/jp/ - Otaku Culture

heeho

>>>/t/his+thread+will+be+good

Let's start this thread on a high note.
New onuma kuma Satoko.
Happy birthday, Keiichi!

Average WTC fan

What does the green truth even do?

>>34222442
what are the basin and measuring cup for

I have a good feeling about this one, Shannon. Maybe we can both finally find happiness in this thread.

>>34222442
Good post.
I need to start playing more SMTs soon beyond Personashit.

>>34222442
I am confused as to why these things need ballsacks.

>>34222407
Good post.
I need to start playing more SMTs soon beyond Personashit.

>>34222442
Considering that one Renafag...

>>34222532
so you can rub up against them when it's all the way inside you i would presume

Who did it better?

>>34222532
the balls stick to surfaces so you can back into or bounce on them and they also serve to prevent the dildo from accidently being lodged into someone's pussy or ass since the balls are too big for that to happen accidentally.

>>34222633
I prefer it when my demons are a bit different.
And cuter.
And funnier.

>>34222633
Uwaaah Im so hungwy!!! I hope Erika's wedding has good catering!!

>favorite Higurashi arc
>favorite Umineko arc
>favorite Ciconia arc
>favorite fruit
>favorite megaten demon
>favorite 4chan board besides /jp/
>favorite type of kemonomimi
>are you a virgin

>>34222759
EP 6
EP 3
EP 1
Orange
Baal, Beelzebub, Lilith, Lucifer and the reflective elephant
/x/
I'm not a furry
Yes

>>34222759
God damn data miner. When will he stop.

Why didn't Ryukishi write a demon loli for Umineko.

>>34222888
What do you mean? He did.

>>34222919
Maria was not enough, I wanted more demonic cunny.

DemiFiend could beat any witch

>>34222943
SMT lolis are just too based to emulate

I want to see Bernkastel drawn by Kaneko. The fuck that he disappeared forever in the field of flowers saddens me greatly.

>>34222442
thats hot

>>34222974
DemiFiend would job to Bern

>>34222975
I want Maria to step on me while she calls me a failure as a human being uooh ;_;

>>34223015
I mean, he still supervises design.

Say I were to make a WTC dating sim, which characters should be included?

He will rise again

>>34223148
Ooishi.

>>34223148
Okonogi

>>34223164
I'm referring to the female girls. Ooishi already serves as one of the soul brothers.

>>34223148
Oryou.

>>34222670
Well I learnt something today. It's useless to me.
Clearly you are skilled in the ways of the dildo anon.

>>34223148
Yasu

>>34223148
Italianon

Fuck it, your choices are Bern and Lambda and that's literally it.

>>34223175
Kumasawa.

>>34223148
Rosa, only she pines for Maria's father the entire time.

>>34223148
Lion. And you can't be sure of which equipment is being packed.

Why the fuck are you guys calling me obnoxious satokofag, there are far worse people than me
>>34223148
Satoko,Satoko,Satoko and atoko

>>34223148
Satoshi's aunt.

>>34223148
Rina.

>>34223212
ruined

>>34223148
Maria and Dlanor or I am not playing it.

>>34223230
ruined

>>34223245
wut

>>34223252
what what?

>>34223148
Gohda

>>34223261
shitty trash talking repetitive anon

>>34223294
i never trash talk anyone i just make posts which are extremely obnoxious

>>34223193
Kamige. If only R07 would make a real dating sim my life would be complete.

>>34223322

>>34223337
Was that really necessary?

It's so weird that even though I can't stop thinking of having intense sex with the Rika-chama every single day, I never find the words within me and the energy to articulate the myriad of positions and ways in which I would fuck Rika-chAN's little brains out until she turned into a drooling mess.

>>34223227
Finally, we've reached the Rina redemption arc

>>34222559
No, seriously. Persona is already peak SMT. Don't fall into their trap, like I did.

>>34223148
Miyao
Meow

>>34223337
my mom did this to me when I was a kid. Shit sucked.

Saw an ironic weeb on Twitter with a Lambdadelta avatar in the original PC artwork. You guys didn't gatekeep properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSb7UffsQjw
Satoko and Rika in nutshell

>>34223486
sorry to hear that.

>>34223473
Is your name Maria Ushiromiya?

>>34223148
if your dating sim doesn't have foot fetish CGs with Bern and Lambda, you're wasting your time

>>34223337
my dad and mom did not do this but they used to beat me a lot hehe, i love my family though they sometimes keep food away from me just because i have to starve but i loe them hehe

I'm thinking about changing my Lambdadelta twitter avatar to this one, any thoughts /jaypee/?

>>34223486
They're at least a little bit unironic if they know who Lambdadelta is. You already need to be pretty hardcore to know what Umineko even is, much less actually read it.

>>34223486
oh no, a twitter avatar, the humanity.

>>34223162
This shitpost is unfortunately correct.
He is threatening to come back at some point. Some quality anons even encourage him on twitter.
Enjoy the good times as they won't last.

>>34223516
Delete your Twitter account or fuck off

>>34223527
Pfthahahaha this guy think Umineko isn't one of babby's first VNs. Even /a/ has read it.

>>34223486
See: >>34212428

>>34223516
Delete your Twitter account and fuck off

>>34223502
no. back when i was a kid, my mom got mad at me for some reason and she ended up ripping apart all my yugioh decks that i worked so hard to build. took me forever you save up enough money to rebuild them since i was too young to get a job at the time.

>>34223549
As if reading VNs beyond Danganronpa and Ace Attorney isn't already hardcore to begin with. Remember, ironic weebs are people who literally only watch Konosuba and the like, and they're mostly either in the very early 20's or are outright teenagers. They would have zero idea unless they got started with Gou, at which point I'd sooner blame Gou than this thread.

>>34222477
This thread will not have a happy ending.

>>34223549
/a/ watched the DEEN anime only and had to be forced to read the VNs

>>34223540
Let me think about it
>>34223556
No

>>34223564
What the fuck
Is your mother a sociopath?

>>34223486
Fuck off, nobody cares.

>>34223564
are you me?

>>34223564
Shit like this is why parenting classes should be obligatory for any family with a pregnancy.

>>34223579
>>34223549
I know this is probably bait, but if the threads on /a/ made you think that these /a/nons have read Higurashi you NEED to refresh your knowledge.

>>34223590
no, she unironically has schizophrenia. I was so happy when I finally moved out.

>>34223564
My mum would just threaten to give my stuff away

>>34223564
My dad would beat me up if I did not tear apart my own toy. Your mom is merciful.

/07/th - parental trauma general

>>34223616
That sounds like hell
Glad you made it out alive

>>34223629
Sorry about that son but you had it coming.

My life was hell...
I was bullied in high school and also my parents abused me...
But one day I'll show them. I'll show them all!

When I was a kid, I hated being in my brother's shadow so I made up an imaginary world and spent most of my time there instead of living in reality. It was quite similar to a witch's gameboard, although no voyager witch ever visited me.

Realistically, with the statistics of child abuse in the world, there has been at least one anon in these generals who led a life very close to that of Satoko's.

Satoko anon... I'M THERE FOR YOUU!!!

My mother left my family when I was 4 years old
but it turns out she was just a shitty person in general so I was lucky in a sense

>>34223665
I think Rena's family situation is more common. Messy divorce (and quite possibly cheating) where you slowly begin to realize that one of your family members is not the superhero your child brain imagined them to be. I know I lived through that shit, so Tsumihoroboshi hit me where it hurts.

My family dropped me in an orphanage and it is shit. I'm like living Miyo's life.

I was ignored after making a good thread once... and it died with 0 replies.

I CAN'T HOLD IT IN ANYMOREEEEEEEE

>>34223665
They've all grown up by now, unlike Satoko who projects her past abuse onto her friends at the smallest transgression.

This is now a comfy lilja thread. All anons that were abused receive free headpats.

>>34223665
Me.

>>34223535
Based

>>34222438
This artist really understands how Satoko Syndrome feels.

>>34223745
Based!

>>34223641
you have no fucking idea the kind of hell it was, my mom despite having the body of a adult, had the mind of a child and it only got worse as the years went by. it was fun somedays, her having the mind of a child made it really fun to play with her since i was a actual kid at the time and could understand her better than my dad could but when she had a mood swing and got angry, she could easily overpower me and i got my ass kicked a lot by her. to this day, i have no idea why my dad didn't admit her to a mental hospital or why he stayed with her but it doesn't matter now, she's no longer in my life and i'm going to keep it that way.

>>34223763
Your mom might be Satoko after all.

>>34223763
Sometimes I forget that some of you are actual people with real lifes and troubles. Keep it rockin, anon!

>>34223763
Is your mom hot at least?

>>34223760
mgah

>>34223564
we weren't allowed to own magic cards or play bad guy factions in RTSes because it was the moral panic at the time, but they weren't that psycho

>>34223629
you're a cuck if you didn't beat the shit out of your dad when you became an adult

>>34223813
my dad liked her enough to get her pregnant and thus, created my existence. so there's that.

>>34223760
oh yikes, anon, that's not the Official Funimation™ Localization! What are you, one of those dumbass GAMERGATE creepshows?

My dad tried to rape me and nearly succeeded if my mom did not find out I am a male We still live in the same house

>>34223763
I bet that must have been confusing while growing up since she was your own mother
I hope your dad was able to pick up the slack for the parenting side of things though

Mum was a schizo who refused to get a job the entirety of my childhood, my dad was always scraping by making less than minimum wage and living on his mom's couch. Complete fuckups.

>>34223868
I hope you are trolling
If not then why the fuck are you still there?

I'm autistic but that's it. Compared to you guys I've had it easy. Loneliness and bullying were my only problems.

>>34223874
And now you are here, in a /07/th thread. I think you're an even bigger fuckup, but I can't really blame you.

>>34223885
My mom begged me that's why only for her sake

>>34223874
Sorry to hear that anon
I'm glad that you're here with us but some people just should not be parents, my mother included

>>34223890
Believe it or not, I'm somehow not, though I'm fully aware of what kind of person it takes to want to be here.

>>34223873
my dad wasn't a bad guy in the grand scheme of things, he worked his ass off to provide for me and he had to pretty much give up his entire social life to working since my mom couldn't get a job due to her mental condition. i wish he could of done more to deal with my mom but he didn't fully realize how bad my mom had gotten due to him being at work all the time.

Bernkastel shoved a dildo up my ass when I was 6

>>34223148
Wholesome time with Okonogi

>>34223926
ok ange.

>>34223926

>>34223926
Lucky bastard

>>34223902
Well if he tried once then what's stopping him from trying again? Get the fuck away from him and don't tell him where you went

Is this worse than my mom asking for money every time I get my monthly wage and insulting me if she doesn't get it or calling me useless? The fact that she says that "I wish you weren't born" so many countless is so insane. When once I haven't given her the money I had for my monthly wage, she simply said that me and her were finished and stopped talking to me or feeding me until i gave her money, she only sees me as money maker of family so basically as tool, as for my dad, he treats me useless all the time and only gives me shitty support through all the bullshit I have given, the fact that he beats me up when i try to stand up to my mom every time is fucking amusing. I can't do anything to both of them because we are family and i don't want any of us to be uhappy, i would really appreciate it if my family did not see me as a tool though, i also can't leave the house due to my ill sister, i have to take care of her otherwise they will beat her too, im so fucking annoyed but once i get rich somehow ill gtfo from this house. the fact that my mom and my dad sexually assaulted me too...i have told the police about this they are just saying "wait and see" the system is bs. my parental problems are only this.

>>34223923
Yeah I could see that happening
Are they still living together?

I've only watched Higurashi and read 1/3 of Ciconia. Should I read Umineko?

>>34223973
read the bible first.

I'm brainstorming ideas for the voyager witch dating sim right now. My idea so far is that you're a newfag sorcerer and the senate decided that you get babysitted by Bern and Lambda, giving you a golden opportunity to fuck one of them.

Unironical and actual thread theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx_9cD5wlKM

>>34223973
yes

>>34223984
I really need to read this eventually

>>34223970
they are, my mom cannot take care of herself so my dad has to babysit her everyday but he works from home now so it's not as hard as it once was. some days i think about reaching out to my mom but i don't even know if she wants anything to do with me now that I'm an adult.

>>34223963
What is a monthly wage? An allowance or your pay cheque from working?
Also I can see why you don't want to leave but what's stopping them from abusing your sister even if you live there?

>>34223973
yea, and the bible

ryukishi is a genius for drawing out such emotions from people

Okay we are talking about traumatic shit? I don't care we are anons in the internet but when i was at the school i liked my best friend and we were hanging out till everyday at the school until we passed a grade, i was simply making new friends and etc etc, there was a boy and another friend that I was close, they made him suck the other boy's dick for yugi-oh cards which was manipulative btw, he even offered money to fuck him etc. i did not understand the situation but when i was going to one of those classes i asked the guy and he just told me to do what he told me and i did, before doing it though I asked my best and unironically bestest friend that if it was safe? and it was not rapey shit or gay shit(i did not know those tersm)? He just told me "i did with him lmao dw dw" i was intrigued to the idea just to find out that i was fucking bamboozled and the best friend which i considered him close to me spread out everything about me, wherever i was going the people were making fun of me, my family life was shit too anyway, i was getting neglected and neglected finally one day i tried to report the principal they said they will do something about it but the guy said that he will beat me to death if i did not take back what I said, the principal did not even understood if I was getting forced. i tried to explain to my mom and dad the events but all they did was to beat me more and neglect me more, basically, fuck friends.

>>34224026
if they touch her who's going to pay the bills? i'd just take my sister and leave with her, she's ill cause of them anyway, they are in my mercy but i'm not showing any signs towards resentment becasue they literally can play victim on the police dp whenever we are going there, basically a shitty situation

>>34224038
Wait, this is not a pasta?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiHA7Aw2GiE

>>34223973
Unironically read Agatha Christie first if you haven't.

And here I am, having had a completely normal childhood and ending up getting depression anyways. The worst you could say I dealt with was essentially getting pulled along to do stupid shit like running around in woods and going on muddy fields with what was essentially a chuuni friend, who I tolerated for a few years just in case he was somehow telling the truth - that and he gave me free food, which I saw as worth the boring ass three hours of him playing music on a keyboard to 'summon the demons' or some shit. Think he's a druggie now, funnily enough.

>>34224118
You are Maria's friend?

>>34223983
Add bad ends for both girls, in fact the game should only have bad ends. Play with fire get berned

>>34223984
i wish more people would read Higanbana. sure, it's not on the same level as Higurashi or Umineko but it's still a good story in it's own right.

>>34223963
You should put away some money and buy your sister a present, it will make you both happy for certain. May I recommend a gigantic stuffed teddy bear?

>>34224004
She'd probably want to see her own kid all grown up but it's hard to say given her unique situation

>>34224056
nah its real and my most traumatic year

>>34224138
He wasn't as obnoxious, thankfully, otherwise I probably would've never dealt with him in the first place. It did help I wasn't exactly very extroverted back then, so most of the friends I had back then weren't repulsed by the fucking idiot I hung around with. When I stopped being his friend out of being sick of dealing with him - he'd gone through his biyearly 'dying and coming back a new man' arc at the time - I ended up having a much wider circle of friends afterwards, although I'm still not certain whether it was not hanging out with him anymore or my shift towards being more extroverted that caused that.

>>34224049
So why wait if you can afford to take your sister and leave?

>>34223983
Are you creating your own art for it or just reusing other peoples?

>>34224173
im planning to buy her a gift, her birthday is coming too its just i hate my parents because their abuse made her like this, im glad that they cannot abuse her due to her being ill and i set up a hidden camera, if they ever lay hand on her, ill destroy their life.
>>34224188
still working for that but they keep literally taking my money away but i am making money out of other things too like i have this hidden debit card, i will btfo out of this house soon with my sister, she will probably be glad too

>>34223963
Are you Satoshi? Can I marry your sister?

>>34224146
Shut up Blackler

>>34224211
nah im a real person sadly but my problems are similar anyway good night, i have to look after my sister, see you.

>>34223983
>scene where feet happen
>scene where Lambdadelta turns you into candy and cuddles you with her tongue
this is all that is needed, anon

>>34224151
Put it on steam then.

>>34224181
yeah, i just don't know what to do at this point. every time i attempt to contact her, all those bad memories come flooding back and i chicken out and don't do it. it's one hell of a mental block that's between me and my mother.

SUPERGENIUS GAYDEN

>>34224260

How would a wtc dating sim even work lmao
Most of the characters already have a romantic interest, so it'd turn into cuckshit pretty fast
Beatrice/Yasu - Battler
Shannon - George
Rena - Keiichi
Shion - Satoshi
Miyao - Jayden
etc

>>34224260
Wish I had a supergenius Jayden friend IRL to do super heterosexual things together like pick up chicks and play video games.

>>34224270
>when Miyao interacts with a woman

>>34224260
Best post for a while.

>>34224276
That's the best part

>>34224276
Miyao is single

>>34224276
>How would a wtc dating sim even work lmao
Just create an alternate universe were they never meet their love interests. Come on anon, be creative.

>>34224276
I have this sneaking suspicion that Ciconia will end up turning into cuckshit by the end

>>34224283
I wish I had a Miyao friend IRL to scold me and have long workout sessions with

>>34224276
so? this dating sim doesn't have to line up with the canon, just make it so all the characters are single.

>>34224357
Please god I need to see Miyao get cucked by Lingji and then pretend to be Meow to use Jayden as his rebound

>>34224393
Why would Gayden fuck that chink?

I tried so hard to appreciate Umineko storywise but it's shit

>>34224430
No Lingji will cuck him with someone else but Miyao will get depressed and use Meow's and Jayden's relationship to make himself feel loved

>>34224432
what did you not like about Umineko anon? be more specific with your criticism.

>>34224357
That'd be one surefire way to make me love Ciconia.

>>34224393
For me, It's seeing Jayden crying while Miyao gets his asshole violated by some high ranking officer.

>>34224450
>with someone else
The most likely pairing is LingjixMomotake.

>>34224450
Isn't it kinda implied Miyao also wants Jayden's dick though?

>>34224457
Why are Satokofags like this?

>>34224474
>Homotake

>>34224478
As a satokofag I cackled at that

>>34224476
Yeah but he's too shy to admit it so he'd pretend to be Meow in order to get the affection and passionate kisses he craves

>>34224432
did you watch the anime

was anyone else expecting some kind of callback to Miyao losing his fights to Jayden because of his arms being too short at the end of phase 1?

Ramadan

>>34224599
In a way, there sort of was

>>34224599
We haven't gotten the Jayden vs Miyao prophecy yet. I'm sure It's coming back for Phase 2.

>>34223983
Make a part where bern loses her memories for some reason and thinks that she's an actual cat and you have to feed her and train her to use the litter box

>>34224607
Can Naima still take her pills?

I heard that all the male protags in WTC are gay. Higu included

>>34224276
>Rena - Keiichi
Not confirmed yet
>Shion - Satoshi
He's in a coma, she needs to learn to move on
>Miyao - Jayden
Jayden wants to date Meow, not Miyao
>Beatrice - Battler
>Shannon - George
There's no workaround for this but like anons have said just make them single

>>34224634
There's nothing more gay than not wanting to kiss Yasu

>>34224634
Maybe.

>>34224634
K1 is hella gay. Nobody crossdresses as much as this motherfucker and Ooishi exists to remind him that he still has a hole.

What did Ryukishi mean by this?

>>34224662
Ahh he is so cute *_*

>>34224456

>>34224618
seconding this but add a spanking scene

>>34224686

>>34224655
>Rena - Keiichi
>Not confirmed yet
Pretty much confirmed, actually.
>He's in a coma, she needs to learn to move on
What the fuck?
>There's no workaround for this but like anons have said just make them single
You can't have single Beatrice as Yasu's affection towards Battler was literally what created Beatrice in the first place.

>>34224712
>Pretty much confirmed, actually
Please elaborate.

>>34224693
so you don't like that the characters developed over the course of the story? what a odd anon you are.

>>34224716
Have you read Tsumihoroboshi?

>>34224693
You mean where did everything go so right

>>34224693
Congratulations, the entire story went right over your head.

What if I can't read?

>>34224722
Yes.
Can you please post the scene were Keiichi says "I love you" to Rena or they start calling each other boyfriend/girlfriend respectively?

>>34224743
Not doing your work for you.

>>34224693
Wow you sure are a dense one anon

>>34224755
You sound mad.
Don't worry I will believe in what you said.

>>34224031
I like ryukishi stuff because I can take it as far as I want in my imagination. I've seen the characters enough to know their personalities an can daydream all kinds of alternate scenarios since his settings are open to interpretation and have a built in potential for any kind of fragment.

>>34224743
Mionbros do we have a chance?

>>34224712
>Pretty much confirmed, actually.
I read Tsumihoroboshi and you're full of shit, you could literally make the same argument for Mion with Watanagashi and Meakashi.
>What the fuck?
Fuck Satoshit
>You can't have single Beatrice as Yasu's affection towards Battler was literally what created Beatrice in the first place.
By that logic, Shannon and Kanon can't exist as separate characters in a dating sim either. It's best if you treat a Umineko dating sim as if all of the magic shit was real, Yasu isn't actually a person, and Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice are all distinct individuals.

>>34224813
Shut the fuck up and dont reply to me.
I don't care about shipping trash.

I just want Mion to be happy

>>34224847
She will be happy with her Okonomiya boyfriend.

>>34224847
Give up on your dreams and die.

>>34224854
Mion getting railed in college by the entire baseball team

>>34224854

Reminder that Chloe has VR sex with strangers

>>34224889
You would too if you could.

>>34224889
Chloe the free-use Canadian whore

>>34224717
>>34224730
>>34224769
>>34224733
I know there's a reason behind that, I'm saying the execution is fucking trash. He could've wrote it in a way that doesn't make the characters feel so disconnected by the end.

>>34224915
bait

>>34224814
>you could literally make the same argument for Mion with Watanagashi and Meakashi.
But, unlike Rena, Mion neither got a confession from K1, nor did she confess to him. What's your point? There was no romantic affection in Wata/Meak.
>Fuck Satoshit
Back to /a/
>It's best if you treat a Umineko dating sim as if all of the magic shit was real, Yasu isn't actually a person, and Shannon, Kanon and Beatrice are all distinct individuals
Yes, just disregard any charaterization and personality the characters have, that's what Umineko fans would want.

>>34224915
>I know there's a reason behind that, I'm saying the execution is fucking trash.
I understand not liking the mystery or other plot elements but holy shit anon, you are probably illiterate, lack emotions and have shit taste in general.

This thread's close to reaching bump limit and the other thread is still up. You guys suck.

>>34224935
>But, unlike Rena, Mion neither got a confession from K1, nor did she confess to him. What's your point? There was no romantic affection in Wata/Meak.
Where the fuck are you hallucinating this "confession" from, retard?
>Back to /a/
I've been here for years, fucker. I was there when Humilianon was still writing his great works. I was there when Italianon posted his manifesto for the first time. I was there for the Ange textwalls. You're a fucking disgrace to this planet.
>Yes, just disregard any charaterization and personality the characters have, that's what Umineko fans would want.
It's already what Umineko fans do with fanfiction and with hornyposting in these threads, you're stupid if you think anyone would care except your tryhard ass.

>>34224961
Stop metaposting.

>>34224683
Nothing, it's not Bern. It's just a mix of Vier's head with Meow's body. Right is Koshka's body with Naomi's head. Left idk.

>>34224977
God I hate Mion.

>>34224961

>>34224977
God I love Mion.

>>34224977
God I feel indifferent to Mion

>>34224991
I can't hate any female Higurashi character.
They all give me the drive to destroy my dick.

>>34224977
God I'm neutral about Mion

>>34225003
My balls are about to have a thermonuclear detonation

>>34224972
>Where the fuck are you hallucinating this "confession" from, retard?
And again I tell you to read Tsumihoroboshi. Do you want me to repeat myself until I just lose interest and you "win" the argument by default? Because you're doing a great job at that.
>It's already what Umineko fans do with fanfiction and with hornyposting in these threads, you're stupid if you think anyone would care except your tryhard ass
Faggot.

>>34225014
>And again I tell you to read Tsumihoroboshi.
I just finished re-reading it last week and I still have it sitting around in my computer. Tell me which chapter your confession is in or I'll just become 100% certain you're hallucinating whatever scene this is supposed to be.
>Faggot.
I can ruin your entire fucking life in 5000 characters. In fact if you keep provoking me I'll ruin it in 10000.

>>34224702
my cat doesn't.

Gannet is very cute, I hope we see more of her in phase 2.

Why can't we just get along?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5R-PUsp3fE
Lambda has the best image song

>>34225042
>Tell me which chapter your confession is in
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time and believe that you're just stupid and not trolling me, so here we go.
Go to the last chapter in Tsumihoroboshi, after Rena takes the whole class hostage but before they all die in the GHD.
Now if you're very sharp you might find a scene where K1 and Rena engage in battle on top of the school rooftop.
The next step might be a bit much as there is A LOT of text, but stick with me here. Skip to the scene where K1 makes the proposal to add a losing condition to the fight, and keep reading from there. (Pay attention this time!)

>>34225101
Because of you.

>>34225112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKNkd9tEgB8
I like Miyao's more.

shipperfags are mentally ill, holy shit

>>34225139
you probably have ships you support yourself I bet.

>>34225145
the only ships I support are canonical ones that have a love confession and are developed over the course of the story, instead of trying to misinterpret platonic feelings as romantic ones because I'm desperate for a relationship to exist between two characters who're literally just close friends

>>34224972
>wasn't even here for mystery anon
Can't believe I'm sharing this thread with newfags.

>>34225153

>>34225153
Haha she has pig arms and legs
I want to keep her as a pet piggy

>>34225156
>the only ships I support are
so you're a shipperfag then, hypocrite.

>>34225135
First time I've heard this, very kino
Are there other character/image songs for Ciconia yet?

>>34225181
it's not shipperfaggotry if it's literally canon retard

>>34225191
a ship is any pairing period and the -fag suffix means someone who supports it, you were a shipperfag all along while talking shit about shipperfags, what a hypocrite.

>>34225187
There's one called "rainbow" but I don't think anyone uploaded it solo yet. Xaki played it on a livestream, though:
https://youtu.be/Xnolc99GfhY?t=551

A ship is a vehicle which can travel on water.

>>34225209
I support canon, not ships. Tomitake and Takano are a canon relationship. I support them by not denying that it's real, and that's the extent of it. I have no further investment.
There are ONLY a few canon relationships in When They Cry. Here are ALL of them:
>Tomitake and Takano
>Natsuhi and Krauss
>Eva and Hideyoshi
>Kyrie and Rudolf
>Battler and Beatrice
>George and Shannon
>Jessica and Kanon
>Jayden and Meow
Everything else is either unconfirmed or can be interpreted as platonic, hence everyone who doesn't have undeniable evidence that these pairings are canon are mentally ill and either misinterpreting platonic feelings for romantic ones or believe that a character having a crush on another is a guarantee that'll blow up into a romantic relationship. I don't care for and have no stake in these relationships, they are just what are true, canon, and testified for within the text of the visual novels beyond a shadow of a doubt, hence I am not a shipperfag. Q.E.D and kill yourself

Do you guys accept /a/ refugees?

>>34225253
Sorry I forgot:
>Bernkastel and Lambdadelta

>>34225191
Does that mean you support both KeiRena and KeiMion since not only are they supported by confessions by also Ryukishi saying Rena's closer to Keiichi in the world of Matsuribayashi-hen?

>>34225253
>Here are ALL of them:
Where is Lambda x Bern?

>>34225253
>I support canon, not ships
A ship doesn't care if it's canon or not, so you're objectively a shipperfag, hypocrite.

>>34225271
>>34225267

>>34225268
What Ryukishi says is irrelevant until the exact moment we see Keiichi romantically interacting with someone with no possible way to prove that he's not in a relationship with that person.

>>34225226
Nice, I like this one as well
Would be nice to find an English translation of it

>>34225253
>George and Shannon
>Jessica and Kanon
Why did Yasux decide to kill them then?

>>34225257
Who the hell goes into a board and admits they're a newfag right away? I don't believe you.

>>34225279
At least I'm not mentally ill.
>>34225289
George confesses and proposes marriage to Shannon, and Jessica also confesses to Kanon. Both pairings are made to prove the strength of their love for one another in Furfur and Zepar's trials. Hence they are canon. I do not care about what happens afterward.

>>34225299
>At least I'm not mentally ill.
Anyone still staying in these godforsaken threads should be considered mentally ill.

>>34225299
So, George x Shannon is canon because George one sidedly confessed his love to Shannon but Shion x Satoshi is not despite her whole chapter revolving around her love?
lmao you're retarded.

Being dragged out from the festival by Satoko while Rika is about to start her dance! Finding a dark spot to avoid being seen! Satoko pushing you into a tree, nervously confessing her feelings for you! A massive tent forming just in time for her to gaze at your unmentionables! Hearing the magic words (Nii-nii) and losing sight and balance as more blood rushes to the relevant location! Being fully paralyzed after she willingly unzips your pants and intends to address the situation! Your hand sticking to her hair like a magnet after she starts licking your shaft! Feeling the warmth of her hands as she's cupping your balls, planning for them to be the next target of her delicate tongue! Observing Satoko's eyes as she's looking up while licking the precum that's already pouring from your rod! Satoko twirling her tongue around the head and smirking at your expression of immense pleasure! Escaping moans from your mouth as she no longer hesitates to take the entire subject inside her mouth! Attempting a take over by thrusting your tonsil cleaning apparatus down her inexperienced (?) throat! Tears, precum and saliva pouring over with a sign of makeup that has been ruined all in the name of guiding your anaconda down the right path! The cries of the cicadas warning that a white flood is coming and it's going to cause a great disaster! Satoko gripping and holding your ass as your man jam is pouring all down her throat, out her mouth, out her nostrils, and it seems to have some sort of difficulty stopping as she's trying to swallow it all!

What is Finland like?

https://youtu.be/BWyqZ4CbwAc

Now that's kino.

>>34225318
>So, George x Shannon is canon because George one sidedly confessed his love to Shannon
I think you're an idiot because she actually did accept despite reservations due to being furniture, and the feelings are explicitly shown to be mutual.
>Shion x Satoshi is not despite her whole chapter revolving around her love?
It's not canon because they never actually enter a relationship. Satoshi is in a coma for all of Higurashi and he never expresses romantic feelings for her or Mion, who he confuses Shion with. Hence it's not canon - they are not in a relationship and will not be until Satoshi is cured.

>>34225308
I wanna suck Satoko's Satocock.

>>34225226
Looks like someone uploaded it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4l_698YInk

Toujirou is a lucky man

>>34225342

>>34225356
SESHAT'S DARK NIPPLES!!! AAAAAAHHHH

>>34225333
Mostly polar bears and naked people running around in the snow and jumping in frozen lakes.

>>34225333
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FldD5hCrIWY

>>34225333
More importantly, what does Lilja's pussy taste like?

vier

Why is so much Ciconia fanart hidden in the depths of hell?

>>34225436
Cause barely anyone gave two shits about it.

Which WTC female should I fap to tonight? No grannies please.

Ciconia a shit

>>34225443
Oryou

>>34225441
Including Ryukishi apparently hahahaha.

>>34225443
Gaap

>>34225443
Kumasawa.

>>34225441
>>34225449
>>34225456
I'M SO FUNNY LOLLLLL XDD CICONIA BAD DDURRR CICONIA A SHIT HEEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE LOL!!! OWNED!!! I DON'T LIKE CICONIA NO NAKU KORO NI XDDD DAE RYUKISHI WILL NEVER FINISH CICONIA THANK GOD LOL CICONIA BAD MIYAO BAD XDDDDD ANYONE WHO LIKES CICONIA IS TRASH DAE CICONIA WORSE THAN HIGURASHI AND HIGURASHI IS THE WORST XD??? LOL CICONIATRANNIES FUCKING OWNED!!! XD I'M SO SMART AND FUNNY

miyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndromemiyaosyndrome

>>34225482
seethe more

Aaaand you've done it.
We've reached bump limit with the old thread still up. Congratulations.
Anyone feel like making a new thread yet?

>>34225482
more like shittonia.

I wish for more Koshka fanart.

I am going to fap to whichever female gets fanart posted of next

>>34225493
the previous thread hit image limit so it matters fuck all.

>>34225482
Imagine being this mad

>>34225489
what is a BOY doing wearing high heels

>>34225482
You sure owned them, anon. I think you deserve a sticker!

That's it, I'm done with you all. I can't believe this.

>>34225552
See you tomorrow.

>>34225515
bein sexy

>>34225429
Mämmi

I wonder if someone is still trying to decipher this track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBPIQAEctb8

>>34225501
A noble wish

>>34225507
>>34225531
UH OHH!!!! CICONIA SHIT!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I JUST SAID THAT CICONIA IS BAD LELELELE FUNNY I'M SO EPIC AND BADASS ON THE INTERNET SAYING CICONIA A SHIT YAY YAY FOR CICONIA DELAY NOBODY CARES ABOUT CICONIA CICONIA BAD BAD XDDDD DDDD I HATE CICONIA SO MUCH CICONIA IS SHIT LOLLL WHO CARES ABOUT VIER OMG WHY DID THEY REFERENCE CICONIA IN GOU??? I THOUGHT THAT HACK RYUKISHI STOPPED WRITING CICONIA LOL? (FOR A GOOD REASON TOO) GOD I HATE MIYAOPOSTERS NOBODY CARES ABOUT CICONIA LALALALAHEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAH LOOLLLLL XDDD OOPSIE SOMEONE MADE A GOOD POST ABOUT CICONIA? TIME TO REPLY CICONIA A SHIT HEHEHEHE CICONIA WORST VISUAL NOVEL OF ALL TIME 2018 HOW CAN RYUKISHI WRITE SOMETHING AS TERRIBLE AS CICONIA AFTER THE FLAWLESS MASTERPIECE THAT WAS UMINEKO HOW CAN CICONIA BE ANY GOOD WITHOUT MY WAIFU GIRLSLAVE SEXDOLL BERN AND ERIKA >:(((( IT'S LITERALLY JUST SHONENSHIT LOL YOU CAN ONLY LIKE CICONIA IF YOU LIKE LITTLE KIDS SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER, XDDDD THE SOUNDTRACK IS BAD OMGGG WHAT HAPPEN TO TAISHI AND ZTS DID THEY LEAVE YOUR SORRY HACK ASS LOL??? STOCK MUSIC AGAIN?? TSKTSKTSKTSK SHAKES FINGER NONONO BAD LITTLE RYUKISHI THAT DON'T MAKE ME HAPP HAPPY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH LILJAPOSTERS ARE THE CANCER THAT ARE KILLING THIS THREAD THE STORY IS SHIT THOUGH IT'S FULL OF TRANNY SHIT LIKE MIYAO'S GENDER WTF RYUKISHI HAS LITERALLY NOT WRITTEN ANYTHING GOOD SINCE BT DIED HE'S JUST GOTTEN MORE POLITICAL XDDD DHAHAHAHDHADHAHSHSHSJK HHHHH CICONIA BAADDDDD BAD SOUNTRACK BAD 3D CG (WOW HOW CAN ANYONE TAKE ANY SCENE SERIOUSLY WITH THOSE SHIT 3D GUNS) BAD STORY BAD CHARACTERS I CAN'T BELIEVE ANYONE EVEN READ THIS DRIVEL MUCH LESS LIKED IT WHAT THE FUCK HHAHHAHA BUT IT ONLY SERVES A PLACE AS RETARDED AS /07/TH BUT I BETTER TELL ANONS MY OPINIONS I'M SURE THEY'LL AMAZED TO READ MY INCREDIBLY "BASED" TAKES ON CICONIA NO NAKU KORO NI XD DLHKAHAH WOW I SURE GOT EM I SURE OWNED THEM I JUST ANNIHILATED A BUNCH OF AUTISTIC RETARDS ON /07/TH BECAUSE I TOLD THEM THE THING THEY LIKE IS BAD HAHAHAHAHAHA HHH HH HH H EVERYONE COME LOOK I'M SO SMART AND COOL AND SEXY BUT NOBODY UNDERSTANDS ME I HAVE NO FRIENDS AND MY FIRST GIRLFRIEND KEPT GETTING POUNDED IN THE ASS IN MY BEDROOM WHILE I SHITPOSTED IN /07/TH ABOUT HOW CICONIA IS BAD IN /07/TH THE FUN OF TELLING RETARDS THEY HAVE SHIT TASTE AND THE STUFF THEY LIKE IS TERRIBLE NEVER ENDS HAHAHHAHAHYYHAHAHHAHAYHAHAHHA OhhoHhhooOOhhhOO ciconia bad

>>34225503
>>34225531
A promise is a promise. Ne, Angeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Iihihihi~

See you all in 2 hours

>>34225636
I'm not sure if an edit of an existing sprite necessarily counts as fanart, but the alternative is Koshka, so I might as well make this exception.

>>34225632

>>34224947
Battler forgave Beato for everything after he realized what they went through, and I get that, but it contradicts with the story's setting. Even if the story is about forgiving people it would still be weird.

>>34225642
Cute

Ciconia bad

>>34225642
WTF is this and why do I like it

>>34225642
UUUUOOOOOOOHHHHH LILJA KEMONO PUSSSSYYYYYYY

>>34225676
>it contradicts with the story's setting
It really doesn't. I think you just aren't very smart anon.

>>34225691
Ciconia good

guiz lol i wonde if keiichi would let me guzzle his cum haha

>>34225728
Ciconia bad (informal) - good; excellent.
"they want the baddest, best-looking Corvette there is"

>>34225757
this but with bern.

>>34225676
>but it contradicts with the story's setting
How? What?
What does this even mean?

>>34225338
>nightcore

>>34225691
WHEN I FIRST READ CICONIA I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT MIYAO'S BOYPUSSY FLIPPING HIM UPSIDE DOWN AND MATING HIS ASSHOLE ENDLESS CUM FLOWING INTO HIS RECTUM GAUNTLET KNIGHT INTERRUPTED FOR SEX TIMES WITH MIYAO HAVING MIYAO SUCK MY DICK WITH HIS INCREDIBLE TECHNIQUE AND FONDLE MY BALLS AFTER TEARING INTO ME FOR BEING A FUCKUP DURING THE SECCOM TRAINING SESSION HAHA INTENTIONALLY PISSING OFF MIYAO SO HE'LL FEEL BAD ABOUT GOING ON A RANT ABOUT HOW BAD I AM AND HAVE SEX WITH ME PULLING ON HIS HAIR WHILE DOING HIM FROM BEHIND MIYAO THE WHORE OF AOU EVERY SINGLE FEMALE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD SUCKING HIS DICK SINGLE FATHER TOJIRO MITAKE GONE MISSING AFTER SEEING HIS SON SUFFOCATED TO NEAR DEATH BY LINGJI'S THIGHS
BUT THEN RYUKISHI HE WENT AND HE WENT AND IMPLIED THAT MIYAO COULD BE A GIRL WHAT THE FUCK. CICONIA MADE ME COME TO TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT I WAS GAY, THAT I WOULD STOP AT NOTHING TO GET ACTION WITH TWINK BOYPUSSY AND YET IT BETRAYS ME AT THE LAST SECOND HOW CAN ANYONE EVEN LIKE THIS KIND OF POLITICAL SHIT I'M SO TIRED OF AMBIGUOUS GENDERS HE DID IT WITH YASU AHHHH FUCK YOU RYUKISHI I HATE YOU HATE YOU HATE YOU WORST WRITER EVER I HOPE YOU DIE IN A FIIIIREEEEEE
NOW IT'S MY MISSION THIS IS MY REVENGE THIS IS MY LIFE'S WORK I WILL TELL THEM: CICONIA BAD. CICONIA IS BAD WILL ALWAYS BE BAD AND IS TERRIBLE. ANYONE WHO LIKES CICONIA IS MENTALLY ILL ANYONE WHO LIKES THE SOUNDTRACK IS MENTALLY ILL ANYONE WHO LIKES THE CHARACTERS IS MENTALLY ILL EVERYDAY I COME INTO /07/TH EXPECTING COMFY DISCUSSION ABOUT MY FAVORITE VISUAL NOVEL UMINEKO NO NAKU KORO NI AND WHAT DO I SEE SOME FAGGOT POSTING WITH A LILJA IMAGE I HATE YOU ALL EVERY DAY I HAVE TO TELL YOU HOW TERRIBLE CICONIA IS THE FACT NOBODY CARES ABOUT IT THE FACT ITS CHARACTERS DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE TOP 20 IN THE POPULARITY POLL THE FACT IT WON'T GET AN ANIME ADAPTATION THE FACT NO ONE DRAWS FANART FOR IT AND YOU DON'T LISTEN YOU JUST KEEP POSTING ABOUT THIS SHIT VISUAL NOVEL THAT BETRAYED ME I HATE YOU ALL EVERYONE IS AGAINST ME I HATE THIS WORLD I CURSE IT I HOPE YELLOWSTONE ERUPTS AND AMERICA IS COVERED IN RAINING FIRE AND SUFFERING LIKE SODOM AND GOMORRAH AND THE DECREASING WORLD TEMPERATURES LEAD TO MASSIVE NUCLEAR WAR AND EVERYONE KILLS THEMSELVES AND THE SUN EXPLODES AND ALL LIFE ON EARTH IS EXTINGUISHED EXCEPT FOR THE MICROBES DEEP DOWN IN THE OCEANS I HATE YOU ALL AAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA DIE DIE DIE

>>34225794
quality.

Last thread was so good, how did it turn out like this?

>>34225794
What the fuck are you on about?

>>34225794
Didn't you understand me? I said Ciconia bad, in the informal sense, meaning good.

>>34225794
Average Mionfag

>>34225830
But that's Shion.

>>34225804
I've noticed that whenever I start posting the thread quality drops by about 40%. It's just a coincidence though.

For some reason the thread goes to shit the moment I start posting in it, anyone know why this happens? Please I just want to have a good thread

>>34225804
Whenever Ciconia takes over.

>>34225840
Average Renafag

>>34225804
last thread was only good because it had an RGD OP

I'd like to confess my feelings to a 1983 OG Satoko and watch her reaction.

>>34225856
Nobody talked about rgd.

>>34225875
not true.

RGD is pretty bad.

07th works are pretty bad.

I already forgot which post this was supposed to be aiming at.

I kind of want to re-read Ciconia

Higurashi was pretty bad I thought we were all joking about liking it in the same way we say that The Room was good.

R-rika-chan? I didn't mean to scare you off like that. It was just a joke I took to far, okay? I don't think I can make it through the week without seeing your bare che- ahem, without seeing your smile again. You're still coming in for your checkup tomorrow, r-right?

>>34225700
>It really doesn't
It does, at least from the perspective of the characters. And like I said even if that's the point of the story he could've implemented it in a much better way unless its about forgiving some tranny for murdering your family in the most gruesome way possible because it's your fault.
>I think you just aren't very smart anon
It's an issue of feelings rather than understanding the message or whatever you're implying, retard.
>>34225777
The story starts off as a magic x logic mystery and it ends up completely the opposite.
>the mystery
>locked rooms puzzles
All of these are pretty much nonexistent since there was never a mystery in the first place and the locked rooms are all discarded as illusions and you're a goat if you tried to solve any of them, how stupid.
>ok what about the revenge?
Also fades away as if the murderers never happened. Battler realized his mistake and now he's ready to forgive everything Yasu ever did, just like that. The story went from a mystery to a romance in the shittiest way possible.

What's worse is Ryukishi not only left most stuff unexplained but will also insult you for misunderstanding them, amazing. I think Ryukishi cares more about playing with his readers than writing a genuinely good story, and that says a lot.

>>34225925
>he couldn't solve the locked rooms
Anon is dumb as shit episode #9999999

>>34225924
You're so weird, Takano.

>>34225910
Taking Satoko shooting!
Satoko's tiny hands struggling to fit around the grip of a 1911 or a Tokarev!
Satoko jumping at the recoil at first but getting the hang of it!
Satoko excitedly telling you about the size of her grouping after checking her latest target!

>>34225936
Are you saying were supposed to solve them?

I apologise for not being here as much as last thread, my friends. If only I had posted more, then perhaps I could have guided this thread down the right path.

>>34222347
So I tried downloading this but it told me the file was too big and that I had to download the mega app for the download.

did that and now it's telling me my transfer limit is up and that I need to upgrade my account to continue transferring the files from the mega cloud to my pc.

wat do?

>>34225966
Which path might that be?

>>34225925
>The story starts off as a magic x logic mystery and it ends up completely the opposite.
Which was the point.

>since there was never a mystery in the first place and the locked rooms are all discarded as illusions
No, what? The mystery is the mystery of Beatrice's identity which you can solve before it's given to you, and you can figure out the locked room illusions before the answers are all given to you in Episode 7. All of the stuff about "being a goat" doesn't mean you shouldn't try to solve Umineko, that just refers to all of the memes about looking at stuff with or without love.

>Battler realized his mistake and now he's ready to forgive everything Yasu ever did, just like that.
No, Battler's ready to share the burdens of what he's responsible for doing along with the entire Rokkenjima family and recognise that while what Yasu did was fucking horrific, Yasu being driven to commit murder was only a consequence of what everyone in the family did. Umineko isn't a revenge story.

>What's worse is Ryukishi not only left most stuff unexplained but will also insult you for misunderstanding them,
Ryukishi made it pretty explicitly clear and literally has an entire Episode of Episode 7 dedicated to explaining stuff for you, down to the locked room murders and who the culprit is and what their motive was. What are you talking about?

>>34225963
Its not necessary but I still chose to solve them because I am a smart lad and understand how closed rooms work because of that one Hyouka episode.

Rose Guns Days had a good start, but had an awkward ending. The characters kept me from stopping early on.
Meijiu LOVE!

>>34225977
>Ryukishi made it pretty explicitly clear and literally has an entire Episode of Episode 7 dedicated to explaining stuff for you, down to the locked room murders and who the culprit is and what their motive was. What are you talking about?
Seriously: Anyone who doesn't understand the core mysteries of Umineko after reading Episode 7 isn't paying attention. It spells out basically everything. The individual locked room mysteries are actually one of the few things it doesn't spell out (although it gives hints!), but it doesn't have to to explain the greater mystery.

>>34225974
The path of maintaining this thread's dignity, of course, whether it be through serious discussion or shitposting to guide along those with more refined ideas. I was not here to light those fires, and thus this thread has suffered. A shame, to be certain.

>>34225531

>mfw Takano-san calls me on the secret phone line just to gush about "rika channy licky licky cunny wunny" again

>>34225994
Did you solve any of them? What's the solution?

(She give me money) Now, I ain't sayin' she a gold digger
(When I'm in need) But she ain't messin' with no broke niggas

>>34226052
Anon please dont tell me you dont have any slight idea on how to solve them.
You probably didn't even notice the essential detail from chapter 4 from the looks of it.

>>34225968
forget to add: also tried to open the file talking about bandwith but it doesn't specify file type so not sure what to do.

>>34226091
vpn

Kinzo... Kinzo... He was afraid of committing the same sin again, so Yasu... she, she was... a female...

>>34226091
What are you trying to download?

My pee pee feels really hard for some reason after looking at some 07th girls and I dont know what to do I never felt like this before.

>>34226091
yes hello, i'm your tech support agent for tonight. first things first, did you try turning your computer on and off again?

I am offering free - yes - FREE hugs!
...anyone?

>>34226114
You have to touch your peepee until white stuff comes out

>>34226126
How do I touch.
Do I poke it?

>>34226085
All I know is they're delusions so I stopped trying to solve them, but I remember solving the ep6 one where everyone is locked in two rooms with tapes and Kyrie had to replace Battler to not create a logic error, but I forgot the solution so eh.

>>34226124
Mii...

>All I know is they're delusions so I stopped trying to solve them

>ciconia's main cast doesnt have any hags
>turns out to have the most fuckable cast in any wtc
Makes you think huh.

Hey, you. Try drawing a 07th character. It's fun. Don't worry if you can't draw for shit. It's the thought that counts. Just take any picture you like, use it as a reference and see what happens.

>>34226097
you mean like a browser vpn for downloading?
>>34226105
the 07th expansion archive

>>34226115
b-but anon, i've been using my pc for the past 20 years without turning it off. all the updates would crash my system! I don't know how much stuff they've added to windowsxp since then.

>>34226133
Grasp it firmly and then rub up and down and adjust your speed and how tightly you're holding it until it starts feeling good