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Ano bad

Is there a 1-file zip of a fully working NC installation? Am on leeknoux so getting the game to run is a gamble in and out of itself, having to do installs over installs is more complications asking for things to break.

Also, just wanted to say Thank you to pastebin anon and the guy who keeps making the threads and all the regulars here, you guys are legends and I wish this game could get more recognition.

Elin... where
https://youtu.be/ZmdBiiXzjhM

What exactly are the conditions necessary to learn False Swipe?

>>34989800
>Is there a 1-file zip of a fully working NC installation?
Not yet. I made them for OOMSEST and custom, along with another anon that made his own. Will try and get them done sometime this week if work doesn't suck.

But, I have gone through and converted all the mod pastebin document links into ghostbins for double backup.
Also, I have l started working on finding all the Untranslated and "dummy" filler text in 2.04.

For reference, pulling all the calls of lang(), the function used to output text depending on JP or ENG, has 17K~ hits.
Looking for "untranslated" in those pops up "only" 900 hits.
But ano apparently hates me, and as an anon pointed out last thread there are other fillers.
These are the ones I have found so far
>"Huh" 200~ hits
>"Okay. Wait here." 32 hits
>"tester" 15 hits
> "Thanks, I appreciate what you've done. It won't be long before I can reward you" 14 hits
> "Please do not stop me!" 8 hits

I will keep working on finding them all, converting them to utf-8 for easy sharing if that causes issues, and then hosting them somewhere for any anons that want to take a crack at it.

>>34991438
Looks like it's progressing healthily. More recent alpha builds look good but I'm more interested in the "sequel to Elona" Noa says he wants to make after Elin.

>>34992360
Huh I thought he's quitting gamedev after elin

>>34992580
https://www.reddit.com/r/ElinsInn/comments/ltn2fk/will_there_be_early_access_on_steam/
He mentions it here. elin_cat is Noa.
Just discovered it but I'm pretty sure it's real.

>>34992619
huh interesting, guess I can finally throw away ano's fanfiction right into the garbage

>>34992775
Everything is canon, anon.

>>34992218
I remember hearing a while back that one of the artifact fusion quests had dialogue from a different quest or something, so watch out for that. Also, the cutscenes are in separate files: scene1.hsp for Japanese, and scene2.hsp for English. (Custom translates most of the cutscenes, and Custom-G machine translates the remaining ones.)

>>34993407
>I remember hearing a while back that one of the artifact fusion quests had dialogue from a different quest or something,
Did not know this so thanks for the warning.
Any anons know even a couple of words from the quest in question as currently is? Would make it super easy to hunt it down and add to the list of things that needs done.

Gonna share the entire lang() hit file as well, so any anons that don't want to translate but have better eyes than me might be able to point out filler I missed. I have each line paired with its decompiler code line number to make it easier to track back where things go.

The issue is for a lot of things ano has repeating lang values, one after the other. So it is entirely possible I THOUGHT something was natural and missed a goof. I will say for the sanity of everyone I am not trying to include "good enough" ano translations in the "needs translation" files because they seemed serviceable enough.

If I can find anyone crazy enough to help, or find a contracted translator that won't bankrupt me for what needs to be done, a fully translated 2.04 will likely show up before custom 2.01. Simply because just overwriting "Huh?" with the proper text, even if I had to do it by hand, is gonna be quicker than trawling through all 100k lines of diff to both move the new ano shit to 11 versions behind custom and then debug to make sure I haven't broken anything.

So sorry about that. I still intend to keep chugging along in my little free time as I can, but don't get your hopes up for a speedy release.

>>34992218
Some of the guild leader quest dialogue to kill the other leaders, as well as noel's dialogue is copy pasted as filler in some places too.

I also know the dialogue for when you use yaca's pp jewel has some untranslated dialogue if you keep using it during the same month.

There are also, sadly, a few were ano wised up and didn't include an english lang tag at all. I can't remember what they were though. You might be able to just hunt down every use of lang, then filter those down.

>>34991638
if in oomsest and beyond, it should be get to 15 tactics + level up. However it was changed from, IIRC 35, down to 15, so it's possible older versions of oomsest take longer.

>>34993912
>a few where ano wised up and didn't include an english tag
Might be mistaken, but that sounds like most the card data.
The structure is lang(japanese text, " ")
While seeing that I was shocked to find out there IS gameplay code for the cardgame left in there for a dumb magic knock off besides the colors. Attack, discard, and other commands exist and are translated. Just not connected to anything useful.

Likely gonna extract the langs from 1.90 and custom 1.90 to cut down on already translated stuff by diffing then hunting the comparable calls in 2.04

Finally managed to beat Zeome for the first time and I'm thinking of starting up a new character with some negative feats to start unlocking those trophies.
Any recommendations for which negative feats won't be too much of hindrance or group of negative feats that mesh well in a single playthrough?

>>34994445
Depends on your game plan. You should build your negative feats to force you to go with how you plan to win this time through.

For instance, the addiction feats basically mean you have half stats for the whole playthrough, but the no growth feat means you'll either have no stats, or rely solely on buffs/gear. (the level based feats and ether diseases do work, if you want to farm descent pots). So, if you pick the latter, you may as well pick all the other things that debuff your character, and go for a bellmancer run.

You can only pick 1 addiction feat per run, and there are a few other exclusive feats, that I can't remember. You see stuff disappear from the feat selection list as they exclude each other.

>>34994445
>>34994777

OH, and the last ~6 trophies are the real tough ones that you may need to build your whole run around. Say you go for no eating, you'll probably need to worship dorien the tipsies and get the pet for infinite milk, or the jewel to unlock succubus feeding.

>>34994777
>>34994804
I was debating between doing either a monotheist no-magic dwarf black smith or a innocent sex-addicted little sister pianist/prostitute. Couldn't quite decide between Dybony for skins or Opatos for ore on the dwarf since I'd be stuck with that god for the rest of the playthrough.
However are the addictions feat really that debilitating? I noticed the wiki mentioning the frustration debuff but I just assumed if I just indulged in whatever compulsion every other day it would be fine. Might be manageable if I made by little sister worship Dorien and just made my pets drunk enough for sex whenever I need to remove the frustration debuff.

>>34994950
Hmm, maybe if you change that to every hour you could manage it >.>.

You don't really get much xp from skins past lvl 5-10, and smiths (assuming recent race file) start with lvl 20 hammers. Opatos doesn't boost ores as much as you'd think either, since you can use autodig with animations off.

>>34992218
>Will try and get them done sometime this week if work doesn't suck.
Oh shit, looking forward to that.
Also would love to help with your translation quest, but sadly my knowledge of runes is abysmal.

Any Idea to how to solve this? I was using the map editor (medit) and found about his objects that I can't pick up to throw nor can remove them through other means. Please help me, Anon-senpais! Also the magical circle there is included!

>>34995750
What are you doing? Where are you? Why does fire not work?

>>34995817
>What are you doing?
I was using the map editor[1] application to create a custom version of the palace deed
>Where are you?
At home (the custom version of the palace).
>Why does fire not work?
Picture related.

[1] https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Map_editor

>>34995966
....I mean. You can just edit player properties with the house board. Or are you trying to have the palace always start with that layout?

You should be able to cast firewall inside even if it's raining. Or just stop the rain. Unless there's something else about fire in that pic?

>>34995817
nvm; I solve it!

>>34996031
>Or are you trying to have the palace always start with that layout?
Yes, this is the plan.
>You should be able to cast firewall inside even if it's raining. Or just stop the rain. Unless there's something else about fire in that pic?
My problem was related to this part mentioned here: "If an item can't be picked up, then in the list of map items there will be an "(n)" after the item number and before the item name (e.g., "1(n):long sword"). " The items exist, but they appear as empty entries in the item box. I was able to solve it by loading the map and right-clicking on the map; which filled the item box with the names of the items. Thank you for you time.

>>34994395
Good luck, anon! It'd be great if we could get proper translation for everything.

>>35004734
That's the hope. Currently debating (if I can't find someone familiar with plus to help) what all I would need to send to a contracted translator to keep things consistent.
Because names and made up terms are sure to get translated differently. Like how Bethel (dwells in vanity) can be translated as Vessel.

Might have to trawl the wiki for unique npc names.

>>35004819
>Like how Bethel (dwells in vanity) can be translated as Vessel.
Yeah, there's several things like that, like whether it's "Irva" or "Ylva", or what the tome at the end of Lesimas is called. Plus is inconsistent; Custom-G picks one option and rolls with it. And there's also semi-obscure stuff, like Rodlob being an inversion of Boldor from Angband.

Favorite fixedart weapon? I like the Slash Joker myself. It's the only weapon in the game with both Cut damage and decapitation.

Ok. I probably haven't found ALL the bad dummy text, but I have found quite a bit manually combing through all the lang mentions of the main decompiler code.

Next gonna diff the 1.90 vs 1.90 custom mentions to hopefully trim some of the old translated stuff out.
Then do the same for the scene files.

I am officially on the annoyed an ano train thanks to how bloody inconsistent he was with these filler phrases. Why couldn't he have just copied and pasted untranslated a thousand times rather that 12 fillers, copying actual translations from unrelated places and other shit. And best of all he seems to have skipped large portions of act 2 and 3 only to take and place translations for Tez and Enthumasis fights. Like, gee, would be nice if we had context before hand.
Or maybe we do and my eyes glazed over sifting this.

Either way I am one step closer to getting this sharable for people to tell me what all I missed so it is what it is.

>>35008450
>Why couldn't he have just copied and pasted untranslated a thousand times rather that 12 fillers, copying actual translations from unrelated places and other shit.
As I understand it, he'd copy the code for a dialog box from elsewhere in the source, then change everything but the English text. Personally, I would've made a blank template to fill out...
>Like, gee, would be nice if we had context before hand. Or maybe we do and my eyes glazed over sifting this.
I distinctly remember that at some point the library goddess gives you a ton of backstory that ends up as "Huh." like 20 times in a row, and that the exposition where you get the magic light thing to use against the chaos god is also gibberish. You also miss a lot of things without the cutscenes, of course.

>>35007875
>Favorite fixedart weapon?

Sealed Shield + Shield Tonfa. Have both of these in your hands (or hand + shoot) and you'll have a very high amount of null-damage and physical damage reduction regardless of armor. Add in a decent Attribute Shield buff and you'll be very tanky, able to apply double Fury for 4 times damage without fear on most things.

Pile Driver. It's a Polearm, so its gauge attack will stun, but it also hits really damn hard with 50% Pierce and added lightning damage, which makes it a good weapon to fight bosses with.

As for mobbing, Unicorn Drill. Chaos damage and Chaos Ball invoke means lots of crowd control with status effects and it absorbs stamina to boot. Though if you have pets around you might want to give it to one of them so the Chaos Ball procs don't piss off your pets.

If you're using swords instead. Storm Bringer has your back. It deals chaos damage for status effects, nether for healing, also drains MP, and gives magic resistance. It's an excellent weapon for survival; a PC wielding Storm Bringer and the Sealed Shield with the Shield Tonfa in the shoot slot will be really hard to wear down.

>>35007875
I like Shena's panty and the Kill Kill piano. Solely because they represent the insanity of this game well.

Are the only unique perks of the blacksmith guild the soda vendor and the smithing buff from the fairy?
Seems like a pretty lack luster bonus, considering you have to pay plat for the latter. Unless of course theirs something amazing in waiting once I reach rank 1 like it is with the other guilds?

>>35014017
The guilds in S. Tyris weren't fully complete before the original dev team fell apart. For example, you can find the remains of the bards guild in one of the cities.

There is one other reward NC added though, but it also requires same end game content (i think either a +1 hammer or a +7 hammer), and basically lets you buy the smithing xp buff for millions of turns.

It's possible NC will add more stuff in later.

>>35013962

The panty also has that timestop proc that can give you a breather during boss fights, while the piano deals chaos damage for those sweet paralysis/blind/confuse inflictions.

>>35015848
That's kind of a bummer.
Guess I'll try and find any abusable strategies that can be had with infinite sodas. If not I think I should settle with joining the fighters guild until future NC updates add more stuff (if they do) to the BS guild.

Anyone know a way of getting God hearts at around level 80? I looked on the wiki, but I can't beat the dog gods without cheating. Are there any enemies that I can farm that have a chance of dropping them?

>>35017192
If you get far enough in the quest, you're guaranteed to get one.

>>35008450
Love you, anon

Ok. It seems while I am here manually combing to learn how the code works in my free time to eventually automate it, a smarter man is working on automating the hell out of it already.

https://elona.fandom.com/f/p/3340109923483964385/r/4400000000000112175

If he gets something that works well enough to even manage half the code fixing I might be able to get customs out for people.
Then we could possibly have a fully translated AND custom'd elona+ in some reasonable form of time.

>>35021212
Though honestly, even if all it did was make the code somehow organized in a way that didn't make my eyes bleed and nothing else that would still a godsend.
Will still be working in the meantime since there is never a guarantee this will bare fruit, but gonna stay cautiously optimistic.

>>35021499
The way I'm planning to do it is this:
1. Most of the code is in functions, or goto/gosub labels that basically work like functions. Each one of these will be split off into its own file. (I checked, and HSP apparently does have #include functionality, although if it doesn't work for whatever reason I could just tack on a "Splice" button that recombines everything.)
2. The decompiler gives random names to function parameters and goto labels. Parameters can just be renamed after the function (e.g. "prm_262" -> "refchara_prm1"). For goto labels, the user can supply a plaintext "label file" containing proper label names accompanied by a bit of code belonging to each label to identify them. e.g.:
>cast_proc
>"You are going to over-cast the spell. Are you sure?"
3. After the code is split into separate files, you'd have a list of changes you'd want to make for each one (e.g. "refchara_prm1" -> "refchara_dbid"). The changes can be stored as lists of regex match/replace commands (in plaintext files, one regex file for each HSP file), which would all be executed when you click the "Customize" button.

What weapons have the most interesting gauge release actions? There doesn't seem to be much data on them anywhere. For example, the multihit from stave seems weaker than most others so I'm wondering about the math behind them now.

>>35022776
The multi-hit from staves are capped based on the enemy's max hp. So it's stronger... but only if you are weak and fighting up.

Most of them are in the special actions section on the wiki, but the interesting ones are mostly the gun ones that work based on ammo. I don't know if I'd value any of the other ones more than the weapon % and dice stats. The only exception I can think of atm is solar cane, since it's a stave that uses the laser sword gauge release.

How can I rise the fame value fast in a frame of three (in-game) months? I currently have 8800 and want to unlock the challenge quest as soon as possible. Also how to increase the rank and rarity of the museum?

>>35023024
Either pet arena or farming bandit ambushes, depending on pet strength or your strength.

For museum, shove it full of unique and/or high level npcs. Minimize dupes.

>>35022032
>parameters can just be renamed after the function
Just to make sure I understand, by using #include to "import" the separate functions you will be passing the original parameter value to the imported function and the renamed parameters will just be "local variables" (I know HSP is all globals) to that function in a sense correct?

Otherwise I am having a hard time wrapping my head around how it will correctly parameters correct. Since parameters are not exclusive to single functions from what I have seen.

Like for example your dbid could be used by ref_chara, making it ref_chara_dbid. But if that same variable is used as a parameter to ref_skill would the name be overwritten?

>>35026719
>Just to make sure I understand, by using #include to "import" the separate functions you will be passing the original parameter value to the imported function and the renamed parameters will just be "local variables" (I know HSP is all globals) to that function in a sense correct?
I'm assuming that #include inserts the text of the included file. Like I said, if it actually does something weird and not useful in HSP, I can just add a fourth button and handle that part myself.
>Otherwise I am having a hard time wrapping my head around how it will correctly parameters correct. Since parameters are not exclusive to single functions from what I have seen.
Decompiled code uses randomly-generated parameter names:
>#defcfunc refchara int prm_262, int prm_263, int prm_264
That would automatically be changed to:
>#defcfunc refchara int refchara_prm1, int refchara_prm2, int refchara_prm3
Afterwards, it could easily be changed to:
>#defcfunc refchara int refchara_dbid, int refchara_dbspec, int refchara_charid
prm_262-264 are not used outside of refchara(). HSP is a bit backwards, but I don't think it's quite THAT backwards. Function parameters are not used outside of the function as far as I can tell.
>Like for example your dbid could be used by ref_chara, making it ref_chara_dbid. But if that same variable is used as a parameter to ref_skill would the name be overwritten?
I'm just renaming the function parameter, not messing with the global variable "dbid" set by the function parameter.

>>35027467
Ah, it seems work and sleep deprivation are getting to me. I was confusing the actual randomly generated prm that appear first in the function definitions with other shit.

That makes much more sense and increases readability with the right user lables. Sorry for that absolutely retarded questions. And again, thanks for bothering to work on making a tool like this at all.

>>35028668
No problem dude

h-hi...

Is there an easy way to uncurse shit early game in omake? I forgot to take exorcist, got cursed twice in a single dream and then once more. I don't have any uncurse rods/scrolls and haven't seen NPCs stocking them either. Also, how do you uncurse an NPC? Because I noticed that was still a thing, unlike in Plus, and it's awful.
>>34994804
>succubus feeding.
What's that? Sounds interesting

Is throwing bad? im having trouble hitting some enemies in a lvl 9 dungeon and i have 30 throwing. Also are grenades worth? they seemed pretty strong on lower levels but now im not sure, also does the damage roll actually affect the grenade explosion?

>>35033672
>Is throwing bad?
Don't think so. You have Tactics? Enhance the weapon? Assuming you're on Plus, do you have claws equipped?
>does the damage roll actually affect the grenade explosion?
The explosion is an Invoke, so the only thing that affects it is your Throwing skill.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Invoke

What are the most important skills to try to keep the potential high for? ie, ones you're not actively trying to powerlevel all at once.

Isn't Zero Shoot way too powerful? It's like I'm dishing out gauge releases every turn.

is it possible to hide the cloak model?

>>35035960
Use (t) on any dresser piece of furniture.

>>35030690
>"I am going to abandon you."

>>35034285
these may not be the "best" ones, but I'd personally keep weight lifting, traveling, and arguably swimming high. also, I'm assuming + and not OO.

weight lifting should always be training, and it trains slow, but ensures you can actually carry that bathtub for that one quest
traveling is just free training. it also levels fairly slowly, even if you do silly things like walk around in circles for a month and a half. also, it trains speed.
swimming trains very slowly, especially if you do a lot of dungeon diving, and doesn't train at all if you have a magaqua equipped. still, if you get the mutation that makes clouds follow you, you should be benefiting from this skill most of the time. also, it trains speed.

>>35037097
>also, I'm assuming + and not OO
+ for now, I keep going back and forth. OO has some really cool abilities and feats but it feels so punishing and grindy compared to +. The plat costs to learning new skills are nuts, + just gives you them basically for free. As somebody new to the game I feel like + is probably gonna let me experiment more.

Thanks for the advice!

So...
About that one-file installation of NC...

>>35037097
What about Stealth?

>>35031962
>how do you uncurse an NPC?
Give them a scroll of un/remove curse
>Is there an easy way to uncurse shit early game in omake?
The scrolls and rod are plenty in puppy cave and vendors. Using scroll of inferior material to turn your cursed equipments edible also works.

>>35041733
In plus, stealth starts to fall apart by the end of act 1. This is because there is a constant boost to stealth based on distance to target, but enemies start to out level that constant, and after a certain point everything is aware of where you are after only a few moves.

Plus, awakened dungeons usually fire off an alarm to attract attention to you.

>>35041598
What does the acronym "NC" mean?

>>35044822
Nasuko custom

>>35045054
>https://mega.nz/file/iJ0nSC6b#vS0bH0i0Ulp04K_dJnZyHVbcTkHAINszdB4SWFxJDPY
Includes beautify, costume config settings (changed the font to "DejaVu Sans Mono" and its size to -1, changed the resolution to 1248x760).
>https://mega.nz/file/rRlHgCbT#6ZU4kcI7V5FI6mIOIbOt8BjVa0jYs-DViyF_GDnvqWw
Same as above but with the music folder.

I have not played oomSEST; so I do not know if everything works fine.

>>35045860
Ah, before I forget! The music folder was copied from the custom-G version of elona+, so I don't know if there is an incompatibility between it and the OMSESTepNC version.

>>35042130
>Using scroll of inferior material to turn your cursed equipments edible also works.
Nice, good to know.

>>35045860
Thank you anon, but as expected my Arch install just isnt very friendly to vidya, especially obscure moon ones.
Oh well, I will have to survive without elona for a little longer.

>>35045860
Pastebin anon here. Looks like you beat me to it. Mind if I add the link as an easy install option?

>>35047401
To be fair, how are you trying to run it? Even on windows most versions of elona require windows 7 compatability. So maybe a VM of windows 7 would be best.

Also NC itself has some issues I read about. Like needing to run the old exes in a certain order before playing to avoid random crashes.

>>35047401
What is your problem specifically? I am playing Elona+ on Arch Linux and everything works perfectly. I could write up a step-by-step guide to run the game if you want to. I already posted a post here about it a while ago—if you had not seen it.

>>35047772
Of course not, but they need some cleaning; I will do it tomorrow if you do not mind waiting.

>>35047817
Pastebin anon again.
I don't mind waiting.
I would also like that guide to add to the guides section of the pastebin if you don't mind.

>>35048060
>https://mega.nz/folder/6ZUW2B6D#4X3IscbOKfz7WnVKr-hg_g
1- The clean version contains the base requirements to run OOMSESTepNC, which means no modifications are included.
2- The beautify version contains the mods that were included in Elona oomSEST.

To make sure everything was going well, I finished the first chapter, which ran smoothly without any problem. I still don't know what the first two entries in the status menu mean (bottom left) - I'm assuming the first entry is for insanity, but the second is ambiguous... well there's a lot of settings to go through and time is kinda limited, but regardless of this, there are many great QoLs that I loved.

>I would also like that guide to add to the guides section of the pastebin if you don't mind.
Sure, no problem. I will work on it when I wake up.

>>35049258
decided to give this a shot, but, uh, can't even seem to launch it. crashes on launch. says it can't even find the title card for some reason. I'm guessing it's because it's looking in the wrong place due to adding an extra \ for some odd reason
>OOMSESTepNC\elona\\graphic\title.bmp
running it on win10. tried running it in compatibility mode to no avail

>>35047817
>I already posted a post here about it a while ago—if you had not seen it.
Would definitely appreciate that guide, thanks.

>>35049883
••• enable the multilib[1] in /etc/pacman.conf file
#uncomment the hash (#) sign in the next two lines:
#[multilib]
#Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist

••• upgrade the system
sudo pacman -Syu
Note: You do not need to type/press yes/enter if you don't want to install the new upgradable packages.

••• Install wine[2]
sudo pacman -S wine-staging wine-gecko wine-mono winetricks

••• Create a new 32-bit prefix without running a Windows program or other GUI tool
WINEARCH=win32 WINEPREFIX=~/.win32 wineboot -u

••• Now you can either download the game inside the newly created win32 prefix or in your home directory, for example:
/home/username/Games/Elona/OOMSESTepNC/OOMSESTepNC/elona
/home/username/.win32/drive_c/Program\ Files/Elona/OOMSESTepNC/elona
NOTE: Change the "username" to your username.

••• Change the directory to one of the approaches stated above and run the game using, as an example using .win32 directory
cd /home/yiazmate/.win32/drive_c/Program\ Files/Elona/OOMSESTepNC/elona [enter]
WINEPREFIX=~/.win32 wine oomSESTep_NC.exe [enter]

For more information:
[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Multilib#multilib
[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine

That's all you need to run the game without mp3 support, try it and report the result please. I will rewrite what is posted here in more detail in the future, and will also add other useful stuffs.

>>35051615
>>/jp/thread/S34672988#p34729752
In the second approach, you do not need to install anything using winetricks.

I played NC with steamplay/proton on ubuntu without any issues and it was very simple to set up.

>>35054312
>ubuntu
Dude, at least use Xubuntu or something. Vanilla Ubuntu spies on you.

>>35054312
>>35058139
>not using debian

>>35052346
Ok, Added the link to the NC easy setup mega you made to the main ghostbin, and copied this guide to a ghostbin and added it to guides with a mention at the top of the main bin.

https://ghostbin.co/paste/7vz44

NC still has no info about it in the bins because I haven't bothered to google translate the html guide yet to get an idea of a summary.

Unrelated, realized my previous method of grabbing the text data from 2.04 was lazy and miserable to actually make it easy for anons to try and help OR give to a professional. So I am saving what I have as a back up, but going to write a better script to take the lang() calls and treat the JP ENG values inside as tuples. Filter all the unique JP values so I don't grab Ano's 5 thousand copy pastes, and save them to their own dedicated file. Still not the best method, but comparatively much more efficient and useful.

>>35052346
Havent gotten around to run the sounds part, but the decompression of the files kept having a hickup when meeting a single file in particular.
Turns out that it was just a fonts problem that I fixed by installing: ttf-hanazono and adobe-source-han-sans-jp-fonts. The first is a kanji font, the other is just a regular characters one. I don't know if one or the other fixes it, but I installed both at the same time and the problem is fixed.
Now I will follow your instructions to get the sound running and all will be great.

>>35059377
NC adds a ton of new things, the main things are post void content where once you reach void depth 1000 you unlock a title that uncaps the attribute and skill limits from 2k to 99k. It also adds a new void type dungeon where the enemies will scale according to those raised stats. I know speed can go up to 20mil, idk about the other stats.
It also adds fairy resort which allows you to make your own continent, from designing how the world looks, to building your own towns by using deeds of storage.
There's also a few new spells that come with the fairy resort as well as horse racing which I haven't tried at all.
There's an orchard system where you can crossbreed trees to get higher quality ones, even trees that give books of harvest eventually. I think it works similarly to the minecraft mod AgriCraft but I haven't tried it personally so I'm not sure.

There's a lot of other additions, but I think those are probably the biggest. ​If someone wants to start playing an elona fork that isn't plus, there's no reason not to start with NC.
And while plus might have more qol compared to omake or oom, NC is very close behind if not slightly ahead and it's fully translated. Mostly because it doesn't add any story.
I don't know if this helps, but whatever

For those trying to get elona on wine, there's also this guide on the wiki as a reference: https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Biting_Chicken/Running_Elona_via_Wine

>>35052346
you replied to me with a linux guide lol. I'm not the one attempting to run it via linux. I've got win10. am I supposed to follow these linux instructions despite not running linux anyway?

>>35065355
I'm gonna send up my easy install using some "trouble shooting" steps from the discord in an hour. Since some crashes are caused by not running the exes in a certain order or overwriting files from other vanilla installs.

Also gonna set up a "build yourself windows" link since another dude from there made a .bat file which takes the 6 zip files and does all but 2 steps for you.

>>35064275
It helps anon. Thanks for the key points.

>>35065355
The solution is the very first line of the pasta
>>34984622

>>35065355
>>34984622
>>Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to Windows 7.
Pretty easy to overlook,but the solution is right there

>>35066295
>>35049883
>tried running it in compatibility mode to no avail

>>35066186
I thought the point of the easy install/pre-built was to bypass complications like running exes in the right order. even so, I tried running the exes in order and each one caused a crash lol. closer to vanilla it crashed because of the added files, closer to NC it crashed because it couldn't find the title card. and btw, yes, the title card is there in the folder specified, so I think it has something to do with that extra backslash. it's looking here (elona\\graphic\title.bmp) for the title card, which has one backslash too many

>>35066495
I meant I am gonna run and extract things before zipping to hopefully cut out the middle man

>>35066495
https://mega.nz/file/xLg2xRRJ#nO0SSjD5csKNWi0Mpl_uwZypEFF5SmZAt8fqG8prifU

Easy NC, with the apparently extra bit of work to add the extra new classes from the latest Omake Overhaul. I tested it on my windows 10 and made a character with no crashes.

>>34984622
>>35064275
Slower character growth in comparison to E+, though somewhat faster compared to Vanilla
One act, same as vanilla Elona
Normal enemies that go up to level 50 (scaling enemies go higher almost indefinitely)
There are void balls which can be used to capture pets in the void and they retain their levels and stats
Post void content where once you reach void depth 1000 you unlock a title that uncaps the attribute and skill limits from 2k to 99k.
Adds a new void type dungeon where the enemies will scale according to those raised stats, for example speed being able to reach 20 million.
More random quests and random encounters with various NPCs
Monsters of different types fight against each other
Improved random dungeons with gimmicks, like a dungeon type where NPCs of different religions will kill each other
NPC adventurers are far more significant. They appear occasionally in dungeons and have much stronger equipment than in vanilla or E+. Eventually a rival adventurer will arrive who becomes more powerful every time she is defeated
Learning skills is slow and expensive and you're better off not learning skills that won't be useful to your build
You can found your own town and recruit NPCs to live in it.
Adds the fairy resort which allows you to make your own continent, from designing how the world looks, to building your own towns by using deeds of storage.
Orchard system where you can crossbreed trees to get higher quality ones, even trees that give books of harvest eventually.
Grindy and powerful equipment crafting system
A ton of new, powerful feats for different character builds. Many underpowered feats have also been buffed
Extremely powerful spellmaking system available to members of the mage guild
Food can be blessed by the gods, and this is the best source of potential growth, as well as a good way to raise speed. It allows low level pets to remain viable throughout the game
Balance favors weapons and magic. Ranged weapons are better than in vanilla and E+. Martial arts are usable but you're putting in extra work for inferior results

Any NC players mind giving me ideas how to edit this? Literally just took my oomSest description from the faq and added those tidbits

>>35067749
ayyy it worked like a charm. thanks m8! I'll give it a run through after I try out E+1 (someone posted a backup 2.03 on the elona subreddit). guessing from what 35067954's saying that I can't just wander around treating the game like a wacky life-sim like I do in elona+ can I lol

>>35067954
>Eventually a rival adventurer will arrive who becomes more powerful every time she is defeated
The adventurer Young Lady? I splatted her so many times but she only gain levels when respawned, no stats or skill increase at all. Is it supposed to work that way?

>>35067749
Is this file different from these? >>35045860

>>35064952
Honestly that guide is trash. It might help if you're on Ubuntu with an install capable of running most games, but the guide from >>35052346 worked perfectly.

>>35069784
35045860's file contains a version that has beautify, 35067749's does not. also, 7749's works out of the box for me.

question, the blogpost listed in the mods ghostbin for portraits (scrapiuna) states that the large face sheet works for omake and such, as they support large portraits, but also says there might need to be an option turned on to get that to work. since NC is based on OO, which supports this, does NC also support large face sheets? and if so, how do I enable it? I can't seem to find a setting menu for it. worst case scenario I could just downscale it, I suppose

"Caution! While the skill bonus is 100 or more, you cannot get new."
What does this mean?

>>35070186
If you're playing Plus, it's probably Ano's well-thought and carefully-considered rebalance where you can only store up to 100 bonus skill points and any more you gain are wasted.

>>35070186
it means you lost skill points into the ether, because you are hard capped. Just plus things.

>>35069784
That guide doesn't support Japanese language (it still shows up in username voting and moongates) or sound.

Would this be considered cheating if I had removed the time limit from the satellite shooter gemstone?

Soooo.... errr....
I picked the hypersexual trait for fun but I underestimated how fast frustration builds up, and turns out that you cant fuck your pets if they are drunk...
Is there an easier way of handling it or should I just quit while am still ahead?

>>35070598
You just need to marry your pets for that, them being drunk doesn't matter. If you worship dorien the tipsies, both the pet and the jewel give you a work around to the requirements though.

But.... you'll probably have frustration the whole run. I've heard people complain the frustration increases faster than their stamina regen. There's always soda of course, but still...

>>35070698
Where can I read more on Dorein? I cant find anything in the wiki.

>>35071261
>decide to try Dorien
>sitting afk getting hit by putits in the shelter
>the two NPCs get drunk, start fighting, and one of them kills the other
>instantly ended up with 3 godly items

Ooookay...

>>35071261
>>35071348
Dorien's currently only described in the .html that ships with nc. But you can press 'P' for a summary of your current active god. Dorien's passive is "everyone gets drunk", btw.

>>35070302
>>35070346
Just decompiled the exe and discovered that maximum magic points and platinum coins are also limited. Sasuga, Ano. Is there any other brilliant balance changes?
The last time I played elona was about a year ago, and it was Custom-G by the way.

>>35070417
Depending on what you're using it for. I'm using it for panic, low level dungeons and hunting missions; It saves a lot of time and helps to get pps quickly. Nice to see other fellow cheaters.

>>34984622
the drive link on the wiki to download the latest elona+ is dead

>>35074426
are you talking about the ">latest elona+" link in the OP? that's the wrong link, OP forgot to change it. check the ghostbin links, the links in there (including the direct link to the drive) are correct and functioning. or, better yet, just go to the wiki's front page and click on the current version. current version is 2.04

>>35072714
>Martial Arts stops scaling at 650. Because people weren't playing the game the correct way, and buffing every other form of combat just wasn't enough.
>The game now has "training days" for specific skills. The player is rewarded for compliance with weekly piles of godly artifacts.
>You can now clean your waifu's ears and collect piles of her earwax. You can also repeatedly gouge out the eardrums of random NPCs to kill them, and they'll never turn hostile while you do so.

>>35075069
thx

>>35075512
jesus christ. I knew about the earwax thing because I saw the recent changelog while looking for backup copies and just figured it was another one of ano's weird fetishes, like the pee thing. figured I'd just pretend the ear wax function didn't exist. didn't know about those other "balance" changes.

>people weren't playing the game the correct way

ah yes, the "correct" way to play a wacky-life-sim-cum-roguelike singleplayer game.

here's to hoping custom G's next update can grant some sanity to 2.04

>>35078841
To be fair, Japan as a whole has a weird thing about ear cleaning being a loving/lewd act. Why the hell that is the case i couldn't tell ya.

>>34995104
>since you can use autodig with animations off.
How can I do this?

>>35082089

'H', to enable autodig. For animations, they're disabled normally.

Anyone have a link to a collection of はるさめ's artwork?

>>35075512

To be fair, assassinating people by innocent ear-gouging is greatly fitting for the tone of the game.

>>35087106
check danbooru

>>35082372
>For animations, they're disabled normally.
Excuse the retardation, but how are they disabled normally?

>>35089835
Esc ->Setting-> game setting-> anime wait: 0

You can also reduce attacking and walking times there.
If you want to decrease the wait between key presses it's in:
.... -> ex setting 7 (st) -> operation wait

I don't recommend setting operation wait too low, it'll make it hard to control. 10-20 should be plenty.

>>35090242
I read something somewhere about Fishing exp being tied to animation speed. Is this correct?

>>35090296
That's a plus thing, in plus if you have the fishing lure you get less xp per cast. But you cast faster so it's probably still worth it.

In oomsest and beyond, you can just turn off fishing animation in the settings and still get full xp.

That's an interesting name for an engagement ring, but we all have our ideal waifu.

>>35090296
>>35090606
isn't that because the super lure causes fishing to complete in one turn, and not because it disables animations? I don't think anything is tied to animations, animations just show that turns are passing

>>35075512
>The game now has "training days" for specific skills. The player is rewarded for compliance with weekly piles of godly artifacts.
Huh, what are the specifics of this? How do I get these artifacts

Can a nip speaker tell me what these feats do, please? Dont want to pick one and waste a feat on it only to never realize what it does.
Especially the Hero and Spiritual Seal ones.

>>35091445
looking at the 1.995 changelog, it's the "destiny" thing. when you accumulate enough skill experience (including pets and traveling skill), you get a letter. since training days triple xp gain, it triples letter generation.
clearing a nefia grants another
sleeping 3 times grants another
when you have all 7 letters (destiny), upon entering a new floor of a nefia, 3 godly artifacts will spawn on tiles with gold pieces. dunno if that means 3 on every tile with gold (so potentially way more than 3). says that grabbing all the artifacts and clearing the nefia will cause the trigger to proc again and give debris. not sure what that means

>>35090743
No, the code in plus checks if you are using a super lure, and divides your xp if true. It has nothing to do with the animation itself, just a straight up ano nerf.


>>35092777

Just open sestnc.html in chrome, it auto-translates.

Minor notes:

The angler one is a bit confusing if you've never caught a river lord fish, but it just gives bonus xp when you do.

carpenter -> need fewer mats

animal friendship: doesn't work in story dungeons, unless you summon the animals in. This was probably to avoid making the main quest-line easier.

sealing spirits: works like elemental damage except it only procs on that faction (ghosts/zombies/etc) and is non-resisted by normal means. All other faction/race-type damages work the same, ie damage to gods/undead/humans/etc.

>Something shot the nuclear artillery
Wow, some unseen monster just one-shot all of my pets and cut my health by more than half, what just happened? What monsters even have access to nuclear artillery anyways, and where do I get one?
>>35092848
So complicated
Well I sometimes do find the 3 godly equipments randomly in nephias so I guess I'm doing something right

>>35094548
It happened again! Turns out it's a pigeon called a "peace maker"
Too bad it nukes itself to death too. I wonder if as a pet you can level it enough to survive its own nuke?

>>35094765
>A dove named peace maker launching nukes.
This is why I love this game.

>>35094765
>I am a bird of peace. Whenever I launch my nukes, peace follows.

I've heard that there's hope for life from Custom in the future. Is it true?

it's out
http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-38.html

>>35096512
>no matter speed you can only move 5 times as fast as an enemy and vice versa
Speed officially worthless

>>35097722
grassdancerbros...
it's over..

>>35097722
Nice

>>35097722
>Speed officially worthless

>>35097722
Is it really Elona without the dbz-tier speed scaling?

>>35093738
Carpenter only reduces deed prices. One of the most useless feats you can get. I tried it with rods of wish and they cost the same amount of materials but deeds are clearly discounted.

What's the best way to center the game window in Windows 10? It doesn't have anything I can grab to move it around on my desktop.

>>35097722
Wow, why is Ano so shit?
Man I wish someone could port E+'s new monsters and story and NPCs to oomest

>>35102987
Roguelike developers in general tend to get shittier and more autistic over time.
Once an obsession with the "correct" way to play takes root, options will be inexorably constrained over time until the game is completely unplayable.
The game will be optimized such that the only viable path is incredibly boring, blatantly unbalanced, and only comprehensible to the deformed mind of the man who created it.

>>35097722

Is he trying to make people hack the executable to remove this cancer? Because this is how you get people using the other guy's mod and not yours.

>>34984622
>Fun fact.
>The top 10 filler phrases used by Ano when he can't bother to translate his game are:
>('"Sorry, this is untranslated sentence."', 891), ('"Huh."', 180), ('"aaaaaaa"', 127), ('"EV"', 105), ('"So you are also of the same genus as the others..."', 71), ('"I think not."', 46), ('"Woah!"', 32), ('""', 27), ('name(cc) + " cut" + _s(cc) + " " + name(tc) + your(tc) + " head and"', 27), ('"Okay. Wait here."', 25)

Well, despite Ano continually trying to burn down his own game I officially have better progress on grabbing the "wrong" text.
Isolated all the lang() calls, then split them into their JP|Eng counterparts, from there extracted all unique JP text instances so I didn't have to deal with Ano's compulsion to copy paste fucking everything instead of making variables.
Then did a "dumb" method of locating every ENG text value that repeated, since the file was all unique JP text so something was obviously screwy.

I still am making a script to compare older custom versions text and replace what has already been translated, but even without that this trimmed the "untranslated"/dubious lines to around 3k~

>>35097722
just went from "hopefully custom G can restore sanity to E+" to "maybe we shouldn't port up to the current version"

man I just want some overland vehicles, why do you have to break everything else in the process

>>35097722
God damn, I thought he couldn't possibly fuck up speed more.

Am I supposed to savescum an extreme amount when grinding smithing in NC?
Is there no better way?

>>35111077
If you're failing a bunch you probably are using items that are too expensive, are really early game, or just need more constitution.

For early game, say the first 5-10 levels, you can select items/furniture and fuse monster parts onto them. This never fails.

Past that you will need to switch to gems to make progress, but you can just use the cheapest gem that gives xp to make progress with lowest chance of failure. As your constitution and hammer levels increase your chance of failure goes down. oomsest had master hammers never fail, but in nc you need a lvl100+ hammer for 100% success rate.

>>35111184
Welp, that's where I messed up.
I have mining so I crawled through dungeons and gave everything to opatos but left diamonds to craft with.

Also, if I may ask a retarded questions: If I kill a named NPC for their card/figurine in party time quests, do I suffer any longterm consequence?
Will they hate me forever or something?

>>35111427
Party times are free for alls with no long term side effects, go crazy.

>>35111427
Oh btw, the smithing wiki entry has a good chart to use for gems vs levels: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410211229081272330/473655497657155614/Smithing.png

It's not up to date on gold bars or mana/earth/blah crystals, but it's value based so you can do your own comparisons.

Sorry for my constant NC questions, but I have another one.
I got myself a wiznerd pet but she only casts her nerve spell in melee range. Is it actually melee ranged or do I need to play around with the AI settings? That shit looks complicated desu.

>>35116131

You should just need to set the preferred range farther away, IIRC. Nerve arrow is a ranged dart spell. Unless she is casting enchant nerve, which is a melee buff.

Turns out that I had to max the AI distance. It was set at 1 for some reason.

>>34992360
>progressing healthily
>still not released after years

>>35122327
Progressing healthily lately, not implying it always did. And "healthily" can just mean any progress at all for a game made by a single person as far as I'm concerned.

What are the profitable cargo roads for NC? Am broke as fuck and I need to make some shekels.

Custom for 2.0X when....
Also, are the tones in the pastebin all that there is?

>>35129211
when we're on 2.2x

Any way to get the game running at 1080p?

Ways to keep stat potentials up other than potential potions? I'm sick of playing vendor RNG just to actually progress. I have cooking pets but it's not making a huge difference, and I haven't managed to find a happy bed.

>>35131016
baskets

>>35131060
Forgot about those, thanks. Is there a reliable way to get a BBQ set other than pickpocketing from a party quest or wishing? I need a cooking tool that isn't shit, I didn't start with pickpocketing and I have to go through some thief's guild bullshit to learn it.

>>35131177
No reliable way, unfortunately, this is why you either start as a thief or take pickpocket as your special skill.
You can just teleport/kill the watchman to get into the guild, and use a disguise kit to get the skill off the trainer.
The food makers and food processors in towns are good enough until you get a BBQ set, and furniture vendors stock them reliably.

You'll want to get cooking to 100 or 200 for double/triple meals to really kick basket production into gear.

>>35131206
>You can just teleport/kill the watchman to get into the guild, and use a disguise kit to get the skill off the trainer.
I thought of doing that, but wiki says
>As of version 1.39, Guild Leaders will no longer be tricked by using Incognito. If the player enters the guild without permission, the leader will attack as soon as they are in the area.
Or is a disguise kit a different effect than a scroll of incognito?

Also, if baskets are just an Elona+ thing, does Omake have anything similar? Not that I'm playing it at the moment, but I'm curious. Is that one just purely waiting for pots of potential?

>>35131238
The leader will attack you, but you can still interact with everyone else.
I think omake is all about blessed foods

>>35131177
>Is there a reliable way to get a BBQ set other than pickpocketing from a party quest or wishing?

Nope. You'll have to steal it.

>>35131206
>You'll want to get cooking to 100 or 200 for double/triple meals to really kick basket production into gear.

And a ranch so you can at least have a steady supply of eggs. Also works for meat, but killing things in the wilderness or the Puppy Cave works for meat too, so eh.

>>35131238
>Or is a disguise kit a different effect than a scroll of incognito?

Take a few rods of teleport and either a disguise kit or the Incognito spell with you. Teleport away the guard, enter, apply disguise, and start looking for the trainer who will be fooled by your disguise. If the Guild leader gets too close to you use a rod of teleport on him.

>>35131261
>>35131959
Got the BBQ set, now I'm just collecting baskets so I can make a big basket. Is there any way to increase egg output? I set a chicken to breed.

South Tyris is bulling me send help

>>35132869

Here ya go, a lucky ring.

>>35132718
>Is there any way to increase egg output?
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Big_brush#Inheritable_traits_of_ranch_monsters

>>35133287

>>35132869
>bulling me
Make sure to give your waifu anti-impregnation equipment.

>>35132869
>>35133413
I think I've beaten like 2 of the bosses in that main dungeon. I play elona on and off so its been like 5 months since I last played. I recall one was a computer or something and kept shitting on me. What I really need is better resists for my pets.

>>35130737
nope. you're gonna just have to live with windowed mode. iirc, the biggest you can set it to without getting some weirdness is 1440x808. this resolution ensures all squares that are visible are fully visible, none are cut in half or something.

>>34984622
nigger, how tf do we marry in this game?

>>35132718
>Is there any way to increase egg output?

Other than unnatural selection, you can go build more ranches.

>>34984622
Where the FUCK do I buy poison and/or acid. Need to get rid of the aliens but I can't find any direction on where to actually get the poison to kill it.

>>35137128
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Shops#Magic_Shop
Dye is also poisonous if they have it.

>>35137228
Haven't been able to find a magic shop that stocks it yet.

>>35137370
Dye also works.

>>35137128
>Need to get rid of the aliens

Forcing vomiting also works, so you can go get some cursed ale and drink it.

Is there any way to enable quick load in 1.9.0 without having to use wizard mode? I'd rather not have to restart the whole game every time something goes wrong

>>35141907
if you're using custom G, in the pause menu you should see a button for turning on various tweaks. what you're looking for is "reenable savescumming". keep in mind that when you turn this on, you no longer get autosaves. but you do gain the f2 button to reload. not a perfect solution, but eh.

>speed nerfs giving pets 5x damage and 1/5th damage recieved
>having your speed be 1/5th of theirs means they effectively move at the same speed as everything else.
Petchads.. we won.

Pastebin anon.
I have a script that substitutes most of the text translated from custom to latest version, and was ready to push it out to everyone until I can get the rest machine translated via DeepL and eventually a human by sharing the files.

One fucking issue.
The decompiler is either bugged or Ano can successful compile bad code.

When my code wouldn't compile I decided to test the straight decompiler output. It won't compile either because it is complaining about a '}' outside of a if block.

Looking at the line it says in notepad++ that closing curly brace matches the if block opening. But inside that big nested if else chain is an else{} that is empty with some code behind it.

Deleting the line mentioned in the error compiles. Deleting the empty else also compiles. So I am gonna have to find out what this block does before I can decide what is safe to remove since both cases you CAN start the game, make a character, and run around.

>>35154699
Ok, since it seems to be in the chip drawing code I don't THINK it will be immediately game breaking if I have this wrong.

Any anons on 2.05 wanna play test elona+ english patch before I dive back into finishing translation and crawling through porting the important shit from custom?

>go to sleep
>"You sweats"
>"You shivers"

W-what the fuck is going on????

>>35158999
Nightmares anon

>>35158999
Unless I'm mistaken, you could have lost some res from previously eaten corpses. This happens during sleep.

>>35159108
So resistances from corpses arent permanent?

>>35164064
They are permanent but it's possible to wake up with a slight loss from time to time with flavor text indicating it happened. I think it's tied to your luck stat so late game characters will rarely experience this and will likely have a few ranches with readily available fairies and other snacks anyway.

>>35154699
I feel bad for making a post with no real contribution but just want you to know I really appreciate what you're doing.

>playing NC
>painstakingly farming plats
>read up that if you ride a wyrm or dragon pet, they can use their breath attack while you're riding them
>farm the shit out of the game trying to get enough plats for my riding skill
>invest enough shekels (that I painstakingly farmed) in shops to get a high enough ball to capture one
>realize that I dont have enough charisma to get another pet, and that all my pets are god ones right now and I dont want to miss on one of them
>so painstakingly farm enough charisma food to get 5 more points
>finally can ride my dragon waifu and make my dragon-rider fantasy a reality
>enter the first dungeon with just the dragon and I to test it
>somehow I cant hit anything
>look at my character sheet and find that I have a grand total of -10% to hit chance
>turns out that using a heavy weapon and heavy gear gives you a massive hit chance penalty
>am running around in 60s of equipment

Fuck me... what now? I am EXTREMELY disappointed.

>>35165765
Flying scrolls? Light weapons? Don't dual wield? Become a mage?

>>35166474
Am just gonna fuck my pet and restart with a new character.
New character: Dancing whore who can still ride dragons.

>>35166670
>Dancing whore who can still ride dragons.
yeah , this is hentai

>>35166670
I think it's easier to play as a prostitute who rides a little girl around, anon.

https://github.com/air1068/ElonaCustomizer

>>35129211
>Custom for 2.0X when....
That's next on the agenda now that Elona Customizer is out.

>>35175800
If this is Sable/Custom G dude thanks for this.

Been working on translating grabbing the lang calls for community/DeepL translation. Definitely gonna make use of this thing when I get back to trying to figure out custom.

Hopefully can get a handle on it quick and maybe be able to maintain that so you can do G like you mentioned on the wiki

>>35158390
>playing E+2.05
No way, keep it on 2.04 instead, 2.05 has bullshit speed changes

>>35177637
Hell. I have 2.04 as well and WAS using it before ano dropped 2.05 on me.
If going back a version will get people to test it then I'll do it.

>>35177637
2.05 also has yet another bullshit anti-savescumming feature (jesus christ ano just let people play the game how they want). 2.02 and 2.01 also have some bullshit speed debuffs, and 1.92 basically implemented a less restricted version of the 2.05 debuff. going to any 2.0X version's gonna result in introducing bullshit. but custom can always disable those things when it port forwards like it did with thirst and the rare loot trigger, it can just disable the 1.92/2.02/2.03/2.05 bullshit as well

I personally dislike the earwax stuff

>>35179024
At least Ano doesn't force you to do it.
... right?

>>35180053
inb4 E+ 2.06 adds an ear clogged status effect that gives you + sound resist but lowers charisma and has a chance of making you sick
so you have to get your ears cleaned every once in a while, just like how you have to eat, drink, and sleep

>>35178104
The speed nerfs are weird, but I agree that speed needed nerfing and I'm not sure how I'd have done it better.
I really don't get why someone would want to savescum, it's probably one of the least enjoyable ways to play ANY game.

>>35180979
Ano log in I know it's you

>>35181000
but ano doesn't speak english
at all

Don't we just need 1.90.4 Custom with the end of the story ported somehow?

>>35180979
I get where you're coming from, but it's really a matter of opinion. some people don't like not being able to redo something if they made a mistake. and of course with rng it's not always because of "mistakes" that people savescum, but still. where would xcom be without the savescum memes? sure, many would argue that living with the consequences of missing a 95% shot is part of the fun, but many others think getting wiped and most likely losing the game because RNGesus said "no" isn't very fun. different people have different levels of tolerance for what random effects they think are "fair" and are willing to deal with. and, with elona, if you think savescumming is bad, well, you can turn on any of the other balance/difficulty modes that forbid savescumming. why make a mode whose only unique feature is that you can savescum, and then add anti-savescum features to it? that's dumb.

as for speed - did it really need nerfing? the only skills that train speed are traveling and swimming, both which train very, very slowly. quicklings have no breed power and quantum creatures would generally need to be wished for in order to capture, and even then they have very low breed power. so not only do they multiply very slowly, but most of the time they won't even birth more quantum creatures. hermes blood is a precious potion, and speed upper can only be gotten via music tickets (and even then only gives 1 point). equipment that gives speed and is not made of glass (and thus retains that bonus when making it raw) isn't too common, and only serves to train speed rather than just giving straight points. training with AP has a cap until you've pretty much cleared the game, and generally requires fighting enemies who are much stronger than the player to begin with. and straight speed training requires killing enemies who are already faster than the player, so you have to already be at the disadvantage to train it that way. the only remotely reliable method of raising speed would be to mix dishes with herbs, and that's only so effective.

in order to get your speed to over 20 times what the enemy has, you'd need to do -a lot- of grinding. it's pretty much the hardest stat to train. if you can get 100 times the final boss' speed, frankly, you deserve to have 100 turns.

the only thing these nerfs accomplish is making a charismatic snail run significantly easier, if not rather strong. which is backwards, considering the snail is supposed to be a challenge race. suddenly their 25 speed isn't really a handicap anymore. instead of needing to work on raising their speed (which is easier because of their much lower speed INI), or leveling riding and thus limiting what they and their pets can do at any given time, now they can just treat their main disadvantage as a dump stat and abuse the fact that frisia is now forced to play at 125 speed instead of 1300. yea, sounds perfectly balanced.

if you decide to skimp out on leg day, you deserve to get dabbed on by frisia.

>>35180857
yo, don't be giving ano any ideas m8 lol

>>35181923
Homestly from what I heard about all the nerfs and buffs it seems ano has bipolar thoughts on the game.

Things like nerfing spacts into the ground and save scum protection seemed to imply
>"Yall are cheating. Take my game super serious and beat it the right way without shortcuts"

But the speed nerf, along with free godly shit, easier magic, and other garbage makes it seem like he is trying to push people to end game since he was tired of people not seeing all the "super cool stuff and story" he put there.

>>35184016
>"take my game super serious"
>"in this update you can collect your waifu's earwax and assassinate random people without fear of retaliation with an ear pick because you can"

bipolar indeed

>>35184526
Honestly, it's much better when the nonsense happens as a byproduct of some game mechanic mixed with RNG like NPCs drinking sulfuric acid or asking for [garbage] instead of Ano's whims. It's like he doesn't really get Elona.

>>35184626
I think probably at the start he threw shit at the world to see what sticked. After a certain point though he had a revelation of sorts and started making the game in that direction, which coincidentally pisses everyone else off

>>35185885
Those mechanics were made by Noa, all Ano did was add new chapters and characters.
Every new mechanic he's made has been hot garbage.

>>35181923
Not just snails
If you have a speed of 10, and {} pets at speed 50, then they get the full x5 defense and offense for being slow from previous speed tweaks, while moving at the same speed as something with speed 10,000.
Speed is now a liability.

A pets master with 1 speed and unique pets with 5 speed can be god slayers.

>>35186043
No, at the start of plus Ano DID add some neat things.
>Shift cores.
>Pet evolutions.
>some of the new spacts and feats
>necromancy undead gods

But in some cases like with the spacts he took the fun out of them when he thought they weren't his vision of "balanced". Honestly wasn't plus 1.6 was when he first started literally adding shit no one asked for or wanted?

>>35186130
>Honestly wasn't plus 1.6 was when he first started literally adding shit no one asked for or wanted?
Maybe, but as I recall things really went to pot around 1.7X. I remember lots of people (myself included) refused to update past 1.73 until Custom-G appeared.

How do I tell Palmia to stop sending me piles of items to get rid of?

>>35188448
Well, you could just dump your salary chest in the wilderness somewhere, and buy a life time supply of tax certs (if plus, or empty tax bills if oo).

>>35188448
Easy: nuke 'em. Less karma, less piles. Just don't run out of Disguise casts/kits.

Does anyone have musicpacks beside the ones in the links? some of the music links are dead as well

>now can have pretty golden statues of any enemy instead of disgusting flesh furniture
HOL UP

anon, the world is against you because you are a unsavory decomposing virus

>>35201386
shut the fuck up golden knight

>>35181923
>if you decide to skimp out on leg day, you deserve to get dabbed on by frisia.

Exactly. Speed used to be its own reward, where more of it meant more turns which meant more of everything which meant it was always worth grinding up for regardless of playstyle

But all Ano is doing now is ensuring that people will learn the computer version of surgery so that they can open up the guts of the latest version's executable and cut out the "balance" cancer that nobody wanted or asked for. He keeps shilling his personal Wesley Crusher, even when literally everyone else tells him that his Wesley Crusher is dogshit, remove him from the game please, and he just doesn't learn.

I'm still playing 1.99 and I'll stay that way until and unless a later version has had the horseshit eliminated.

>>35205623
obviously this was the issue. If people only use one thing then that thing stunts creativity!
You won't buy the cool ap abilities I made and instead just train speed?! Then fuck speed! TWICE!

HEALTH IS NEXT I SEE HOW YOU FUCKS ARE JUST GORGING HERO CHEESE!

>>35205623
The problem is that having no speed is equal to or arguably better than having a lot of speed, but getting speed is still as hard as ever.
Ano wanted to stop speed from being a god stat, but only succeeded in utterly gutting it to the point where snail is a viable race.
Speed has remained the same for the entirety of the development of Elona, and the balance of enemies, bosses, and attribute training assumes that Speed is the best stat. These recent changes undermine over a decade of design and don't replace it with anything.

>>35205623
>>35205958
there isn't even any way of making speed not be a god stat. that's how it is in every game that it appears in. but it's not like speed was so overpowered that if you were too slow, you died. enemy faster than you? tank up so you can survive their attacks and then return fire. hell, there's even a disadvantage to being too fast. bleed and poison ticks on the afflicted's turns, not the afflicter's. and practically nothing resists bleed. make a speedster bleed and they'll run themselves into the ground before long. there were strengths and weaknesses to both sides. there was -strategy- in speed. now there isn't.

technically 1.92 also nerfed speed, though technically, with a cap of 2000, over a player had 100 speed, just about everything is within that 20x range, so it only got to become a problem when you had 2k and were fighting a snail (which you shouldn't have an issue killing within 20 turns anyway by that point) or if you decided to play the entire game with a fetter of earth equipped.

speaking of fetter of earth, that's the new OP meta strat. 50% more effective health in exchange for dumping a stat that's now overall harmful rather than helpful, while simultaneously forcing everyone else to slow down for you? practically no downsides! I'm sure ano would -love- to see everyone on his version running around with fetters equipped, as that was totally what he was intending with the speed nerfs. trading one abuse for another. totally intended, right?!

>>35205855
lmao yea, fuck health! 2.07 changelog, all damage scales based on max health, while healing is flat. damage also rounds down. time to start stacking shaped gla- oh wait, wrong game

That is a beautiful picture.

>>35205958
Speed is one of the ADOM legacy shit that's bogging the game down from the core (just like the spell stock mechanic and tactics skill being not innate to all).

>>35207047
Fetter of Earth and Steel Dragon Ring to crush your enemies with glacial strength.
Finally, a balanced game with no cheating or exploits.

So,i havent played any newer version after custom plus 1.90,what do these changes actually mean? that everything is slowed down to your level and speed is useless now?

>>35205958
Snail was always viable and in some ways even optimal, and these speed reworks don't really do anything to change that.
Fairy was and continues to be the worst race, and in that regard none of the others even come close.

>>35207047
Speedsters aren't inherently more vulnerable to bleed than anything else, the cases where they are, namely bells and quicklings, are due to those races having no life. The fast races tend to also have lower life, but this doesn't always hold true, Behicles, LargeAnimals, and Gods have high speed and also high life.
Both bleed and poison suck, in any case, while for the actually powerful "damage-per-turn" status, MPoison, being faster than the target is generally optimal and Magic Eye spam is one of the tricks faster characters have that plays significantly to their strengths.

Also fetters of earth have always been useful, nothing has changed there. People were already running around with them equipped.

You go do a low speed playthrough and let me know how it goes.

>>35215692
Fast mobs can't make more than 5 turns for every one of yours, and slow mobs can't go below one turn for every 5 of yours.
In terms of what it changes for a normal run, not much.
anons are just theorising about how it could be exploited.

>>35216945
>No more grassdancers raping my stamina before i can even move
thank fucking god

>>35216653
>MPoison, being faster than the target is generally optimal and Magic Eye spam is one of the tricks faster characters have that plays significantly to their strengths.

Fun fact: both the damage Eye of Mana inflicts and the MPoison status effect gets doubled if the victim is under Fury status, as does magic reaction damage. If you put your character under Fury status then the damage you do directly is quadrupled.

The above also applies to Abyss in the Eye HP/MP drain, or in other words more damage = more healing.

>>35221776
The healing from Abyss Eye isn't tied to the damage, it just uses the same calculation as the damage.so in most cases they'll correlate.

>>35207047
>make a speedster bleed and they'll run themselves into the ground before long.
So that's why exactly one cast of Eye of Mana instantly destroys bells. I should have guessed.

>>34984622
>https://mega.nz/#F!2eBTxQLD!IO9hCXUHZYJgmNCpm3mfBA
So can we marry our companion or not?

>>35222302
Only if they like you enough.

ALL HAIL EYTH!

>>35225259
Easily the god with the coolest name.

>Lesimas Fragment
>Guaranteed to drop from Act I's final boss.
>When used on a target, it increases every single one of the target's attributes (except for Speed and Luck) to 50.
>Can be reused after 240 hours.

>Rehmido Fragment
>Guaranteed to drop from Act II's final boss.
>When used on a target, it increases every single one of the target's attributes (except for Speed and Luck) to 100.
>Can be reused after 360 hours.

>Chaos Fragment
>Guaranteed to drop from Act III's final boss.
>When used on a target, it increases every single one of the target's attributes (except for Speed and Luck) to 150.
>Can be reused after 480 hours.

>>35226586
why

>>35226622
I'm glad you asked!

>The above items are meant to give newly-recruited pets a leg up and save you some trouble in leveling up their attributes. They won't help with skill levels though.

>>35226815
Are there people out there who beat Act 3 and only then decide to recruit multiple low-level pets?

>>35226919
Kokou users

>>34984622
Pastebin anon. I ported almost all the translations from custom to 2.05. I have machine translated the rest of the scene.hsp with DeepL which seems to have slightly less retarded translations than google translate.

All I have left to do is feed the untranslated source text to DeepL, run the result through my replacer, and then compile it so people will have at least some idea what the heck things are saying until I can save to have a human look at this shit.

If any anons that speak moon want to try their hand at it though, here is most of all the shit that needs translating.
https://mega.nz/file/IKwGzCrY#nc0sFiVDX0zz85jcif-HteVZQ2UjVWOxo9oa7ut4ZJs

>>35235927
Once this is done gonna shift my full attention (and limited free time) to custom porting. Likely just to be beat to the punch by custom G anon, but I won't complain.

>>35222103

The point is, if you're very tanky you can go heal your HP and MP by draining the boss dry with Abyss in the Eye of Mana with double Fury, and it's not like you hurt your DPS in the long run since magic reaction damage procs and snowballs each time the victim takes MP damage once it goes negative.

>>34984622
>https://ghostbin.co/paste/qp6sr
bad gateway

>>34984622
are there any sex/marriage mods?

>>35235927
Don't know if you've already gone through this or not, but be careful using DeepL. Something about Japanese can cause it to fuck itself into uselessness if you try to translate too much at once, and sometimes "too much" is two sentences.

>>35237507
Fanfrickingtastic.
Time to find ANOTHER pastebin replacement...

>>35238210
Its been a few years since I last played Elona+

Where do I download it and where to find mods/install them?

>>35238054
Even more good news...
I rigged my script to export the text in 4k~ character chunks of lines to fit the free DeepL paste translator.
At a glance I didn't see anything utterly broken but to be fair I wasn't searching hard. Other than it tried to refuse to show ANYTHING for one line from the act 3 tentacle girl.

I want to get into this game but the 'bin is down as >>35237507 said. Can I get a quick rundown of how to get started?

>>35238263
Latest version is 2.05. Here is the link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kb8wfLCkw_cGgWrbUNzdugH71OYQIYUT/view?usp=sharing

If you want custom or custom g the latest version is 1.90. Aside from that mods are on the scarcer side lately. Ano added some good shit, and finally finished his fanfiction story. However he also added a bunch of shit people either were ambivalent to, or hate so much they never left 1.90. Examples being thirst mechanic, pissing on people, and the most recent change making it so no matter your speed NPCs can only take 5 more moves than you if faster, or 1 move per 5 of yours if hugely slower.


Recently though there has been a boom in translations of the other major Elona derivative line, Omake. With the latest in a long line of mods ductaped on mods being Elona Omake Overhaul Sukutsu Edition South Tyris e NC. Omakestuff has no story except Vanilla, and is focused mainly around power gaming and grinding until you can literally have 20million stats and more faffing about with town building and horse races and shit.

>>35238346
If you want to try the most popular version in the english community just download the game from the google drive linked
>>35238437

Am gonna try and set up the pastes on another site since I have physical text file backups.

Any anons know good pastebin/ghostbin alternatives that aren't shit or puritan?
Seems the /d/ games general swapped to scriptbin, but it is tied to reddit accounts for ungodly reasons.

>>35238504
Could try out rentry. Gotta keep track of a password to each bin though since it doesn't use accounts.

>>35238528
Looking at it seems like a good temp measure if nothing else. Not needing an account is honestly a plus all things considered.
Glad I decided to be paranoid and make local text backups of all the bins.
Lets see if I can accidentally kill rentry by association too...

>>35238346
for now the old paste from before the switch is still up and running, though keep in mind the elona+ vanilla link is out of date (we're at 2.05 now)

main: https://pastebin.com/FDv2ATAa
mods: https://pastebin.com/5ja03yuf

>>35238210
not sure why you'd need a replacement for that, bad gateways are generally just a temporary problem

I just beat Act 1 and I felt like I lost all motivation to play this game. Did anyone else also feel this way? I feel like it might be years before I pick this back up...

>>35238437
>Omakestuff has no story except Vanilla, and is focused mainly around power gaming and grinding until you can literally have 20million stats and more faffing about with town building and horse races and shit.

ah, I was under the impression (from how hard it is to gain and level skills to the point that it's recommended you only grab what you need) that OO had much less freedom to faff about than E+, focusing more on the roguelike aspect than the wacky-life-sim aspect

>>35238918
Honestly? Not much of an Omake player so all I know is from anons talking about omake. Seems the bred and butter reason to play is for the hard grind and exploits.
But just from the lifted features there ARE side things like town management, sending your pets off to be adventurers, and such. Just not sure how much of an investment to do any of them is compared to plus.

From what I gather plus is the more easily accessible. You can learn and train every skill with the rebalanced platinum cost in plus but Omake it seems to be highly recommended to avoid any skills not for your build, for example.

>>35238918
You can beat zeome in ~10hrs in omake, which you'll want to do when you are grinding out NC's trophies.

It's not so much that omake is grindier than plus, rather, omake took a different path than plus to reduce the vanilla grind. Omake sidesteps vanillas progression instead of changing it, and it also makes it easier to farm exploits. For instance in NC you can teach bubbles (or any pet) the harvest and wish spells then have them split to get infinite loot and wishes long before you ever reach zeome.

>>35134346
>>35222302
Google it, retard.

Is there a way to make fellow adventurers and generic npcs prettier?
Mostly their pictures, not the sprites, I've already got a mod for those. Using E+ Custom G, the pastebin repack with mods included.

>>35241846
that'd be the face1.bmp file in the graphics folder (not user/graphics). there are a couple of portrait mods located in the pastebin for that. adventurers use any of the 32 generic portraits, aka top two rows. you'll probably have to do some image editing if you want to use something like what's on scrapiuna, just use paint.net for that (program, not a website)

>>35240286
Answer him retard

>>35242067
Is there any way to increase that number? Like, if I wanted it to pick from like 200 portraits.

In an ideal world, I'd like the sprite and art to match, but I doubt that's possible.

How to we make new custom maps amd stories?

>>35242112
as far as I know - no. a randomly generated character can only pick from the portraits the player can (minus player-specific portraits). that means, 32 male, 32 female. there are more portraits than that, but those after the first two rows are for uniques. as for matching sprites to art - heh, good luck, adventurers can be visually a whole lot of different critters. I'm guessing the limit is "human-like", but I've seen adventurers with a gnome model. there are more models for them to pick from than there are portraits, including uniques.

honestly, I wish portraits matched their models too, but oh well

>>35238481
>>35238804
Thanks

Also, for pastebin alternatives, I've always used justpaste dot it since I like how you can put in pictures and formatting there. I looked through their terms and don't see any red flags, although to be safe I think the best thing to do would be to use two sites so there's always a backup.

>>35245212
Where can I find those portrait packs? The pastebins seem to be dead.

>>35238804
Fair enough. Will wait like another day and just rely on the old pastebins to see if it resolves if not I'll go to rentry and/or what
>>35246927 this anon mentioned to keep some backups.
Just got a bad feeling since they wanted you to host your own ghostbin instances as well this is gonna lead to a more "permanent" downtime.

>>35247776
I posted the old pastebin links here
>>35238804
these are still up and running

>>35248801
weird that ghostbin's still down. pastes in multiple places is a nice idea, to avoid as much downtime as possible. I just meant that dropping ghostbin over a common, temporary problem is a bit much

>>35248801
>>35252168
ohp spoke too soon. ghostbin's back up!

>>35252168
Man, Pastebin really screwed everyone over, huh?

>>34984622
Can anyone give me a link to the latest version of Elona+? All of the ones that I found were dead.

>>35271523
how? both the wiki and subreddit (which redirects to the wiki) have functioning download links. the elona+ main website also has working download links (which is where the link in the wiki comes from)

So from the point of new content is oomSESTepNC the way to go until custom g gets a major update?

>>35276973
I guess? I don't get why "new content" would be important, I've never even gotten to Act 4.

>>35279652
It's one of the main selling points for choosing plus, tho'. Aside from the easier leveling, which ano finally cranked up too far.