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>stuffing their stomachs full of sweets

YAY FOR PINATAS!!!!

She did it for the lulz.

Somebody should make a Beatrice/Battler version of this.

Dont get me wrong I love Beato.
Still I want Battler to make her suffer!

Im pretty sure the horned freak was it!

>>2403541
But he already did in ep 4.

>>2403541
I'd impale Beato with my glowing blue spear of truth, if you know what I mean.

>>2403549
Im still reading episode 1
Party at grandfathers room!

Its no good if you know about the witch

I played without knowling, and I shat brix at the end
the laughter echoing together was the best part

everyone else realize that your saves dont work after the eps 4 partial patch?

>>2403584
I noticed that. But I find that unimportant since you can choose chapters anyway. It's only a problem if you installed it when in the middle of ep 3 or something.

I thought Beatrice explained the reason behind the gruesome killings was the increase the fear of the supernatural in the remaining people thereby weaking their anti-magic toxin (although she doesn't spare herself any lulz that come her way). If they all stayed together and remained firmly convcinced there wasn't such a thing as magic Beato wouldn't be able to do a thing.

But in ep3 and onwards she stops murdering them cruelly when Battler yells at her to stop it.

>>2403601
It's things like this which make me consider that Beato probably didn't kill anyone at all. The most she can actually do is alter the crime scene to make it appear that the murders are following the epitaph, as well as leaving the cryptic markings so that people attribute everything to the witch.

That said, the notes in the bottle seem to suggest that there's a different purpose for proving that Beatrice exists to the family and servants, and Beatrice existing to the outside world.

>>2403601
Someone is anti-mystery? On my /jp/?!

>>2403486

man i cant even remember the other deaths after this one since it was like 3 minutes of "pulpy, sticky, gooey, pulpy, pulpy, melty, pulpy, sticky, pulpy"

>>2403678
Delicious isn't it? I seriously had nausea for a moment when I was reading this part for the first time

GOLDSMITH FREEMAN, WHO WAS KINZO'S BROTHER, WAS ONE DAY IN AN ISLAND TYPING ON HIS FURNITURE HE GOT AN EMAIL FROM BATTLER SAYING THAT WITCHES AND DEMONS WERE ATTACKING HIS PLACE AND AKSED HIM FOR HELP

>>2403715
IT'S TIME FOR ME TO LIVE UP TO MY FAMILY NAME AND FACE
FULL
LIFE
CONSEQUENCES

>>2403715
What
>TYPING ON HIS FURNITURE
Let me echo myself
What

GOLDSMITH DROOPED HIS HAT ONTO TEH FLOOR AND RUNNED OUTSIDE, OVER TO HIS FASTER MOTORCYCLE THAT HAD FUEL IN IT THIS TIME. HE DRIVED REALLY FASTER BUT NOT TOO FAST BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO GET A TICKET

>>2403696
Same thing here. That moment was pretty damn disgusting.

>>2403734
>FULL LIFE CONSEQUENCES
This part never fails to crack me up.

>>2403715
Now that you started you have to finish this.

>>2403817
Yeah, he has to face full life consequences.

>>2403798
I demand you continue.

GOLDSMITH JUMPED FAST OFF HIS MOTORCYCLE AND LANDED ON DEAD PEOPLES HANDS.

"USHIROMIYA BATTLER IS NOW THESE HANDS...

I MUST KILL THE NEXT WITCH AND LIVE UP TO FULL-LIFE CONSEQUENCES"

>>2403861
MOAR

FINALLY AFTER HE DRIVED FOR A REALLY LONG TIME GOLDSMITH ARRIVED AT THE MANSION AFTER HE GOT THERE.
MEANWHILE BATTLER WAS WALKING AROUND OUTSIDE.
"HOLY SHITTY" SAYED GOLDSMITH. "YOU'RE ALIVE!"
"YES AND NOW I CAN SLEEP WITH YOU" SAYED BATTLER, HIS FACE HAPPY
"WHAT! I'M NOT GAY" SAYED GOLDSMITH EVEN THO HE KNEW THAT WAS A LIE

THEN BATTLER EXPLODED AND BEATRICE CAME OUT.
"U SUDN'T COME HERE" SHE SAYED

GOLDSMITH WAS SO SCARED HE WET
HIS PANTS BUT HE WOULDN'T LET
BEATRICE SEE THAT HE WAS SCARED.
HE STRUCK A POSE AND LOOKED HERO-LIKE.

"DON'T PUSH YOUR LUCK BEATRICE" HE SAYED TO THE ZOMBIE GOAST. "I'LL KICK YOUR ASS IF YOU TRY SOMETHONG FUNNY"

ROKKENHOLDM
WAS NOTHING NYE

Speculation spoilers from Episode 1, then later 3:

Eva killed Hideyoshi while he was taking a shower. Then she killed herself. What's interesting about dying in a shower is that it shows that you trust your murderer, or that he/she snuck up on you. Both are likely, but considering the closed room situation, it's probably the former.

Looking at the stakes, we can see motive if we believe the "sin" attached to them (specifically, the seven deadly sins) holds significance. Eva died to "lust" while Hideyoshi died to "Gluttony". Gluttony can apply to money: Specifically, gluttony in this situation would be actual gluttony, and not confused with greed, because Hideyoshi had "enough" money with a successful business, even if they needed a little more to get over some financial problems. Therefore, wanting the Ushiromiya money would be gluttony. Lust could be closer to "Love" in this case, or suicide.

Basically, Eva somehow found out in that room that Hideyoshi only was with her for her money. Out of anger, she killed him, then out of sadness, she killed herself. It fits.

There may be some evidence later (chapter 3) where Hideyoshi was apparently a really fucking good husband. However, we know that there was at least ONE situation where Eva was delusional, specifically believing Hideyoshi was a better husband than he was (caring for her). In this case, Eva was sort of using "magic" to deceive only herself, but only in the sense that magic is a form of fantasy.

Hideyoshi wasn't as good of a husband as she thought he was. Of course, this cheapens their relationship entirely, and Hideyoshi being some sort of rich male gold digger isn't too unthinkable.

ZOMBIE GOATS
LEAVE THIS PLACE

>>2404144
That wouldn't surprise me considering how fake Rosa and Maria's happiness was, and they were targets for the second twilight themselves the second time round.

It'd also explain another motive for Eva wanting the money: to keep Hideyoshi and the impression of her 'perfect' family. Without him by her side, she'd be......well, Rosa basically.

>>2404177
I really think we're dealing with more than one murderer here.

I know it's obvious, but sometimes I don't think everyone gets it (specifically, people thinking Beato is Jessica. Come on now.)

>>2404188
There has to be more than one murderer for the sheer amount of work that goes into the first twilights.

That said, I'm not convinced all the murders are planned, or even that that the murderers are necessarily all from the same branch of the family. (it'd be interesting to see Kyrie, Natsuhi and Hideyoshi try to take on the Ushiromiya family themselves)

>>2404215
I had a theory about Kyrie's family being behind the entire thing. Ange was not there as insurance to make sure they could resurrect their dieing family.

>>2404215
I think Team Kinzo could handle the first twilights on their own. It might be that since "magic" works by getting people to believe in it, EP1 was Kinzo's doing all along to "catalyze" the further loops.

Also a very, very interesting fact is that it is indicated that Kinzo can remember past loops.

what's up with the human beato in ep 2? more specifically... why is the painting different?

>>2404227
It's possible.

The first 6 murders are probably done by someone outside the family, and they're probably not the servants, since they all got killed one time. It's got to be the 18th person.

It makes sense, they don't really seem to care WHO they kill, as long as they kill 6. And the "6" is probably more than just a coincidence, it correlates too well with the Twilight.

There can't be that many people aware of the legend of the witch, who also for some reason wouldn't care who they killed.

But since the first real "divide" between chapters is the initial murder of 6 people, the other murders could be anyone. Paranoia, opportunity, really any reason, particularly because it would be difficult for the possible victims to assume that more than one person is doing it, so they'd likely have free reign after one "alibi"

>>2404237

yeah, when he told battler that he had made it to the golden land bofore i was surprised. im guessing the multiverses are blending? that would explain the two bottles with two different outcomes.

>>2404227
I can easily see Natsuhi screwing up the plan in EP1. If she really believes that Kinzo was talking to her, even though he's dead before the meeting, then she's traversed into full on Shion territory. It could also explain why she 'an hero's herself at the end.

>>2404248
No idea, though it stands to reason that human beato is the extra person in each scenario, since someone had to be writing those notes.

That said, who'd be the extra person in EP2 then?

GOLDSMITH SAYED THE SPELL TO BANISH BEATRICE AND SHE GOED BACK INTO TEH PAINTING FOREVER.

THEN HE TURNED TO BATTLER.
"YOU ARE DEAD BRO AND I KILLED TEH EVLI
BOSS" HE SAYED AS A TEAR DROOPED OUT OF
HIS EYE.

AND THEN GOLDSMITH SAW SOMETHING BAD. BATTLER'S GOAST GOT UP OUT OF HIS BODY AND STANDED UP. "GOLDSMITH YOU GOT HERE SLOW
AND NOW I AM ZOMBIE GOAST. YOU WILL PAY"
IT SAYED.

AND THEN GOLDSMITH SAYED NOOOOOOOOOO
BECAUSE HE WASN'T READY TO FACE
FULL
LIFE
CONSEQUENCES

>>2404293
I don't see why it couldn't be human Beato.

She DOES fit the criteria discussed >>2404259 here.

Since she's at the very least impersonating Beatrice, it's easy enough to assume she's at least AWARE of the legend. And while we don't know the motive, it could easily be just to waste the entire family.

I think the big joke is that the story itself hasn't decided to be anti-fantasy or anti-mystery -- you'll notice this is very pronounced in ep4; for every apparantly magic thing that happens around Ange (who is outside of the gameboard therefore everything told from her perspective must be considered 'real'), there is a non-magical explination AND strong hints to a magical explination at the same time. That includes Maria's parts as well. Consider:

Maria and Sakatorou: Other people apparantly speak to Sakatorou via Maria's making pretending to be his voice, which would make it look like an imaginary friend. BUT, later in ep4 Rosa appears to be the meta world, where she is attacked by Maria and Beatrice, right after Sakatorou comes and tries to communicate with her. This takes palce either in Rosa's perspective or a 3rd-person perspective.

Ange and the Stakes late in ep4: Even though it was directly suggested the stakes were imaginary, being unable to attack the bullies, late on Ange, show "true magic", summons the Stakes, who protect Agne and slaughters the gunmen. But the Stakes appeared to be invisible to the gunmen, even though they were falling down dead with brutal wounds. It appeared from Ange's point of view the Stakes were assaulting the gunmen with locus blades, but what's-his-face brought along a sniper rifle, and we can easily explain away the gunmen being killed by invisible enemies as being the work of a hidden sniper with was left as a very real possibility, which would make "true magic" just literally a miracle.

The plot involves clones.
You heard it here first. Kinzo had enough money to do it, especially if the island has more than a mansion (2nd mansion, prison, why not a secret lab?). Also, Nanjo.

>>2404324

There are no more than 17 people on the island in any episode

>>2404338
Clones, in my 1950s?

I think I'll just believe in magic.

You cant commit suicide with a stake gun

It was Genji with his trick knife throwing skills
ricocheting stakes off walls is normal for him

Nanjo, Genji and Kumasawa (Kinzo's supposed-to-be-dead wife) did it
Until they died because of nanomachines

>>2404421

>nanomachines

>>2404404
I don't know how to take the whole "stakes" thing.

I think they're something Battler THINKS he sees, or at least, aren't real.

>>2404404
Why would Genji even need to use knives when he can just vulcan nerve grip everyone to death with little fuss?

Useless bunnies unrelated.

AND THEN GOLDSMITH WAS A ZOMBIE.
HE CRYED BECAUSE HE THUNK THAT HE HAD LOOSED TO THE ZOMBIE GOASTS.
THE OTHER WITCHES AROUND HIM
GOTTED USED TO HIM AND LEFT HIM ALONE,
BUT GOLDSMITH WAS MAD. HE SHOTTED
THE PAINTING AND SAYED AAAAAAAHHH
IN ZOMBIE SPEAK.
THE OTHER GOASTS WERE MAD THAT HE
SHOTTED HIM SO THEY STANDED AROUND HIM
AND SAYED STUFF THAT HAD TO DO WITH HELL
AND STUFF LIEK THAT.

NOOOOOO SAYED GOLDSMITH
YESSSSS SAYED THE GOASTS
NO PLEASE NO I DON'T WANT HELL
SAYED GOLDSMITH. AND THEN GOLDSMITH
WENT TO HELL.

SOMEWHERE KINZO WAS WHEN THEY
CRY TO BECAUSE HIS BRO REALLY WAS
KILL BY WITCHES.

>Useless bunnies
Nyoro~n

Goldsmsith was a real dick for absuing the seista sisters. He got what was comming to him.

2 B CONTINUED IN
UMINEKO NO KOOR NI 2.0:
2WITCHES1PORTRAIT

So whats the deal behind Goldsmith guy

>>2404460
The stakes were already mentioned in red...so they exist for sure.
Anyway, to deny the stakes would be like saying that we can doubt even scenes from the battler POV...and that would be very bad...

Also, eva was found with a stake struck DEEP into her skull, she couldnt have killed herself that way, and even if she could (using a stake launcher or something like that) the weapon would be found at the scene of the crime.

Another problem is that someone for sure used stakes in the subsequent twilights and that someone painted eva's door.

>>2406827

Which stake was in her head? Gaap? I want a stake launcher that launches cute girls too.

>>2406879
I'm pretty sure Gaap can't be used in any of the ritual killings ("gouge the X and kill" plus the second twilight) since she's just a pillar demon instead of having a cardinal sin associated. Like Ronove.

Eva had... Asmodeus, I think?

>>2406897

Wait what? I was making a joke, or at least trying to. I haven't played the games.

>>2406879
Gaap isn't a stake.

>>2406827
When we think of Battler's POV, we have to be careful about what he saw and what he didn't see.

Battler didn't see Eva and Hideyoshi's dead bodies in EP1.