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A place for discussion of the works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON. Please advise in the thread if any of the links below need to be updated.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru
VN: https://mega.nz/#F!YVkkhAjQ!Ggu2BS3MDfaofporByJsFw
English patch: https://hollow-moon.github.io/
French patch: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french
Italian patch: https://riffourtranslations.wordpress.com/category/mahoutsukai-no-yoru/

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime VN
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3301601
Shingetsutan Tsukihime Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MBAACC - Community Edition
https://mega.nz/#!6FUx2C6a!L2AxbiQzPHtgRI3YPHv4NZfi2EYS9RMeNHoSp6pAcFw
Melty Blood Manga
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Kara no Kyoukai
Kara no Kyoukai Novel (Japanese)
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/奈須きのこ_空の境界/index.html
Kara no Kyoukai Novel (English)
https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Kara no Kyoukai Animated Films
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Fate
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2725572
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-5XtCxJULf4YWZfSkZKWGc2S2M
The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5943-Lord-El-Melloi-II-Case-Files
The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II Manga
https://mega.nz/folder/fQFiyY4I#UcZr7N0u3_35994pXKP8qw
Heaven's Feel Manga
https://lovehug.net/730/

>Angel Voice
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip/file
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Fate/EXTRA
https://cdromance.com/psp/fate-extra-perfect-patch-hack/
>Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver
https://mega.nz/#!aAsCybqb!WwnKiMn_HK9HqvA_myhLn5GM0yeAv8TTxyQsWWpqaGs
>Fate/strange Fake
https://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fate/type Redline
https://mangadex.org/title/44059/fate-type-redline
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/
>Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/lli17cum6jzg7/Marmalade
>Tsuki no Sango
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>Tsuki no Sango Manga
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1

>Beast's Lair
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ
>Fate/complete material II Character material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d
>Fate Franchise Lossless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Type-Moon Comic Ace
https://web-ace.jp/tmca/
>TMdict Glossary
https://www.tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc)
https://www.tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime Archives
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
>TYPE-MOON 10th Anniversary Phantasm
http://heavens-feel.com/type-moon_10_anniversary_phantasm_translation.html

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>> No.34827582

>get Tsukihime Remake
>but Miura dies and Berserk never gets finished
NO I DIDN'T WANT THIS DEAL, GO BACK, GO BACK, I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS

>> No.34828566

Newfag here, is it worth reading Tsukihime before the remake comes out?

>> No.34828666

>>34828566
Do you know how to read japanese?

>> No.34828721

>>34828666
...no

>> No.34828895

>>34827582
probably shouldn't have been milking it for 30 years

>> No.34828959

when's extra record coming out

>> No.34828973

>>34828721
Well the original is your only option then since the remake won't have a translation anytime soon.

>> No.34829098

>>34828566
Yes, it's worth it.

>> No.34829122

>>34828973
you're saying 'anytime soon' as if it's possible to fan translate console games

>> No.34829280

>>34827404
Good OP.

>> No.34829385
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>>34829280
ty

>> No.34829577

>>34829122
Well, it is possible, with a lot of effort, Ar Tonelico II got a fan retranslation and that game was only released on PS2.

>> No.34829721

>>34829577
ps2 translations are nothing new, they were translated in masses back in the day because modchips were a thing

i guess i had to say ps4 and switch games to account for your autism

>> No.34829775

>>34828973
Oh right, I didn't know that
Why are people getting excited for it then?

>> No.34829845

>>34829385
how come they didn't fuck right there

>> No.34829917
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>>34829721
Switch translations are possible though, look at this.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/wip-yo-kai-watch-1-switch-english-translation-project.577591/

>> No.34829926
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>>34829845
You wouldn't understand.

>> No.34829984

>>34829917
ok, cool, maybe it's even possible to hook yuzu with textractor and deepl it

>> No.34830060

>>34829984
I'm not sure about that, I haven't seen any text hookers for Yuzu or Ryujinx yet, and I don't think Textractor would work with it. I think the best you'll be able to do would be to use OCR software.

>> No.34830126

>>34829926
aoko is such a bitch

>> No.34830262
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34830262

>>34830126
Aoko is the inferior Aozaki sister

>> No.34830293

>>34830262
she beat you touko let it go

>> No.34830324

>>34829984
>>34830060
It should be trivial using Cheat Engine
https://mx-futhark.github.io/hook-any-text/

>> No.34830444
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34830444

>>34830126
>>34830262
ngmi

>> No.34830799

>>34830324
Huh, I guess that might work after all.

>> No.34830814

>>34830262
I think I got my fetish for women that smoke from my mom.

>> No.34830824

>>34830262
how would touko with glasses react if I grabbed her ass

>> No.34831041

>>34830824
moan erotically

>> No.34831320 [DELETED] 

>>34830262
pure sex

>> No.34831365

>>34827404
pure sex

>> No.34832217

Post one (1) picture where touko looks good

>> No.34832679
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>>34832217

>> No.34832770
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34832770

Is this supposed to be Touko? I cant tell.

>> No.34832839
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34832839

Was it ever mentioned where exactly Fate's Camelot stood?
IRL, there are two primary theories I'm aware of. One is from Le Morte d'Arthur, Malory identifies Camelot in Winchester, which is also the location many others reused since. Archeological evidence also points at a hillfort in South Cadbury, Somerset, which fits the role of potential real Camelot well in geography, size, and age.

>> No.34832859

>>34832770
Her expression is very nice

>> No.34832910

>>34832859
It is.

That makes me think its not Touko.

>> No.34833047
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>> No.34833266

what are the odds of a sacchin route? Far side seems too cramped with 3 girls already

>> No.34833276

>>34832770
Apparently it's an original work, the artist is Luen Kulo.

>> No.34833505

>>34833266
https://youtu.be/sMEuZGHbv-c
She's clearly treated differently from the original heroines.
It's time to let it go.

>> No.34833544

>>34833266
None

>> No.34833581

>>34833047
Now bend over so we can see that Noble Phantasm.

>> No.34833813

>>34833266
it's time you accept it was always a meme

>> No.34833886

Saber thought she was bad.
She was a fucking asshole in the first place.
She got knocked to the floor.

>> No.34835690
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34835690

Someone the other day was looking for a translation of info from <--- book. Found it for you ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/FGOGuide/comments/8epytu/fategrand_order_material_full_translation/

>> No.34835832

Faggot ridden franchise

>> No.34835861

>>34835832
bobba

>> No.34835887
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>>34835832
>ridden
it's Rider

>> No.34836005

>>34835887
rider ridden franchise

>> No.34836168

>>34836005
God I wish I was that franchise

>> No.34836233
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34836233

>>34827404

get a french girl like this

>> No.34836500
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34836500

Mahoyo readers how powerful of a magus is he?

>> No.34836607

>>34836233
Thanks, I think I will

>> No.34836636

>>34836500
I read mahoyo and I have no idea who this is

>> No.34837006

Where does Mahoyo sit in the hierarchy of Type-Moon works?

>> No.34837009

>>34837006
better than anything except the best part of stay night

>> No.34837390
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>>34827582

>> No.34838093

>>34837009
Looking forward to it whenever I finish FHA and Zero

>> No.34838875

>>34837390
How old is Nasu anyway? Just asking.

>> No.34838894

>>34838875
He's in his late 40s I think.

>> No.34838931

>>34838894
Not many people are able to stay productive at that age.

>> No.34838951

>>34837006
just look at the EGS reviews for opinions that aren't massively biased

>> No.34838966

>>34838931
He's a writer, that doesn't involve any mechanical skill. Writers can continue working well into their retirement, and most write their best stuff in their later years (for example, Tolkien wrote LotR in his 60s).

>> No.34839027

>>34838966
Nasu does much more than just writing. He manages his company and ips.

>> No.34839032

>>34839027
Takeuchi is the CEO.

>> No.34839060

>>34839027
No, that's Takeuchi. Nasu only does the writing and overseeing what other people write. The most intensive work he's doing in his daily life is playing Souls games.

>> No.34839153
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34839153

After the fall of Camelot, Morgan is on the island of Avalon with Aurtoria and Merlin, unable to leave. What happened to her in the Camelot singularity?

>> No.34839198

>>34839153
Saber got raped by THAT?

>> No.34839395

>>34839153
>Morgan is on the island of Avalon with Aurtoria and Merlin, unable to leave.
Isn't that like being trapped in heaven?

>> No.34839436

>>34839060
That sounds like a dream job. Is that why everyone is always mad at him, since he’s a hermit and gets to chill playing souls games all day? Is he /ourguy/ ?

>> No.34839533

>>34839436
>makes loads of cash writing chuunishit and playing souls
Im certainly jealous

>> No.34839711

>>34837006
I must admit, >>34837009 is spot on.

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>>34839395
Not for Morgan, at least in my opinion. But what happened to her in the Camelot Singularity?

>> No.34840800

>>34828566
Yes, if only because the remake won't have the Far Side routes on release. The Far Side routes are the best part about Tsukihime, especially the maid routes.

>> No.34840815

>>34828973
and the people that called dibs on translating it are terrible. just learn japanese

>> No.34840886

>>34840815
Are Mirror Moon really still terrible? You’d think around 15 years of experience would help out

>> No.34840890

>>34840886
Mirror Moon is dead, they closed up shop. The people TLing it are "Hollow Moon".

>> No.34840918

>>34840890
Is that a simple name change, or is it yet another group of rag tag 18-23 year olds with little experience?

>> No.34840935

>>34840918
It's a different group entirely. It's a group of rag tag 18-23 year olds that only one to two of them know Japanese. Their Mahotsukai TL is a double TL and they take pride in it. It's an utter joke of a group.

>> No.34840943

>>34840918
>or is it yet another group of rag tag 18-23 year olds with little experience?
Exactly that but they don't even know japanese, they're translating the french MTL of Mahoyo.
They are probably planning to just wait for an ESL TL to eventually retranslate the Tsukihime remake.

>> No.34840945

>>34840886
its a new set of people that used the name to get popularity and seem relavent

>> No.34841153

>>34840935
>>34840943
why are so many people so mad about the french to english tl

>> No.34841168

>>34841153
It's poorly done, but I would be fine and just dismiss it as another bad TL if it was just that, but they take pride in it and say it has "advantages" over a traditional TL.

>> No.34841184

>>34841168
have you even played through it

>> No.34841216

>>34841184
Mahotsukai? Yeah I own a copy and played it twice in Japanese. I've never personally sat through their "translation", nor do I want to. I've seen/heard plenty of errors and problems though. Granted they quietly fix them when they're shown, but I doubt anyone actually reading that mess anymore would bother to check.

>> No.34841295

>>34841216
>I've never personally sat through their "translation"
So basically you are just lying. Good to know that nobody who complains about it has bothered to actually see how good it is.

>> No.34841304

>>34841295
I've seen proof of their shallow translation skills and proof has been posted here before. Search the archive.

>> No.34841311

>>34841295
why are you getting so defensive anon, are you perhaps one of them? we know they lurk here

>> No.34841333

>>34841304
I suppose that's fair. But you should actually play things before complaining about them.
>>34841311
I don't think it's good either. Just stop complaining so much about something you don't care about.

>> No.34841342

>>34841295
hit a nerve apparently

>> No.34841380
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>>34841153
>why are so many people so mad about translating a translation?
gee, I wonder why

>> No.34841400

In that Bad End where Rin give Shirou amnesia, did Sakura just play along that Saber has disappeared?

"No. I think it's just your imagination, Fujimura-Sensei.
We're not forgetting anything nor are we forgetting anyone."

>> No.34841408

>>34841380
For real though, it seems like nobody who rags on it cares about how it's done or has even played through it

>> No.34841439
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34841439

reminder about hollow moon

>> No.34841480

>>34841439
I thought "trannylator" was just a meme...

>> No.34841500
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>>34830262
Based

>> No.34841953

>>34841439
So what do the other handful of people even do? Flex to all the 12 people who care about Type-Moom on Twitter about how they’re part of a TL team?

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No TL autism, no seething circlejerks, only Aoko.

>> No.34842120

>>34841400
I’d assume so, she probably wants Shirou to forget about the HGW and move on to his regular life with her in it. Given what Rin did the relationship between Shirou and Rin is probably over so Sakura can swoop in and seduce him into a relationship. Or maybe Rin mindwashed her.

>> No.34842191

Yes.

>> No.34842229

>>34841953
yes, that's like 3 times the amount of people a big TL group has. Pretty sure 90%of them are just there to shill the group.

>> No.34842384

>>34842191
yes, what?

>> No.34842396

>>34842384
I meant to tag >>34841953
Thanks Anon.

>> No.34842453
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34842453

>>34842396
no problem, have a neko arc.

>> No.34842575

>>34842229
Looking at their site, the tl looks like it'll be a disaster. It's bad enough that they are translating from French, but 5 different French translators is a disaster waiting to happen, even if all of the people doing TLC actually knew Japanese. If they all really did know Japanese, it would be easier to just translate from the original Japanese and have the French cheerlead or something.

>> No.34842631

>>34841953
>Flex to all the 12 people who care about Type-Moom on Twitter about how they’re part of a TL team?

well, mirror moon used to flex their tl to 'fan girls', now we have hollow moon flexing to trannies. keep up with the times, gramps

>> No.34842681

welp time to learn japanese...

>> No.34842688

>>34842681
I wish you luck my friend

>> No.34842728

>>34842681
Honestly weebs who don't learn japanese are just coping. You either learn japanese or get cucked for the rest of your life

>> No.34842765

>>34842728
eh, most are just lazy or don't have the time. It's quite the commitment that isn't easy to do.

>> No.34842783

>>34842728
Please stop being such a piece of shit.

>> No.34842792

>>34842728
who are you calling a weeb you microcephalic faggot?

>> No.34842800

>>34842792
seethe web

>> No.34842807

>>34842783
Or what? You gonna piss and shit yourself?

>> No.34842818
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34842818

Imagine being elitist about anime and knowing Japanese. How embarrassing.

>> No.34842829

>>34842818
It's not elitist to say a translation is trash. Learn Japanese, it's actually good for you and you can read a lot more stuff. You don't have to wait, you can see a concept and images for a LN and just go read it instead of fumbling around wondering if there's a translation or not, or reading it on some sketchy site. You don't have to be at the whim of publishers and get fucked like the Fate/Zero manga and have it end when there's only a few volumes left. Don't blame others for your own folly.

Learn. Japanese.

>> No.34842844

>>34842818
Cope.

>> No.34842851

>>34837006
>>34837009
I don't think Mahoyo is as good as HA though and HA is only second to SN.

>> No.34842858

>>34842851
makes sense, since HA is a masterpiece like FSN. You'd have to be pretty amazing to even compete with those two VN's.

>> No.34842881

>>34842829
anon...
dekinai...

>> No.34842884

>>34842818
spoken japanese is a primitive language. if it wasn't for chink kanjis, it'd be easier than korean

>> No.34842923

>>34842884
"Primitive language" is a funny idea. It's not like most people speaking any language were very literate c. 1500.

>> No.34842958

>>34840943
The french translation is not MTL though

>> No.34842968

>>34842923
what does it have to do with the modern world?

>> No.34842992

>>34842968
Languages are inherently flawed in many ways. To call some primitive is missing the point, and ignoring the advantages that other systems have.

>> No.34843033

>>34842728
I have no interest in the vast majority of Japanese things.
So I will not learn a language for a handful of untranslated things I like.
That is how most EOP's are.

>> No.34843037

>>34837006
As a whole work, it is best, in terms of peak scenes, SLH is still unbeaten.

>> No.34843203

>>34842992
you're the one missing the point here. all i'm saying, it's primitive and easy to learn if it wasn't for kanjis

>> No.34843356
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34843356

ah yes, fgo rip off nukige. there's also jeanne lookalike

>> No.34843379

>>34843356
that's literally all they do, copy paste everything and put all effort into animation and shit
it is soulless bland trash and the people who like it are the reason we have no nice things and vn's are dead

>> No.34843598

>>34843379
Are you talking about that nukige or FGO?

>> No.34843685

>>34843598
Mainly the nukige, a bit applies to FGO obviously.

>> No.34843697

>>34843598
Yes

>> No.34846196

>>34842688
thanks

>> No.34846245

>>34842829
yeah. i wanna read a lot of vns so its worthwhile investment for me

>> No.34847236

>>34842631
Gonna go kill myself, this world just got too gay for me.

>> No.34848122

>>34843356
This one's pretty good though, as far as nukige go.

>> No.34848232

>>34848122
Just because it's better than 90% of nukige does not make it any good.
Nukige is a giant iceberg of shit with the shards on top being the actually good shit.
Variety is important.

>> No.34848400

>>34848232
Well I'm enjoying it so far.

>> No.34848616

>is called BERSERKer
>special ability is God Hand

Bravo Nasu

>> No.34848905

>>34848616
wtf

>> No.34848922
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>>34848616
Surprised that nobody talks about how Lancelot is basically a ripoff of Guts in the Berserker Armor.

>> No.34849322

>>34847236
it's even gayer when you read the original, even if it was said jokingly

>Q (darkfusion): Well, I'm curious as to what was the hardest part about making the patch?

>A (Ryuusoul): I'd have to say it was the distinct lack of fangirls professing their undying
>admiration for me. TakaJun concurs very heartily. I mean, at one point, the best I had was
>Konoha (Mirioki) and Royal Knight. Their cheering did keep me motivated, though. Um...maybe
>my first FEMALE fangirl was Murky. Thank you, Murky!

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>>34842818
>using "elitist" unironically

>> No.34849983

>>34827404
>discount Rin

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>>34849983

>> No.34850195

While I wouldn't be too surprised, I'd still be disappointed if Len wasn't in the Melty Blood remake.

>> No.34850231

>>34850195
If there's no Neco-arc I'm gonna stab Nasu

>> No.34850266

>>34850231
I'd definitely stab Nasu if Kohaku got shafted just because the remake didn't include the Far Side routes yet. I don't really mind if she's a duo character with Hisui though. That would be fine with me.

>> No.34850596

>>34842818
Would movies with Arc all night.

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>>34850266
You will do nothing. Impotent rage is the only thing you are capable of.

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>>34850596
Which movie, white man?

>> No.34850696

>>34850648
blade trilogy

>> No.34850700

>>34850648
>a cool gangster movie about Taiga's family
>or Urobuchi's garbage for braindead children
That's not a very difficult choice.

>> No.34850718

>>34850700
Why does the American fanbase hate Zero?

>> No.34850741

>>34850718
Because the American fanbase was fucking ruined by Zero.

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>>34850648

>> No.34850780

>>34850718
americans are shounenfags, too dumb for a proper adult tragedy

>> No.34850796

>>34850741
Nasu and Urobuchi don't care about you defending their works and probably don't give a shit about this whole discussion. Just re-read F/SN or rewatch F/Z on loop if that's what you like so much lmao

>> No.34850798

It's been a while since I've read Kagetsu Tohya, so I'd like a refresher. What is the relationship between Arcueid and Len like? I recall Len being unable to form a contract with her because of Arc being an elemental, but I also remember Arc not really liking Len. Is that true? She seemed really dismissive of her, but they were shown together in Carnival Phantasm, so maybe I'm misremembering. Did Arc like Len?

>> No.34850817

>>34850780
>Uro: Unlike Fate/Zero, where all the main characters are older, this one has lots of cute heroines! Fate/stay night was originally conceptualized as a bishojo game, so the very individual theme of "romance" was placed at the core. It had to be written from Shirou's point of view. So then I thought, I have this really powerful core idea of all these Eiyuu (heroic spirits) engaged in a Battle Royale, so why not draw their story from multiple point of views? That's why I tried to work more main characters into Fate/Zero other than simply Kiritsugu and Kirei.

>Nasu: I had no other choice but to make Fate/stay night the way I did for that bishojo game format. That was one of the reasons why I once said to Urobuchi, "I don't think I can make bishojo games anymore." The more you pour both what the author wants to draw and romance elements that will excite the users into a work, the more distant they get from each other... that was my dilemma. I think Fate/stay night does lack that "battle royale" atmosphere, but I really wanted to make it a work that would make the users want to get to know Saber and Rin better, or cuddle with Sakura.

>> No.34850848

>>34850796
What does that have to do with anything?

>> No.34850862

>>34850780
I've seen tokusatsu shows with more adult tragedy than Zero.

>> No.34850879

>>34850848
he's american, please ignore him

>> No.34850880

>>34850798
Arc liked Len, but Len couldn't be her familiar, so she ended up sticking with Shiki.

>> No.34850900

>>34850862
doesn't change the fact that only shounenfags hate zero

>> No.34850924

>>34850900
I hate Zero, and I don't watch shounen. In my opinion, Zero was so obsessed with being "mature" that it looped around to being juvenile. Fate/stay night was a far more balanced novel.

>> No.34850968

>>34850924
>Zero was so obsessed with being "mature"

Examples?

Nasu himself does imply Zero is a serious work over FSN.

>Nasu: I told Aniplex's producer that I wanted the Fate/Zero novels turned into an anime. It was a good suggestion. Many anime fans want there to be a lot of cute bishoujo characters in the work, and while they work hard to meet those needs, Iwakami, an important producer at Aniplex, wasn't satisfied just by doing that. I suggested that he tackle Fate/Zero, a dark and serious story full of raw emotion. He had the resolve, and that's how they ended up adapting Fate/Zero.

>> No.34850984

>>34850862
>adult tragedy

But this also describes Heaven's Feel. In fact, Zero was written in a way that was primarily influenced by Heaven's Feel. In many ways, Heaven's Feel is much darker and more emotional than Zero. Sure UBW is very shonen manga-esque, but if you prefer Zero, then chances are that you'll love Heavens Feel.

>> No.34851028

>>34850924
>I hate Zero, and I don't watch shounen

so you're just a waifufag. case closed

>> No.34851033

>>34850968
>Examples?
Gilles and his buttbuddy. People wearing black fucking suits like they're on a perpetual funeral, even though it serves no practical purpose. And so on.
>Nasu himself does imply Zero is a serious work over FSN.
You've been posting this quote multiple times at this point. Serious != mature.
>>34851028
>you're just a *insert buzzword here*
That's why people hate zeroniggers.

>> No.34851077

>Americans seething about Zero again

Why are they like this?

>> No.34851099

>>34851077
Not a burger, but I don't like F/Z. Fuck that miseryfest.

>> No.34851116

>>34850984
my only problem with HF is school kids main characters, and i just can't take school kids tragedies seriously when all of them act like chuuni retards. sure, HF is darker and edgier than the rest, but it would be a lot more interesting if it was structured like stephen king's IT, when characters reunite during their adulthood and face something they haven't finished years ago. just my opinion of course

>> No.34851177

>>34851033
>People wearing black fucking suits like they're on a perpetual funeral, even though it serves no practical purpose

what's your problem? you hate women in sharp suits? are you gay or something?

>> No.34851179

>>34850984
>if you prefer Zero, then chances are that you'll love Heavens Feel
Certainly true for me. I like Zero, and I love Heaven's Feel.

>> No.34851185

>>34851177
And that's how it looped around to being juvenile.

>> No.34851250

>>34851185
it looped around on you being a gay waifufag. you'd probably let your waifu saber have MANA TRANSFER with shirou, just because you're such a nice guy

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>>34851250

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Please stop, it's way too early for an autistic meltdown

>> No.34851473

Please continue, it's always time for an autistic meltdown

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>> No.34851761

How do I enjoy HA? I dunno why I can tolerate KT's fanservice yet I'm cringing everytime Shirou gets involved with the female cast.

>> No.34851809

>>34851761
Mute his voice acting.

>> No.34851883

>>34851809
Sugiyama ain't the issue.

>> No.34852022

>>34850900
>doesn't change the fact that only shounenfags hate zero
The only people who defend zero are retarded teenagers and manchildren who lack the ability to interact with a work beyond the most superficial elements and associate "dark" with "mature"

>> No.34852089

>>34852022
>shounenfag screeching

>> No.34852101

>>34852089
based retard

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Thoughts?

>> No.34852314

>NOOOO STOP LIKING THINGS I DONT LIKE

>> No.34852390

>>34852195
Is that supposed to be Gore Magala cosplaying as caster?

>> No.34852463

>>34851883
He certainly was for me. I could never get into Shirou's mindset with his voice in the background.

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Aokoposters prove you have read entirely mahoyo or completed main story. And in my case I didn't

>> No.34852747

>>34852647
candy-looking hair

>> No.34852788

>>34852022
>>34850900
>entire point of Kiritsugu's end in Zero was him realizing his mindset and the way he lived his life were fucking awful and did nothing but render him miserable
>in Fate near the end Saber explains how Kiritsugu put her sheath inside Shirou after the explosion to save his life
>awry sense of altruistic duty
>he wants to become like the Kiritsugu he looked up to as a child, the problem is that wasn't the real Kiritsugu. He realizes he's chasing an impossible ideal in two of the routes, UBW and HF. He plows forward anyway in the former and in the latter he explicitly rejects it, but continues to pursue it
>really nice and gentle to everyone around him and really cherished his friends and let them take the spotlight despite him also having big dreams
>handyman
>brave
>live in a big-ass mansion from Raiga Fujimura
>genuinely nice guy
>hates alarm clocks
>having to let those kids die in Fate (big deal, since those are the people he wanted to save back in the fire), accepting that trying to save people is nearly impossible in UBW, or important people vs the rest in HF
>terrified of Sakura being involved with the HGW in Fate/UBW route
>he risk his life every night creating an artificial magical circuit out of his nervous system
>halfway point of HF is when he finally starts making decisions for himself instead of going with the flow and living in his step father's shadow.
>in Mind of Steel, adequately narrated by Kotomine as he supresses the urge to laugh maniacally as Shirou goes down the good ole misery and self-loathing route
>point of him choosing to save Sakura, a person he cared about, showed that he was transcending Kiritsugu's cold hearted way of thinking and moved onto something greater

One of main themes of HF is what defines good and evil. Shirou states that he doesn’t give a damn about justice and evil after abandoning his ideals when he talks to Kirei. He also calls out Shirou’s hypocrisy by stating that he truly can’t be good if he’s protecting a murderer. His ideal was never truly tested in such a human way before that it confuses Shirou. How can he even think about being a hero when the person he considers family was abused and never saved by anyone? Shirou loses more than he gains and that’s fine. Nearly every character loses in someway and are beyond redemption. Still, Shirou still wants to save those he loves. Even if he’s betrayed everything, he wants to save those he loves. Even if Shirou and Sakura are bad people, they can still try and take responsibility for what they’ve done and help those that need help.

HF and Zero > UBW

>> No.34852805

>>34852647
I think aoko is a bitch

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>>34852788

>> No.34852881

>>34852647
i will post my comptia aoko certification later tonight.

>> No.34852923

>>34852788
UBW is peak fate though

>> No.34852959

>>34852923
UBW is the fate zero of FSN

>> No.34852968

>>34852959
explain further

>> No.34852976

>>34852968
Shallow trash brainlets like for the flashy action scenes and superficial "cool"

>> No.34852992

>>34852976
>the flashy action scenes and superficial "cool"
literally hf

>> No.34852995

>>34852647
pants

>> No.34853066

>>34852788
Well said anon. Except Shirou and Sakura are not bad people. They're both damaged people, both of them in specific ways that compliment each other perfectly. They may think they're bad people, but that's not true.

Sakura was manipulated into doing the bad things that she did, and she wasn't even in full control of herself for the worst of them. The crushing guilt she feels at the end is proof that she's not a bad person.

And Shirou didn't really do anything bad. He prioritized the person he loves over the faceless masses, but that's something all of us do every day. That's human nature, and it's proof that Shirou is moving past his PTSD-born heroic autism.

>> No.34853084

>>34853066
>The crushing guilt she feels at the end is proof that she's not a bad person.
I'm not sure that's how it works

>> No.34853132

>>34853084
If you want to know what a bad person really is give all the "good" people in the world Sakura and the shadow's power and see what happens.

>> No.34853152

>>34853084
A good person who has done bad things will feel guilt about them.

A bad person who has done bad things will be proud of them.

It's that simple, anon.

>> No.34853159

>>34853152
german soldiers who felt bad about ww2 were still sentenced during the nuremberg trials

>> No.34853181

>>34853159
I wasn't aware the Nuremberg trials were the final arbiter of who's a good and who's a bad person.

>> No.34853187

>>34853181
I wasn't aware you were

>> No.34853217

>>34853187
At least I'm now aware you're a retard.

>> No.34853236

>>34853217
I accept your concession

>> No.34853311

>>34852976
seething sabercuck

>> No.34853361

>>34853159
german soldiers weren't sentenced to anything during the nuremberg trials, only high ranking nazi officials

also, as a matter of fact none of them admitted themselves guilty

>> No.34853573

>>34851761
Why? He’s not cringy like Shiki is and isn’t in random fan service moments like Shiki was with Hisui. He’s a pretty tame guy that acts like the straight man at times. He’s generally inoffensive in HA.

>> No.34853586

>>34853573
>He’s not cringy like Shiki is

What's wrong with Shiki?

>> No.34853597

>>34853573
I find Shiki a lot less cringey than Shirou, at least Shiki wasn’t allergic to women

>> No.34853626

>>34836500
He is not one, he is just their teacher.

>>34836636
He is literally the second character to appear in the game, a pretty forgetable nonetheless

>> No.34853674

>>34853586
Sorry, meant to say that he’s put in cringy fan service moments like going to steal panties and is put into more generally hijjnks in KT which I wasn’t a fan of at times. Shirou doesn’t resort to that kind of thinking which I appreciate more as I’m a bit older and can’t really tolerate that stuff. Shiki is fine and cooler than Shirou since he hangs out and does fun stuff with Arihiko. Shirou is just a good dude that I respect.

>> No.34854006

>>34852788
tl;dr

>> No.34854072

>>34853626
oh the teacher who aoko seethes at? I completely forgot about him

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>>34854072
understandable, have a nice day.

>> No.34854235

>>34854176
those shoulders do nothing for alice

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>>34854235
They make her cuter though... Puffy sleeves ftw

>> No.34854579

>>34854375
I want to poke her puffy shoulder things.

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>>34852805
You are right.

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>> No.34854932

Using Aoko's mage card to splurge with Touko!

>> No.34854953

>>34854793
where does the stocking end and where do the shoes begin bitch

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>>34854953
It’s like Jotaro’s hat, a true mystery.

>> No.34854995

>>34854953
magic

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>>34854910

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Jeanne Alter became sort of a meme over the years, but I still find the idea of an "angry" Jeanne very interesting. We're told that Jeanne has no anger inside so she can't become an Alter, but she definitely has damn good reasons to hate people who burned her alive out of sheer spite. Besides, in contemporary literature, Jeanne was often described as hot-tempered and sharp-tongued with soldiers (which is expected, you don't fire people up by preaching to them all day). So many fans might not take her seriously, with all the fanservice going on, but Jeanne Alter is a side of Jeanne that definitely needs to exist, or she becomes far too one-dimensional for such an important historical figure.

>> No.34855059

>>34855048
john ogre

>> No.34855060

>>34855048
I just think she's hot and has some nice doujins

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>>34855045

>> No.34855085

>>34855048
>such an important historical figure.
she's a cheerleader

>> No.34855118

>>34855045
Yes they are adorable but don't forget the amount of work that Rin and Shirou also had to put in to save her.

>> No.34855127

>>34855118
never heard of them

>> No.34855137

>>34855085
She played a key role in the later Hundred Years' War, who knows what would've happened to France without her. So her importance to French history can hardly be overstated.

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>>34855118
Now why would anyone ever forget that anon?

>> No.34855253

>>34855137
France could technically have lost, which would be interesting. England was by far the lesser power, even at their strongest they didn't have a numbers advantage. But France would probably win regardless, though their final borders may end up being much more odd

>> No.34855361

>>34855220
Because we see more pictures of purple and purple.

>> No.34855380

>>34855048
She and the OG Jeanne are nothing but FGO waifus so her being one-dimensional won’t change.

>> No.34855409

omfg

>> No.34855444

>>34855220
Not that there is anything wrong with purple and purple.

>> No.34855481

>>34855409
What?

>> No.34855535

>>34855481
misfire for reddo sokkusu

>> No.34855634

>>34855535
What??

>> No.34855790

>>34855634
That post was meant for the reddo sokkusu thread but I am drunk.

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>>34851751

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>>34852647
blue

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>>34852805
>>34854793
>>34854932
ngmi

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1 carnival phantasm arc
2 rinface
3 helena
4 illya
5 saberface

>> No.34856510

>>34856242
so you mean rin and the sumerians

>> No.34856701

Do you think TM will announce anything for Mahoyo next year given that’s it’s the 10th anniversary? They like to announce stuff for anniversaries so I wouldn’t be surprised if they made an HD version or just reprinted it. It’s also TM’s 20th anniversary next year so I’d expect some big announcements next year for TM. Tsuki got announced for the 20th anniversary of Tsukihime so anything’s possible.

>> No.34856707

>>34856242
bad opinion

>> No.34856780

>>34856701
If you'd asked this this time last year I might have laughed at you, but since Tsukire got announced I'm filled with nothing but hope for the future. I could see Mahoyo being released on consoles or something. As for Mahoyo sequels however, it depends on how far in development the far side routes are.

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>>34852647
a way better itteration of 'coming of age' type of character than Rin. Everything about Aoko felt more real and had more weight. Lineage,schoolife,fear of losing yourself,aknowledging your true feelings

not saying that Rin is bad but Aoko is just vastly superior.

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>>34856780
Are Far Side routes a sure thing, or is it dependant on sales of the Near Side routes?

>> No.34857875

>>34857838
The wording of Nasu/Takeuchi's answers in the TM Ace interview implies they're in development.

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>>34857875
Thanks for the info. Even if the remake Far Side routes suck, they'll at least advertise the original Far side routes. Tsukihime seems like a passion project to me, so if it does suck, I can at least believe it won't be for lack of trying.

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>> No.34858553

>>34856701
No. Cause not no one not even Nasu cares about Mahoyo

>> No.34858584

>>34858510
sauce

>> No.34858616

>>34858584
Check the usual place

>> No.34858617

I haven't finished Akiha's route or Arc's route but have read the rest. Can I move on to KT?

>> No.34858628

>>34858616
newfag here...

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>>34858617
oh wait nevermind

>> No.34858838

>>34858617
Anon, why would you think that is even remotely ok?

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>> No.34858865

>>34858628
Try pixiv

>> No.34858885

>>34858617
I guess you can skip Arc's route and just do Ciel's, but I can't imagine skipping Akiha route before doing Kohaku's route.

>> No.34858907

>>34858885
the order I went with is ciel > hisui > kohaku
I haven't finished Akiha's yet. Haven't even started Arc's.

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>>34856805
based
>>34856701
Hopefully, a console release is a no brainer.
>>34858553
i reject your opinion

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>>34858854
pls beat me up

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>>34856780
Thanks for the optimistic answer. With the announcement of Tsuki R it seems like TM is finally able to announce stuff that's not FGO related so I also have hope for the future for them. I do expect a new release edition, but I do hope for a tease for Mahoyo 2 that can be worked on down the line while Tsuki Far side is released before it since they seem to be working on that as Tsuki R is probably done already and they can re-use assets so it should come out in a year or two. I doubt Mahoyo 2 will be a thing, but it can happen at this rate. I also don't want to be strung along for years like with Tsuki R so I'm not sure I'd want that. I also have grim memories of the original Mahoyo getting delayed so many times.

>> No.34859657

>>34859526
Tsukihime remake technically is fgo related

>> No.34859714

>>34859657
not really? Nasu says it plants the seeds for ideas like the evil of humanity and beasts. I doubt Tsukihime will deal with any of those issues and have anything related to FGO in the main story. It'll probably be talked about in exposition towards lore, but nothing important.

>> No.34859743

>>34859714
It's going to have a lot more time for exposition. And obviously the Dead Apostles will be reworked, so who knows

>> No.34859837

>>34859743
You have a right to be concerned with Nasu's autism going overboard with the reworking of DAA's being super strong now so yeah more time for exposition and talking about the world being destroyed. Hope it doesn't get crazy like FGO. That is something to be worried about.

>> No.34859883

>>34855048
Shes one dimensional either way.

>> No.34860230
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>>34855380
If there's anyone to blame, it that hack Higashide. Jeanne is a perfect character for a Fate story, a simple peasant girl who rose to the challenge and became one of the most famous people in history. There's a lot to unpack, and if Nasu was writing her, he would've definitely found a ton of things to tell.
Maybe one day, someone would do her justice.

>> No.34860274

>>34860230
>Maybe one day, someone would do her justice.

there's like one hundred jeanne doujinshis

>> No.34860326

>>34860274
I mean a serious character study, like Saber and F/SN, or Nero and F/E.

>> No.34860404

>>34860230
>someone would do her justice
Didnt the english already do that?

>> No.34860416

>>34860326
>Nero and F/E

>> No.34860424

>>34860416
F/E and CCC spent a ton of time discussing Nero's character, and you have a very solid understanding of her by the end of it.

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I'm trying to do a batch machine translation on Mahoyo but Translator++ freezes when reading the last .ks file. Any idea how to fix it or if there's a different program I can use?

>> No.34860720

>>34860230
Mark Twain already did that and no one at Type Moon will do better than he did when talking about Jeanne.

>> No.34861143

>>34858660
Does anyone have a prebuilt/prepatched Kagetsu Tohya with widescreen?

>> No.34861161
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>>34860416
>>34860424
Why does F/E and CCC get so much hate from this general?

>> No.34861254

>>34861161
Because they're bad

>> No.34861255

>>34860595
Try punching yourself in the kidneys until you start peeing red.

>> No.34861728

>>34861255
Didn't work. I started pissing blue.

>> No.34861744

>>34861161
Because they're not the original novels, and some people are allergic to anything that's not the original novels.

>> No.34861766

>>34861728
Call NERV then, they might be interested in that.

>> No.34861882
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>>34861744
Nasu's magnum opus was F/E CCC.

Here's the end credits for CCC also, saying Nasu is the main scenario and sub scenario writer.

>> No.34861891

>>34861161
Having recently played Extra the writing leaves much to be desired. The lack of charcter development and my general disinterest in most of the charcters made it a slog to play through. The OST and some moments were good at least.

>> No.34861916

>>34861891
>Nasu: Servants are thematically bad in Fate, they're part of the past, you have to let them go.
>Also Nasu: Here are servant endings for CCC, and also here's Extella where the whole point is that servants stay around forever

Bravo Nasu

>> No.34861923

>>34861882
imagine typing this post with a straight face

>> No.34861931

>>34861916
Poor Medea, she's a victim of Nasu's early autism.

>> No.34861975

>>34861916
Well Extella was after FGO which had already contradicted that but whatever. At least the town of Fuyuki got its end in F/HA so who cares what happens next in Fate.

>> No.34862038

>>34861975
Reminder that after Nasu wrote Kara no Kyoukai, Tsukihime/MB and FSN/FHA he mellowed out and just wants to write Extra and FGO

>When I wrote Kara no Kyoukai, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).

>4Gamer: Is there anything else you would like to share?

>Nasu: I can’t reveal anything concrete yet at the moment, but rest assured that we’ve been making progress on various titles within TYPE-MOON. I’d like to apologize about not having anything to say right now. But all I can say is that as long as FGO is in service, I just have to make the Tsukihime R collaboration a dream come true.

>4Gamer: !

>Nasu: That’s why I feel that producing good content for FGO and releasing Tsukihime R are the duties entrusted to me and all of TYPE-MOON. After all, I also want to see SSR Arcueid Brunestud happen!

Nasu likes CCC a lot and mentioned that he had a lot of freedom while writing it. In an interview last year, he even states that Extra Remake is in the list of "things that must be done by Nasu Kinoko when he's still alive".

>> No.34862125

>>34862038
It makes sense since he’s now a rich guy that doesn’t have to struggle like he used to when he was young and the era of edgy urban LNs has passed. I’m fine with the Extra remake as it could use a better script and fleshing out of charcters but the remake seems more like a Nino project than a Nasu one so I’m not sure how involved he’s with the remake. Here’s hoping he wants to be done with FGO and write more Tsuki and Melty stories instead.

>> No.34862208

I was watching this video and it made me find out that Lancer's VA also voiced Guts in this game, I wonder why they replaced him, I think he was pretty good for the role.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU94Xs8sr2Q

>> No.34862219

Anyone else dislike how disjointed all the characters in Fate are, everyone is just kind of there for the ride, whereas in Tsukihime all the major characters are connected and have some kind of personal stake in what's going on?

>> No.34862290

>>34862219
For what game are you talking about? I feel the opposite as FSN has you spent more time with the charcters in the story and they at least have some part to play while Tsukihime has major charcters like Arc just disappear in some routes. I will agree that Rin is mainly in it for the ride in the Fate route but Shirou has some stake in the story as he wants to stop the grail war while Shiki’s goals are a bit disjointed as he isn’t like Shirou in wanting to help protect others or the town.

>> No.34862296

>>34862219
I don't really feel that way about it.

>> No.34862303

>>34862290
What were Shiki's goals again?

>> No.34862320

>>34862303
rape and kill

>> No.34862390

>>34861931
Whats better, well written tragedy or shittily written happy endings?

>> No.34862422

>>34861916
>they're part of the past, you have to let them go.
>but Rider gets to stay though
Ok Nasu

>> No.34862435

>>34862390
Others got a happy ending in F/SN. Medea didn't.

>> No.34862448

>>34862435
Well, most people didnt get happy endings in fate, really its just Shirou + whoever the routes fuckbuddy is for each route.

>> No.34862506

>>34862448
Rin gets a happy ending in all routes. And there should have been a Caster route.

>> No.34862532

>>34861916
>>Nasu: Servants are thematically bad in Fate, they're part of the past, you have to let them go.
Did he ever say that? Saber stays around in UBWs good end, and Rider stays around in HF. Every servant is there for HA, and the endgame of FSN was reunification with Saber.
FSN never had a message of "letting the past die".

>> No.34862564

>>34862506
>Rin gets a happy ending in all routes
I know, its a travesty. But most people dont share that contrivance, and generally just die outside their route.

>And there should have been a Caster route.
Should there?

I wouldn't mind one, but I think you would have to contrive or change quite a lot to have it work and not just kinda crap on her story in the other routes.

Mind I think theres probably a decent story to tell there if you did it right, and that she could have some interesting interactions with shirou, but some of it would kinda just be a retread of HF and having her be the heroine would feel kinda weird unless the setup was changed rather significantly.

>> No.34862567

>>34862303
Living a normal life.

>> No.34862646

>>34862303
raping his maid

>> No.34862716

>>34862564
>But most people dont share that contrivance
Poor Sakura.

>unless the setup was changed rather significantly.
Yeah, the setup would have to be changed significantly. I'd see it working similarly to the near-side/far-side split in Tsuki. Caster doesn't care about the grail war, she wants to cheat it entirely. Rule Breaker also allows her to recruit someone like Lancer who didn't really get the spotlight. The story would have been very different with her as the main heroine.

>> No.34862735

>>34862716
>Rule Breaker also allows her to recruit someone like Lancer who didn't really get the spotlight.

Nasu wrote this in F/UC

>> No.34862755

>>34862735
>F/UC
What's this?

>> No.34862983

>>34862755
Unlimited Codes I think.

>>34862716
>The story would have been very different with her as the main heroine.
I agree, but I dont think its for the reasons you suggested (or at least the way I understood it)

While caster has no need to win the HGW for some grand purpose, she still does need/want the grail itself, shes still on board with the holy grail war even if has the ability to fuck with it thanks to her noble phantasm and magical ability. The big change would (beyond the difference her skillset could make if used differently) would be in the setup, since a bunch of the leadup events would have to be different for her and shirou to end up together.

If I had to try and figure out a way for it to happen I would imagine it would involve Shirou being the one to run into her rather than Kuzuki, and unknowingly getting involved with the HGW when he tries to help her. And from there you would have the slow lead-in to the whole shebang as shirou slowly comes to learn just what hes involved in while caster tries to keep him safe by keeping him in the dark about much of it, also because shes not particularly proud of the things she does in the HGW.

>Someone like lancer
That could be cool, although he gets some cool bits in UBW. Honestly i'm kinda interested in what you could do with Kojirou more, hes kinda one dimensional, but his obsession and dedication to his craft could have some neat parallels to shirou's ideals. He is also after all just some autistic weirdo who through pure dedication ended up on the same playing field as legends.

>> No.34863072

>>34862983
This idea makes me wish for a version of FSN where Shirou learns about all of the servants, and gets his own idea of heroism from each culture.

>> No.34863079

>>34862983
>she still does need/want the grail itself
Not in the way the others do though. The others have to go out, find and defeat all other servants to win. Caster doesn't. She can hack the grail from the safety of her own home. This route would have been a more defensive one, as Shirou wouldn't have to go out each night. And with Sasaki, Saber and maybe Lancer at her side she'd have access to enough firepower to give even Gil pause.

I can see the route starting as you said, with Shirou running into her instead of Kuzuki. Medea plotting in secret while Shirou being a white knight slowly melts her heart, a confrontation in the middle when Shirou learns the truth, and a final battle where others attack her to stop her from claiming victory instead of Shirou and co going on to attack someone to stop them.

>> No.34863180
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Does anyone have the sprite for this specific scene?

>> No.34863182

>>34863072
Thats an idea. Alternatively we could get some thoughts about how a lot of the older heroes like Gilgamesh dont fit Shirou's ideals of heroism

>>34863079
>She can hack the grail from the safety of her own home.
True, but she still needs the other servants gone at the end of the day.

>I can see the route starting as you said, with Shirou running into her instead of Kuzuki. Medea plotting in secret while Shirou being a white knight slowly melts her heart, a confrontation in the middle when Shirou learns the truth
Heres what I wonder. How would the route differentiate itself from HF? What would Shirou's arc be that isnt done in a different route?

>> No.34863317

>>34863182
>True, but she still needs the other servants gone at the end of the day.
That's the thing. She doesn't. As soon as she hacks the grail she wins, even if she hasn't killed a single servant. The others need her gone, but she couldn't care less. That alone is a major difference with the other routes.

>How would the route differentiate itself from HF?
You mean thematically? True, it'd be pretty similar, but then again Shirou's arc in FATE and UBW aren't that different either. He keeps pursuing his self-destructive Hero of Justice ideals in both of them. Why not have two routes where he rejects them?

And there would be differences too. Sakura kept suffering and was manipulated into doing the bad things she did until she finally snapped. She wasn't in full control of herself. Medea would be. She would have done everything on purpose, realizing exactly what the consequences of her actions would be, and Shirou accepting that would have been an interesting arc as well.

>> No.34863613

>>34863317
>She doesn't
Im pretty sure she still does. She needs the power of the grail, even if she can bypass the "interface", she still needs it filled up with all the energy to have her access matter, and for that servants need to die.

>True, it'd be pretty similar, but then again Shirou's arc in FATE and UBW aren't that different either.
True, so what would be the semantic difference? UBW has shirou be a hero like in Fate but just do it worse. So what would be the difference between this and HF?

>She wasn't in full control of herself. Medea would be.
Thats true, but Sakura also went quite a bit beyond what Caster does even as a villain, and Caster would probably go even less far in a route where shes the heroine and has Shirou around.

I could see the arc being something like "shirou is confronted with injutice and decide on whether his job as a hero is to protect the most (numerically) or the most injured (in terms of "I was wronged") or something. Idk, her thing is basically a less extreme sakura.

>> No.34864292

>>34862303
Living honestly, which is a lot harder than it sounds with all of his conflicting desires.

>> No.34864338

>>34863613
>she still needs it filled up with all the energy to have her access matter, and for that servants need to die.
Not really. The Grail needs mana to be filled. Souls are a convenient source of mana, but that's not necessarily Servant souls. Servant souls are just more powerful. That's why Zouken had Sakura eat people, and that's why Medea's original plan was to bypass the war entirely and kill everyone in the city to fill it. And I Caster Route Medea might even figure out a way that doesn't involve killing people and draining them of their souls to do it.

>UBW has shirou be a hero like in Fate but just do it worse. So what would be the difference between this and HF?
The difference between HF and the Caster Route would be similar to the difference between UBW and FATE.

>her thing is basically a less extreme sakura.
Intent matters. Sakura never intended to do any of the bad things she did, the final confrontation has Shirou bring her back from the brink of despair, and the epilogue has her learn to overcome the crushing guilt over the things she did. Medea would have none of that. She fully intends to do those things, the final confrontation wouldn't be with her dark side as the villain because she has no dark side, and she would feel no guilt in the aftermath. Saying she's "a less extreme Sakura" means ignoring everything that's actually important about their personalities and their circumstances just to focus on superficial similarities in their actions.

>> No.34864446

>>34864338
>and that's why Medea's original plan was to bypass the war entirely and kill everyone in the city to fill it
I dont remember that if I'm honest. As far as I remember her plans were to just win the grail war, albeit through underhanded means. It's why in the fate route where shes left alone to do as she pleases for most of the route she just stocks up on mana and then tries to steal/beat saber.

>> No.34864550

>>34862219
Eh, more are definitely just there for the ride or just happen to be summoned in Fate (Lancer, both Assassins, Rin Tohsaka, Berserker, etc), but Fate happens to incorporate all of the characters introduced in the first route into all of the routes in some way, leaving any exclusive characters for the last playable route so it feels less like they got shafted from the rest of the VN and more like "a new challenger appears". In Tsukihime, Arc doesn't have much of a personal stake in the Far Side routes, so she's written out. You could argue that technically she does, but finding and killing Roa is less of a priority since she's never weakened and more like something she simply does on auto pilot. It's kind of weird for such a prominent heroine to disappear for half of the game, and even moreso when she's the eponymous character, unless I'm missing something.

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>>34864446
No, her plan was to store enough mana to bruteforce a grail manifestation and hijack it without needing to fight at all. Stealing Saber was because she wanted a knight when the other servants would come to stop her. And because she wanted to dress Saber up.

>> No.34864617

>>34864569
At that point the two remaining servants she knew about were lancer and saber, with saber being the stronger of the two.

The reason she needs saber normally is to deal with berzerker, but hes already dead by that point.

>> No.34864628

I don't understand why people like Medea. She's the blandest servant of the original cast and not a very interesting character overall. Her design is nice I guess, but it hardly carries her past other Servants.
Sure, their weird relationship with Kuzuki is curious, but it's not substantial. In the end, she was just a mid-point boss.

>> No.34864884

>>34864628
because she's female? i'm not gay to beat my meat to herc or gill like you do, homo

>> No.34865070

Ok, yesterday I finished HA with the Bazett eclipse scene. What is actually canon in Hollow Ataraxia?
Does real Caren know about everything that happened in the dreamworld? Does Caren know that Kirei is her father? So at least Saber, Rider and Lancer are still there outside the dreamworld, what about the other servants? Are all the eclipse scenes canon?

>> No.34865118

>>34864628
Because she has more going on as a character than most of the other servants with the exception of like EMIYA and Saber?

>> No.34865167

bros I think Nasu might actually be retarded

>> No.34865214

>>34864338
>Intent matters.
As does what is actually done and why.
Not to mention that caster isnt exactly overjoyed at how shes ended up, her "I am an evil witch" thing isnt her proudest moment, but is rather a regrettable situation she has been forced into due to necessity and mistreatment.

>> No.34865275

>>34863182
>>34863317
>>34863613
What if the arc is about "what does it mean to be a hero who saves people"?

Basically the opposite of kiritsugu, who technically saved lots of people in terms of raw numbers, but saved only one person (if you can call Shirou saved) on a personal level. "A hero must still remain human if he wants to actually offer salvation" or something.

On a more concrete level, I dont think you can have it play out like HF, since a large part of that route is that Shirou does value some lives more than others, and someone he would have just recently met wouldnt fall into the former category.

>> No.34865422

>>34865118
Does she though? Herk is tied to Illya, other Servants are main characters. You could argue that Cu doesn't have much going for him either, but he has ties to Kirei. Medea, meanwhile, is tied to Kuzuki, who is a complete non-character, and her personality is "an evil witch in love with some guy", it doesn't ever go beyond that. Even for a waifu, her design without the ominous coat is pretty plain.
I know she has her fans, I just don't get where exactly they're coming from.

>> No.34865445

>>34865422
I don't have a problem with Medea, but I really think Kuzuki is a shit character. How did Nasu get away with it?

>> No.34865481

>>34865445
ordinary looking teacher with superpowers is a really popular trope in japan, just like something weird happening at school during nighttime

>> No.34865725

>>34865445
My guess is that he simply didn't have time to develop Caster's Master. He wanted to put some fun spin on a battle with Caster, so he turned her Master into a professional killer embued with Caster's magical energy. Every Servant has a twist, and this was Caster's twist. However, the story didn't allow any screentime for Kuzuki at all, so we ended up with a really damn silly Saturday morning cartoon villain who simply barges in and starts destroying everyone until it's time to kick the bucket.

>> No.34865872

>>34865422
>Herk is tied to Illya
And still has nothing going for him beyond "well hes not actually entirely mindless, isnt that neat", his genuine affection for illya is the one thing he has beyond being a raging monster.
Cu meanwhile is just a jerk/cool guy who likes fighting people, him being tied to a more interesting character does nothing for him.

>>34865445
I don't think he has enough screentime to be able to receive a proper classification, seriously hes in like one route for half of it if that, what little he gets is fine imo, its just theres not much of it.

>> No.34866079

>>34865070
>what about the other servants?
I think every servant is still there.

>> No.34866581

>>34865070
Nasu was once asked this question, and he responded with the famous "Don't think too hard about it".

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How true is this?

>> No.34866652

>>34866629
Ushiwakamaru worships only two things - her brother and her Master's dick.

>> No.34866674

>>34866629
Please do not post things like this again.

>> No.34866822

>>34866629
Go back.

>> No.34866833

>>34865070
>Does real Caren know about everything that happened in the dreamworld
Whereas everyone else vaguely remembers their experiences, Caren is the exception, because unlike everyone else, she wasn't there originally and is just sending a part of herself into the 'dreamworld' in place of where Kirei would originally be... but then you have the eclipse epilogue in which she seems to remember avenger so who knows.
>Does Caren know that Kirei is her father?
Yes.
>So at least Saber, Rider and Lancer are still there outside the dreamworld, what about the other servants?
If the flashback scene with Kuzuki and Caster is to be considered a glimpse of the same continuity's past, then Kuzuki's dead at least, and so is Caster if she didn't find a new master.
Really though, it doesn't actually matter. It's just the result of a 5th grail war that we'll never see
>Are all the eclipse scenes canon?
If you want. The epilogue's definitely canon at least.

>> No.34867189

>>34865070
It’s best to think of HA like a singularity from FGO and Caren as a copy of the original person that went into the HA world. It seems like the Jem sword explosion is a real event that happened which set things off. I believe that HA is a new timeline from FSN that’s a world that has all of the servants alive. Caren lost her memories of what happened in HA but I feel that she gets a small lingering feeling of wanting to visit Fuyuki in a spiritual sense. She’d probably be curious about what her other self is experienced in the HA dreamworld so her going to the real Fuyuki is inevitable. I like to think of HA as a separate timeline from FSN which explains all of the things that would be hard to explain what happened there.

>> No.34867422

>>34866674
>>34866822
Cry

>>34866629
I've heard it said you have the most fun playing something you are not. That said if this is their first time, it makes sense they play something their familiar with irl.

Also Ceasar playing anything with a high CHA is broken.

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>>34866652
Sauce?

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>>34867436
Her dialogue makes it rather obvious.

>> No.34867505
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>>34867479
Missed that one, but i was thinking they would be rather close. Good to have sauce.

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>>34863180
That's a good question. Wonder why nsaout doesn't extract it. Try using it with the original maybe it'll work.

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>>34863180

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>>34867672
Never mind it does.

>> No.34867755

>>34867422
>Unironic gacha fags
Go back.

>> No.34867902

>>34867689
Thank you so much

>> No.34867924

>>34867672
Thank you for information of the sprite extractor. I'll try to use it next time

>> No.34868473

ugh

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>>34868473
what's up?

>> No.34869218

>>34868731
I love these early neco arc drawings

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>>34869218
they're the best.

>> No.34869704

>>34868731
Aoko is running thee threads as usual

>> No.34869921

>>34868731
It scares me to think that neko arc will probably have a mini skirt in the remake.

>> No.34869947

>>34865167
have you seen his latest work? there's no question

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>no love for best happa in this thread

>> No.34870009

>>34869921
Oh man I haven’t even thought of Remake Neco Arc. I wonder if they’ll keep her OG design and make fun of the fans that liked her original design or something like that. It would be weird to see a new remake designed Neco Arc.

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>>34869993
Having a good taste is for a few

>> No.34870130

>>34869993
how is alice gonna lose her virginity

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>>34870130
This Chad is going to pound her relentlessly until she faints from the multitude of orgasms she's going through.

>> No.34870206

>>34870130
To Shizuki of course.

>> No.34870238

>>34870205
>>34870206
>pairing has literally no basis whatsoever besides the character talking to each other
Even touko had lewder interactions with soujuurou

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>>34870130
>>34870206
>Implying
Alice is a cumdumpster. Everyone and their dog got their way with her. She regularly had sex with Aoko in the manor, that's how she pays rent. Touko did her. She most certainly gets pimped around in Reien, with or without her consent. She got raped by muggles when she was a kid and that's why she hates them.

>> No.34870323
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>>34870238
lol, I don't know if we've read the same thing then. The sleeping scene and the bath one say otherwise. Especially the last chapter shows there's something going on. I'd still prefer my dear Alice to remain pure and oblivious to this kind of thing (damn you Touko), but if anyone is to have romantic interactions to her it'll be Soujuurou

>> No.34870355

>>34870317
Honestly how hard would it be to cum inside touko aozaki

>> No.34870362

>>34870317
Fuck you filthy aokoposter. Shove your disgusting neckbeard imagination up your ass and cry remembering how worthless you are. Keep your desires in check, it disgust others

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>>34870238
>Pairing is emanating strong sexual tension as soon as their first conversation in private (when Souju wakes up after the amusement park)
>She would feel jealous if someone else saw his scar
>He gets her over her trauma, gets her to open up to him
>He chose Alice over Touko
>He goes over his fear of dogs for her
>Later they conspire together during the Sweet Hearts episode
There's many, many things that imply they'll eventually end up together. Soujurou is a naive idiot, so he's kind of clueless, but Alice is clearly crazy for him.

>> No.34870468

>>34870362
>filthy aokoposter
???
What the fuck are you talking about? I don't particlarly like her. Is this because I said she had sex with Alice?
The VN perfectly clarifies that Aoko is attracted to Alice, stop seething.

>> No.34870483

>>34870355
Depends. With or without glasses?
Soujuurou could have easily if he felt like it.

>> No.34870514

>>34870362
Fujino getting fucked against her will on the pool table of an abandonned undergroud, trash-filled, piss-smelling bar by five horny delinquant teenagers is one of the most arousing things in the Nasuverse to me.
The best part about it is that she served as their obedient cumdumpster for months, perhaps even years, routinely getting dragged by force in that filthy former restaurant, fulfilling the gang's sexual, pubescent urges everyday after school. And she isn't even protesting.
She's letting them use her however they see fit, taking it like a good girl, absolutely not reacting in the slightest, probably more still and unmoving than a sex doll. Kohaku would be the proudest little thing. I bet they even raped her in the ass.

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>>34869921
will she even make it to the remake?

>> No.34870784

Man who let the schizos on here? Some of you guys need to take your meds.

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>>34870784
>Man who let the schizos on here?
first day here huh?

>> No.34871008

>>34870514
Nasu, please. Contain your goddamn fetishes.

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>>34870514

>> No.34871135

>>34870784
I swear one can make a tier list every thread of the schizo posts

>> No.34871536

>>34871135
is "Nasu is a woman" a good or a bad shitpost?

>> No.34871558

>>34871536
It can be good, maybe. But it usually isn't used cleverly.

>> No.34871606

>>34871536
>>34871558
>Still not having understood that Nasu is a woman who got raped and is coping with it through her works
low IQ posters, NGMI

>> No.34871626

>>34871606
Nasu is a woman, sure. But, she's the rapist.

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>>34871536
When it's used well... imo larping as someone with a crazy yet well thought theory of why nasu is a woman is really funny. When I mentioned schizo posts I meant people getting mad at each other out of the blue, writing walls of text in a pointless argument, getting horny and talking about raping X or Y out of the blue as well

>> No.34871726

>>34870893
Nah, but I haven’t seen something like that on here in a bit. It almost sounds like a pasta

>> No.34871742

>>34871653
why would someone draw this

>> No.34871813
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Last post for Nyan Akiha!

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>>34871813
Actual last post for smoking addiction

>> No.34872044
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34872044

the gacha character gets the last post

>> No.34872119
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34872119

good try

>> No.34872276

Actual last post.

>> No.34872287

>>34872119
a spy with my little eye
a gacha character

>> No.34872424

Last post babey

>> No.34872449
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Since I posted last, I will be all alone forever

>> No.34872477

Da Babylonia
Less gooooo

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>> No.34872668
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You guys better let me have the last post, it's only fair you know

>> No.34872759
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34872759

Y'all keep try

>> No.34872801
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34872801

Lesbians for last

>> No.34872807

>>34872801
I agree

>> No.34872951 [SPOILER] 
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34872951

Don't open, or you'll see what happens to you if you post after me

>> No.34873019
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The King shall be last

>> No.34873093
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34873093

purple for last

>> No.34873100
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34873100

Miss Alice perseveres

>> No.34873121
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34873121

consider the following

>> No.34873144

>>34873121
that's a man

>> No.34873193

>>34873144
a cute man

>> No.34873313

I trust that kama knows how to pleasure men well enough

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