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Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>24985377
Cirno with a ponytail

>>24985891
Nice to see Reimu's children and dog having a nice afternoon

Reimu's having second thoughts about killing a youkai?

imagine whole episode of your manga is single conversation about things that you already know

>>24985377
"Aya has no wings" phonies BTFO once more

Aya’s instaloss to alcohol!

>>24985906
Shame Clownposse doesn't seem to exist anymore in this manga

>>24985915
Very interesting page. Reimu is a nice girl after all.

>>24986495
Lies. She's just putting it off cause she's getting some good food and drink out of it. If it were any other youkai that doesn't even remotely benefit her, then Miyoi would have been vaporized long ago.

>>24986495
she gonna act completely different in next episode

>>24985915
What a phony, Sanae wouldn't hesitate to split Miyoi's demonic skull in half.

>>24986018
That just means this artist loves their fanon shit, like Moe did. There are still more official artists who drew her without wings (ZUN included) than those who drew her with.

I don't give a shit, where's detective satori

>>24988231
Go fuck yourself mate.

>>24988231
Can't wait to see who sleeps for an entire chapter next!

Short, like Marisa. Though not as filling.
Previous chapters have 10 more pages usually so I wonder what happened.

>>24986018
Can't we all just agree Aya's wing is a complete non-issue when it comes to her character design, hence ZUN letting people do whatever when it comes to that.

>>24990407
no

>>24986712
>any other youkai that doesn't even remotely benefit her
You could've just said "male".

>>24991270
Reimu doesn't kill Unzan and even used him in a scam for money.

>>24991346
Unzan is Ichrin's stand so it doesn't count.

>>24991387
More like Ichirin is his hitbox.
She didn't kill her turtle daddy either. Or Rinnosuke.

>>24988231
break this week

>>24985718
Also applies to Detective Satori.

You know, we always say its fucking nothing even when something did happen, but this chapter really was the epitome of fucking nothing
Reimu said she was going to tell Aya, and then Reimu told Aya. What the fuck was ZUN thinking?

>>24991669
They have a month to draw 1 single chapter with barely any background in it and yet them still take some more break. Unbelievable.

Anti-wing cultists completely BRFO.

Anti-wing cultists completely BTFO.

>>24992147
Love it or hate it, but the previous chapter of Chireikiden at least move the plot somewhat. This one barely did anything.

>>24994044
>>24992288
so no chapter of Chireikiden and a much shorter than normal chapter of Suichouka
what's going on here? Is ZUN busy with something that means he didn't have time to write more plot?

>>24996124
Next thing you’ll be asking when that awful side game will finally be released.

Very interesting.

>>24996124
ZUN doesnt relly care about touhou

>>24987470
>>24990407
>fanon
NO. "Aya has wings and can hide them" is the truth. "Aya has no wings at all" is just false.

>>24985915

then why she kill the fortune teller

>>24996124
CDS is on break to revamp the volume release

>>24999032
Not female.

>>24998738
>"Aya has wings and can hide them" is the truth.
[citation needed]

>>25000324
It's pretty in line with the ability to shapeshift that tengu have in actual folklore. Its the best way to explain the inconsistency that ZUN is no doubt aware of. He just doesn't care because it's clearly not an issue, so I don't know why anti wing fags care so much. If it was wrong ZUN would have had his artist cease drawing her with them over a decade ago.

>>25000482
*artists

>>25000482
"muh folklore" doesn't mean shit when ZUN clearly picks and chooses which aspects apply to his representations of the creatures in question. Satori doesn't at all look like a satori, for just one instance.
"muh stop caring about it u meanie :(((((" is also not worth shit considering pro-wing shitters are the ones that brought up this conversation. >>24986018

Faggot.

>>25001350
At this point, your position is basically "I know better than ZUN what should and shouldn't be in canon printworks".

>>25000482
you can add that momiji randomly does and doesn't have ears in the few manga and print work appearances she's had. Her original ZUN sprite doesn't look like it has ears either, so she can either make them appear and disappear at will or the artists don't give a shit

>>25001420
Since Aya both has and doesn't have wings literally in this same chapter, it's safe to say that tengu can hide their youkai attributes whenever they feel like it.

Momiji, to be fair, is a less well established case than Aya.

>>25001350
Appearance and abilities are different cases. The whole deal with the appearance of Touhou youkai is explained in WaHH. When it comes to the abilities of youkai it's safe to assume they have all of the same capabilities of their folklore counterparts because to my knowledge we have never seen an instance of a Touhou youkai not being able to perform the same feats as their actual folklore counterparts.
Again though it literally doesn't matter as ZUN himself clearly doesn't care. The man literally writes his characters and world to be as flexable as possible.

Reimu is sad.
How are you gonna cheer her up, /jp/?

You lot just can't not do this, can you. One would think something like this is considered "to each their own" like whether Reimu is wearing bloomers or panties, or whether Patche is chubby or skinny under her pajamas.

>>24997775
DFC, Delicious Flat Crow.
BBW, Big Boobied Whale

>>25001712
>One would think something like this is considered "to each their own"
Aya objectively is shown with wings here, so no. In this case, one side is flat out wrong.

Also, literally nothing else happened in this chapter, so what do you want us to discuss instead?

>>24999032
Talked too much shit about her being a youkai shrine maiden.

>>25001858
>what do you want us to discuss instead?
Discuss how Suika and Mamizou's little trick with the human guy is going to get the innocent Miyoi killed.

Discuss whether Miyoi can really manipulate memories on purpose, why Aya remembers her after seeing her once, and if she really has a reason to brainwash Aya or will just invite her to the after hours club.

>>25001903
Spoiler: it's not going to get her killed.

>>25001903
Or is Miyoi actually a yokai at all? I'm getting some vibes like that from this chapter

>>25001405
I'm not the one putting wings where there are none, as per ZUN's official artwork for the character in PoFV, MoF and DS.

>>25001617
There's nothing to indicate your arbitrary distinction is a thing within the setting. If there's anyone saying they know better than ZUN, it's you.

>>25001858
Aya is objectively shown without wings in the art of the series' creator and there are no mentions of wings in any of the creator-penned texts about the tengu.

>>25001437
>it's safe to say that [fanon]
No.

>>25002850
>there are no mentions of wings in any of the creator-penned texts about the tengu.

>>25001903
>why Aya remembers her after seeing her once
Tengu can hold their booze better than most, maybe that affects Miyoi's nasty tricks.

ZUN sure has a talent for picking exciting themes for his manga. One is about people sleeping, and the other is about no one remembering the main character.

>>25002956
Nice try but that book is about bullshit.

And even if one were to take it at face value, there also remains the non-alternative fact that that same ZUN hasn't actually drawn them with wings at any point, thus meaning the phrase is being used symbolically rather than literally.

>>25003186
Moving the goalposts, but I don't even care.

>>25003186
reread the afterword
the implication is that what you see did happen, so there was indeed a tengu gravure photoshoot with the title 'when the tengu rest their wings'
why would that be the title if they did not have wings?

>>25003235
Ah yes, the good ol' "feathers = wings" argument.
They have feathers, but do you see wings? I don't see wings. Where wings? Wings nowhere. Why do you instantly assume that just because they have feathers, they should have wings to match? Especially when it doesn't match the portrayal of the very person that created these characters.

Whine about goalposts all you like, the cold hard fact remains that ZUN never gave them wings.

>>25003322
>And even if one were to take it at face value, there also remains the non-alternative fact that that same ZUN hasn't actually drawn them with wings at any point, thus meaning the phrase is being used symbolically rather than literally.
Retard.

>>25003368
>of the very person
*by the very person

>>25003368
Just out of curiousity, where in your demented mind do they have feathers, if they don't have wings?

>>25003078
The fairy manga was about... nothing? Killing time with flower viewings until ZUN had to write the big conclusion?

>>25003409
How should I know? Do I look like ZUN to you?
>demented mind
lmao, remind me who's seeing invisible wings everywhere.

>>25003435
Well no, you look like a person who imagines that trolling /jp/ with fake stupidity is very fun and clever. I was just hoping for an interesting answer, you could have said they have feathered armpits or something, and Aya just decided to casually mention them to Eirin because she gets off on this sort of hting.

>>25003462
Sorry I do not like to indulge in /d/-tier fetishes and /v/-tier headcanons. I'm just calling it how I see it, and I don't see wings in any ZUNart that depicts tengu.

>>25002536
If she's not, she's a hell of a wizard who can manipulate people's minds and shrink down and live inside a gourd of infinite sake.

God I wanna fuck Aya so hard

Sure is summer in here

>>25003409
feather pubes

>>25005082
hehe us 2020 oldfags amirite?

>>25003420
The fairy manga was amazing all the way through. It was about the fairies trying to not die every day and eventually becoming Reimu's kids. GFW is also one of the best Touhou games.

>>25005265
>The fairy manga was amazing all the way through.

>>25005282
It was. What do you like? That bookstore manga? You like to whine about Reimu killing the fortune teller and not Kosuzu? I'd rather watch Reimu get blown up by 100 snowmen.

>>25005375
I'd rather read doujins than 100 pages of cancer fairies doing nothing interesting.

>>25005405
What is interesting? Lecturing Reimu?

>>25005434

>>25005446
Of course it's some Ayafaggot.

>>25005462
Go back

>>25005462
ZUN is also an ayafaggot, get dunked

>>25005630
ZUN is a Mamizoufag, though.

>>25001858
>what do you want us to discuss instead?
Nothing that sounds like it came straight out of /a/ or /v/ that's for sure. Because that's all that I'm seeing here for the last few hours.

>>25003420
The fairy mangas are about Gensokyo. They're unironically the most lore heavy manga.

>>25006634
Nothing interesting was ever revealed in fairy manga.

>>24991542
Both of them have benefited her though.

>>25012822
>Both of them have benefited her though.
That was the point. It was replying to >>24991270

>>25006634
>The fairy mangas are about Gensokyo. They're unironically the most lore heavy manga.

>>25005282
>>25022452
Wow look, it's another cross-boarder faggot that can only communicate in meme reaction images. What a shock that they have shit taste.

>>25030736
You need to go back

>>25030736
Hello newfag, what brings you to /jp/?

Reimu is a genocider

And facist

>25030736 >>25003420 >>25003435
retard

Reimu can be anything you want her to be

>>25007218
Smattering of things revealed in the fairies mangas:
-Reimu's supernatural luck and ability to be in tune with nature
-the nature of the border itself, and how it interacts with the outside world
-several supernatural phenomena
-the nature of Shiki Eiki, and how she became a yama
-the nature of death in regards to fairies
-the idea that fairies can potentially become youkai is introduced in a fairies property
-new moon/sun ceremony and the importance this has on humans and youkai
-How Suika's infinite gourd actually works, also the introduction of the sake bug
-fairies' abilities as very similar to that of gods
-fairies' significance to life itself

But you know

you could also just admit you haven't fucking read it, christ

>>25035289
>-Reimu's supernatural luck and ability to be in tune with nature
We already knew this
>-the nature of the border itself, and how it interacts with the outside world
We already knew this
>-several supernatural phenomena
Like?
>-the nature of Shiki Eiki
Not really
>-the nature of death in regards to fairies
Nobody cared about this and we already had an idea of how it worked
>-the idea that fairies can potentially become youkai is introduced in a fairies property
Humans can become youkai, we already knew this so it's not surprising or a new concept
>-new moon/sun ceremony and the importance this has on humans and youkai
Not important
>-How Suika's infinite gourd actually works, also the introduction of the sake bug
I can give this but it's still pretty irrelevant considering that it gets explained again
>-fairies' abilities as very similar to that of gods
They're as similiar as youkai
>-fairies' significance to life itself
Even non-fairy fags knew this

You gotta up your game if you want people to waste their time reading this garbage manga.
The only good use for fairies is being doujin whores that you can jack off to.

Aya's wings are very pretty (and canon!)

You have to go (and back!)

>>24999225
>waits a month
>no new Detective Satori chapter

Gather the pitchforks and light those torches. We're going to start a riot, boys.

>>25046191
>garbage manga
It was the only canon manga without any serious flaws. If you don't enjoy the SoL and light world building then you just have shit taste.

>>25053244
>It was the only canon manga without any serious flaws.

>>25053419
What is it with fairy-haters always being actual tourists?

>>25053552
Dunno, why don't you tell us?

>>24985915
Reimu's prejudice is just a facade, she loves youkai.

>>25005446
goddamn tengu

>>24985915
Because the whale didn't mess with members of her harem like FT did. Reimu is holding out on having a drunken "extermination" session with the whale and doesn't want to do her actual job if she could help it.

>>24985915
"Extermination" =/= killing. I don't know how many times this needs to be explained.

>>25102641
so? no need for drama, just smack her stupid whale hat, dumb miko.

>>25003562
I know you’re trolling and all but lmao imagine actually going up to ZUN and telling him his official works are fanon and that Aya doesn’t have wings. This is some Annie Wilkes type headcanon idiocy.

>>25118621
He eventually made Cirno's wings from normal but icy looking fairy wings into detached ice points. He's at least somewhat accepting of fanon.

Imagine actually going up to ZUN and telling him his official works are fanon and that Aya doesn’t have wings and ZUN is drunk enough at the time to believe him.

>>25118621
ZUN eventually made Cirno's wings from normal, but icy looking fairy wings into detached ice points. He's at least somewhat accepting of fanon. Imagine that guy actually going up to ZUN and telling him his official works are fanon and that Aya doesn’t have wings and ZUN is drunk enough at the time to believe him.

>>25118621
Explain to me how I am the one trolling when you're ignoring what's right in front of you for some /v/-tier "gotcha" post.

My argument is literally, LITERALLY, that ZUN's own work comes first. Why in the FUCK would I tell him his official works are fanon when I'm the one arguing AGAINST fanon retards IGNORING said official works? The official works BY ZUN, by the way.

God, I fucking hate /v/.

Nice ribbon Reimu

>>25130531
where does Reimu get the money for these outfits?

>>25130631
Marisa pickpockets villagers and then puts the money in Reimu's donation box.

>>25130631
Canonically Rinnosuke makes them for her.

Miyoi literally did nothing wrong. No one really got hurt, and she's even helping by working for the pub. There's not even a good reason to beat her up with danmaku.

Her only crimes are living in the village (and it's not like she's the only one) and occasionally messing with the memory of some drunk people, which is not that much worse than Kogasa scaring people.

So yeah, technically Reimu SHOULD remove her from the village but it would feel wrong to do so.

Also, everyone seems to hate that chapter but I think that the art is amazing and I love it even if it's short without much happening.

>>25131851
Why should Reimu remove a type of youkai that's usually beneficial to humans?

I WANT A NEW FAIRY MANGA, DUDES.
t. Not a fairycon

>>24988231
Investigating the flavor of my precum

>>25133859
Only Suika knows she's a zashiki-warashi as she told her, and she still messes with humans so it's still expected of Reimu to do something about it since it's her job.

>>25134881
No, she definitely explained the situation to Reimu first. https://mangadex.org/chapter/789681/1

>>25128031
I would argue that his WORD supersede his work, because otherwise Aunn wouldn't have a tail, for example.

That said my stance has always been who cares, because really, who cares.

>>25135582
Oh yeah forgot about that but my point still stands, she's supposed to exterminate any youkai causing problems (especially in the village) even though said youkai didn't cause that much damage.

>>25128031
And ZUN's official works have her with wings and even written in the text. But I know you'll pull some mental gymnastics to headcanon your own narrative.

>>25153942
>And ZUN's official works have her with wings
And ZUN's official art drawn by ZUN, colored by ZUN, created by ZUN's hands on ZUN's tablet in ZUN's house for use in a ZUN game programmed by ZUN in ZUN's copy of Visual Studio and with music by ZUN from ZUN's midi keyboard bought with ZUN's money he got from publishing ZUN's games in ZUN's stand in Comiket, don't.
>and even written in the text.
No. We've gone over this.

>>25156446
Yeah, I guess Suika, Kasen, Tenshi etc just don’t exist because “hurr durr only ZUN art matters”. lmao this is severe retardation. Imagine telling ZUN his officially sanctioned works don’t matter, only some autistic fanboys’s headcanon of “ONLT ZUNART MATER HURR”.

>>25144227
What Reimu is supposed to do and what she does do are always different things.

>>25157715
Where did Suika, Kasen and Tenshi come from, anon? Who was the character designer for them?

Imagine telling ZUN his own art he drew after CREATING THE CHARACTERS HIMSELF doesn't matter, only some autistic fanboy's headcanon of "MUH WINGS HURR"

>>25156446
>And ZUN's official art drawn by ZUN, colored by ZUN, created by ZUN's hands on ZUN's tablet in ZUN's house for use in a ZUN game programmed by ZUN in ZUN's copy of Visual Studio and with music by ZUN from ZUN's midi keyboard bought with ZUN's money he got from publishing ZUN's games in ZUN's stand in Comiket, don't.

They’re not mutually exclusive. If ZUN explicitly says that she doesn’t have wings or makes a plot point where Aya couldn’t do something that she’d be able to do with wings then that would override everything else but as it is, by default since nothing in these official drawings actually contradicts ZUN then they’re canon. Future official art of any franchise are still canon even if the original artist didn’t draw them.

>No. We’ve gone over this.

Citation needed that it’s symbolically other than because you said so.

>>25144227
Last time I checked Miyoi wasn't causing any trouble.

>>25158514

Where’s the ZUN art of them then? Because by your braindead logic, only ZUN art matters. It doesn’t matter what “fan artists” draw. There’s no actual ZUN art of them so that must mean they don’t exist. Moron.

Who’s the character designer for them? The same designer who officially approved Aya with wings, who could’ve told them to put it in to begin with. You got proof that this wasn’t ZUN’s design?
Nope.

Winged crow slut

>>25158584
She's running a bar without a license.

>>25158536
>If ZUN explicitly says that she doesn’t have wings
That's not how it works. The default state is "she doesn't have wings" because she doesn't have wings. The anomaly would be putting wings on her, that's what would need confirmation because that's what would be different from what's already established, retard.
>since nothing in these official drawings actually contradicts ZUN
They have wings where ZUN put none, clown.

>>25158740
So if you don't see it then it doesn't exist? That's hilarious, because I don't see any wings in ZUN's Aya or Hatate art but apparently, according to fanon retards from /v/, Aya and Hatate do have wings. Anything else you want to be a hypocrite about?

Just because the source is not available to us doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And here we have to a case where the source DOES exist, but you want to pretend it doesn't. So which is it?

the real question here is whether or not Aunn is a dog

>>25159249
I mean, it’s clearly pointless, and I don’t know why others keep trying to interact with you, but this chapter has Aya both with and without wings, which means it’s doesn’t contradict ZUN’s art, since Aya can hide them at will.

>>25159249

Uh... lmao that’s the point? Are you that much of an autistic braindead retard that you aren’t self aware enough to realize that YOU’RE the hypocrite because I’m pointing out how stupid your “ZUN doesn’t draw it therefore it doesn’t exist” logic is? By your logic none of the fighting game/manga characters exist. Obviously they do, because any normal non-autistic fanboy doesn’t have the weird psychotic mental hang-up that officially sanctioned works aren’t canon because another artist was officially sanctioned to draw their ideas.

And the source obviously shows that she has wings and can conceal them, retard.

Also, this guy is actually from /vg/ and he trolled like this before on other subjects. Also he will deny this, because he always does.

>>25159511
>which means it’s doesn’t contradict ZUN’s art, since Aya can hide them at will.
What in ZUN's art indicates that Aya has wings and can hide them at will?

>>25159528
>“ZUN doesn’t draw it therefore it doesn’t exist”
Holy fucking strawman.

>>25159712
What in ZUN’s art indicates that Kokoro wears a skirt?

>>25159712

Where in ZUN’s art does Kasen and Suika exist?

That’s literally your argument so nice try at an argument from fallacy. Literally your only argument is that ZUN hasn’t drawn her with wings despite all the officially sanctioned works pointing that she does. Your argument is literally only “ZUN didn’t draw it therefore it doesn’t exist”

>>25159249
>That's not how it works. The default state is "she doesn't have wings" because she doesn't have wings. The anomaly would be putting wings on her, that's what would need confirmation because that's what would be different from what's already established, retard.

Everything in an official work being canon unless it contradicts otherwise is exactly how it works to everyone who isn’t a self-important narcissist. She’s clearly shown to have wings in this manga, in the last manga, and many other printed works, and in the text. These are all official ZUN approved. Who are you to say that your headcanon overrides that? Since those works are official, Aya being having wings but generally not showing them is the default canon and you have to prove that it contradicts anything else which it doesn’t.

>They have wings where ZUN put none, clown.

All the works show that she can show them and hide them at will. This doesn’t contradict anything. All it does is show that she normally doesn’t like showing her wings. I mean, you might as well just say everything in the mangas that aren’t shown in the games are non-canon then. You honestly probably think that too so stop beating around the bush and just say so.

>>25159656

Yeah really seems that way. This guy genuinely seems like he has severe mental issues regardless if he’s just trolling or being serious.

>>25159656
I visited the 2hu general on /vg/ once years ago and I remember someone once bragged about trolling /jp/ and /v/
Imagine being on pedestal on such shitty circlejerk-fest holy shit

>>25159984
its a terrible place

>>25159984
/vg/ is full of people like that, the winning move is to ignore them instead of satisfying their autism.

I actually don’t go on V. Most of the stuff there is already discussed on casual sites or eventually shown to them so I don’t see the need to.

>>25159849
>Everything in an official work being canon unless it contradicts otherwise is exactly how it works to everyone who isn’t a self-important narcissist.
Yes, it is. And what do you know, Harukawa and Mizutaki's winged tengu contradicts the lack of wings in tengu artwork by ZUN.

The only headcanon here is the idea that Aya "has wings but can hide them". Where in the games is this mentioned? Where in any ZUN art is this implied? Where in any ZUN text is this mentioned? If your fanon garbage is so official then why is it restricted to only a couple artists? If your fanon garbage is so official then why do so many artists ignore it? If your fanon garbage is so official then why hasn't ZUN ever tengu with wings?

>>25159798
>>25159802
You have to go back.

>>25160284
Take your mess retard

>>25160284
>Yes, it is. And what do you know, Harukawa and Mizutaki's winged tengu contradicts the lack of wings in tengu artwork by ZUN.
>The only headcanon here is the idea that Aya "has wings but can hide them". Where in the games is this mentioned? Where in any ZUN art is this implied? Where in any ZUN text is this mentioned? If your fanon garbage is so official then why is it restricted to only a couple artists? If your fanon garbage is so official then why do so many artists ignore it? If your fanon garbage is so official then why hasn't ZUN ever tengu with wings?

Irrelevant. It’s all official art. Where did ZUN say only his art mattered? Where does it say that ZUN’s Aya art makes it impossible for her to have wings, rather than her simply hiding it? I mean, ok there’s a tiny bit of headcanon to make that she’s hiding it because they don’t explicitly say it but that’s the logical conclusion and it’s far less of a headcanon than denying it completely. At this point you’re just being delusional. Might as well say none of the mangas or fighting games not drawn by ZUN is canon.

>>25160481
>Irrelevant.
If it wasn't relevant you wouldn't be trying to hard to downplay it.

>Where does it say that ZUN’s Aya art makes it impossible for her to have wings
the part where shE DOESN'T HAVE WINGS TO HIDE

According to your logic, drawing Momiji with wolf ears wasn't a mistake and was a totally canon super mega hidden ability ZUN totes intended where Momiji can spontaneously grow and un-grow wolf ears. Do you not realize how fucking stupid you sound? Do you REALLY not realize how fucking stupid you sound?

>>25160685
>If it wasn't relevant you wouldn't be trying to hard to downplay it.
It really feels like I’m arguing with a seriously special needs kid. Although I’m pretty much positive you genuinely have serious mental issues. I’m referring to ZUN’s art not having wings being irrelevant. That’s not a contradiction. That’s like saying Miko not having a cape in any ZUN art means the cape in the fighting games is a contradiction.
Or that Koishi having the ability to turn her eye veins into a phone. Or Mamizou’s tanuki monsters. Or Doremy being able to transform into mechanical sheeps.
The official works are a continuation of ZUN’s barebone games and adding new things doesn’t contradict anything unless there’s a later entry that says the new things didn’t actually exist. This is common sense.

And the key word is MISTAKE. Do you not realize how stupid YOU sound? You know there’s a reason why everyone is clowning on you right? It’s pretty obvious to everyone who has their mental faculties intact that Aya’s wings are approved by ZUN and meant to be canon and that you’re ironically or not acting like a flat earth theorist psycho with your insane mental gymnastics and troll logic.

>>25160839
B-b-but where in ZUN’s art does it imply that?!

>>25160839
We see Reimu and Marisa with different clothes often enough so that argument does not work. Not that it would have worked anyway, given you're comparing body features to motherfucking articles of clothing.

>and adding new things doesn’t contradict anything unless there’s a later entry that says the new things didn’t actually exist.
HSiFS shows Aya without wings again, contradicting Harukawa's shit. Your shit was already confirmed not to exist.

>Aya’s wings are approved by ZUN and meant to be canon
Then why doesn't she have any? HSiFS certainly gave him the chance to add them.

>>25161034
>We see Reimu and Marisa with different clothes often enough so that argument does not work. Not that it would have worked anyway, given you're comparing body features to motherfucking articles of clothing.

And we never see them changing so it’d still be “headcanon” to conclude that they’re changing, the same amount it takes to conclude that tengu, being the powerful magical youkai that they are can somehow conceal their wings. Meanwhile “the original artist not having drawn it yet means I’ll just completely deny official canon outright showing they have wings” is just pure narcissistic fanboy denial. You know what? Since HSiFS was released on Steam I’ll pretend it doesn’t fit the “authentic doujin only” feel or whatever that the old games had so by my arbitrary definition HSiFS isn’t canon. That’s how stupid you sound.
And of course you’re going to ignore things like Koishi being able to use her heart as shapeshifting tentacles, Mamizou’s tanuki transformations, Doremy’s dream transformations, or pretty much everything in the fighting games that are never implied in ZUN’s art or the main games.

>HSiFS shows Aya without wings again, contradicting Harukawa's shit. Your shit was already confirmed not to exist.

No contradiction. She can hide them. As this is established by an official work that is the default and you have to prove the later work directly contradicts that. “Where does ZUN’s art imply she can conceal her wings” doesn’t apply here. The actual question here is “where does ZUN imply she CAN’T conceal her wings”. Which there obviously isn’t anything indicating that.

>Then why doesn't she have any? HSiFS certainly gave him the chance to add them.

Because she’s concealing them. It even makes a lot of sense here since she’s going out interviewing strangers she’s not familiar with, while she’s only ever shown her wings to people who she’s very familiar with.

Also Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red described her as having black wings and that’s not “bullshit”’ or “symbolic”.

>>25161034
>We see Reimu and Marisa with different clothes often enough so that argument does not work. Not that it would have worked anyway, given you're comparing body features to motherfucking articles of clothing.

Says the clownface that claims having feathers doesn’t mean they have wings. Well guess what? Having clothes doesn’t mean they change. All clothes that aren’t drawn by ZUN (none other than PC-98 which actually has a lot of controversy by non-autists over whether it’s canon or not) means it’s fanon
#retardlogic

>>25161364
Yes changing clothes is the same thing as growing wings.

I'm not going to address all this but I want to know if, in the middle of writing this giant wall of headcanon just to support your favorite headcanon, did it occur to you you're writing fanfics to hold other fanfics as canon.

>>25161497
>clownface
>#retardlogic
You have to go back.

>>25161514
Drink bleach

>>25159432
the realer question

>>25161514
This is such a complete non-sequiter that I’ll take it that you have no argument left and that you concede.

>>25161610
You're literally arguing that people changing clothes is a headcanon. Get out of here.

While you’ve been arguing that official work is canon. That having feathers don’t mean they have wings. That the text outright stating they hahhhve wings is “symbolic” out of nothing but your ass. That HSiFS not showing wings is objective evidence that she has no wings rather than the possibility that she’s just concealing them like the officials works have shown she does.
Saying changing clothes is headcanon is actually far less insane than the amount of bullshit and insane troll logic you’ve been spewing. But hey, I’ve finally got you to basically admit that you think the mangas as a whole are fanfics.

Wingtards were a mistake I just wanna read about the funny bartender for gods sake

Or maybe she just doesn't have wings.

See how much shorter and less dependant on a trillion other headcanons that is? I don't have to make up new attributes for the tengu, I don't have to make assumptions about Aya's personality and/or intentions, nope. Just what the creator of the character, the creator of the games and the creator of the franchise is showing you in his art.

I shudder to think what someone who thinks changing clothes is an imaginary concept smells like.

I hate being alive in the same time as you.

>>25161916
For that to happen you have to deny official canon outright showing you she has wings which is a far bigger case of arbitrary headcanoning compared to the manga showing she can conceal her wings and logically concluding she’s doing it in ZUN’s art too. The creator of the character is saying that she has wings by having his officially sanctioned artist draw her with wings. This is common sense. Like I said, imagine you going up and telling ZUN your arbitrary headcanon that only his drawings matter and that his officially sanctioned works that he wrote are fanfic. There’s no going around it. You’re a mental nutcase.

>>25162039
Meanwhile, you're denying official ZUN-made art outright showing you she doesn't have wings at all. Again, accepting your line of reasoning also implies accepting that Momiji has an uber secret ability to generate wolf ears. The creator of the character is saying that she doesn't have wings by drawing her without wings each and every single time he has drawn said character. Imagine you going up and telling ZUN his portrayal of his own goddamn character is incorrect because muh wings from muh harukawa. You're a retard.

>>25162100
Nope. Because ZUN’s art doesn’t contradict her ability to conceal her wings that she showed at all. This is like saying Miko, Koishi, Mamizou, Doremy’s powers in the fighting games because they didn’t have those powers in their ZUN art and haven’t been shown using them after. And do you realize how stupid and mentally damaged you are by comparing an obvious intentional portrayal of her wings and a mistake? This is such piss poor trolling after I’ve already called it out that I’m just going to take this as you knowing you’re wrong and conceding and just want to continue doubling down being a retard because you have nothing else in your life.
I mean, you’ve already dodged most of my other definitive evidence like the bohemian archive outright stating she has black wings.
So yeah, just kill yourself. Oxygen is wasted going through your head since there’s no brain taking it.

>>25162352
>her ability to conceal her wings that she showed
CITATION
FUCKING
NEEDED

>And do you realize how stupid and mentally damaged you are by comparing an obvious intentional portrayal of her wings and a mistake?
This coming from the guy saying random mentioned-nowhere wings are totally okay but thinking people change their clothes is headcanon.

Yes, do get out of here. Nobody wants you here.

What's miyoi's previous form look like before she became a freeloader in suika's gourd?

>>25162430
>CITATION
>FUCKING
>NEEDED

She shows it in the fucking manga dipshit. She has wings and then they’re gone. This is logic 101. You are basically denying clothes changing.

>This coming from the guy saying random mentioned-nowhere wings are totally okay but thinking people change their clothes is headcanon. Yes, do get out of here. Nobody wants you here.

lol you’re not fooling anyone. ZUN has made it blatantly clear the wings are canon and everyone knows you’re the moron here. It appears you’ve been doing this for ages as the resident village idiot. Go commit not living.

>>25162565
>She shows it in the fucking manga dipshit.
Ah, I see. That means, of course, Momiji has the ability to grow wolf ears on command, of course! OF COURSE!

>ZUN has made it blatantly clear the wings are canon
Then why has he never drawn them?
Then why has he never drawn them?
Then why has he never drawn them?
By the way, how many times are you going to say you'll spare us your secondary autism and leave but not actually do either?

>>25162462
I wonder if all zashiki-warashi in Touhou are like this too, like if they move from house to house they get a different dress design. It's a cute detail.

>>25162640
>Ah, I see. That means, of course, Momiji has the ability to grow wolf ears on command, of course! OF COURSE!

I guess since that ZUN can never draw the gohei consistently that means nothing ZUN makes is canon either! Retard.

>Then why has he never drawn them?
Then why has he never drawn them?
Then why has he never drawn them?
By the way, how many times are you going to say you'll spare us your secondary autism and leave but not actually do either?

This has already been answered. Also I’ve never said I’ll leave. I said you should leave. The earth, preferably. I think I see the problem. You actually are psychotic and don’t see reality for what it actually is, rather you only see what you want to see. I’m also an LNBer but that’s not relevant to this discussion lol. You’re pretty clearly severely mentally ill.

>>25162790
Except we know thanks to CoLA that she has multiple gohei. You suck at this.
Even if that wasn't the case, are you really going to compare owning multiple gohei to having invisible wing powers that aren't mentioned anywhere? What, did comparing it to clothes get too high-brow for you?

>You actually are psychotic and don’t see reality for what it actually is, rather you only see what you want to see.
That explains why I keep seeing invisible wings everywhere oh wait lol

>>/jp/thread/S19556372#p19613545

Is this clown the same dude from this thread? He’s been at it for over 2 years holy shit. This is peak patheticness.

>>25162942
>Except we know thanks to CoLA that she has multiple gohei. You suck at this.
>Even if that wasn't the case, are you really going to compare owning multiple gohei to having invisible wing powers that aren't mentioned anywhere? What, did comparing it to clothes get too high-brow for you?

Where does it say she’s using different gohei? Ah, headcanon I see. Guess I shouldn’t really expect anything more from a psychotic.

>That explains why I keep seeing invisible wings everywhere oh wait lol

I mean, yeah, the fact that you can’t see her canonical wings and that her capacity to conceal them doesn’t contradict ZUN’s art at all fits your established psychosis.

>>25163034
>Where does it say she’s using different gohei? Ah, headcanon I see.
Do you have fun being retarded on purpose?
>the fact that you can’t see her canonical wings
Which ones?

Why are you guys letting a known shitposter ruin this thread? How hard is it to ignore him?

>>25163276
Wings are serious business I'll tell what.

>>24985915
>>25144227
Well Reimu isn't considering killing Miyoi, extermination doesn't mean that. But there's a few reasons why she's hesitant to act.

The first is that although it's a strong coincidence that these disappearances are happening at Miyoi's bar (and Reimu's parties keep getting fucked up by Miyoi's alcohol), there's no concrete proof of her being behind the disappearing people. It seems like common sense that Miyoi is behind it, which Marisa says. Considering that Reimu knows her powers and usually shoots first and asks questions later you'd think she would act. And she does, she even showed up at the bar and was pulling out the gohei while asking Miyoi if she intended to take over the bar, and Miyoi had to explain she wasn't. Reimu's intuition tends to be pretty strong, so she might subconsciously know it isn't actually Miyoi and feel uneasy about getting rid of heri. As readers we know that it's actually Mamizou's fault, she took advantage of protecting the drunk man to concoct a scheme where she and Suika basically blackmail Miyoi into making Geidontei a youkai bar, but none of the other characters know this. (Aya is likely about to find out. Suika and Mamizou can hold alcohol as well as a tengu, and are probably going to corner her and make it so she can't expose their bar in the Bunbunmaru).

The second is that there's no evidence anyone's actually in danger outside of disappearing for a while. They just kind of vanish for a bit but think they're living a normal life and come back unharmed, and the people that disappear just keep going back to the bar anyway. Again, if there's no proof Miyoi is the one doing it despite how obvious it seems, and no one's actually suffering, it's probably hard to act. She beat Yukari up for the spiriting away but there was more panic from the villagers about that. This is a grey area in Touhou, in FS Reimu had to move in to "exterminate" the fox youkai from the school even though they were just there to learn, because the parents were scared of the youkai leaving messages in the school. But other youkai like Sekibanki just live in the village and want a quiet life, or even directly interact with the villagers like Reisen (in disguise) or Kogasa (very blatantly). Miyoi's bar is causing some rumors, but it hasn't gotten too serious outside of Mamizou taking the old man to her rape cave for a while.

The final reason is that Miyoi just really wants to live peacefully, she doesn't want to cause trouble. Compared to someone like Mamizou, she's not even a remote threat to scheme things. She practically begs Reimu to take mercy on her because she hasn't done anything and has always lived in the bar. It's mostly that Reimu is having a hard time justifying kicking this zashiki warashi out of her home when her biggest crime was trying to see the world and meet new people. And I guess getting Reimu and her friends drunk to watch them fight hallucinations because it's fun. But ultimately her biggest mistake is getting mixed up with Suika and now Mamizou. Mamizou trapped her with the hostage and now she can't go to Reimu for help because of the implication.

Overall Reimu's hesitation here is a bit of a departure from "Reimu beats up a youkai that wanted to read books" but it makes sense from her perspective to take pity on Miyoi. Really the character that needs her ass kicked is Mamizou, between Kosuzu and Miyoi this is the second naive girl she's led around in her schemes.

>>25159656
why can't the /vg/ faggots just stay on their own board? its bad enough we had to deal with the "touhou should be a shonen" reimu hater faggot but this is one of the worst and most drawn out wing autism arguments ive ever seen

they dont want to talk touhou with us and we don't want to talk about it with them or /v/. Seems like them staying there with their shitposters would be a win win.

>>25162462
>>25162748
Here's a real question: Why isn't Miyoi a loli? The defining trait of the type of youkai she claims to be is being a child. Although wikipedia claims there were ones that were around 15ish, does Miyoi even look like a teen?

>>25165487
She look pretty young, around 17-18 looking

>>25163485
>It's mostly that Reimu is having a hard time justifying kicking this zashiki warashi out of her home when her biggest crime was trying to see the world and meet new people. And I guess getting Reimu and her friends drunk to watch them fight hallucinations because it's fun
>naive girl she's led around in her schemes.
Miyoi:
-has stolen, not just jumped into, but stolen Suika's gourd and alcohol
-has schemed to make people drunk, knowing the effects
-has directly lied to Reimu about not being at her party
-has taken advantage of the fact that people don't easily remember her, regardless of whether she's doing it on purpose
-might even be lying about her type of youkai
She is neither naive, nor innocent, even if she's not bad.

>>25165762
Yeah but that's well into adulthood, not the child type youkai she claims to be. She doesn't even seem short enough to be an oppai loli.

>>25165487
She has that whale theming going on, that's probably the main reason.

>>25166367
What's a whale have to do with not looking like a loli?

>>25165825
Given her more specific looking clothes, it could be possible she's specifically a ZW of Geidontei, thus she appears what would be appropriate for a "poster girl".
Course not that we know much about zashiki-warashi in the first place, but it's a thought.

>>25166448
Because whales are fat, see.

>>25163248
>Do you have fun being retarded on purpose?

This is the question everyone asks you. Kill yourself.

>Which ones?

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:PMiSS_aya.jpg

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/File:BAiJRAya.jpg

https://mangadex.org/chapter/42961/1

https://is2.4chan.org/jp/1595882066179.png

https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Bohemian_Archive_in_Japanese_Red/Eirin

Shown throughout a multitude of official works with multiple different artists and official text. This is canon to everyone who isn’t a psychotic narcissistic fanboy.
“ThErE’s nO DrAwINg FrOM ZOn” “FeAthERs DoNT meAN wINGs”
Blatant straw grasping and shitpost logic
Just kill yourself seriously. No one likes you, you’re a distributor of false information and a waste of space. Go meet your beloved fake wingless Aya quicker.

>>25165805
>>25163485
I just remembered one more thing: She's kind of a stalker too, knowing about the characters and their abilities and specifically wanting to see them show off.

>>25168107
You should have seen him argue about Tenshi’s sword on /vg/ years ago. Also, he will deny this.

>>25168264
Yep, he’s one of those infantile fanboys who cherrypicks one arbitrary thing (in this case, only ZUN-drawn works) and only accepts that into their headcanon.

>>25168107
>“ThErE’s nO DrAwINg FrOM ZOn”
Yes.
>“FeAthERs DoNT meAN wINGs”
Yes.

Do you think abusing the caps lock key makes you correct? Can you go back to /v/ already?

>>25176695
yeah, we get it. You’re an autistic narcissist who’s better off dead. That’s been well established.

>>25177110
Good to see you concede.

>>25177377
It’s good of you to continue to show examples of your strong psychosis and mental problems. If only you’d do both everyone else and yourself a favor and just kill yourself.

>>25176695
lol it’s pretty clearly you definitively lost. Not sure why people like you get off to looking like a moronic blowhard by stubbornly doubling down like a flat earther even though you yourself know that everyone knows you have no logical arguments and are being completely irrational and arbitrary. Like what, does it help boost your fragile e-peen to keep doubling down even though you know it makes you look like an obnoxious idiot to everyone? I’d think just admitting you’re wrong would be a better win because you’d prove people wrong that you’re just some typical internet neanderthal and it would make you look better. But I guess you just are a typical internet Neanderthal

>>25177614
>Refusing to back down makes them feel like the alpha chud they desperately want to be even though all it does is make them look like the pathetic loser they really are.

Who would win, Miyoi or Yachie?

>>25177614
>lol it’s pretty clearly you definitively lost.
Why? Because you said so? Do you really think that TaLkInG lIkE tHiS constitutes a proper counter-argument?

You're hella mad, btw.

>>25179320
More of a counter-argument than “yes because I said so”.

>>25178586
Yachie with her enchanted semen

>>25179944
*because zun said so

Let's not forget ZUN drew her without wings for her first game appearance. Let's not forget ZUN drew her without wings for her post-Harukawa appearance. Let's not forget ZUN drew her without wings literally every single time he drew her.

>>25180246
Go kill yourself retard.

>>25180246
I was just about to point out how your headcanon is so psychotic that your retarded narcissistic self actually thinks you know ZUN’s mindset or maybe you’re so mental you actually think you’re ZUN himself. There’s a million potential reasons and possibilities that he hasn’t drawn her with wings yet you act like it’s 100% because he’s trying to contradict Hurakawa. No, moron, that’s your own retarded headcanon. Why don’t you explain then why Aya’s latest official portrayal has her with wings? This is his official print work. Why is he letting “fanartists” ruin his vision? Why doesn’t he tell them “no wings. She doesn’t actually have them?” And then think about whether your given reason would actually be something ZUN is thinking and not just something a diseased fanboy mind made up.

>>25180549
>yet you act like it’s 100% because he’s trying to contradict Hurakawa
Holy headcanon, Batman.

You're the only one making any assumptions, dude. My argument starts and ends with "ZUN doesn't draw Aya with wings, henceforth Aya does not have wings"
Your "argument" starts with "b-b-but muh mysterious reasons b-b-but muh special hide powers mentioned nowhere in canon b-b-but i know aya's personality better than zun b-b-but" and I wish I could tell where it ends.

>>25180195
Been spending too much time on futaba's Touhou shitposting board or is that some actual myth thing?

why does it ALWAYS go like this?

>>25181624
Secondaries who are seriously obsessed. Read the thread over and look at who started it.

>>25181337
And where is it stated that official work that has multiple official sanctioned artists that only the original artist’s work matters? Notice how you’re incapable of answering why ZUN lets his hired artists draw her wings if it supposedly isn’t the Aya he wants. And of course you ignore the text that he wrote himself that says they have wings and feathers.. Kill yourself and your retarded headcanon.

>>25181822
He fucking makes the fucking games.

>>25182176
And you know how all character designs work? By having multiple people collaborate especially when the producer and writers who brainstorms the ideas are shit drawers themselves. Unless you only ever consume media that’s a one-man project, which you 100% do not, then every media you’ve experienced have had multiple people editing the creator’s designs with a lot of characters and elements that were first thought up by other people, not the sole original producer. Although, in this case ZUN is literally the one who oversees everything, the one who has them draw directly what he’s written. Again, you have no answers to why he doesn’t tell them to not draw the wings, especially in this chapter where they’re so prominent, if it goes against his vision like you pretend it does. This is even dumber than claiming Murata’s one punch man is fanon. This is literally just a single wing and you’re so insane to be unable to handle it. You are genuinely a psychotic narcissist.

>>25168107
Never ever do that Twitter cancer here again you faggot

>>25182487
>And you know how all character designs work? By having multiple people collaborate especially when the producer and writers who brainstorms the ideas are shit drawers themselves. Unless you only ever consume media that’s a one-man project, which you 100% do not, then every media you’ve experienced have had multiple people editing the creator’s designs with a lot of characters and elements that were first thought up by other people, not the sole original producer.
>Although, in this case ZUN is literally the one who oversees everything
Can you stop writing several lines of text that amount to nothing, then?

Let's switch gears: Tell me your entire headcanon about Momiji's super ability to grow wolf ears. They did appear in SoPM, so it MUST be canon!

i dont whos the bigger faggot, tbe obvious shitposter whos been at this for years or the retards who bite every single time. at this point in starting to wonder if its the same person

If this nigga gonna be acting like Okina’s wheelchair is non-canon lol

>>25182794
I actually don’t care about Momiji. According to your ZUN art only logic she wouldn’t even exist. But a one-time mistake in a single book and every future book not having it in the art or the text is much different than something intentionally and prominently shown in multiple sources including the most recent sources and also referenced in the text. This really shouldn’t have to be said. Although I looked up SoPM’s Momiji and she doesn’t have wolf ears.

>>25182794
>They did appear in SoPM
So it turns out the no-wing dude doesn't even read printworks. I don't know why anyone even take him seriously.
Although I don't know why anyone take him seriously to begin with to persistently "discuss" when his whole argument hinges on ZUNart in the first place.

But of course people will ignore this and go back to screaming like they belong in /v/.

>>25183049
>According to your ZUN art only logic she wouldn’t even exist.
You dumb fucking cretin, you absolute fucking buffoon, you bumbling animal. Fuck you.

>>25183380
You're right, it was actually from OSP. At least I can admit when I'm wrong, instead of building a giant pillar of headcanon to support invisible wings.

>>25183482
All you're admitting to is that you only read the wiki really, which is likely why you got the two mixed up.
That itself isn't wrong, mind you, but it is pretty impressive how far you can provoke people with just that.

>>25184208
I don't know how the hell you gather that when you're the one admitting you know the wiki enough to remember immediately how and where it fucks up.

>>25182879
Yeah, faggots always have to bring up Aya's wings everytime she appears in manga as if just to trigger this whole painful autism debacle over and over again. Then again yeah, they might be the person.
Imagine what drive a schizo has to render every single manga thread to almost unusable.

>>25184610
Anonymous imageboards we’re always vulnerable to this. A single sufficiently persistent mentally ill person can make an entire board unusable. This guy has been at this for at least two years, even if he thinks he’s trolling, he has serious issues.

>>25184954

>>25183482
>You dumb fucking cretin, you absolute fucking buffoon, you bumbling animal. Fuck you.

Just a sprite, no different than the insignificant midbosses of the PC-98 games or the 1st stage spirit midboss of TD (you probably don’t know or forgot those exist because you’re clearly a secondary faggot you accuse others of being) If I wanted to be an arbitrary narcissistic retard like you I could claim that midbosses with no dialogue or profile art don’t matter.

>You're right, it was actually from OSP. At least I can admit when I'm wrong, instead of building a giant pillar of headcanon to support invisible wings.

Nah, it’s just extra evidence (as if we didn’t already have enough) that you have no idea what you’re talking about. The wings are clearly visible in official artwork. She’s shown to be able to hide them. Showing her flying with them and then in the next panel having them concealed is pretty obvious that the writer is saying she can conceal them. Saying that’s headcanon is like saying Reimu changes gohei or Miko changing clothes is headcanon because we don’t see them doing it onscreen. Meanwhile, just denying official artwork’s art like a delusional flat earther is pure idiot secondary headcanon.

>>25189089
Do you argue with crazy homeless people on street corners are well?

tfw Anti-wing faggots making up any excuse for why Aya's wings don't exist lmao

fucking 4chan

>>25189089
Do you know what being "arbitrary" even means? Accepting the art draw by the person that created the series, creates the games and created the fucking character is not arbitrary, it's common sense. However, going "okay i'll accept it BUUUUUUT" /is/ arbitrary. And that's exactly what you're doing, not just in your retarded example (good job not knowing Momiji has been in not one but THREE of the games, /v/-kun!) but in accepting ZUN's art... except where it suits your headcanons.

The wings are not visible in any "official" artwork, just in licensed crap by literal doujin artists.
She's not given any ability to hide her wings in any ZUN art or ZUN text, as she doesn't have wings to hide in either.
Why is it "pretty obvious that the writer is saying she can conceal" wings when the same writer has never ever portrayed her with wings himself? Why does THAT not make it "pretty obvious that the writer is saying she doesn't have wings"?
Equating body features to pieces of clothing is still a false equivalence.

>Meanwhile, just denying official artwork’s art like a delusional flat earther is pure idiot secondary headcanon.
I agree my little secondary, you should really ought to stop pretending ZUN never drew Aya or Hatate. Or Momiji, for that matter.

>>25191808
Don't bother. Just assume "they" are actually one person chatting to himself, like the crazy old coot across the street.

>>25194913
>Do you know what being "arbitrary" even means? Accepting the art draw by the person that created the series, creates the games and created the fucking character is not arbitrary, it's common sense. However, going "okay i'll accept it BUUUUUUT" /is/ arbitrary.

Exactly, except replace “art draw” with “works created” Which is exactly what you’re doing. “Ok, I’ll accept ZUN’s works but only if they’re drawn by him!” is arbitrary.

>And that's exactly what you're doing, not just in your retarded example (good job not knowing Momiji has been in not one but THREE of the games, /v/-kun!) but in accepting ZUN's art... except where it suits your headcanons.

And none of them have artwork by ZUN. Why don’t you show me where the concept art of Momiji is? Since there isn’t even any concept art of Momiji by your logic that must means she doesn’t exist. And I perfectly accept ZUN’s art. Nothing in ZUN’s art indicates that she can’t be hiding her wings. That’s your retarded headcanon. Again, if ZUN’s vision is truly that she doesn’t have wings then why does he continue to the artists he hires for his official canon works to intentionally and prominently draw her with wings? That’s also ignoring the fact that he literally wrote that she has feathers and wings in his own text which you try to headcanon away by saying “it’s symbolic” which is something you pulled out of your ass and not in the actual canon.

>The wings are not visible in any "official" artwork, just in licensed crap by literal doujin artists.
She's not given any ability to hide her wings in any ZUN art or ZUN text, as she doesn't have wings to hide in either.
Equating body features to pieces of clothing is still a false equivalence.

They’re official canon stories written by ZUN himself with the artist personally hired and approved by ZUN. That’s as official artwork as it gets. Your logic is literally “nothing drawn by anybody other the original creator is canon” which is arbitrary narcissistic fanboy retard logic. By your logic, any Mario character or enemy not created by Miyamoto himself doesn’t exist even when Miyamoto is the main producer and director. By your logic, Pikachu and Bulbasaur don’t exist in the same canon because they’re created by different people. Or that future additions aren’t canon because different people worked on it even with the original artists still supervising them. You’re a fucking idiot. And nope, they’re not a false equivalence just because you say so. You just don’t like the hard truth that your logic is pure shit. And no, ZUN not drawing her with wings yet doesn’t mean he’s saying she doesn’t have wings. That’s your narcissistic headcanon with you being so psychotic that you actually think you know what ZUN is thinking. There are tons of reasons why he potentially hasn’t drawn them yet like the games he’s drawn her in not being the type of atmosphere she’d show her wings to. Yeah, that’s headcanon but so is your “he’s doing it to say she doesn’t actually have wings”. “She’s simply not showing her wings in this game” is far more logical and less insane than “he’s obviously doing it because he’s trying to contradict previous official works and say they were wrong!” If he wanted to do that, he could have her explicitly say she doesn’t have wings or you know... not have her be drawn with wings in this latest official print work that he’s personally overseeing.

>I agree my little secondary, you should really ought to stop pretending ZUN never drew Aya or Hatate. Or Momiji, for that matter.

Never said he didn’t draw Aya or Hatate so more of your psychosis showing. Let’s see those concept art of Momiji or any official artwork of her at all. And no, sprites aren’t official artwork.

>>25196196
>Exactly, except replace “art draw” with “works created”
"Accepting the works created by the person that created the series, creates the games and created the fucking character is not arbitrary."
What's your point? Even if you want to claim FS, CoLA, Suichouka, et al, are all "works created by ZUN" by virtue of him conceiving the idea and gathering the people to make it happen, that still leaves one big hole open.

ZUN did not draw the art for any of those.

>And none of them have artwork by ZUN.
Goddamn secondary, who do you think drew the Momiji midboss sprite? Aki Eda?
Can you look any more like a jester by this point?

Everything in ZUN's art indicates that she can't be hiding wings. She doesn't HAVE wings to hide. Again, if ZUN's vision is truly that she has wings then why does he continue to not draw them in his Aya art?
Why has ZUN drawn Mystia, Utsuho and Saki with wings? Because they have wings as part of their character design.
Why has ZUN drawn Reimu, Aya and Seija without wings (multiple times)? Because they don't have wings as part of their character design.

I don't care about your bandaid headcanons and assumptions. There's no explanation simpler and more consistent than "She doesn't have wings"

>By your logic, any Mario
>>>/v/

Why do people insist on arguing with wing autist or Reimuhater/moralfag? You're just talking to a brick wall who is just crossboarding to fuck with /jp/

>>25197271
Why haven't you killed yourself faggot?

>>25197271
Jesus Christ, go kill yourself already.

>>25197314
>You're just talking to a brick wall who is just crossboarding to fuck with /jp/
You can tell by how he always try to find any chance to call someone /v/ for extra salt, when the posters who throw that insult blindly have always been underage bandwagoners.

>>25197271
>>25197271
>>25197271
>"Accepting the works created by the person that created the series, creates the games and created the fucking character is not arbitrary."
>What's your point? Even if you want to claim FS, CoLA, Suichouka, et al, are all "works created by ZUN" by virtue of him conceiving the idea and gathering the people to make it happen, that still leaves one big hole open.
>ZUN did not draw the art for any of those.

So? Still canon, still official to everybody. This is your arbitrary headcanon. "Only the artwork of the creator is official regardless if it's literal a canon work being overseen and written by the creator himself" only exists in your arbitrary diseased fanboy mind.

>Goddamn secondary, who do you think drew the Momiji midboss sprite? Aki Eda?
Can you look any more like a jester by this point?

Sprites aren't artwork dipshit. Where's the concept art for them retard?

>Everything in ZUN's art indicates that she can't be hiding wings. She doesn't HAVE wings to hide. Again, if ZUN's vision is truly that she has wings then why does he continue to not draw them in his Aya art?
Why has ZUN drawn Mystia, Utsuho and Saki with wings? Because they have wings as part of their character design.
Why has ZUN drawn Reimu, Aya and Seija without wings (multiple times)? Because they don't have wings as part of their character design.
>
I don't care about your bandaid headcanons and assumptions. There's no explanation simpler and more consistent than "She doesn't have wings"

Nope, she clearly has wings in official works.
"Only artwork from the creator is official" is personal arbitrary standards by a braindead autist, you. Why hasn't ZUN drawn her with wings? Because she rarely shows them and she didn't want to show it there. Easy.

Now you explain why he has people prominently draw wings in multiple official works if he didn't want them. Explain why he continues to let people draw wings after HSiFS. She has wings in multiple canon works.
Imagine literally saying official canon doesn't exist is simpler and more consistent than saying tengu simply don't show their wings often. And again, with your retarded "ONLY ZUN ART EXISTS" logic then Momoji and all the other artwork-less midbosses don't exist. None of the fighting game characters exist. Miko doesn't have a cape, Okina doesn't have a wheelchair etc.

Although ZUN has literally written in his text that she has wings so yeah, her having wings is canon.

>>>>>>>/v/

As I expected, no argument since you know you're wrong. Glad to see you conceding.

>>25197722
>Seija without wings
She has one wing

>>25197722
>Now you explain why he has people prominently draw wings in multiple official works if he didn't want them. Explain why he continues to let people draw wings after HSiFS.
For the same reason he let Hirasaka have his "chubby fairy" phase: He doesn't want to overly control the way the artists present the world. ZUN didn't even tell him to tone it down for GFW, he used his art as-is. That does not automatically mean it's canon. ZUN took none of the fatty elements when he brought Cirno back for DDC and HSiFS, Cirno was as thin as she's always been in any non-GFW game. He COULD have made Cirno more pudgy to fit in with how the manga that he oversaw and wrote portrayed her, but he didn't. And want to know something funny? He didn't toss out Hirasaka's interpretation out entirely. Cirno was retconned to have the detached wings she's shown to have in the fairy manga. Why's that?

If everything from secondary material is automatic canon, then why were the fat fairies never portrayed or referenced by ZUN? Why has ZUN never embraced the tengu wing shit when he fully embraced the new design for Cirno's wings that Hirasaka made?

Why are you so mentally deficient? Stop pretending "this drawn art by ZUN does not count as art or drawn or ZUN's because Reisens" and go back to your Mario game.

>>25198209
Nice fanart, dipshit.

>>25198258
>fanart
This is official art, you stupid secondary retard

>>25198258
>For the same reason he let Hirasaka have his "chubby fairy" phase: He doesn't want to overly control the way the artists present the world. ZUN didn't even tell him to tone it down for GFW, he used his art as-is. That does not automatically mean it's canon. ZUN took none of the fatty elements when he brought Cirno back for DDC and HSiFS, Cirno was as thin as she's always been in any non-GFW game. He COULD have made Cirno more pudgy to fit in with how the manga that he oversaw and wrote portrayed her, but he didn't. And want to know something funny? He didn't toss out Hirasaka's interpretation out entirely. Cirno was retconned to have the detached wings she's shown to have in the fairy manga. Why's that?
If everything from secondary material is automatic canon, then why were the fat fairies never portrayed or referenced by ZUN? Why has ZUN never embraced the tengu wing shit when he fully embraced the new design for Cirno's wings that Hirasaka made?

lmao at your desperate made-up fanfiction of not only ZUN’s reasoning, but Hirasaka’s reasoning. No wonder you’re so insane that you even ignore official artists. Like most psychotic autists you’re a filthy hypocrite who’s projecting your own garbage mindset. You’re so deluded in your psychotic narcissistic bubble that you even headcanon the events of artists in real life. Where the FUCK is it stated that the chubby characters were intentional and not the natural assumption that he just had a fat artstyle (since all his characters were fat) that he naturally improved at? You are absolutely fucking mental lol. A fucking artstyle is not at all comparable to the actual element in the lore that the crow tengu have wings, something that was shown in multiple different works by multiple different artists so there is no excuse that it’s just one artist’s headcanon/mistake, and most importantly in the fucking text itself. ZUN clearly does consider it canon.

>Why are you so mentally deficient? Stop pretending "this drawn art by ZUN does not count as art or drawn or ZUN's because Reisens" and go back to your Mario game.

It’s absolutely hilarious how you’re such a fucking piece of shit that you can’t even handle yourself. I’m just emulating your shit logic that only ZUN art is canon and that anything that was portrayed in other official works by other artists but hasn’t been drawn by ZUN isn’t canon. At least ZUN has acknowledged the wings in text while Miko’s cape, Koishi/Doremy etc.’s powers in the fighting games haven’t been referenced by him at all. This whole discussion is based on your psychotic arbitraryness that only ZUN art matters even though every piece of published media has had multiple people working on it. Well guess what? Sprites aren’t actual artwork. Guess Momiji doesn’t exist. You should listen to the advice of others and kill yourself.

>>25198938
It's not made-up fanfiction. We know that is the case, as it was what led to Aki Eda portraying the Lunarians' ultimate weapon as just some fan as opposed to what ZUN wanted. And I said exactly nothing about Hirasaka's take on these events. You're so beyond livid you're seeing things that aren't there. But then again, you were already doing that LOL. You can't even tell what you yourself are writing anymore - why wouldn't the fat characters be intentional when, as you say, Hirasaka had a fat artstyle so he intentionally drew everyone fat? Your brain's fried.

>A fucking artstyle is not at all comparable to the actual element in the lore that the crow tengu have wings
But changing clothes is comparable to changing one's body features?
Besides, if it's an element in the lore, then why is it not reflected in the characters? You know why.
Just because it's the headcanon of multiple people doesn't mean it's canon when none of those multiple people is ZUN.

ZUN is ultimately what everything comes back to. He decided fat fairies were not Touhou's way. He decided detached fairy wings were. He decided tengu wings were not Touhou's way. He decided Momiji was, and has drawn Momiji more times than he has drawn tengu with wings. You should listen to the advice of your handler and go kill some goombas.

>>25199231
>It's not made-up fanfiction. We know that is the case, as it was what led to Aki Eda portraying the Lunarians' ultimate weapon as just some fan as opposed to what ZUN wanted. And I said exactly nothing about Hirasaka's take on these events. You're so beyond livid you're seeing things that aren't there. But then again, you were already doing that LOL. You can't even tell what you yourself are writing anymore - why wouldn't the fat characters be intentional when, as you say, Hirasaka had a fat artstyle so he intentionally drew everyone fat? Your brain's fried.

ZUN didn’t want anything. He just gave a vague description and when Aki drew the fan he liked it so much he made it canon. Suffice to say, the same thing happened with Aya’s retractable wings if ZUN wasn’t the one who ordered it himself. Thanks for proving just how ZUN approves the designs of his artists and makes them canon. (And of course all of this would have happened before the manga was published and not after the manga was already done just in case you are so brain dead and ignorant you don’t know how storyboards and editing work)

And no, how would an artstyle be intentional? You think ZUN intentionally makes his characters look like deviantart goblins? That Satori was intentionally made to look like an amputee with no arms? Although by your dumbass logic, Satori would still be an amputee with T-Rex arms since there hasn’t been any artwork drawn by him that says otherwise. It’s almost as if ZUN doesn’t actually draw much since he’s garbage at drawing and that’s why he has other artists draw for him in big projects like the fighting games and artwork-heavy stuff like the manga and books. This is the case for every creator, producer, director, writer whose speciality isn’t in drawing. Those artists are still the official canon artwork. This is fucking common sense.

>But changing clothes is comparable to changing one's body features?
>Besides, if it's an element in the lore, then why is it not reflected in the characters? You know why.

You’re intentionally playing dense. The logic of Aya having wings and flying in one panel and then landing and the wings disappearing and concluding that she concealed them is the same as someone walking into a room in one panel and coming out with different clothes in another and concluding that they changed. This is not at all comparable in art style unless you’re saying all the characters and the entire world magically morphs shape and transforms in all the different manga or in ZUN’s games himself since he pretty much never has the same style each game.
You might as well fucking say the world is suddenly black and white in the manga and 2d in the games. That’s how fucking stupid you are for trying to compare the meta artstyle to what’s actually happening in-universe.

>Just because it's the headcanon of multiple people doesn't mean it's canon when none of those multiple people is ZUN.
>ZUN is ultimately what everything comes back to. He decided fat fairies were not Touhou's way. He decided detached fairy wings were. He decided tengu wings were not Touhou's way. He decided Momiji was, and has drawn Momiji more times than he has drawn tengu with wings. You should listen to the advice of your handler and go kill some goombas.

[citation needed]

If it was all approved, edited together and published with ZUN’s knowledge then he says it’s canon. You’re going to have to prove that he’s said otherwise.

Source needed for ZUN directly saying fat fairies needed to go rather than Hirasaka naturally evolving past his fat artstyle like how every evolving artist, including ZUN himself works.

Source needed for him saying Tengu’s wings were not the way when the latest canon works directly contradicts that. Yes,
Momiji exists because he’s canonically established as a character throughout all his print works, but in your diseased mind’s world where only ZUN’s art matters then she doesn’t exist because she’s just an insignificant sprite with no official artwork nor dialogue.

>>25200814
>Thanks for proving just how ZUN approves the designs of his artists and makes them canon.
Then why is fat Cirno not canon? By this same logic, Momiji's super ear-hiding powers are canon as well. ZUN approved it, therefore it MUST be canon! There are no other factors at play here, muh black and white world hurr durr!

ZUN picks and choose what HE wants to be canon from spinoff sources, and this is shown through the way HE portrays HIS world and HIS characters. Cirno is canonically not pudgy because HE has portrayed Cirno with the BMI that HE chose for her. Cirno canonically has detached wings despite it contradicting earlier game because HE has drawn Cirno with said wings starting from DDC. Because HE wanted THAT to be canon and NOT the OTHER thing.

If HE wanted tengu with wings to be canon, we would have seen HIM use tengu with wings in HIS games or HIS texts, and neither has happened because HE does not consider tengu with wings canon. And we know this because, as mentioned, ZUN picks and choose what HE wants to be canon from spinoff sources, and this is shown through the way HE portrays HIS world and HIS characters.

And again, and again, and again, it does not matter if the artists were commissioned by him, they are still NOT HIM. Just say that you want wolf-eared Momiji to be canon since you love her so much. Even though you didn't even know she was a game character.

Your little "logic" there isn't even logically-consistent with itself. If Aya deploys her wings when she wants to go flying then WHY have we NOT seen her with wings in ANY of the mainline GAMES where she spends ALL her screentime GODDAMN FUCKING FLYING. It's artistic liberty taken because it looks cool to a handful of the artists' fanon-riddled minds and ZUN didn't find it to be canon-breaking. Same with Hirasaka's artstyle making it seem that McDonald's reached Gensokyo. But neither of these things are actually canon so they never affected the canon appearances of the characters - everyone's as slim as they were before the fattening, Aya's as wingless as she was before the headcanoning.

>and 2d in the games
I guess those 3D backgrounds are just my imagination, then. Have you ever played any of the Touhou games? Have you ever played any games in general? Have you ever even played Mario?

You're both wrong, you know.
Here is the canon answer from the man himself.

https://youtu.be/jSBYVHFUvmQ?t=2588

>>25201139
>Then why is fat Cirno not canon? By this same logic, Momiji's super ear-hiding powers are canon as well. ZUN approved it, therefore it MUST be canon! There are no other factors at play here, muh black and white world hurr durr!

Do you have fun being retarded on purpose? Guess that means since Reimu’s gohei length is always inconsistent and Reimu had zombie color in MoF that means none of ZUN’s art is canon either. Kill yourself.

>ZUN picks and choose what HE wants to be canon from spinoff sources, and this is shown through the way HE portrays HIS world and HIS characters. Cirno is canonically not pudgy because HE has portrayed Cirno with the BMI that HE chose for her. Cirno canonically has detached wings despite it contradicting earlier game because HE has drawn Cirno with said wings starting from DDC. Because HE wanted THAT to be canon and NOT the OTHER thing.

[citation needed]

By default all canon works written and overseen by himself are canon. He already picked and chose what he wanted to be canon during the editing segment before the works are published.
And lol if you think he wants his characters to look like armless goblins. There’s a reason he commissions other artists for his big projects and artwork heavy stories. This is how all published media works. Sorry that you’re too much of a psychotic narcissist who should kill himself.

>I guess those 3D backgrounds are just my imagination, then. Have you ever played any of the Touhou games? Have you ever played any games in general? Have you ever even played Mario?

Why am I not surprised that in your psychotic diseased mind you see a 3D space in Toulouse games. I guess modern side-scrollers are 3D platformers in your opposite reality.

>>25201747
>Do you have fun being retarded on purpose?
Do you? You keep equating putting on a cape to growing extra limbs, but then owning more than one wooden stick is apparently a bridge too far in your mind.

>By default all canon works written and overseen by himself are canon.
Then why is Cirno not fat? Answer the FUCKING question.

>Why am I not surprised that in your psychotic diseased mind you see a 3D space in Toulouse games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-UH08T4qwc
What do you think this background is, you stupid motherfucker? So it's confirmed then, you never fucking played the fucking games in this fucking game-based franchise, and you're trying to fucking lecture people about its fucking canon.

Did you hear that ding? We hit maximum clownshow. Congrats.

>>25202131
>Do you? You keep equating putting on a cape to growing extra limbs, but then owning more than one wooden stick is apparently a bridge too far in your mind.

Yes, keep showing your severe autism with your lack of self-awareness in not realizing that in a world of magical creatures who can control fate, time and space that concealing wings is too much for you to imagine is as stupid as saying someone can’t switch sticks.

>Then why is Cirno not fat? Answer the FUCKING question.

Do you have fun being retarded on purpose? I already explained how comparing meta artstyles with in-universe aspects is brain dead retarded. How come the characters never look the same in each new game? There must be over 12 different Reimus and Marisas running around! All the other characters only appear once and each subsequent character is a clone with a different style! Fucking kill yourself.

>What do you think this background is, you stupid motherfucker? So it's confirmed then, you never fucking played the fucking games in this fucking game-based franchise, and you're trying to fucking lecture people about its fucking canon.
>Did you hear that ding? We hit maximum clownshow. Congrats.

So we’ve got confirmation that you’re too much of a retard do know the difference between backgrounds and 3D space. I guess pac-man and tetris with backgrounds are 3D too in your diseased mind. Kill yourself.

>>25202417
So just because the likes of Mamizou can shapeshift that means everyone can? Can Kosuzu and Rinnosuke have wings now?
It might be "a world of magical creatures who can control fate, time and space" but it still has rules, believe it or not.

>How come the characters never look the same in each new game? There must be over 12 different Reimus and Marisas running around! All the other characters only appear once and each subsequent character is a clone with a different style!
Do you have fun being retarded on purpose?
Also the PoFV Aya, the StB Aya, the MoF Aya, the SA's ReimuC ending Aya, the DS Aya, the GFW's C1 ending Aya, the ISC Aya and the HSiFS Aya are all wingless btw.

>So we’ve got confirmation that you’re too much of a retard do know the difference between backgrounds and 3D space.
Nice backpedalling, dumbass. You were the one who said the world of the games was purely 2D. The gameplay might be (there are many, many examples of enemies coming from the background after all) but the entire world sure isn't. You were wrong. About this and about everything.

>>25182176
STOP
FUCKING
ARGUING WITH HIM, HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER A FUCKING DECADE

>>25202908
the guy who thinks aya has wings is cool and the other guy is shit though

>>25203204
Nice try shitposter.
I won't be surprised if you're talking to yourself all this time with only some gullible people giving few replies.

Why don't you just shoot yourself in the foot if you're miserable enough to ruin almost every manga discussion?

>>25203204
>>25202908
I'd actually misquoted. This >>25202908 is for >>25181822 who and anyone who entertains this fucking enormous, shitbrained retard instead of ignoring him. There's no logic in his argument, don't take the fucking bait

Wow, Aya canonically has wings? That's pretty cool.

I know it's 4chan we're talking about, but holy fuck how do some of you people function when you're this goddamn autistic.

>>25208324
/jp/ is a special kind of autist

>>25202741
>So just because the likes of Mamizou can shapeshift that means everyone can? Can Kosuzu and Rinnosuke have wings now?
>It might be "a world of magical creatures who can control fate, time and space" but it still has rules, believe it or not.

Rules that are decided by ZUN and people who actually work with him, not a psychotic narcissistic fanboy you secondary piece of shit. They say she usually conceals her wings. They’re canon. It must suck knowing how desperately you want to pretend like you’re ZUN’s interpreter and right hand man and his official artists are just fan artists when in reality you’re some autistic nobody that ZUN doesn’t know exists and if he by some misfortune actually did, he’d think you’re scum and better off dead like everyone who has the misfortune to know you so you should just skip to what your lord ZUN wants and kill yourself. Hey, maybe you spirit can influence him through your death and tell him to explicitly say Aya doesn’t have wings lol. But as long as you’re living, Aya has wings. Tough luck.

>Also the PoFV Aya, the StB Aya, the MoF Aya, the SA's ReimuC ending Aya, the DS Aya, the GFW's C1 ending Aya, the ISC Aya and the HSiFS Aya are all wingless btw.

Wow, 8 different Ayas running around by your logic! Kill yourself. And even in those 8 Aya there’s nothing indicating they can’t be hiding wings.

>Nice backpedalling, dumbass. You were the one who said the world of the games was purely 2D. The gameplay might be (there are many, many examples of enemies coming from the background after all) but the entire world sure isn't. You were wrong. About this and about everything.

Yeah, you’ve long since established yourself as a mentally deficient autist whose thought processes and interpretations are the same as the rest of us non-insane people. When a game is called 2d they’re referring to the gameplay. Practically every game past the mid 80s has backgrounds. I explicitly told you I was referring to meta things like only being able to move around in a 2d plane because you’re so stupid you think artstyle is an intentional aspect that can be seen in-universe as if the whole world suddenly turned fat and morphed. Go drop off a ledge.

1) Tengu are mythologically shapeshifters
2) This prominent Tengu character has been shown both with and without wings

omg what could it mean?????

It's almost 10 days and we're 50 posts away from the bump limit. How long do you reckon this will keep up?

>>25210880
B-b-but ZUN art!

>>25214791
i genuinely think its all one person

>>25210803
Yes, ZUN decides the rules, and he has clearly decided that tengu don't have wings. It doesn't matter if Harukawa puts a million wings on Aya, the fact of that matter is that they are not acknowledged. So ZUN didn't write anything about wings. He just lets Harukawa do her thing in the same way he let Hirasaka make everyone fat. Ever noticed how the sudden fatness was never commented on by anybody? There you go.

This shit is really simple and you still somehow don't get it (assuming you're not just not pretending to be retarded to have the last word). You keep trying to say that I want to be the arbiter of canon when I'm not the one that told ZUN to never draw Aya with wings. That's something HE decided on and that he has constantly and consistently stuck to, from the very beginning of Aya's design, regardless of what other artists were doing.

>Wow, 8 different Ayas running around by your logic!
That was YOUR logic you retarded ape. There's also nothing indicating Momiji isn't hiding wings so hurr durr Momiji wolf ears canon. Man you really love those wolf ears, huh!

>I explicitly told you I was referring to meta things like only being able to move around in a 2d plane
The only thing you explicitly said is that the game world is 2D. It's not. Shove your wall of baby bitch cope up your ass.

>>25210880
1) Satori are biologically monkeys
2) These prominent satori characters have been shown to not be monkeys

omg what could it mean?????

>>25159249
Everyone replying to you is using too many words for you.
Here:
ZUN's art doesn't have wings on Aya.
ZUN's word (admittedly implicit) is that Aya has wings, as proven by countless artists illustrating for OFFICIAL works.
When ZUN's art and ZUN's word contradict each other, what do we take as true?

My personal opinion is who the fuck cares at this point. I've given up on ZUN being consistent.

>>25214791
Almost indefinitely. There are actually people who are completely unable to make themselves back out of an argument, even if it's completely obvious the opponent is trolling or mentally ill (or both). They absolutely have to "win". I'm not sure if there's a proper medical term for this.

>>25216951
>ZUN's word (admittedly implicit) is that Aya has wings
Is ZUN's word that Momiji has wolf ears also? Is ZUN's word that everyone is fat too? They got in so that MUST be the case!

The problem with assumptions like yours is that they simply cannot be consistent with what we actually see. You're probably going to reply with some bandaid headcanon that "resolves" it but that's exactly the problem. You can't have a tower of duct tape that can't keep itself straight for more than 10 minutes and call it "logic". Logic is consistent, that's why it's logic.

The logic of "he let the artist have their freedom but didn't let it affect canon by itself" /is/ 100% consistent with literally every single thing that has been brought up. It also complies with Occam's Razor, being the explanation that makes the least leaps.

>My personal opinion is who the fuck cares at this point.

>>25216951
>ZUN's word (admittedly implicit) is that Aya has wings
Is ZUN's word that Momiji has wolf ears also? Is ZUN's word that everyone is fat too? They got in so that MUST be the case!

The problem with assumptions like yours is that they simply cannot be consistent with what we actually see. You're probably going to reply with some bandaid headcanon that "resolves" it but that's exactly the problem. You can't have a tower of duct tape that can't keep itself straight for more than 10 minutes and call it "logic". Logic is consistent, that's why it's logic.

The logic of "he let the artist have their freedom but didn't let it affect canon by itself" /is/ 100% consistent with literally every single thing that has been brought up. It also complies with Occam's Razor, being the explanation that makes the least leaps.

>>25216664
>Yes, ZUN decides the rules, and he has clearly decided that tengu don't have wings. It doesn't matter if Harukawa puts a million wings on Aya, the fact of that matter is that they are not acknowledged. So ZUN didn't write anything about wings. He just lets Harukawa do her thing in the same way he let Hirasaka make everyone fat. Ever noticed how the sudden fatness was never commented on by anybody? There you go.
>
>This shit is really simple and you still somehow don't get it (assuming you're not just not pretending to be retarded to have the last word). You keep trying to say that I want to be the arbiter of canon when I'm not the one that told ZUN to never draw Aya with wings. That's something HE decided on and that he has constantly and consistently stuck to, from the very beginning of Aya's design, regardless of what other artists were doing.

Nope. The fact that he has his official artists draw them with wings means he’s saying they’re canon no matter how you, the insignificant psychotic narcissistic fanboy, tries to cope. Her wings are canon as long as you are alive. Tough luck.

Nope, he drew her concealing her wings. Simple. Unless you can prove ZUN outright says she has no wings then the logical assumption is that he’s drawing her concealing her wings when he’s said in text that she has wings.

>That was YOUR logic you retarded ape. There's also nothing indicating Momiji isn't hiding wings so hurr durr Momiji wolf ears canon. Man you really love those wolf ears, huh!

You’re the one that’s such a fucking retard that you’re trying to bring up artstyles as if Hirasaka naturally evolving his artstyle was a conscious decision by both ZUN and him. Since ZUN constantly changes his style every single game by your logic that must mean ZUN is consciously saying there’s dozens of Reimus and Ayas! Or that the characters all morph their face and body every game!

And here you are, playing the retard again. There’s nothing indicating Momiji had wings in the first place unlike Aya. Momiji’s ears are a one-off thing by a single artist that’s never repeated again so false equivalence. If you can bring up something that’s drawn by multiple artists, that’s referenced in ZUN’s text, and is shown in the latest mangas then you would have something comparable and maybe have a point for the first time in your life. Until then, sorry autist, her wings are canon.

>The only thing you explicitly said is that the game world is 2D. It's not. Shove your wall of baby bitch cope up your ass.

Can you move Reimu towards the foreground and background? No? The world is 2d. I get that you’re too mentally deficient to know the difference between fake backgrounds the player characters can’t interact with and an actual 3d space the players can move around in.

>>25219057
>Nope, he drew her concealing her wings.
Citation HELLA needed.

You can't ask for proof of a negative, you absolute underage. The status quo is: Aya has no wings, ZUN has never drawn with wings. If you'd like to challenge that, you're the one that needs to bring in the proof.

But there is NO proof. Other artists drawing her with wings has equal weight to other artists drawing her as a fatty. ZUN didn't draw his characters as fatties to match, ZUN didn't draw Aya with wings to match. These are the FACTS.

>Can you move Reimu towards the foreground and background? No? The world is 2d.
Okay, the 3D backgrounds are imaginary.

You're doing it again. This is why wing shit was such a bad idea. All it did was introduce maximum aspies like you to us.

>>25219784
>Citation HELLA needed.
>You can't ask for proof of a negative, you absolute underage. The status quo is: Aya has no wings, ZUN has never drawn with wings. If you'd like to challenge that, you're the one that needs to bring in the proof.
>But there is NO proof. Other artists drawing her with wings has equal weight to other artists drawing her as a fatty. ZUN didn't draw his characters as fatties to match, ZUN didn't draw Aya with wings to match. These are the FACTS

Wrong. The status quo is that all art in official canon that aren’t one-time mistakes are canon. The mangas explicitly show that she can hide her wings. Thus it’s to be assumed that she hides it whenever she doesn’t have it in any future media. Here I’ll put it in a way your tiny diseased mind can comprehend. Let’s say a manga has Marisa learning a spell to make gills under her clothes in order to breathe underwater. A future game has her underwater but not showing any gills. What’s more logical. A. Assuming she’s still using the power from her previous story in the manga or B. Going “hurr durr I don’t see any gills hurr, she must’ve been born being able to breathe underwater!” That’s you.

The art from an artist a writer and creator personally hires to draw his official work is by default canon. You’re the one that has to prove ZUN doesn’t consider their work canon. That is you making the claim. The burden of proof is on you to prove that ZUN doesn’t consider the art that’s appeared in multiple of his official works canon. Aya not having wings in his drawings isn’t a contradiction when the official mangas show she can conceal them. You’re basically going “show proof gravity exists! I can’t see it and nothing happens when I’m not dropping anything!”
No, artstyle doesn’t count unless you’re saying there’s a dozen Reimus and Ayas running around.

>Okay, the 3D backgrounds are imaginary.
>You're doing it again. This is why wing shit was such a bad idea. All it did was introduce maximum aspies like you to us.

Yup they might as well be imaginary since the player characters can’t interact with it. That’s why using meta artstyle is so retarded. Everyone knows you’re a severely autistic retard who’s better off dead. Hey, maybe you can influence ZUN as a spirit to say Aya has no wings. Until then, her wings are canon. Too bad, so sad.

>>25220915
>that aren’t one-time mistakes
Oh look, more arbitrary bandaids so that you don't have to face the logical end point of your own shit "logic". What the mangas show doesn't matter when it has no effect on the canon line. The mangas can literally show every character becoming pudgier but it won't matter if it doesn't transfer to how the same characters are portrayed by ZUN. You agree with this. Yet you're so obsessed with wings that you can't fathom that it's the same case with them.

>You’re the one that has to prove ZUN doesn’t consider their work canon.
Okay. Where are the fat fairies?

>Yup they might as well be imaginary
At least you admit you're a total tard.

>>25209533
>/jp/
No, the people that defined /jp/ have left long time ago.
Current /jp/ is nothing but newfags and crossboarders.

>>25221095
>Oh look, more arbitrary bandaids so that you don't have to face the logical end point of your own shit "logic". What the mangas show doesn't matter when it has no effect on the canon line. The mangas can literally show every character becoming pudgier but it won't matter if it doesn't transfer to how the same characters are portrayed by ZUN. You agree with this. Yet you're so obsessed with wings that you can't fathom that it's the same case with them.

“NOt countInG mISTakes is arbITRary”
Ah, right so that means ZUN drawing zombie Reimu in MoF means none of touhou is canon. That’s the end point of your logic. All Touhou art is non-canon! Of course, there’s still the text which says she has wings so you still lose there lmao. Of course, in reality all official art barring minor mistakes are canon. You’re just a narcissistic secondary fanboy.

>Okay. Where are the fat fairies?

Where is derp face Sakuya? Where are the bug eyed IN characters? The funny thing is ZUN himself likely actually prefers his hired artists over his own deformed dolls since why doesn’t he just tell them to emulate his art? There are ton of fan artists who can draw his style. So why does he EXCLUSIVELY get manga quality artists for all his big projects? In fact, it’s actually the opposite! ZUN is saying his artists are MORE canon than his! Since you love to pretend like you can read ZUN’s mind.

>At least you admit you're a total tard.

Since my “3D background can’t be interacted with so it’s imaginary” is the same logic as your “fat artstyle actually meant the fairies were fat in-universe” retard logic then you’re finally admitting that you’re the tard.

>>25221095
Literally your whole argument is run on your arbitrary “official artwork in official canon don’t count because Reisens” headcanon, faggot. There’s nothing more simpler than “she hides her wings”. Kill yourself.

>>25161859
Aya LITERALLY HAS WINGS IN THE VERY MANGA YOU'RE READING. How delusional are you?

>>25222291
Stop typing anytime.

I like Aya, she is very cute and cool :^)

>>25222291
>“NOt countInG mISTakes is arbITRary”
Attaching random qualificators without reason is arbitrary, yes. It's just like if someone said "all art is canon ExCePt wHeN mUh WiNgS tHen ZuN iS OvErRuLeD lOl". Am I doing this right, /v/?

>Ah, right so that means ZUN drawing zombie Reimu in MoF means none of touhou is canon. That’s the end point of your logic. All Touhou art is non-canon!
Do you have fun pretending to be retarded? My whole argument is that the character is not changed just because an external appearance shows them differently if they still look the same in the main product. MoF's Zombie Reimu was already retconned, in new art by ZUN that didn't depict her like a zombie.

MuH wInGs wasn't a retcon to Aya's appearance because it was never in canon.

>Where is derp face Sakuya?
Corrected by ZUN in PCB's art onwards.
>Where are the bug eyed IN characters?
Corrected by ZUN in PoFV's art onwards.
Where is winged Aya?
Corrected nowhere because there was no point where ZUN drew Aya with wings.

>ZUN is saying his artists are MORE canon than his!
Okay, so where the wings then? If ZUN thinks his artists are the arbiters of canon then why has not ZUN followed suit by putting wings on Aya? If you're going to do your assburgers "hurr i'll pretend to be you but not really because i just want a strawman xd" then can you at least bring up shit that has a basis in reality?

Nice false equivalence at the end there though, tard.

>>25222383
Learn to read. I'm not the one saying "ZUN's official artwork in official canon of wingless Aya doesn't count because Reisens1!!1". There's nothing simpler than "she doesn't have wings". Get lost.

>>25222854
>Learn to read. I'm not the one saying "ZUN's official artwork in official canon of wingless Aya doesn't count because Reisens1!!1". There's nothing simpler than "she doesn't have wings". Get lost.

Yes you are the one saying “"Official artwork in official canon of winged Aya doesn't count because Reisens1!!1" and “Aya can’t have hidden her wings in ZUN’s art because Reisens1!!1” Kill yourself.

>>25222970
>"Official artwork in official canon of winged Aya doesn't count because Reisens1!!1"
So that counts but the fact ZUN has never, ever, EVER shown Aya with wings doesn't count?
>“Aya can’t have hidden her wings in ZUN’s art because Reisens1!!1”
So Momiji just has her wolf ears hidden when she's shown without them?

Fuck off, secondary.

>>25223092
B-b-but ZUN Art! B-b-but Momiji! Nobody cares about your retarded bandaid coping. Your muh Reisens1!1! have long been debunked. ZUN draws her hiding her wings. Momiji is a mistake. inb4 muh citation needed1!1!

>>25222854
>Attaching random qualificators without reason is arbitrary, yes. It's just like if someone said "all art is canon ExCePt wHeN mUh WiNgS tHen ZuN iS OvErRuLeD lOl". Am I doing this right, /v/?

You’re such a psychotic retard that you’re not even responding to the same thing. Everything has small mistakes that are corrected which is shown by all future media not showing it anymore. Discounting one-time mistakes is not arbitrary to anyone but the most brain dead or retards. Meanwhile, discounting multiple official artwork just because they’re not the creator IS arbitrary.

>>25222854
>Do you have fun pretending to be retarded? My whole argument is that the character is not changed just because an external appearance shows them differently if they still look the same in the main product. MoF's Zombie Reimu was already retconned, in new art by ZUN that didn't depict her like a zombie.
>MuH wInGs wasn't a retcon to Aya's appearance because it was never in canon.

Oh, except it is, because Miko now has a cape that she doesn’t have in the main games, Okina has a wheelchair that’s not shown in the main games, Kasen exists even though she’s not shown in the main games, Kosuzu exists even though she’s not shown in the main games, all the occult powers exist even though they’re not shown in the main games etc. That garbage argument has been proven dead wrong a long time ago. What you were arguing was that a single mistake in an unrelated artwork (Momiji’s ear, who btw wouldn’t even exist outside of a faceless sprite in ten main games) means every canonical artwork not by ZUN is discounted, Which is wrong and braindead. Momiji’s ear were already corrected by future works. By your logic a single mistake in ZUN’s art means all of ZUN’s art is discounted too. Aya’s wings aren’t considered a mistake because her wings continue to show up in official works.
Your “hurr durr momiji ears” is a false equivalence.


>>Where is derp face Sakuya?
>Corrected by ZUN in PCB's art onwards.
>>Where are the bug eyed IN characters?
>Corrected by ZUN in PoFV's art onwards.

Ah, so by your logic that correcting artstyles means he considers those aspects non-canon that means he considers EoSD and IN non-canon. Gotcha. Welp, guess EoSD and IN is non-canon according to /vg/ autist.

>Okay, so where the wings then? If ZUN thinks his artists are the arbiters of canon then why has not ZUN followed suit by putting wings on Aya? If you're going to do your assburgers "hurr i'll pretend to be you but not really because i just want a strawman xd" then can you at least bring up shit that has a basis in reality?

It doesn’t matter if he draws wings or not anymore when the manga and fighting game artists are more canon than his. Thanks to your shitposts we can just bring it to this definitive undeniable evidence. It doesn’t matter what ZUN draws or not when the print work and fighting game art is more canon than his. Glad we’ve finally reached a conclusion.

>Nice false equivalence at the end there though, tard.

Meta aspect vs meta aspect. No false equivalence detected. The only false equivalence is you comparing a one-time mistake with something that’s been continually drawn for literally a decade where ZUN could have long since spoke up against it yet is still in the latest official canon.
And of course, ACTUALLY REFERENCED IN THE TEXT. Checkmate, bitch.

>>25223419
Momiji has never even been shown outside of other non-ZUN artists so it’s hilarious how he’s using the non-ZUN artists he’s broadly shitting on as evidence. Really shows his hypocrisy and stupidity

>>25216664
>Satori are biologically monkeys
The fuck?

>>25223419
Crying about sourcing your nonsense won't make it less necesary to source your nonsense. Want to use "ZUN draws her hiding her wings" as a valid counterpoint? Then source it. Source it, stupid.

>>25223439
>Meanwhile, discounting multiple official artwork just because they’re not the creator IS arbitrary.
Explain what is arbitrary about not taking information that is constantly being contradicted by the creator of Touhou, the creator of Aya and the creator of Mizutaki's new day job.

>all the occult powers exist even though they’re not shown in the main games
What the FUCK is Violet Detector, dude? Moreover, LoLK's entire plot occurs because of ULiL /and/ that game's events are directly referenced in Marisa's ending. How much of a secondary ARE you?
>What you were arguing was that a single mistake in an unrelated artwork (Momiji’s ear, who btw wouldn’t even exist outside of a faceless sprite in ten main games) means every canonical artwork not by ZUN is discounted
Holy shit, you're actually illiterate. The only discounting ocurring in my argument is due to contradictions in portrayal. Momiji is not shown with wolf ears in ZUN art. Momiji is shown with wolf ears in the fairy manga. Civilized people would have realized it was either a mistake from the artist or ZUN letting some artistic liberty through. Aya is not shown with wings in ZUN art (any ZUN art). Aya is shown with wings in various manga. Civilized people would have realized that it's highly likely not a mistake, but seeing as it hasn't impacted Aya's appearance in the main games, it's possibly ZUN, again, letting some artistic liberty through.

You're not civilized. You're not even on the level of being an animal.

>Ah, so by your logic that correcting artstyles means he considers those aspects non-canon that means he considers EoSD and IN non-canon.
It means that those portrayals aren't correct, not the entire games. And it isn't as if I ever said or implied that the entirety of CoLA, FS or Suichouka should be non-canon. Do you see how you're an actual illiterate?

>something that’s been continually drawn for literally a decade
You mean wingless Aya? lol

>>25223739
>Momiji has never even been shown
Play the games, secondary.

Oh, and by the way,
>>25223439
>fighting game art is more canon than his.
Aya hasn't shown up with wings in any fighting game either. ;)

>>25102641
then what is extermination? Just beating them unconscious and leaving them on the side of the road? If extermination isn't killing then why is the fortune teller dead?

>>25231045
Considering that's what happened to Tokiko, and Reimu specifically called it an extermination, then yes.
>fortune teller
She called it "needless killing", didn't she.

>>25223897
Honest question for you: do you ever stop to think about how disappointed ZUN would be in you? Okay so just for a moment let's all agree Aya's wings aren't canon. So? Why does that matter? You're on a crusade against what you consider headcanon and anything that isn't official. Why? ZUN personally promotes and encourages the exact opposite of your mindset. ZUN purposely designs Touhou in such a way that it can be flexible, which in turn translates to canon inconsistencies. Putting the whole wings argument aside, what is the purpose of being like this? You act like you're some sort of superior fan but you're actively pushing against ZUN's own mindset and intentions. Not only that but disparaging other fans and artists that he has worked closely with in the process. Do you truly think he would approve of such an attitude? What are you seriously trying to prove here?
(Not the same person you've been arguing with btw).

>>25223897
>Crying about sourcing your nonsense won't make it less necesary to source your nonsense. Want to use "ZUN draws her hiding her wings" as a valid counterpoint? Then source it. Source it, stupid.

There’s no need to source shit that’s common sense, retard. Can you source where ZUN says his own art is canon? If you can’t source where ZUN says his own art is canon then you lose. Kill yourself.

>>25223897
>Explain what is arbitrary about not taking information that is constantly being contradicted by the creator of Touhou, the creator of Aya and the creator of Mizutaki's new day job.

Nothing is contradicted. The official mangas show she normally conceals her wings and there’s nothing to indicate it’s not the same in ZUN’s art. You’re basically going “hurr durr prove gravity exists because I can’t see it and nothing is currently happening when I’m not moving”

>What the FUCK is Violet Detector, dude? Moreover, LoLK's entire plot occurs because of ULiL /and/ that game's events are directly referenced in Marisa's ending. How much of a secondary ARE you?

Not talking about the events, dumbass, I’m talking about the actual occult powers itself like Mary-San. Funny how you ignore everything else that proves you wrong because you know you’re a secondary idiot who has no idea what he’s taking about

>Holy shit, you're actually illiterate. The only discounting ocurring in my argument is due to contradictions in portrayal. Momiji is not shown with wolf ears in ZUN art. Momiji is shown with wolf ears in the fairy manga. Civilized people would have realized it was either a mistake from the artist or ZUN letting some artistic liberty through. Aya is not shown with wings in ZUN art (any ZUN art). Aya is shown with wings in various manga. Civilized people would have realized that it's highly likely not a mistake, but seeing as it hasn't impacted Aya's appearance in the main games, it's possibly ZUN, again, letting some artistic liberty through.

A. You’re going to have to prove where there’s a contradiction. Nope, Aya’s wings not showing up in ZUN’s art isn’t a contradiction when ZUN’s official canon (the mangas) shows she can hide it. You’ll have to prove where ZUN explicitly says she doesn’t have wings because there’s no reason to believe she’s simply not showing them during those instances. Status Quo is official canon: she can hide her wings. Burden of proof is on you to show that ZUN explicitly means “she doesn’t have wings” and not “she’s not showing wings in these moments”.
B. “Artistic liberty” as in saying they’re canon. That’s why he’s continually had people draw her wings unlike one-time Momiji ears.
>It means that those portrayals aren't correct, not the entire games. And it isn't as if I ever said or implied that the entirety of CoLA, FS or Suichouka should be non-canon. Do you see how you're an actual illiterate?

Right, so fat fairies and Momiji have no relation to Aya’s wings. It’s hilarious when I’m able to get you to refute your own arguments because your “arguments” are built on inconsistency and hypocrisy. Your fat fairies thing doesn’t even work since like Momiji it’s a one-time thing not drawn or referenced by any other official artists or media unlike Aya’s wings. So once again, false equivalence. Until you can find something that has been drawn by multiple artists, shown in multiple media, continued to be shown up to the latest media, and referenced in the text itself, nothing is comparable and you only have false equivalences.

>You mean wingless Aya? lol
You know they’re not mutually exclusive right? This like saying the instances where Sakuya’s eyes are blue means the instances where Sakuya’s eyes are red are non-canonical. In fact, speaking or Sakuya, nothing has ever indicated how or why Sakuya can change her eye colors even when she’s ostensibly a human yet you take that for granted as if there’s nothing there to argue because it’s a fantasy magical world but suddenly Aya’s wings need a PhD thesis on how she conceals them? The definition of arbitrary.
“Ok I’ll accept fantasy magical body parts that don’t work the way they do in real life BUUUUUUUT”

>>25223897
>Play the games, secondary

Ah, so Momiji is just a chibi sprite with no nose or mouth. Nice headcanon /vg/ fag. But it works. The only universe where Aya doesn’t have wings are the universes where Momiji doesn’t have a mouth or a nose.

>>25234364
>There’s no need to source shit
And that's how you end with secondaries like you, that clearly haven't played any of the games, believing shit like Momiji not being a character, or Violet Detector not existing, or not knowing the fighting games contradict a huge chunk of your argument.

Source your shit or get out of my face.

>>25235080
>The official mangas show she normally conceals her wings and there’s nothing to indicate it’s not the same in ZUN’s art.
If it's the same in ZUN's art, then WHY is she never shown actually hiding her wings? WHY is she never shown with wings at all in the first place? Are you really so stupid you can't see you're applying headcanons on headcanons just to protect a headcanon?

>Not talking about the events
Backpedalling. Fuck outta here.

>A. You’re going to have to prove where there’s a contradiction.
1) Aya is shown with wings in a few of the manga.
2) Aya is not shown with wings in any ZUN art.
3) Aya is shown to have the ability to deploy or hide her wings at will in the manga.
4) Aya is not shown with either ability in any ZUN art.
Therefore, there's a conflict in portrayal of the character between spin-off sources and the series' creator. QED.
>B. “Artistic liberty” as in saying they’re canon.
Oh okay, then fat fairies and fat Reimu and fat Marisa and fat everyone else are canon.
What a retard.

>It’s hilarious when I’m able to get you to refute your own arguments because your “arguments” are built on inconsistency and hypocrisy.
Projecting, much? By the way, Aya's wings are a thing not drawn or referenced by the series' creator in any mainline media. I don't care about your laundry list of arbitrary conditions that only serve to plug your own ears to the truth. The fact of the matter is

ZUN HAS NEVER DRAWN AYA WITH WINGS.

>Sakuya
Sakuya is not what this discussion is about. Looking for an out, already? Why, your """arguments""" haven't been disproven enough times for my liking yet.

>>25235185
>The only universe where Aya doesn’t have wings are the universes where Momiji doesn’t have a mouth or a nose.
Do you have fun pretending to be retarded?
Oh, and that universe you describe is the one sculped by the person who created Aya. Something to consider.

>>25233764
Anon, if this wasn't a discussion worth having, then it wouldn't have been prompted by >>24986018. Believe you me, I'm not as invested in this as you think I am. But Aya having wings clearly means a lot to a certain subgroup - maybe you should ask them why they care.

>>25243518
are you saying you got baited into writing a fucking dissertation every day for over a week and stifling any other suichouka discussion because of one random mindless one sentence post using crossboard "btfo" lingo. that post didn't intend for any actual discussion it was just meant to rile someone up

reassess your priorities in life man

>>25243518
>And that's how you end with secondaries like you, that clearly haven't played any of the games, believing shit like Momiji not being a character, or Violet Detector not existing, or not knowing the fighting games contradict a huge chunk of your argument.
>Source your shit or get out of my face.

So source your shit that ZUN says his art is canon or kill yourself.

tenshi and iku don't exist because ZUN has never drawn them

>>25243518

>>25243518
>Do you have fun pretending to be retarded?
>Oh, and that universe you describe is the one sculped by the person who created Aya. Something to consider.

Translation: “I realize now that my argument is garbage and that I have no valid counterpoints so I’ll just project and call others retarded even though I’ve been the retarded one for multiple years and who even ZUN thinks is a retard”.

Yeah, ZUN definitely thinks Momiji has no eyes or mouth or toes lol. Maybe in your psycho retard world, but in the real world she does, and Aya also has wings. Confirmed by ZUN himself.

>>25244641
>>25244809
Imagine needing proof that the creator of a series decides what the series is like.

I guess Youki, Tenma, Yamame, Parsee, Utsuho, Shou, Myouren, Kyouko, Yoshika, Tojiko, Wakasagihime, Sekibanki, Kagerou, Benben, Yatsuhashi, Raiko, Seiran, Ringo, Reisen 2, Clownpiece, Junko, Chang'e, Eternity, Nemuno, Mai, Satono, Okina, Eika, Urumi, Kutaka, Yachie, Mayumi, Keiki, Saki, Toutetsu, Renko and Maribel are all non-canon because they didn't appear in muh wing manga, and obviously Harukawa and Mizutaki are the ones making canon.

>>25245181
"I know you are but what am I?" Really? How old are you? It's not even relevant to the segment you quoted. It's a total non-sequitur. Speaking of not having anything to say.

>Yeah, ZUN definitely thinks Momiji has no eyes or mouth or toes lol.
Who knows. But we do know that ZUN thinks Aya has no wings. After all, why else would he keep drawing Aya without them?

>>25244514
I do what I want with my free time. Plus, I don't see you complaining about those posts. Why don't you just admit you want me to stop proving you wrong?

>>25244824
Now that's a spicy /a/ meme, tourist.

>>25001669
The same way I always do.

>>25005147
I’m an oldfag! I’ve been here all summer!

>>25245398
Do you have fun pretending to be retarded?
Crying about sourcing your nonsense won't make it less necesary to source your nonsense. Yep, prove ZUN said they’re canon.
You can’t so kill yourself.

>>25243518
>If it's the same in ZUN's art, then WHY is she never shown actually hiding her wings? WHY is she never shown with wings at all in the first place? Are you really so stupid you can't see you're applying headcanons on headcanons just to protect a headcanon?

Your questions are irrelevant. The only “headcanon” that’s needed is “the lore of the mangas (Aya normally conceals her wings) are connected to the main game” which is just common sense. Meanwhile YOU’RE the one that needs a million headcanons, made up fanfictions, and pretending you can read ZUN’s exact thought processes “He’s just allowing artistic liberty without actually making them canon!” “Not drawing Aya’s wings means he’s making a direct confirmation she doesn’t have wings rather than simply not showing them in that game!” “Hirasaka’s artstyle evolving was a direct order by ZUN not wanting the fat artstyle!” in order for your ridiculous argument to hold.

>Backpedalling. Fuck outta here.

Nope, I was literally talking about characters in the entire paragraph but of course, a severely mentally deficient and autistic person like you don’t know how to read context and can only see what you want to see.

>1) Aya is shown with wings in a few of the manga.
>2) Aya is not shown with wings in any ZUN art.
>3) Aya is shown to have the ability to deploy or hide her wings at will in the manga.
>4) Aya is not shown with either ability in any ZUN art.
>Therefore, there's a conflict in portrayal of the character between spin-off sources and the series' creator. QED.

None of those are contradictions when the possibility she has them exists in ZUN’s art. Just like how Kasen exists even though she’s never shown in ZUN’s art. Or that Reimu has lungs even though ZUN has never drawn them. Or that Momiji has eyes and mouths even though ZUN has never drawn them. You’ll need to show that ZUN explicitly said that she doesn’t have wings or made a scenario where her having wings would be impossible. Which obviously doesn’t exist because ZUN considers her wings canon >when he has them appear in the latest canonical story.


>Oh okay, then fat fairies and fat Reimu and fat Marisa and fat everyone else are canon.
>What a retard.

Wrong. They’ve been corrected and thus have never shown up again. Aya’s wings have >literally shown up in all the latest works.

By your logic, there are a dozens Reimus, Ayas, and Sakuyas running around since artstyle changes and one-off mistakes are everywhere in ZUN’s art too.

>Sakuya is not what this discussion is about. Looking for an out, already? Why, your """arguments""" haven't been disproven enough times for my liking yet.

So basically you’re unable to answer why you give arbitrary exception for Aya’s wings and you concede.

>Projecting, much? By the way, Aya's wings are a thing not drawn or referenced by the series' creator in any mainline media. I don't care about your laundry list of arbitrary conditions that only serve to plug your own ears to the truth. The fact of the matter is
>ZUN HAS NEVER DRAWN AYA WITH WINGS.

Creators don’t have the time or capacity to draw everything other official artists have.

Fine, let’s end this discussion right here and now. Why do you think ZUN thinks the artists he personally hires and oversees for his official canonical works are a different canon than his own? No creator does that. You have to prove that ZUN is special in thinking that the official artists he collaborates with and hired to represent his canonical works are non-canon and only his own are. When everything implies the opposite. So go ahead, if you can prove that you win. If you can’t, you lose.

>>25245398
>"I know you are but what am I?" Really? How old are you? It's not even relevant to the segment you quoted. It's a total non-sequitur. Speaking of not having anything to say.
>>Yeah, ZUN definitely thinks Momiji has no eyes or mouth or toes lol.
>Who knows. But we do know that ZUN thinks Aya has no wings. After all, why else would he keep drawing Aya without them?

You’re the one who responded to me with a non-sequitur because you couldn’t refute me. You’re a projector and I’m calling a spade a spade. But we at least have confirmation that with your logic Momiji has no nose, mouth, or toes in your psycho retard headcanon.
Unfortunately for you, in reality, ZUN has confirmed that the wings are canon both in the text and having them be drawn in the latest manga. ZUN also thinks you’re a retard. Must feel bad knowing your precious idol you hold above all else thinks you’re a retard.

/jp/ just got autistic.

>>25244809
WHOA

>>25245934
>>25244809
How about Miyoi and Shion?

>>25245608
>Fine, let’s end this discussion right here and now. Why do you think ZUN thinks the artists he personally hires and oversees for his official canonical works are a different canon than his own? No creator does that. You have to prove that ZUN is special in thinking that the official artists he collaborates with and hired to represent his canonical works are non-canon and only his own are. When everything implies the opposite. So go ahead, if you can prove that you win. If you can’t, you lose.

More like the ARTWORK in his official canonical works, not the artists themselves. But otherwise yes, this is factual.

>>25246110
we can assume ZUN draws every single character at least once, even if it's just for other artists to reference, but I don't think we've seen either miyoi or shion
we have seen Jo'on though, so it's clear which one ZUN liked more

>>25247326
My bad, that’s what I meant.

>>25245398
>Why don't you just admit you want me to stop proving you wrong?
what? i havent replied to a single post of yours otherwise.

i just wanted to talk about the manga. i have enough sense to not see an obvious bait post and argue about it for fucking weeks and completely derail a thread.

>>25245553
You heard it here first, folks. Anything not by Harukawa or Mizutaki is not canon. ZUN? ZUN SCHUN, he doesn't matter, only Harukawa and Mizutaki matter.

Secondaries were a mistake.

>>25245782
Wow, look at all these headcanons and assumptions. I bet if you duct tape some MORE headcanons and assumptions, then you'll stop people from noticing you're avoiding answer the question.

>>25245608
>>25247326
>>25247949
>“He’s just allowing artistic liberty without actually making them canon!”
Just like fat fairies.
>“Not drawing Aya’s wings means he’s making a direct confirmation she doesn’t have wings
Just like fat fairies.
>“Hirasaka’s artstyle evolving was a direct order by ZUN not wanting the fat artstyle!”
Misquotation.

Meanwhile, let's take a look at YOUR headcanons, shall we?
"Aya just isn't showing them this arbitrary time! B-because REASONS, I swear!" "ZUN explicitly told the artists to draw her wings! Even though he never does it himself and plenty of other artists likewise don't! It's all explained by REASONS, I swear!" "ZUN has confirmed she can hide her wings! W-what, proof? Sh-shut up!" "Artistic liberty is not real and ZUN agrees with me because I say so!"
NONE of them have basis in reality and ALL must be true for your argument to not be a total joke.

>Nope
Not an argument.

>None of those are contradictions when the possibility she has them exists in ZUN’s art.
The possibility that Momiji has ear growing powers also exists in ZUN's art.

>They’ve been corrected
The only one who can correct canon is ZUN and indeed, he's the one that ignored the fatties and drew everyone with standard proportions. That much has been established like 5 times at this point.
>Aya’s wings have >literally shown up in all the latest works.
In all the latest works by second-parties. If you want to use the argument "ZUN corrected that but not this" then you should consider the fact that he did correct Aya, which is why she doesn't have wings, she never had wings, and she'll never have wings.

>So basically you’re unable to answer why you give arbitrary exception for Aya’s wings
You're the one giving arbitrary exception, retard. You seem okay with Momiji having wolf ears in the manga but not in the games. You seem okay with fat fairies being only a thing in the old fairy manga but not in the games. Then comes Aya's wings and suddenly ZUN's art is not good enough for you anymore.

>Creators don’t have the time or capacity to draw everything other official artists have.
Irre-fucking-levant. And he still has enough time and capacity to draw wings - just not on Aya. Coincidence?

>Why do you think ZUN thinks the artists he personally hires and oversees for his official canonical works are a different canon than his own?
That's a big shit you pulled out of your own ass. If it's all supposed to be 100% consistent with itself, then where are the fat fairies? Where are the fat fairies, anon? Direct me to the fat fairies.

Artistic liberty is a thing, whther you like it or not. ZUN can, has and will give artists freedom to contradict him if it's minor details.

>>25248250
Nobody is stopping you from discussing Suichouka, retard. And no matter how much it chafes your boypussy, I'm not the one that brought up the wings. Accept that.

>>25249272
>Wow, look at all these headcanons and assumptions. I bet if you duct tape some MORE headcanons and assumptions, then you'll stop people from noticing you're avoiding answer the question.

lmao you’re really taking the projector description to heart here. Literally every word in this post applies to you. Good to see you concede

>>25249272
Do you have fun pretending to be retarded?
Crying about sourcing your nonsense won't make it less necesary to source your nonsense. Yep, prove ZUN said they’re canon. Source your shit, idiot.
You can’t so kill yourself.

>>25249272
>Nobody is stopping you from discussing Suichouka, retard.
Not him but yes it is, with all these painful wall of texts filled each few hours that drown smaller replies outside of this pointless discussion. No one would complain about shitposting ever if you can just told them to ignore it, not with something this constant and disruptive, and all of this just because someone decided to be a little faggot with his stupid post that doesn't even take 10 words.
Honestly, I'm more of no-wings ZUN Aya guy but I loathe the idea going out of the way calling people secondaries left and right with wall of texts. Mind you, I already have a good share of complaining about the other faggots that "taunts" your idea for no reason since the long past but at this point I won't be surprised if you partly instigated this yourself because you take delight at making people this upset.

>>25249272
>Just like fat fairies.
False equivalence
>Just like fat fairies.
False equivalence
>Misquotation
Exact quotation.

>Meanwhile, let's take a look at YOUR headcanons, shall we?

>"Aya just isn't showing them this arbitrary time! B-because REASONS, I swear!"

“Kasen just isn't showing this arbitrary time! B-because REASONS, I swear!"

>"ZUN explicitly told the artists to draw her wings! Even though he never does it himself and plenty of other artists likewise don't! It's all explained by REASONS, I swear!"

"ZUN explicitly told the artists to draw Kasen! Even though he never does it himself and plenty of other artists likewise don't! It's all explained by REASONS, I swear!"

>"ZUN has confirmed she can hide her wings! W-what, proof? Sh-shut up!" "Artistic liberty is not real and ZUN agrees with me because I say so!"

“ZUN has confirmed his works are canon! W-what, proof? Sh-shut up!"

"Following the lore of previous canonical works is not real and ZUN agrees with me because I say so!"”

All of them about Aya’s wings and Kasen have basis in reality and all are true. Only statement not true is the very last one. Coincidence, that last one is only held by one psychotic narcissist-you.

>Not an argument

Way to leave out the rest of my post where I completely proved you wrong, further showcasing how much of a psychotic autist you are.

>The possibility that Momiji has ear growing powers also exists in ZUN's art.

You know what, sure why not? Her having wolf ears is less insane secondary logic than you saying she doesn’t have facial features and toes anyway lol.

>The only one who can correct canon is ZUN and indeed, he's the one that ignored the fatties and drew everyone with standard proportions. That much has been established like 5 times at this point.

[citation needed]

>In all the latest works by second-parties.

Lotus Eaters
Publisher
Kadokawa Shoten /
Comp Ace

Released
November 2019

Writers
ZUN

Are there more things you’d like to be wrong about? I think we’re already like on 1000 counting.

>You're the one giving arbitrary exception, retard.

Then explain Sakuya’s eye colors, autist. Fucking explain Sakuya’s eye colors, retard.

>Irre-fucking-levant.
lmao imagine telling ZUN every single one of his supplementary works, which contain 90% of the lore, besides the music CDs aren’t canon. You’re a joke. If ZUN met you he’d laugh you out and show you as the prime example of how awful a garbage narcissist fanboy is.

>That's a big shit you pulled out of your own ass. If it's all supposed to be 100% consistent with itself, then where are the fat fairies? Where are the fat fairies, anon? Direct me to the fat fairies. Artistic liberty is a thing, whther you like it or not. ZUN can, has and will give artists freedom to contradict him if it's minor details.

False equivalence.
Well, since you’re unable to show where he says official artwork in his canonical works that continue to show up for a decade are a different canon from his own then you lose. I’ll give you one last chance though. What was that all about when you thought someone said they were going to leave? When has anyone here said they’ll leave? If you can prove where someone here said that then you win. If you don’t, you’ll be forever labeled the psychotic schizo that you are and everything you said are just the words of a psychotic schizo.

>>25243518
>Anon, if this wasn't a discussion worth having, then it wouldn't have been prompted by >>24986018 #. Believe you me, I'm not as invested in this as you think I am. But Aya having wings clearly means a lot to a certain subgroup - maybe you should ask them why they care.

One of /jp/‘s most dedicated autist to his gimmick claims he’s not invested XD Nobody ever believes your shit.

And thus another thread goes to waste because some people believe they know more about canon than the other person. Give it up for the most pointless discussion of eh, two weeks, I suppose.

>>25249857
Name one headcanon I've tried to force onto ZUN's setting. Name literally 1 (one).

>>25250504
Monkey see, monkey do over here. Saying "false equivalence" like you know what it means.
>Exact quotation.
[citation needed], bitch.

>“Kasen just isn't showing this arbitrary time! B-because REASONS, I swear!"
What the fuck kind of secondary logic is this? So if a character isn't on-screen they cease to exist? You're a literal fucking chimp.
>"ZUN explicitly told the artists to draw Kasen!
Equating full characters to body features, aren't we? If Aya can't have wings then we need to start wiping people off Gensokyo? Secondary.
>“ZUN has confirmed his works are canon! W-what, proof? Sh-shut up!"
Are you saying that entire list of characters aren't canon because ZUN never explicitly said they're canon? Secondary.
>"Following the lore of previous canonical works is not real
But ZUN /has/ followed the lore of previous canonical works. Look at how Aya never sprouted wings :)

>Her having wolf ears is less insane secondary logic
Still secondary, secondary.

>[citation needed]
Secondary hasn't played UFO or DS, I see.

>Publisher
>Kadokawa Shoten /
>Comp Ace
Yes, that's a second party, anon.

>lmao imagine telling ZUN every single one of his supplementary works, which contain 90% of the lore, besides the music CDs aren’t canon.
You don't have to imagine, what with tossing all sorts of ZUN works and characters just because they contradict your wing agenda.

>False equivalence.
Nope. Mope.

>psychotic narcissist
>psychotic autist
>garbage narcissist fanboy
>psychotic schizo
I'd like to remind you that you're the one that brought this up. You're the one that upon seeing Aya, can't help but be remainded of trauma years past. This conversation could literally NOT happen without you being as incredibly obsessed as you are. Congrats.

>>25250274
I can't even remember what statement I want you, especifically, to back up. It must have been a real argument-changer if it makes you this butthurt.

>>25250402
>Honestly, I'm more of no-wings ZUN Aya guy
Doubt. There's a reason why I chafe you but the person who actually, objectively and provably (with a V) incited this argument doesn't.

>>25250923
>XD
I have nothing but pure fucking disgust for /v/'s wingshit secondaries.

>>25251214
>Name one headcanon I've tried to force onto ZUN's setting. Name literally 1 (one).

That Aya in ZUN’s art must go by a different set of rules than she does in official art by other canonical works that just happened to be by other artists. As said, no one believes those are different things. You’re the only one retarded enough to care. Even ZUN would think you’re a retard. And then there’s the fat fairies exchange, the artistic liberties exchange, the list is countless, the Momiji has no mouth, no nose, or toes exchange. The better question would be what HAVEN’T you posted that’s headcanon. Your whole argument stems from your arbitrary headcanon that moe’s, mizutaki’s all the other official artwork etc. doesn’t also apply to official artwork in the main games. Of course, that’s not for you to answer since a fat person in denial will always deny that he’s fat!

>>25251233
Thank you, there’s no greater compliment than getting disgust from the wing-autist, the biggest autist on /jp/.

>>25251214
>I can't even remember what statement

And that's how you end with secondaries like you, that clearly haven't played any of the games. Source your shit or get onto the noose

>>25251214
You chafed me because you're knowingly and repeatedly ruining discussion and causing massive discord just to prove a point regardless of opinion, holy fucking shit.
I don't act this destructively insufferable over this little fucking detail and I can't even bring myself to express my opinion if I get to be associated with notorious asshat like you.

>but the person who actually, objectively and provably (with a V) incited this argument doesn't.
I bet 2 cents that was you pretending to be someone else just to incite this monthly shitshow, probably.

>>25251214
>Monkey see, monkey do over here. Saying "false equivalence" like you know what it means.

It’s hilarious when I’m able to get you to refute your own arguments because every single one of your arguments are built on inconsistency and hypocrisy.
You don’t know what false equivalence means.


>[citation needed], bitch.

It was literally your own words lmao. But of course a psychotic schizo such as yourself would have memory problems.

>What the fuck kind of secondary logic is this? So if a character isn't on-screen they cease to exist? You're a literal fucking chimp.

What the fuck kind of secondary logic is this? So if an ability isn't on-screen they cease to exist? You're a literal fucking chimp.

>Equating full characters to body features, aren't we? If Aya can't have wings then we need to start wiping people off Gensokyo? Secondary.

More like your logic that “they’re not drawn by ZUN therefore they don’t exist” is psychotic and schizo just like yourself and both of them exist. Although I like the way you say “if she can’t have wings” as if you were the one to decide that. It really shows just how much of a psychotic narcissist that you are that you think your shitty delusional headcanon is in any way connected to reality. Secondary.

>Are you saying that entire list of characters aren't canon because ZUN never explicitly said they're canon? Secondary.

Are you saying an ability that’s been portrayed in numerousofficial canonical works aren’t canon because ZUN never explicitly said they’re canon? Secondary.

>But ZUN /has/ followed the lore of previous canonical works. Look at how Aya never sprouted wings :)

Because she’s concealing them. Glad you finally agree.

>Still secondary, secondary.

lol so you’re actually confessing that you’re a secondary yourself and even more of one since my post was that it was less secondary than your logic. You just outed yourself, you retarded secondary!

>Secondary hasn't played UFO or DS, I see.

LOL UFO and DS were before GFW. Way to prove how much of a secondary you are! Even then, nope they didn’t prove any of what you said. They do prove that you’re an ignorant secondary though!

>Yes, that's a second party, anon.
lol the schizo has gone so psychotic he thinks he’s above ZUN and calls ZUN second party now. But what can be expected of a psychotic secondary who thinks 12.8 was before 12 and 12.5 and who sees ghosts wanting to leave.

>You don't have to imagine, what with tossing all sorts of ZUN works and characters just because they contradict your wing agenda.

Yup, that’s literally you. Your “only ZUN art matters” logic tosses all sorts of ZUN works and characters out all because they contradict your “she doesn’t have wings” agenda while all the rest of reality needs is “she’s concealing them in ZUN’s art like she’s been shown to do in other official works”

>Nope. Mope

Not an argument

>I'd like to remind you that you're the one that brought this up. You're the one that upon seeing Aya, can't help but be remainded of trauma years past. This conversation could literally NOT happen without you being as incredibly obsessed as you are. Congrats.

I responded to you saying you’re trolling and calling out your garbage reasoning and then you spazzed out on me while making even more insane statements and eventually showed yourself as the autistic schizo that you are. You only have yourself to blame for your severe unchecked autism and narcissism causing you to get called out for your deficiencies. Although of course a narcissist would just blame everything on everyone else. You deserve to be shamed.

>>25251847
Dang son, I didn't know the Touhou Project series of videogames had something to do with your winged tengu autism. It's weird, because I don't remember seeing any tengu with wings in any of the games!

>>25252195
"no u" is not an argument.

>It was literally your own words lmao.
Prove it. FUCKING prove it. You can't? Yeah that's what I thought.

>So if an ability isn't on-screen they cease to exist?
When did Aya wing-change on-screen?
When did Aya get wings? I played all the games and I sure as shit don't remember that happening.

>More like your logic that “they’re not drawn by ZUN therefore they don’t exist”
Equating full characters to body features again, aren't we? Secondary.

>Are you saying an ability that’s been portrayed in numerousofficial canonical works aren’t canon because ZUN never explicitly said they’re canon?
Yes. If they're canon, why are they not in the games? Hirasaka's Cirno wings made it in. They're canon. Why aren't Harukawa and Mizutaki's Aya wings in? Could it be that they're not canon? Secondary.

>Because she’s concealing them.
Nice headcanon, secondary bro.

>lol so you’re actually confessing that you’re a secondary yourself
Projection.

>LOL UFO and DS were before GFW.
But UFO and DS were current during the period of the fairy manga where everyone was fat. Yet those two games don't have fat people. Sorry, for a moment I forgot you were such an illiterate secondary baby that I had to spell everything out to you.

>lol the schizo has gone so psychotic he thinks he’s above ZUN and calls ZUN second party now.
Oh, I didn't know Kadokawa Shoten/Comp Ace was ZUN. Any more nuggets of secondary lore I should know about?

>Your “only ZUN art matters” logic tosses all sorts of ZUN works and characters out
Do you have fun pretending to be retarded?

>Not an argument
Mope.

>You deserve to be shamed.
Oh no, some secondary tourist is saying mean things to me. Whatever shall I do~~
What a fucking faggot.

Also this is a separate thing, but I just want to say I love the way your posts slowly devolved into Reddit spacing. That really ties this whole saga together.

>>25251514
>That Aya in ZUN’s art must go by a different set of rules than she does in official art by other canonical works that just happened to be by other artists.
That is YOUR argument. This is why fat fairies are such a sore point for you. Because you know this argument is weaker than your grasp of Touhou canon.
MY argument is the exact opposite: That Aya goes by the exact same rules as everyone else in respect to conflicting portrayals by different artists. Fairies are not fat, because that was a Hirasaka thing, not a ZUN thing. Tengu are not winged, because that was a Harukawa/Mizutaki thing, not a ZUN thing. Consistent, simple, canon.

>>25252054
>I bet 2 cents that was you pretending to be someone else just to incite this monthly shitshow
Free tip: Shitpost-pretending to be a "reasonable, neutral third party, i swear you guise" does not work when you're so transparently trying to shift blame to the side you don't like. Aya doesn't have wings. I did not bring this matter up. You can either accept it or continue crying. This will be my last (You) to the only person here who's truly being disruptive.

>>25251214
>There's a reason why I chafe you but the person who actually, objectively and provably (with a V) incited this argument doesn't.
because a one sentence, thoughtless, obviously inflammatory post means absolutely nothing unless you take the bait and shit up the entire thread like a neanderthal. that guy probably took 5 seconds to think of and make that post and the idea of ignoring it just never crossed your mind

the guy arguing with you is just as bad for continuing to post walls of text, but the idea that you're somehow blameless for throwing a week-long temper tantrum in response to a literal nothing post would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad. youve completely drowned out any other discussion about the manga because instead of ignoring an obvious shit-stirrer you decided to dedicate a week of your life to this

have fun going back to /vg/ and bragging about how you totally trolled /jp/ again. maybe you can high five with the moralfag. you guys really have your priorities straight.

"I am not to blame, I swear," he says, after spending the better part of the week arguing about something that is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

>>25253526
>This will be my last (You)
Way to out yourself as a filthy /v/ermin.

>>25247661
Wait, did ZUN really draw this? How come it isn't... you know... shit?

>>25253766
/v/ didn't invent (You), newfag

>>25254378
Digital vs traditional, I think someone once said. Basically his style is fine, but working with computer kinda screw it up.

>>25253526
>Aya doesn't have wings. I did not bring this matter up.
I don't care faggot. Stop posting regarding this matter anytime so this shitshow will stop immediately.
I don't care which side it looks like I'm taking. Faggots need to stop arguing over the same shit with the same wall of texts. At least one of you need to fucking relent for this to be over. That is, if this is not a farce flamed by one schizo to both sides to begin with so all I can say schizos should fucking kill themselves.

>to the only person here who's truly being disruptive.
Say someone who can't stop shitting up manga thread by contributing on this petty and fucking stupid argument that's already beaten to death with dozen of painful essay posts.

>>25254485
That wasn't the point.

Wing discussion should be a bannable offense at this point but there's no way mods would care

>>25257789
What other things get /jp/ (or at least a couple dumbass) panties in a bunch?
AFAIK there's "Fortune Teller's death and the nature of Gensokyo", and here we got "Aya's Schrödinger Wings".

>>25258106
There were "Aunn is not a dog" and "Soku is not official game because of some chilean yadda yadda" but I don't know how prevalent these are nowadays
Count out the Fortune Teller and nature of Gensokyo thing, arguing about how ZUN present the story in general is less trivial than arguing over minor art or description detail

>>25258840
True, but it is still rather tiresome and repetitive.
Also someone mentioned something about the sword of Hisou? What was that about?

>>25259323
About its shape and what it's made of? I dunno

>>25258840
i dont know...FT is a very minor one-off character in FS that existed for half a chapter and he brings in moralfag just like wing autist. any discussion about him is just as circular and pointless because people just make bad faith arguments. he existed to die, and died.

>>25253526
>That is YOUR argument. This is why fat fairies are such a sore point for you. Because you know this argument is weaker than your grasp of Touhou canon.
>MY argument is the exact opposite: That Aya goes by the exact same rules as everyone else in respect to conflicting portrayals by different artists. Fairies are not fat, because that was a Hirasaka thing, not a ZUN thing. Tengu are not winged, because that was a Harukawa/Mizutaki thing, not a ZUN thing. Consistent, simple, canon.

Wrong, retard. Aya’s wings in official canon are always the same, regardless of who the artist is, no matter how badly you mental gymnastic and bandaid cope with artstyles. Even then according to you Momiji has no nose, mouth or toes and most of the print and fighting game characters don’t exist so nothing a secondary piece of shit like you says is worth anything.

>>25253526
Dang son, I didn't know the Touhou Project series of videogames had something to do with your winged tengu autism. It's weird, because ZUN knows his works have Aya with wings and that’s it’s canonical and even he would want you to kill yourself. Yet you haven’t yet. Get on it already.

>>25260571
Afaik FT discussion always devolve into whether it's right or not to live under youkai rule. There is no objectively right or wrong answer in this case. For someone who value freedom it's wrong to live in the cattle, for someone who is willing follow the rules it's wrong to break them. It's not like Yukari randomly kidnap innocent people from the village. The issue is related to how people prefer to live and you can easily leave it to each own's preference and moral views.
Meanwhile, what's the purpose in clarifying whether Aya's wings or Aunn's species is canon or not? It doesn't reflect anything meaningful other than right and wrong based on arbitrary definition of "canon" used in dick-measuring contest over detail that bear no significance on the whole thing.
Autism stops being amusing if it's turned into unironic shitflinging that only brings harm.