/jp/ - Otaku Culture

You should get out of /jp/.

You should get out of /jp/.

>>3451677

This kind of elitism is only going to make me want to watch the anime instead...

You should get out of /jp/.

>>3451682
And we don't give a fuck. What now?

>>3451674
The Higurashi anime was atrociously butchered, far incredibly more than the Umineko anime which isn't doing too badly in comparison. So, just watch the anime I guess, you hyperactive attention deficit faggot.

>>3451682
And do we lose anything from this? Watch the goddamn anime if you want, you're only hurting yourself.

>>3451682
Good. Get out of /jp/

>>3451682
And? Enjoy ruining something for yourself, you're the one who will miss out - not us.

Now, you should get out of /jp/.

>>3451674
>>Higurash has no translation

http://sonozakifutagotachi.blogspot.com/2008/04/acquiring-our-releases.html

I am proud you guys /jp/,

>>3451674
Get back to >>>/a/.
Your kind is not wanted here.

>>3451666
> Old. I already read this on http://www.anantalk.com/ (anan = anon) last night.
Too old.

What's with all the fucking elitism on /jp/ all of a sudden? I remember the "I bought my first figures" a few days ago where people tore into him for not being a proper NEET. I thought it was just bad trolling at the time, but it looks like some of /jp/ really is that fucking stupid.

It doesn't kill you to be friendly once in a while, or at least not come off as complete pricks. Just because japs can be elitist doesn't mean you have to be too. It's not as if you're going to earn their favour or anything.

>Umineko anime.
>but when you have a visual element like in manga and especially anime, you get a better idea of what's going on.
Are you really serious?

>>3451674
Don't listen to them, action starts after the first twilight. If you don't like ep1, epsiode is by far better and if you get to ginish ep3 you'll love it

>>3451697

Yeah, good luck waiting for that to be finished.

>>3451677
>>3451681
>>3451684
>>3451707
This.

>>3451720
We're friendly when not facing non-elitist faggots who share opinions similar to ours.

>>3451720
>feel like I'm missing out on some good work by reading the VN
>communication is through expression, body language etc. if it's in any way well animated
>well animated

Why should we be friendly him when his post contradict everything that he is saying?

>>3451721

It's pretty simple what the OP is saying. When text is used to describe everything, and text is being translated, there's always going to be some kind of loss of information. When you have video and (a constant stream of) sound, there's much less information lost. Op is worried of missing out on the feeling and atmosphere among other things by reading a translation.

If you NEETs got out and studied interesting things like Communications you might not obsess over the purity of the original medium like this.

ITT: buttpained op

No one really cares whether you read the VN or watch the anime, but I agree that Ryukishi's work could use a little more editing. First third of Ep. 4 goes way way WAY longer than it should. But the anime isn't all that great from what I've seen of it. It's your call.

Keep playing. If only for the music.

>>3451753
He's actually right in that respect, but this is gonna be the automatic reaction to any post implying the Higurashi anime was at all good. Almost all VN to anime adaptations are so awful that the information lost in translation doesn't even come close to the butchering of the source material in adaptation.

NEET is legion.
NEET does not forgive.

>>3451753
IMO I felt that the atmosphere was much better in the VN than in the anime. I just didn't feel as drawn in as I was when reading it.

Lets all look at all the VN adaptation.
Tsukihime is insignificant compare to the VN counterpart.
FSN shittier than the VN.
Clannad shittier than the VN.
Kanon shittier than the VN.
Higurashi shittier than the VN.
Umineko shittier than the VN.
Chaos Head shittier than the VN.
ef might be passable.
School days might be passable. I never play the eroge. Anybody that read the eroge can confirm?
Haven't watch POI so I can confirmed.

>>3451674
If you read the Higurashi VN, you would see just how much of the anime series was butchered.

>>3451805
School Days took the most unlikable character development from all routes, and combined teh worst endings for pure shock value.
Not that there is truly 'good' character development, but they really chose the shitty ones that would give them an excuse for the ending.
Sucks, but the VN is bad too.

>>3451753
>implying feeling and atmosphere is not lost in adaptation

The anime have no atmosphere at all.
The VN is fucking awesome.
OP should go back to /a/ where he can hang out with his ADD friends.

Chill the fuck out, guys.

Anyway, keep reading. The beginning is boring as fuck, but it's necessary to develop the characters and it makes it that much better when it actually starts getting interesting. The atmosphere in the anime blows compared to the VN.

I did enjoy the Higurashi anime back when it aired, I think it works well as a stand alone, although I don't doubt the VN is much better.

Goddamit /jp/, this thread.
You are still my favourite board but why do you have to be such a dick with everyone else

>>3451805
Kanon 2006 is better than the VN
Ef memories is better than the VN, Melodies is shittier.

These ones you cited aren't even the worst, see the OVAs of Phantom or Eien no Aselia and the anime of Ayakashi for the absolute shittiest adaptations.

How do I turn on autoread

>>3451855

Because nobody loves /jp/.
Not even themselves.

NEET is legion.

>>3451850
The game doesn't have much of an atmosphere too, especially in the later episodes.

VNs aren't exactly the most open and prestiguous medium. You can't expect everyone to have such a tolerance for them. It's like the dialogue section of an old JRPG made into an entire game. It'd be fine if it was broken up by random fights, or something.

No seriously, if you don't speak moon, how the fuck are you supposed to play the Higurashi VN in the first place. I'm not the OP, but I don't speak moon either. Had I waited for a full translation for the VN before watching the anime, I would still be waiting.

Not that I know where to look for either, so I might be wrong for all I know. Though, I know at least one arc has been translated, but that doesn't really help much now does it?

People who play VN usually don't have much standard.
That's why you have so much retards screaming how AWESOME Umineko is while it's pretty average as a whole.

The epic soundtrack especially help amazing the easily impressed, making them forget how fucking dull the script is and how shallow the whole experience end up being.

>>3451855
The dick responses keeps the beginner /a/, /v/, /b/ like posts out. I'm not saying /jp/ doesn't have shitty posts because /jp/ is shitty itself but at least we don't get ">implying, FFFUUUU, xD, etc" as much as the other boards do. Most people are turned off by the fact that almost every response has a sage in the e-mail field, yet they don't know that it means nothing.

>>3451873

It's like when you complain about TF2 performance issues on the steam board, and they tell you to get a new computer. You'd have to invest too much time and money to guarantee good performance from TF2 for it to be worthwhile thanks to shitty optimisation. If Valve just removed the cheat status of the variable that turns down the particle effects, it would solve everyone the bother.

But they don't, because they're NEETs.

>>3451855
Why should we be nice to the braindead?

>>3451869
0/10.

Both.
Read the VN.
Watch the anime.

>>3451878
And the anime is even worse.

Watching the anime adaptation of a VN can be nice sometimes provided that the anime was done decently, but it's simply not the same as reading the VN.
If both are decent then knock yourself out with both of them.

You know, people used to praise the shit out of the higurashi anime.
I think it's good.
There's no denying after reading the first arc though that there was definitely some changes in the anime, but I still like the anime because regardless of how different it may be from the VN it's still good.

Read the VN, yes it's kinda slow in the beginning
you may then watch the anime

not the other way around

>>3451882
But it's not like the OP seems to be that kind of retard, does it?

It really helps that they translate plot vital things properly you know.

Umineko? Read the VN
Phantom? Watch the anime

Some adaptations are just fucking shit and do not properly convey the story or atmosphere at all. Some adaptations on the other hand are actually awesome and do an excellent job.

>>3451674
Long story short, you think the anime is better because it's so butchered that there is nothing to lose in the translation?
Fuck, go ahead, but let me warn you - Umineko threads on /a/ aren't a pretty sight.

umineko threads on /a/ are about the VN, the only anime threads that you'll see are when the episode airs

>>3451910
Well, it also doesn't help that the version of PoI in english isn't really all that accesible.

>>3451920
Yeah and they are always discussing the same plot points again and again with the same shitty theories and all that roleplaying.
What a retarded fanbase, anyone sane should steer clear away from the Umineko threads in /a/.

>>3451910
>>Phantom? Watch the anime
No, just no.
The anime is really badly directed and extremely badly animated.
No reason to watch it except to burn your fucking eyes, the game is much better in every ways, even the fucking action scenes are more intense.

>>3451937
>anyone sane should steer clear away from /a/.

Why some of you continue lurking /a/ and bring in their shitty memes like implying, reaction face, kanye west template to /jp/ is beyond me.

>>3451948
What? Phantom is one of my favorite VNs and the anime has overall been pretty decent. It actually does some scenes better than they were done in the VN.

I refuse to believe that a board that links you to a rickroll when you ask for the opening of Umineko chiru is any more intellectual than other boards.

>>3451674

Stick with it. The pace will pick up greatly and any qualms you have about the art style will start to go away as it grows on you. You'll also hear some great music tracks and get some fan service for Higurashi fans.

The anime has followed the series decently so far but its pacing feels awkward and it makes certain scenes feel less dramatic than its visual novel counterpart. It also contains some animation quirks like rapid breast size changes which you may or may not like.

>>3451976
>The anime has followed the series decently so far but its pacing feels awkward and it makes certain scenes feel less dramatic than its visual novel counterpart.
Less dramatic? They completely suck!

Everyone says how bad the adaptation of Umineko is, which makes me curious about what people here themselves would cut out and leave in. I think the anime is flawed, but I'm really not sure what other plot points should have been left in.

For example, I think it would've been nicer if the EP 2 Tea Party and ????? was expanded in the anime, but then what should've been cut out in its place? Maybe a bit out of anime episode 10, but it was one of the better episodes. Would you want to touch it? And the whole airport scene in EP 1 was removed, which I didn't like, but how else can you fit the essential plot points of EP 1 into five anime episodes? Like it or not, that was probably one of the less important scenes to include.

Simply put, I think that with the time constraints (26 episodes, 4 VN episodes), you aren't going to get every bit of the VN in. It would be nice if it could be stretched over even a half-season more, but I'm not sure how realistic that is for DEEN. You can certainly argue about the direction of the scenes included in the anime (I think Maria's constant creepyface when she talks about magic is ridiculous), but frankly, deciding what stays and what goes isn't a task I'd want to do.

Let me ask this too: should Umineko have been adapted at all, taking into account the time and budget restrictions DEEN has? Is there even any point to the anime?

>>3451967
>>It actually does some scenes better than they were done in the VN
No it doesn't and I blame Mashimo with his shitty directing skill and obsession with fucking close-ups.
Not to mention the animation was really shitty.

>>3452007
>>3451985
I think you guys have built up some unreasonable expectations that should not have come just from reading the Vn.

>>3452007
The test against Ein, the test against the American military guy/smuggler. They were far better in the anime than in the VN.

>>3452006
>Is there even any point to the anime?
Nope I drop it after episode 1 and I watch the dokyun dokyun off youtube.

Not only did they fail in animating it, they also screw up the OST badly. I mean I can't expect them to fit it some of the longer BGM into a 24mins show, but come on changing the OST entirely?

The director just suck.

>>3452027
>>the test against the American military guy/smuggler
Much better in the VN.

Holy shit /jp/

I like VNs.

I enjoy their anime adaptations even if they are not as good as the original novel.

You all should seriously calm the fuck down and stop complaining about every shitty detail in everything.

>should Umineko have been adapted at all, taking into account the time and budget restrictions DEEN has?

No, also DEEN should be forced out of business. It's a terrible studio.

There's only one thing I like about DEEN.
They sure do know how to properly draw noses.

Is the Umineko VN voiced?

>>3452117
lolno

>>3452109
Excuse me, sir.
What the fuck are you saying?

>>3452117
>>3452122
I'll admit that's one point in the anime's favour. The voice acting has been pretty solid so far. Maybe not every voice is what I pictured, but I really don't have any complaints.

Do you like to read books? I'm guessing no.

>>3452183
I always enjoy ironic voice casts.

>>3452071
Seriously, did Ryukishi07 look at the hack job DEEN did with Higurashi and say "By golly, they're the perfect studio to animate my next work!"? Or was DEEN the only studio willing to animate it? I find that kind of hard to believe considering how many people were looking forward to Umineko.

>>3452217
He likes money, like everyone.
And it's not like he had choices, DEEN is probably the only studio that asked to do it.
Umineko is not even close to being as popular as Higurashi in Japan after all.

>>3452217
They might have been willing to pay the largest fees to him.

I just watched four EPs of the anime which pretty much covered chapter one and read the rest on VNs

didn't feel like I missed anything much

What exactly in the Higurashi anime was butchered?

>>3452222
That is why ZUN has got my respect.

He haven't sold out after so many years. I am pretty sure the anime studios give him a daily call everyday.

>>3452031
What are you talking about? They kept the original OST you fag. Be glad they even did that, they made a new OST entirely for Higurashi. I am sick and tired of faggots complaining about every little irrelevant detail. The Umineko anime is good. Instead of expecting it to be PERFECT ADAPTATION ALL MUST BE ACCURATE, why can't you just sit back and enjoy it?

>>3452385
Then watch it.

Nobody is forcing you to not watch it.
Be glad you have low standard and everything nomatter how bad can entertain you.

>>3452385
The anime's art is even worse than the sound novel.

What the FUCK is with all the hate on anime adaptations? Do you NEETs all really think that an anime is going to stack up to a VN? Of course not! There's exponentially more content in a VN than an anime! That's because VNs have a lot more TIME to work with!

I recently took a 2-week anime production course in NYC and I realized just how much fucking WORK goes into this shit. You know those anime gags about people sleeping in the office for days at a time to get work done? it's really like that.

But anyway, everyone's like "OMG so much was lost in anime blah blah Higurashi anime was butchered blah blah" but you know what? The point of the anime is to FUCKING ENJOY IT FOR WHAT IT IS! Stop comparing it to the VN since VNs will OBVIOUSLY have more fucking content since they are so much longer!

You want to know what? I watched the Higurashi anime about 2 years ago. I haven't read the VNs since they aren't all translated yet. Guess what? Higurashi has been my favorite anime of all time, and I've seen plenty of anime (http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Alpha_Omega)), but without the bias that you NEETs exert, I can fully enjoy the anime for it's own quality.

Stop ruining anime by comparing them to VNs and dooming them from the start. You're just being dicks and you're not only ruining it for everyone else, but yourselves as well.

>>3452934
>Anime Title Score
>Naruto 10

>>3452934
wow, I havent seen that copypasta in months

>>3452934
Cool story bro.

>>3452006
The Umineko anime is great. I've read all of the novels (not ep. 5 yet, but all the translated ones) and I can enjoy both. I'm not one of these fags who think that they should magically translate days worth of reading (well depending on your speed, but it's a shitload nontheless) into 26 episodes where speaking takes longer than reading.

BTW, I love DEEN. They produce great shit, and Umineko is one of the best I've seen in a while. Hate the dissimilarities to the VN? Stop deluding yourself; the content is brilliant, but the novel characters look like deformed, overgrown lolis. The anime at least made the chars. look REALISTIC enough to be on TV.

>>3452950
I actually just wrote that. Literally right now.
How could it be copypasta when I posted the link to my myanimelist?

>>3452949
Wow, just noticed that problem...
/change

>>3452971
You mean, you forgot to hide your shame?

>>3452949
Hate to double post on this, but I originally gave it a 10 because that "Naruto" only goes to BEFORE Shippuden, and I though that before the fillers it was pretty good.

I also rated than when I was like 13.

So I'm confused, from an unbiased party, is the Umineko anime any good?

>>3453113
Some bad directive choices concerning scenes and information, but production values are pretty good and they do the more important parts well enough.

>>3453113
Yes, it's good. VN or not.

>>3453133
but the manga is only at vol 1

First off, the main problem with the When They Cry animated franchise is that Frontier Works holds the rights for the series, and they're the ones that chose DEEN. It's the same principle as the people involved in the Fate anime project.

With that said, the next biggest problem would be the director. Despite being a total hack, DEEN chose Chiaki Kon to helm the Umineko project because she was in charge of Higurashi, which was a success despite being a complete mockery of the original. She's the kind of director that fails to portray any kind of emotion to audience, and does the bare minimum in the animation. She just doesn't get what the heck she's working on, and it shows on ALL her works, and not just the When They Cry series. This debacle of a director is the primary reason why you'll never be satisfied with the anime.

>>3453212
Wait, how many of the Higurashi VNs are done? Last I checked, it was only Onikakushi-hen.

>>3453113
It's bad. Maybe worth watching, but bad nonetheless.

>>3453212

At least it's not Uwe Boll.

>>3453259
If the first 4 are really coming out in November, a couple are probably done by now. Actually released, though, yes, only the first one.

>>3453113
Only if you have absolutely no interest in the VN. Like Higurashi, if you pretend the VN doesn't exist, it's a decent anime, just inferior to the VN in every way.

>>3451674
To give you a polite answer, OP, Episode 1 is definitely stretched out and isn't nearly as good as the next 4 episodes. Just keep reading, you'll be glad you did. I'd say don't bother watching the anime until after readings the VNs, it isn't as good as the Higurashi adaptation (which was considered bad by many people who read the Higurashi VNs), which is saying something considering how much better Umineko is than Higurashi.

I despise how DEEN keeps me watching the anime by first shitting up most of the content, then adding in a moment or two of pure awesome to keep me hoping that they will improve.

And the music doesn't get a chance to make an impact at all. Ten-second clips are unacceptable, DEEN.

Umineko anime is "Watching only because it is Umineko"-tier.

>>3453508
Yeah. The music especially makes me feel like DEEN really doesn't have much of an idea about what the fuck they're making an anime for.

Umineko is a fucking Sound Novel. If you fuck up the Music and the atmospheric noise what the hell is the point?

>>3453517
I think "Sound Novel" name is pure bullshit. It's just a Visual Novel with amateur art.

That said, the soundtrack is awesome and I agree with DEEN being fucking stupid at playing 5 seconds of the BGMs at -30dB.

>>3453551
Visual Novel is just the English blanket term for every readan' gaem.

>>3453551
Anything can have bad amateur art.
The issue is the lack of choices and relying on music to set the atosphere more so than other shit.

>>3453551
Argue with the japanese.

They are the one that came up with term like Sound Novel and Kinetic Novel.

Can I watch the anime for the first chapter then do the VN for the rest? Seems like the best solution.

How do I unlock chapters without playing them, just fastforward?

>>3453825

I guess you could watch the first few anime episodes, but it does a few things differently from the VN so it might be a little confusing. And if you want to just skip ahead press control.

>>3453825
Theres the option to unlock the next episode in the menu. Assuming you were smart and installed Episode 4.

But, for all its shortcomings (boring, character intros, etc), I would still read Episode 1. It's good to get a feel for the atmosphere in the game before you move on the the later episodes. It also introduces the awesome music which you will be listening to throughout your playing experience.

>>3453861

Well, I've had pretty much all the characters introduced to me. I watched Ep.1 of the anime and it was a bit bleh but since I'd gone through the introductions I'm glad I sped through the rest.

I actually prefer how the characters look in the VN though. battler's eyes are way too far apart.