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this has gotta be the biggest slump touhou has been in for years
no mainline game, decimal game in dev hell, only content is two manga, both pretty mediocre, but at least the satori manga has a plot thread that shows up every chapter. This manga just meanders around, not doing anything and the few things that do happen aren't interesting in the slightest
this is the worst year to be a 2hufag

>>26880685
Was this the most "nothing happens" chapter in the entire run so far?

>>26880685
Komachi is going to fucking kill Mamizou fuck yes

>>26881363
Please

>>26881122
And to boot it ends with DeNA's 25th anniversary spectacular next month where they're gonna shit over everything.

>>26880685
F L A T !

>>26880685
I fucking hate raccoons.

>>26881926
Delicious

>>26881363
Komachi I'm a lolifag but if you kill the damn raccoon I might start to enjoy big titties just for you please free me from this suffering.

>>26881926
I fucking love raccoons.

I’m getting back into touhou after a long break. Why the Mamizou hate?

>>26886953
People can't handle the coon

>>26881122
everything's in a slump, anon. there's a pandemic that's cancellin everything
you should just take it easy

>>26888093
This
Use this time to get them 1CCs

>>26886953
She's obnoxious and has no reason to be here.
She's used as a tool of exposition when better characters exist and would be more knowledgable.
If Yukari can show up to waste time, she can get up off of her lazy 1200 year old ass and talk to Reimu about a youkai living in the human village.

>>26888230
Yukari Is currently being fucked by me

>>26889218
Good luck second place.

>>26881122
>this is the worst year to be a 2hufag
Don't say that, you'll jinx us all and summon Sakurai. If smashfags come to this board on top of the current shit that's already spamming 20+ threads a day then I'll agree with you after I'm done throttling you.
That being said I think the mangas that come with SCoOW are pretty good though I'm pretty sure they're not canon. Don't sleep on any of the stuff from there there's a ton of fun stuff even beyond mangas, even if not all of it gets translated. It brought back CoLA so it's worth genuinely looking at the whole magazine for that alone. Easily my favorite printwork.

>>26881122
>at least the satori manga has a plot
People falling asleep after getting drunk isn't a plot.

I dont get why people are complaining that this manga has no plot and is just meandering around, thats exactly what I want. Touhou is about the characters and setting not the plot. WaHH was the same and not nearly as many people were bitching.

>>26890728
That's not the satori plot

>>26892791
Kasen provided nice eye candy
Miyoi is ugly

>>26893154
That's what I said. There is no plot. Just people falling asleep. The only people who like it are those who are going to kill themselves when ZUN reveals it's not Mima.

>>26892791
I dont get it either. I'd like a plot more but I went in expecting something that would be more or less slice of life in gensokyo and that's basically what I got. I don't know why people would really be expecting more than that.

Touhou tends to be very episodic, not really plot focused. Forbidden Scrollery is the only one with much of a plot since it shows Kosuzu learning about the lore, but even that is more about the individual stories.

>>26894452
Boy, you are on crack cocaine, LSD, Silvia, and WEED to say Miyoi is ugly. Get your fucking eyes checked holy shit.

>>26892791
WaHH had mini-plots where something happened, this manga is about people forgetting that the main character exists.

>>26894959
joke's on you, i was going to kill myself anyay

>>26888230
>when better characters exist and would be more knowledgable
Nah. Yukari and the sages are too shady and high on pedestal to bother meddling around in the village and its business. It's nice to see someone more grounded in both opinion and activity like Mamizou.
Yukari would be just say "maintaining status quo human cattle bla bla bla" in cryptid without directly doing anything, like politician.

>>26894959
You really need to take it easy, anon.

>>26897164
who?

guys i know the ending of this manga
so reimu decides to kill whale because she is youkai and then mamizou appears and says no and then reimu dont kills whale and all characters have flower viewing event but only reimu and mamizou have speech bubbles

>>26892791
At least in most slice of life stuff there will be a thing that happens each chapter for the cute girls to do cute things related to, but the only semblance of structure this has is 'oh no, miyoi is gonna get revealed, actually no she isn't'
Yeah, touhou is about the characters, but the least ZUN could do is actually use said characters. This manga features like five characters total, and even in the same time period FS had done more with its cast

>>26899957
Wrong.
Komachi is about to slice Mamizou apart.

>>26900334
literaly never bad thing can happen to mamizou

Miyoi bullying old men out of her bar!

>>26890067
>though I'm pretty sure they're not canon
What tipped you off?

>>26881926
What if the real tanuki is the tail, and the human body is just a zombie host?

>>26892791
Most new people want an action driven touhou manga

>>26901338
her tail is just giant turd

>>26901338
Kill her already ZUN
Just fucking do it already

oh look, characters I'd rather see show up rather than just the cast of FS and WaHH again

>>26901692
I'd take a Mystia manga of her going around and singing her heart out with the Prismriver sisters over another chapter with that tanuki bitch

>>26892791
>>26895650
It's not that there's no plot, that's kind of poorly wording it.
It's that there is no conflict, nothing that makes it an engaging story. Which is a problem when you base the entire idea on a mystery, even on a loose one at best. Cheating Detective Satori is all about the hunt for the rogue spirit (even if it is its own brand of meandering). Finding it, as well learning about Satori and how she manages life above ground, drives most of the reader's investment. It bothers to build up anticipation and stakes, important aspects to mystery stories. It's not a problem that would resolve itself. You can't say the same for Lotus Eaters. Hell, Miyoi's shenanigans straight up stop working and acts like nothing happened the moment you sober up, so it literally solves itself.

Lotus Eaters' problem is that not only every possible conflict is resolved on its own with no input from anyone, there's no investment in the central ideas anyway. So what if Miyoi gets exposed? We have very little attachment to the new girl, she and Geitondei offers little to the setting or character relationships. No joke, no one would actually care if Reimu just barged into the door and exorcised her on the spot. Forbidden Scrollery had a stake because everyone actually needed Kosuzu to survive, whether because they wanted to protect the masquerade, needed her youkai books, or actually liked her and felt a need to protect her. WaHH and by extension Kasen had less of that, but even she warmed up to the cast and had several important backstory implications that would make removing the stuck-up bitch more trouble than it was worth. Even the Three Fairies of Light bothered to make friends around Genso. Miyoi has...nothing but a bar for characters that really don't need to hang out together, want to hang out together, nor would benefit whatsoever from hanging out together. So again, you really could get rid of her and nothing would change.

And if don't care about that and want fluffy SoL shenanigans...then holy shit, Lotus Eaters is just boring. It's unfunny, everyone is just there, no one does anything or talk about anything interesting, and you don't even get to learn anything about cool alcoholic drinks. The entire manga is precipiced on the fact that everyone there is obsessed with getting shitfaced drunk, you could at least have some more candid conversations than "Is Miyoi doing something bad?? Oh, no...".

So you have a story where nothing happens, no one does anything, no one WANTS to do anything, no one CAN do anything, and no one wants to even talk about doing nothing. It's a worthless story, the problem of not having a conflict or something to build up to.

>>26901692
What are they doing?

I wonder where all those pups are coming from. Surely Mamizou stalking and kidnapping men all the time has nothing to do with it.

>>26901280
Can't wait until those two sneak into the bar at night/closing time because they want a drink so badly, only to find Mamizou there.

>>26902028
you've hit the nail on the head far better than I could manage, thank you
I remember when this manga was first announced and the first translations we could come up with for the title involved 'drinking and sobering', which got me excited because I thought it might be about suika losing the gourd or something fun
instead it's just nothing happening chapter after chapter because it's not like the status quo will change in the end anyway, so there's not even stakes to go with the 'oh no miyoi might get found out' thing

>>26901630
Shame /jp/ opinion doesn't matter

>>26902028
Who gives a shit about Satori or some newhu who hasn't even show her face yet? You could literally remove the culprit and have Marisa just be poisoning everyone with mushrooms. There's nothing to anticipate about Satori's manga except that they'll talk about how dangerous the ghost is to youkai once again and nothing will happen except some other Touhou falls asleep for a while.

>>26902456
>There's nothing to anticipate about Satori's manga
They're meeting new characters in each arc, going in the order of game releases so far. So at least we can anticipate seeing plenty of characters, and Alice maybe getting some actual lines.

In Lotus Eaters, all we can really expect is several more volumes of the fucking tanuki.

>>26902456
Like I said, it is its own brand of meandering. It's not good, even for Touhou standards.
But it's a conflict.
Something to get invested in.
To get you to come back month after month.
Kind of important for a serialized monthly comic.
Even in your example, you have to fundamentally alter the entire premise just to shittalk it. Having a point to your story isn't all that hard, which is why its so fucking painful to read Lotus Eaters and realize that nothing can or will be done, realize its a waste of time and ink.

Hell, it has more fluffy SoL bullshit than Lotus Eaters, with stuff like Chen making Rin cry and making up off-screen or the Scarlet Devil Manor shenanigans. It is actually using characters in cute and interesting ways, pairings we wouldn't typically see. So even if the main story is shit, there's at least SOMETHING worth reading it for.

Lotus Eaters not only doesn't cross the exceedingly low bar of fundamental writing, its actively limboing under it. It would be impressive, were it not for the fact that it is utterly wasting the talent of the artist at hand. There are really good spreads in it, imagine if it was actually used for things that matter and not drunk dream sequences...

durrr nothing's happening in the mangas waaaah

>>26902028
I'm one of the anons you responded to and I have to admit you make a lot of salient points.

In the back of most reader's minds on any touhou story I think they know the status quo isn't going to change and to be honest I dont think it should but so far this story has zero stakes besides getting scared in a dream.

Hopefully they put even less emphasis on the plot and just turn it into Cheers but with random youkai each chapter plus Moiya as a bartender, that'd be a fun read I think. Then end the plot in the last few chapters just so its resolved.

>>26901692
I've noticed there seems to be a divide on this kind of thing. I've seen people say they have trouble keeping up with all the different characters in the series and prefer a smaller cast, then there's people who'd much rather have the less used characters in the spotlight. Some youkai are definitely way more 'main character' for the series than others.

>>26902364
Anyone else think she looks way better with this longer hair look?

>>26902028
>The entire manga is precipiced on the fact that everyone there is obsessed with getting shitfaced drunk
Is it bad that I enjoy that just fine?

>nothing but a bar for characters that really don't need to hang out together, want to hang out together, nor would benefit whatsoever from hanging out together.
The three of them are notable youkai that likes to walk in the village more than other youkai, and they get along with each other already. I'm not expecting anything significant but it might be a build up to something.

>>26902862
it's fine if you enjoy that, but it hasn't even happened for half the manga's existence now. The last party was in chapter 5, and everything since has been this 'oh no miyoi is gonna get exposed/miyoi is doing something bad' plot

>>26881122
It's been barely over a year since the last mainline game and there's two concurrent manga spinoffs. For most series this would be considered pretty active.

>>26902638
>They're meeting new characters in each arc
>They're actually just rehashing EoSD and PCB characters once again
That Tanuki is better than everyone who has shown up in Satori's manga and Suika even more so.

>>26902695
>Chen making Rin cry and making up off-screen or the Scarlet Devil Manor shenanigans
Nah these has just as much impact as Marisa cooking or Aya having steel liver and be the only one to escape the dream sequence. That's just how most SoL is, nothing more than pointing character's pointless detail and activity as common as playing poker with your friends on Friday night.

>>26902819
I'm one of the people that would want the status quo to change in a dramatic fashion, but I know I am in the minority. I wouldn't even care as much if ZUN wasn't such a fucking TEASE about it. We are talking about the same man that rebooted his entire series six years after its debut, he's not exactly entirely adversed to flipping the damn table on everyone.

Lotus Eaters wants to build up suspense, it puts a lot of time and effort into making Miyoi panic and worry about getting exposed, but it does nothing in explaining why or making us care about the consequences of such. So it does understand that there needs to be something to get us reading, but doesn't want to earn our investment. It's like tying a carrot on a stick, except you didn't even bother to buy the carrot. Only the promise of the carrot and maybe even the string gets us reading, even if he is better off just making it a gag manga, being honest. You don't need to lie to your viewers to earn their readership, it is not a healthy way of maintaining a base. Especially for Touhou, which does everything in its power to not move the status quo, even harder than The Simpsons.

But even then, the status quo has already changed by virtue of introducing Miyoi. The debut of a new person fundamentally shifts said quo. And I don't think ZUN really understands that, why that would be an issue. Else, making a brand new character with pre-established relationships and a mysterious powerset and a semi-unique crisis of pissing off the local enforcer just to tease the reader and say that none of that matters is...honestly disgusting and ZUN really needs to stop that. If he wants to tease or whatever, he has 20+ years worth of characters, he does not need any more dedicated to wasting our damn time.

But again, I'm the minority with these opinions. I'm the fool that expected that after how many mangas or so of the above happening, shit would actually change for the better, not stagnant and get WORSE.

>>26902862
>Is it bad that I enjoy that just fine?
Not particularly, no, but most of them don't even bother to get drunk anymore anyway, so...

>The three of them are notable youkai that likes to walk in the village more than other youkai, and they get along with each other already. I'm not expecting anything significant but it might be a build up to something.
The entire manga has been all build up already. And let's be honest, Mamizou and Aya already had enough build-up, an entire previous manga's worth. They REALLY don't need any more, especially since it went nowhere last time.

ZUN has made me hate tanuki and tengu girls, and I didn't even thought that was possible.

>>26902695
>Something to get invested in.
>To get you to come back month after month.
Not really. I enjoy this it's cute and funny. Satori manga is ugly and boring. I don't see what's there to get invested in. A ghost that's not actually going to cause any real damage? Might as well get invested in the idea that Reimu is going to go raid Miyoi's speakeasy.

>>26903281
>but it does nothing in explaining why or making us care about the consequences of such
Explain what Satori manga has done to make anyone care about what happens to China, Patchy, Yuyuwho, or lonely loser Alice.

>>26903250
It's not that they have any particular impact.
It that's it involved characters interacting. In fact, those things you brought up would have MORE impact, given that they push the """plot""" forward, which is the antithesis of SoL bullshit.

So, again, more SOL bullshit in Satori than Lotus Eaters and that's not a good thing for either series, to be blunt.

>>26903293
>>26903395
Please note that these aren't compliments to CDS. It's the BARE MINIMUM of effort required to pump out a serialized story. I bring it up as comparison points because they both are running simultaneously, not because CDS excels at storytelling. Again, it is not a good manga. But that just means Lotus Eaters should be curbstomping it, not wallowing in its bad writing with it, especially since its supposed to be PAID FOR.

But to actually answer your questions, yeah, I would like to get invested in the possible-but-not-happening-raid more than ghost that does nothing, but Lotus Eaters fails to do so. CDS establishes that said ghost is a major threat, one that forces the anemic recluse Satori out from the underground, a character previously established to avoid people as they chased her underground in the first place. I'm invested because Satori is invested. If the ghost really is as big as a threat as she says it is, then the characters I do like are in danger. I can't say I want Satori to do nothing, as the stakes have been set and things could go very wrong should she just sit around.

It's still not good because, again, the ghost does nothing and no one is actually in danger (why would a ghost possess a ghost, are you kidding me...), ZUN is just being a cocktease again, but the entire premise actually forces characters who normally wouldn't interact to do so, which is the bare minimum of what a Touhou manga should do. That's the point of conflict, to create interesting scenarios, to see how characters think and do things to resolve it. It's fucking mental how Lotus Eaters just refuses to have conflict and still expects us to keep reading it.

ZUN always use print works just to put some little detail about the characters and setting. The manga is not an exception. It doesn't matter how ZUN handle the plot or premise, people would just enjoy reading 2hus doing something whether it's meaningful or not.
This is the series where people get excited over Mystia selling food and Meiling getting slapped in the face. ZUN probably know this as well and I doubt there's a huge demand that he need to write a plot beyond 2hus drinking in parties, so he just write whatever and people'd still make fanart of the characters, specific random interaction or meme panel.
Just don't take Touhou too seriously. If ZUN just happen to write something interesting because the alchohol the just hit something right in his brain it's just a bonus.

>>26904367
Reimu, Marisa, Mamizou, Aya, Reimu, Marisa, Mamizou, Aya...

I’d be completely fine with just adding small details, if ZUN would just use some other characters. As it is, it’s just FS 2.0 except more boring in every way.

Oh and mark my words, the next major addition to this fantastic cast will probably be Nitori.

>>26904791
mark these words: ur a faget

>>26892791
I like cute SoL shenanigans. The fairy mangas are my favorite ones. My favorite thing in Touhou is different characters interacting. I don't want something that actually disrupts the overall status quo, and I think people who want like a shonen Touhou or some dramatic shift in the setting (that already shifted once when the Moriyas showed up and again when the bhuddists and taoists did) are completely misguided. Touhou has never been that and it never will, you picked the wrong series to cry about nothing happening. LE being a lot of SoL is not why Lotus Eaters is boring to me. Honestly, if LE was just a bunch of bar stories about various characters and ditched the tension around Miyoi in favor of more SoL character interactions I'd enjoy it a lot more.

People liked WaHH despite its slow pace because there was a problem to solve every chapter. Reimu or Sanae were doing something silly to solve it while Kasen crabbed at Reimu, and there was a different guest character almost every chapter. Reimu being written as a retard was frustrating but it was a bit funny. It took forever to get to the point on Kasen, and Kasen being an oni had literally no relevance to anything and nothing came of it, but it was a pretty good example of an episodic manga where theres something different each week. Like Reimu and Marisa competing to collect bamboo shoots while Mokou shows up, or Tenshis abhorrently shitty cooking and getting kicked out of Heaven, or Aunn being a Hakurei Shrine sleeper agent when the Moriya ropeway finished. It was always some dumb scheme like Reimu trying to make money or Unzan posing as a bhudda statue. It didn't affect Gensokyo overall, but it was something different each time which kept it fresh, and kept making use of the large cast in the setting. Other than the initial flower viewing chapters, LE just seems to be "Part 1 is a set up for someone looking at the bar and there is a threat of Miyoi being exposed" and "Part 2 the 'exposer' is recruited to the bar instead". Does anyone really think Komachi won't go drink with them once Mamizou tracks her down? And do people actually think this manga is funny? The Marisa cooking chapter was pretty funny but everything since then has been this uneasy tension.

LE is so far the same characters we see all the time (Aya, Mamizou, now Komachi) where WaHH had the advantage of having a lot of other people appear. Who's next after Komachi, Nitori? CDS might be hitting a lot of common fan characters like SDM/HGK/Yukari but we're getting people like Satori, Orin, speaking Chen, and even Flandre. It'd be Alice's first speaking role in years if Marisa can stop mindraping her for a second. Fairies manga usually follows the same characters but they do meet people, and the last run was all about Clownpiece learning how to be less of an edgy autist and make friends, featuring Okina and Hecatia.

There's no stakes in LE either; common sense dictates ZUN isnt just going to kill the main character of his manga, it was silly when people thought he'd do it to Kosuzu. Yes, I know thats kind of an unfair meta analysis but its true. Even if you think CDS is boring, its moved forward by them chasing Marisa. The main plot here is the "will Reimu beat the shit out of Miyoi??" but we've seen this before. The fact that this is retracing FS's steps here with whaletits I think is frustrating for people. Thinking Kosuzu would ever get in trouble for real was retarded, but you did get a sense the different factions like the tanuki and tengu were competing for her vag and she had to toe the line in the dark arts she was genuinely interested in. Miyoi is just getting pushed around by the powerful youkai here and making awful deals to exploit herself because she's scared of Reimu. She doesn't really have much agency of her own other than making bad agreements with the powerful youkai, and the youkai bar idea is the fault of Mamizou and Suika, not her. I already watched some helpless girl get run around in circles by the tanuki, I don't really care to see it again, and I actually usually like Mamizou. As for the other characters, Reimu is almost entirely a plot device here who just is "concerned". Other than the chapter where she couldn't cook, Marisa is pretty much doing nothing as well, just relaying rumors to Reimu.

But ultimately I could forgive all of this if Suika was around more. I know it sounds childish but when the manga started I was hoping we'd get to see more of her since other than some bits of WaHH she's been pretty absent. Miyoi is living in her gourd so she can see the outside world, but it feels like shes already getting pushed aside.

Ultimately I do enjoy both LE and CDS, I just wish there was more from LE.

>>26907349
Brutally and thoroughly correct.

FS is by far my favorite touhou manga but this feels like an imitation of it rather than a continuation.

I think another issue is its trying to be everything at once (plot, SOL, lore, mystery, etc) instead of dedicating itself to an angle. Like you said it set up living in the gourd to travel but is now just establishing sitting in a bar as the regular instead. Halfway into the second volume and its been almost nothing but set up since the manga began.

It’s a common issue I think for stories to put too much emphasis on tension over what is going to or might happen, and not enough tension just established by whats happening onscreen.

On the plus side, I do think the dream fight pages look really cool.

Hopefully we’re at or near the end of establishing stuff. It’s annoying the manga hasnt really started yet but theres a genuine chance it could get pretty good once it does.

Both Aya and Mamizou cause some intense autism, huh.
Now I want Sumireko to show up.

>>26911593
Honestly I'd be less averse to that
While Sumireko tends to show up in games and CoLA, she only really showed up in like two chapters of WaHH and GoU, which turned into more of a Seija book anyway. I would be more disappointed if Nitori showed up.

>>26911593
You know who else should definitely show up?

>>26911593
Sumireko is actually fine.

>>26881122
zun is married what did you expect?

>>26915718
He has been married for what, 7 years now?

>>26886953
Aya 2.0

>>26911593
I bet if Remi walked into that bar, no one would complain. In fact no one complained when it was just EoSD and PCB characters getting drunk and seeing apparitions at the start.

>>26919325
to be fair at least we had a sort of mystery about how miyoi was causing the hallucinations and if she was being actively malicious back then
now, there's not even the hallucination plot going on. I wouldn't care who walked into the bar as long as it doesn't require a chapter of 'OH NO THEY'RE GONNA OUT MIYOI' before they don't

The problem with the mangas are that they are just shit.
I wouldn't care that it's EoSD/PCB with satori, or that LE is FS/WaHH with whale-tits, if they were at least entertaining reads.
It's that the mangas are just fucking worthless, and it ends up making those facts seem fanservicey and as a crutch.
Like Zun needed to shit out mangas and was like people would eat it up if it has remi and patchy and alice and chen and oh is that mima!?!?, and here are all these characters from a more popular stories for LE becuase I can't think of anything else to do with miyoi except do the same "miyoi is going to be outed as a youkai!!" plot.
Dropped both of them and it seems like I haven't missed a thing.
When the fuck is the demo for 17.5 already, Kanako being playable is the only thing I give a shit about now.

>>26920847
This except for the fairy manga, those are all excelent

>>26920847
17.5 will be another shitty Tasofraud game where Kanako will be wasted just like thay shitty Sumireko game. This series is nothing but shit now and ZUN is a hack.

>>26880685
Komachi and Miyoi in the same manga now. They should just rename this Paizuri Adventures.

>>26921698
>shitty shitty shit hack
Why are you in /jp/ again

>>26921698
What was the last shit Tasofro game?

>>26921834
I demand Naizuri Adventures then.

>>26922929
Same as other anons. Jerking off to fanworks while shitting on the original works but at the same time demanding more.

Anyone fluent in moon know how the manga is being received in japland?

>>26923661
Hisoutensoku

>>26923693
It's called the fairy manga

>>26920847
I unironically liked FS

>>26924020
>>26924020
They just say it's cute. They don't make big fuss over "quality" like we are here in American burger-flipping forum.

>>26924580
As you should, it is the best touhou manga after all.

>>26924020
It's cute
The volume release is neat

>>26881122
just wait until reimu gets into smash :^)

>>26924490
But people love Soku

>>26926925
Chileans and secondaries aren't people

>>26925350
Man this manga feels like hentai, everytime I read a new chapter or see the characters I get a urge to fap

>>26926974
but

>>26926974
Man glad you're still here obsessing over some unrelated shitposter and bring them out like it means anything.

>>26927808
I'm not your boogeyman
Go play EoSDsecondaryshitgarbagesoku elsewhere, some of us aren't manchildren stuck in 2010

>>26928048
>t.Shooty

>>26928048
Sure, somehow /jp/ has a fuss over this particular country that's only an issue in particular thread on the other board and I never knew it in my 7 years in /jp/ until recent years when /v/ermins seems to have migrated en-masse.
It's not even Soku I'm concerned about. I don't know how many you are but bringing up whatever old drama from other board and trying to force this idea that everyone else unrelated somehow know and care is surely some kind of mental behaviour not everyone shares. Maybe this is just how typical /v/ermins act and /jp/ have been chuck full of them now.

I'm glad ZUN keep this underrated 2hu relevant and no one think she's second Aya or something.

There's nothing wrong with Lotus Eaters. It's almost entirely about humanizing everyone more. We've seen a lot of character growth with Reimu and Marisa, and we've been shown details we didn't know before that are really nice to see. I think it's really cute that Reimu bought another bedroll because Marisa sleeps over all the time. It's really nice to see what Reimu looks like in the morning with her hair down. It's cool to see that Reimu can be really apologetic and humble nowadays. Seeing Marisa be a drunken hobo was fun. Seeing Aya go from jackass reporter to being knocked the fuck down by Miyoi is great. It's fun seeing Aya beat down a bit.
The core is humanization. ZUN has always written his characters like people, and that really shines here. And besides, it's Touhou. It's supposed to be slow, you're supposed to just enjoy the characters, and everyone so far as been written well. We get to see sides of people we haven't before. Lotus Eaters is definitely in there with some of my favorite 2hu manga.

>>26929366
Good to know Komachi's Komachis are big

>>26929633
There's nothing here we haven't seen in FS other than whale tits.
And I don't know about you, but not once in my time reading FS I felt like "you know, this suzu drama is great and all but it really needs a whale girl with big honking honkers to really round it off"

>>26929850
It just doesn't matter to me. All I want is cute 2hu's doing cute 2hu things. I don't really want more than that, and the series hasn't really ever been more than that.

>>26927312
To be fair, that's how 2chan feels too

>>26929638
I for one prefer this Komachi.

>>26929366
>>26930319

>>26929633
true 2hu fan
>>26929850
faggot

>>26881122
Doomposters need to die.

>>26903281
>We are talking about the same man that rebooted his entire series six years after its debut, he's not exactly entirely adversed to flipping the damn table on everyone.
Idiot. This is disingenuous as fuck. He rebooted it because he made those games in college/while he was younger, it's not as if it was that radical considering.

>>26903281
>Lotus Eaters wants to build up suspense
I disagree. Only Miyoi and Reimu have ever taken it seriously, everyone else is flippant.

>>26904367
This is really it. The constant complaints scream of "wanting what the thing simply is not".

>>26930393
Komachi watching shotas masturbate

>>26929633
What a genuinely irritating post. Also, explain Mamizou then.

>>26939914
How is it irritating?

>>26907349
>And do people actually think this manga is funny?
Miyoi is cute and funny. I like when she was scared, I liked when she was being a fangirl, and I like how she's willing to be devious and a thief despite being a beneficial youkai. We don't even know her power yet since the memory thing seems to be tied to Suika's gourd's alcohol and them just not meeting her without being drunk at first.

>>26940823
So you liked her being Kosuzu?

From what I gather the people who like Satori manga more just like it because they like the characters in it more.

>>26927312
Satori manga is just a yuri fancomic and this is just eromanga bait.

>>26923693
There are 2 titties, Komachi and Miyoi
There are 2 flatties, Suika and Mamizou

I'm not sure Nitori will show up. Does she have a reason to be in the village or have to do with drinking? I guess she is water related but right now we have youkai who like to drink and may be associated with illusions or kidnapping people. I don't know where Komachi fits in though. There should be other youkai in the village who show up though. In the end, having a youkai bar and a youkai book shop in town is making it more friendly to them. Gradually the youkai are getting comfortable among the humans. Yukari is bound to hate this at some point and shitpost at everyone about how they should be attacking humans or something.

>>26942140
I like her more than Kosuzu because I didn't read most of Kozusu's manga and have no intention of starting from its beginning. Kozusu is cuter but Miyoi is more ballsy, and probably rightfully scared as both Reimu and Suika have legitimate reasons to punish her.

>>26942140
I like her more than Kosuzu because I didn't read most of Kosuzu's manga and have no intention of starting from its beginning. Kosuzu is cuter but Miyoi is more ballsy, and probably rightfully scared as both Reimu and Suika have legitimate reasons to punish her.

>>26942140
Kosuzu but it's cute youkai waitress

>>26907349
>There's no stakes in LE either; common sense dictates ZUN isnt just going to kill the main character of his manga, it was silly when people thought he'd do it to Kosuzu. Yes, I know thats kind of an unfair meta analysis but its true. Even if you think CDS is boring, its moved forward by them chasing Marisa. The main plot here is the "will Reimu beat the shit out of Miyoi??" but we've seen this before.
If FS was "is Kosuzu gonna die for ruining the balance of the village" (spoilers: no) this is a super scaled-down version of the same thing. Obviously Miyoi is not in any danger of getting offed, but she IS in danger of being thrown out of Geidontei if the constable busts their illicit drinking operation, and the place is basically home to her, so that would suck a lot.

Sure, maybe it's lame to watch Mamizou run circles around some random shitter for the second time but I like the lighter tone. Most of the shit that Kosuzu got into she contributed to, curiosity killed the cat and all that. Sometimes you just want to watch lovably useless protag get in over her head.

>>26881122
5 minutes with no new game? the franchise is doomed.

>>26943479
Geidontei isn't technically her home anymore now that she's able to be in the gourd and why do people keep describing this manga as Miyoi being run around? Miyoi's been the one manipulating everyone from the beginning. Suika and Mamizou just got back at her once and are mostly helping her out. She did agree in this chapter to have Mamizou help her. There's also still the question of why she was giving random non-protagonist oni alcohol and making them see stuff. There's no guarantee she isn't setting up things for youkai to fight as well. She might or might not be actually helpless, but she is not innocent and shown to be devious and a liar.

Also I want to rub my tanuki balls against Reimu's leg.

>>26951107
*encountering a huntsman*

>>26951107
What did mommyzou mean by this?

If they raised the stakes a little more this mnaga could be more interesting

>>26964646
Miyoi raises my stake

Miyoi pleases old man for money

>>26970749
I don't think the owner actually pays her. She probably just does it for food or something.

No CDS this month?

>>26983669
https://comic-walker.com/viewer/?tw=2&dlcl=ja&cid=KDCW_AM21201276010012_68

>>26983669
I hope not

>>26984018
translations when?

>>26984018
>8 pages

>>26985673
But the improved art

>>26985861
>Too many autists complained about the art so now we get even less content in a series that was already slow as hell
Incredible

>>26984018
This dude has been actively drawing for years, and yet despite the fact that other 2hu official artists could put out 20+ page content on a regular schedule, this guys response to needing to do his art actually professionally is to go even slower with only eight pages? What the fuck is this guys deal?

>>26986067
Were elevens complaining too?

I didnt realize LE wasnt well received. I like it, its got touhous getting drunk and relaxing. I think WaHH was better but Kasen is like my 4th favorite 2hu.

>>26988191
well received where? if you mean on /gayp/ it's just a whiny loud minority

>>26985673
First. I waited a month to get 10 pages.
Now I wait a month to get 8 pages. What the fuck is wrong with that woman.
You don't put any effort into the art for 4 chapters, you say fuck it and release a whole 10 pages, then you up the quality and do less work by putting out 8 pages.
I don't care how good you are, that's unacceptable.
The Miyoi manga is running circles around this thing at this point.

>>26988191
It's fine, there's just a guy who wants to start arguments between the two manga for whatever reason. Probably a wayward /vg/tard.

>>26994555
I find his argument to be tame. Please don't start dismissing anyone with different opinion as shitposter from other boards.

>>26994760
The argument is unnecessary.

>>26995527
literally every post in /jp/ is unnecessary

"in this episode, this whale gets flustered and frustrated over FUCKING NOTHING!"
gibe satorin manga already, kudasai

>>26997667
satorin manga is 8 (eight) pages of talking about the spirit with nothing happening again, don't get excited

>>26997667
Enjoy 8 pages of nothing

>>26997667
>>26993784
I'm waiting for the day that fucker drops a chapter that's 5 pages long.

New CDS "chapter" translated.

Spoiler: it's trash.

>>27000924
I would take 2 page chapter, where the last one is a full colored picture of mima

>>27002092
I hate Mima

Post yfw Mima shows up

But not in the Satori manga

>>26886953
People don't like that she shows up in a lot of things and basically took the character that people pretended Yukari had (which she never did): that of an active manipulator. While Yukari's done some stuff she's much more secretive than Mamizou, who has been very outgoing since she showed up. She's also not a particularly likable character, despite being a canonically rather good youkai, so people pile on the hate considering how often she's around.

>>27004827
ZUN created Yukari as an enigma and medium to picture the mechanism behind this vast otherworld known as Gensokyo, but on the other hand he still need someone who can show how more traditional youkai works including blending in and "interact" with humans.
Taking both original myth and Touhou lore into account, other iconic youkai like tengu and kappa both has specific occupation/environment while oni is too chaotic and direct (also feared), so tanuki like Mamizou is perfect because they are master disguise and natural prankster, and also isn't really bound by anything to stop them from meddling in any human affairs.
With that said, the only good reason to hate her is probably her personality, but even I don't see anything really wrong it other than subjective view.

>>26993784
Can't wait for her to do a Murata and just redraw previous chapters for the monthly quota

>>26924815
nice

>>27009132
Can't imagine how Touhou even managed to exist without including such an amazing character into every story before Mamizou was introduced in TD.

Oh wait, actually it was perfectly fine.

>>27010180
Yeah, Touhou NEVER reused characters before TD. Nope. Never happened. Total fiction.

>>27010180
ZUN wanted to make manga where human village is prominent so he had to introduce her.
It's not about whether it was fine or not. It's about where ZUN want to direct the series, unless you want him to stop making games at UFO or keep using moon plot for print works.

>>27010710
It reused good characters.

>>27009132
I don't like her because she is ugly.

>>27010981
The most reused characters like maid Dio and dorky half-ghost aren't even good characters, just bunch of cool/cliche tropes who fights and nothing else.

>>27010835
>ZUN wanted to make manga where human village is prominent so he had to introduce her.
No, he absolutely didn't have to introduce her? He could have used one of many existing characters OR he could have introduced an entirely different new character.

>>27011195
>one of many existing characters
Like who?

>he could have introduced an entirely different new character
Like what? another tanuki?

>>27011309
>Like who?
If he wanted a youkai, then pretty much any youkai character would do.

>Like what? another tanuki?
You have an unhealthy tanuki fixation.

>>27011195
>>27011309
>he could have introduced an entirely different new character.
You mean like Miyoi?

>>27011179
Apparently they have the advantage of being likeable characters, as opposed to a certain Number 79 in the popularity poll.

>>27011537
Imagine if LE was actually about Miyoi.

>>27011410
Nah, imagine building japanese lore without adding the most iconic youkai that perfectly with the direction ZUN wanted to go.
The better question is, why do you have against tanuki, anon?

>>27011537
Zashiki-warashi don't often leave their house. Miyoi herself isn't very active.

>>27011634
They have a nasty habit of taking over canon printworks.

>>27011546
Well 2hu characters can be popular through shallow aspects and something outside their character (fanworks, memes, etc), so you have to elaborate more to pinpoint their actual good points.

>>27011706
And why is it bad, especially if there's good reason?

>>27011740
Interesting characters also tend to attract attention from artists and fans, which leads to fanworks and memes.

On the other hand, Mamizou doesn't really appear in fanworks, because no one except ZUN likes her.

>>27011796
If there was a good reason, it would still be bad because she's hogging the screen time from the more interesting characters, which is pretty much anyone, including the actual main character.

>>26886953
I don't particularly dislike Mamizou in a vacuum, but after FS was the Mamizou and Aya show I wish different characters were being featured here. I agree that it makes sense that famous youkai like tengu/kappa/tanuki are important, but Touhou has such a large cast that seeing Mamizou punk another confused girl isn't that interesting for me.

>>27011887
The interesting things about them are mostly taken from cliche/tropes and mutated into various fan-intrepetations. Not many of them touched deeper part like backstory and bigger role in the series, which most popular characters don't even have.

>>27011929
C'mon, it's not like Mamizou has taken over as protag yet, and while I never said Mamizou is the top most interesting character in the series, like I said I can't see how the others would fit her role.

Previous chapter: Aya with wings
Current chapter: Mamizou
Next chapter should have Grimsokyo implications so we can have the full gigaautism trifecta.

>>27012452
Sumireko appears and nearly gets eaten by rumia because she doesn't have human village protections, but then she nearly breaks rumia's amulet and activates evil rumia
Reimu returns to the shrine covered in blood because she just went and murdered a shit ton of youkai for existing

>>27012452
Mamizou argument is fine. At least no one is adamant in calling the other secondary and other form of violent shitflinging along with roundabout way to defend a point.
Not every long argument is bad.

>>27011634
>Zashiki-warashi don't often leave their house. Miyoi herself isn't very active.
The whole point was that she made Suika's gourd her house so that she could go around without leaving her house.

>>27011585
It is. Mamizou has done 2 things. 2. Once kidnapping that guy and once now.

Mamizou just isn't fun. She's like cardboard.

Touhou shonen when?

>>27012704
Wouldn't that require her to be with Suika all the time while oni is probably prohibited from walking around the village too long?
Besides, I don't think Miyoi is smart enough to give any good exposition. She's also rather jumpy.

>>27013300
>Wouldn't that require her to be with Suika all the time
She seems to be able to steal/summon Suika's gourd and go wherever she wants with it. Remember Suika originally messed with her because she stole the gourd and alcohol and Miyoi's shown to always have it at her shop when she wants it, like to mess with Aya or to give a ton of it to Marisa for her stew.

Im ok with aya showing up all the time because i love her but i feel bad for the dudes with a never ever favorite. Like if they love minoriko its gotta suck knowing the odds are super small youll see her again.

>>27012373
Guess that's 78 characters that absolutely don't deserve to be liked more than Mamizou and who only got popular by accident.

I just want more obscure characters having a spotlight

>>27013300
>She's also rather jumpy.
Right. She just seems jumpy because she's always fucking around with powerful people and is scared she'll have to deal with repercussions. Literally a drug seller hoping her clients won't rat her out.

I wonder who this was by the way. She seems to do it intentionally. I wonder if it was Mamizou.

I also wonder why the comic started with a maple leaf motif but then dropped it.

>>27013935
some day
I like how in 17.5 you go to the ancient capital which requires crossing the bridge that parsee guards and she still doesn't show up

>>27013984
Honestly, if the lack of exposition of other character is the issue, I bet you if someone else replaced Mamizou other people would still complain because it's not their waifu instead.

>>27014435
Not nearly as much, because:
1) Mamizou already did this in FS, repetition is boring
2) Mamizou isn't a popular character, another character would be statistically likely to please more people.

>>27015181
>>27014435
Reminder that Alice is absurdly popular yet we never fucking see her and she mine as well just be permanently gone. Despite this, she still maintains huge popularity.

>>27015181
And the important question is who would fit to replace Mamizou to do her role.
The only one that comes to my mind is Kasen, but since Mamizou start pranking people here, would Kasen do the same or something else with similar effect?
Besides, she was already a WaHH protag too.

>>27015670
Instead of pranking people just have Kasen going around mentoring and helping everyone improve. That's a way better dynamic.

This manga needs some Sanae

>>27015458
She just died in Satori manga in the last few chapters

>>27011309
>>27015670
Sekibanki
Keine

>>27015670
>>27015991
Nue
Okina
Hatate

>>27016239
Those guys aren't in the town

>>27016360
Mamizou also wasn't in town until she was.

Nue and Okina can be anywhere they like.

If Aya can be in town, so can Hatate.

>>27016402
Mamizou has been shown to hang around the town a lot. There's no reason for those whohus to be there.

>>27016402
>>27016239
It wouldn't be farfetched to see Hecatia and Junko chilling,even clownpiece maybe. it wouldn't be that hard to disguise themselves. I don't think they'd really need to do anything.

>>27013300
>>27014304
I wonder if she's rather jumpy in bed

>>27016616
There's no reason for Mamizou to be there either.

>>27015823
Well that doesn't go well with how the manga goes at all. Might as well just ask ZUN to make different manga.

>>27016751
Would be pretty great, actually.

>>27016751
You know a manga that's just kasen going around tutoring and talking to a bunch of 2hus we haven't seen before would be great

>>27015991
>Sekibanki
Seems to be a pretty low-level youkai that doesn't have the same wisdom to provide exposition and less competent in pulling anything.
>Keine
I imagine she'd rather act as human as possible.

>>27016239
>Nue
She looks childish and probably reckless, but I think it's a possible choice.
>Okina
Too busy being a sage. We already see Yukari unwilling to do anything.
>Hatate
Too busy with journalist work. Even Aya who actually goes out doesn't do much outside her work.

>>27017250
there's a lot of easy concepts you could do to really use obscure characters
I liked the idea of akyuu holding some soft of agatha chris q related contest where she opens up submissions for mystery manga, and then various youkai team up to make their own manga based on who they think is the best writer/artist combo

>>27017250
>>27017544
So the problem is the core manga itself.
Well at least we also have a detective manga with Satorin as protag.

>>27017851
Except that one is worse
At least this manga doesn't make you wait for 8 fucking pages of "nothing happens"

I honestly can't tell if LE is supposed to be one serialized narrative or if we're just shifting really awkwardly into episodic stories

>>27020872
That’s because there’s no actual narrative.

>>27020872
There's no narrative, just take your monthly dose of whale tits

>>26986991
I fully believe the artist is banking everything on the fact that it will sell no matter how shitty the art or number of pages are since it says Touhou on the cover and the fact that ZUN never replaces manga artists unless they are dying of illness like the very first fairy artist.

>>27023992
I can't help but feel like ZUN is phoning it in. I know when I pick up an official Touhou manga I can expect generally decent to good writing with really comfortable characters, even if nothing happens like in Lotus Eaters, but this manga is written like shit. It doesn't seem like something ZUN would write.

>>27024734
Wait holy shit I'm in the wrong through I just finished up some stuff and thought I was still in the Detective Satori thread

>>27024734
ZUN is trying to expand outside of his comfort zone.
And it's not working out.

>>27025251
Touhou 17 felt outside of his comfort zone and it worked out really well. It was very well received. It makes me wonder if he thinks that Touhou has to evolve in some way to keep it going even though it really doesn't need that. If he survives another decade we might see a 'return to tradition' period.
Remember when 2hus looked like dolls with doll dresses and funny hats?

>>27025327
You mean when they were riding on the lolita fashion magical girl fad.

>>27029590
What fad is he riding on now?

>>27029766
BIG TATTASSS

>>27029766
Probably monstergirl/shipgirl where characters are just adorned with objects that represent whatever they are

>>27031091
Imagine if ZUN made a 2hu with a big ass

>>27031592
You mean Clownpiece?

>>27031592
He rarely ever draws butts, so for all I know they all have big asses.

>>27024734
>I can expect generally decent to good writing with really comfortable characters
This never happened

>>27035951
What are you talking about? Most of the mangas are very cozy.

>>27031592
You mean Narumi?

I wonder how much is ZUN aware of

>>27039311
How much of what?

>>27084520
I think he means the manga production.
One is going smoothly whereas the other is dragging their feet and releasing 5 pages a month.
ZUN directs the story, but he doesn't helicopter the artists.

>>27087748
>he doesn't helicopter the artists.
In before that guy talking about ZUN saying to make Okina more mature and that somehow having something to do with megatits.

>>27094627
It's true though

>>27084520
I mean how much is he aware of what the fans do, like, and are

>>27100444
He probably check Twitter once in a while but mostly get filled in by his friends like BeatMario and Tasofro staffs about memes and happenings, and there's also conventions where he interact with fans and glancing at their works.
I mean, BeatMario got ZUN to know about Cookie.

i think a lot of my problems with lotus eater stems from the fact there's barely any lore (or, at least new lore), unlike the other touhou manga

The Three Fairies greatly expanded on how fairies work and how they "contribute" to society (via nature shenanigans)
Silent Sinner in Blue expands on the lunarians, yukari, and their relationship with gensokyo
Wild and Horned Hermit focuses on creation lore and offers a lot on how gensokyo in general functions
Forbidden Scrollery discusses the relationship between humanity and yokai and showcases why humans are important for gensokyo to function
Hell, even Cheating Detective Satori looks like it's going to (eventually) get into the netherworld and hell and how they do shit

lotus eater is literally just forbidden scrollery 2.0. it offers barely any lore, and the lore it does offer is mostly just stuff we kind of already knew. even character interactions arent new since they're mostly just using the FS cast

>>27102070
Lotus Eaters answers a lot of questions we all always had about whale youkai and their massive fucking blubber tits and how whale paizuri is important.

>>27102070
If the fairy comics can get a bunch of sequels, why not FS?

>>27102504
I know where I'm blasting my ambergris

>>27111762
Do not vomit on Miyoi

>>27111518
it can, it's just not this

>>27101668
Im still learning about the entire 2hu lineage of happenings but, how much has the fans influenced memes and stuff on ZUN?

>>27133393
ZUN doesn't do that stuff. He may acknowledge it but he doesn't implement memes.

>>27133545
Except Meiling Taking naps all the time is canon now.

>>27135839
Soku came out 11 years ago man

>>27133393
They made ZUN revise Cirno's wings from being pointy fairy wings to detached icicles.

>>27133393
ZUN definitely write "Flandre" in official book despite the romaji said "Furandoru"

>>27141861
No one was retarded enough to think that her name was actually "Furandoru".

Also, he started giving midbosses names and profiles because of how popular Daiyousei and Koakuma is.

>>27141927
Her name could be Frandoll or Flandoll but instead ZUN goes with Flandre.

>>27133393
He retconned Kyouko into having a tail.
I'm still mad.

>>27011179
>dorky half-ghost aren't even good characters,
Guess who was numba 1 this year.

>>27003991
Yeah, well I hate you too.

>>27173911
That contest lost all credibility as soon as Koishit won.

>>27173911
Popular =/= good
If there's a celebrity who dressed as Yuuka and become TV sensation, I'm sure she'd take number 1 place.

>>26881122
It's been a week but this person has still not apologized to Miyoi for insulting her manga.

Do it Komachi.
Get rid of that damn tanuki.

>>27178074
He's an instigator. He doesn't have an actual argument.

>>27178074
call me when he retracts, so I can insult her in his place.

>>27143876
Having a tail is cute

>>27219033

Hey what if instead of a human becoming a youkai, Miyoi tries to become a human

This new character looks cute, but she is still below Kasen.

>>27241391
yeah I'm not feeling it, even with the fuck huge blubbers

>>27231424
Katagiri's Kyouko is kyute

>>27241391
Kasen is a meh character
>>27242439
Miyoi is cute but probably shouldn't be as big as she is.

>>27247843
I like to think when ZUN was talking to the mangala, he said something like:
>So she's a whale
>So she should have big tiddies you know!

>>27258928
Who are you quoting.

>>27258928
She's not really a whale, though.

>>27259543
Watch the big reveal be that she really is a whale

>>27259955
she prefers being called The Wind Fish

fuck auemru

>>27242473
Verily so. Sadly most of her works aren't scanned.

>>27258959
I think he was quoting ZUN.

>>27291576
There are no public logs of anything he said.

>>27247843
What do you mean.
A good portion of the cast have cuttingboard tits. Miyoi is almost a complete opposite of Kasen in how they manage things.

>>27317230
Miyoi is childish so she should look more childish

>>27318101
Imagine if Miyoi was an oppai loli

>>27318101
Using your retarded logic, Okuu should be a flatchested loli with a magic wand.

>>27318275
Okuu is a flatchested loli with a magic rod...

>>27318196
That is actually how I view her, which is another reason I think she should be smaller.

>>27318196
I'd like her even less.
She'd be Kosuzer but with tits.
Both are panicky messes, both are girls that get into big messes with youkai, both are put into situations where youkai have the upper hand.

>>27346300
Miyoi hasn't gotten into any big messes with a youkai. They just asked to use her bar. If they out her, she just has to find a new home or will stay in Suika's jug.

am i the only one who gets headaches reading touhou manga?
i'm assuming it's because i'm not japanese lore aquainted

>>27352455
Translation.
That or you're getting to the phase where girls are a mental strain for you.
Consider taking it easy.

This artist is so weird. He draws lewd expressions and poses but he's not as willing to draw upskirts or underwear like Hirasaka.

>>27390268
>Hirasaka
>upskirts
I don't recall any.

>>27390713
It's because they all wear bloomers so you don't think of them as upskirts.

>>27391172
>>27390713

>>27390713

>>27390713
And a Marisa one as well. I'm surprise 2chan doesn't edit these into panties.

>>26903240
alice is a PC98 character

>>26881122
still waiting for suika go full godfather

>>26886953
too much raccoon dogo, not enough fox

>>26901315
komachi being super ooc

>>26899957
replace mamizou for suika bud

>>26902028
I think is kinda early to judge as a whole this manga yet but you have a point of this serialization still not having a point

>>26903240
Well, I guess Yuyuko is going to get up off of her ghost ass and walk all the way to Gensokyo and press her chest against Reimu's back as Youmu gives exposition for some dangerous new spirit that falls completely outside Reimu's profession.
Oh, oh, I guess someone's going to come all the way from former hell or underground and kidnap Nue, meaning biker granny will have to go beg Reimu to accompany her on the journey to get the 900 year old youkai back. Better yet, Let's get Eiki to crawl back to Gensokyo and ask Reimu to teleport herself to Hecatia and somehow navigate the oni and whatever else in the infinite spans of hell just to find one goddess. That in itself should be an entire manga.

>>26899957
>mamizou appears and says no
That is one of the most outlandish things I have read this month.

>>26907349
>Reimu being written as a retard was frustrating but it was a bit funny
still have issues of how reimu is handled in the mangas SANS fairies ones, I mean, even discounting pc-98 she has 15+ years of experience but is still portrayed as the new dumb miko who is semi incompetent due being new in the work

>>27397885
Well her personality is supposed to be a lazy person who never trains or cares about anything about being a miko and just gets by on raw talent and power.

>>27016239
>nue
It would be good ZUN write more about her being friends with mamizou, heck helping the later in the village would do wonders for both

>>27397885
15+ years of smacking apperently doesn't make you youkai expert, just smack expert

>>27397447
Ran a shit

>>27402471
>Ran a shit
You a shit

>>27402471
>Ran a shit
THIS IS A NO-TANUKI THREAD
TANUKI ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD

Quite disappointing how Mamizou and Ran haven't interacted yet, given how ubiquitous Mamizou can get. Guess Ran doesn't appear much, outside of being abused.

>>26899957
wow I can't believe ZUN himself is posting on /jp/

Man at this point 2hu have more manga than most proper manga
And its a game!

>>27448609
That's the problem. Ran doesn't have the neccessary role or personality to be involved. She probably just parrots and do whatever Yukari say when Yukari herself can be present when she feel like it.