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3p, tanyao dora 3 = mangan

3P

2 players in riichi and I dont know their discards cool. Fuck it, 3 Pin.

>>3053506
>>3053508
>>3053512
3p or the 4p is the worst choice.
You would be likely ron'd if not double ron'd
Or can you see the discards of th other players and can tell that the 3p is safe?

>>3053531
What. OP shows us only those 14 tiles.

4 round

All choices are horrible, just some are worse than others.
4p is the most dangerous, 6s second.
3p = tenpai and probably 2nd safest tile to discard.

Getting rid of the 2 sou seems to be a good choice, because that opens you up for either an eight or five sou wait. Then again it all depends on the discards from both of the players.

genbutsu betaori is the best choice.

I'd play safe
If there are already 2 riichis out, I would already give up on my hand and try not to lose.

I would discard the 6s.

I already have three 6s and it's not a dangerous tile like the 3-7 what can be used in two easy basic yaku (tanyao, chanta).
Since I do not know what is in their ponds I'd go for the (for me)most safe looking tile. if it goes through I have 2 more free turns where I can just cut the other two.

Anyway here are the results:
2s:234 clicks;
6s:200 clicks;
4p:144 clicks.

>>3053574
>3p probably 2nd safest tile to discard.

Do elaborate please!

>>3053650
My train of thought is probably totally different from yours but:

1. 2 people are in tenpai. I don't know for how long already. It could be several turns. Why did nobody win? Maybe because several of their winning tiles are in my hand (+wall)?

2. I have 3 4p and 3 6s in my hand, so the probability of any open wait that already includes one of those tiles (34, 45 pin, 56, 67s) is lower than any other waits. Therefore, since 3 of each have been hidden from the other players , the chance of waits built around them (since they didn't draw them themselves and didn't know that I have them in my hand already) are higher (23, 56 pin, 45, 78 sou)

3. Other than that, we don't have any information.
Therefore, 3pin, 5 and 7 sou seem(!) less dangerous.
However, the 5s could also be the wait of 34sou and the sole isolated 2s is therefore also dangerous.

4. Cost: There are 2 tiles left. Tanyao is a more likely than yaku than chanta. Should someone really need either the 3 pin or the 7 sou for a tanyao pinfu, the wait for 3 is 1 han more (dora 4p), a hand with an edge wait on the other hand is most likely worth less.
Therefore, I concluded that the 7sou is the safest tile (for 1 turn).

This works only if the others try to build open waits.
Did I get anything wrong?

She taught us the danger of dora. Betaori is the best.

Did someone say "dora"?

Can I have it?

http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447

Bump.

>>3053755
>Did I get anything wrong?
Nothing, except that you assumed, they are in tenpai for several turns. You don't know if that's true or not because the author only told us, it's the 10th discard, nothing else is known.

The rest is however very convincing.

I would include the 3p as dangerous too, simply because you don't know where the last 4p is, and because of the fact that people like to build their hands around the dora.

Why would you do this?

>>3054037
Yes, we see only 14 out of 136 tiles.
The only thing we know is: "Tiles that are in my hand are not in anyone else's hand"

The last 4 or 6 could be in someone's hand, just the chance is lower than for a tile of which I have only 2, 1 or zero in mine.
And if it is in one of their hands, it has to be part of the last incomplete sequence/pair

>>3054049
Well, he drew the tile himself and is 2nd place.
What should he do? Discard it, be in furiten and give the dealer (3rd place) a better chance to win?

Looking at hhen's hand, the tsumo was the best he could do.

>>3054095
I know I would. There's enough safetiles to not deal into others' hands, what's the worst that could happen? hhen winning? hhen winning by tsumo for -6000? Are 8 (18, on Tenhou) points worth it when you can fight for the win?

I blame Tenhou scoring system. 2nd, 3rd and 4th places should be punished equally to discourage that kind of play.

>>3054171
Do you not see is pon on 6m? His hand isn't going to be worth much even if he waited.

>>3054171
If hhen won he'd be third place.
if hhen actually tsumo'd (last 9 is in the wall? I can't see it) for 18000 (or more), the game ends, hhen is 1st, Tokiko 2nd and essnov 3rd.

So if you are Tokiko, you should be happy.

2nd place is good as long as your points are 0 or higher. Try playing for money in real life to understand that.

>>3054229
A master is out.

>>3054171
He also could have been thinking, "I want to get this over with."

I would drop 4p, cause only a stupid motherfucker would wait on the fucking dora.

>>3054252
Not as stupid as the person who gives their opponent one extra han by discarding a dora into their riichi.

>>3054229
>Try playing for money in real life

Bah. You proles and your complete disregard for sportsmanship.

>>3054252
Waiting on a dora pair actually works.

http://www.tenhou.net/0/?L7447
Let's play

3:0 bump

need some more

1:4

>>3053495
Depends on the discards, ordinarily I'd throw the three pin, you have 3 of the dora so the chances aren't great that one of them has it, I'd certainly throw it I'd seen the last dora discarded, or I'd seen 3pins/6 pins in their discards/discarded since Riichi. I'd still throw it otherwise, unless one of them had thrown the 5 pin when they riichi'd, in which case I'd throw the 7 bamboo, and hope to use a dora pair and a 2-3-4 or a 3-4-5 in pins, leaving me one away from Tenpai on a favorable wait.

2 more bros needed

slowly winning with absolute cheap hands, oh yeah