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>>2863328
You tell me.

don't care till they add another melee button and take out dial a combo

Confirmed for SWR.

To be announced/released summer comiket?

says something about comiket.

Flandre confirmed for SWR fuck yeah!

>>2863333
How should I know? They only uploaded that picture and that they are gonna be for C76.

The picture looks like a new stage, so maybe they are planning to release new maps and spellcards or something.

Now that blazblu came I hope every fighter will be 720p!

YUKA WILL BE BACK I FEEL IT IN MY BONES

>>2863360

HUD update too I think

>>2863360
I always had the feeling you knew a bit Japanese.

>>2863367
My hopes where crushed too many times, I abandoned the idea of Yuka in a Touhou fightan game.

>>2863391
Don't give up!

>>2863388
Yeah, no. And even if I knew there is nothing to translate except "we'll be at C76 guise".

thank god, fucking finally

I hope they put Suika in SWR.

brb reinstalling.

SWR expansion pack?

>>2863430
But Suika is already in SWR....

Is that a lake behind them?

Imagine 720p sprites ;_;

>>2863453
Yes please

So we're getting either China or Cirno. Either way, we all win.

>>2863444
She is? I didn't know that! Downloading!

I don't care about Cirno or China. I just want a proper Flan instead of 2P Remilia.

I want Yuka or Mokou

I for one hope that not only the HUD and some backgrounds are updated. Pic related

>>2863453
its the misty lake!

ITS 9 TIME

How long has it been? A year?

>>2863502
Obviously. That's why there's Marisa and Reimu in the picture.

needs utsuho and kanako at LEAST

>>2863498

Where is the download link?
Too many moonspeak...

>>2863523
Sorry, it's gonna have Sanae. The good girl.

Or maybe it'll be the SSBB to the previous SSB and SSBM.

Where can I download this?

>>2863328
All I can tell from that picture is that ZUN was not involved in the creation of that HUD.

>>2863555
Sanae VS. Aya = ULTIMATE SLUT-FIGHT!

My pathetic skills in katakana allowed me to find the "daunroodo" section, but what the fuck do I do now?

>>2863558
Wait for C76.

>>2863562
This would kick ass.
It would probably suck dick, too.

>>2863572
see>>2863573

I WANT TO PLAY THE TINY TINY CLEVER COMMANDER!

>>2863365
I'd prefer 1080p for my shmups though.

>>2863573
Oh, okay.
I'll go play IaMP now.

wtf is this
also im a newfag to /jp/
please explaina s i have seen clips of it before but can't read japenese for shit

wtf is this
also im a newfag to /jp/
please explaina s i have seen clips of it before but can't read japanese for shit

wtf is this
also im a newfag to /jp/
please explaina s i have seen clips of it before but can't read japanese for shit

Jealous...

>>2863642
>>2863643
>>2863645
What the fuck?

>>2863659
Posting glitch, I guess.
Stranger things have happened, like those thumbnail bugs we used to get all the time back in old-/a/.

>コミックマーケット76　受かりました
8月15日土曜日"Ａ" ブロック 28b　黄昏フロンティア　です。
Not much

You can really kick the bucket now?

>>2863646
They took all that time to edit in new sprites but forgot to remove the Reimu portraits?

>>2864057
Why would anyone want them to add such shitty characters? They want more people to buy the game, not less.

>>2864070
Words cannot express how much I want that. Keine in SWR would be so bloody awesome.

>>2864057
And you win by doing it. Go figure.

>>2863328
What with all the machinery, gears and overall mechanic look of that HUD? Smells of Nitori to me.

The strings are broken.
It's time for war.

>>2864099
This one?

>>2864099
Or this one?

>>2864103
An excellent question.
The background is water.
But it could be Misty Lake.

>>2864085
Those sprites aren't all original.

Parsee is Sakuya with her hair coloured yellow. You can even see the braids.

>>2864110
>>2864116
I figured there ought to be a mechanic for both at the same time. What with shifting weather and all that wouldn't be so strange.

Time to punish Komachi for skipping work and going to brawls.

Maybe it's time to introduce a little manpower.

Confirmed for SWR.
As a new Patchy spellcard. ;_;

>>2864127

Introduce a full moon weather, with effects including changing Keine into her were-hakutaku form.

A dog-maid is fine too.

Patch is here!

EX Reisen. Now with her blazer.

The lunar war comes to Gensokyo...

>>2864173
can you handle it?

>>2864172
I wish

Okay, I'm done for now.

>>2864164
>EX
Stopped reading.

>>2864156
Exactly! It would be so awesome on uncountable levels.

>>2864180
Then, I'll keep the post.

>>2864194
Another thing I wish

All you can really see is the strange new metal UI and a new background. No other clues. I'll just be happy if it isn't a patch (ie: IaMP update) but a new game (ie: IaMP->SWR)

Incidentally, when is UFO finally coming?

>>2864219
C76 probably.

When playing as EX Keine, the 'Knockout' graphic should be replaced with 'CAVED'.

>>2864219
Before the end of this year, I think.
>a new game
Seconded.

>>2864247
xD

>>2864247
FUND IT

>>2864261
I love the expression.

>>2864333
This would be beyond awesome

>>2864261
Trolling people with Tewi in SWR would almost be too much goodness for me to handle.

Also I hope it isn't a new game. If it is a new game then that means we'll lose stuff. We lost China going from IaMP to SWR. We lost Suika and Yuyuko's old stages. And we lost music.

There is no reason to choose a clean slate over an expansion.

>>2864342
And get trolled right before the final boss again?

FUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU ORIN!!!

>>2864357
>There is no reason to choose a clean slate over an expansion.
New mechanics that you want to experiment with without potentially ruining the old game, see for example flight, card decks with alternate specials, and the orb system as opposed to the bar system. I agree, a major patch is more likely and preferable at this point. There were 4 years between IaMP and SWR. It's only been 1 year since SWR. Give it time.

>>2864219
This would be the best route anyway. The shitty weather gimmick really hurt the game. Best to start over. Don't make it 'official' this time so they aren't chained to canon.

>>2863339
Nothing wrong with Dial A, though it does need rebalancing in damage. Meiling had multistrike and no one bitched about how easy it was to get a "combo" with it. The problem is you can 5aaaa *spellcard* for over 4k dmg. If every dial a's damage was significantly reduced, or not reduced at all but gave insane proration on the second to last hit, it'd be fine imo.

SWR has many problems, but most of them could be fixed with a simple patch, no need for a complete overhaul. Reduce bounce on airblock, make wrongblocking pushback same as regular block, increase recovery time on unpunishable graze attacks (Yukari/Tenshi/Sakuya 66C, Yukari 623C, etc) to make them riskier to use, take away/give density to some bullets to make them more on par with each other (one single reimu 5c or yukari 5c should not be able to clean out an entier spirit bar worth of bullets from half the rest of the cast and STILL go through and hit them)

It really wouldn't take much to make SWR an amazing fighting game on par with IaMP from the lulzy party game it is right now.

>>2864357
She plays by trolling. Best character ever.

>>2864380
An expansion would be better. Then they'd have an excuse to include a toggle for the weather. They'd need a lot of new characters for it to be worthwhile though.

>>2864389

>>Nothing wrong with Dial A

Stopped reading right there.

Seriously, do you honestly believe that restricting everything the player can do to dumbed down and ineffective options is okay, especially right after something like IaMP ?

>>2864396
I'm inclined to believe it's gonna be some sort of expansion. Add a few stages, several new spellcards, new weather (凪 on the pic) and voila. I think they wanted to add new spellcards some time ago, so now would be a perfect time.

>>2864389
You've got to be kidding. Do you not realize how stupid SWR would be if someone like Youmu had bullet parity with the entire cast, yet still retained all of her speed, tiny hitbox, dp, easy air combos and above average damage potential?

>>2864389

>>It really wouldn't take much to make SWR an amazing fighting game

It would take overhauling the entire fucking system. You don't know what the fuck.

>>2864389
>If every dial a's damage was significantly reduced, or not reduced at all but gave insane proration on the second to last hit, it'd be fine imo.
I personally don't even think that's necessary. For almost every character except Suika, there's a huge difference between a dial-A combo and a bread and butter combo. Patchy is 1500 dial-A and doesn't limit compared to 2700 B&B which reaches limit. Reimu is 1500 dial-A and doesn't limit compared to 2400 B&B which reaches limit. The only time a dial-A can deal decent damage is with a spellcard combo, like you illustrated, and even then the risk/cost versus reward is still intact. You just blew 3-5 cards to do that much damage, opened yourself up to the possibility of a bullet counterhit by trying, and you could have done an extra 1.5-2k damage if you hadn't have combod from a dial-A.

>>2864443
Again, look at iamp meiling. She has a dial a, and aside from stupidly low dmg, there's little wrong with that char.
Also, what do you mean restricting the player to Dial A? You have plenty of options for pressure and combos aside from 5AAAA *something*. I play Yuyuko, The only time I ever use 5AAA is after j2a on hit in the corner, which happens like once every 2 matches.

And now for something completely different.

>>2864477

Who the fuck cares about Meiling. No one CARES about dial A. It's a stupid option for stupid people. The PROBLEM is that we went from a game with 2 physical and 3 bullet buttons, to a game with respectively 1 and 2 buttons. You can't do shit in SWR, when compared to what you can do in IaMP. Dial A is to blame partially because it's a lazy ass copout for the developer that instead of trying to put gatling or SF-like normal, do something like this, that has only been seen so far in fucking shonen manga fighting games.

>>2864351

>>2864389
>lulzy
Kill yourself.

There was word that ZUN had a meeting with Tasofro a couple months ago, this is probably what they're working on.

While it's been a much shorter time between this and SWR than there was between SWR and IaMP, the difference is that SWR was not received well, so they may be wanting to take another whack at it.

It being an expansion seems unlikely, generally new UI would mean new game.

>>2864451
I'm not saying every bullet should be the same, I'm saying it's stupid that Yukari can press 5c and clean out every single bullet you just spend half an hour throwing out. It's fine to have dense bullets, but this is going too far.

>>2864452
No, it really wouldn't. You don't need to slash and burn every option that's "broken" to fix the game. Airteching for example, is practicaly unpunishable in SWR. Why? no vulnerability period between the inv tech and when you can block, plus if you do get hit blocking it will bounce you up to safety for little cost.
What if right before you could block, there was a short period where you could get hit? What if airblocking didn't bounce you up so much? What if airblocking cost a lot more spirit?
Another broken mechanic is flight. It makes bullet coverage kind of weak because anyone can just fly over a ton of shit and avoid it. What if flight simply cost more spirit? Then you suddently have to learn to use airdashes and can't use flight as a crutch to avoid everything, as you risk getting aircrushed and hit.

You don't need a huge system overhaul, just fixing little things. Wrongblocking is a huge problem in SWR, yet all it'd take to fix it is to remove the increased pushback, that's it. Nothing more.

>>2864469
The problem with it isn't that the Dial A itself does a lot of damage for free, it's that you end up getting 2500+ dmg for a combo that starts with a simple quick poke, and which gives you plenty of time to hitconfirm since you use most of your dial to begin with. In IaMP, you can get 2.5k+ dmg combos with many chars, yes, but how many of those start with a 5a poke midscreen? highest I can think of is Remilia, which does a bit less than 2k, unless you chose to bomb.

>>2864540
Damage is far too low in IaMP. Especially for being able to recover health. 10 minute matches are common.
Bullet differences aren't stupid. The player who throws entire screens of bullets in such a way that they can be cleared by a single linear non-homing bullet AND then get hit by it are stupid.
Dial A is a simple solution to the bigger problem that was IaMP loose pressure. Divergence is both easy and common, and is more rewarding, so you rarely will complete dial A unless by choice. If you could endlessly tap A then it would be possible to loose pressure and build up cards too easily. Not to mention that loose pressure is generally a waste of time at high level as it will just stall the game for extended periods of time until a clear fuckup is made. If you're going to sit and play rock paper scissors pressure you may as well play it quickly.
Wrongblock push is the only thing I agree with you on, it seems like it was also put in to deal with loose pressure but it instead created a defensive 'mechanic.' The push should go, but if the push goes then the additional frames of blockstun have to be reevaluated as well.

>>2864249

>Damage is far too low in IaMP. Especially for being able to recover health. 10 minute matches are common.
Debatable. 10 minute matches aren't common, at high levels, it's more like 6-8 mins. But that's up to personal preference, I actually like the long matches.

>Bullet differences aren't stupid. The player who throws entire screens of bullets in such a way that they can be cleared by a single linear non-homing bullet AND then get hit by it are stupid.
I don't get hit by it (unless there's heavy delay, but then any game gets lulzy in lag), but her stupidly dense lasers do annoy me, though I never said bullet differences was stupid, only that this one was over the top.
Then again, It's more of a personal peeve than a game issue, so I guess It's fine.

Rest I can't comment on, what do you mean by loose pressure?

>>2864659
the chance to recover makes the pre/post declare games really interesting. IaMP's pressure system isn't simple RPS, the crush, stagger-> recoverable (pre declare) makes it great, along with the unique cancel tree iamp has.

And no, 10min matches are very rare. How many 10min matches have you had? Only a few japanese alice/meiling players get them. The average match length in the west is 2-4 minutes, 3-5 minutes in japan.

The main problem with the SWR pressure system is that it's almost inexistant. The defender has way too good options. Also there's no midrange pressure at all, if the opponent isn't in your face you're pretty much free to turn the pressure into neutral by flying away. Going into the air bears no risk either, as there aren't really any air crush strings - even if there are, you can simply BE out from them.

I, for one, hope this new patch (or expansion) will overhaul the pressure system along with a lot of other issues SWR has.

test bump

1. Weathers that affect the actual gameflow
Kawagiri (River mist):
This is the worst of them all. It completely ruins the zoning games and makes melee hardly usable. Also kills most combos. There's absolutely nothing fine about this weather.

Taifuu (Typhoon):
Another horrible weather. Kills the pressure games and reduces the game level to "hey, lets spam shit at each other's face" If this weather comes and you're at much less health than the opponent, there's no way to recover.

Hanagumori (Spring Haze)
You have only one melee button in this game, where you should definitely have two of them. And now, even that one button you have gets removed. What the shit. Do I even need to go on?

2. Another button for melee, more melee attacks
This game has way too many melee attacks on the A button. There's no reason why there shouldn't be a 5-button system with two buttons for melee. Or 7 if you count the spellcard change+use buttons. Having two 5a attacks depending on the range is bad.

Also there's a huge lack of different melee moves in this game. Pressure is really weak in this game and grazing attacks are too strong. I'm not much of a fan of the idea of having guardcrushes moved from charged 3[a] and 6[a] to be moves that can be cancelled from command normals AND crush, but having a move that catches jumpout attemps after command normals would be a great cure against people trying to jump out or counterattack predictably.

3. Wrongblock
I can't understand this at all. Why, Tasofro, why? Why make blocking WRONG beneficial for the defender? WHY? this absolutely makes no sense. There's lots of strings that don't work because of this when the opponent blocks wrong. It also makes the already weak melee even less good, since projectiles dont cause this shit.

4. Stage size
The characters are the size of a fly, and the stage is the size of a huge hall. Especially with the tiny melee hitboxes, it's stupidly hard trying to cover different escapes even if you know the opponent will take them. Reducing the stage-size to one-third of what it's right now would make this game much better.

5. More active frames for moves, bigger hitboxes Related to the previous section, it's too hard to hit each other in this game. HJ8 and chickenblock are way too strong, escaping between two melee hits works way too often. You can't cover enough of escaping areas in this game.

6. Change in movesets
Grazing attacks are very stupid in this game. Like mentioned in section 2, there's just not enough choices to cancel into melee, and if your string isn't airtight it can be most likely beaten by some character's 66C, which on counterhit lands three times more damage than your choice of counter for this move would have landed. It's nice when a certain move has one of the following properties:
1. Grazes, beats projectiles
2. Beats most melee attacks
3. Very fast and *huge* reach
4. Leads into a lot of damage
Grazing attacks in this game have ALL of them. And that's not all, they're usually safe on block too! In fact, if the opponent happens to block them wrong, they can jump backwards and fly wherever they want to neutralize the pressure. They're punishable maybe one time out of ten, when they happen to hit you from a certain range.

7. Flying, highjump, chickenblock and cowblock
Flying and highjumping should have a larger window in which a counterhit is induced. There are so many options for escaping pressure, and even with the right it's sometimes hard to punish the opponent's movement. Flying also allows the player to spend too much time in the air. A possible fix for this would be removing the option to have two flights per jump, reducing it to one flight/one airdash or two airdashes. Although highjumping and chickenblocking are mainly good because of the huge stage size, lack of active frames on moves and small hitboxes, they're still not punishable enough even with the few moves with large hitboxes. Look at section9 for more info about why chickenblock is too good. So what's cowblock then? Yuyuko performing chickenblock. Ha ha.

8. Visual & Audio
Some stages have are *WAY* too bright, making bullets have very low visibility on them. The stage music gets very repetitive when you always listen to the same loop while hosting a game. An option for varying title music would make hosting a lot more pleasent.

9. Airblocking too beneficial
There's a huge lack of good airstrings in this game, making spending time in the air too beneficial. Blocking something high in the air doesn't give the opponent any kind of advantage. Possible fixes for this would be increasing the amount of spirit damage taken when airblocking, changing the moveset to allow better strings(although alone it would do hardly any difference) or making blocked moves in air cause lots of chipdamage. Let's compare what happens when you airblock a youmu j.a in Iamp and SWR: SWR: j.a j.6a, airtight string ends there, opponent can fly away. Iamp: j.a j.c rejump j.b j.c rejump j.b jc *crush* 2a loop for ~4,5k damage, followed by some seconds of guardcrushed mode (no autoguard, no specials, no projectiles)

10. Wakeup grazing
In IaMP wakeup grazing requires very strict timing so most players don't use it, or they fail it and get punished for it from time to time. I don't support this idea either, but at least it's better than having no midrange or long range okizeme at all. Whatever you throw when the opponent is knocked down has no meaning if you're not there to follow it with melee meaty.

Final comments:
Wow, 10 sections filled so quick. I didn't even have space to rant about the crouching character hitboxes, useless spellcards and special moves (alts or primary) and many other things that should be fixed, but I guess they're rather minor compared to the above mentioned 10 sections. I don't believe Tasofro would actually fix these problems, although most players agree that these should be fixed. So why not go play something better, like IaMP?

The game needs more Sanae, Kanako, and Suwacko. I'm sure Japanese ZUN feels the same way.

>>2865008
>>2865003
>>2864973
>>2864965

You may think that you are some kind of pro at the game, but according to this it looks like you are not.

>>2865030
I aprove Kanako

>>2865046
I'm not him, but I'd like to point out that claiming to be a pro at SWR is alot like claiming to be a pro at cleaning your ears.

Hell, I wish that SWR was as fun as cleaning my ears.

>>2865064
Play in Insane mode.

Everything I want is more characters.

>>2865008
You, anon. Spoke the truth. I always wanted to do that, but I was too busy taking it easy.