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They weren't using any, or pictographies at most probably.
Ainu didn't even have a written language.

>>2481501
None, the Japanese were primitive savages until they learned about culture from the superior Chinese.

There was no written language until China introduced it to them.

Ohhh really, thanks guys
and what about the speaking language?
Still (old) Japanese? Or is the Japanese speaking language some sort of old chinese?

>>2481513
>or pictographies at most
But that's what Chinese characters are. Dirty savages.

>>2481501
dont know if troll....
they were chinese before being japs

>>2481522
they were speakng elder japanese languages at the time

chinese is unrelated to japanese.

>>2481530
but what were they speaking then?

>>2481530
yeah, I meant less refined ones.
I remember reading something about inscribed turtle shells and bones, but I can't remember if it was about chinese characters or just random shit.

>>2481536
no I'm not trolling, I know Chinese were before the Japanese but I thought the Japanese and the Koreans were from the same race and that the Han chinese were from a different race.

>No definitive evidence of any native Japanese writing system that predates the introduction of Chinese is known to exist.

Took me all of 5 seconds on Wikipedia.

>>2481539
I can confirm that is about the chinese language

>>2481543
that seems indeed to be more correct

nipponese is btw very distantly related to mongolian and turkish languages

very distantly and it is even disputed

Japan
>stole their land
>stole their writing
>stole their culture

>>2481522
Japanese is not related to Chinese and is some sort of weird moonspeak they created in isolation.

>>2481501
愛

>>2481536
The Ainu weren't

Just for future reference to avoid getting trolled, there is something called "Divine Era Script" which is claimed to be a pre-Chinese kana. However, it's disregarded as a hoax.

Holy shit!

愛 is the same in both languages!

DAWWWWWWWW

Japanese and Koreans are descended from Chinese.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

>>2482580
DNA tell another story

>>2482553

>>2482585
[citation needed]

what I want to know is why the japs and the chinks don't switch to a phonetic alphabet like the koreans. it's 2009 why are they still using a shitty outdated writing system?

hiragana?

>>2482638
up to like 3x faster to recognize and understand (phonetic written language causes us to read slowly, because we have to convert the image of letters to sounds BEFORE the meaning is understood. In Kanji, the meaning and the sound come almost simultaneously, from the visual stimulation)

many homophones might be impossible to understand outside of any context.

>>2482655

>many homophones might be impossible to understand outside of any context.

What about kanji that have multiple and different meanings?

>>2482655
This kanji being easier to read thing is also one of the many reasons japanese is so good for comics. It's quicker to read, so you have more time while engrossed in a visual medium to look at the pictures, it's more compact, so there's more room for the picture.

>>2482655
you can teach yourself to read any language quickly. english has words that can only be determined by context and we get along just fine. besides, when the japs want to type their stupid runes into the computer they have to ente it phonetically anyway. it's also much easier to learn how to read with a phonetic alphabet.

>>2482664
eh, they get by.

Fail for simplified

And the Japanese wrote in classical Chinese before the written Japanese language evolved.

>>2482670
Yes, that's true, you can learn to read English quickly. But it's nowhere near as easy, since it depends on more brain systems. Also, I got all my education out of the way years ago... I'd have gladly spend more time then learning stuff if it gave me some sort of benefit or edge now.

They don't learn kanji just so they can write fancy. It has a substantial benefit, besides just being traditional.

>>2482664
Smaller problem.

>>2482669
the more compact thing is bullshit. look at the character in the op. it's like 12 strokes to write one character. if it was written in english it would be 6 strokes to write the same word. you can fit a lot of english words in a speech bubble too if you used tiny ass font.

>>2482675
>>2482694

Okay, now add multiple readings.

Do you know how hard it is to read sentences written all in hiragana or katakana?

>>2482664
context as always, but the ambiguity is way down with kanji compared to hiragana.
There is some Japanese poetry entirely in hiragana (by women since they weren't getting the education men were getting), and coupled with the timegap and historical differences, sometimes it's hard to say what they wrote about.

And yeah, reading even a modern text entirely in hiragana is a pain. Though part of that is due to no spaces between words.

>>2482706
yeah, and we have to read like that all the time.

>>2482692
if you had spent 12 years learning how to read like the japs do I'm sure you could read like speedy fucking gonzales. the only benefit they gain is myopia from all the squinting at tiny squiggles all day.

>>2482706
do you know how easy it is to read a sentence in english? or even in hangul?

I find sentences with kanji way easier to read fast than only hiragana/katakana. Obviously, if you know the kanji (but there is the set of the ~2000 most used ones).

For the most part you spot the significant words right away, and the rest is largely just the grammar.

>>2482753
that's because hirigana is a shitty phonetic alphabet

>>2482799

>alphabet

oh boy here we go again
kanji is too hard wah wah

I guess all of you fags better get on that Esperanto bandwagon.

>>2482828

Too eurocentric