/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Why do artists so frequently nuke their art accounts?
There's a reason why Artistic and Autistic are a letter apart.

>>29231196
They realized twitter is shit.

>>29231270
But this seems to be much more common among Japanese.

>>29231307
They do it on Pixiv too.

5ch antis, wanting to change their identities, not wanting to be known for drawing porn, stuff like that

>>29231328
I know artists personally who literally burn their artwork like a week after posting it. There's a reason why Gogh lopped off his own ear. Creative minds suffer.

>>29231328
>But this seems to be much more common among Japanese.
Different cultures do things differently. Next up, what's the deal with vending machines?

I don't know, but that's why you should make sure to repost all the shit on boorus or e-hentai

Because dumb westerners.

combination of not wanting their artwork to stay up for everyone to download (for free) for a long time and becoming popular among western twitterites

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>>29233104
Nip artists have been wiping their shit clean long before the west even knew pixiv existed. There's going to be examples of some white girl yelling about how racist or whatever a piece of art is, but even before boorus were a big thing this was still happening.

>>29231853
>Next up, what's the deal with vending machines?

>>29231196
A lot of them have alt accounts dedicated to specific animes/games/fandoms/themes only. Once they grow tired of said topic, they either switch names or might not care about keeping the account if they won't be active on it.

>>29232428
Main Boorus block art and artist because muh no reposts for 5+ years now. The safest is to download them all.

>>29233604
If you download it you have to share it.

>>29233604
Most booru block loli art

There was an artist I used to follow who would repeatedly change their handle and doing so meant deleting everything and then reuploading half of it to the point where they'd be making new accounts with only one drawing

>>29233715
>using boorus that ban loli

>>29231196
a simple misunderstanding after hearing that two wasn't enough.

>>29233715
Any booru that blocks loli art or demands that you pay to see it, is not a booru worth using.

I regret not saving absolutely everything from this artist while I had the chance.
If anyone has an archive of their Twitter works, that'd be much appreciated.

>>29239926
>Any booru that blocks loli art or demands that you pay to see it, is not a booru worth using.
there was a set of filters you could use to bypass that.
I never got ahold of them but apparently that was the case.
Either way, anyone who uses that over gelbooru for anything other than translations if they aren't available is wasting their time.
There's very little different between the two and they have mostly the same set of images albeit a little different.

>>29240323
is that Spacejin?

>>29240455
No, look at the filename.

>>29240323

I really liked that artist, shame he cleaned everything. Wonder what made him do it.

Hopefully he'll continue to release works at events, I remember him having done that

>>29239926
Wait there's boorus that don't block loli art? Which ones?

>>29240323
>>29240868
They just change their handle to @SarariSarashina anons.

>>29240868
twitter.com/SarariSarashina

>>29231853
>Next up, what's the deal with vending machines?
There is a great "begin japanology" episode that explain it in detail.

>>29241329
>>29241394
Huh. Thank you.
That being said, their old account was still deleted and thus a bunch of their older art was lost.

artists will never be satisfied with their work so they're in a perpetual state of cringing.

>>29231196
Thats why i hoard things i like, things can go missing too easy on the internet.

I heard directly from an artist deleted his account on 2chan.
He said some autists harassed him so he changed his name.

>>29260259
local jap autists or western autists? Regardless it still sucks

>>29260377
Maybe local jap autists because I think he did'nt reffered them as foreigner（外人） and there's a bunch of autists and beggers in Japanese Otaku community
（maybe they will be in Western fandom）

>>29241159
Only Gelbooru and dedicated loli/shota boorus. Even Sankaku, a site that probably still has articles about junior idols on it, blocks loli art now.

>>29233715
>>29239926
gelbooru is superior.

>>29231196
What annoys me is when Japanese artists post fanart on Twitter and never tag it or mention the name of the character/series they're drawing. It's not just for popular stuff, they do this for fanart of niche franchises too and they just assume everyone knows what the hell they're supposed to be drawing. They took hours to make really detailed art yet they can't take 10 seconds to slap on a title or name or something?

>>29231196
What artists? :(

>>29233715
Anyone know any that don't block loli? haven't had any luck finding one
although desu i gave up after the first 3 i could find

>>29282244
This is why twitter sucks for arts, there's no proper tagging system.

>>29231196
Not everyone self nukes, twitter bans loli artists although seemingly at random.

>>29231196
reminds me of the time when one of my favorite artists nuked her pixiv and twitter account only to come back a couple days later and reupload everything.

publishing your art is fundamentally an act of vanity

>>29231196
Some have nuked their accounts because they were being stalked, creepy.

>>29240323
>>29241454
Do you have more of that artists art that didn't carry over, by any chance?

>>29231196
In some cases, it's embarrassment over their earlier work.

uoooooh

>>29233104
Nips give zero fucks about EOPs.

>>29334083
Just a few.

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>>29359777

>>29359805

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>>29260730
Why the fuck would that matter?
Filter email notifications from whatever site in to the trash, problem solved.
Are these people that fucking retarded?
>>29272674
Still has actual pictures on its booru. I found that shit by accident and laughed.

>>29359978

>>29360009
The rest I have were from their Pixiv, boorus, or other sites which still have some of their old images.

>>29231196
I was talking with a friend about this today since Twitter added "stories" (they called them "fleets").
I still don't know how they will work but it's almost guaranteed that some japanese artists will use them and unless there's way to download the original artwork, it might be forever lost or stuck with shitty resized/cropped screenshots (like it has been done with Snapchat).
Best case scenario is that they will put those artworks behind a paywall.

>>29233104
Oof, couldn't be more wrong if you try

>>29294112
powerful.....

>>29294112
retarded.

>>29231196
I've seen several do it and come back a week later, but I had a favorite for years that vanished for good and it hurts. At least I was paranoid enough to bulk download all their art. Should really make a practice of that.

Japanese are more sensitive to the internet because they STILL don't know how it actually was. They get upset about even very simple stuff like using their art as an avatar, or just reposting their art at all despite it being originally posted in public.

>>29335230
No some absolutely do. I recently discovered I was blocked probably literally a decade ago by an illustrator but like, that was when I was in high school and didn't even interact with artists directly--in other words I had no fucking clue what would possess him to single me out. I decided to look through their twitter history for "block" in Japanese and it turned out that several times over the years he just arbitrarily went through his follower list and blocked people, frequently foreigners, supposedly as revenge for "spam"? There's also cases I've come across of artists being completely incensed that English speakers have interacted with them at all. These are altogether rarer cases, but it happens.

>>29359995
>Are these people that fucking retarded?
Yes, notoriously so. Many very confusing and dubious cases of "harassment" on the Japanese internet.

>>29366398
>They get upset about even very simple stuff like using their art as an avatar, or just reposting their art at all despite it being originally posted in public.
Anon, have you seen western twitter? It's exactly the same on both of these.

>>29368367
Maybe that's how it is now, I don't follow it, but back in the day at the very least few people tended to give a shit about reposting. Even today I only really see Japanese speakers saying "Don't repost my art without my permission", and Japanese artists notoriously request takedowns off of danbooru.

>>29282244
Jp art Twitter is heavy with trend chasing so if they don’t tag it just assume it’s either from the fotm gacha, the fotm anime or from the fotm game. If these three fail to get results it’s a vtuber, probably from nijisanji. If that also fails it’s an OC

>>29368474
Back in the day, westerners used to freak out about 'muh copyright' and put huge watermarks over their art out of fear someone might repost their scribbles.

>>29371373
I'll take watermarks over shutting everything down because someone dared to repost

>>29272674
>dedicated loli/shota boorus.
Dedicated shota boorus you say?

>>29361853
Oh yeah I forgot that stupid shit came out.
I really hope none of them use it. But who am I kidding, they USE Twitter in the first place!
Fucking garbage site.

>>29366623
I follow an artist that has a strict "No English followers" rule and it is so fucking stupid, I just ended up having to put JP OK on my bio so I don't get blocked.
This doesn't even happen on Twitter only, but any global social media site and they get fucking antsy as hell when English speakers follow them...like it's current year people use translators so they can understand you, what the fuck are you mad over?
>>29371373
Watermarks are useful for when it is reposted and you can find the source again, though the ones who plaster giant ones in the center instead of incorporating the signature into the picture nicely so it blends in just enough should die.

>>29372828
>>>29366623
>I follow an artist that has a strict "No English followers" rule and it is so fucking stupid, I just ended up having to put JP OK on my bio so I don't get blocked.
>This doesn't even happen on Twitter only, but any global social media site and they get fucking antsy as hell when English speakers follow them...like it's current year people use translators so they can understand you, what the fuck are you mad over?
尊皇攘夷

>>29294112
>>29241592
these, really

when an artist finally gets to a higher level, all their old works feel disgusting, or they dont like how social medias impacted their mentality for art. often both

>>29240367
I made these in the past for gelbooru and yande.re but I don't know if they still work. Didn't notice any missing art to this day
>! gelbooru fringe defuser
>gelbooru.com###image[style*=blur]:style(filter:none!important)
>gelbooru.com##.alert.alert-info:has-text(fringe)
>! yande.re unhide blacklisted content
>yande.re,konachan.com##+js(rc, javascript-hide, #post-list-posts > li)
>yande.re,konachan.com###blacklisted-sidebar

>>29373578
Yandere doesn't block loli at all. Anything tagged "rating:explicit" is hidden by default but you can view all of it with one click.

>>29375071
If I remember correctly you need an account to make it permanent so I said fuck that and filtered that auto-hide via ubo

>>29372579
atf has something but it's mixed with western crap

>>29375528
You can just search rating:e and unhide the thing but yes, you do have to do so every single time. Annoying but at least it's better than danbooru, which just straight up requires you to pay for it. However, at least danbooru doesn't have ads and other cancer like gelbooru does. Never mind the fact that gelbooru is on patreon AND STILL has a ton of intrusive ads on the site. Fuck gelbooru.

>>29375611
Between missing basic features and circumventable gelbooru ads I'd pick the latter any time of the day
I still use danbooru for it's flash content and translations but maybe these filters will help with gelbooru ads?
>! gelbooru.com ads
>gelbooru.com##div > a:only-of-type
>gelbooru.com##div + br

Why is it bad to be known as someone who draws porn? I saw it mentioned many times as being the reason for why some delete their accounts.
I mean sure if you're doing loli amuptee guro blender stuff or other nonsense, I can see it being the reason, but generic hentai?

>>29376559
Depends on what job you are after

Just came across some autistic-wizard-weeb-tranny-anarcho-communist in replies under work of artist I follow.
Is there an add-on that block all of west twitter and leaves me in jpn echo chamber?

>>29231196
because gaijins are rats

>>29231196
japanese artists are extremely autistic and are way too into the whole shame and honor thing
if they don't get a a lot of traffic or likes, they delete everything out of shame
I've seen it happen way too often, thankfully nowadays we can just archive shit or they can get commissions via skeb or gumroad or fanbox

>>29231196
Artists are weird. It comes with being creative.

>>29373404
I did it three times. The first account was the naive phase, I thought I would get famous on the internet by using my usual username and keep pumping artwork. I did then immediately regret the old work that was edgefest, despite having some of the best shares, it traced back to my personal socmed.
Second was "professional" account, it didnt work out even if it looks tryhardy. Then I just made a fandom specific account but the name is not tied to my personal username, now again with usual edgefest or whatever shit you want to post which worked wonderfully. I regret not knowing the wonders of "stage name".
Its better just to be free of what you want to do, but make sure artistry is not part of the real you.

There's an artist I want to follow but he's deleted his twitter account like three times in as many months.

>>29231196
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>29231196
Insecure herbivore.

>>29366623
Oh so that's why I got blocked too. I follow a lot of popular artists myself.
Also I remember interacting with one of my japanese "friends" that I thought he was, responding to his shitpost poll with a shitpost of my own, telling him to "get back to work" in english, and he responded with a mild insult, jokingly as I assumed. Turns out it wasn't, he got so mad and salty he want on a spree calling for culling all gaijins and he kept cursing my name for a year at least everywhere he was.

>>29231196
Fools why do you rely on a random person to imagine your wife and draw her for you?
Imagine her with your own brain!

>>29391036

My impression is that Japanese aren't very good with sarcasm or irony. For a westerner their politeness and indirect and contradictory answers (this is good -> meant that it needs to be improved) are already difficult to notice and any insults are similar (no direct insults, just dropping honorific form etc.)

Whenever talking to my Japanese friends I usually keep banter out since I've no idea if they understand it wrong

>>29376559
>I mean sure if you're doing loli amuptee guro blender stuff or other nonsense, I can see it being the reason
Reminds me, did the Nagatoro anime start already?

>>29272674
>Even Sankaku
they require login now to see lewd shit for reasons, but the only stuff hidden are blocked artists and dmcad stuff.
i do recall reading they plan to have stuff behind paywalls in the future however

>>29231196
the sad part is we might never know what really happened to the artist we love when they deleted their blog/social media. maybe they have a different nickname and branding now, maybe they're just done with arts and start chasing a new hobby (or be a full time wage slaves), maybe they're not with us anymore. the only way to get in touch with them was with social media, and now they're gone.

>artist goes missing for 2 years
>comes back and instantly opens a pixiv fanbox, all free art now is censored out the ass and links to fanbox

thanks

>>29418437
Maybe not jpn artist or topic related, but does anybody know what happened to my nigga Lasterk?

>>29398164
Different anon, and yes although a few do get sarcasm most don't, and I'm not sure why that is.

>>29240367
First, it used to be just the Better Danbooru userscript. You just toggled one option there and everything was visible.
This made some discordfag upset because people were posting lolis on their channel, so it got reported.
Then someone made decensooru, another userscript that needed a small tweak in Better Danbooru. It basically downloaded the loli images off their server or something and showed them in place of the blocked images.
This made the Danbooru devs mad so they changed the site in a way that it doesn't expose the post numbers of paywalled images anymore, and threatened to make even more changes to the site if the decensooru guy tried to get around this.
He thought it would be amusing to watch Danbooru become more and more unusable due to these changes, but eventually gave in and decided to abandon the project.

tl;dr discord and danbooru are cancer.

>>29240367
gelbooru is fucking garbage

>>29240323
Isaved most of them

>>29460077
Anything with Reimu that hasn't been posted in this thread?

>>29460077
However, I have to search them all

>>29460160
>>29460107
Yes, there was one with Aunn and some that looked like JoJo's

>>29460259

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>>29460311

if this artist nuked everything, could one of you kind anons put it all in a mega?

>>29460338
>>29460434
Luckily, I saved most pictures too

>>29460434

What happened to this artist, was it harassment that lead to deleting everything?

I really liked his works so I'll post few

>>29460742

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>>29460908

That's all I actually have. Looks like I had not saved any gifs, what a shame.

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>>29240367
>Gelbooru good
>The very imageboard that nuked its loli tag
Pfft

>>29231196
Often times, when an artist finally finds work or become serielized, they delete their more racier pictures. If all their art is the same style where it's easy to track who drew it, sometimes they just delete everything. Because a lot of artists get their start from drawing hentai before drawing mainstream manga etc, a lot of stuff that 4chan likes often disappears.

>>29460742
I checked his twitter, my theory is that he just doesn't like when people repost his art

>>29232428
>don't know, but that's why you should make sure to repost all the shit on boorus or e-hentai
But that's what the autistic fucks claim made them want to nuke everything. Even though they'd do it anyway sooner or later.

>>29231196
>>29231328
I know artist delete their works if they notice their art gets reuploaded on sites like Reddit or here without their permission.

Even if you link said artist or give sauce on where it came from, they are still displeased that it was posted in the first place without them asking.

The same applies to doujins as well. Can't do a translation without asking. I can understand if it is to avoid possible lawsuits if it spreads around, but still...

>>29473973
FUCK THEM. Once you show a piece of art to the public, people can get attached to it and deapair when you decide to nuke everything. Artists are morally obligated to preserve their shit or at least let it become public property if they don't want to be associated with it anymore.

Imagine if your favorite movie got erased from existence, along with any copies or screenshots of it, just because the original director wants to destroy it. That's a dick move.

>>29473973
Its quite hard to believe that so many artists post their stuff to internet and think that it wont start spreading around. its most likely is one of the reasons though.

>>29474165
It does suck.


>>29474219
Yep.

Some artist can also private their works for only them to see or only followers to see. Some had wished the sites like Pixiv or NicoVideo were more stronger on being a Japan server only.

>>29474165
that is what happens in youtube too constantly, its not even choice of videomaker, youtube just can decide to delete or censor videos for various reasons, and that too is quite dick move, also reason why you just need to download everything you like now days in case of this bullshit.
i mean we almost lost panda aswell recently, only matter of time when that happens again.

>>29231196
Why wouldn't they? If you were smart, you would too.

>>29473973
Doujin tls are piracy. Regardless of YOUR views on it, most people around think it's wrong and harmful, east and west. Japanese tend to take it more seriously though, yes

>>29474714
why though? or rather for what reason?
i mean i would too if i had good reason, and my art spreading through internet is not exactly one. unless of course its some weird fetish stuff and person was retarded enough to use nickname which can be connected to himself irl.

>>29231196
It's just really painful and embarrassing when you improve or just remember your limitations and realize your previous art was shit, you have to actively put effort into deleting the account when you're in that mindset and most people don't have much of a feeling of obligation towards fans I guess. There's also a problem of art being kinda subjective and fans having a much lower bar since they focus on personal enjoyment rather than technical ability. And if you're doing porn drawing your own fetishes is kinda embarrassing on its own.

I imagine for japanese there's simply more perfectionism and more shame for cultural reasons creating a stronger emotional reaction in people prone to that specific type of shame, but the core feeling of "holy fuck I don't want people to see me failing so hard" is kind of an universal artist experience

>>29487896
>>>29231196 (OP)
>you have to actively put effort into deleting the account
NOT deleting the account
Jesus I was just trying to say its a drive that won't meet much resistance

>>29231196
A certain artist I followed was picked up by a studio or something like that, so she nuked all her lewd art, prob because studio or publisher told her too

>>29241414
Tfw no banana dispensing vending machine or hi tech coffee dispenser with a video montage of my coffee being made.

>>29231853
Well, no shit. The entire point of these discussions is to figure out WHY different cultures do things differently.

>Next up, what's the deal with vending machines?
Walkable high-trust cash society.

I'll never understand the "Do not share, do not repost" autism so many people seem to have.
In what kind of lala wonderland have they lived until then that they do not realize that the second you post something on the internet it stops being "yours" even if it's technically "yours" it is not "yours" anymore since people can, and will, do whatever the fuck they want with your "yours" that is now "theirs".
Not even a thousand paywalls stop this since there's decided Discords, Forums and and so-on to sharing around such Paywalled content.
Why are they so retarded? Why do they not know how the internet works, has worked, since day 1? Why do they expect the internet to suddenly not be as it has always been because they think of themselves such special snowflakes?
It literally cannot be helped. It's like yelling at a tsunami and telling it to go back to the sea. It's pointless. Useless. Worthless. All it happens is that you'll be crushed against the rocks. Why not just accept the inevitable and grab your nearest surfboard and ride the wave instead? Make the best of what it is?
And now that I'm ranting about this, the very same thing applies about piracy. Like, for example, on the piracy topic, why not simply embrace the audience that you wouldn't have otherwise at all if not for the piracy and start taking advantage of it? You have a new vein to mine. Wouldn't that be more productive that just endlessly rage against the awful pirates? People will just pirate anyway, but now you have a brand new potential audience, that if you play your cards right, will become a new paying audience and fanbase that will spread your name and work and get more people to support you.
Why do people just seek out reasons to be upset and be miserable for? Are they just masochists? Naive? Or just genuinely retarded? I'll truly never understand.

>>29489159
>Why are they so retarded? Why do they not know how the internet works, has worked, since day 1?
because it actually doesn't work that way in japan. as a people they are collectively autistic enough to actually listen to the inane conditions that people put onto their work.

>>29489159
True, the people I see do the best in online mediums just don't give a crap about pirates or torrenting and make money from goodwill of fans and physical / non-drm mechanise. I think creators forget a lot of the consumer base for their stuff is younger people with no job or less wealthy people in general.

>>29489159
>>29489794
There are some doujins that I think that do need to be preserved and saved.

Having it translated in different languages would be nice too, if it's really funny, horny, or very interesting.

Do JP artists expect for posters to just link their works and they have to go over there? Language barrier can be a problem for those looking at it, even more if the site can be hard to navigate by one visit. If their country is super China strict, that is also another problem for them to access the site.

>>29489794
>I think creators forget a lot of the consumer base for their stuff is younger people with no job or less wealthy people in general.
Way too many people seem to forget about the "low-tier" users when thinking about these matters.
To use gacha as an example, the people who are F2P are the foundation in where the Whales stand on. And even so, the F2P people contribute to the gacha in other ways such as spreading the name of the gacha around, getting other people to play it who may end up becoming dolphins or whales in the future, or even they themselves may end up becoming one of them too. And even if they never do, simply by sharing memes of the gacha or creating OC about it helps the gacha survive as those things may bring about new players. Hell, they may even simply just buy merchandise instead. Is that not also helping the franchise survive even if it's not through spending thousands on the gacha?
Or an even simpler example. A fighting game tournament. Or a tournament of anything. Everyone knows X is the best, so why bother joining in the tournament? Whoops, no one signed-up so now X wins by default. Where's the fun there?
You need the rabble, the casuals, the low-tier, as a foundation or else everything crashes down.

>>29460434
>>29460742

https://mega.nz/folder/3zoXEKQL#k-OFtP0gQ8zEiyNuYPOIJw

Here's everything I have, hope you guys enjoy.

>>29460434
Reminds me of Okage Shadow King.

Why do you all feel so entitled to be able to access everything forever and in your own language just because it exists?

>>29489159
The trouble with digital art is that it allows others to download, rip, pirate, etc, an artist's work. Can't do that to an oil painting in comparison. Digital art/IP is unlike traditional physical art in that regard. At the same time it allows an artist to connect to an audience online, it also gives him less control over his own work, something traditional artists do not need to worry about. Frankly, if I were an artist I'd feel the same way. It is my baby, and I think the same goes for most other artists there. Seeing it get reuploaded or spread elsewhere is like giving up your only daughter to a fat oji-san. Yet, there's not much choice for the digital artist, short of printing his artwork out and hanging it up in a museum. There's just no other gallery to host it in. So the least they can do is try to gatekeep who sees it, who hosts it, and who can have it. I don't blame them

>>29509206
If you're too prideful to deal with someone on the internet reposting art that you broadcasted to the entire world, just keep it to yourself instead you twat

>>29489159
>In what kind of lala wonderland have they lived until then that they do not realize that the second you post something on the internet it stops being "yours"
It's called the Japanese internet. They''re closed, ignorant, traditional, dumb, and touchy

Seriously

>>29509206
>The trouble with
There's no trouble. Given the ease of purchasing digital goods these days, you are more likely to get some (or a lot of) money this way rather than doing a limited physical run that is usually unavailable to the rest of the world.

There's no trouble unless you haven't done research and make assumptions like "one illegal download is one lost sale". There's been a lot of evidence of the benefit of piracy.

>>29508880
There's no real defending putting something out to easily be redistributed and then whining when that is what happens.

>>29231196
Why in the fuck do they use a platform that hates, censors and deletes their content in the first place?

>>29525218
Because everyone and their dog uses it. Do you have a better alternative anon?

>>29231270
>There's a reason why Artistic and Autistic are a letter apart.
Nice, I'm stealing this line.

>>29525054
All those things happen on Western internet too, though. Specially nowadays since there's so many kids who didn't grow up with the old internet. You know, the kind of kid who think plastering your face all over online is a good idea. Those people.

>>29273332
gelbooru blocks "paid content" though. and a lot more thorough than danbooru.
if you type in cancer_ you'll see shit like fanbox_reward and nothing is there, but if you go up to tags and type in fanbox_reward, you'll see there's 1662 posts there.

>>29231196
Western artists delete stuff just as frequently, you just aren't following them.

From my experience drawing, you don't value your own art nearly as much as you do others'. I always make sure to save all art I like, and I hate it when other artists delete their work, yet for some reason I don't have these reservations for my own art, even though I should logically value it the most.

>>29526262
>>29527486
Western is more of saving face for themselves while Eastern gets backlash from Westerners for their hentai.

>>29273332
Gelbooru is terrible
I'd rather put up with danbooru's 2-tag search than to use gelbooru ever again.

>>29528716
Enjoy the most limited booru out there

>>29273332
Gelbooru is garbage.

>>29509206
You wrote so much in your reply but 99% of the things you described can be summed up with "It can't be helped". They're all the things >>29489159 mentioned are an inherent part of the internet and you are deluded if you think they will not magically affect you just because. If anything, you are just further adding to the point.

>>29489159
>>29489794
>>29491885
>>29525054
>>29526262
>>29511120
Artists own their work and you have no right to repost it. That's exactly how it works despite you thinking otherwise. You're not entitled to free anything just because it's online.

>>29509206

>>29531499
Is this your first day on the internet?
People have been reposting shit since ages

>>29531499
Sorry someone posted your shitty drawing on 4chan to make fun of

>>29489159
I can get the baseline argument if you want people to source it. Don't know why artists ban people from reposting to danbooru since they're anal about adding a source to everything, to the point where I even got yelled at because of some md5 mismatch shit or whatever on a post I literally uploaded directly from twitter in it's original/highest possible resolution. Paid stuff also makes sense but if you're popular enough to have your paid stuff get uploaded immediately, you're probably making money hand over fist comparatively so I feel less sympathy. Anything beyond that is completely unfounded retardation and I 100% agree with you.

I've only seen more retardation in the MMD scene, where people literally paywall model updates, require you to probably fucking find specific lines on gradeschool textbooks to get the password to download some models that'll be taken down in a week because the modeler has turbotism, and my favorite is being told to pay for what is literally just pre-made motions made by someone else with a model you use made by someone else just because you put in 3 seconds of a titjob, so on and so forth.

>>29231196
they get pressurized by western fans

>>29528716
>>29529563
What about lolibooru, is it superior?

>>29231196
because it's a horrible platform that drains your sanity

>>29531499
>That's exactly how it works
But it does not work like that. In practice, that is.
Artists own their work and you have no right to repost it? Sure, that is how it works on paper, but it's not how it does on practice and never will work as in practice. Either learn to deal with it or enjoy being angry 24/7 forever.

>>29531499
>You're not entitled to free anything just because it's online.
ok fag

>>29508880
Everything should archived to never be lost

>>29533489
It's the honor system, anon. These artists work hard to get us cute/interesting/horny illustrations and their reward is praise and attention from an audience. If people steal their content and instead re-host it or put it on twitter bots and *boorus, then you're robbing them of that reward. Suddenly instead of the artist's pixiv or twitter racking up retweets/likes/hearts, it's the bots and reposters getting this attention and monetizing it with advertising. When that happens, we don't have room to get mad when they lock their accounts, block westerners, put their stuff behind paywalls, or nuke their accounts. We miss out on cute drawings and they miss out on praise and attention. It's a lose/lose situation.

>>29487896
But they always delete really great art. It's almost never shitty scribbles.

>>29538153
How would you help someone navigate through the Pixiv, explain usage of Japanese tags for characters and couplings, as well as suggesting proxies when buying doujinshi?

>>29507512
Thanks, but I'd rather pretend that artist never existed than have only part of his works and feel bad about the ones that got lost forever.

>>29473973
yup. and yet. because of that. we have an even bigger reason to reupload their work

>>29531499
>Artists own their work and you have no right to repost it
If I don't respost it they'll delete it one day and there will be no backups.

My attachment to a piece of art I really love, and the suffering I would experience if it was gone forever, is more important than the baseless inconvenience/shame the original artist feels that makes him want to nuke it all.

>>29531980
>I've only seen more retardation in the MMD scene, where people literally paywall model updates, require you to probably fucking find specific lines on gradeschool textbooks to get the password to download some models that'll be taken down in a week because the modeler has turbotism, and my favorite is being told to pay for what is literally just pre-made motions made by someone else with a model you use made by someone else just because you put in 3 seconds of a titjob, so on and so forth.
This is because the MMD scene is mostly people taking models and motions they didn't make and creating said titjob scenes and calling it their own work. Do you really want to spend hours making some cute model so someone can go throw the motions from some tired dance routine on it and make them gyrate oddly as if the 100 already existing variants aren't enough? As for passwords, they're usually common knowledge amongst whatever group it's intended to be downloaded by (in the sense that everyone here would know what "The password is the true name of sadpanda, and is 8 characters long" is) or trivial if you even know enough Japanese to have found the link in the first place. (e.g. "The password is the first name of the character who the model is of plus their end-of-sentence catchphrase sound, both in roman characters"). As for money, imagine you had $1 for every bikini dance video. Honestly people are lucky modellers upload their work at all. The whole scene would fall apart if everyone had to do their own work.

>>29538153
They value the praise and attention more than the art itself. That's fucking bullshit. They deserve no praise if they are assholes that would rather DESTROY their own creations and never repost them again.

Most of the time nobody is "stealing" anything from them, or claiming to be the author, they are just reposting in (very reasonable) fear that the author might go insane out of nowhere and nuke everything. Which happens to 90% of artists sooner or later.

I will NEVER consume media online, simply looking at the artist's page, Youtube channel, etc. I'll download fucking everything and preserve it. How do they expect people not to do that, when the creators themselves don't give a shit about their own art? Some people might love that shit and be hurt when it's destroyed. If you want to distance yourself from your previous art, change the name of the account and make a new one. Or donate all the art to the public to do with it as they please. You have no right to destroy it.

>>29538789
>they are assholes that would rather DESTROY their own creations and never repost them again.
They have every right to do what they want with their own work and owe you NOTHING. Your feelings are worthless and do not matter to anyone.

>>29538388
It's not 2011, Pixiv has an English language interface and they auto translate tags for you. Danbooru's tag wiki is also a good resource for pixiv tag equivalents, and buyfag threads and provide guidance on proxy buying doujins and other physical goods from Booth and other stores.

>>29538687
I painstakingly made models of my waifu from scratch and shared them with the world. I don't give a shit if they make money off of it, as long as they create cute videos and porn. I don't even care if they don't credit me as the author of the model, as long as they produce the content I want.

>>29538388

To be able to navigate Pixiv and its tags, learn Japanese.

As for buying doujinshi (physical copies), be ready to stretch your wallet so you can buy doujinshi through proxies from sites like Melonbooks by preordering them before the event where they're sold starts. Usually events are held on Saturday or Sunday and that's also when the site's availability becomes public. A LOT OF DOUJINSHI WILL SELL OUT IMMEDIATELY IN 24H PERIOD AND SOME PROXIES DO NOT WORK DURING SUNDAYS, SO THE ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE A COPY IS THROUGH PREORDERING BEFORE THE EVENT HAS STARTED. Knowing which ones will sell out or not really depends on the circle. Niche ones might not sell out immediately, some popular ones will, some circles are popular but always prepare a large batch of copies for resellers and some circles might supply the reseller with a 2nd wave of latest doujinshi after the initial out-of-stock that happens after an event. Because there is variation between circles the only way to know how it'll be is to either preorder to be sure to secure a copy or observe how their releases sell after multiple events, you'll likely notice a pattern.

Alternatively you can use whatever platform the artist uses for digital release to get a digital copy. A lot of niche artists don't do digital releases, at least from the ones I follow, but I guess it's gotten more common because of corona cancelling so many events.

Personally I almost never do this and always go for a physical copy for the novelty and for being able to fill my bookshelf with it. For me, digital copies feel ''faceless''. Also the smell of a newly printed, fresh doujinshi is exquisite. If you've ever attended an event like Comiket and bought doujinshi, you'll know that it's a real thing.

>>29231196
Twatter is trash and the sooner it dies the better for this godforsaken species.

>>29538851
No, they don't. Walt Disney doesn't have the right to snap his fingers and erase all his movies from existence, leaving only our memories of them. Once you put something out, there will be at least one person that loves it as ART and would be deeply depressed if it disappeared. Your petty whims don't give you the right to hurt people like that. Your favorite song doesn't belong to the singer to destroy as they please. And your father in law has no right to murder your wife.

>>29538891
>To be able to navigate Pixiv and its tags, learn Japanese.
By the time I'm competent at Japanese, 3/4 of the content on Pixiv will be nuked.

>>29539055

Install rikaikun addon on your browser of choice, hovering your mouse over a Japanese word will instantly open a small window that shows it's meaning.

>>29538851
They have every right to do what they want with their own work just as every man has the right to do retarded things. People also have every right to call them retarded for doing retarded things.

>>29538891
>Personally I almost never do this and always go for a physical copy for the novelty and for being able to fill my bookshelf with it. For me, digital copies feel ''faceless''. Also the smell of a newly printed, fresh doujinshi is exquisite. If you've ever attended an event like Comiket and bought doujinshi, you'll know that it's a real thing.
I understand the appeal of physical media, but I'd never take it over a digital version. Owning a physical doujin book isn't really owning the thing. It will still deteriorate over time, it's not true preservation. A digital release or scanlation is always better because you can preserve it in multiple HDDs and back them up, guaranteeing that the art will never degrade or disappear. A file can be transferred to new HDDs over the years as they start to fail, while a physical book is merely an INDIVIDUAL COPY of the thing that is trapped in that physical form and will degrade over time.

Same with game catridges. I value a perfectly dumped ROM a lot more than the original game cartridge. One is an immaterial file that can be preserved forever if you take the necessary precautions, the other is simply an invididual copy of the file stuck in a piece of plastic, vulnerable to data degradation or physical destruction. You don't really OWN (as in, being able to enjoy it indefinitely) the thing if all you have is the cartridge.

>>29539012
>Walt Disney doesn't have the right to snap his fingers and erase all his movies from existence
Yes he does. The only argument against is is that he didn't create them all single-handedly. Fans mean nothing and are nothing.
>Your petty whims don't give you the right to hurt people like that.
Yes it does. Your feelings are worthless and do not matter to anyone.
>Your favorite song doesn't belong to the singer to destroy as they please.
It belongs to whoever wrote it.
>And your father in law has no right to murder your wife.
Art is not "your wife", and parents have the right to abort their children or prevent you from marrying them. In a more literal sense, an author has every right to kill off your favorite female character, decide they were a boy all along, or say that they never existed and were just a delusion of another character.

>>29539237
Also, in the worst case scenario, you can always recreate the physical book by printing the digital files. You can't do the same thing backwards, as every new scan of a book will be slightly more degraded due to age.

>>29539271
Why are you such a psychopath? Do you really not understand how painful it is to see a beloved piece of media erased from existence? Do you ACTUALLY give a shit about the artist's petty desire for destruction? You are just trolling here.

>>29539237

You're right about degradation, I hate it when pages start slowly turning yellow. Not enough to deter me from going for physical copies over digital though.

>>29539271
>Yes he does. The only argument against is is that he didn't create them all single-handedly. Fans mean nothing and are not
Aren't you a fan of anything? How would you feel if they did that to something you love? You must be a fucking cuck if you put the author's wishes over your own attachment to their work, especially when there is absolutely no justifiable reason to destroy anything. You are mentally ill.

>>29539378
I do enjoy physical copies, I just think it's a temporary service and does not equal preservation. How many old doujins are lost forever, with the only remaining copies sitting around in some dusty otaku bedroom, slowly degrading until the dude dies and they get thrown into the garbage?

>>29539271
Is that you, Twitter?

>>29539271
Dehumanized trannies should go back to twitter.

>>29539408
>Aren't you a fan of anything?
Yes
>How would you feel if they did that to something you love?
I wouldn't be one of those weirdos who send authors and artists death threats, that's for sure.
>the author's wishes over your own attachment to their work
If there is a disagreement between you and them, then that is what fan fiction is for.

>>29539328
Why should anyone care about someone who is so narcissistic that they believe the world should bend to their whims just to avoid hurting their feelings? The artists shouldn't have to suppress their feelings for anyone else's sake either if that's the way their fans are.

>>29539511
>>29539467
>>29539408
You really are trying hard to get banned from /jp/. aren't you?

>>29539455

How do you deal with the fact that there are doujinshi that you want but will only see a limited physical release that is restricted to event only? Do you accept that you're at the mercy of scanners who very likely won't upload a copy of it online in case the circle is very niche and therefore will never likely get to read it?

>How many old doujins are lost forever, with the only remaining copies sitting around in some dusty otaku bedroom, slowly degrading until the dude dies and they get thrown into the garbage?

That is incredibly romantic.

>>29538789
>They value the praise and attention more than the art itself.
Nobody works for free and don't get confused, drawing takes a lot of practice and work. From what I can tell, the vast majority of Japanese artists are amateurs with day jobs and they're not trying to make a living off it. They're not asking for money in exchange for their work, just for praise and attention. Literally the same reason most of us do anything. Can do create art for art's sake? Sure, but there's no expectation for an artist to publish their work or preserve it anywhere outside of their hard drive.

>Most of the time nobody is "stealing" anything from them, or claiming to be the author,
Twitter and Tumblr are full of repost bots that are doing it for the clout. Also don't get me wrong, I love *boorus and I respect the mission. I upload stuff from artists on danbooru all the time on this same fear. But *boorus take this content and surround it in ads and/or ask for money to access it. They're literally profiting from work that's not theirs.

Again, I'm with you on the mission of preserving great illustrations. But there's a lot of people acting in bad faith when it comes to taking artwork.

>>29538882
I sure hope you didn't make the Haku model, because its literally all bug-porn.

>>29539641
Who do you think is going to get the boot first, the idiot who doesn't understand the fact that he's on an imageboard which is partially based around the free exchange of art and images, or the people telling him to fuck off?

I think people are getting things confused. People should source reposted art at bare minimum. However, this is the internet, and people should be doing plenty of things. But they don't.
Because this is the internet.

Japanese don't understand or give a shit about preservation of their own culture. Since game rom sites were first made it's always been up to us gaijin to do it for them. Thus boorus and readhentaifreeonline sites were born

>>29539925
There's this neat solution called a signature. They can be put on a piece of art so that anyone who looks at it can identify who drew it.

>>29538851
Yep, that is fucking right

>>29539328
Lol, are you idiot?

>>29540132
"Accepting impermanence" is explicitly a part of Japanese culture.

>>29539641
people like (You) are unwelcome most often

Aurtists who whine about people saving and sharing their stuff while posting it on the public internet for everyone to see and save are drooling retards.
If you want to earn clout and get your ego sucked off by posting it publically on the internet, then you have to understand that people will save and share it around.
Even viewing art online is implicitly saving it due to browser caching.
They're basically an infinitely more impotent version of movie and music companies bitching about piracy.
Everything that's posted on the internet stays on it forever, that was common wisdom back in the day, nowadays after the normalfag invasion, this idea was widely abandoned and replaced with social media identity systems.
Most of them get smart and work on commissions and patreon donations which are the equivalent of free software groups being funded by donations, or freelance programmers being paid to work on free software.
Impotently hiding and paywalling your shit is the creative equivalent of proprietary software.
If you do not want to see your shit spread, then don't fucking post it, if you want to earn money, then get a fucking job as an illustrator.

A lot seem to be overly sensitive and will burn everything over a little shitposting from antis.

Why is Japan trying its hardest to be Autism: The country?

>>29525166
>putting something out to easily be redistributed
Who says that's the case? Is that the artist's fault, the internet's fault, or the viewer?

>>29530463
Sure it can be helped. Obnoxious watermarks. Paywalled content. Sites that prevent ripping or downloading. Sure you can jump through hoops to download the content yourself. But equally so can that convince artists to delete their profiles. It can't be helped.

>>29538388
Git gud gaijin.

>>29538558
>baseless inconvenience/shame the original artist feels that makes him want to nuke it all.
His art his choice. Maybe it's because you feel entitled to the art more than the artist themselves that makes them want to nuke everything. It's the loss of control the typical digital artist suffers from that pushes them this far. The nuclear option is the most extreme option sure, but nowadays the only true one left.

>>29539012
But he does tho. His work his rules. Be grateful he or any other artist let you see it in the first place.

>>29539237
That same thong applies backwards too. Digital media degrades as well. Npthing lasts forever. But there is a good reason why the multitudes of libraries and archives in existence favor the real McCoy conpared to a digital simulacrum. You don't see archaeologists or paleontologists destroying dinosaur bones and cultural relics in place of photos do you? Preserving the original works will ALWAYS trump preservong the copies that came from it. If it's a matter of preserving your doujins or whatever wear gloves and work in a clean room. But don't put the creator to task for however else you preserve it, like reposting it to third party galleries. You wouldn't steal a Van Gogh painting and hang it elsewhere would you?

>>29539328
>>29539408
Painful sure, but don't expect the creators to give a shit. Be grateful for what you have. Like plucking a flower for yourself instead of admiring it from afar. You kill the very thing you appreciate.

>>29543321
>If you want to earn clout and get your ego sucked off by posting it publically on the internet, then you have to understand that people will save and share it around.
Why is this a package deal? Doesn't have to be this way. Same goes for IP and Piracy: pirates are not entitled to the work they rip, because there is no fair transaction between the "buyer" and seller. You wouldn't sneak into a movie theater without paying a ticket, so why do the same by pirating?

And nothing entitles you the same to an artist's work, unless you paid for it. Which, given the amount of fury in this thread about artists nuking their works, doesn't seem to apply. They don't owe you shit.

>>29548172
>You wouldn't sneak into a movie theater without paying a ticket
Piracy is paying for a ticket, then recording the movie with your camera, and then distributing that. Not figuratively, but literally.

>>29547019
>>29547447
>His art his choice
>His work his rules
I don't think artists should have the say years or decades after the work is made. You really think right after completion of something, they would agree to have it be impossible to be enjoyed a decade from then? People change and arguably aren't the same person they were in the past.

>>29548172
It's not a package deal, it is a direct consequence.
It's like saying that you want to take a bath but don't want to get wet, it makes no fucking sense.
Pirates aren't entitled to anything, and artoids don't owe the public anything, that wasn't my argument.
My argument is that publicly posting art and then whining about reposts is fucking retarded, since by posting it online you by definition lose control of your art, at least in a lawless sense, legally you still have your intellectual property of course.
But in the "illegal" sense, as illegal as jaywalking or actual piracy, you have no right to complain of someone making use of something YOU MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
Stay strapped or get clapped.
Keep your shit private or have it stay public forever.
If you post your shit online, prepare to have it outlive you.
It is an impotent rage and I am mocking it because of that.
If artists want to keep their shit private then don't fucking post it, share it to trusted people, or sell your work/skills to employers and commissioners.
Everything else is just whining and I will continue to mock them and save their shit on my hard drive to my heart's content, ownership be damned.
You cannot own an arrangement of ones and zeroes.

>>29376559
I've drawn lolis on my account and people I know in real life follow me.
No issues yet.

>>29231853

Vending machines are cool. For a merchant, they're pretty cost efficient compared to buying store space, and also workers. For a buyer, it reduces unnecessary social interaction, and allows you to make purchases in areas where a store might not make sense. The main downside to vending machines is that they're easily stolen from. Less people in Japan steal, so they can afford to put them everywhere.

>>29231307
/thread

>>29549781
That's already been addressed.

>>29538891
What does yasokinawaazu mean?

>>29548172
>You wouldn't sneak into a movie theater without paying a ticket
I would do that as readily as I would download a car

>>29548444
So you're just holding the movie theater doors open for free loaders? I wouldn't say that's better.

>>29548625
Why not? That same rule applies. Nothing stopping Da Vinci from taking the Mona Lisa down from the Louvre walls - apart from the fact he sold it. If he gave it freely he can taketh away too. It'd still be his painting, physical or digital. But we can respect the artists right to do that, no matter what medium he uses, just as much as we can appreciate their art. Just enjoy it while it lasts man.

>>29548869
>It's like saying that you want to take a bath but don't want to get wet
Dry baths.

>Pirates aren't entitled to anything, and artoids don't owe the public anything, that wasn't my argument. My argument is that publicly posting art and then whining about reposts is fucking retarded
My argument is that pirates are not entitled to anything. That includes the concept of control over the use of media: that is, the distribution or storage of media they do not own, no less pay to view. When an artist posts "No reposts" he means it. It's not your right to repost it just as it is not a pirate's right to view, download, or reupload movies he did not have the right to.

>But in the "illegal" sense, as illegal as jaywalking or actual piracy, you have no right to complain of someone making use of something YOU MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
Oh? How available? Available to view sure. Not so much available to download, reupload, modify, take credit, etc. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. And if the nature of the internet or the technologies that support it allow this, then change it. Hence the rise of DRM, DMCA takedowns, paywalling, copyright protection lawsuits, etc, and the nuclear option that is mass deleting your own work in a blaze of fire.

>Stay strapped or get clapped.
Keep your shit private or have it stay public forever.
If you post your shit online, prepare to have it outlive you.
It is an impotent rage and I am mocking it because of that.
Don't you think your behavior is causing them to nuke everything? Pirates gave rise to DRM and copyright laws. What will your behavior give rise to? I expect to see more threads like this in the future if people here can't learn to appreciate art from afar. You wouldn't download a painting?

>>29552590
That's why ushers exist. Get a job hippie

>>29231328
then you aren't following enough western artists

Are people forgetting a lot of artist nuke their accounts because a bunch of mostly westerns and south americans take their art and repost it and claim the art is theirs or they recolor it/trace over it and make it another character etc while claiming the art is made by them you would see a lot of that on DA years ago and I also hear a bunch of art gets reposted on insta/dumblr and the poster of the account pretending they put in hours of work to make said art.

Add to that some artist feel overwhelmed when they get too popular or noticed too much by people and nuke their accounts. I wish japanese artist would stop using mainstream socmedia and stick to their own websites or upload on pixiv/drawr;_;/tegaki/etc. I hate how westerns have taken over pixiv with their shit fetish art, keep that on DA or whatever hell hole they came from

>>29334222
this

>>29548969
How do you get your images spoilered there?

>>29554727
The plane I downloaded is flying me out of the reach of interpol. No ushers can catch me for my movie crimes where I'm headed, and no bleeding heart internet soccer moms can lambast me for all the japanese drawings I'll distribute.

>>29561998
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A WARRANT FOR YOUR ARREST FOR WAR CRIMES

>>29231853
getting a fresh coconut in a vending machine is naise, thats all need to know

>>29554652
Not the anon you're talking to but
>You wouldn't download a painting?
Yes I would. I would download a car, a building to live in etc. As long as I have the option to right click and click "save image as", I will do it. If I can't I'll just take a screenshot and crop it.

>>29474165
I agree it's a dick move but they aren't morally obligated to perserve their work any more than they'd be morally obligated to make it in the first place. They're allowed to not want something shown and if you didn't bother saving it then I doubt you were that attached to begin with.

>>29538558
Then just download it and don't repost it?
What the fuck.

>>29546466
If you want your work to stay private, keep it private. This is obvious.

Like, graffiti a public wall and then stand in front of it shouting NOOO DON'T TAKE PICTURES

>>29539748
>But *boorus take this content and surround it in ads and/or ask for money to access it. They're literally profiting from work that's not theirs.
running a gigantic, highly trafficked website isn't free, anon

Frankly, aggregators ought to be paid for convenience. Furthermore content creators get exposure and interest from aggregators. If they properly credit/link, that is

>>29554652
>My argument is that pirates are not entitled to anything
And mine is that artists are not entitled to control where their work goes either.
Intellectual property is a funny thing, it's a completely human construct that tries to place ownership over ideas, and a piece of art is an idea considering that it is not physically real, and can be recreated infinitely if you have access to the blue print, i.e. the original.

My personal view on it is that the artist has the right over "ownership" of the idea, as in they can claim that they made it, they can sell their rights to it, they choose who to distribute it to. By making it available for free over the internet through downloads, everyone can grab a copy of it and do with it as they please, all they can't do is take credit for it or sell it as their own.
Artists own the art, they do not own the physical copies of the art, the arrangement of numbers that make up the art, etc.
>That includes the concept of control over the use of media
This is not a question of entitlement, it is a question of ability.
Artists can claim as much as they want that they "control" a combination of ones and zeroes they made publicly available on the internet, doesn't mean that it's true.
Sure they have the """LEGAL""" "right" to it, but laws are only as strong as the people who enforce them, and nobody gives a shit about art theft.
>When an artist posts "No reposts" he means it
Yeah let's see him enforce it, even if he does DMCA it or whatever, nobody gives a shit, people will just reupload it somewhere else.
>Oh? How available? Available to view sure. Not so much available to download, reupload, modify, take credit, etc.
"Taking credit" is the only actual problematic part of it, but due to commonplace booru tagging, people who try to trace or take credit for someone else's work are usually quickly identified and mocked for it.
This site itself, as an imageboard, thrived on people sharing, uploading and editing images, the entire concept of "memes" and "fads" on this site came in parts from it, from simple texts on a funny picture to elaborate edits and modifications of the source material.
When they make it available for view they make it implicitly available for people to save, download and edit to their heart's content, not legally of course, but if you spray paint art on a public unguarded street then expect some asshole to photograph it, or spray over it, or whatever else.
>Don't you think your behavior is causing them to nuke everything?
When there is a will, there is a way, people didn't stop murdering, stealing or raping out of their own hearts, laws had to be made and enforced by powerful groups (government in this case) for those things to be punished, and even so, people continue to do it. Artists have little to no power so their attempts to "punish" infractions is laughable at best, especially when they fail to actually follow preventative measures that private people do to prevent things from happening to them, security systems and gun ownership to protect from burglary or murder etc.. Even so, piracy and intellectual property "theft" is still extremely mild by my extreme comparison there.
>Hence the rise of DRM, DMCA takedowns, paywalling, copyright protection lawsuits, etc, and the nuclear option that is mass deleting your own work in a blaze of fire.
As well as the reaction to it by saving, torrenting, ripping, sharing, and everything else that has been done by pirates on the internet since its inception.
>Don't you think your behavior is causing them to nuke everything?
They are already nuking everything so might as well.
>You wouldn't download a painting?
I can type "Mona Lisa" into google and download it onto my PC, and then shop a mustache and swastika armband on it if I so desired. The original painting is still in the museum after all.

Also, something funny I remembered is that a good chunk of online artists produce derivative work from other intellectual properties, like in /jp/'s case Touhou/Love Live/whatever else, so they don't even have proper rights to their own work.

>>29546466
100% the artist's fault.

>>29540172
That's basically the ideal for 99% of scenarios, except for the 1% where people will purposefully edit your signature out in which case it's tough shit at that point. Either you slap it on top of every panel or over your drawings boobs, fucking with it, or you pray you don't get actively malicious people that you should give up on trying to do anything about.

>>29555367
>I hate how westerns have taken over pixiv
That's pixiv's fault for trying to be more open. They made an official english interface to cater to foreigners.

>>29572959
It's also due to DeviantArt going full retard recently and forcing a site redesign no one wanted as well as their crackdowns on fetish art, leading to their communities escaping to Pixiv.

>>29572650
>except for the 1% where people will purposefully edit your signature out
This happens so rarely that it's functionally irrelevant, especially in the age of boorus and reverse image search. And like >>29571184 said, people who actually try art theft are quickly identified. There's no need for giant watermarks that cover an entire image.

>>29573260
What's with websites pushing such awful redesigns no one likes and then crying when their website fucking dies afterwards since everyone moved thanks to that? It's inane.
The same shit happened to Tumblr after the porn ban and everyone just up and left for Twitter. Ironically enough, because of the massive migration, now Twitter is a complete and utter total shithole since all the crazies from Tumblr moved there and now, ironically enough, Tumblr has become a super chill place since the crazies are not there anymore.

when is twitter implementing that country filter again, the west was a mistake.

>>29577160
It wouldn't be effective anyway now that everyone and their mother has a VPN.

>>29577160
Hahaha that video looks based, too bad it's been taken down.

>>29577160
I honestly cannot decide on which is more pathetic.
People getting butthurt about fictional works or people getting butthurt about people getting butthurt about their fictional works. I think the latter is more pathetic because instead of licking their tears and making fun of them so that they get even more pissed they fall for it hook, line and sinker.

>>29231196
Autism

For Japanese artists perhaps the solution to having their work stolen and uploaded everywhere by westerners is to create a Japan only intranet which is only accessible in the country and runs along side the internet but is otherwise de-coupled from it. Of course this won't stop Japanese people from downloading art off the intranet and uploading to the internet but perhaps you could at least reduce the rate and or incidences of it.

>>29579094
Will also just encourage others to get a VPN.

>>29579269
You could just block IP ban VPN providers from connecting to the intranet. Problem solved.

>>29579094
They should just make a great firewall.

>>29460077
Could you put them all into a download link please?

>>29577160
waaah waaah mudantensai waaah
fucking pussy ass japs stay on your side of the internet

>>29579269
you don't seem to understand how stupid people are, it seems
ehentai filters a good portion of people trying to access it I bet, that's why nhentai is still more popular. despite the answer being the first result in google.

>>29568325
Sites can just remove that option to save image altogether. Even for analog piracy, I can see them develop ways such as gimping the file or media resolution just to fuck with screencappers. Or the nuclear option as we all know.

>>29570762
Most artists don't want to though. They just don't want people downloading or reposting it. See, no touch. I don't get what's so hard to understand about this. No one cares about a shitty selfie in front of some tags but if it's a 1:1 hi-res scan you're practically lifting the thing off the wall.

>>29571153
They're just a middleman host though, so why do they even deserve to profit from it? Without the artist's work that composes it they would not even exist. The problem with boorus and I guess the issue underlying the tendency for artists to wipe the slate clean, is the loss of control he may have over his work. He is no longer in charge of where his art is displayed, how it is displayed, and how others may see it. I can choose where to put my sculptures and paintings in whatever museum I wish. I can charge people a fee to see. I can forbid people from taking pictures. I can't do the same online so easily. Maybe that can change.

>>29582902
>Sites can just remove that option to save image altogether.
Which is easily solved with a simple add-on. Why do you encourage the idea of gimping basic functions of the internet?

>>29582902
And someone will find a way to get around anything the site implements and people will share it on sites that have save image as enabled. This debate over is saving a image morally right or wrong is useless.

>>29582902
Some sites do try that already. It's usually easily bypassed by disabling Javascript or something about as simple. Scrambling everything would likely place a big enough burden on the servers to be infeasible.

>>29571184
>By making it available for free over the internet through downloads, everyone can grab a copy of it and do with it as they please
Maybe that can change, then? Is =/ ought

>Sure they have the """LEGAL""" "right" to it, but laws are only as strong as the people who enforce them, and nobody gives a shit about art theft.
Inb4 DRM lockdowns. I can see the same system for video games go for art. Shouldn't be hard to lock down sites from rippers.

>Yeah let's see him enforce it, even if he does DMCA it or whatever, nobody gives a shit, people will just reupload it somewhere else.
Will it take nuking Yiff.party and other sites to get the message across? Sadpanda almost got the boot a year ago too. Maybe something even harsher than DMCA's? Content creators already have the law on their side, tweaking it to better suit evolving tech is no issue. You had manga piracy sites like MangaRock et al. get shut down like nothing and this shouldn't be different.

>When they make it available for view they make it implicitly available for people to save, download and edit to their heart's content, not legally of course, but if you spray paint art on a public unguarded street then expect some asshole to photograph it, or spray over it, or whatever else.
Is it implicitly available only because your browser allows it? Despite possibly being explicitly unavailable because the artist says so? Then lock down the browsers or the site which hosts it. Unlike a street corner this is more my own backyard. Get off my lawn.

>Artists have little to no power so their attempts to "punish" infractions is laughable at best
>As well as the reaction to it by saving, torrenting, ripping, sharing, and everything else that has been done by pirates on the internet since its inception.
>They are already nuking everything so might as well.
So nuke the sites that host it or lock down your own. I can only see this happening over time, DRM expanding to content hosts everywhere. For the film and TV industry, it's already in place. For the anime scene it's inevitable. Manga piracy is a huge loss for publishers and mangaka, which online art neatly pairs with.

>I can type "Mona Lisa" into google and download it onto my PC...
Because Da Vinci is long dead and he sold his rights to the Louvre and they allow fair use. Can't say the same here.

>they don't even have proper rights to their own work.
I don't have to pirate a movie to make my own.

>100% the artist's fault.
I'd say it's split between the users who redistribute it, and the failings of the platform to stop them. The artist actions don't justify yours, "implicitly" or otherwise. Can =/ should, is =/ ought

>>29231196
Online harrasment, mostly. But there are other reasons like retirement, personal stuff and even getting associated with bigtime publishers can make artists remove or leave their accounts offline.

It happened to one of KanColle's lead artists, shibafu, known for his (or her) odd "potato" artstyle. Japanese otakus were so fed up with his art they even ended up mass reporting him getting banned/suspended from the platform around last year as a result. IDK about what actually happened which made them pretty petty at the artist that they'd do such a thing but I bet it's just long lasting beef with the otaku community starting with his kinda controversially weird depiction of USS Intrepid.

>>29583171
>>29583241
>>29583499
Cat and mouse, as it always is. I don't think overlays are the only tool in their arsenal though. But you can bet my money is on the guys with the money, since they have the most to lose. Defeat the addons, or add new methods, and you're gold. Go after the big fish, or defeat the tech that enables the small fish, and you're set.

DRM will only pale in comparison to the behemoth that will come, once the companies and creators get fed up. I can't really blame them, it's just a loss of control over their works and I'd want to get back control just as they do too. Going scorched earth like some ITT, is and frankly shouldn't be the only way.

When are we getting a USS PUEBLO shipgirl? Ive been waiting for so many years now.

>>29361853
Let's hope Twint adds support for them. If you are not already using Twint to archive your favorite twitters, what are you doing?

>>29584312
>he thinks they will add DRM or something similar for fucking image files

>>29538153
i think the "NO repost/redistribution" rule is kinda loosely enforced among the japanese artist community. Most artists actually don't give a damn if their doujinshi gets reposted on a p2p or internet site, haven't heard cases or situations wherein an doujinka specially requested a scanlation group to take down their work. From what I've seen, some circles are kinda smart: kinda veering off topic but some 3dpd r34 circles like Sexfriend and Sex Syndrome often opt to release their smut via DVD first, and on occasions, periodically posting fantia related content (in HD) after half a year the DVDs are released. it's honestly a good way to make money as if they released it online it's just gonna get pirated eventually anyway. And the DVDs by far are pretty tedious to get, even some circles won't allow overseas shipping which is kind of a bummer. So, getting back to the point, once your content is out here in the net, there's no going back, there are just bastards that are out there to steal your work while there are people who will appreciate them (or even give mo... err... financial support for the curation of such works).

>>29584000
>Maybe that can change, then?
No, it cannot. Never.
>Inb4 DRM lockdowns. I can see the same system for video games go for art.
Nope, because art itself is much more easily pirated than video games.
Video games themselves get cracked all the time, it is inevitable for large releases even, always online logins and registrations to run video games are very
unpopular.
Even then, a video game is like a virtual device, but a piece of art is a static virtual immutable object.
How the hell can you "lock down" a piece of art with DRM if "cracking" it is as easy as having long enough access to it to press PrntScrn?
>Will it take nuking Yiff.party and other sites to get the message across?
Nope, because other sites will spring up as soon as a vacuum in the "virtual market" opens up. And if it's not public websites, it's going to be private trackers with logins.
Multibillion dollar corporations get their stuff pirated all the time, some basement dweller selling his furry futanari orgy cartoons on the internet has even less resources at hand.
The reason sites get nuked is because publishers go after them, those that publish the work of artists, who by themselves don't do anything of actual weight.
>Maybe something even harsher than DMCA's? Content creators already have the law on their side, tweaking it to better suit evolving tech is no issue.
I don't know about you but I'm personally not very fond of extremely restrictive and controlling laws being put in place on the internet or anywhere else, government bootlicking to fight against the spoopy pirate menace.
>Is it implicitly available only because your browser allows it? Despite possibly being explicitly unavailable because the artist says so? Then lock down the browsers or the site which hosts it. Unlike a street corner this is more my own backyard. Get off my lawn.
It is implicitly and explicitly available by nature of being accessible on a website that has no restricted access, no identification and no passwords.
If the artist implicitly allows people to save and copy their art, by nature of placing it on a freely accessible website that lets browsers copy the files onto their computers, which is how browsers work, but then explicitly reject the saving and copying of their art through a verbal agreement, then the artist is a complete fucking moron.
It's the equivalent of walking around nude outside and then getting mad at people making photographs.
The internet isn't your lawn, your website isn't your back yard since you directly allow everyone on the internet access to it, by nature of it being an addressable website.
>So nuke the sites that host it
See above.
>or lock down your own
The actual smart thing to do, since you then don't actually release your art on the internet.
>I can only see this happening over time, DRM expanding to content hosts everywhere.
Do you desire this?
Would you think that it's a fair exchange to gimp and destroy the entire internet just to quell the whining of morons who don't know how file distribution and privacy works and pretty much got what they deserved?
>I'd say it's split between the users who redistribute it, and the failings of the platform to stop them.
If you place a 1:1 high definition scan on the internet and then whine about people distributing it, IT IS YOUR FAULT, for making it available to them.
If you don't want your art to be saved, then DON'T SHOW IT TO PEOPLE, how difficult is that to understand?
Taking responsibility for their own actions instead of crying that they got suckered, is that so difficult?
Instead of getting smart, they whine about something their actions directly ENABLED.

>>29585196
There was this one artist who found out about an unauthorised translation of his works, and basically took it back for his own purposes. Who was that?

>>29577160
>japanese manga artist makes shit art
>has a meltdown over criticism
It's funny, why is this a problem? Anime art is lazy and it shows when people with a better understanding of art can see beyond the deception techniques they employ (contrast, blurr etc) and then they get mad because anime art really is usually pretty ugly

>>29586151
>>>/ic/
>>>/co/

Where did this mindset of "the artist is always right" come from? Why do people defend every stupid decision artists make?

>>29586805
My guess is because illustration has high occupational prestige to people that frequent this place.
Imageboard weeaboos thrive on art and original content after all, otherwise there would be less to post, so they also defend and excuse everything they do.

>>29231196
doesn't spark joy anymore. delete everything, start anew. I've found japanese people to be more in tune with the transient nature of things.

>>29529626
So, what's the best?

>>29585998
Yeah, who?

>>29334083
Here's one of the oldest art that the artist drew in their pixiv

>>29608034
The newest Japanese trend could be shitting on the streets like they do in India and you would still find a way to praise it but look down on Indians

>>29586451
Seethe

What I don't understand is why some of them get so mad just because they have non-Japanese followers, instead of embracing the free advertising they get. Many Japanese artists (and even companies) do their best to make sure their stuff remain Japan-only, even when there's foreign demand.

>>29622931
Maybe they're racists (true)?

>>29619681
Cute, would put on the fridge.
He really went far.

>>29231196
Because westerners think everyone is a pedophile.

Because they want to distance themselves from western cancel culture as much as possible.

>>29626383
That's fine, the problem is the harassment.

>>29626445
Don't even start, Japan has its own cancel culture and it is hundreds of times worse. Artists get literally canceled forever if they are caught taking prescription drugs or seen with someone of the opposite sex.

Follow japanese artists who have ancestry that goes up to the Jomon period, those ones don't give a shit if stuff gets reposted.
Yayoi japanese are the ones that get pissy ab
out the reprinting, they would go to war over rice farms in ancient times.

>>29626445
Oh please, Japanese artists have been deleting all of their works for little reason long before that was even a thing. There are so many dead Pixiv profiles that it's bewildering.

is there a website that makes browsing twitter artists not a pain in the ass? looking for a gallery i can see without having to register to it

>>29627957
just do it through yandex
there are apps to fake your phone number iirc.

>>29627541
There's no Japanese analogue to some tiktok "influencer" faggot with 3 million braindead kpop zombie followers quote tweeting some art of a flat chested girl in a bikini and acting like they discovered the next Epstein.

>>29628868
Are you stupid? Artists get literally disappeared and the traces of their associations scratched when they are caught with shit like prescription drugs, just because you can relate to your case doesn't make it worse
Cancelled artists still can perform and get deals and people will defend them, no such things happen in Japan
Mind you, having a boyfriend and taking prescription drugs are normal things people do, being a TikToker and posting things on twitter is not even in the same ballpark.

>>29627957
https://en.whotwi.com/

>>29627745
based jomon poster

>>29629760
>prescription drugs
Sure you're not just going DUDE WEED LMAO?

>>29629760
>>29627541

Why would prescription drugs get someone cancelled? They're given by doctors so they're legal and there comes a point in everyone's lives where they'll have to take some.

Or is this some thing that is related to the stigma associated with depression or other mental health illnesses?

Short answer, Twitter is a dumpster in fire

>>29586805
because artists contribute to the community and most of their critics do not

>>29239926
Kill yourself pedo scum.

>>29473973
That's something I don't understand at all. Why the hell would you get pissed over your art ending up on 4chan where no-one's taking credit for it?

>>29508880
Oh yes, we're so """entitled""" for wanting to look at pictures on the internet.

>>29636766
Yes. And artists certainly aren't entitled for thinking that the entirety of internet culture should change just for them.

>>29628868
There was a law in Japan added because of 2ch trying to cancel some lawyer because he defended a shitkid who paid to shitpost, a case that went on for like a decade included. Forget the exact name. Don't really think you can get much bigger than that barring an international incident.

>>29231196
It's usually because of harassment from people in the west

>>29638386
what kind of "harassment"?

>>29629760
>>29627541
>Prescription drugs
C'mon son. Not even yourself believe this bullshit.
At least say dude week lmao if you wanna make yourself believable.
>Muh boy baaaaaaaw idol culture bad
They knew what they were signing into. If they don't wanna make the smelly otaku mad and have them start a harassing them or whatever by breaking the illussion they're selling them then simply don't mess with that kind of industry.

>>29634363
Ironic shitposting is still just shitposting

>>29641145
>They knew what they were signing into. If they don't wanna make the smelly otaku mad and have them start a harassing them or whatever by breaking the illussion they're selling them then simply don't mess with that kind of industry.
The same shit goes for western celebs and yet the backlash Japanese artists is worse. Stop excusing the systemic autism of an entire nation

I haven't really heard a single good argument about why an artist would want to keep their art up instead of spitefully nuking everything they have.
The most prevalent argument seems to say that once an artist uploads their stuff to the internet, they're not allowed to delete it since it becomes the internet's property.

>>29644348
I've yet to see a good argument for why an artist should nuke all of their works at the slightest provocation.

>>29644348
No one is saying artists don't have the right to delete their shit. We're just calling them retarded for doing it.

>>29585028
Why not? Change the medium or change your site. Something's gotta change.

>>29585812
>No, it cannot. Never.
And let money run dry? Only a matter of time once the Japs wake up. And given the crackdowns on manga piracy it's already happening.

>Nope, because art itself is much more easily pirated than video games.
Video games themselves get cracked all the time, it is inevitable for large releases even
How's Denuvo going? Unpopular ain't stopping triple AAA devs. No one likes having their work hijacked and out of their hands.

>How the hell can you "lock down" a piece of art with DRM if "cracking" it is as easy as having long enough access to it to press PrntScrn?
I don't think a potato res crop counts as the real McCoy. Same shit with analog piracy in general. The downgrade in quality is certainly enough to turn it into a whole new "masterpiece". Let bit rot do the rest.

>Nope, because other sites will spring up as soon as a vacuum in the "virtual market" opens up. And if it's not public websites, it's going to be private trackers with logins.
And what material will they have to share again?

>The reason sites get nuked is because publishers go after them, those that publish the work of artists, who by themselves don't do anything of actual weight.
DMCA's are dead easy to get. The legal and monetary burden lies on the host.

>I'm personally not very fond of extremely restrictive and controlling laws
Laws are all we have, like em or not. Short of brainwashing everybody to do good.

>If the artist... mad at people making photographs.
I guess rape victims all ask for it too, huh? Again, the actions of others won't ever justify yours. The freedom to do something won't ever justify doing it.

>The actual smart thing to do, since you then don't actually release your art on the internet.
Again, who says that's all one can do?

>Would you think that it's a fair exchange to gimp and destroy the entire internet just to quell the whining of morons who don't know how file distribution and privacy works and pretty much got what they deserved?
Absolutely. Who says this was ever a part of "the internet"? Or that people are expected to go along with it against gheir will? No thanks.

>If you place a 1:1 high definition scan...actions directly ENABLED.
Who says? When a museum hangs artwork on the walls they don't ENABLE you to rip it down and run with it. Or download it. Maybe there will be an internet where artists won't have to be held hostage to rippers, crackers, pirates, and the rest. Art thieves get punished IRL and yet not here?

>>29622931
They want to keep things in house. Cultural globalism was a mistake.

>>29644523
Cuz it's their work? Don't gotta justify it to anyone beyond themselves

>>29654481
>Would you think that it's a fair exchange to gimp and destroy the entire internet just to quell the whining of morons who don't know how file distribution and privacy works and pretty much got what they deserved?

>Absolutely. Who says this was ever a part of "the internet"? Or that people are expected to go along with it against gheir will? No thanks.

Its gonna be just another case of war aganist drugs, war that cant be won, only thing that happens is internet and its culture gets ruined and people just find ways around whatever bullshit that they manage cook up.

>>29644348
Artists can do whatever they want. People can call them retarded also. I can also click "save image as".

>>29233440
they're all gone now, the cool ones

>>29568342
it's like a doctor who learns his practice and then chooses not to help people, don't be suprised if you get held accountable for not doing anything when people know you have the knowledge, you are accountable to your actions and knowledge, whether that's right or wrong once it's out there expect to be judged by others, those who think they can escape that by arguing otherwise are idiots

>>29554652
if you are viewing it you have downloaded it

>>29654481
Cheers to the prospect of destroying basic internet freedoms just to slate the ego of some conceited artists

>>29539055
You do not need to be competent at Japanese to follow tags. You actually don't need to learn it all, just learn/copy down the tags.
Learning Japanese makes it much easier though, since it gives you much more context when navigating Japanese-only pages.

>>29643099
>The same shit goes for western celebs
Not it doesn't considering that for western celebs sluttery is encouraged and praised.

Woah

artemis

>>29654855
>war aganist drugs, war that cant be won
I don't like wars on abstract ideas myself, but one thing you can do is cut off supply. For cartels, it's the supply of money. For artists, it's cutting off digital downloads if they need to. Again, cat and mouse, but the cat is far bigger.

>>29655912
Doctors have their morals and their medical license on the line. Artists don't have any duty at all.

>>29659714
Your freedoms violate others. Crackdown when?

>>29685901
They just violate retards that don't understand how the world functions. Maybe it'll be better to let them learn from their mistakes instead of ruining everything to accommodate for their buffoonery