
>>37923198
>>37929857
The reason why people are calling her a masochist is because of her past, as a slave to the Lunarians.

They're interpreting Reisen's thinking of the Lunar Capital's punishment room with a "refreshing feeling" as being an indication of liking punishment in general, as some kind of abuse-related trauma,

>>37921346
That was a danmaku battle too. The fighting games are also danmaku battle as well, if you were wondering.

>>37933980
>kidnap humans as they please
Yukari specifically kidnaps Humans that won't be missed. One doesn't need to think alot to figure out why that is.

The rest of your statements have no canon source whatsoever. Nothing that happens in Gensokyou effects the Outside World.

What we know is that the Youkai were forced to go live in an Isolated Pocket Dimension no bigger then a province while the Humans control the Outside World unopposed and are living in a Golden Age. The Youkai lost and are fighting for their species survival while Humanity is reaching out for the Stars.

>>37934411
>Yukari specifically kidnaps Humans that won't be missed.
I've heard a lot of people say this but where is this said specifically? I've checked PMiSS and Yukari's omake profiles and none of them state she only gaps in "Humans that won't be missed".

>>37933884
Well that's what happened with the yamabiko, though the yokai destroying a single city would give them so much fear sources globally so I wonder why they don't do so. Maybe there's higher forces keeping them on check?

>>37931021
it don't really matter if is canon o not.
Inaba had the best Tewi, and also, the personalities of Reisen, Eiren, Kaguya, Mokou and the other are really nice. The manga take advantage of what ZUN has not yet been able to take advantage of, the charismatic personality of Tewi, and the other wasted characters.

>>37936050
>>37933847
Despite people exaggerating from Akyuu's book, youkai are mortal and can be harmed. They're not superman shrugging off bullets and missiles. They're weak to spiritual and mental attacks but burning them to a crisp likely works as well. Ghosts are probably the only thing outside world can't fight well, which is likely why outside humans are scared of them but not youkai, while gensokyo residents are more scared of youkai but would keep a ghost as a tool to cool the air.

Furthermore youkai are weak to poison, like humans. (at least what poison Medicine can emit), so if gensokyo was found out, outside humans could just gas the whole area and not even have to invade it, since non thinking things like air and sunlight can go through the barrier fine. Technically a nuke should be able to pass through as well.

>>37935891
It's in the vampire profile and it's about the humans that are given to Remilia/Flandre, not about the humans yukari supposedly gaps in, which itself is an exaggeration of something Yukari half said to Kasen. https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Vampire

>>37936708
>which itself is an exaggeration of something Yukari half said to Kasen
It's also said in her PCB profile that all outsiders that are "spirited away" were in reality brought to Gensokyo by Yukari.

Since the outsiders that the vampires get as per their agreement with the youkai aren't necessarily the same as the ones that are randomly spirited away and gnawed on by youkai 95% of the time, I don't think all outsiders that wind up in Gensokyo are humans that wouldn't be missed.

>>37931021
no because i hate it's comedic gag nature. i support what >>37934003 says though, canon unless it contradicts something

>>37937263
>i hate it's comedic gag nature
It's closer in tone to the official games than most of the series though

>>37911943
ive always personally felt that the artist left because of all the scathing remarks people had for their art.

>>37908932
This seems less like masochism and more like she's just excited to be on the other side of the punishment for once.

>>37936495
I mean you say that but what source do we have about Youkai being killed by physical attacks? PMISS is weird in that it gives arguments both in favour and against fearing youkai.

>>37939678
yeah. I do not understand why people complain so much about the style, both the old artist and the new artists have beautiful designs, much better than those that these Anons could wish to have.
In addition, I am almost certain that most here does not buy the sleeve, but do not read it for free online, so with that right these can complain so much about the artists if they do not even support them economically? I say, if you want someone to improve, minimal support it economically so they can work better.

>>37940044
That they have to put themselves back together already implies they can be hurt and even literally immortal fairies can be beaten up to death. Youkai can be eaten, which is just killing them with physical damage, and can be poisoned by Medicine's poison as well as the forest of magic's poison spores. Kasen got her arm cut off and sealed by a sword, not a magic sword or one with history, just a sword which then became known for cutting off her arm. For that matter, it goes along with them just being able to put themselves back together, not grow new body parts, so it's not even regeneration just healing, though admittedly Reimu tried to burn Kasen's arm and couldn't. Magician youkai aren't really physically any different from humans and beast youkai are said to also not really be able to regenerate https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Beast_Youkai

Even without magic tools or anything, the youkai would mostly just get blown apart over and over again. There's nothing stopping outside world humans from implementing anti-youkai measures as well. It's not like it's hard to mass roast beans and put them into shotgun shells or something.

>>37919941
youmu's ongoing crime rampage continues!
why the authorities refuse to take action?!

>>37925519
stupid whale, with stale manga. I hate you.

>>37940559
Outside of Kasen, these examples are mainly for simpler youkai and youkai as a generic term, not taking into account neither the stronger youkai nor how youkai have different weaknesses or resistances. While they might not be invincible, in general youkai are much more strong and have enhanced mobility and skills than the average human, some being weaker while others are far stronger physically, magically, intellectually, etc.
>It's not like it's hard to mass roast beans and put them into shotgun shells or something.
Somewhat unrelated but the point of it is that they're weak to the spiritual and traditions, how much would the tradition aspect of it stay when you're trying to mass produce it like so. Would it work as intended? Maybe only if they put actual belief into it.

>>37941076
>stale manga
Explain yourself

>>37941329
>in general youkai are much more strong and have enhanced mobility and skills than the average human
They aren't fighting humans, they're fighting planes, boats, tanks, and missiles. The weaker youkai are what will mostly be fighting. How many youkai are stronger? How many of those strong ones actually want to fight humans instead of be in gensokyo? How many of them are as strong as you think and could toss a tank around or whatever you are imagining? Would their powers even continue to work properly in the outside world?

>Maybe only if they put actual belief into it.
Rain doesn't need to believe in itself to stop Remi from moving around, nor does the sun to burn her away.

>>37931021
>>37933570
Convoluted rules like "it makes no fucking sense if it's canon". Right.

Hourai immortals can't get sicks, the Lunarian sisters would be arrested if they met Eirin, Tewi can't have a gattling gun, Reisen isn't afraid of being brought back to the moon

Sure is convoluted

>>37936315
It's even a non-canon Tewi though.

Go find a single time Tewi pulls a prank in any other work. She's a scammer, not a prankster.

>>37943044
My grammar's a bit fucked
>Reisen isn't afraid of being brought back to the moon
meaning "in that manga"

In CiLR she understandably has an actual panic attack over the idea. In Inaba she barely registers the event. That is, in fact, "the joke".

>>37934074
Then they're not reading and they're also possible retarded. Things have context.

>>37930995
Reisen was an ace and a highly valued member of the military in a top position.

So, yeah, she absolutely could have been in that position.

>>37943044
>Hourai immortals can't get sicks,
Why not? They heal after taking damage if Mokou is anything to go by, but from that we know her body can still take damage. Being immortal doesnt HAVE to mean you cant catch a cold. Or that you wont catch it again after resurrecting. I think you’re assuming rules that we dont know.

>the Lunarian sisters would be arrested if they met Eirin
Are we sure Eirin is capable of that? She may know better than to try.

>Tewi can't have a gattling gun
Other characters have guns. Tewi is crafty, she could get one. They arent impossible to find in Gensokyo.

>Reisen isn't afraid of being brought back to the moon
I dont remember this, not saying you’re wrong it’s just been a while since I’ve read it.

>>37944172
>>Hourai immortals can't get sicks,
>Why not?
The Hourai Elixir explicitly makes the drinker immune to all diseases "on the second taste", no ifs, ands or buts

>>37944172
>Are we sure Eirin is capable of that? She may know better than to try.
Not what I mean, I mean that in SSiB and CiLR it's discussed that even sending a clandestine coded message between Eirin and the sisters is an enormous risk due to Erin being a fugitive murderer who has strong ties to said sisters. They are under constant suspicion.

>Other characters have guns. Tewi is crafty, she could get one. They arent impossible to find in Gensokyo.
The guns within Gensokyo are old rifles at best, though I honestly wouldn't take what is literally a joke seriously? Why would you

>I dont remember this, not saying you’re wrong it’s just been a while since I’ve read it.
It's in Eirin's chapter of the novel.

>>37944384
Adding to this it's been sometimes debated that Eirin isn't a Hourai immortal, but the Netherworld Team ending of IN makes it clear that she has taken the elixir.

>>37944513
basically tl;dr Reisen freaks out about 1 unknown suspected moon rabbit coming to earth, meanwhile in Inaba the arrival of "literally her original slavemasters" means almost nothing to her, she just has a gag reaction

Which, honestly, is funny within the context of her actual probable canon reaction to such an event, but it indicates more that Inaba is just for jokes, not to be taken seriously

>>37942895
>How many...
We don't know, but those questions can also be rephrased in the youkai favour and you wouldn't be able to answer either, these discussions always end up to anyone's interpretation since the details you ask for don't really exist so even if I were to answer we would just be setting retarded parameters with barely any solid foundation.
We have spent like 20 years hearing about how stupidly powerful youkai are which is why I wouldn't think it'd be as easy as something portrayed on that one modern army gets isekai'd anime. Some are able to burn entire villages to the ground with ease, some can turn to mist and go undetected, some can calculate complex astronomical events in an instant, some can regenerate from a single piece and block the sun out of a whim, some can fight each other on mock wars that would be lethal for humans but come out unharmed. You could say this shit is exaggerated or dubious but so is 95% of the lore which makes these discussions even more pointless. None of this shit matters anyway because all they want is to get drunk and launch lasers at each other so we'll never really learn.
>How many of those strong ones actually want to fight humans instead of be in gensokyo?
What do you even want me to tell you here? This is war speculation wankery, none of them would go fight humans in the first place.

>>37920138
Reimu is at her best when she doesn't even realize she's using her miko powers. The moment she's conscious about what she's doing her potential tanks considerably.

>>37945561
It makes me think of how Kasen couldn't even touch the ying-yang ball without it blowing up her arm, but Reimu had such trouble fighting her.

>>37931021
Its both cannon and non-cannon in a sense. The actual events themselves aint canon but the character interactions and personalities are.

How could you not want this canon?

>>37943044
are the Hourai immortal's immunes to pollen?. because if so, then this fan-comic is non-canon.

>>37953271
this doesnt happen

>>37956336
That's probably a different case, since allergies aren't illnesses, they're the natural state of one's body. The bodies of hourai are "human", it's possible to still have human allergies--I just imagine you'd maybe recover from them usually fast, and definitely can't die (permanently) from them. Like sneezing for example is a reaction of "tickling" so, basically, afaik that there is debatable.

>>37946189
even that isn't quite right with Eirin being nice and cute, Tewi not being actual pure evil, and Reisen being fearless.

Reisen, however, is probably the closest to "correct", if you ignore that she isn't completely anxiety-ridden. Tewi is indeed a shit, and annoying, but she never pulls pranks.

>>37957832
>they're the natural state of one's body
They're an immune system disorder, but in the case of it being too strong. They might be prone to allergies if anything.

>>37958762
sure but they're not diseases or foreign effects, right?

>>37958806
Allergies are diseases. Like that anon said they are immunocompromised

>>37958836
Well then

if that's the case drinking the elixir for the second sip would cure you of them permanently.

>>37915952
Sadomasochist actually

>>37929857
Because they are retards. Shes actually a Sadomasochist. She enjoys both dealing punishment and receiving it.

>>37934003
>I'd treat it like the PC-98 games, canon until something else contradicts it
This

>>37943084
okay, reisen

>>37946189
>The actual events themselves aint canon
Except the actual events ARE canon. The Lunar Festival, the Watasuki's visit, Reisen II, are later referenced in official print works. The events, the characterization and personalities are all canon. Reisen abuse, Tewi being a turbojew, Kaguya and Mokou's hlove/hate/HATE relationship, Eirin's shady drug making, it's all intended and canonized. Specific gag panels are 'irrelevant' but Inaba is firmly part of the lore.

>>37959404
>Except the actual events ARE canon.
THIS. People seem to legitimately forget something about Inaba. THE OMAKE AT THE VERY END OF THE MANGA. Its revealed at the end of the manga that this is all just a diary made by Kaguya, however after Tewi convinces her to make it a book and to exaggerate the characters. In the end the result is the manga we just ended up reading.

The events of Inaba ARE canon, just exaggerated due to Tewis influence.

>>37959466
>just exaggerated due to Tewis influence.
>(((Tewi's))) influence

>>37959404
>The Lunar Festival, the Watasuki's visit, Reisen II, are later referenced in official print works
The Watatsuki visit is never referenced because it never happens. The Festival does happen, it's the only documented thing, and Reisen II was not an invention of Inaba.

This is just bullshit people have been SAYING for years. You can NOT find a source that proves it, because you wouldn't, because there isn't anything.

>>37959233
She has never indicated liking being punished, very much the opposite

>>37961175
There's also this that's worth mentioning as it never brings up the alleged visit, which it otherwise would given these are summaries of what the characters have done and Inaba IS a part of Bougetsushou where they were introduced https://en.touhouwiki.net/index.php?title=Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Watatsuki_no_Toyohime,_Watatsuki_no_Yorihime_and_Reisen&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile

On that note it's also worth mentioning this, where again Tewi isn't mentioned to be a prankster. The TL is a bit weird though, the word is about trickery or cunning, not pranking https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Strange_Creators_of_Outer_World/Who%27s_Who_of_Humans_%26_Youkai_in_Gensokyo/Reisen_Udongein_Inaba_and_Tewi_Inaba

>>37961265
>Tewi isn't mentioned to be a prankster.

"Ancient Duper"
>Natural born duper. She always gets paid back for her duping, but she never learns.

>>37961380
A dupe isn't a prank. A synonym would be scam, which she does indeed do aplenty: selling her own kind as slaves for immediate monetary and eventual suffering/youkai gains, tricking people into paying for luck for her even though her luck is normal, tricking sharks into getting her across a river etc

She's a scummy manipulator, not a cute, pranking rodent.
random source:
>As verbs the difference between scam and dupe. is that scam is to defraud or embezzle while dupe is to swindle, deceive, or trick

>>37961430
bleh, "luck is normal" meant that you don't need to pay for it: just seeing Tewi makes you lucky

>>37961430
She's a trickster. Prank, scam, trick, fraud, dupe, all the same thing. Prank is a lighter version of "sadistic bully" for when it comes to her treatment of Udogien, who deserves all of Tewi's efforts. Because those 'pranks' are non-lethal and Udogien survives them.

>>37961506
>when it comes to her treatment of Udogien
She hasn't actually ever done anything to Reisen in canon other than flatly ignore her and escape her when she calls, though.

Actually, Eirin has pranked *her* in the past, by drugging her rabbits. Other than that I can't think of any pranks, she's mostly known for scheming.

>>37961506
also no they really aren't the same thing, that's entirely why "just a prank, bro" is a phrase. A prank is a prank, a scam is potentially criminal--which Tewi is, she's quite criminal by most laws in our world at least. Fraud is also a crime. A dupe isn't necessarily a crime, but is a manipulation, "pulling one over", closely tied to swindling--a crime of some sort of theft. Only word close to prank in your list is trick, though trick is also a loose word.

The reason I harp on this is it's really obvious to me after reading and playing everything that the "Tewi is prankster" idea is stuck in fandom deep, similar to "Eiki is short and bratty" and "Marisa is VERY GAY and a harem protagonist". It undermines what makes Tewi legitimately interesting: how despite her outward appearance of a canonically pristine, gorgeous rabbit, she has an extensive history of fucking other people over, manipulating them, and even spreading a huge amount of death, even canonically enslaving the minds of her entire race, even wanting to know how to take down Lunarians. She's an intense character despite her forward presentation.

>>37961779
That was a nice read until you went full reteraded at the end

>>37956336
As I recall, this is how they actually behave in canon.

>>37959404
I stand corrected then.

>>37965372
There's some people who think Tewi in WaHH is some evil slave mastermind type for trying to create more rabbit yokai, as if the goal of every yokai fraction isn't to expand their influence
Kind of a retarded take on it

>>37969025
furthermore, rabbits are treated better as pets than they can be in the wild. Like normal rabbits, the most they can hope for is to be a predator's lunch.
I think Tewi was only thinking of the best for hers kind. Compared to the rest of the inhabitants of Gensokyo, she has a fair moral. She just wants to survive in a world that is not kind to little rabbits.

>>37969449
Yeah, even if it's a bit sad knowing humans would eventually abandon the rabbits, they'd still get to learn what it's like to be comforted and they basically get a free powerup when becoming a yokai.
Like everything in Touhou, most things are morally grey. You have to change your perspective instead of going by your own moral code (captivity bad therefore tewi bad kind of thinking).

>>37971513
Why is it sad that a captured wild animal was returned to the wild? Being a pet doesn't mean being treated badly, but being returned to their original state isn't an act of evil. The only morally grey part here is that, being a rabbit, Tewi can probably communicate with and is in cahoots with the normal rabbits in a scheme similar to what the fortune teller did and thus the rabbits are intentionally using the humans and have no intentions of being their pet to begin with, i.e. only the humans have the potential to miss them while the rabbits are happy the humans aren't going to eat them and won't miss them one bit.

>>37965372
>>37969025
>>37969449
>>37971513
>>37971803
When was the last time you read it? She sells them into slavery with the expectation that they will suffer, die, and gain enough resentment to... enter slavery AGAIN, under her thrall. This is directly her own words, and exactly why Kasen condemns her. Can you at least try to not be fucking morons and read shit rather than just spouting what you'd like to hear? She's a youkai, kindness and cuteness are exceptions, not the rule. She's quite literally a monster.

>>37974566
And here he is like clockwork

>>37968899
No you don't, he didn't source anything. IIRC the Festival is in a PMiSS article, but there's nothing else (again: Reisen II wasn't invented by Inaba).

>>37974575
A reply getting a response. Shocking.

>>37974566
RE Earth Rabbits are under Tewi's direct control

there's a reason the only other individual rabbits we've ever seen were moon rabbits.

So how is Tewi leading rabbit yokai any different from someone like Lord Tenma leading the tengu? Is following orders evil?

>>37971803
>Being a pet doesn't mean being treated badly
that's literally the whole point, she accentuates their "happiness" so that their suffering is magnified and they can become youkai--without free will, mind you. And they don't have a choice in the first place, although it's worth noting that Tewi adopts a kill or be killed frank survivalist stance. She believes if a rabbit is caught and dies they deserved it. That is a moral gray if anything, though it's a little fucked that she's adopting this stance with her own race in order to gather and sell them. Source -- because wow did you know you can source claims you make? -- is BAiJR

>>37974693
It's worded as if she controls them with words, not as if she actually guides them. Rather the only guidance they're said to receive is from Eirin, as Eirin has a deal with Tewi to share knowledge in exchange for sanctuary. AFAIK, Tewi controls the rabbits, but has shown no indication of helping them. Total opposite, arguably. She recruits them to suit her own interests.

>>37974753
i don't know they expect from a millenias old rabbit who understands rabbits place in the food chain

>>37974753
also as I think on this more I find it funny that a silver-tongued manipulator is manipulating fans into believing her lies in WaHH

Like, she says that "we're the rabbits who have seen heaven and hell" but she's not, she hasn't seen heaven OR hell. Tewi is a rabbit who by word of god ascended purely by "taking care of *herself*", she's also implied to be the White Hare of Inaba, who did see some great kindness indeed but never was taken as a pet. In other words Tewi has always lived free.
Wording herself with solidarity she claims she's giving rabbits luxury, but in truth she's forcing them out of the freedom she was allowed and putting them in a situation which she not only expects, but wants to result in them dying horribly via starvation, abandonment, or a bullet to the head so that they hate humans and "quickly" become youkai, therefore bolstering her army. And they're dumb fucking rabbits so they just see it plainly: Tewi gave us a wonderful life, but it was humans who hurt us. Blahdiblah, fall back into Tewi's arms again without a second thought, now with resentment for humanity.
It's honestly pretty genius and a smart execution of her privilege.

>>37974823
She's a bit hypocritical because Daikokuten rescued her from sharks/being skinned alive so ironically despite her proclaiming self-reliance, she wouldn't be here without completely magnanimous aid from a random human.

>>37974566
Why does every 2hu manga do this? It's starting to piss me off.

>>37975565
what?

>>37974566
She says right at the end that the humans didn't actually kill them but abandoned them instead creating a thriving rabbit ecosystem. You probably think fortune teller really was evil.

>>37974642
>individual rabbits we've ever seen were moon rabbits.
The same moon rabbits that have a hive mind connection and military hierarchy? The only individuals are the ones who have escaped or been thrown away. You saw how Reisen likes punishment rooms, do we need to go back to that? You think it was the Lunarians punishing rabbit slaves and not rabbits punishing lower ranked disobedient rabbits? The earth rabbits aren't expected to throw their lives away in battle.

Besides, if anyone enslaves animals, it's Kasen, it even compares Tewi to a hermit right in that image.

>>37974753
>It's worded as if she controls them with words
That's called "giving orders". People who aren't NEETs are typically subject to this all the time.

>but she's not, she hasn't seen heaven OR hell.
>Daikokuten rescued her from sharks/being skinned alive
>she wouldn't be here without completely magnanimous aid from a random human.
Sounds like she's seen both. Hell for those rabbits is just being forced to live like an actual rabbit. It's as much hell as a NEET having to go to work to stay alive because all the other sources of money dried up.

>Tewi has always lived free.
So she knows what it's like for "abandoned" rabbits. "abandoned" because aren't they free then? If being a pet is a slave or not free.

>>37974566
>She sells them into slavery
>directly her own words
They're being sold as pets to be pampered.

>>37975796
And, ideally, murdered. Pets = slaves also. Though you tend to be kinder to pets, they're the same things: lives sold as property. A pet's owner is their master, and a slave's owner is their master.

And again, it's funny letting the manipulation work over you. If they're pampered, then their suffering will be greater. This also completely ignores: you can live a decent life without luxuries as a rabbit, but that isn't ideal for Tewi's goals.

Ah I get it, it another "anon thinks his headcanon is canon" episode.

>>37975570
They all do that panel with a close up of someone's foot when they begin speaking or do a scene transition. They do it at least once a chapter if not every major conversation. Hirasaka seemed like he would do it more than that, probably for reasons. These ones from Satori and Miyoi manga this month. It makes me wonder if ZUN is telling them to do it.

>>37975945
Well, ZUN did learn to draw feet properly before he started drawing nicer hands, so...maybe the real rabbits were the feet we made along the way.

>>37975827
If pets are slaves then children are slaves. How is something that lives with no expectations but for you to feed it and clean up its shit a slave?

>>37975987
You don't buy children, anon.

>>37975942
Depends on who you mean. One person is pointing to pages, dialogue, statements, profiles, and novels, and the other is indeed saying things unsubstantiated.

>>37976016
Anyone can point at a piece of dialog and come to their own personal conclusions that come from their own interpretations and then debate about it on the internet.

>>37976007
In Afghanistan you do

>>37976050
There's no extrapolation, it's just pointing out the text on the page, unless you're extrapolating things differently despite it being spelled out for you? What more do you want?

It'd also help if the bids for counterexamples were listened to rather than ignored. I know why they're ignored, the counterexamples literally don't exist, but it's still funny to sincerely say something is headcanon while you have literally nothing. Where's Tewi playing pranks? Where's Tewi not being evil? Where's Tewi as a pet herself therefore substantiating her claims that she shares the standard earth rabbit experience? Where's corroboration of the Watatsuki visit? Where's anything? It's nowhere.

>>37976007
You adopt children and you adopt pets. Pets can also be random animals you took in off the street or born from another pet. They are not property and have no trade value. Furthermore a slave is one who is made to work against their will. Pets have no expectation of being made to work. A pet is something you go out of your way to take care of for little to no reason.

Also as I said before, you cannot be a slave and abandoned. If a pet is a slave, then throwing them out is emancipation. It is only abandonment if they have the status of a child, in which case it's the same as throwing a child out onto the street.

>You don't buy children, anon.
Tell that to celebrities who adopt. And that's just modern day. You most certainly could buy children historically and probably in lots of places still.

>>37976223
Well she's SELLING them not putting them up for adoption.

Your point on "can't be abandoned as a slave" is worthwhile but I'd still contend "ownership and being treated as property, literally purchased with a receipt" isn't great either, especially in this context where the expected and desired scenario is your inevitable suffering and death. In what fucked mindset would you have to be in to think that sounds nice?

>>37976254
Whatever difference you think there is, there's not.

>>37976308
If you're saying there's no difference between sale and adoption that's just incorrect and I don't think I need to tell you to read a dictionary. I don't want to think you're that dumb.

I mean not to go way off topic but when adopting animals there's still fees involved, though I guess that would depend on the shelter? I haven't encountered any that just let you have the animals without trying to cover the cost of caring for the animal, and no I don't mean pet stores.
This is reminding me of Aya's wing debates.

>>37976363
well for one the idea here is a bunny market, a store, and while the front word is "we're doing this because we care" like no, be sensible, Tewi has never shown that she cares about anyone but herself and Daikoku. She makes money, by making money few consider it suspicious, and she says this is in order to repeat a mass genocide event that will bolster her numbers. Win, win, win basically.

But that is fair to say, that there is less of a difference or more of a nebulous difference when the matter is animals

>>37976254
>especially in this context where the expected and desired scenario is your inevitable suffering and death. In what fucked mindset would you have to be in to think that sounds nice?
Your dog gives birth to puppies but you cannot afford to take care of a pack of dogs
You could
1. Throw the puppies into the river where they will drown.
2. Send the puppies into the wild where they will killed by larger animals.
3. Give the puppies away to others who will take care of them for a while but may just abandon them anyway, leave them tied to a post all day, or maybe even make them fight other dogs. Also you may receive compensation in exchange for giving the puppy to them.
4. Have mutilated the bitch beforehand so she couldn't have puppies with her mangled body to begin with.

>>37976325
If your defense is a dictionary, then you really have no argument and are probably ESL.

>>37976420
I'm not a youkai looking to create a cadre of thralls. Tewi is catching rabbits from the wild or rather, literally telling them to enter cages so she can double profit via cash and suffering.

They're not rabbits that she got from humans, or rabbits that were born and given to her, they're rabbits like she originally was, but without her opportunities. The situation is not the same at all. Unless you're saying "wwyd" if I was in that situation to prod at my morals, but that still operates within a different context. When I as a human give an animal away on the expectation that someone will take care of it until it dies a satisfied death, I, well, do that. When Tewi does it--"read the manga, it's not for the satisfying long life"

>>37976440
What is that even supposed to mean

Are you trying to backpedal or just roundabout enter an argument of semantics? Quiet.

>>37976498
I'm saying you already started that argument of semantics instead of a real argument and that furthermore the semantics have no bearing on reality. Spending money on something doesn't mean you own it like a chair. Partners are not slaves or property, adopted children are not slaves or property, pets are not slaves or property, and vtubers are not slaves or property.

>>37976829
>Spending money on something doesn't mean you own it
HMMMM

Why are pet owners called owners, then? Call it semantics all you want, but why are you genuinely trying to call "property" "not property"? While I can almost see your argument, language and how people act disagree. The difference is minor at best, at least for pets. Especially pets which one uses functionally, but that's another story. It's probably also worth mentioning that slave owners do ideally care for their slaves otherwise they, you know, die? They feed them and shelter them and such. The dynamic and intentions are different but fundamentally it's a sale of a life, plain and simple. You don't buy a vtuber when spending money on a membership. You don't "buy" a child when adopting them, categorically, though you will have to spend money. You do buy most pets, chairs, and slaves. It's a unit sold and purchased, end of point. How things happen after that is your desired point of contention

>>37976498
>Unless you're saying "wwyd" if I was in that situation to prod at my morals, but that still operates within a different context. When I as a human give an animal away on the expectation that someone will take care of it until it dies a satisfied death, I, well, do that. When Tewi does it
Have you ever heard the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? It's not what you wanted to do or what you intended to do, it's what you did. If you give the puppies to humans, you're no better than Tewi, period.

>>37976922
You sound like someone who's going to be arrested for animal abuse

>>37976966
My given away puppies are likely to be murdered and turn into youkai, huh?

No anon that doesn't make sense. And further, the intentions Tewi has AREN'T EVEN GOOD.

My context: researching a potential owner before giving up an animal with the expectation that the animal will be treated well, period. Also the animal was one I got from an animal I already own, regardless of my intentions.

Her context: Doesn't matter who it is, sell the animal to them. The animal which, reminder, she caught. Further the ideal situation is the animal is treated well and can then be murdered or abandoned.

"Good intentions"? She's a youkai. Why are you equating humans with monsters

>>37977003
Because I'm condemning the idea of selling animals with the intention of them being abused and killed? That does make sense.

>>37977017
ensuring an owner has disposable income to spend on an animal could be construed as a good thing.

>>37977087
It could be, unfortunately Kasen was given the full context of Tewi's intentions from Tewi herself. Honestly I'm just really baffled that what is just a chapter that is explicit about a youkai being evil can be contentious at all. I guess because people think "grimsokyo" is fanon. I'd better not bring up how Yukari kidnaps humans for food, then.

>>37977101
you see what you want to see

>>37977017
>"Good intentions"? She's a youkai. Why are you equating humans with monsters
don't devolve into "us vs them" tribalism anon. Kasen, Aunn, Keine, etc. are youkai but they certainly arent monsters.

>>37977363
Kasen is actually, or was rather, QUITE the monster. It seems to be implied that losing parts of herself is what allows her to be good.
Aunn is a guardian spirit.
Keine is half human.

Better choice would be Suika, though she is said to be unusual for an oni, and she doesn't kidnap (and presumably doesn't eat) humans. She clearly loves humanity so much that she's the only one who can forgive them for their betrayals.

Remilia is also a decent pick, though she's killed before (accidentally at least). Kogasa is... well she's not "evil", and she is helpful, but she was born out of resentment toward humanity.

Kyouko is alright. I don't think she's ever hurt anyone on purpose? Wakasagihime is also canonically nice. Narumi seems mostly nice and so does Miyoi.

I'm pretty sure every other explicit youkai in canon either has blood on their hands or ill will in their hearts. Aya edges toward not being bad but Hatate implies that tengu eat humans.

>>37977484
>Remilia is also a decent pick
She's a vampire. By default she noms on outsiders on a somewhat regular basis. Plenty of blood on her hands. And fangs haha

>>37977017
>My context:
Doesn't matter. That's what the phrase is about. There is no context other than that you did the action. If they murder every puppy and turn them into inugami, it's through your actions and you = Tewi.

>The animal which, reminder, she caught.
There you go again. If the rabbits are Tewi's slaves(= pets to you) to begin with, then they are animals she got from ones she already owns, not captured. If they are abandoned, they they are set free. If they are intended to come back to Tewi, then their status never changed and they were born slaves(pets), lived as slaves(pets), and became youkai as slaves(pets) and Tewi didn't do anything wrong.

>She's a youkai. Why are you equating humans with monsters
Rabbits are animals, why are you equating humans with animals? Animals can't be slaves, just as one would argue humans cannot be pets.

>>37977573
They do have thought and consciousness, at least in Touhou. But whether that means much is up to your interpretation. Also I think an important distinction is not that Tewi owns the rabbits, just that she controls them. Her extreme power from her ancient-tier life gives her massive control, it isn't ever actually painted as a willing matter or a matter of ownership. It's somewhat disturbing but I'll grant literally one thing: youkai rabbits under Tewi's leadership seem happy. Unfortunately we also know that they probably resent humans, but the ones we know of should be of the first batch--ergo, not Tewi's fault.

>>37977573
>There is no context
On this note, you really can't think that way because "the road to hell" quote is about active participation toward a bad conclusion, not from an action being taken from your hands. You may as well say that "Oh, you bought ice cream today? Well, if you hadn't done that then MAYBE that kid who happens to be behind you wouldn't have gotten shot! THIS IS YOUR FAULT"
further it's like a trolley problem in your example. If you didn't have a choice in the matter of the dog's pregnancy, and you cannot afford to keep the dog, what should you do? Further you're relying on your own people--your community, and humans are communal. It's basically just odd to equate things unless you're being reductive for a shallow "win"

>>37977536
Yeah but she doesn't try to kill them. It can't be helped, and it's unknown but given both she and Flan are vampires I think it's safe to say she had no choice but to be one. The only time she's done something debatably dangerous was filling Misty Lake with mist, and Misty Lake is already dangerous regardless of her influence. Mostly Remilia is seen as being extremely kind, which really highlights her absurd claims about being evil

>>37977612
>They do have thought and consciousness, at least in Touhou. But whether that means much is up to your interpretation.
Well they're either her property to do with as she wills or they're complacent in the scheme and we're back to >>37971803

>Her extreme power from her ancient-tier life gives her massive control, it isn't ever actually painted as a willing matter or a matter of ownership. It's somewhat disturbing
Well Kasen can control animals, rabbits included. Is Kasen disturbing? She's even modified youkai into other youkai. Does she have a right to say anything to Tewi? Is Wriggle as disturbing because she controls bugs? Keep in mind she is also a bug you can't say bugs can't think or feel.

>>37977845
>Is Kasen disturbing?
Absolutely, Kasen is no saint even post-hermitage. Her decision to give sanctuary to bloodletting youkai is very iffy shit.

And yes Wriggle is described as sort of fucked because she toys with bugs thoughtlessly. She whimsically makes them dance and such. She is, however, a moron and can be given a lot of leeway. She's not a smart schemer she's just a youkai with power.

Anyway youkai are not generally good beings, again being good is an exception for them. They inspire fear, do bad things, hurt people, and sometimes eat them. On an "against humans" scale Tewi is actually not bad at all. She gives humans luck whether she wants to or not, and rescues them accidentally. She doesn't really attack people, and she provides them cute pets. However she also toys with the lives of members of her own race while simultaneously mocking any who weren't blessed with a god-on-earth like she was, and her conduct naturally disgusts Kasen as a result. Kasen is a weird hippie, though. Her house is less a place of pets owned and more an animal shelter.

>>37977671
>"the road to hell" quote is about active participation toward a bad conclusion
No it's not, and you don't understand it at all. It just means you had a good intention but it results in something bad happening. If you gave the dog and the dog dies, it's by your actions that it was able to happen, it's not your intention or about the context nor about your willing and active participation. It's only about the end result.

>You may as well say that "Oh, you bought ice cream today? Well, if you hadn't done that then MAYBE that kid who happens to be behind you wouldn't have gotten shot! THIS IS YOUR FAULT"
If you buying the ice cream is linked to the kid getting shot, then yes, it falls under that. Otherwise you're making a comparison that has nothing to do with the situation in an attempt to make the phrase seem nonsensical.

>>37978023
>Otherwise you're making a comparison that has nothing to do with the situation in an attempt to make the phrase seem nonsensical.
Yeah, I'd say that's what you're doing. You are indeed putting two entirely different scenarios together despite them being different, good going.

>>37978023
Why even bring it up in a discussion of morality when morality is about judging your judgement, not the results of your actions?

>>37977916
>They inspire fear, do bad things, hurt people, and sometimes eat them.
So do humans, are humans evil?

>>37978204
Humans do not innately do any of those things, youkai -- monsters -- tend to. Not all of them, but quite a few of them. As in they are born to only do bad.

>>37978222
Yes they do and youkai are born from human minds.

>>37978244
Fuck off, literally just shut up. No. They don't. Witness humanity and witness that the majority of humans aren't compelled to murder and terrify one another. I'm not going to entertain your bullshit, don't make me say obvious shit.

>>37978244
They come from human minds to explain why humans suffer, and so they make humans suffer.

Or they're just weird things to explain the unexplainable.

>>37978269
I witness humanity and see only wars and genocide and screwing each other over for a buck. I mean a human conceived of Tewi's plan to begin with.

>>37978269
Are we even reading and playing the same series?

>>37979305
A human only sold rabbits, without any intention to spread chaos or pain or suffering.
>>37980583
you're probably thinking that comment has to do with the "youkai come from humans" thing but no it doesn't, it comes from the inane "humans are teh evulll!!!11!" teenager tier comment

Humanity is big and one can't really decide if we're good or evil, that's too generalising. It's also a matter of perspectives of something is Evil or not.

Youkai on the other hand were born out of the fear of humans. They are mostly "evil" from the point of view of Humanity because they represent that which is dangerous to humanity and they can only maintain their existence by attacking humans.

>>37908973
Cute. I want her to defile my corpse.

>>37983148
That kind of evil is the kind of way wolves are evil because they attack sheep to stay alive.

>>37985070
Yeah but wolves attack sheep out of hunger, if they don't kill they don't live, youkai can exist out of meme magic and nothing else, that's how they work, youkai aren't physical beingsm

>>37985106
If Youkai don't scare and attack humans they will lose faith be forgotten.

>>37919941
what a smug dork

>>37925059
That's not how karma works.
And they deserved to get laughed at anyways

why people do so scandal with that Tewi is selling to those of her kind?, If the humans of the human village are slaves of the youkais, and they don't care, since the youkai protect the village of the famine and Natural disasters (just look at the reaction of Marisa with respect to the subject).
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Part_1
In addition, what is worse? Being a weak rabbit, without mind or reasoning, and that can only aspire to be trapped and devoured. Or be a pet, be valued and treated with affection, becoming Youkai, gaining the ability of thought and reasoning, as well as the longevity and magical powers of a Youkai.
For me those who better get winning are the rabbits, in the end those who are being deceived are humans.
In addition, what is worse? Being a weak rabbit, without mind or reasoning, and that can only aspire to be trapped and devoured. Or be a pet, be valued and treated with affection, becoming Youkai, gaining the ability of thought and reasoning, as well as the longevity and magical powers of a Youkai.
For me those who better get winning are the rabbits, in the end those who are being deceived are humans.

>>37986748

>>37986817
Marisa is a criminal and a druggie, she doesn't know what dignity means.

>>37986748
I find it strange that despite the benefits of living in the human village (extremely good medical care beyond anything in the outside world, youkai protect from natural disasters, etc.) the fortune teller still called his life "miserable [...] under the yoke of youkai". Did he not know youkai protected the village (unlikely considering his divinations were powerful enough to perceive the Outside World, unless he was extremely oblivious or something)? Or did he think that in spite of the benefits, living as a villager in Gensokyo was still miserable compared to the Outside?

It's not like he was an urchin living off of scraps or anything either, if Kosuzu's fortune telling business success says anything he was probably enjoying quite a financially comfy life, yet he still considered his life miserable due to youkai. Odd.

>>37986817
god i hate the way she talks in english

>>37987288
"Pain while one is free is infinitely sweeter then joy in shackles" - some dude, I don't remember
Maybe he wanted to go around and explorer the World? He might have found out everything about Gensokyou and didn't want to be part of it.

Seeking something more then one has is natural and being forced into living in a place surrounded by danger constantly living in fear, where you're nothing more the glorified cattle, aren't allowed to leave and are keep ignorant so that you won't get any ideas.

>>37986817
>even if I were forced inta somethin', I'd be perfectly fine with that so long as I were havin' fun.
Marisa is fine with getting raped as long as she ends up enjoying it?

>>37988429
just like my doujinshi

>>37988429
Looks like it. She's a wild girl.

>>37961380
Question, where does Tewi interacting with Sharks come from? I see it a lot.

>>37988554
IIRC the mythical rabbit she was based on was skinned alive by sharks for being a jerk

>>37988320
me too.
i can't understand a single word of what she say in CoLA.

>>37988554
classical mythology, hare of inaba

>>37988554
Tewi is the Hare of Inaba:
>Seems to be patterned after her crossing of the sea by fooling the sharks in ancient times.
https://touhou.fandom.com/wiki/The_Grimoire_of_Marisa:_Tewi_Inaba%27s_Spell_Cards

>>37987288
There is nothing odd about not wanting to be under the yoke of youkai slavery. Fortune Teller wanted to be a free man, not pampered cattle. The Secret History Association will take over from where he left off and free the human villagers from their youkai chains.

>>37987288
Humans are very vindictive creatures when it comes to these things, especially if they feel they're being oppressed by something. Knowing that he and the other villagers were needed for youkai to survive probably drove him nuts, regardless of how comfy it was in the village.
Humans aren't really like other creatures because of how idealistic they are, and dying painfully but free instead of living under the control of another is one of those ideals. Another one is despising traitors. If a youkai betrayed other youkai to help humanity, I doubt many of them would care. Hell, Kasen was one of the sages of Gensokyo and is clearly on humanity's side now, but you don't see any youkai trying to assassinate her or something.
On the other hand, if it became public knowledge that a human was helping the youkai, they'd be lynched in the streets by the end of the day, and never forgiven if they somehow escaped. Humans are weak creatures that are only strong in numbers and create shared ideals to enhance their chances of survival, unlike individual youkai, which is why a human becoming a youkai is such a crime and why it's important the human population doesn't learn how Gensokyo actually works.

>>37991309
>Secret History Association
You mean that joke group of weakling loser humans? The Human Village is doomed, the youkai maiden has made sure of that

>>37987288
>Or did he think that in spite of the benefits, living as a villager in Gensokyo was still miserable compared to the Outside
You might notice he didn't leave Gensokyo but instead killed himself and turned into a youkai. He just wanted to be The Man instead of oppressed by them. If he was so smart and hated his life in Gensokyo, he could have just convinced Reimu or someone to let him out and faked his death in the village or something. But then if he was so good, he would have foreseen Reimu killing him. Or maybe he did and there's a copy of his fortune stuff on the net in the outside world being passed around like links to the Timecube site and he's already free.

>>37993012
It's kinda the Villagers and their Ancastor's fault. They let themselves get separated form the Ouside World and when they were surrounded by enemies on all sides, they had the bright idea of not training their descended as Youkai Hunters and passing downe thier knowledge of how to deal with them. They left all the Work to one Shrine Maiden who now gets selected by the Youkai.

>>37911943
According to her Twitter and translations from a friend, unfortunately the old artist has chronic back pain and was forced to quit, plus additional legal trouble(?) she’s dealing with. I’m assuming the chronic back pain was the “illness” that we were hearing about when she originally announced her retirement.

It took a while for me to warm up to their artstyle, honestly, but I don’t know whether I prefer old artist vs new artist. Both styles seem to give the manga a different tone in my opinion, while still being the same story, if that makes sense. Or maybe I’m just retarded.

>>37993735
>he could have just convinced Reimu or someone to let him out and faked his death in the village or something
Reimu would never allow that, so it's a nonstarter. Fortune Teller chose his best option considering the circumstances but came up short because of the youkai maiden not minding senseless killing.

>>37993947
Producing people like Marisa and Kosuzu shows that the human village has the potential to usurp the youkai order should they get determined and organized. But that's why the youkai run the village in a way that would make the East German's blush and disappear anyone that poses enough of a threat to them. Having Keine brainwash the children is additional insurance.

Yo, this is cute

>>37995981
What is?

>>37991872
>Kasen was one of the sages of Gensokyo and is clearly on humanity's side now, but you don't see any youkai trying to assassinate her or something
I mean being a high position like that would lead to whomever trying to kill her having a big red target on them. Plus Kasen can probably handle herself if need be, after all who'd wanna fuck with an Oni given their in universe rep?

>>38003512
Yuuka could do it, but she has no reason to.

Since this has devolved into a lore debate thread lemme jut in and ask a question real quick. I see sometimes where it is mentioned that in ancient times traditional mikos often engaged in prostitution despite the apparent image of purity and chastity, but have not been able to find any sources that support this. Wonder if any of the lore autists can chip on this.

>>38009615
I realize this question sounds like it came out of nowhere but I am actually genuinely interested because I want to use the figure of the traditional shrine maiden in a creative work and thus have to get a good understanding of its nature. Information is relatively scarce in the west regarding this,

>>37995981
>>38001725
I concur with this anon, what is?

>>38009615
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/歩き巫女

>>38014247
Good stuff anon. This is what I am looking for. From what I can glance this is only limited to a type of them, right? That is to say that actually disciplined and serious mikos were also a thing.

>>38014783
As far as I know, it was only a certain period where they did that. It's not part of any ritual or anything. That isn't to say those manga where some countryside village picks a girl to be a miko and gangbangs her didn't happen but mainstream mikos have nothing to do with prostitution. I'm not sure they're required to be virgins or even not have sex though.

>That is to say that actually disciplined and serious mikos
How does that conflict with being a prostitute? There have been religions with disciplined and serious priestesses who also performed sex rites as part of services.

>despite the apparent image of purity and chastity
This is probably a modern thought of mikos being similar to nuns, who aren't required to be virgins either.

>>38016063
Right. Thanks for the elaborations. Now I sort of understand why they appear often in coom art, and I'll also be careful to not be influenced by a modern perception.

Sanae definitely performs sexual rites for faith points

>>38009469
She doesn't really have a reason for anything these days

>>38018095
Well she never really had. Still I would love to see more of her in the Future, be it in Manga, Novel or Game format.

>>38020861
With her old pal Mima back in action she's sure to appear eventually in the manga

>>38021070
Let me dream Anon.

>>38026565
yuuka has fallen out of zun's favor
mima has too.
those that displease him will be banished to the forgotten characters bin, where they will never have a appearance in the games ever again.

>>38026783
nah. ZUN say they someday come back.
look how Sakuya and Sanae return to be playable characters after a time of innactivity.
ZUN just is waiting the perfect time to come back them. since isn't good if the story of the game/manga not had a scuse to put them.

>>38031789
How was HSiFS a perfect time to bring back Yuuka? She could have been extra boss instead of Okina AGAIN.

>>38031810
What would Yuuka have to do with that game besides her title? She made sense in PoFV because it was explicitly about flowers. HSiFS is about seasons, which is not Yuuka's domain. Would have made more sense to blame Yuyuko again.

More of the old characters appearing is always welcome.

>>37988320
Not that her japanese is well mannered either.

>>38016652
I know greek temples had sacred prostitutes, but as I was told, it didn't make people more faithful, it was just another form of income.

>>38034273
I think they had something similar in Mesopotamia too.

>>38032216
Would be fitting the same way Nemuno is in.

>>38032216
You mean the character who has the title of "Flower Master of the Four Seasons"?
When 16 was announced every anon and their mom was excited for Yuuka to appear again for a reason.

>>38034273
Going up to Moriya via cable car is a financial transaction. Going up by foot gives you the faithful special at no cost.

>>38035000
If ZUN was still in his prime he would have brought Yuuka back as phantasm boss in 16. He's just to old to crank out masterpieces like 7 and 8 now.

>>38035000
Yes, she is the Flower Master, not the Four Seasons Master.

You can't expect Yuuka to appear every time flowers come up. She not a flower youkai, she just likes flowers and gardening.

>>38035154
He still can, he just chooses not to. He intentionally rushes the games out in 4 months instead of working on them slowly throughout the year. Everyone thought he worked on Th18 longer than that because he said covid kept him indoors which gave him more time to work on it, but he said recently he made it in 4 months as well.

>>38037600
We need to burn down the garden of the sun

>>38037886
Why does he do it like this? If the games were top quality people would like touhou as a whole more and not say that it was reclining all the time.

>>38037886
Man has got to take care of wife and kids now. Though I always found it surprising that this is his stance towards things. I believe in a older interview he stated that he streamlined his art style for fastest results and can hammer out a song in 2 hours.

>>38041248
Sounds like a good way for Yuuka and all the now homeless fairies and youkai to launch an all-out assault on the rest of Gensokyo that would make the Lunarian invasions look like a joke.

>>38037886
all his games were made in 4 months. no only the last game.
in an interview of him, ZUN say it work hard to make a game for 4 months and the rest of the years he do anothers thing like planning the next game or work in the mangas, novels and de cd's music of touhou, as well as the collabs like the fighting games.

>>38037600
We just want more Yuuka. Be it in Game format, Novel or Manga.

>>38037600
>Flower Master of the Four Seasons

>>38047567
Master Gardener
Master Florist
Just not a flower youkai

>>38048377
What kind of Youkai is she then?

>>38048411
The same kind of Yokai as Meiling and Rumia. Literally just a Yokai. That's it.

>>37931021
I cannot fucking find it for the life of me, but I know for a god damn fact that there was a strip taking place after the second edition of it or whatever that revealed that the entire thing was originally a bunch of bland diary entries written by Kaguya, but Tewi told her to exaggerate everything so Kaguya could sell it as a book and it be really popular. Reisen and Eirin didn't have the heart to tell her it was shit, and Eirin said something like "It's very creative!" when Kaguya asked for her opinion and Reisen was just glad she didn't have to tell Kaguya her opinion.

>>38048740
Never fucking mind, I was a dumbass who didn't look on mangadex, https://mangadex.org/chapter/4fa3bf82-32ff-4b84-86e1-25b63303c06a/1, there, there's your canonicity.

>>38048780
Good Job Anon.

>>38048885
thank you

>>38048436
She literally shoots flowers. Her danmaku are flowers. Her ability is to make flowers bloom.

>>38053012
Look you're gonna have to go to Japan and take it up with ZUN if you want to debate whether she's a flower yokai or just a yokai who happens to control flowers. In no other document (PMiSS, profiles, dialog) does it imply she is a flower yokai. She's a generic yokai.

>>38048377
You can't blame people for thinking she's one.

Yuuka has about the same ability as Lily, being able to make flowers bloom. She's just a super fairy.

>>38058381
> Super Fairy
Wouldn't thet make her a Fae or an Elf?

Either that or she could be a Youkai Fairy,I think those are a thing.

>>38058381
that can't be right, fairies are flying onaholes, and yuuka is not

>>38061804
she's a slow, lumbering onahole

>>38061587
>Youkai Fairy
So Luna is the closest to becoming like Yuuka

>>38061828
Every touhou character is an onahole

>>38061804
>fairies are flying onaholes, and yuuka is not
Well flowers are genitals, so that makes Yuuka the genital master.

>>38062952
dick lover rigth?

>>38064289
genital master of the four sexes (male, female, futa, and futa with balls)

>>38061804
Yuuka is one who turns you into the onahole

>>37933847
By destroying them with facts and logic

>>38064971
no such thing

>>38064971
Yuuka could probably create a flower dick for herself and peg you.

>>38061804
Heh, then you should come and peak on use during the night.

>>37897827

>>38048411
We don't. Just like we don't know what the fuck Yukari is

>>38080964
yukari is a gap hag
reimu is too