/jp/ - Otaku Culture

die

yeah

I know what it's from but it don't make me laugh

die screaming

>>34136443
>cookie characters
Those are just touhou characters, but for some reason, some people claim that they're not.

>>34137111
>Those are just touhou characters
That's like saying yukkuri are just Touhou characters.

>>34138138
yukkuris are also just touhou characters

yeah

cookie is not funny at all. I just like the bootleg nazrin

>>34136483
>>34137073
this is our board now

>>34136443
I am, unless you mean specific videos in which case I do not.

Can you be a cookie fan if you can't read nihongo?

>>34140120
The source voice drama is translated. Everything else is just parodying it, including the following voice dramas. You can't be a fan of the characters that resemble Touhous without being a follower of the 3D voice actresses though, since at it's core it's just more seiyuu stalking but with Touhous cosplaying them.

>>34140625
I thought it was just one weird autist making his touhou sonichu. Didn't realise it was that involved. Weird.

>>34140672
No it's as involved as any other of the homo memes (in this case being a yuri meme) like the wrestling series and inmu(the latter of which it has absorbed into its following).

>>34136443
die secondary redditfag

>>34140980
dont compare GPW to shit like cookie*

>>34141900
Cookie is superior

>>34140120
i can't read JP very well but im still a cookie fan so yeah
>>34137111
they only wear the skins of touhou characters

I wish I knew where the fuck I can watch INMU subbed

>>34140120
Considering there are literally three English cookie-inspired voice dramas, I'm sure people found a way.

>>34143861
also want to know so i can understand INMU related shit more...

>>34137111
>for some reason, some people claim that they're not.
Because they aren't...

>>34143888
I don't get it

>>34143861
>>34143902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfRyNHZvRKI

>>34144018
holy shit people did a fucking dub what

>>34144018
Oh finally I was only able to find the first episode subbed

>>34144142
Plenty of East Asian people take English courses, it was just a matter of getting two (?) people who were willing to use it on a joke.
Remember, there are Cookie voice dramas in at least four different languages.

>>34144197
true i just didnt imagine it happening for INMU as well

>>34136443
I only like Ru because it is a fat Reimu and I am a chubby chaser

>>34144280
Too small

>>34144280
RU is cute as fuck

>>34144280
Are you interested in the real RU or just Reimu being drawn with her features?

>>34144280
So your taste is just shit. Good to know.

why are we actually pretending that these are unique characters

>>34146074
No one is, except morons like you who think they are characters to begin with. They're representations of voice actors from voice dramas and contain references to the real life people blended into the characters they voiced.

>>34136443
Why are her boots her entire leg?

>>34136443
jaypee doesnt like anything messing with their 2hus unless its ntr

>>34143376
let me guess, your fetishes are diaper, fart and feet?

>>34145562
That is considered morbidly obese in Japan???!

>>34149570
No, chubby
Shitposters going to exaggerate it of course

>>34136443
I love the fat Reimu, the OL Reimu and the trap Marisa. But only for fapping, and I try to not think about cookie and just consider them as 2hus during it.

>>34150552
You're jacking off to characters based on 3D! You're no better than a vtuberfag!

What Cookie videos are your favorite?
My personal favorites are:
https://a.pomf.cat/ifdfwb.mp4
https://a.pomf.cat/jeamag.mp4

>>34140120
idk can you watch anime unsubbed
>>34143888
nope they weren't made by EOPs

>>34153363
MajorMilk wrote the script for the three English VDs and he was absolutely EOP then.
Though I also don't take that as an insult.

>>34153422
Well actually Spanish as well but we all know EOP just means "doesn't understand Japanese"

>>34152674
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22627906
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm32985573
why pomf links though?

fuck hololive

>>34155270
It's probably best to save them. Even moreso if it's in a high resolution.

>>34158743
agree
>>34152674
i like 音MAD videos.
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm38490799
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm38348915

>>34152674
>>34155270
>why pomf links though?
I haven't heard too much fuss over it, but it appears Niconico finally retired their "smilevideo" servers about a month ago. Simply can't reach out to them anymore. This was their traditional infrastructure for video distribution, and is what the flash version of the site used.
The consequence is that all videos uploaded before late 2016 (and some others*) no longer have their original encoding accessible. For many videos this is not a big difference, but it is particularly annoying for:
>Videos which have had their FPS dropped arbitrarily in the process (like sm19673281)
>Videos which were already optimized for economy-mode by the uploader (under 600kb/s audio+video streams), and now take a further hit in quality
>Videos which used the exceptionally high bitrates for something novel, like complex effects or high framerates. https://files.catbox.moe/x4szfe.mp4 would be an example, though it looks like it was privated recently.
None of this comes as a surprise, and anyone with an interest in backing up content on NND knew this was coming ever since the HTML5 player and it's new video distribution infrastructure became the default. I backed up my playlists/マイリスト years ago, so it only burns me when I run into an older video I hadn't previously added to a playlist.

* https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/blob/master/yt_dlp/extractor/niconico.py#L453

>>34161258
>anyone with an interest in backing up content on NND knew this was coming ever since the HTML5 player and it's new video distribution infrastructure became the default.
When was that

>>34137111
take a look at this marisa, marisa, marisa, marisa, marisa, marisa, marisa

>>34172529
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/動画視聴ページ html5版
The beta was released on 27/10/2016, and it became default on 13/07/2017. So the flash player has been effectively end-of-life for 4 years. I would imagine that the smilevideo servers were also used as the backend in any old smart devices or applications which integrated with niconico but were not actively updated, but I doubt they were a huge factor relative to flash.

I could be wrong, but if I recall correctly the HTML5 player initially just copied the smilevideo encodings (regular and economy), while only using the new resolution-based encodings for new uploads. Eventually though, they started going through an re-encoding most videos. That was the last canary in the coal mine for backing stuff up.
As for why they didn't keep the old encodings, my guess is this was primarily done to make the videos load faster and handle poorer connections via HLS streaming, and resolving videos which played poorly in the new player due to browsers choking on unusually encoded videos. It also could have been done to save bandwidth costs on videos which used a much higher bitrate than what would be expected for the resolution/content. I've seen a number of videos that went from 100-70MB to 50-30MB or less after the re-encoding process, which adds up pretty quickly even if only a minority of premium users encoded with exceptional bitrates.

While Niconico did not have to do it this way, they are mostly following industry standards, and were the oddballs for not re-encoding video in the first place.
This was never nearly the issue on Youtube, since re-encoding was always the process, and quality has mostly only improved over time, and so the switch to HTML5 was much less painful. They even enabled 60fps in videos which were uploaded with it before it was an option. On the other hand, only the uploader ever gets to see the actual source video, and that's only a recent change IIRC.

Coincidentally, Bilibili also had a system to avoid re-encoding by uploading videos as FLVs below a certain resolution/bitrate. FLVs do not natively play in HTML5-based browsers. Instead of re-encoding the videos to MP4 like Niconico did, instead made a player which handles the remuxing to mp4 on-the-fly in the client player, since MP4 supports the same h.264 and MP3/AAC streams that FLV uploads used:
https://github.com/Bilibili/flv.js/
Probably has caveats as well, but that does save the trouble of re-implementing the backend and mass-reprocessing the videos, and doesn't mess with the original quality.

>>34172529
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E5%8B%95%E7%94%BB%E8%A6%96%E8%81%B4%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%20html5%E7%89%88
The beta was released on 27/10/2016, and it became default on 13/07/2017. So the flash player has been effectively end-of-life for 4 years. I would imagine that the smilevideo servers were also used as the backend in any old smart devices or applications which integrated with niconico but were not actively updated, but I doubt they were a huge factor relative to flash.

I could be wrong, but if I recall correctly the HTML5 player initially just copied the smilevideo encodings (regular and economy), while only using the new resolution-based encodings for new uploads. Eventually though, they started going through an re-encoding most videos. That was the last canary in the coal mine for backing stuff up.
As for why they didn't keep the old encodings, my guess is this was primarily done to make the videos load faster and handle poorer connections via HLS streaming, and resolving videos which played poorly in the new player due to browsers choking on unusually encoded videos. It also could have been done to save bandwidth costs on videos which used a much higher bitrate than what would be expected for the resolution/content. I've seen a number of videos that went from 100-70MB to 50-30MB or less after the re-encoding process, which adds up pretty quickly even if only a minority of premium users encoded with exceptional bitrates.

While Niconico did not have to do it this way, they are mostly following industry standards, and were the oddballs for not re-encoding video in the first place.
This was never nearly the issue on Youtube, since re-encoding was always the process, and quality has mostly only improved over time, and so the switch to HTML5 was much less painful. They even enabled 60fps in videos which were uploaded with it before it was an option. On the other hand, only the uploader ever gets to see the actual source video, and that's only a recent change IIRC.

Coincidentally, Bilibili also had a system to avoid re-encoding by uploading videos as FLVs below a certain resolution/bitrate. FLVs do not natively play in HTML5-based browsers. Instead of re-encoding the videos to MP4 like Niconico did, instead made a player which handles the remuxing to mp4 on-the-fly in the client player, since MP4 supports the same h.264 and MP3/AAC streams that FLV uploads used:
https://github.com/Bilibili/flv.js/
Probably has caveats as well, but that does save the trouble of re-implementing the backend and mass-reprocessing the videos, and doesn't mess with the original quality.

I should also note that compared to Youtube or Bilibili, Niconico's development and operations team seem to be really conservative/traditional, understaffed/heavily outsourced, or a combination of it.
The HTML5 player's beta release was years after most video providers had offered one, and there were already browser extensions for HTML5 video on Niconico that supported most player features and did not have nearly the issues of the original official beta. The whole uploading/processing system for smilevideo was painfully slow, even in Japan, by 2016, and they still recommended 480p and 360p as video resolutions. The worst of it was probably niconico live, which still had timed streaming limits for free users and a painfully low-quality stream quality compared to Twitch or Youtube at the time. Oh, and they still have regular planned downtime for maintenance (usually the hours with the least Japanese viewers), which is unheard of with their competitors, and they have significantly more unplanned downtime as well. And with all this, they only recently began to open up login-less viewing, and HD content is still often locked behind economy mode during peak hours.

On one hand, it was one of the few sites which actually followed the "don't fix what ain't broke" mentality pretty well, so using Niconico in early 2020 was nearly the same as early 2012 if you kept using the flash player, since that was the last time it was redesigned (Zerowatch).
On the other hand, even with all the failed/unliked changes that other video services went through, they eventually all outpaced Niconico on the most eseential feature of the site - serving videos/streams quickly and smoothly at an acceptable quality - and so Niconico's appeal increasingly became tied to both its existing catalog of videos and features most viewers can live without. Imagine how well 4chan would be faring in attracting newcomers and keeping oldcomers if content on /wsg/, /gif/, and /f/ were the primary draw to 4chan, rather than anonymous discussion/shitposting.
/blog

>>34177776
>>34178235
Japan is so tech illiterate.

>>34187353
Thank goodness. Tech literacy seems to involve removing useful and working features from things all the time.

>>34188162
And not adding them as well.
Oddly enough people never seem to appreciate them until they're gone.

FUCK COOKIE NIGGERS!!!

>>34177776
One moment. reading this.
>>34187353
I always had the impression they were good with that stuff, but I guess 30 or so years is enough time for any country to fill the ranks with illiterates.

>>34177776
Sounds horrifying in all honesty. I'm not entirely sure what all to say. My input probably isn't worth much so I'll just leave it. With something that old, fixing a problem only creates more problems. Outsourcing is the final nail in the coffin really.
>I've seen a number of videos that went from 100-70MB to 50-30MB or less after the re-encoding process
?
Did you take a look at the media in the page info or is there an option to view that stuff?
>On the other hand, only the uploader ever gets to see the actual source video, and that's only a recent change IIRC.
Bullshit.
>they only recently began to open up login-less viewing,
I don't remember this being a thing. Then again, I rarely use NND. I probably encountered it once but I wouldn't remember even if I tried to since it was from the era of slow internet speeds for me.

>>34196556
>Did you take a look at the media in the page info or is there an option to view that stuff?
Downloaded the smilevideo and later the dmc server encodings with youtube-dl
>On the other hand, only the uploader ever gets to see the actual source video, and that's only a recent change IIRC.
Yes, for Youtube. I can now download the original video of an upload, and I previously do not recall that being a feature for some years.

>>34196605
>with youtube-dl
Oh, that explains it.
>I can now download the original video of an upload, and I previously do not recall that being a feature for some years.
That's a recent feature. It's probably a year and a half-two years old by this point. It's definitely useful that's for sure... If you want to pay for it that is.

>>34196680
Specifically, if I upload a video on youtube to my personal youtube account, and go into the options for that video, I can download the original copy without any catch or price. That was what I was referring to.

>>34196778
Oh. My bad. Still, that's nice.
They can still review videos that are private though, so it's not a foolproof option for video storage.

>>34164573
What's the story behind the lion?
Sorry if this comes off as a stupid question.

>>34200008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3EYae9gK2s

>>34200311
Thanks dude

>>34138952
none of them are nazrin

>>34143861
Wasn't there a playlist for that specifically? Or am I imagining things?

>>34145562
These were good. Props to the guy who made them

not so fast

>>34136443
They probably don't care

>>34136483
rude

How the heck is YJSNPI still not doxed? Is he dead or something?

I like the mommymus

>>34253303
Why would you even want that

>>34145562
it's probably the latter for that guy. only interested because "fat reimu"
>>34253303
dont know about him, but it's crazy how people who have left years ago are still being found today (e.g. HZN), though.

This is a weird question, but does cookie produce content aside from MADs?

>>34263330
voice dramas, bb theater, cookie parodies of other content, inmu let's plays

>>34263330
>does cookie produce content
Are you that retard again? You're asking something like "does gachimuchi produce content aside from MADs"?

In case you're a different kind of dumb, obviously there is fanart by fans of the original dramas, other videos that become part of the main works, dramas that are stupid or semi serious works but are not original dramas but rather use the sounds and images provided by the original work and the community, other works using the various clips and sound bytes, and then there's dumb shit like that one guy who makes all the really scatalogical humor related videos that got posted on /f/ a bunch.* The word "MAD" covers pretty much any sort of fan video or sound clips that are secondary productions, so in terms of video MAD pretty much covers everything that isn't a base work.

*ones like
http://archive.4plebs.org/f/thread/3387054
http://archive.4plebs.org/f/thread/3409927
and http://archive.4plebs.org/f/thread/3397066 which apparently has a list of all of those that were posted on /f/. The name of that creator is also mentioned in those threads.

>>34263330
Produces drama and stalkers and memes revolving around the actors

>>34263810
>>34263835
I should have added aside from drama then, but maybe there wouldn't be much since it's integral to cookie.
>>34263810
Still looks fun, even for drama.

>>34275000
What other content is there besides art, music, MAD, and drama that you are looking for?

>>34263835's drama means drama in the real life problems sense rather than voice dramas.

>>34275045
I don't follow it closely, that's why I asked.
Whenever I come across it, it's made by someone else either as just music or something other.

>>34140625
Precisely why I'm glad there will probably never be official touhou anime, because then there would be official touhou seiyuus and my wonderful fiction girls would be forever attached to 3d fuckpigs. I will reject this fully if it happens, pretend it doesn't exist.

>>34275072
>Whenever I come across it, it's made by someone else either as just music or something other.
What do you mean? Rather what do you think cookie is that you said that?

Other than the person who made the original drama and the few following one's it's a community thing. That they're made and voiced by difference people is why they refer to the characters differently to begin with, so that you're referencing Reimu in X drama, voiced by Y person, drawn by Z person in a simple way: The name of the voice actress with the art style of the artist, and maybe some memes about the actress or general community lore inserted. Cookie culture at its base is just a set of voice dramas inspired by the original voice drama, which I forgot the name of but is something like 'Alice and Marisa's Cookie Kiss' or something.

up.

It's my birthday so you guys have to spoonfeed me and tell me where to find more cookie videos, I've watched all of the ones here
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVT4Fb04ONBdcNG3F-M0cQnoZ6W-aOTZ-
But whenever I watch otoMAD collabs I sometimes see characters I've never seen before, where else can I find subbed cookie videos? I don't know japanese yes I know I'm a loser for that but It's very hard for me to learn something alone

>>34281717
I don't know if that contains the English language ones but there are English language ones too which might be what you were missing. They could also be characters that are tangential to it so you should give an example of videos with characters you don't know and point them out.

>>34281717
>where else can I find subbed cookie videos?
Not sure.
You'll have to search for them yourself unless someone has a few others you haven't come across.

>>34281717
have you watched all the ones in danbooru's wiki page?

>>34289101
>have you watched all the ones in danbooru's wiki page?
>watched
Does Danbooru actually have that stuff?

>>34292751
it has the links to youtube and niconico

>>34293211
Well thanks. I didn't know they had that stuff. Usually I come across stuff that's barred by login.

I hope NND doesn't disappear. Some sites are going down. Most of them being sites I never imagined would go down.

>>34311938
Someday they will.

>>34315267
Well I hope they don't. The alternatives are terrible.

Favorite cookie?

>>34330427
Drama: Gorgonzola was the most shitposty and the most fun to actually watch.
Character: Joker, because I find the in-jokes about her the best.

>>34256918
HZN is back?

>>34333389
doesn't do anything much anymore, but they found his twitter a while back

>>34333487
damn those dudes are good

>>34333535
leave it up to the japanese to track down a man that's been gone for 10 years after he's tried to hook up with some girls for a voice drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCelB3LywY

>>34332802
>Joker
I honestly forgot Joker existed.

>>34347457
thats her job tho, to be forgetable.