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>A bunch of heavy-handed nerfs that punish playing the game and introduce needless tedium. A mod of E+C called Elona Plus Custom G undoes much of this and is highly recommended.
What does the pastebin mean with this? In relation to Plus. Just curious because I've never made it far in any version of the game.

I've been considering giving it another shot recently and dunno what version would be comfiest.

>>34778704
Whenever anything is seen as effective by players, it gets arbitrarily nerfed by Ano. One time someone posted a way to grind favor with Ehekatl by using the Junk Make recipe on /jp/, and the very next version nerfed Junk Make. A lot of people stuck to playing older versions of Plus rather than put up with Ano's faggotry.
By tradition, Custom incorporates all changes to Plus (for good or ill), and also improves the translation and adds pet AI and such. Custom-G undoes the aforementioned Ano-faggotry, and also replaces all placeholder/incorrect text with original or machine translations, restoring some additional missing cutscenes.

>>34778931
So what's a version that's not too much hassle to progress in? I think the furthest I've ever gotten in this game was to like, around level 20ish and I was growing herbs and chugging potential potions for stat growth but was having a lot of trouble finding gear that didn't suck balls and always running out of platinum coins and shit. Doing harvest time quests over and over for seeds/plat was sucking my soul out of my body.

Is the mobile version pretty much the same as vanilla?
also goddamn larnneire got tits now

>>34779072
Plus has the fastest progress, but it's not like Custom is hard either. Regardless of the version, progression speed is about knowing the right tricks.

>>34780410
I felt like I was doing a pretty good job in every way except for equips and plat.

I got a new cute pet who can do more cool spells/actions than my old pet, and I'm at a high enough level and the pet's INI is low enough that AP generation is not a problem, is it finally time to retire my old pet?
Also, what are some good and cute animal pets? All my pets are humanoid so far

>>34780483
A good way to just roll for a ton of equips is to give your pets crafting skills so you get a chance for useful gear every morning.
Also, taking craft skills yourself and then hoarding materials so you can mass craft on a lucky day can get you some goods items.
Setting your farms on a town loop can allow you to take quests while you're walking from farm to farm can help with plat. Party time quests are quick and easy and traveling with many types of food and junk can allow you to do fetch quests easily..

>>34780483
The trick to both of these is recognizing that neither of them really matter all that much for progression.
Equipment: Just use the static artifacts, maybe add a few random miracles/godlies with good resists.
Platinum: Most skills are irrelevant if you just want to beat the story. If you want to train your skills for roleplay, yacagem is 25 plat per month, mine king is 3 plat per day, a museum with a couple of god figures is 15 plat per month, and quests with high fame are worth up to 6-10 plat each.

To put things in perspective, my fastest clear of Plus is about 20 hours and my fastest clear of Custom is about 30 hours. For both versions, most of that time was spent growing and eating herbs. At most maybe 1 or 2 hours of it were devoted to raising skills, and probably only about 15-30 minutes were devoted to equipment.

>>34780483
>plat

>>34780677
>speedrunning Elona
Is this a real thing? But what about your old wives?

Recently, my Elona started stuttering, or refusing keyboard inputs for 1 second or so after text like "your XX skill increases" or "you are getting thirsty" or when you get hungry. I can't figure out what the issue is since just yesterday everything was fine. Has anyone had any similar experiences and have any clue on how to fix it? It's not completely unplayable by any means, but it is rather annoying. Version is Plus2.03.

>>34780567
>>34780684
Noted, thanks.
>>34780677
I had no idea skills weren't that important. So it's mainly attributes and gear that matters? What are the static artifacts?

>>34780852
In the configs there is a setting for alert wait speed, you could try lowering that.

>>34780927
Thanks, I changed it to 1 and it more or less vanished. It's strange that I never noticed it before, but I won't ask too many questions. Thanks again.

>>34780801
It only seems like a speedrun to you because you haven't learned how the game works yet. You could go significantly faster than that if you had the knowledge and the will. I don't, but there are people who do.
>>34780878
Yeah. Some decent statics: Mag-Abyss, Unknown Shell/Twin Edge, Metal Wing, Bamagicar/War Suit, Shield Tonfa, Palmia Pride, Steel Dragon, Cestus, Crimson Plate/Asteroid Belt. +10 via blacksmith, or scrolls if you care about saving money. Rankis and Mourneblade are decent static weapons if you wanna whack stuff.
Skills ARE important if you want to get super strong and kill inner gods or voidcapped bosses, but by then your options for raising your skills will be much better than at the beginning of the game. And even then, you only start raising your skills because there's a stat cap.
If you just want to finish the story there's only a few key skill thresholds you need to meet, like 30/60 Gardening and 100/200 Cooking. In the grand scheme of things, any enemy that the story expects you to kill is in fact very weak.

>>34781078
Interesting, thanks, anon. One day I will actually beat at least the story.

Yo does custom g have the same savescum restrictions as the later versions of elona plus? It's annoying to walk into a new town and know that if I booted up less than ten minutes ago I won't be getting any wishes from the well.

Is there some sort of trick when it comes to getting resistances from cooked corpses? I always get the text saying things like "it was poisonous!" or even worse "your nerve was damaged".
Am I only supposed to eat blessed corpses or is there some luck component to it?

>>34781532
Savescum restrictions only apply if you exit the game without saving. Otherwise, custom should have an option to disable it.

>>34781605
It doesn't outright tell you you got the buffs, it gives indirect flavor text, like "your nerve was damaged" means you now have less sensitive nerves.

It can be confusing though, since the poison one should be "you gained antiboidies", so you probably were just poisoned.

>>34779072
>So what's a version that's not too much hassle to progress in?

I'm playing 1.99 right now which has much of the content but no fucking stupid, stupid caps on your platinum or skill points and oh yeah no disgusting speed nerf. I'm glad I never "updated" past that.

>>34780677
>good resists.

Alchemical Rain with potions of resistance/Statues of Izpalt can give you and your entire party the Attribute Shield buff if you need it, so as far as resists go go for more Magic resistance first. Only element AS doesn't cover and it'll reduce the received damage of other elements as a bonus.

>>34779660
hmmm...

>>34782780
cant be

>>34780544
I'm really attached to my pets, I don't know if I should retire them....

>>34784601
Fuse your old pet into your new one so it's still with you.

How do I get good?

>>34786943
I recommend enjoying the learning curve without worrying about getting good. Part of the fun will go away when you do get good.

>>34786943
Don't protect your little girl; let your little girl protect you.

>>34792519
She got melted during the putit extermination quest, just ran down the hall to her death.

>>34793606
That one's dangerous, don't do it early on. The bandits are easier and their hideout is just as good.

Can Wizard of Elea be a good pet?

>>34794172
Sure.

There are very few bad pets, people here are mostly just trying to min-max tiny advantages, or skip early grind, when they say you need x pet.

>>34794248
How do I make them good? do I just let them level up normally or do I need to do some AI fine tuning?

>>34794275
Get skills on 'em.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Easy_Gene_Engineering

>>34794248
>There are very few bad pets

Bad pets do things like self-destruct or summon hostile mobs.

I lost my savefiled with a harddrive failure about 3 years ago. I was playing E+C at the time and now I see there's tons of forks. Which one is the one you guys like most, which one would you recommend? I know a lot of people complain about Noa's nerfs but I don't think I ever got far enough to notice them (other than SP usage). Is E+ still as hated and unplayable by some people's standards or is Omake the new hotness?

>>34797826
I meant Ano, not Noa

>>34797826
Do you want something familiar, or something new?

One minor note if you go back to plus, custom die at 1.90 and plus is up to 2.04 now, you'll have to live without translations for much of act 2 and 3 story/quests.

If you go with omake, NC is the current version, but you need to install a mod to a mod to a mod to a mod to a...

>>34797930
I guess I'm open to something new, I was going to give E+CG a go but I guess that isn't very different. I've heard good things about Omake, what's the big change about it?

I have a 6 pets and want to get a new one, but then 7 pets is an odd number, so which one should I retire? Or what cute and useful animal pet should I get, in order to bring my pets to 8? Does anyone have any other ideas or suggestions on my party?

Miss Vampire (evolved young lady)
>Throw Greater Potion
>bleed resist
>heal, attribution storm, insult (from AP training)
>melee attack only

(small) older sister
>temper bit
>heal, curse
>range attack only

witch (evolved little girl)
>cheer, crystal spear
>heal, attribution storm
>melee only

Projet
>armor bit
>high INI makes it harder to AP train, but I'll probably turn it into a tank with provoke
>hybrid, prefers melee

Magus of elea (evolved wizard of elea)
>magic dart, nerve arrow, short teleport, magic storm
>heal. attribution storm
>hybrid, prefers melee

M girl
>magic storm, slow
>mana burst suicide at low health
>will give heal and attribution storm once she has enough AP
>hybrid, prefers melee

And the new pet is a High-Magician
It knows nether arrow, darkness bolt, chaos ball, cure of jua, nightmare, slow, and divine wisdom, which seems to me like a good set
Its preferred range is 3, which would help balance my party to not be as melee-dominant.

Is there a way to set your PC to use static sprites, or do i have to make one myself by copying the sprite multiple times

>>34798974
Yes

Playing elona+ custom-G, will my shopkeepers in my house transfer over if I move my house or upgrade it? I'm afraid since I've invested quite a bit in my magic shopkeep.

>>34803850
yeah.

How the fuck do you make money in e+ 1.9? I'm able to make tens of thousands at a time grinding quests but I mean the real bucks, good for getting the palace and a bunch of shops ranked up

>>34807151
Dominate some Thief's Guild members and have them sell tons of shit for you.

>>34807151
If you're playing Custom-G, it doesn't have the nerf to Nefia boss loot, so you could clear Nefia for money.

>>34807151
Farm rats and chickens for meat and eggs.

>>34807151

Food. Cook food, dump them in your shop, change your shop's specialty to food if you haven't already, and stand back.

The only hard-ish part is getting enough food to cook. You can use ranches and farms for this, but the fruit from stolen fruit trees will work, and fishing will too if you have lots of bait and your Fishing isn't dogshit.

Anyone know how to pick good armor/weps out of a black market? The numbers just kind of blend together sometimes and I don't want to spend a ton of money on something only to come across something better later on.

>>34797930
Are the omake variants translated?

>>34811159
They mostly are. NC has a few of it's newer options in Japanese, but it's pretty rare. Everything else is english, including quests/artifacts/gods.

However, there is currently a bug that disables the vanilla main quest cutscenes. They're translated, they just don't show up.

>>34811232
Oh, I should say only NC has these bugs, omake through oomsest is fine. Only danalin and seria should be untranslated in oomsest, and you can just grab them from nc.

>>34811232
Is there a place to download all of them? I thought only overhaul got translated so I haven't tried the others

>>34811263

https://pastebin.com/Wv3nsbQu
^ from the pins in the discord should cover everything, I think.

Here's the latest nc: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628077536118571020/843116641550073856/SESTepNC_20210515R.zip

>>34810921
I'd say pay more attention to enchantments than numbers. Some are pretty rare outside of fixedarts, like See Invisible.

>>34811232
>However, there is currently a bug that disables the vanilla main quest cutscenes. They're translated, they just don't show up.
Did they remember to put //#pack "scene2.hsp" at the top of the HSP file?

>>34815298
what are good enchantments then?

>>34817594
see invisible, thief guard, resistance, etc
check out this page for the full list of attributes and their effects https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Equipment_attributes

>>34810921
I've never seen anything good on a black market. Traveling merchants can have living weapons, albeit rarely.

Does anyone else have high numbers fatigue and want to start a new game after a while of playing plus? About when I reach post-Zeome kind of levels I really start missing the simplicity of the early game in terms of stats, spells and gear.

>>34817977
Often hit that point around lvl 25, once i got a good way of farming potential (potions, picnic basket etc.) the game becomes somewhat bland and it doesnt take too long for me to lose interest in the character afterwards

>2.04 has broken cutscenes
What a shame. I've never actually bothered to beat the main story before and this was the first time I was gonna try. Is there another version worth playing?

>>34817594
What I do is rapidly scan through every item, looking out for brown enchantments. The good, rare ones are usually brown.

So I want to play a martial artist, any tips?

>>34821180
yeah

>>34821750
give em please

>>34821750
I expect a "tips fedora" meme

>>34821180
Check out Kai's martial arts guide in the pastebin.
Otherwise, just be sure to tag Greater Evasion and buy the Shield Tonfa with your medals.

>>34822160
reading it now, thanks

>>34821750
thanks

>>34778382
>3 threads ago say I finally have time to update the paste.
>Prove myself to be a fucking liar by getting swept back into work and forgetting
>"Well I'll just update the bin to the latest plus and then look into this NC garbage and other stuff I might need by asking in thread.
>After adding the new plus link pastebin throws a pissy fit saying the paste is offensive and can only be saved as private.

Ok, which of the pastebin-likes I have been seeing passed around aren't shit? Is ghostebin alright?
Also give me any links you want updated or tell me about what you want added, and I'll try not to be retarded once I get the new links ready.

>>34824423
Pastebin is basically committing suicide. Lots of communities that used it have ditched it.
Ghostbin is probably fine. It has a "keep forever" option and such, and at a glance I can't find anyone having issues with it.
Worst-case scenario, you can put the pastebin on a repo like github or notabug.

>>34798317
please please PLEASE respond

>>34826121
Just get 2 new pets, and retire the least useful of the pair.

>>34779660
I just downloaded the mobile version to give it a shot. I'd honestly prefer to play it on my computer, but whatever.

>>34826264
Finding useful pets is haaaaard
I guess I'll switch to Kumiromi and add a Cute Fairy in order to make it so I can eat herbs forever.

>>34828991
Hard? A bell is hard but Karata is not

>>34829233
Don't pets lose elemental resistances when recruited? Or is that just some pets
Bells are too fast for easy AP grinding too

>>34828991
The Cute Fairy should be put on a ranch so it can breed cute fairies for maximum seed production

>>34826121
Get a nightmare sheep
>fluffy and cute
>did nothing wrong
>500 innate magic resist
>innate blind and sleep immunities
>60% chance to use mind bolt, which can be boosted with artifact fusion to do x2.5 damage
>group hypnosis for crowd control, and to boost the entire party's nightmare element damage including its own mind bolt

>>34832036
Good idea, I could use a mind bolt pet. Now if only I had a monster ball high level enough

Ok, I know everyone needs to put work into resist gear at some point. But what playstyles require the LEAST gear management to work?

>>34833091
Marital Artist

>>34833226
>Marital Artist
>relating to marriage or the relations between a married couple.
yeah i guess letting your wife do everything takes away the need for gear

>>34833091
Actually, does setting up a talk party take much more than resistance gear?
I never fiddled with the talking feats, but I heard they need pets set to blab at enemies to be most effective?

If I stop paying taxes, will they take my shop and farm away?

>>34834517
The only penalty the Palmian jewlords can muster is a karma hit.
You can get by without paying taxes if you can reliably raise your karma out of criminality.

>>34834517
>>34835054
don' think about saving up lost wallets and giving them in a bunch , the guards are not stupid

>>34835295
>not stupid
yeah after a while they'll suspect your ass even if you didn't overdo it apparently

>>34835054
Good, they can send me all their mutants guards that glow in the dark, I'll just run them over with my horse

Is there any way to quickly raise Shop Rank?
I have a ton of quality food that's getting bottlenecked by abysmal sales.

>>34829904
They lose the level based ones, but not the cres bit. There was also a time were people thought they lost that too, but that was just a misunderstanding of how fire + water worked. It accidentally lead to people thinking karata was a strong pet. Those were dark days.

>>34835677
More shops, for more rank up chances.

New player here, would you please share with us your valuable tips and approaches for a fresh start? I'm planning to play solo (I am going to use pets only for development and commercial reasons) as a hybrid martial artist and could benefits from your experiences, you veteran sages!

>>34838252
rather than martial artist I recommend that you go with a weapon instead, its much more easy to start out, if you can't bend on this grab a claw as soon as possible and follow the martial arts guide in the pastebin

I have no fucking clue why you would play without pets when its one of the best things of the game, reconsider, get the little sister/girl

>>34838252
this>>34838569
Martial Artists only really get good on the high end of character power and playing one limits your options for earlygame powerups.
I'd recommend just exploring the game and feeling things out at first, you're probably not going to stick with your first character for very long.
A big part of the learning curve is figuring out how to get the things you want and do the things you want to do, and then making a new character that can take advantage of that new knowledge and preparation.
Another thing to consider is that characters you make from a gene (option you get after you marry a pet) are just straight up better off than entirely new characters since they can benefit from the previous character's inventory, which can eliminate a lot of the rng having to do with getting key items, tools, and essential consumables.

>>34838252
No pets is basically a challenge run. You want the little girl tanking for you until you're more familiar with the game.
My advice is to give her a twohanded weapon, and use a ranged weapon yourself. Also, don't do anything dangerous until you've built yourself up for a while.

>>34838796
bad second advice, if the nigga wants to be melee he should by all means follow the dream of smashing motherfuckas

>>34835054
Just do a ton of quests to redeem your karma and you can tax evade as you like

>>34838569
>>34838685
>>34838796
Thank you so much for your concern, Anons. I used to play ToME (Tales of Maj'Eyal) as a bulwark (a class that is specialized in weapon and shield combat, aka a tank); therefore, is there any composition that is similar to a tank-oriented class but can be used as a healer as well? I might try this composition with an army of pets.
>>34838685
> A big part of the learning curve is figuring out how to get the things you want and do the things you want to do, and then making a new character that can take advantage of that new knowledge and preparation.
Indeed, I think it is time to mature and start personally documenting the approaches taken to arrive at a better ones. Thank you for the wake-up slap.

>>34840053
Tanks and healers do work per se, but you usually don't have to focus nearly that hard on defense to survive, and it's an opportunity cost that could be spent on offense instead.

>>34840211
Is it true also for the post-game?

>>34840289
There's not really much nuance in building up your defense, and it's not really something you need to specialize in.
Really, you're looking for gear with elemental resistance and status effect immunity.
Later in the game you can buy special feats that increase your defense, but most of your problems with incoming damage will be solved with better attributes and Life.
There's more specialization in weapon choice and magic use than there is in defense.
Really, you can do anything as long as you aren't dividing your training between two things that consume the same resources, ie: don't train both melee and ranged, and don't cast both buffing and attacking magic.

>>34840478
I see, thanks for the detailed information, Anon.

>>34840667
I'd also recommend looking up some static artifacts on the wiki.
Most of them are pieces of equipment that can be obtained at least semi-reliably, and they can give you some good boosts without having to rely on random equips.

Is there a way to upscale the UI?

>>34840735
I only have three pieces and they helped me too much to stay alive while playing at the loss-mode; I will look up for the rest of them later on. Thanks again for your help!

>>34840932
can upsacle to 1440 x 808
Make new resolution in nvidia control panel
then change the config.txt resolution lines to 1440 and 808

>>34838252

If you're going to go without any pets, which is more a self-imposed challenge than anything else considering how useful they are, then consider starting as a Thief and get a Grenade early on. The Thief's innate passive lets your opening attack be an automatic critical hit if done from surprise (which is easy to do from range) and the constant explosions from thrown Grenades will serve as your main means of killing things until you can grind up something else to use. Plus it's AoE so there's less chance of getting overwhelmed by hordes.

Just wanted to share this janky moment in OOMSEST where I encountered a panic quest where every mob was the Minotaur King, Ungaga.
Didn't think having the title on where you could encounter him normally would also apply to quests. Glad to see it did however, been getting an artifact drop off each one that I kill.
All my pets that got one shot are probably less glad, but that's nothing love potions can't fix!

>>34843863
Wait named NPCs can appear in panic quests?

>>34846795
I think it may only be Ungaga, unless their are new titles in OOMSEST+NC that I'm not aware of.
Pic related is what I activated to get him to appear in panic quests.

Is it a bad idea to play oomsest blind?

where do I find long sock

I wish Elona had randomized everything for infinite replayability

>>34849903
I am unsure of the feasibility of making a randomizer mod in hsp, but that would be a very fun and chaotic kind of game..

>>34849995
Randomized world map and cities would be quite something. But yeah, unrealistic to consider without I suppose porting and rebuilding the entire game.

>>34842076
>Make new resolution in nvidia control panel
I'm PC illiterate, where's this at? Like the option, I've used the control panel before for the game specific 3d settings and shit.

Wow, I had no idea preaching in party time quests could make me so much easy money.

>>34851838
It could vary based on what you're using. You should probably just use a search engine. Type in "change screen resolution" and then whatever software/OS you're using, and you'll get instructions with pictures, possibly even a video demonstrating exactly what to do.

>>34851838
open ncp, go to change resolution --> customize --> create custom resolution --> type in 1440 x 808 --> apply

>>34849772
Should be fine, I can't imagine you'll run into to many problems, there's like 1 quest nc adds where you have to make a choice, and it tells you straight up.

Worst that'll happen is you'll not know where to find the secret fairy zone in

>>34852589
Thanks!

>>34852589
Does that work? Guess I'm old; I still remember the days when messing with display settings could fry your monitor. I know these days they're smart enough to just display an error message, but being able to handle arbitrary resolutions is a new one for me.

>>34832723
Easy, invest in monster ball vendor in casino

>>34856737
There's a monster ball vendor in casinos?

>>34857448
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Lend_the_taker

>>34849794
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Mission_from_knight_level_150?commentId=4400000000000011111

>>34849794
Just pickpocket diabolic clowns
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Diabolic_clown

I have played for hundreds of hours but never pickpocketed anything. Is this skill that big of a deal?

>>34867813
it's the skill to bring back things to their rightfull owners
Like why should an artifact belong on an adventurer ? All the artifacts should be yours

>>34867813
It's the skill for cheesing trades and exploiting map resets to get free shit.
An example is that it's possible to get infinite unicorn horns in Lumiest by stealing from the Mage Guild building.

>>34868035
Sounds like something Ano should patch out of the game

>>34868269
I mean, the entire Thieves Guild is based around it, so it's not like it's some kind of unintended exploit.

>>34868359
I was just kidding. The point of the game is arguably to find ways to break it anyway.

>>34868382
There are people that unironically agree with Ano's stance on removing strategies and playstyles from the game.

Does this game have vore? Asking for a friend haha

>>34868715
Play one of the omake variants.
You get a special action to eat people.

>>34868715
Kinda. Some enemies will try to squeeze you or suck fluids out of you. But you can't devour people alive afaik, just cook/eat raw their dead bodies.
There are many eldritch-themed monsters in Plus and you can absolutely have a creepy/immoral playstyle however. In fact, it's encouraged.

>>34868779
Damn I've been playing Plus and I had no idea. How's it work? Like, can you use it on enemies as well and what do you get out of it?
>>34868800
>But you can't devour people alive afaik, just cook/eat raw their dead bodies.
Yeah that's all I've been doing.
>you can absolutely have a creepy/immoral playstyle however. In fact, it's encouraged.
Other than fucking shopkeepers for my money back/for discounts what other kinda stuff is there?

How good is Punishment on a pet?

>>34868845
The entire Gene Engineer skill resolves around combining your allies with captured monsters and slaves to grant them additional skills and body parts.
A lot of the spacts are incredibly brutal, with you cutting enemies heads off with razorwire and turning them into meatdolls by enervating their nervous system.
The game heavily encourages you to participate in the slave trade and to drain the blood of your servants to restore your stamina.
Casual murder of civilians carries very little penalty and is necessary to farm certain items.
You can gain a Feat that reduces karma penalties by murdering Gwen the Innocent.
There is a quest where you nuke a capital city at the behest of a deranged terrorists.
You can emotionally manipulate npcs using love potions only to sell them into sexual slavery.
You are encouraged to betray every god in the pantheon after extracting all you can from them.
You can infest a city with parasitic aliens in order to generate an endless amount of high quality corpses.
All of this is just a bit of what you can do on the first continent.

>>34868845
Eat largely works like decap, you need to weaken them first, and then you instantly eat them. Always procs though, as long as you aren't full.

It gives you corpse effects (stronger than normal too), sometimes special text, like when eating a younger sister (I believe you can set this with talk files), and you gain spell stock for every spell they knew, based on their level.

>>34869125
>The game heavily encourages you to participate in the slave trade and to drain the blood of your servants to restore your stamina.
Ah, so the blood sucking feat is worth taking?
>>34869371
Sounds rad. Is it fairly straightforward how to learn it? And how is documentation for Omake stuff? I don't think I've seen much about it on the wiki. Tempted to switch over but I should probably "beat" at least North Tyris in Plus first, I guess. I've never made it super far.

>>34869490
You get it the first time you load a saved game. For documentation, most of it was released in the changelog under their wiki entry, and a few things were added past that like the smithing page.

But.. A fair amount was only every discussed on the discord, even on the jp side, with people being lazy to update the wiki. This is especially bad for the really new stuff, like how you need orchards to be diagonally across from each other to breed them. NC does ship with an html manual that summarizes most things, but you'll need to open it in chrome and get auto-translate to work.

>>34869490
The hp drain is ok, but the main benefit is restoring stamina, which you use for special actions like cooking and certain attacks.

>>34869563
Sounds like kind of a pain, but omake/oomsest and stuff sounds pretty neat in general. Never really hear anybody bitch about it like I do with Plus and Ano's shenanigans.
>>34869712
I see, thanks.

>>34870239
>Sounds like kind of a pain, but omake/oomsest and stuff sounds pretty neat in general. Never really hear anybody bitch about it like I do with Plus and Ano's shenanigans.
I don't know how much of it is it's quality compared to how inaccessible it is to westerners compared to plus.

Notice how all the complaints about Ano are just meaningless screeching, no mention of any specific thing that actually matters.

>>34870773
Go cry like a little bitch somewhere else. You're not going to be able to gaslight anyone here.

>>34870773
I'm sorry, but the mechanic where you're constantly pissing your pants is a bit much for me.

>>34870884
Thanks for proving my point.
>>34870931
What's the point of such a blatant lie? Anyone can download Plus and immediately find out that this isn't true.

>>34869490
>Ah, so the blood sucking feat is worth taking?

It can also be used to kill off evasive but fragile little shits like bells and quicklings, and Necromancer PCs can drain their undead minions, not just their pets.

>>34870931
>I'm sorry, but the mechanic where you're constantly pissing your pants is a bit much for me.

Pick up the piss, use scrolls to curse the pile of piss, then throw it at enemies to sicken them. Or use with Liquid Manipulation for screen-wide damage with your disease-piss tacnuke.

>>34871552
There's necromancy in this game? Is it good?

>>34871572
Not compared to meta options but the game is easy enough that you can make anything work.

>>34871452
But it is though?
Every time you drink at full thirst a status effect called Wetting is applied, and it's explicitly linked to urination by the Marking special action.
It's not even really optional, as it massively increases sp regen so there's no reason not to have it on all the time.
I enjoy visualizing my characters while I play roguelikes, and I don't like the image of my wizard or warrior constantly wetting themselves.
It's just not for me. If you like it, or don't care about it. that's fine, but don't accuse me of lying about why I don't like it.
What motivation could someone have to lie about a version of a niche roguelike anyways?
>>34871572
It's pretty good, you need the cemetery key at Lumiest Graveyard to make it manageable though.
You basically make a wall of spooks to protect and attack while you spam rods and potions at enemies.
You also get some neat special actions to apply to all your minions.

>>34871615
>I don't like the image of my wizard or warrior constantly wetting themselves.

How about the image of your character wiping out entire screens with piss tsunamis?

>>34871615
I don't know what that one faggot's problem is. Seems like nobody can even poke fun at Ano without him shitting his pants. He's been throwing regular bitchfits for several threads now, even blatantly lying about things just to white knight Ano.

>>34871651
That's better, but still not my cup of tea.

>>34871615
It honestly never occurred to me to interpret it as constantly pissing your pants since, you know, there's no piss. I just assumed it was yet another weird translation choice, since urine exists and Wetting doesn't produce any. Also consider that the opposite end is called Drying. But I can see where you're coming from, so that's my bad.
>>34871690
I poke fun at Ano all the time but whenever anyone brings any realism to the discussion you attribute it to a single bogeyman. I don't even recommend Plus and this is the second time you've mistaken me for that "faggot" you're so obsessed with. I didn't say anything last time because you sound like an absolute schizo, but you really need to take your meds.

>>34871959
>I don't even recommend Plus
What variant do you recommend?

>>34872088
I recommend starting with Custom, then either updating to current Plus once you've mastered Custom and want more, or transitioning to OOMSEST if you want to try something completely different.

>>34871959
>Wetting doesn't produce any
It does if you get hit hard enough in combat.

>>34872110
Why would you recommend a version that still has placeholder text for half the endgame quest dialogue?

>>34872149
Does it really? I've played for hundreds of hours carrying a magaqua and this has never happened to any of my characters, but maybe I've just never been hit hard enough.
>>34872156
Because I forgot the -G.

>>34872110
How different is OOMSEST? Is progression any different?

>>34872205
It's like a completely different game to the point where it's hard to make a valid comparison, so take this with a huge grain of salt. I feel like progression rate is about the same as Custom if you know the optimal strats for both. The method of progression is completely different. If you're just playing around and not using optimal strats, then it's way, way slower than Custom.

>>34872365
What ARE the strats other than "invest in magic vendors for potential potions and start a herb farm"? Like in both Plus variants and OOMSEST. That's the only one I've ever learned.

>>34872595
Well, for oomsest you just want to get god blessed food. Puff puff bread, herbs (kumiromi turns all rotten food into seeds, so you can have massive super farm real early), or milk.

God blessed food gives boosts to potentials, each on is different. Kumiromi/inari give a small boost to every main attribute, jure gives a boost to life, ehe to mana, lulwy to speed, etc. In NC you can see what the blessings give with shift P.

Later on, kumiromi gets a miracle somewhere north of 50 faith, that gives a second boost to xp gained when eating food. This soft caps at 2000%, and stacks multiplicatively with potential and the growth buff. The growth buffs scale with "it maintains" enchantment strength on food you eat. Growth buffs are usually obtained from gear, little sisters meals, and the eggs sold by the fairy in the secret zone.

Finally, ehekatle also gets a miracle that gives softcaps x5 xp, and multiplies wiht everything. However, her buff only works while worshiping her.

So for max gains you'll eat gear with strong maintains buffs while you worship kumi, cast harvest festival, then swap to ehe and mass-offer her up to he faith cap. Then cast school of lesson, and start grinding xp before the buffs wear off. Don't forget to have your potentials capped first.

>>34872913
>eat gear
I remember something about hoarding inferior material scrolls, is that what that's for?

>>34873381
Nah, there's a mutation you can get that lets you eat anything, even adamantine gear, furniture, etc.

>>34873758
Oh damn. Normal mutation or etherwind? OOMSEST only?

>>34872595
Glossing over Plus "meta" strats:
In both variants, you focus on Harvest quests for herb seeds and preaching at Party quests for gold while training up to 60 Gardening, 40 Faith, and 200 Cooking. You make picnic baskets and invest in magic shops for wonder scrolls. In Custom you get herb seeds from duped Kumi statues and use Violent Garden as your main attack. In Plus you abuse yacapoints and use Empathy as your main attack. For bosses you use magic eye and exploit the AI when possible (mainly Zeome and Enthumesis).
Either way you eventually transition into Meteor from all those wonder scrolls you've been buying. Awaken the highest level dungeon you can Meteor, Meteor it, then Summon Wild/Monsters and Meteor them too. You get hundreds of levels in a matter of minutes, giving you effectively infinite HP and BP to spend for whatever roleplay build you want to do. In Custom you can summon until the map is full and then Meteor them all at once, while in Plus you have to Meteor more frequently in order not to hit the BP cap, but in exchange your BP is worth more.

It goes without saying that you should play the way you want, but if what you want is the fastest progression without cheating then that's how it goes.

>>34873839
Normal mutation, I think all versions of OO and up have it.

>>34873854
>>34874364
Thanks, anons. I mostly just wanna play this game for comfy but this stuff is good to know because progressing is fun too.

What is better: dodge value or increases to evasion/greater evasion? I ask because on my fairy character, I have the choice for a cloak which buffs evasion and greater evasion, or a wing with 4 more dodge value, and not sure which is preferable.

Found an adventurer with a skeleton key sitting in his inventory and I'm trying to find the easiest way to acquire it.
Is spamming aphrodisiac spiked food the best way? Should be able to just normally take it from him once he's a permanent ally right?

>>34874466
DV is better

Looking for advice on a new run since the story is "finished" if untranslated.
My first successful act 3 run was a no magic melee magic item pet master. Have a bunch of non meta pets run around while I hit things with rods and swords.

Debating going either:
1. Another pet master, but making a talking team. Possibly only pets that join willingly/are made/static quest rewards. Issue with that is the one thing I was bothered with about my initial run was making sure everyone stayed leveled and equipped.

2. Solo Martial artist. Not reliant on gear, catharsis when your weak ass self gets big numbers... but frankly without any companions I think the game would be lonely even though that sounds retarded.

3. Necromancer. All the spooks are based on my stats so I don't have to worry about fiddling with keeping parties balanced or gear maintained. If I sacrifice common sense I can make them look like the npcs I would have recruited anyway by ignoring buffs. But by the sound of it I am stuck relying on magic device, and can make myself super squishy due to my spooks being able to take on dungeons that can throttle me if I actually get in harms way.

So how do I actually go about setting up OOMSESTNC? Can I just download vanilla and then oomsestnc itself from the discord?

>>34875830
If you just want a minimum effort install:

Grab vanilla, install normally.
Grab oo from the twitter, copy over and run the exe once.
Grab NC and copy over.
Done.

If you want the custom items/npcs/gods translated, it's a bit more complicated and there's a pastebin of the full instructions somewhere up above.

You can probably play without those though, you'll just lose the flavor text/descriptions. Inari's show room might crash you, but you can just never go to the showroom.

>>34876087
Thanks anon. I can read enough moonrunes to avoid the extra hassle.

>>34875716
Necromancy is not strong but it is fun. On the flip side, talk team is strong but not fun. Solo anything bores me too, so I know where you're coming from. You also might be underestimating how much Martial Arts relies on gear-- it's only not gear reliant when compared to conventional weapons. Compared to spells, rods, necromancy, talk, or basically anything else besides other weapons, it has a lot more rare enchantments that it's always hungry for. Extra attack, vorpal, interlocking/proximity.

My suggestion is necromancer. If you want a cute wife you can marry a zombie queen, who will buff your spooks for you.

>>34876087
>>34876279
It tells me I'm missing a gurugurusmf4.api and that the game is for 98/2000 and later

>>34876399
Whoops, I guess you need the latest oomsest after all. Copy over and run that once as step 3, (it might be fine to run it after copying nc over)

>>34876535
>>34876087
To summarize the revised directions:

Grab vanilla, install normally.
Grab oo from the twitter, copy over and run the exe once.
Grab oomsest from the twitter, copy over and run the exe once.
Grab NC and copy over.
Done.

>>34876535
Thanks, now it's good to go.

>>34869371
Does omake not have an ability to get an enemy to low health without killing them?

>>34876318
>Necromancy is not strong but it is fun. On the flip side, talk team is strong but not fun. Solo anything bores me too, so I know where you're coming from.

You can have both spooks and pets. Even better, once you get the spact that lets you send pets to and from town anytime you can do things like toss out zombies to weaken the boss and then call in your pets to finish it off or build up for Undead Fusion and let your unitdeads fight alongside your pets.

>>34877107
I don't know which version added it, but somewhere in the omake line false swipe was added in. I think it was post-OO. False swipe is learned when you have 15+ tactics, I think. Or 35? And level up.

It does it's damage based on str rather than your attack stat, so it can be more annoying to use than knockout.

>>34877478
Ahh, thanks. Man the plat costs for learning new skills are huge in this compared to Plus. Also there's no on-screen stamina display? And no way to rename class/race?

>>34878040

The ex settings should have a bunch of stuff to display more information. NC put sp under ex settings 6, near the bottom.

For class, you can change classes using the guild leaders (can't be a rookie in the guild), or the scientist in cyber dome. The last one is where custom classes are chosen, if you want to make your own. But I think you need to edit the class.csv to make one.

You can also make custom races with the race csv, but you'll need to either start as that race, or wish for that race, ie "race mutant".

>>34878457
>NC put sp under ex settings 6, near the bottom.
Thanks, I found it. Also holy hell, you only get like 10% skill potential per training?

>>34878679
Yeah. I usually just use skill points for potential, and aim for 50%+ on main skills.

Later on there's a trophy you can get that sets potential to +50%, so it never goes below that, and raises the cap to 450%. There's also 2 titles in late post game that do similar for higher highs.

New NC update some minor fixes, and it should restore the cutscenes in english: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628077536118571020/845971153200611378/SESTepNC_20210523.zip

>>34881452
Should I bother with the NC fork of OOMSEST if I haven't even reached south Tyris yet?
The wiki mentions some non-end game additions such as the smithing expansion along with new crafting recipes.
However, going through the changelog with google translate to find out what those are is proving difficult.

>>34876318
Alright. You convinced me.
Any tips?
I know the guides are old as dirt, but are they still relevant?

Are there any decent pets in early oomsest? are nurses still broken or do they heal allies

>>34879568
Noted. What are trophies and how do I get em?

>>34884549
You can find trophies on the main screen before starting a game. You know how you can get minus feats like addiction to gambling here? If you beat zeome using a minus feat you'll earn it's trophy. Gambling addiction gives a boost to gambling. No growth gives the boost to potential. The trophies will tell you what you'll get.


>>34881762
Sure. BTW, you can enter south tyris without beating zeome, it's not act 2 in the omake lines. It's just another continent full of towns here. NC adds a few quests and artifacts down there, it also gives mage vendors a "return" service that can teleport you to any town on that continent. Very useful, just watch your cargo, it won't survive the teleport.

>>34886741
Interesting, thanks.

>>34882231
>are they still relevant?
Yes, necromancy is more or less the same as it's always been. There have been various buffs to help bring it up to par a bit but nothing that changes the way it fundamentally works, so any old guide should still be fine.

Is there anyway to remove the gene restriction in the overdoes mode?

What's a good way to make money early game in Omake? Performing?

>>34889705
Puff puff bread, they sell for 200+ (based on negotiation and impress with shopkeepers), and you can craft them out of anything, even a single gold coin.

Later, once that starts to be slow, you can get a bunch of shack deeds and build your house at port kapul/noyel. Buy cargo and dump it in your house. Once you have enough, read another shack deed at the other end of the map, and mass sell cargo. In omake, you can sell cargo even if the traders have 0 gold. Repeat as needed.

>>34825096
I come bestowing gifts of non retarded pastes. Finally with current plus links edition.
Was debating setting up a password just to avoid anyone not from here reporting it somehow or some crap, but that would probably lead to newbs spamming the thread how to access it even if OP posted in neon pink letters.

Gonna be archiving all the pastebin links to ghostebin, then saving text files to my own machine for triple redundancy. Again, will add NC later, but feel free to call me out on anything else outdated and missing.

>>34890540
>craft them
I'm dumb, how do I do this? What skills/tools do I need?

>>34890811
I am freaking retarded I forgot to add the links of all things to the post.

>Main paste
https://ghostbin.co/paste/qp6sr

>Mod paste
https://ghostbin.co/paste/koy5

>>34890822
1) buy and read the recipe from a magic/general store vendor.

2) use a x of testing (it's the pot for fusion before plus renamed it).

3) select puff puff bread, and choose your puff.

>>34890829
Have now catalogued everything document based into ghostbins for backup and included the links in the main ghostbin.
Left the old original links just for backups, since ghostbin might be a tad ugly to some.
Might take all the old guides I saved and convert them to markdown to make them "pretty".

Should I put links to the ghostbins in the original pastes so anyone that does find it knows where the updated ones will be?

>>34890972
Thanks! Found the recipe, just need to find a pot somewhere.

How to effectively level up the crafting jobs? I am leveling up cooking and fishing simultaneously and the process takes forever!

>>34886741
I feel kinda stupid for not even trying to go to South Tryis. Explored a couple of the towns there, and is there anything I should know?
Seems most of the quest down their are in the level 20-30 region.
As an aside, the ability for guards to guide you to any NPC in the town is a godsend in NC. No more wandering around aimlessly for town NPC's to turn in quests (worse even if their equipment is cursed or doomed).

>>34892747
There's static dungeons, a chaos fort, a secret zone, and new guilds. Can't think of too much to watch out for, unless you are worried you'll miss something.

>>34778382
Alright anons. I have no knowledge of Japanese whatsoever, but I do have funds to spare. If anyone can get me a file with all the untranslated shit in it I can pay a translator to go over it.

>>34893889
We already have translations for most of the stuff. We just need someone to make a new build of custom.

>>34894051
I thought that after a point in act 2 everything turned machine translated for custom? I mean, I guess that WORKS but seems like pretty low quality.

What am I supposed to do with fish like this?
I can't seem to sell it to a vendor, so I presume their is somewhere specific to turn it in.

>>34894098
Fair enough, a lot is MT. There are also things like item descriptions, card text, small details like what yacatect says when you try to leech more plat during the same month, etc.

Unfortunately, most of the text in the game is scattered about in if then statements, except the cards, which I think are a separate file.


>>34894273
Nothin'. It's a trophy.

>>34894051
>We just need someone to make a new build of custom.
What skills are required to do this?

>>34895929
You have to comb through around 100k lines of ugly decompiled code, and manually port all the new changes to the last version of custom's source.

>>34895929
General programming knowledge, the compiling/decompiling guides from Custom-G, a diff tool (e.g. WinMerge), and lots of free time.

>>34895979
>>34896074
Oh God, it is indeed ugly! Full appreciation to those who made efforts to create the modified versions.

For mobile, how do I check what jobs I have currently? I accepted one and now having trouble finding the guy I got it from.

Doesn't OOMSest lack variety in terms of monsters and characters? characters.bmp seems very small compared to what I'm used to coming from Plus.

>>34899724
If i'm not mistaken since omake and all its derivatives just stack stuff on TOP of vanilla rather than absorb it all the extra npcs and monsters are in their own dedicated subfolder with like a hundred 1 sprite each files.

>>34899819
>>34899724
/user/npc/

Most of those only show up once (untill you get the repeat title), but some like the extra putits show up in their own special dungeons. Omake usually relies on its hero/demi-god/etc title system to add stronger mob recolors that other games do.

NC adds some more that don't show up there or in the normal character .bmp file, you can see them in /user/graphics as loose .bmps. Those mostly show up in fairy island/abyss dungeons.

Ano bad, bad developer

>>34902951
>Huh.
Huh.

We all HATE Ano!!!

A strong retarded person meets the silver cat in a hunting missions; How he is supposed to capture it without killing it? No poison in inventory; no brain in head.

>>34904916
Rod of domination, you can buy it for 20 small medals from Miral's workshop.

>>34904962
Thanks. Until the next encounter, I guess. On a side note: Are there other cheap methods?

>>34905089
You can use the cat hater mission in yowyn to get easy access to silverl cats. Just save that mission untill you are prepped to catch one, or at least don't kill any of the silver cats that spawn in.

>>34905180
Oh, I forgot about that side quest. Thanks for reminding me.

>>34781605
"your nerve was damaged" sounds to me like just taking nerve damage. If you get a "nothing happens..." text afterward that means your corpse-based resistance is maxed out.

>>34796824
If you have Custom even those stop being a problem.

>>34906032
Oh, no, even custom ai can't save you from kamikaze yeeks self destructing. It's been tried.

However, plus blocks summoning pets from summoning. Also can't get pet bubbles to split.

>>34906046
What if you have the yeek only do ranged attacks?

>>34913005

You're free to try it, but someone on here awhile back played the "let 4chan pick my pets" game. And struggled with that explodey boi for their whole game.

>>34778382
Pastebin anon here. Anyone got a decent summary for NC for when I add it to the ghost bins?
Might make an "easy" version of it zipped up and on the mega as well once the updates slow down for it.

>>34916212
NC ships with a .html guide. You'll need to run it through google translate, but it does a good job of summarizing the bulk of NCs content.

As a minor addition, OO recently updated to add 40 new classes, 8? feats, a couple of new skills including new summoner skills. (necromancy and plants). OOmsest builds don't support this, but NC does.

Are there only young ladies at the little sister mansion in OOMSESTNC? I only see the little sister shopkeeper here.

>>34918921
The younger sister swarm only shows up when the shopkeeper summons them in response to combat.

>>34919012
Thank you.

>>34905089
>Are there other cheap methods?

It costs a feat point so it's not exactly cheap, but the Knockout feat lets you smack a critter into easy monsterball range without any chance of death. At least, directly.

Finally decided to get my first "good" pet when I chanced upon a gold bell after acquiring a rod of domination.
Is there any reason I shouldn't just gene engineer it 4 hand slots so it can be bullet dispensing machine? Playing OOMSEST variants so npc's should be able to dual wield guns if I'm interpreting the changelogs correctly.

>>34922620
oomest dual wield guns should be treated as melee weapons IIRC

>>34923035
Does that mean if I put 4 guns in my hand slots, my bell will just smack enemies with those pistols rather than fire at them?
If so that's rather disappointing.

>>34923514
my headcanon is that they still fire the guns , just in melee range
but yeah that's the crutch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_fu

>>34923514
>>34923035
No, they actually shoot them. You can track the firearm/marksman skills, or select a special ammo to test it.

It's plus that makes them blunt weapons.

>>34923702
Wait, I heard from somewhere that you can equip guns on your hands and shoot them when punching. Is that not true?
Playing plus custom g

Is a gun build viable in E+CG?

>>34931562
Only if you're cool enough.

>>34926291
Nope, not in plus. Custom g doesn't add that effect that I'm aware of.

Only the omake branches add it.

>>34931562
Probably, yes. I'm playing one currently and seem to be murdering everything instantly with just a living pistol that isn't even maxed. Makes me wish you could toggle some sort of hard mode to compensate.

Is it just me or does OOMSESTepNC crash often?

I have not played elona in like 3 years. is the google drive link to E+ broken to anyone else?

How come music no longer plays inside my home upon purchasing a palace?

>>34932819
Yes, the game got updated to 2.04 and Ano deletes the old links.
There will always be a link to the current version on his blog.
http://wanwanplus.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-38.html

Is there any benefit to changing classes?
Just discovered one of my pets doesn't have a class, and was wondering if there was any reason not to assign it one when it has none.

>>34936449
Classes offer benefits and no drawbacks, as long as they're the classes you can pick on character creation, otherwise it's just flavor.

>>34936449
There are class feats in plus like warmage's +5% cast chance that can be interesting, and in oomsest they get skills like boost from claymore.

>>34936570
Are the class skills your referring to acquirable from changing into the respective class?
Or are the skills only obtainable on character/pet creation. I swapped my Warrior of Elea pet to a Valkyrie class a while back and I don't think I've seen it cast Hero once.

>>34936633
You can change into the classes later to get the new stuff. Are you in one of the omake lines? The class changers there tell you what skills you'll get.

In plus they don't get hero, only the class feat.

>>34936743
Currently playing on the newest version of oomSESTep_NC.
Here's what I see for the scientist class change example. I presume potion throwing isn't a real skill hence why it isn't shown. However I do recall back when I class changed to Valkyrie I did see the Hero skill highlighted as a new skill I'd get.
Maybe I've just been unlucky with a 5% proc.

>>34936927
Hmm, well you can set special skill use to 100% in the strategy menu to check for sure.

However, the newest NC depends on the newest OO, which changes the class file. It's possible that might affect things too. Or it could be a coincidence.

If you want the upgraded class file, you fire up a copy of the new oo in a vanilla folder, grab the class file it generates, and copy it over to your nc's version. NC should fix it the next time you run, but you might want to back up the old class file just in case.

>>34937079
Well I feel stupid now. Had class skills enabled on page one of the strategy page but placed it at 0 on the second page. Thought they were different things.
Think I'll start class changing my pets to claymores or any other class with some cool class skills to use.
Thanks.

>>34931562
Yes.

Is there a downside to farming at home instead of a dedicated farm?

How to read and use the art.log file?

>>34832036
I wonder if there's custom holo sprites that we can use

>>34935408
Add mcHome0 on the end of the music list file. (For example, music_number.mp3 mcHome0.)

For mobile, anyone know about the Hatching Eggs objective on day 2? It says go to Shop->Lucky Egg->Incubator but I don't see a Lucky Egg option.

I forgot that item pick up after performance quest was apart of E+ and not mobile. Lost a throne, 28 lockpicks and 2 portable shelters.

>>34944963
I believe that in Plus there's a smaller chance of crops dying if planted on the field tiles in a farm.

Is Elona mobile any good? I started playing it yesterday and seems fine so far

>>34945459
Thanks for replying but it doesn't seem to do anything.

>>34945459
nvm I was being dumb>>34950461

>>34950533
No problem, Anon. I postulate that it has worked?

>>34950582
Correct.

>>34947385
It's one of Custom's tweaks, specifically.

>>34948342
From what I hear it is much closer than one would expect from Chinese mobile shit. Basically amounting to an easier vanilla with some form of pet gacha strapped on.

Even if this is true, the fact it is always online with tons of time in the future to add in even more mobile game fuckery mean I at least won't be trying it.

>take 1 step on the map
>"hohoho nigger boss here, gimme all your stuff or die!"
>short teleport outta there
>take 1 step
>"hohoho nigger boss here, gimme all your stuff or die!"
>short teleport outta there
>take 1 step
>"hohoho nigger boss here-"

>>34960610

>not killing off the bandit gangs for loot and cooking their corpses

>>34961152
I just started a new character bro, I can't do that yet.

>>34961164
>I just started a new character bro, I can't do that yet.

Better get on that then, how else are you going to turn them into flesh dolls to decorate your palace with?

How is a nospells run in Plus 1.9? I want to do a playthrough where I care more about the absurd amount of scrolls, potions and rods that can be found inside nefia.
Also, misc question: is there a way to destroy/redesign museum walls without resorting to mining? I'm not learning mining on purpose because I don't want to be tempted to use Houzanha as it's too easy to abuse to simplify things like nefia and panic quests imo.

>>34961831
>is there a way to destroy/redesign museum walls without resorting to mining?
Oh, apparently you can bring your house board. Funny how that works.

>>34961831
>How is a nospells run in Plus 1.9? I want to do a playthrough where I care more about the absurd amount of scrolls, potions and rods that can be found inside nefia.

You'll definitely want to train your Alchemy and Magic Device skills so your potions and rods aren't shit, Weight Lifting and Strength so you can carry around all those scrolls, potions, and rods. and since you're not casting spells you can wear Medium or Heavy Armor along with Shields so you're less squishy. Also Control Magic so the AoEs of your pets and zombies hurt you less, and so you can craft more powerful Megistuses and Trismegistuses.

You can spend a wish on a Present so you essentially have a reusable Chaos Eye spell that is very good at shutting down mobs with status effects, and if you have pets you can throw the Present at them to heal some of their health.

Does your starting class/race even matter? From what i understand you can just use cooking for stats and trainers for skills

>>34962499
Just pick it for the feat if playing Plus. It's pretty important in Omake from what I've read.

Is it possible to import a customized palace's design to other characters? Including furniture (I will try to provide them all) if possible.

Anyone have a link to e+ 2.03? I've been wanting to try out elonaplusone.

Yep, I'm playing Elona

>>34961831
Protip: carry your crafting tools with you so you can make items anywhere.
Also, can't you hide spacts you don't want to see? Or is that just spells?

>>34962142
That's a lot of tips at once. Thanks.
>>34963271
>Also, can't you hide spacts you don't want to see? Or is that just spells?
You can, I just don't want to have the option at all because of autism.

>>34963339
>That's a lot of tips at once. Thanks.

You're welcome, here's some more:

1. Don't forget that you can Draw Charge shitty rods you're never going to use to get yourself chargepower you can then use to add charges to rods you do want to use. Rods that are cursed/doomed will still yield their charges when eaten.

2. The Puppy Cave is an inexhaustible source of scrolls, rods, and potions that while low-level are still good enough to serve as you bread and butter when crawling dungeons and doing quests. Of course, the other crap laying around can be dumped into your shop to sell or converted to cash with your Pot of Fusion.

3. Molotovs, gasoline, and essential oils can be thrown onto an enemy to Oil it, which will make it take 75% more damage from Fire-elemental attacks, such as the firebolts from rods. Oiling enemies will also increase their evasion and physical defense, which is why you want to stick with magical fire attacks instead. Every other potion will Wet enemies instead, which makes them take 75% and 30% more damage from Cold and Lightning-elemental attacks respectively and will reveal them if they were invisible.

4. You can Oil yourself for more evasion and armor in a pinch, and it won't bite you in the ass if whatever you're fighting isn't using Fire attacks. The safest way to do so is to hit yourself with gasoline or essential oil while wearing anything that gives immunity to Confusion. You can also use the Liquid Manipulation spact to hit the entire screen (but not neutrals and pets) with gasoline/essential oil and the damage + Oil + Confusion they bring. But gasoline is better used for making Molotovs with, so collect lots of alcohol and fruit trees so you can crank out more essential oil whenever you run low.

5. Even dyes and piss can be used with Liquid Manipulation to do damage and Wet to all hostiles on the screen - it's a handy way to reveal invisible enemies. If the potion has an additional effect, such as cursed alcohol inducing vomiting, it will be applied to all targets too.

6. Get the Barrier Trait from Leold once you reach Act 2. It lets your MP take damage in place of your HP if it's at least a third of the way full. Since you're not casting spells you're pretty much tacking on another lifebar, and your pets can have Barrier too. Furthermore it lets you get away with being a race that has less Life but more Mana i.e. Lich.

7. Make Coffins of Necromancy and use them, you're going to be investing in Alchemy anyway. Spend a feat on Vampiric Ability since the Drain Blood spact it gives you lets you recover SP from those you use it on.

8. Carry a Magaqua. Being hydrated gives a bonus to SP regen, but don't skimp on your Cold and Lightning resistances.

9. Best gods to take are either Itzpalt for resistances (especially if you're a Lich with a Magaqua) and the Absorb Magic spact (so that your Barrier doesn't crap out on you) and the ability to gain favour by Offering rods to him (which can be empty of charges), or Kumiromi for the added SP regen and Alchemy.

>>34963655

10. Turn Duplicane on if you don't need the extra damage. Trash mobs aren't worth wasting perfectly good charges on and turning it off doesn't end your turn. It's particularly worthwhile with blessed rods.

11. Rods of bubble ball are your friends. The damage it does cannot be resisted, it will clear clouds/webs/flames/acid pools/mists, and it Wets enemies for followup Cold or Lightning damage. If you have spooks out it'll Wet them too, reducing the damage they take from Fire.

12. Rods of eclipse are also your friends. It's AoE darkness, meaning it can blind hordes of enemies at once, and blindness is a very good status effect to slap on enemies.

13. Rods of mana allow for more Barrier facetanking for no SP cost if you don't want to use Absorb Magic or don't want to worship Itzpalt. They also cure MP Leak.

14. Consider wearing a shield, a living weapon with all its pips put into Magic Device, and either the Shield Tonfa in your Shoot slot or, if you want access to physical damage, a strong ranged weapon. Both the Sealed Shield and Shield Tonfa in both hands will make you very, very tanky while leaving your Shoot slot free.

>>34961831
No spells tourist was my first act 3 clear funnily enough. But other anons have already hit pretty much everything so I will just say if you are going no spells anyway try a necromancer run.

The 2 skills that effect your zombie levels are anatomy and alchemy. You train alchemy by drinking potions and using duplicane with rods. So a magic device run goes super well with your zombies.

If you DO go that route there are a couple of necromancer guides in the pastebin.

Is there an "easy" way to protect my pets and myself from grenade aoe?

>>34964372
Control magic, or sound resistance.

What is the point of the Gods' Special rewards? How can I use it?

>>34965006
BDSM.

>>34965006
they're used for training the stats they lower. evasion, for example, only trains when you fail to dodge. equip the reward that lowers evasion, and you'll fail to dodge a snail, making it significantly easier, and safer, to level up

>>34966526
Sounds good! Thanks for the tip.

>>34966996
well, keep in mind I'm just regurgitating what the comments in the wiki say lol. other comments say evasion trains when you successfully evade so uh... could be wrong on which skills it's used for training. but in general, those items are for training late-game/for hard-to-train skills.

you could also technically use them on pets that don't use whatever stat's being debuffed. for example, your warriors won't care too much about having their casting skill set to 1, and would definitely enjoy the extra 50 PV the magic canceler gives

>>34956001
I wonder what else is or isn't in it. Isn't it possible for someone to data mine that info?

How does the gear progression work in this game? My pets despite 60-70 die to lvl 50 mobs. Is there a way to obtain good gear that isn't spawned in random dungeons?

Are younger sister corpses extra taboo to eat or something?
Was just cooking up some food for my allies and my T-rex turned into a younger sister after eating one. Is this reversible or did my mount just get massively nerfed just now?

>>34970458
There's a config setting in ex 7 to enable it. It's on by default, and... well you can use wishes to change it's race back.


There shouldn't be any real side effects, I think. Since they both have the horse bit, and it's actual stats don't get changed.

>>34969572
static artifacts are a thing
you can obtain some as god rewards , some can be bought for medals

I'm still in Act 1 lvl 22, I've been saving bejeweled chests since I read that you get better loot from opening it in a higher lvl dungeon. Should I be opening them now? or do I wait for higher lvl dungeons to be unlocked.

>>34976223
Ok nvm, found the answer on a post. Apparently dungeon lvl doesn't matter anymore

>>34969572
Stats matter more than levels, I'd say. Make sure to keep your pets' potentials up. (Not too hard; anytime they're carrying money and are in a town they'll usually buy training.)

>>34778382
Pastebin anon and the asshole that is taking way too fucking long on his custom 2.01 port here.

Writing a script to yank all the "this is untranslated" lines from 2.04, then either save up to pay randos on fiver to translate it or run it all through online translators and take a "best guess" how to make shit sound not awful.

However, someone recommended that before I spend money or waste time on bad translations to see if any crazy people would be willing to work for free translating it for love of the game. If it were that easy I am pretty sure custom 1.9 wouldn't have ended in machine translation but I decided to humor them.
If anyone does have too much free time on their hands for a mediocre pay off I'll likely be making a ghostbin with whatever is yanked from the decompiler code.

>>34979668
check with
>>34893889

also, an up-to-date custom port?! hell yea! was thinking about going to 2.00+, but I can't find a copy of 2.03 for E+1 anywhere. glad to hear custom will (hopefully) be updated soon

Eating vesda's corpse doesn't give you any fire res in Mobile
That's fucking gay

>>34979668
Godspeed anon, I got to act 3 for the 1st time on E+ 2.03 so I have no clue what's going on and have to stare at the wiki constantly

>>34979668
Dude that's the problem, like half of the untranslated lines AREN'T "this is untranslated". Ano copy/pasted the code for some dialogue box and only changed the Japanese text. "Huh." is common (especially in chapter 3 quest dialogue), but I know there's at least one other thing.