/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Lmao no absolutely not

>>32823396
Of course
Just look at Touhou, once a giant among the fans of japanese culture
Now? Completely forgotten, everyone started waching Vtubers instead
It's quite a paradigm shift indeed...

>>32823547
Betch, 2hu had been on the decline in the cultural zeitgeist years before vtubing was even a think thanks to flavor-of-the-year gacha games

>>32823396
>>32823547
we should be talking about the demographic that actually buys things not you dweebs.

>>32823547
Man I saw people bitch about the relative lack of 2hu content beyond the games and artwork a million times over before vtubers beyond Kizuna Ai got big.

>>32823396
Not the merch business, they'll just shift to making vtuber figures instead. We've got 5 upcoming figures from Hololive alone

>>32825411
Yes, but that's Vtuber merch.

I want anime to be good again, or at least less shit.

>>32825071
2hu still rules, tho I did notice less flan pron.

>>32825567
Anime will never be good again. Anime is shit now because companies only care about quantity over quality, but if they lost the income from merch, there would be less quantity (less money to produce as many shows), but no increase in quality (there's no extra money being put in to make shows better).

what's a 2hu?

>>32823396
Vtubers and gacha are the two biggest revolutions in the otaku industry because it allows the industry to convert "character love" into money with direct and unlimited payments.

Prior to this, companies had to bust their ass off creating merchandise that most people didn't necessarily want or need and had to complete at fixed price points with massive overhead costs, in the form of BDs or preorders or figures or whatnot. Now they can collect directly, and more important, they can collect from the long tail of people who have way too much fucking money.

In the ten or so years prior to getting into either gacha or vtubers I'd spent maybe 2k on otaku goods (mostly doujinshi, since I don't really purchase digital products and don't collect figurines), but ever since getting started on the new generation of money sinks I've put in maybe twice that again.

>>32823792
Looking at Japan one of the popular groups of vtubers released a concert tour on BD last year and that sold around 9,000 copies. Think only 2 TV anime shows did better on that metric during 2020. The album of the same group sold around 30k copies which I don't think would be considered fairly good if it were anison. Although not competing with huge franchises that really blow up. They're all starting to get their goods in actual stores, and products licensing their images now too.

But I don't really see the premise of it displacing anime merchandising, if anything its going to be the same companies profiting off of vtuber merchandising to begin with.

>>32827039
>which I don't think
which I think even

>>32826952
Yeah but you can also freeload of the people who do pay for most stuff, for now at least, and you can make sure you get more of the exact content you want unlike with anime.

>>32823396
It's not going to kill anime, but it's going to displace certain genres. CGDCT, for example, is made superfluous by the existence of vtubers. This is because
1.) An ensemble of Vtubers can be produced far more cheaply than a single CGDCT anime.
2.) Vtubers offer the pretense/illusion of interaction with the audience, whereas CGDCT does not and cannot.
3.) Whereas characters in CGDCT are pieces in a story, Vtubers are "real" people.
Whether this is a good thing or not is a different matter from whether it will happen, which I guarantee you it will.

>>32832900
Good

>>32832900
I think the real people part kind of ruins it though. If you ever get into vtubers enough to go past the very surface level and actually end up into it enough to find yourself caring about any of them you will quickly find that you are becoming worried when almost everybody has dramas, ends up getting flamed for something or other, has a second account where they cry about something or other, brings up whatever real life problems they have. People don't want stress from their CGDCT anime, they want brain death.

>>32834027
That's a personal issue, choosing a drama whore for your oshi and then waifuing then.

>>32834027
>I think the real people part kind of ruins it though.
It's the exact opposite, bro. You know how everyone (rightly) complains when anime does "drama" and it comes off as contrived bullshit that only happens because the story requires it? Real people means potentially real drama, potentially real pathos, and thus potentially real entertainment. Like, for example, when Miko came back from the vtuber meet-and-greet with exactly 0 people having signed up for her and wept on-stream because of it before pledging to do better? It was like something out of an anime, except better because it's something that actually happened rather than a development that a production committee decided upon.

>>32841057
If you found that entertaining that's pretty disgusting desu

>>32841057
I meant as a replacement for CGDCT specifically. Those shows aren't really about drama, they are minimal conflict, turn your brain off and think thats cute things. If you were say talking about replacing idol anime or more dramatic stuff then sure.

>>32841161
How is it disgusting? It was inspiring if anything, in the sense that it was probably that incident that led her to be more real with her audience about who she is and what she likes. It was the beginning of her transformation from generic moege heroine following a corporate script to who she is today.

>>32834027
I guess yeah. It'll be interesting seeing how people get affected by seeing the persona and also being aware of the real person behind it, especially if they're 'themselves' on stream.

I know in my own case I've started feeling attracted to Mio's roommate and I really wish I wasn't. Unrequited love and all that. Im sure we'll eventually see Perfect Blue type situations because of that as vtubing becomes more known and lucrative

>>32834027
>has a second account where they cry about something or other, brings up whatever real life problems they have
Old habits die hard, Azulim

>>32841513
Hey man, it sucks to like someone who’ll never respond, but hey, that’s all waifus hehe.
A heart that hurts is a heart that works, as Placebo sing.