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>>34229088
9 years man, still need to collect pictures later.

That rock exploded because they tripped a mine that was set in it. After running through a giant boulder to show off their A++ strength, the pov appears to spin around for 2 frames, where Rider somehow ended up going further than Saber and is on the right now. Despite being right next to each other when they cut, Saber has disappeared into a maze behind another giant boulder, but it's okay because Rider has Hawkeye. She jumps off of something vertical using reinforcement magecraft and it cuts to her suddenly running into frame on something else we haven't seen yet horizontally.

>>34229111
get over it already, nerd

Excalivacuum

Rider's Vacuum Resistance is A+

I don't know why the rocks start glowing orange like magma after getting hit only in this cut. It exploded twice because the cave was made out of C4.

>>34229125
I don't care what you're talking about. I'm simply baffled by how awful this sequence is.

Aside from what's mentioned in the last thread, the explosion mysteriously changes color from orange to pink. This one comes after the webm at the end of last thread. We had to do that one move Pain from Naruto did because DBZ also did it or something. Rider is in the floating in the air, then we cut to Saber colliding into the ground that is indistinguishable from the all-natural yutapon cubes we've seen so far, then we cut to Rider jumping out of a crater she got into off-screen, because that's coherent. She jumps out ass-first and is now to the right of Saber despite being to her left in the last cut.

Also, don't ask where all the giant boulders went, they don't matter anymore.

After this, Shirou materializes out of nowhere and begins projecting, but even though they're both still now, he and Rider aren't in the same shot until Rho Aias actually appears for some reason. The swords sprout out of his arm first but disappear in the next scene.

>>34229149
It's been a while since I read HF, but isn't the Saber Alter fight described as taking place in a small cave to Rider's benefit? Seems like a dumb idea to replace it with a voluminous cavern so that they can have laser fights.

>>34229260
>It's about as big as the schoolground.
>It's too dark to make out the ceiling, but it must be about ten meters high.
So still big but incomparable to the movie. An enclosed space would work the other way around because Saber may have an opportunity to corner Rider. In Sparks Liner High, Shirou points out that Saber won't use Excalibur because it might cause a cave-in "or something".

Rider's only advantage is she can outmaneuver Saber, and Rider rapidly grows exhausted while Saber can patiently wait for her to slow down. Thus, Shirou is forced to pressure Saber into using Excalibur by projecting Caladbolg.

Rider is essentially a nuisance, struggling with a flimsy chance how Shirou tends to, not smugly applying legitimate pressure on Saber.

>>34229149
Also, Saber was in the direction of where Rider came into frame in this one. She apparently teleported twice as far away as Rider was from her to get this composition. And she was far beneath Rider, who was blasted back upwards? Now their distance is apparently lateral instead of vertical.

Watching Medusa in action reinvigorated my love for her. Gotta give her some grails in FGO now.

Will we see Sion in TsukiR? Maybe as a cameo.

>>34230600
Hopefully not

>>34230600
literally confirmed not to be in the game so hard that they had to cut her out of the new melty game

>>34230724
But why? She's one of the main characters in FGO, so it's not like Nasu doesn't like her.

>>34230770
Go to Fate thread

>>34230998
There's a Fate thread?

Honestly, the GudaGuda crew is so fun that they are wasted in a game like FGO.

Rewatching the HF movies, I'm reminded how I always had a problem with the treatment of Saber here. She's the main heroine, but she gets destroyed early on, gangraped by Sakura's tentacles (at least that's how it worked in the original game), and brainwashed into becoming a monster. HF otherwise feels like a definitive FSN route, with stories of Rin, Sakura, Illya, and even Rider being resolved, but Artoria got fucked so completely that I just can't accept this shit.

>>34231162
i feel you i really like Kagetora and its sad that she's from GudaGuda because it means she isnt allowed to be in a story event and even in GG she's literally irrelevant i want to see her outside of this game

>>34231615
She doesn't even get Avalon back, and she can't ever be summoned again either. She really did get thoroughly screwed.

>>34231615
The "best" ending would involve some sort of way of saving Saber and Sakura (and maybe Shinji). Resolving Archer and Illya's baggage and killing Zouken, Gil and Kirei..and destroying the Greater Grail so there can never be a grail war again.
But saving everyone is impossible. HF just hammers that home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QGvBsyPPQo

>>34231651
Kagetora is such wasted potential
At least most of the gudacrew is in Redline which so far is decent
Sadly shes stuck with Fate Gay Order

>>34231835
The problem is, we would've gotten a good enough ending if Saber's story was somehow resolved. Maybe if Shirou gave away Avalon to save her from madness at the last moment, so she could at least die in peace. But maybe Nasu didn't want HF to be the definitive ending, so if you liked Saber more than other heroines, you couldn't accept it as "your" ending no matter how well things went for others.

>>34231900
Either Saber goes to Avalon anyway like in Garden Of Avalon, or she ends up as a counterforce janny like Archer

>>34231925
I get how counterforce could use her, but how would she go to Avalon in any ending other than Fate's ending?

>>34231953
I forgot she doesn't have Avalon in HF. Then shit I guess she just goes back to the hill at Camlaan..forever?

>>34231969
Maybe she could return to the Throne of Heroes and become a proper Servant? The throne doesn't seem to connect to any particular timeline, so she could be summoned again in some other branch and give it another shot. The Avalon connection should remain until Shirou dies of old age, but the Fuyuki Grail is destroyed so she can't ever be summoned by him or anyone else there, and Avalon inside him doesn't do jack shit without the contract.

I tried mapo tofu for the first time and it's pretty good

>>34232086
But she isn't in the the throne, I thought. She's still on counterforce standby until Avalon ending.
If that's the case, how is she even in something like FGO? Theoretically she shouldn't be summonable at all post-any FSN route

>>34231835
why did gil's appearance change between fate and ubw

KINO
https://youtu.be/ILS8ITPBCz0

>>34231835
>But saving everyone is impossible. HF just hammers that home.
Isn't everyone(aside from Kirei) alive and well in HA?

>>34232629
But HA was just Bazett's wish being granted + a re-run of the 3rd War, when it's over they all go back to being dead

>>34232664
But what about the epilogue? That was in the real world right? Everyone seemed fine there too.

>>34231651
Kagetora is so cool, she should have more screen time.
And actually, I have good news for you, she will be the main character of the Teito Seihai Kitan prequel. There was a chapter of it on GudaGuda Ace 1 where it showed Nobbu being sommoned and cutting the head of a common soldier, to then start molesting her female Master, Monkey being summoned by Rin and Sakura, Illya summoning an unknown Servant that looked like Tokugawa and Kagetora having Sacchin as Master. That's the reason why there was that page with Kagetora and Moneky in Type Redline, by the way.
Hopefully it will get released soon, even tho right now GudaGuda Ace RE is coming out.
>>34231841
Read above.

>>34232693
I don't know if HA's epilogue is canon but the main three girls are okay.

If Seiba needs a grail, I can spare some. Hell, I can make her a personal tea set out of grails, shit's not that hard to find when you can travel through space and time at your leisure.
>>34232198
>If that's the case, how is she even in something like FGO? Theoretically, she shouldn't be summonable at all post-any FSN route
That's a good question actually. Chaldea uses a summoning system called FATE patterned after the Fuyuki ritual. The only difference is that, in rare cases, Servants are able to retain their memories from previous summons (and nobody knows why, it just happens sometimes). Saber you summon in FGO says this to you:
>I have my own thoughts of the quest for Holy Grails, but that's all in the past. If something is evil, I must correct its path myself.
So it has to be from one of the endings where she destroys it. Artoria from UBW can go to the Throne, both in Good and True endings. Fate's Artoria ends up in Avalon with Shirou, so she doesn't return to the Throne, and indeed should be unsummonable. Also, there are 14 different Artorias in FGO, but that's beside the point.
Artoria is far from the only technically unsummonable Servant in FGO. Jeanne also escaped from the Throne to be with Sieg, but you still summon her (and she even says that she doesn't remember who Sieg is), and Jeanne Alter is literally an impossible Servant, she should not even exist.

>>34232829
It's been a while since I've played HA so I got this info on the type-moon wiki.
>https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Fate/hollow_ataraxia
>While the scene "Sequel" depicts the world outside of the loop, it is unknown to which timeline it belongs as Kinoko Nasu said "It’s best if you don’t think too much about it" when questioned about its place in the timeline.

>>34232888
why does all the """"lore""""" in fgo sounds really fucking retarded

>>34232888
I don't know much about FGO, but I do know that the events affect all of humanity across all timelines supposedly. So it could be that the counterforce is pulling out all the stops to save humanity - or that Saber is here of her own volition.
And Saber Lily's existence only raises even more questions.
>>34233013
Multiple writers + Trying to tie every single fate spin off into this + Being a gacha game (gachas are not known for their writing) + Nasu

>>34232819

>>34233013
I’m still mad at whatever the fuck it was they did with the Greek pantheon

>>34233013
Because FGO was created for the sole purpose of fanservice, its lore was designed to let the player meet characters from other parts of the franchise and summon them. Since this should not even be possible in some cases, concessions had to be made.
For example, you can summon pic related. I don't even fucking remember how it works, but you can. And there's also a Saber version of her which didn't participate in the events of Kara no Kyoukai, so you're free to propose to her whenever.
>>34233040
There's also Artoria Archer, which acts all lovey-dovey with you, and Artoria Caster, which is a different form of Lily, when she was learning magic. It's a varied set.

>>34233213
More like what they did to Gods in general.
Gods being actually aliens is the most boring and reused trope of this century.

>>34233293
I recall Shiki was made into a Counter Guardian as her timeline burned with the world. Same thing with Fujino.
Void has Independent Manifestation (like the Beasts and Merlin), so she just summons herself.

>>34231744
Nasu said she eventually returns to Avalon because of her legend, still depressing tho

>>34233579
Yeah no nasu made gods fucking dull as shit but making the greek gods especially aliens goes against their very nature
The defining characteristic of the Greek pantheon is its humanity and how despite their godlike abilities they still ultimately act just as people would and have the same flaws as us
And nasu decided to make them machine aliens
Why

>>34232693
Nasu: “don’t think about it too hard”

reminder fgo made unlimited blade works canon

>>34234100
Did I ever tell you how much I hate the concept of pseudo-servants

>>34234100
All the routes are canon. Even the bad endings.

>>34234126
What, don't you like blatant fanservice/exploitation of your favorite characters?

>>34234126
I think it's a fine concept, but it's pretty damn funny how the only humans eligible for it are FSN protagonists.

>>34234388
prove it

>>34234585
My dad works at Nasu

>>34234486
Wrong, Waver and Reines are also psuedo servants

Come to think of it, why would anyone want to become a Counter Guardian besides being made into one involuntarily/being an autist with grand ideals?

So...why does tuskiR Arcueid have an ahoge?

>>34236252
You can call it an honor, meaning the world itself acknowledged you as someone strong enough to protect it.

>>34236635
アホだから、こいつ。

>>34236252
Ask Emiya and Saber

>>34236635
post 2012 takeuchi laziness

Why do people like to force this HF definite ending BS? There's a reason why there was different routes made in the first place because you can't conjure a happy ending and a satisfying conclusion for every character holding life long baggage. Not everyone gets a happy ending in all the routes and that's fine that's the point of a visual novel.

>>34236252
unironically autism

>>34236980
HF is a good enough ending for everyone except Saber. It's not like in Tsukihime, where some parts of the story are ignored so you cannot choose a definitive ending, HF still ends with Kirei's death and Grail's destruction, but you also solve Sakura's problem, which cannot be ignored. Fate and UBW can only make sense if Sakura's backstory somehow didn't happen.

>>34236635
She deserves it more than Saber, honestly.

>>34237196
>UBW can only make sense if Sakura's backstory somehow didn't happen.
not really. in UBW shinji mellows out and assuming the grail gets dismantled then sakura is free eventually

>>34237442
Considering that at the end of UBW Shirou and Rin go to London and the Matou household is apparently free of Zouken and any Grail shit, do you think Sakura and Shinji keep fucking?

>>34237442
Depends on Shirou's definition of "mellows out". He somehow managed to be a friend with that worm before, so maybe "he doesn't want to kill me and rape Tohsaka" constitutes mellowing out to the sword autist. The only hope for Sakura is Zouken finally abandoning hope and dying because the grail is no more.

>Tsukihime's cast are a bunch of vampires, delinquents, psychos, and criminals
>somehow they make for a more likable and relatable cast than a group of normal high schoolers

>>34237989
>relatable
nice way of saying you're a schizo

>>34237672
>He somehow managed to be a friend with that worm
because he was a good guy

>>34238083
Hey, we all have our moments when we just wanna rape Arcueid in an alleyway. The important part is to choose the "let's not" option, or you might get your soul sucked out on the next fork in the road.

>>34237661
god I wish

>>34238117
I'll gladly let God sort him out.

What version of FSN do you prefer - the one with no sex scenes or the one without them?
On one hand, some of the sillier parts are removed, like Saber giving her virginity to some Japanese high schooler for mana, or Saber and Rin getting raped into submission by Sakura. On the other hand, some of the more emotional story beats, like Sakura being a rape victim and Shirou actually making love with the girl before going together on the suicide mission, are not there anymore, so the story feels a lot more like your average shounen.
I'm honestly mixed on this. Knowing that Shinji didn't rape Sakura for years makes the story go down smoother, and someone as clinically autistic as Shirou actually having sex was one of the most unbelievable parts for me. But at the same time, when Rider approaches Shirou in a dream and starts seducing him (letting him massage her boobs even), only to unceremoniously drink his blood and disappear, it feels like something was supposed to happen there, but got cut because children might be watching.

>>34238970
medusa is a rapist

>>34238991
Can't rape the willing.

>>34239017
then shinji isn't a rapist

>>34239041
No one would fuck Shinji on their own accord.

>>34234486
It is, but it's only used for homage which makes it lame. Muramasa is the only I like to be honest.

>>34238970
>>34239017
God I wish Rider would rape me

>>34239060
sakura and me

>>34238970
>Knowing that Shinji didn't rape Sakura for years makes the story go down smoother
That's basically Sakura's whole character. Removing that makes her an unsympathetic piece of shit considering how much death and destructions she causes

>>34239165
my little medussy...

>>34239232
Even without rape she still has penis worms
I think penis worms literally eating you alive for over a decade is sympathetic enough

>>34233013
because it is

>>34239262
No that's too comical and out there for people to feel genuine sympathy. Being a rape victim is more grounded.

>>34239360
I mean I guess

One of my biggest fears about TsukiR is that Nasu will chicken out and rewrite Shiki into Shirou 2.0. Shiki is great because he's not your average anime protagonist. He can be aggressive, selfish, cynical, and he usually grasps the situation around him without the need for explanation about literally fucking anything. Where Shirou awkwardly stumbles his way to victory, Shiki acts like a real person would, and that's what made Tsukihime so fun to read.
If Nasu turns him into a retarded "nice guy", it will fuck the whole thing up.

>>34239646
>Shiki acts like a real person would
People usually aren't rapists or schizos

>>34239696
i am both

>>34239696
That's not Shiki, that's Roa and Nanaya. Shiki himself is a cool guy.

>>34239646
Pedestalizing Shiki a bit too much buddy

>>34239735
But the Nanaya blood is not something external like Roa, it's literally part of Shiki as much as his non-rapist personality is.

>>34239786
He figured things out in KT. It's not an issue for him.

>>34239767
Shiki is a far better protag than Shirou

>>34239809
nah

>>34239809
They’re both nice as they are and serve different purposes
No need for a contest when they dont do the same thing as their stories arent the same

>>34239887
If Shirou was a protagonist in Tsukihime, he would've been unable to go past the Satsuki scene because he would never manage to kill her, no doubt choosing to die himself instead. It wouldn't matter to him what the sensible choice is because Shirou is not a sensible person in any of the routes.
He couldn't even bring himself to punch Shinji after that guy tried to kill him, hit Sakura on multiple occasions, and implied that Shirou is raping Sakura when she was staying at the Emiya house. Imagine if Arihiko went insane, popped up in the Tohno mansion, and tried to assault Hisui like that, he would be flying out of the front gate with a kitchen knife planted firmly up his ass.

>>34240037
Probably one of the most retarded posts I've ever read in this general.

>>34240064
Shirou's autism is fucking annoying and trying to deny it is pointless.

Shirou is the best TM protagonist.

Is Mahoutsukai no Hako dead for good?

>>34240079
You didn't even get Shiki's charactere right. You should watch SAO since you clearly only care ebin and baddasss a character is, you illiterate nigger.

>>34240170
At least proofread your posts before calling anyone illiterate.
And I would be more than happy to hear your highly sophisticated take on Shiki's character. Where exactly am I wrong then?

>>34240237
I'm not gonna waste my type discussing with a nigger.

>>34240253

>>34240170
you should go back to your gachashit, cringe retard

I something think most of you didn't even read the VNs.

>>34240288
yeah, i only watched shingetsutan tsukihime

fight me, brown midget

>>34240320
Hey I might have made a typo but I ain't no midget

>>34233852
'member Mazinger lol

>>34240166
>no Hako
what

>>34236980
If they're arguing canon it's BS, otherwise the game has an enforced playing order for a reason.

>>34240288
I think a lot of secondaries have started coming here now that /a/ threads stopped getting traction.

>>34240079
Nobody ever said Shirou wasnt autistic dude
Like what?
What point are you even arguing if anything you just proved my point by showing how they’re radically different characters that don’t suit the others story.
I dont care if you find shirou’s autistic sword fucking ass annoying as that’s irrelevant to his quality as a protagonist and is purely just your own personal opinion on the character

>>34240590
i understand 2hu retards playing the game at lunatic and calling other 2hu retards 'secondaries', but some retard priding himself in putting bare minimum effort into reading a street fantasy with pictures for teens? that's just sad

>>34240682
exactly what a secondary would say

>>34240645
My point was, I don't want Shiki to turn into Shirou. I don't want him to tell long speeches about how Arcueid shouldn't fight for him, I don't want him to act like a child in morally complex situations, and most importantly, I don't want him to become as autistic as Shirou. I think Shirou was a good protagonist for FSN, a story all about autistic heroism, but I'm afraid that Nasu, given an opportunity to rewrite Tsukihime, will shave all the edges off Shiki and turn him into the same dumb kid Shirou is.
For example, one trait I really liked about Shiki is his distaste for long explanations. Whenever someone was about to dump a ton of lore on him, he always told them to cut the crap and get to the point. Now, I can imagine Nasu removing that quirk because his readers are idiots, and it makes the novel longer than it should be. If that's how TsukiR will be written, I will be disappointed, to say the least.

>>34240777
sus

>>34240777
based retard

>>34240790
Yeah no I agree, if he ends up rewriting Shiki to be a Shirou stand in it’ll drag down the story tremendously. Shiki works because unlike Shirou he already has his shit more or less figured out (save for his rapey urges) and spends most of the VN trying to get others to figure themselves out as opposed to Shirou who spends the entirety of FSN breaking down who he is.
As for the lore dumping, i’m sure that even if Shiki regularly cuts people off to be simpler with their explanations its still gonna be bad, especially with their claims of how the routes are even longer which is concerning given how I didnt thunk any of the routes actually had that much more to do.
I worry theres gonna be a whole lot of needless lorewank because thats all nasu seemingly cares about now

>>34240790
>but I'm afraid that Nasu, given an opportunity to rewrite Tsukihime, will shave all the edges off Shiki and turn him into the same dumb kid Shirou is.
There's lines in the interview heavily implying they'll turn him into a more generic 2010 protag

>>34240841
Yes, pretty much. And the fact that Ritsuka, Nasu's most prominent protagonist since Shirou, is pretty much Shirou with Rin's color palette, doesn't give me much confidence either.
We can only hope for the best.

>>34240922
>Nasu's most prominent protagonist since Shirou, is pretty much Shirou with Rin's color palette
I've only watched the FGO anime but this is incredibly wrong.

Damn, they really fucking wanted to put a sex scene here, but that pesky age rating just wouldn't let them.

>>34239360
>No that's too comical and out there for people to feel genuine sympathy
That's silly sympathy has nothing to do with it being realistic. Also it's not like people haven't had suffered absurd amounts of suffering before, look at junko furuta.

>>34240939
I didn't watch much of the anime, but I've been playing the game since the beginning. Fujimura gets his moments, mostly in the off-the-wall events like GudaGuda, but as far as the actual story goes, he's as generic and inoffensive as it gets (probably for ease of self-inserting). He's like Shirou, but all the sword autism got replaced by normal autism.

>>34240974
>he's as generic and inoffensive
So nothing like Shirou then.

>>34240974
How the fuck is Guda like Shirou he's literally a roll of wet toilet paper

>>34240682
If it's that easy, you have even less of an excuse to not read it before discussing.

>>34240777
Checked

>>34240790
>>34240841
The only reason tsukihime lore wasn't really explored much was because it was a doujin made with limited resources. They were just trying to get something out asap. I'm not sure what you guys have against exploring tsukihime's largely hidden lore. You guys seem to be the type to complain if he decided to instead use it in the gacha game.

>>34240986
He inherited every shounen protagonist trope Shirou had, like a complete lack of self-preservation instincts and sex drive of a child, but none of the interesting moments.

>>34241006
>He inherited every shounen protagonist trope Shirou had, like a complete lack of self-preservation instincts and sex drive of a child
anon?

>>34241028
Yes?

>>34241000
This, Tsukihime 2 concept looks like a goldmine

>>34241006
Shirou is canonically a jackhammer in bed though.

>>34241028
Stop giving that retard attention, Shirou is absolutely nothing to that walking camera of a character

>>34241000
Lore is good, but when lore takes half an hour of sitting in the kitchen and listening to Tohsaka-senpai explain how the world works, shit becomes dull fast.

>>34241055
Nope, not canon anymore, sorry. We're PG-13 now, only blood allowed.

>>34241082
Shirou literally has sex with Sakura in the HF movies and I'd like to point out that they have spend less time together at that point than Guda and Mashu

>>34241078
Woah, Arc sure looks weird in the remake

>>34241107
Huh, maybe I should watch them then. I never actually played the SFW version of FSN.

>>34241078
uh...

>>34241067
Every single Nasu work has lots of infodumping, you stupid wikireader

>>34241117
The script changes realta nua makes are honestly pretty bad, it's a good thing the patches exist that rip everything good out of that release and put it into the PC version.

>>34241129
Not Tsukihime, thanks to Shiki.

>>34241078

>>34241140
I don't know why everyone keeps saying this. Arc and Ciel explained a ton of fucking shit Shiki all the time.

>>34241140
Never read Arc's route?

>>34241149
They keep it short, like two screens of text at most. It's far less than FSN's infodumps.

>>34241067
Rejoice shounen! This time you're going to be sitting and and listening to Ciel-senpai in her tea room. Jokes aside I'm not sure how else you can do it. There was that bit with Shiki reading Makihisa's journal in the original. Maybe Shiki can be more curious this time around and read the books in the Tohno's study

>>34241140
I thought you had to read the VNs to post here

>>34241158
>like two screens of text at most
lmao no fucking way. Arc goes into massive detail explaining dead apostles, his mystic eyes, true ancestors, etc.

>>34241158
the entire game is shorter than FSN I don't know what point you're trying to make

>>34241158
It was shorter because the vn overall was shorter but relatively speaking it was the same ratio of info dumping as fsn

>>34241167
Again, it's pretty short. Re-read the novel, and you'll see. I've been doing so recently, and I was surprised how it didn't waste your time nearly as much as you'd think.

>>34241182
Maybe you were just bad at reading the first time you read Tsukihime.

>>34241203
That doesn't make much sense.

Shirou really needed more scenes eating pizza, riding a motorcycle and using guns like Dante™ from the Devil May Cry™ series™.

>>34241206
Go re-read FSN. The exposition is shorter than you think too.

>>34241220
We already have Dante in Nasuverse.

>>34241241
he's getting conned

Holy shit these are some bad opinions

>>34241000
The point is i dont care if theres more lore to explore if it doesnt serve the story in any way
Id really rather not have the story get bogged down by needless text like a lot of the FGO lostbelts and singus

>THE VISUAL NOVEL HAS TOO MANY WORDS

>>34241225
I just finished rereading FSN and read Tsuki just a bit ago
Fate absolutely has more loredump
Though Tsuki does have its fair share too in Arc and Ciel route

>>34241404
To be fair, some of the super long VNs definitely are a bit bloated but I don't agree that it applies to F/SN. F/SN makes every word count. People are just mad.

>>34241445
Imagine the people bitching about Fate infodumps reading Umineko or MLA

>>34241445
No fucking way, dinners are incredibly bloated and slog to read through every single time.

>>34241464
filtered

>>34241445
>F/SN makes every word count
That can be said about Tsuki, but not FSN. It definitely had some quite infamous bloat, like cooking scenes. It wasn't a dealbreaker of course, but it was there.

>>34241475
>cooking scenes
100% essential to the story.

Ufo made Shirou too soft he didn't even punch Kirei when he heard he was using sakura in the church

>>34241484
Some are, like a good bit of the ones in HF have bits like Sakura’s body failing, her bonding with Rin, or Shirou going crazy
Some dont
Though most of them in Fate route have Taiga whos far and away the most entertaining character so it evens out

>>34241484
I thought everyone liked the cooking scenes, they aren't even really fluff. It's necessary downtime where we get to know the characters better.

Laying on a bed for a week isn't bloat

>>34241511
I thought hating on the cooking scenes was an /a/ meme

>>34241522
Yes, it is.

>>34240993
>If it's that easy, you have even less of an excuse to not read it before discussing

i don't need excuses to say that i'm not interested in spending 40-50 hours on reading urban fantasy for teens just for the sole purpose of flexing it among jaypee randos

>>34241725
Brainlet

>>34241765
go to bed, mr big brain, you have school tomorrow

So what is Alter in the original FSN? What is her state of mind? In latter media (including FHA) she was established as a person of her own, a bit of a gag character but a character nonetheless. But what about the original game? Was she actually aware of her actions? Maybe some weird sense of duty was guiding her, or sheer anger? Or is she a Berserker-like mindless weapon?

>>34241800
Fun idea: read the VN and find out

>>34241825
fun idea: fuck off

>>34241799
It's still party time I'm not going to bed yet, old man brainlet. Go fetch your reading glasses and read a book before you sleep

>>34241825
We never get a definitive answer. The only clue is when she dies, but even that can be disputed with how you die if you refuse to kill her.

>>34241849
i'll fetch your mom instead and give her a really nice anal creampie

>>34241800
It was hinted at in the Fate route. And she has dialogue, you know. If something isn't clarified, either it doesn't matter or you're using the wrong perspective.

>>34241894
Alter has barely any dialogue, as far as I remember.
>It was hinted at in the Fate route
Huh? When?

>>34241891
Nice.

>>34241907
Read it and find out.

>>34241958
So you don't remember either?

>>34242001
You people are even lazier than TM translators. Just read it.

>>34242034
Gotcha.

Do you think Ufotable will adapt the fate route and last episode? I know the common consensus is that they won't since everyone knows the basics of Fate at this point but it would be really nice if all three routes were fully adapted. Maybe they could add dead ends, tiger dojos and other bonuses too as part of it

>>34242062
Nah. Their next project will be Tsukihime.

>>34242062
>Maybe they could add dead ends
If they didn't add Sparks Liner High to the BD then they don't plan to do anything extra nice.
I think a F/HA is more likely, but even that I can't see it happening

Just got my first COVID shot, now I feel like I got run over by a fucking tank, god damn it. Although I guess that's a good sign.

>>34242155
Cute Rider
You should be feeling better in a day, hang in there bro

>>34242062
FSN routes' quality progresses correspondingly in their order. why would Ufo adapt the worst route after just finishing the best one?

>>34242155
avalon soon, anon

>>34242202
To complete Saber's story in a proper adaptation. She deserves some justice

>>34242268
Given how shitty of a job they did with HF can someone else do it

>>34242282
They did fine but cloverworks could be great

>>34242268
Why don't you think DEEN's series is a "proper" adaptation? Other than the four episode Caster arc that doesn't replace any Fate-original content other than part of a single scene.

>>34242297
>but cloverworks could be great
what

>>34242369
medussy...

>>34242282
I'm watching all three movies right now, and it's not even bad. I feel like they're not trying to adapt the original in all its glory, they're just doing a supercut of the most emotional moments and coolest battles, with some of the best 2D animation I've ever seen. That's good enough for me.

>>34242369
Basically I'd like to see them adapt some fight scenes like Saber vs Gilgamesh and a new Archer vs Hercules scene or something

>>34242282
crying little bitch, i'll pray to god he makes every future TM title get animated by jc staff

>>34242498
I don't think it could be something we haven't already seen in UBW and HF. Adapting Fate after everything we've already seen would be like adapting Ciel's route after Arc's route - a nice but very pointless gesture.

>>34242434
Yeah, it's such a supercut it cuts all the parts that make those moments emotional and battles cool. But that's fine.

Hey guys. I'd like to read Fate's VN in japanese but I would also like something similar to the ultimate edition. Could someone lend me a hand? The one in the mega folder is the old one right?

>>34242561
Yup, that's the tradeoff. You either get a ton of setup and a weak payoff, or a weak setup and a ton of ball-busting payoff. Take a guess which one works better at the cinema.

>>34242550
I don't care, still want my Fate route + mind of steel & spark liner high
>>34242581
In the newest version on beast's lair you can freely swap between jp and english text

What's the best way to get through KT? Looking at the flowchart is giving me an aneurysm

>>34242581
I'm reading it in Japanese right now and using the ultimate edition. They actually just updated it today by making the H scenes display properly when the language is set to Japanese.

>>34242605
Just read it and do whatever you please. Eventually, you'll run into a wall, but that means you simply haven't been somewhere before, which is when you can save at every multiple-choice and see what you haven't done yet.
The flowchart is to be used when you're done with the game and you want to find something you missed, if you missed anything.

>>34242599
>>34242627
Thanks!

>>34242627
>They actually just updated it today by making the H scenes display properly when the language is set to Japanese.
Nice. The last time I tried this, I got crashes at the Jackhammer scene in Rin's route.

>>34242605
Blind. If you're unlucky you might get stuck somewhere near the end, in which case just look up a walkthrough. Keep in mind that sometimes scenes will change depending on what choices you've selected that day, so it's not just a case of trying every choice, but trying certain choices after trying certain other choices. (If that makes sense).

>>34242530
I wish no TM title had ever gotten animated. All the anime do is attract the most retarded people into the fanbase.

I know you clapped

>>34242822
i was wondering how rider was standing up to Saber at her maximum power considering the VN says that the only reason she's surviving is because they're fighting in a small cavern which allowed her to use her agility.

>>34242822
Damn, how did you figure me out? Yes, I indeed clap every time I got to see Rider's dazzling body in its full glory.

>>34242846
Based and Medusapilled.

>>34242062
Last Episode is already animated, those hacks keep it locked up at the TM museum

>>34242822
I thought the scene where Alter gets stabbed was sadder in the movie because she just says "Shirou" like she just woke up at his house and wanted food after apologizing for sleeping, unlike the vn where you see her eyes turn into cold alter eyes before the stabbing.

>>34242297
Sound design made my ears bleed

>>34242893
No, the scene is the same in the VN. You see her eyes turn cold only when you refuse to kill her, and she stabs you herself.

>>34242904
She briefly returns to her real self before turning Alter again, she gets furious if you don’t kill her tho

>>34242904
I have to reread then and then reread fatale

>>34242921
Huh. I won't argue because I don't remember for sure, but I swear it was like that, because I even made a mental note of how she seems kind in death, but you know that it's fake because of the dead end.

>>34242904
>>34242921
My headcanon is that this was an intentional trick to test Shirou's resolve. If you don't go through with the stab, she punishes you and thus dead end.

>>34242904
>>34242943
Don't speak authoritatively with a faulty memory. Sakura calls her back before she gets the chance, which leads to Femme Fatale.

>>34242975
>>34242975

>>34242975
So Saber did wake up? That's a shame, I was hoping she wouldn't suffer such an end.

>>34243010
Pretty much.

>>34243083
I remember having 100%ed FSN installed on my PC for literal years, back when I first completed it in 2010 or so. It even had saves at every turning point, made these kinds of arguments much simpler. Then I upgraded my PC and forgot to back it up.
Now I can't be arsed to complete it again, it's just too fucking long.

>>34230600
>>34230724
What I remember reading was that she was confirmed in TsukiR but not Melty for some reason

>>34243209
I don't remember anything like that.

>>34243126
Don't you think 11 years is a big enough gap to reread it from start to finish? You probably have enough life experience to drastically change how you view it, and it's better than spending 60 hours here.

If nothing else, it takes like 10 minutes to skip the whole thing.

>>34240132
>Shizuki
>Ryougi Shiki
>Even Kokutou if you only want to compare the boys

>>34243387
>Kokutou
I mean I don't hate him or anything but everyone knows Ryougi carries KnK super hard. He can't touch Shirou.

>>34242846
This very unironically

>>34243387
>Ryougi Shiki
She's pretty bad compared to the rest of TM protagonist, which is not surprising since Nasu was still experimenting back then.

>>34243358
>You probably have enough life experience to drastically change how you view it, and it's better than spending 60 hours here.
You're right. FSN was my first Nasuverse work, so maybe I'll be able to find some things I haven't seen before. Maybe it'll even reinvigorate my love for Seiba, boy was I an obsessed Saberfag back in the day, even tried doing tulpas before this shit became actually popular a few years later.
I'll give it a shot.

>>34243465
I'm rather fond of Shiki (M) and Shiki ( ) but I do agree that what makes her good is more what she goes through and not much her personality.

>>34243400
He feels much less of an idiot than Shirou, makes me like him more. You're free to disagree though

Sometimes, you just have to.

>>34243750
The whole fight should have been like this

This thread turned into a shitty /a/ derivative at the halfway point

>>34243750
Have to what?

>>34243841
Post stuff like that for no reason.

...Did they seriously not use Die Lorelei for Ilya's last fucking moment? Fucking really? They thought that their generic fucking garbage was better than that goddamn melody that still makes me tear up whenever I hear it?
Fuck this fucking adaptation.

>Now just as the rain pouring down from heaven cannot turn back, i can never return to see the beautiful bricks of Ur

What does the average animeonlyfag think about Nine Lives Blade Works in spring song?
It was my favorite fight in the VN, but it's probably my least favorite in the movie after Shirou vs Kotomine (I don't like when characters have full ass conversations in the middle of fist fights).

>>34242887
It's not, they only animated the "Welcome back, Shirou" scene for a 3 minutes introduction video

>>34244000
Illya got cucked more than anyone ever in movies. FSN remake fucking when she needs justice

>>34245242
If a FSN remake happens we'd get promised an Illya route only for it to never happen even after it's split into two games and delayed for 15 years. It'd probably be faster for an anime original movie or two to get greenlit.

When do I have sex with taiga

>>34245265
It's not fair but given how much he wants to change something in FSN everytime he's in an interview it will take a lot of time.

>>34245175
That scene was so shit I'm convinced anime only watchers don't even know it was supposed to be a big thing.

>>34244000
They didn't even include the part she sung it in anyways.
>how should we convey illya's resolution of moving on and finding a new family in shirou
>why have her tear up and run off into her dead mother's arms of course!

Shirou...

>>34245271
taiga would be an old hag by now

>>34239646

This is like literally saying Shiki or Shirou don't have emotions lol.

>>34245862
Leave him alone, we all took turns to call him a retard already

>>34245710

>This was just a day for shirou and sakura

That's literally what the HF movies were all about. It's sad it didn't inclusion for the other characters but oh well it was still enjoyable in its own way.

>>34245710
>this was just a day for Shirou and Sakura, so I didn't want to put too much emphasis on Illya.
This guy is so pathetic. This is why waifufags should never be allowed to be directors.

In an instant

>>34240166
Seems like it. It's been years since Starlit Marmalade 2, and the release period between the first and second volume was relatively short.

>>34246541
RIP

>>34242735
>muh sicrit club

lol get bent autismo

>>34246004
The problem is, HF was also Illya's story. You had to get her points as well as Sakura's points if you wanted that good ending.

>>34240166
>>34246541
The HibiChika Time artist still draws short strips in Comptiq.
Starlit Marmalade 3 never.

>>34245710
>>34246004
>>34246016
I still remember how he promised a faithful HF adaptation.
What an asshole.

>>34248736
route's main heroine is the one you fuck

>>34248901
Then why did Illya get so thoroughly fucked in the HF movies?

>>34248936
because sakura got fucked even harder

also illya is an evil bitch

>>34249001
Sakura killed a bunch of innocent people but the evil one is Illya somehow.

>>34249040
zouken killed a bunch of innocent people but the evil one is sakura somehow

fate girls a shit
A SHIT

Illya has a route, it's called Fate/kaleid liner Prisma Illya and it's both longer and better than all of the other routes.
I don't get your obsession with her missing route in fate/stay night, even then she stole the show from Saber and Sakura.

>>34249159
It's the same as Sacchin's route.

>>34249159
also illya is a homunculus, she'd die in what? 2-4 years? great fucking true end for illya's route

>>34249159

>>34249159
Kaleid sucks

>>34249273
Why?

So how did having anal sex with Ciel help Shiki again?

>>34249437
bro, if pounding tight anus of a cute girl doesn't help you, i don't know what will

>>34249583
>cute girl

>>34249603
fairly cute unless you're more into incest

>>34249619
Im more into interspecies

>>34249583
Roa was inside Shiki and gave him a raging boner that could only be stopped with Ciel's holy anus.
No, I'm not joking.

>>34249819
Holy fuck

>>34249839
>Holy fuck
Indeed

kara no kyoukai fucking sucks

>According to Takeuchi during a Q&A along with Nasu, Ciel is an E-Cup, though her best point is her ass and "child-bearing hips". Takeuchi clarifies that Ciel's entire posterior altogether is her best physical feature, and that her big ass is made fun of by Arcueid

hmmm

>>34249925
I don't remember Arc joking about Ciel's fat ass, so I guess this will be one of the new things in TsukiR.

>>34249943

>>34249908
this anon's post fucking sucks

>>34250138
Not gonna lie, but I barely remember anything about KnK
Everything just kinda seemed like it happened just to happen but I didn’t really get the point of half of it
It just seemed barren
Idk maybe it was just because i was more focused on college when i watched it so i wasn’t paying super attention to it but outside of movies 1,3,5 and the last one i cant remember anything that even happened

>>34250126
Is it from that gag manga Carnival Phantasm was based on? Damn, I never read it.

>>34250297
Same. KnK felt so disjointed that I can't even remember the story in a coherent manner.

>>34250297
The trick is to read it. The movies are good but I felt I had a much greater understanding of it through the novels.

>>34249159
Prisma Illya is great, but I prefer the original Illya.

>>34250433
Don’t know nip and translations are awful

>>34250297
same, I only remember Fujino

>>34250297
How do you not remember movie 7? I fucking love that one. It's top tier.

>>34251129
What was 7

>>34251183
That's the one with the weirdo guy who had his origin awakened and started LARPIng as Shiki and eating people. I love the ending scene. I cried when I read it and later re-rewatched the movie.

>>34251300
Ah, Lio was movie 7? I remember he was there and how it ended, but don't remember why he was doing it.

>>34250867
Same, a shame that she will be forever remembered as the crazy murder loli by UBW kiddies.

>>34251749
i wonder why someone who isn't a 'murder loli' has so many bad ends

NOOOOO ERESHKIGAL!!!
Best girl died noooooo T^T
Fck you director, why you kill her!?

But looking at Gilgamesh & Merlin & Ana
She is probably still alive right? xD

Btw I hate that big tiamat for killing everyone
But it is a waste to kill her hot human version

>>34252774
Last week I saw a spic calling Nasu a shit writer because Fate was about "a good guy fighting a bad guy, both with no real motivations" or something like that.

Why did the staff at ufotable pour the most money into the least important fight in HF3?

>>34253213
muh seiba

>>34253213
because HF3 needed at least one epic fight. nine lives is shirou humiliating berserker with one hit, and kirei vs shirou is just throwing punches at each other with some chuuni lines in between, not sure why it needs more budget, fate is not street fighter ii

>>34253213
>>34253510
This, that was the fight to go all out.
NLBW and the Kirei fight didn't need more budget, they needed better direction.

>>34248758
Where you can pirate Comptiq usually?

>>34253510
>>34253711
That's fair since that's what the larger audience wants, but I still think they should have balanced it out more and instead of blowing 90% of their load there maybe tone it down to 70% and hire more talented individuals to handle those scenes.

That said, it seems like most of that audience was satisfied with the result so it's not like it matters anymore.

>>34253213
>>34253510
It's not so much a budget issue as they had the "up-and-coming" webgen artists do it to make things epic. The CG was pretty basic when you break it down, and the actual animation was low detail and off-model.

Hit the glowing weak point for massive damage!

>>34254512
But Shirou doesn't see Points of Death.

guess who gets to read on the couch?

>>34255003
Nasu is that you?

>tfw incest is literally in your blood

>>34255184
It would be hilarious if the family was already inbred and the psychic thing was just an added bonus that happened by chance

Why does illya hate sakura so much

>>34255626
She doesn’t really hate her so much, read more

What's wrong witht his fucking bitch holy shit kuzuki should kill her again

>>34255747
>waaaaah why does the servant care about her master

>>34255184
Shiki was destined to go the incest route